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Wizards at Bucks

Wizards starters: C Andray Blatche, F Antawn Jamison, F Caron Butler, G DeShawn Stevenson, G Antonio Daniels. Bucks: C Andrew Bogut, F Charlie Villanueva, F Richard Jefferson, G Luke Ridnour and G Charlie Bell

Inactive list: Gilbert Arenas, Brendan Haywood and Etan Thomas. Bucks: Michael Redd is out (ankle).

Refs: Monty McCutchen, James Capers, Brian Forte

Notables: The Wizards and Bucks split last year's season series, 2-2...The Bucks beat the Wizards 105-102 (OT) without Redd last Jan. 27...Butler scored a career-high 40 points in that game...Jefferson, a career 47.5 percent shooter, has made only 34.5 percent of his shots in the first four games.

Thomas, who missed practice the last two days with a left ankle injury, is day-to-day. He is with the team but was not able to get through shootaround this morning.

Coach Eddie Jordan on deciding to start Blatche, who played only four minutes in Saturday's loss at Detroit: "I know it's a little bit of a far cry from the minutues he carried in Detroit but it's another opportunity and let's see if he seizes the moment."

More Eddie on Andray: "We want it to sort of jump start him for the remainder of the season. Not just a flash tonight. We want him to give great effort and play his role and carry it to tomorrow's practice and the weekend."

What ticked Jordan off so badly about what he saw from Blatche in Detroit?

Jordan: "For me, it's behavior. That means a lot. If you can give effort, that's number one and if you can behave, that's number two. Do you have great enthusiasm, do you help your teammate, are you communicating the right way? Is your body language positive? Are you giving off positive emotion? Some of those were lacking."


By Ivan Carter  |  November 5, 2008; 7:28 PM ET
 
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hm... AB starting...

interesting, but keep expectations low. even though AB had slightly better games when he started last year, I have no idea what to expect from him now.

Posted by: yukiwith2us | November 5, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Why is Wiz parking Blatche on the 3-pt line?

Man, if you want to park AB on 3-pt line, might as well play OPec!

Posted by: sagaliba | November 5, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

The young guys don't look schooled to me.

Ivan, you’ve been covering the Wiz for a few years. Are you aware of the coaches taking the following steps (or similar) with the younger players:

1. Reviewing game films and pointing out mistakes (versus assigned responsibilities);
2. Having some type of phrase when a player makes a mistake during the game to focus them back on their assigned responsibilities;
3. Teaching players when they make a mistake to recognize it, admit it, learn from it and move on;
4. Rewarding good performance relative to the expectations of the assigned responsibilities.

Hustle ain't enough.

Posted by: Izman | November 5, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

What the hell's going on? Too much partying last night?

I pray that president Obama will take this team under his wing and give the guys some motivational guidance, starting with AB.

Posted by: zengomi | November 5, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Why won't he leave McGee in the game? He was producing...

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | November 5, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

If they lose this game, the blame should go solely on Jordan. As soon as he went back to Stevenson and Daniels, the offense went south and the Bucks regained the momentum. Young and Dixon should have been left in to finish the game.

Posted by: garg8050 | November 5, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

This team will never ever win anything with EJ as the coach. His performance tonight against Milwaukee was one of his worst. Had a big 4th quarter lead and takes out the subs who brought them back and were playing great. Brings in Songalia to play center and takes out Nick Young and that was the end of it. For some reason he will not play Young more than half the game. EJ is the absolute worst. He can't develop young players

Posted by: mschmall625 | November 5, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse


Fire Eddie Jordan. Fire Eddie Jordan!Fire Eddie Jordan!Fire Eddie Jordan!Fire Eddie Jordan!Fire Eddie Jordan!Fire Eddie Jordan!
Fire Eddie Jordan!Fire Eddie Jordan!Fire Eddie Jordan!

Posted by: mschmall625 | November 5, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

As much as i have defended EJ these moves tonite make no sense at all you have the Bucks on the run in third qtr. and then for no good reason you pull NY,JMc,and JD and reinsert AD and DS who can't shoot at all at least not tonite i don't understand his fixation with Songalia who is slow, can't rebound,can't jump and now can't shoot did i leave anything out oh yeah he can't play. The Bucks were beatable tonite but EJ with inexplicable coaching has turned it into a game.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 5, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm watching the game.. man..I tell you what.. Eddie Jordan and wizards are Jokes.

