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76ers 109, Wizards 103


Interim coach Ed Tapscott summarized the team's latest defeat and fourth quarter breakdown this way: "Hard work is not a question, execution is."

Specifically, Andray Blatche took and missed a pair of long jumpers and DeShawn Stevenson missed a three-pointer with the outcome still in doubt. Blatche, who played well and finished with 13 points and eight rebounds, took eight fourth quarter shots. Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison combined to take five.

Huh?

The Wizards have now lost 11 games in which they were tied or held a lead in the fourth quarter.



By Ivan Carter  |  December 19, 2008; 10:57 PM ET
 
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they looked a little better tonight, albeit against a weak opponent. Consistency seemed the major problem. Young actually played well for a bit, then disappeared. James was wicked for awhile, then gone. They drove to the basket for awhile, then didn't.

a little encouraging anyway...


Posted by: stevie2 | December 19, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Once again, bad coaching cost us the game. 8 point lead and the big Mo is on our side in the middle of the 3rd quarter and tapscott goes to "slow small ball" with Song. at the 5......???? Game over.....

Juan and NY had it going but really got no run. Once again Stevenson gets the major minutes near the end of the game and guess what he tanks it as usual.

McGee can see see no real time. Also did not play DMac hardly any in the 2nd half.

Songalia and Stevenson are taking away vaulable minutes from McGee and NY. This dude is worst then Eddie J'.

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 19, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Izman,
I am happy to see Blatche playing better, I had written him off. However, just because he can now seemingly get up and down the court does not mean he is in the shape he should be. He is crazy soft for a professional athlete and I believe Ivan wrote previously about him being the weakest person on the squad pound for pound. He has a lot more work to put in before I would say he is in shape.

Again though, progress very encouraging, conditioning is better and strength can be increased with more work in the gym.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | December 19, 2008 10:51 PM

First of all where did that nonsense come from about AB being out of shape??? You guessed it, Eddie J' the number 1 hater of AB in America. Then you have Ivan throw that in a blog and it is suddenly the gospel.

Ivan clearly liked Eddie J' and he said so himself when he got fired, so anything Eddie J told Ivan he was going to believe it and write it.

Eddie J' was just using that out of shape thing for an excuse to keep messing with AB just like Tapscott now does with McGee.

You can clearly see with "CONSISTENT MINUTES" given to AB he is producing. The reason why it looks like he is not tired is because he is not and never was.

Eddie J' had to have something to use to ping on AB. The only good out of Tapscott taking over is he believes in AB. Other then that, the dude calls games worse then Eddie J'; and I never thought anybody could be worse at calling sub's then Eddie J.

FIRE TAPSCOTT!!!!!!!

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 19, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Caps tomorrow 1pm.

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 19, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison combined to take five.

Huh?

By Ivan Carter | December 19, 2008; 10:57 PM ET
Previous: Wizards (4-19) vs. 76ers (11-14) |

Ivan - What there to "huh" about. AJ and CB are playing almost 40 minutes a game because Tapscott has this stupid notion that he has to have at least one of them on the floor AT ALL TIMES.

First of all, they are not Michael Jordan or Scottie Pippen. Second of all, they are clearly gased coming into the last 5 minutes of the 4th quarter because Tapscott has run them into the ground.

Why do you think CB starts to make stupid turnovers once he gets trapped? Why do you think AJ's jumper's start falling short? Why do you think they can not get anymore rebounds.

Maybe because AJ and CB are trying to get rebounds when Tapscott decides to play stupid "slow small ball" and that burns out their energy in the 3rd and 4th trying to get rebounds that Song. at the 5 can not.

The list goes on and on. So please tell me how is there a "huh" in this...??? You clearly have a coach who does not know how to call rotations and like I said before; even worse then Eddie J' at calling games and I thought that was impossible to do.....!!!!!

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 19, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Anybody ever heard of a guy name Devin Harris?