Posted by: skinsMill | November 5, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Huge wiz fan...but the STINK...ej has to go. stevenson is horrible...has always been a sucka in the clutch time...turnovers and that same rainbow prayer 3pt shot...horrible shot selection by jamison though he is great.
Etan thomas is horrible...i would like to blame him for this loss but he didn't play which gave us a chance to win...this team is pathetic. let young play but tell him not to chuck so much...develop javale...and pray for gilbert to come back! this is so frustrating..this team plays dumb...blame ej....horrible substitutions...pathetic....AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: IZZY3 | November 5, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Look at the +/- ratings for the starters and the bench. Yet he's going to continue to play Young less than half the game and throw Jamison, DS, and Daniels out there for 40 min. a night. Great coaching:



Milwaukee 112, Washington 104

Preview - Box Score - Recap



(0-3)
1 2 3 4 OT Total

Washington 17 22 37 22 6 104 Final

Milwaukee 30 15 21 32 14 112 OT




(3-2)


Washington
Starters Min FG 3Pt FT +/- Off Reb Ast TO Stl BS BA PF Pts
D. Stevenson G 35:11 2-8 1-7 1-2 -22 1 4 3 2 2 0 1 1 6
A. Daniels G 20:42 1-5 0-1 1-3 -15 0 1 4 2 3 0 1 0 3
A. Blatche C 22:15 1-2 0-1 3-4 -4 1 6 2 4 0 0 0 3 5
C. Butler F 43:22 9-15 0-1 9-10 -20 1 7 3 5 4 0 1 5 27
A. Jamison F 40:22 6-19 0-3 7-12 -20 4 10 0 0 1 2 0 3 19
Bench Min FG 3Pt FT +/- Off Reb Ast TO Stl BS BA PF Pts
N. Young 24:44 5-13 0-3 4-4 +13 1 3 3 1 0 0 1 1 14
D. Songaila 23:00 3-5 0-0 3-4 +2 0 1 0 3 0 2 1 5 9
J. Dixon 19:31 4-7 1-2 1-1 +12 0 0 4 1 2 0 0 3 10
D. McGuire 13:34 1-1 0-0 0-2 +13 3 6 0 0 0 0 0 2 2
J. McGee 13:28 2-3 0-0 5-9 -3 2 5 0 0 0 1 0 1 9
D. Brown 3:46 0-0 0-0 0-0 -4 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 0
O. Pecherov 3:18 0-0 0-0 0-0 +8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0

Totals


Posted by: mschmall625 | November 5, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

That's the reason why I'm a Wizards fan!

Posted by: larryn703 | November 5, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Darius Songaila -

Total minutes this season - 58
Total rebounds - 4

Nuff said.

Posted by: original_mark | November 5, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I can not believe what I just saw. I want to see you "know who" defend Eddie on this one. We are up 14 points with 7 minutes left and EJ goes "small"....!!!!! Small......!!!?????? The backcourt of NY and Juan was cooking and JM was handling the inside paint.

Eddie decides to sub all three of them and the game went downhill from there.

To top it off, EJ played "smallball" the entire OT.....!!!!??????? Now I know AB was not giving you nothing tonight but McGee was. If this does not totally show Eddie plays favorites, I do not know what does now.

What did McGee do wrong to be taken out of the game other then going for that steal against Bogut. One mistake and he gets "yanked" for Songalia....!!!????

No one to blame here but Eddie on this one. Did you notice Scott Skiles was not afraid to let his rookie play. The rookie was hot and he let him stay in. Why Eddie felt he had to get AD and Stevenson back in because they are starters I do not know....???

This dude needs help badly on his sub calls. And I do not want to hear it about if we hit our free throws we would have won. Yes to a point, but that critical sub call at the 7:00 minute mark to take out Juan, NY and McGee to go to "smallball" lost the game, not the missed free throws.

Posted by: BulletsFever | November 5, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

It's official - we SUCK

Fire Eddie Jordan or tank the season.