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=281219017

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 19, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or is Butler loosing his killer instinct? Most glaringly in the last few games, he hasn't been really that assertive at times when he would have been early in the season.

I hate to question CB's fire but in a close game, he should be demanding the ball instead of deferring to a injured AJ.

Posted by: yukiwith2us | December 19, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Caps tomorrow 1pm.

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 19, 2008 11:25 PM

hell's yeah! I wish more people gave hockey a chance. it really is a great sport, and the Caps have the best player in the world and are a really fun team to watch (and the coach is a character!)

tomorrow should be a really great battle, a re-match of the playoffs last year. man I hate Philthy, especially the Phlyers!

Posted by: sargeantmofo | December 19, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Anybody ever heard of a guy name Devin Harris?

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=281219017

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 19, 2008 11:32 PM

Sigh...

Hindsight... Spilled milk... whatever analogy you want to use is applicable there...

Posted by: yukiwith2us | December 19, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

they looked a little better tonight, albeit against a weak opponent. Consistency seemed the major problem. Young actually played well for a bit, then disappeared. James was wicked for awhile, then gone. They drove to the basket for awhile, then didn't.

a little encouraging anyway...


Posted by: stevie2 | December 19, 2008 11:13 PM

Stevie2 - No disrespect my man, but what game were you looking at????? Yes the players played better, but once again inferior coaching lost this game like Eddie J' lost 4 before he was fired.

The coaching is still terriable. Playing Song. at the 5 when we had a 8 point lead and MO in our favor was just plain stupid.

Then to make it worse, just like Eddie J' coaching, instead of changing your lineup after you only have a 4 point lead you still stick with it???????

WOW......... TALK ABOUT IDIOT COACHING.....

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 19, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

btw, if I were Eddie Tapscott, I'd probably quit while I'm not too far behind and hand the reigns over to Randy Ayers. Tapscott's b-ball rep could become tarnished by this awful team...

Posted by: sargeantmofo | December 19, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or is Butler loosing his killer instinct? Most glaringly in the last few games, he hasn't been really that assertive at times when he would have been early in the season.

I hate to question CB's fire but in a close game, he should be demanding the ball instead of deferring to a injured AJ.

Posted by: yukiwith2us | December 19, 2008 11:32 PM

yukiwith2us - CB is taxed out from all of the minutes. Tapscott is running him and AJ into the ground. Poor minutes per game management. IDIOT COACHING....

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 19, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

FIRE TAPSCOTT!!!!!!!!

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 19, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Looks to me like the Sixers play better without Elton Brand.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 19, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

FIRE TAPSCOTT

HE CAN NOT COACH!!!!

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 19, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Ivan,

I hope you're not insinuating it was Blatche's fault on those late shots he took.

1. Don't forget that he made 4 of the last 5 fgs made in the fourth quarter

2. On his second jumper Mike James kicked the ball out to him off the drive with little time left on the shot clock to run another play. It was a bad decision by Mike James.

Posted by: Oz99 | December 19, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Ivan,

The poor execution Tapscott was talking about was not the 2 shots Andray missed. It was the repeated turnovers, several of which were committed by Butler and Jamison.

It's a little ridiculous to single out Blatche for that game. Butler through the ball into the stands for god's sake.

Posted by: what5 | December 20, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

This is Ernie's mess. Fire Ernie Grunfeld. Fire Ernie.

Posted by: SteveC28 | December 20, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

I did not see tonights game but I did catch ETaps comments after the game. He indicated that the team had to learn to drive the ball because to many jumpshots were being taken. So from this point forward, they would be driving the ball to the hoop until this lesson was learned.

Let me identify myself, this is LARRYINCLINTONMD, when I heard this I nearly fell off my leather coach. No, he, didn't. All at once, I'm floored, cause what does that mean?

Cut to the Chase, what that means is, to effectively drive to the hoop, to go inside out, to get fouls, and not shoot a ton of jump shots, you mit' jus' hav' ta' be, Runnin' tha' Ball.

Hello, you can't effectively go to hoop i.e. inside, playing slow ball, you have to Uptempo so that you have lanes to go inside and if you don't have the inside advantage you kick it out. Glory be, the best of both worlds. Drive/Push the ball to the hoop and if you don't have the basket, kick the ball back out for a shot or to set up half court offense.

My Blog that I complained about that got held essentially explained this philosophy in why the Wizs needed to Run and Gun.

Did Etaps realize that tonight when he made those comments? I Damn sure hope so. Cause if they should start to Run and Gun as the main philosophy to get inside first and then kick if nothing is there, everything is gonna' ta' start ta' look better. Come on ETaps', Let your comments ring true.

Hot Diggity Dog!! LarryInClintonMD!!

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 20, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Hot Diggity Dog!! LarryInClintonMD!!

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 20, 2008 12:08 AM

O'DOYLE RULES!!

Posted by: yukiwith2us | December 20, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

I think the comments about AB are more directed towards CB and AJ for not going out there and WINNING a game for their team.

The captains shouldn't allow the ball to be in AB's hands with >8 sec on shot clock in a close game down the stretch.

Posted by: yukiwith2us | December 20, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Ivan,
January is fast approaching...can we get an update on Gil? The silence is deafening.

Starting to fear come January the Wiz will come out and say we all knew he was not coming back till March. Has the return timetable been adjusted down with the team all but eliminated from playoff contention?...sounds crazy to say that 25 games into the season but..

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | December 20, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

8) I have never seen Haywood rated as a top 20 center in the league, and I've seen over 20 ratings over the years.
Posted by: Izman | December 19, 2008 2:12 PM
") I have never seen Haywood rated as a top 20 center in the league, and I've seen over 20 ratings over the years."

I do not know who to rightly address these stats to concerning Haywood.

I bring them forward for I feel inclined to address the matter in reference to a fine NBA center.

I am not one to quote stats but I do know a thing or two about stats. Stats are imoportant, I wholly agree.

However, as my Daddy use to say, "Son, in Basketball, the measurement of stats can tell you a whole lot, but they will never give you complete result."

Simply put, the stats about Haywood do not and I repeat "Do Not" indicate his entire value and effectiveness to the Wizards team.

In All Due Respect, LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 20, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

BulletsFever said:
"Once again, bad coaching cost us the game."

I bet you're the kind of person who did poorly in school and blamed it on your teachers.

Posted by: IrenePollin | December 20, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

I have asked this before. Who is IrenePollin?

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 20, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

I thought that the key play wasn't when Blatche missed his perimeter jump shot towards the end - it was a few seconds before that, when an open Blatche cut to the hoop down the middle, and Mike James ignored him and instead dished to the right perimeter. They don't understand what a high-percentage shot is anymore, and they don't understand why you need to get to the hoop. Caron Butler has become especially disappointing in this regard.. I remember when he could freeze a defender and get inside at will. He doesn't play with confidence anymore.

Posted by: satchmore | December 20, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Tell us what's happening with Gill. That would be news. This pitiful play, coaching, management and ownership is turning this town away from the NBA.

I complained about Eddie Jordan, but Ed Tapscott is no better. I always heard Ernie Grunfeld was a great GM, but in reality he has not shown that to be true. Either we are not getting the most out of our talent or we have the wrong talent. The woe that the franchise is experiencing starts at the top.

Recruit John Thompson, Sr. for the coach and whatever else he needs to turn this sad franchise around.

Posted by: zbopjazz | December 20, 2008 5:49 AM | Report abuse

Nice job pinning this loss on Blatche, Ivan.
What is your deal? Why are you on a campaign to smear Blatche? Did your boy Eddie Jordan ask you to do it? Your agenda sometimes is so transparent.
Oz99's and BulletsFever's points above are correct. The top of the key jumper may have been a bad shot, but he had to take the shot on the wing because James dribbled down the shot clock (probably waiting for Butler and Jamison to be open).
By the way, Blatche has the best +/- number on the team (other than Pech in limited minutes). So, obviously, Blatche is what is wrong with this team, right Ivan? Maybe you should embark on a campaign against some other player.