I'm done with this crappy team

Posted by: mohammed10 | November 5, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Ivan - Please ask Eddie was the "heck" he was thinking when he took NY, Juan and McGee out at the 7 minute mark to go to smallball.......???? Please I just got to know.

I can not believe this dude played in the NBA.....??? Watching Eddie sometimes is like watching the coach in the Waterboy movie, "no clue"......

Posted by: BulletsFever | November 5, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Look at the stats on 82games.com tomorrow. Stevenson/Daniels will have the worst +/- ratio of any guard combo in the NBA and Young/Dixon will have the best.

Yet, when the lead was evaporating, EJ subbed AB for Song and then McGee for AB, and left DS and AD in the game. He doesn't see the problem Stevenson and Daniels.

Classic case of emotional-laden beliefs making one blind. Sort of reminds me of Kallie.

Posted by: Izman | November 5, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

why does caron always seem to hide late in these games??

Posted by: rfzonadc | November 5, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

what the $%^& was EJ thinkin with 6 mins to go in the 4th quarter, he pulls out the reserve even though they ply well (especially nick young) and put starters in. From that point on, it went down hill. I mean, f the reserves r plyin well, dont pull them out, LET THEM PLY! The momentum is in our way at that time, he sub starters in, and they lost their momentum at that point. Especially, I think at least NY should continued to ply through the rest of the game cause he ply really well, EJ sub DSteve in and he cause us to lose a gm. Also Mcgee ply very well, and he should get more plying time! and bench blatch (4 to in the first half).. EJ SHOULD BE FIRED!!!!!!! what the heck he was thinking!!!!!! This team team suck!!!!!!!

Posted by: forbid | November 5, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

IVAN, DONT TELL ME U R GONNA DEFEND EJ FOR THIS ONE, ILL BE SHOCK IF U DID

Posted by: forbid | November 5, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Every game between these two teams seems to turn into some kind of dogfight.

I believe I said (repeatedly) last summer that Grunfeld overpaid for Stevenson and that would have been better off letting him go and keeping Mason. Haven't seen anything to change my mind.

As usual, Blatche giveth and Blatch taketh away. Makes a couple of baskets or rebounds, then proceeds to whip the ball towards an empty space out of bounds. Twice.

Nice things from McGee, but he's still so raw he's bloody. He's just not strong enough to body up against big NBA Cs (like every other "big" on the team). This team is hanging on by its fingernails. The only question is will they be able to maintain a grip until Arenas returns.

Doubts abound.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 5, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

"And I do not want to hear it about if we hit our free throws we would have won."

So you don't want to hear the truth?

"Yes to a point, but that critical sub call at the 7:00 minute mark to take out Juan, NY and McGee to go to "smallball" lost the game, not the missed free throws"

They missed 17 FTs in an 8 point loss. How is that not losing the game?

As usual, all of the blame gets tossed at the coach's feet while the players get a pass. Or is it Jordan's fault they didn't hit their FTs? The team, collectively, failed at one of the easiest things to do on a basketball court. There's a reason they call them "free" throws.

Did Jordan make some mistakes? Of course. When the team loses, everybody shares the blame, players and coach (no, really, it's true; look it up). Scoring droughts and defensive lapses are going to happen, because those are the things the opposing team can have an effect on, but they have no effect on FT shooting. The whole point of getting to the line is to give yourself easy scoring opportunities. They only did half the job and it cost them the game.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 5, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Did Jordan make some mistakes? Of course. When the team loses, everybody shares the blame, players and coach (no, really, it's true; look it up). Scoring droughts and defensive lapses are going to happen, because those are the things the opposing team can have an effect on, but they have no effect on FT shooting. The whole point of getting to the line is to give yourself easy scoring opportunities. They only did half the job and it cost them the game.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 5, 2008 11:27 PM

I couldnt agree more with you, *BUT* the most glaring incident that caught everyone's eyes (as u can see, almost everybody blame EJ here, and that said something) in the game was that 4th quarter sub with 6 mins to go when we were leading by 14 pts. After that sub, we just went down hill

Posted by: forbid | November 5, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

DS wouldn't have been let go b/c Gilby made it clear that he wanted his boy on the team even though he said beforehand that he wasn't going to play jr. GM, but he eventually did.

This Bucks-Les BouleS game was a stupid game to watch as Les BouleS came out of the gates unprepared and it looked like it was going to be a blowout by the Bucks early.

I actually fell asleep during the end of the 4th quarter and woke up thinking Les BouleS had won, but upon surfing the net, I just found out that Les BouleS lost in OT.

The much ballyhooed Princeton offense resulted in 18 fewer assists compared to the Bucks. Les BouleS even had a huge advantage in FTA.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=281105015

All in all, the game was stupid, and the only thing worth watching was the F'n Bucks cheerleaders that Comcast showed us with many different outfits. I personally liked the black hot pants-tank top outfit the mostestststs....

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 5, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Character, Commitment, Connection? Too bad we don't have 2 more "C"s like a "Center" and a real "Coach". Watching the Wizards these past 2 seasons is like watching a dying animal fighting for its last breathe to live but eventually dies anyway. Just sad and predictable, and definitely not fun to watch.

Posted by: JohnWWW | November 5, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

I thought this new registration process was supposed to screen out people who can't stick to a name. Now, everyday we've got at least 10 new names that have never posted before.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 5, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

And if they'd made 80% their FTs they would have been leading by 20 and the Bucks run would have fallen short of tying the game.

"as u can see, almost everybody blame EJ here, and that said something"

All it says is "business as usual."

Shooting is what cost them the game. In addition to the FTs, they shot 43% from the field and 11% from 3 pt range. Jamison was 6 of 19. Teams are loading up on him defensively and they don't have enough firepower around him to make them pay. Young scored 14 pts, but needed 13 shots to do it. That's not a winning ratio. Even worse, he took 13 shots and only got to the line twice. After making an effort to drive to the basket against Detroit, he fell back into settling for the fadeaway and it hurt them. Not as much as Daniels and Stevesnon chucking 3 for 13 hurt them, but still ...

If not for Caron, they would have gotten blown out.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 5, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

I know its early and the Wiz go through this every year, but Eddie needs to be fired after this game. Why the hell was he relying so much on Songaila??? The man did nothing but foul and make one shot! Mcgee was BALLLLIIINNN!!!! And he yanked him for no reason. And why did he take out a lineup that built a 15 point lead only to watch MeShawn(cause its all about him) chunk brick after brick. I'm calling for an overhaul all together. Start Juan or Dee Brown. AD is old and slow and over dribbles on every possesion. Start Nick over MeShawn. Start Mcgee over Etan. And last but not least, FIRE EDDIE AND HIRE AVERY!!!

Posted by: CBell29 | November 5, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Why does EJ take McGee out with 8 and half minutes to go? Wizards was up 87-74 at the time! Is there a limit on rookie playing time or something? Heck he only played 12 minutes at that juncture!

By the time McGee at less than 2 minutes to go, Wiz has lost all the momentum, and you know the rest!

Posted by: sagaliba | November 5, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Both sides missing FTs, that is not something a coach can control. Player substitution OTOH, is!

Posted by: sagaliba | November 5, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

I know its early and the Wiz go through this every year, but Eddie needs to be fired after this game. Why the hell was he relying so much on Songaila??? The man did nothing but foul and make one shot! Mcgee was BALLLLIIINNN!!!! And he yanked him for no reason. And why did he take out a lineup that built a 15 point lead only to watch MeShawn(cause its all about him) chunk brick after brick. I'm calling for an overhaul all together. Start Juan or Dee Brown. AD is old and slow and over dribbles on every possesion. Start Nick over MeShawn. Start Mcgee over Etan. And last but not least, FIRE EDDIE AND HIRE AVERY!!!

Posted by: CBell29 | November 5, 2008 11:46 PM

No I think start juan wouldnt be a good idea cause hes not a pure PG. daniels isnt a true PG also but he got a better ball handling skill. But i would say bench Dshawn and start NY. Dshawn=trash I also would give blatche another opportunity cause last year he seems to perform well when he starting but if hes not in a couple of gms, then start mcgee instead and try to trade Blatche before his value drop. i dont think blatche gonna realize his potential anyway ( i know some teams gonna take chance and trade for him, and we just might get a good plyer in return), but yeah, im gettin tired of dis team

Posted by: forbid | November 5, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

AD is aging right before our eyes. He's washed up and should be 3rd guard, not starter.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 5, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

"Both sides missing FTs, that is not something a coach can control.

No one said it was.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 6, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

It's clear from the stats:

Young, Dixon, and McGee should get the bulk of the minutes.

Stevenson, Daniels, and (especially)Blatche should be ridin' the pine.

Posted by: breck3957 | November 6, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Eddie Jordan-WAY TO GO, i dont care about free throws because that will change since we have a very good free throw shooting coach, but Darious Songaila is a joke! McGee was killing on the glass and playing gr8, too many times did we have some1 who shouldnt be shooting, putting up shots late. Get Nick young the ball @ the end or give it to Caron Butler, no1 else. Jamison hit the shot to tie but he always fades @ the end, ever since he has got here i do not remember any clutch plays from the guy @ the end of the game, because thats not who he is. In the clutch, go to Caron Butler, its simple as that, liked what i saw from our youth tho and they will get better, started out 0-5 last year, patience is key

Posted by: jstack34 | November 6, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Besides what everyone else has said about how well the team played tonight with NY, JM, and Juan on the floor, I want to throw in props for Dominic McGuire. He isn't an offensive threat, but he makes the defense and rebounding of the entire team TONS better, so the Wiz are much more balanced and effective when he's in. +13 in 13 minutes says a lot.

Yes, the Wiz missed a ton of FTs. But they'd missed all those FTs and still had a 14 point lead late in the 4th when the vets came back in. Jordan lost the game tonight.

Posted by: gocaps2 | November 6, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

"I'm going to put a careful eye on our personnel and what we are doing out there. I think the trend is telling me something. I'm trying to be loyal to NBA vets and the continuity theme but I'm growing very impatient with it." - EJ

I think EJ's admitting his bias toward the likes of AD and DS. His substitutions were terrible tonight, but it's not the first time at all that EJ's subs have made no sense. Blatche, Songalia, AD, and DS all look terrible. I thought JVal had a very positive impact on the game. He reaches a lot of balls with his length and he plays with purpose. Blatche on the other hand is playing like he is smoking blunts before the game - he is digressing not progressing.

I agree that CB does seem to disappear at the end of games very often and AJ needs to be reminded what a good shot looks like as well.

Me thinks it's going to be a long losing season with no money to pay a high draft pick! Curse Les Boulez!

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 6, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

look on the bright side.....there are only 79 more games for them to lose

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 6, 2008 3:08 AM | Report abuse

I think that from what EJ said after the game there will be some changes... Young and Dixon have been our best guards and deserve a chance to start. McGee produced 9 and 5 in 13 minutes and we ought to see if he can sustain that productivity for 28 minutes. It really is time to concede that the years have finally taken their toll on AD... Blatche, well, words fail me...

I do hope Eddie can be flexible, it really is pretty clear who is producing and who is not. And if we do not surround AJ and CB with some players who can score and thus draw some defensive respect, they are going to get pounded night in and night out, and may be too worn out to be productive when Gil returns at last.

Posted by: khrabb | November 6, 2008 5:49 AM | Report abuse

As much as I've been puzzled by EJ's substitution patterns over the years and railed against him, I'm actually gonna go the other way and give EJ a pass on this one.
There are lots of times during a season when you can blame an individual player for a loss. In most cases, that player isn't always able to go out the next game and redeem himself. As a coach, EJ has a chance to make things right by switching up and fixing his sub patterns I'm hopeful that he'll do that. Postgame comments indicating change are a good sign. I'm hoping it's the change we need. Yes we can.

Posted by: original_mark | November 6, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

I can't leave without mentioning Songaila again. He misses layups, gets his shot blocked inside, gets pushed around, etc. I just don't see what EJ sees in him. We know what he's going to give us. Why do we keep trotting him out there? It reminds me of the days when we put Ennis Whatley out there to start against Isaiah Thomas. He's completely overmatched against...everyone.
We still have an unknown in Pech. Even if Pech winds up stinking up the joint, at least we should get a chance to find that out. Darius Songaila should NEVER get off the bench. He's smart, he's a decent jump shooter, he's a D leaguer.

Posted by: original_mark | November 6, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Original_Mark - We usually agree but I am going to have to disagree with you on Songalia. Songalia is a legit NBA player who happens to excel when he is playing the "4" spot with the second unit, and not the "5" SPOT WITH THE STARTING UNIT...

Again that is not Songalia's fault Eddie keeps playing him there. If my coach told me to go out and play a position that is not my strongest, I am going to go out there and do the best I can do with it.

Eddie keeps putting Songalia at a disadvantage and then it makes it look like Songalia is the problem. If Eddie ever figures out to bring out AB at the "5" and Songalia at the "4" with the SECOND UNIT, we would have better balance on the floor.

McGee has clearly shown he can play with the starting unit and not hurt them. I still do not see what the Wiz see in Dee Brown (two to three turnovers while he was in there). AD has clearly lost anything left he had from last year. He is a liability on both sides of the floor now.

New Starting 5 2nd Unit

McGee - 5 AB - 5
Jamison - 4 Songalia - 4
CB - 3 DM - 3
NY - 2 Dixon - 2
Stevenson - 1 Brown/AD??? - 1


Posted by: BulletsFever | November 6, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

I think EJs post game comments indicate that we are very likely to see a NY start very soon.

Posted by: lindaloulubbock | November 6, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Sorry my post got cut off

Starting 5

McGee - 5
AJ - 4
CB - 3
NY - 2
Stevenson -1

Second Unit

AB - 5
Songalia - 4
DMac - 3
Dixon - 2
Brown/AD??? - 1

Posted by: BulletsFever | November 6, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

BF, Last night I saw Songaila come in at the PF spot when AJ went out and I immediately saw a blocked layup and no rebounds (one great pass to a cutter, though). The small ball thing where DSong played C DID happen later, though.
I agree that it's not his fault that EJ continues to play him out of position but I don't even see much production even when he's playing PF.

I think the other thing that rankles me (and I may be taking it out on Songaila) is that we have a younger bigger guy sitting on the bench who is a question mark (at least in my eyes). Why not play Pech at the C position just to see what he can do? He may well be a bum but we oughtta find out for sure. With Etan out and nothing to back him up but a rookie (JM) and a foul prone young guy (AB) and playing against a team with their star player out, when is gonna be the right time to test Pech? The time don't get no righter than last night. If this is the way we are planning to use him, why even pick up his option?
I'm betting that EG talks to EJ at some point and reminds him that they just put out some money for Pech and 'encourages' him to play him.

Posted by: original_mark | November 6, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

It's time for NY to start. He's been bringing the ball upcourt and doing a credible job of it and he is actually playing a little defense these days. That fadeaway of his is unstoppable. This oughtta put more offense in the starting lineup and take some of the pressure off CB and AJ.
BTW, no one has mentioned the job McGuire did last night off the bench. He was a beast on the boards and even though there were some bogus calls against him (because of Richard Jefferson's status) I thought he played respectable defense.
Finally, we're seeing that Jm can play although his skill set is limited. Sems like the ball bounces the other way whenever he's under the hoop. He hasn't gotten get too many opportunities for rebounds. I guess it's not the ball's job to come to him, though. :)
He may just not be able to anticipate where the ball is going yet like the good ones can. Still he's an upgrade over Songaila and Etan IMO.

Posted by: original_mark | November 6, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

"As much as I've been puzzled by EJ's substitution patterns over the years and railed against him, I'm actually gonna go the other way and give EJ a pass on this one."

Ok I've absolutely killed Jordan on this blog in the past, but not anymore.

You absolutely cannot have the turnover the Wiz do every year and expect them to be able to compete. Every year the Wiz have a different bench, they let go guys they should re-sign and sign guys they shouldn't.

Roger Mason had 26 points, 4 rebs, 2 assists, 2-4 from 3, and 6-6 ft's. Good for Roger, he deserves the respect he's getting on a championship caliber team that he did not get here.

I'm sorry but Ernie Grunfeld has made some good trades here, but he has also made some huge mistakes. The biggest was signing Arenas to that horrid contract.

How is this team better then last year's squad that got bounced in the first round? It's not.

Jamison cannot play back to back nights and be effective, Stevenson had a career year last year, there's no center, and the ONLY one that seems to be trying is Caron. Your 6th man is now your starting point guard, most of your bench is 1st and 2nd year players, and the biggest FA signing is some bum that played overseas last year and nobody else wanted.

Oh, and the guy you just paid a "discount" of over 100 mil has had knee issues the last two years and can't get on the court.

I can't be the only one on here who sees this, the roster is a mess. Anyway I feel bad for Jordan, a complete 180 from years past.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | November 6, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Ray - To me the only mistake EG made so far as GM was matching the Buck's offer to Etan 5 or 6 years ago. Other then that he has given Eddie "PLENTY" to work with.

To Eddie's defense the injury bug has hit him hard, however that is when the "great" coach's earn there keep. Eddie's refusal to play the young guys has cost us two games (Nets and Bucks) so far.

Stevenson only plays well as a 4th option not a 2nd or 3rd. AD never had a jumper, but he was always able to get to the basket and play decent perimeter defense. Time looks like it has caught up with him and he can no longer do any of the above mentioned things therefore he should not be starting anymore.

Etan as we have discussed is a good guy who we all would like to see succeed, but we all know he is not a starting center in the NBA.

Which brings me to my point, Eddie has McGee to replace Etan, he has NY to replace Stevenson and he does not have a true point guard to replace AD so it would have to be Juan Dixon and/or Dee Brown. 2 out of 3 isn't bad.

These are all Eddie's calls until Gil and Haywood get back. Now people are starting see how vaulable these two guys really are. Eddie has to work on the fly now. He has to be more creative and stop worrying about "hurting the vet's" feelings and put the best 5 out on the floor.

Posted by: BulletsFever | November 6, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

This one of the worst coached games I have ever seen. I think everyone noticed the same thing. The lead completely evaporated when EFJ decided it was time to put in his vets. DeBrick and AD pose no consistent offensive threat what so ever so the opposing teams backcourt plays way off of those guys creating double teams on CB and AJ. Before you know it we are down by a dozen or more. The thing that bothers me most about EJ is that he never takes the blame for his team’s poor performances. You hear a lot of other coaches saying things like, “the team didn’t perform well today or wasn’t motivated to play and that my fault.” Eddie always blames someone else. He use to blame BTH as an excuse to play Etan and Ruffin. Now he has a problem with AB and is using that as justification for playing DSong so many minutes even though he has been extremely ineffective at center. EG needs to Eddie proof this roster before it’s too late.

Posted by: dhbond | November 6, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

The bottom line is player's are playing out of their projected roles. It's a ripple effect throughout the roster. DS as a 4th option with open three's and players running at him is effective. Songalia as the 5th or 6th option at the 4 spot hitting open mid range jumpers, making nice passes, and playing solid fundamentally is his strength. AD does seem to have lost a step thus far and is not a starting PG and never has been.

Coaching is at a premium now for this team and I've never thought EJ is an elite coach whatsoever. Not even close. Check his career winning percentage. Last night he simply had to keep Dixon, JVal, and NY in the game for about 2/3 more minutes in the 4th and the game would have been ours. I saw no signs of fatigue nor any other reason to pull them. You COACH to win games not to smooth some average vets egos. Hence, he is a losing coach!!! He has no clue how to develop a team meaning bringing the young talent along. NO CLUE!

If I were coach, JVal would already have his minutes doubled to at least 25 a game. Whoever talked about the ball missing him on rebounds, he had 9 pts and 5 rbs in 13 minutes. That's 18 and 10 in just 25 mins, which tells you how effective he played last night. And if you watched the game he deflected and had his hands on many more balls that were WAY out of most people's reach. He will eventually be a rebounding machine.

I would also have DS starting, but on a VERY short leash. NY should get equal if not more overall minutes than DS depending on the game.

I might try starting Dixon at PG as well to see how it goes.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 6, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

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