Posted by: disgruntledfan | December 20, 2008 7:16 AM | Report abuse

IrenePollin is Kalarama.

Larry, by a rating, I mean people's opinion of a person's performance. Haywood crashed the top 20 centers in the NBA after a career year last year. Not much to write home about. Certainly, he can't run and gun.

Finally, I predicted that Ivan would pin the loss on Blatche's miss. Ivan's eyes are clouded. He needs a change.

Posted by: Izman | December 20, 2008 7:19 AM | Report abuse

With this squad, and the contracts for Jameson and Arenas, this team is stuck for the next 4 years or more (Or extend Pesherov who never gets off the bench?). EG put us in this mess and unless he can pull a Donnie Walsh and move both of them in the next year to 2, this team will continue to be a mess. A healthy Haywood only lessens the fiasco.

How EG keeps his job is an unknown, short of AP's health issues that may cloud his judgment.

Posted by: rocky123 | December 20, 2008 7:23 AM | Report abuse

By the way, I had dismissed Ivan's previous report that Wes Unseld Jr. was a possibility as the next Wizards head coach. But last night, Buckhantz went on and on about the guy, and you know how Buck and Phil are company men who will tout the company line whenever asked. So maybe there is something to it, as insane as it might be. Ugh.

Posted by: disgruntledfan | December 20, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Caps tomorrow 1pm.

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 19, 2008 11:25 PM

TOTALLY!! :D Once the Skin's season is over, everyone will jump on the Caps bandwagon cause theres no other choice, Wiz suck and it's not even worth anyone's time to keep paying attention to them. Pay attention to the only winning team in DC!! C-A-P-S CAPS CAPS CAPS!! :D

Posted by: rachel216 | December 20, 2008 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Bad teams score a few upsets by playing defense and being aggressive. Defense has actually regressed under Tapscott. He's not the answer.
Jameson is a honorable human being but an incomplete, aging basketball player--a soft, jump shooting "power" forward.
Arenas's knee injury appears to be far worse than advertised. We'll likely never see the old Gilbert.
Etan, Blatche, Dixon, Stevenson,James would be garbage time players on good teams.
Butler is a talented pro. Nick Young may have potential if his work ethic improves. And the big rookie has some skills. Thats' about all the encouragement you can draw from this dreadful start.
Unfortunately, it may be time to blow this up and start over. This edition of the Wiz may have run its course.

Posted by: WMDHoops | December 20, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Too many careless turnovers which turned into easy points by the Sixes. Too many jump shots and not enough working the ball for a higher percentage shot. AB played very well, had some tough rebounds and is playing out of position. DS needs to sit. Start Mike James and Juan. Bring DS off the bench with NY.

Posted by: bailey5 | December 20, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Tapscott will continue to ride the vets 35-plus minutes game after game after game. We'll have no idea if the kids can play or not, because Tapscott deludes himself that the vets can get it done, despite all evidence to the contrary. I don't watch this team anymore. I TiVO the game, then look at the box score for the minutes McGuire, McGee, Young and Crittenton get. If they play sparingly (which is pretty much every game), and Stevenson, James, Jamison, etc. get big minutes, I don't watch it. There's no other reason to watch.

This team is cooked. Season over. Get the young'uns PT. Sit the vets -- make them the backups. That's where they deserve to be after "leading" this team to a 4-20 record.

Posted by: keithward64 | December 20, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Bulletsfever,

You certainly have some sort of fever. Don't need 10 posts about "fire Tap"!

I railed with the best of them about Songaila and "smallball" bc it DID costs us games previously with no rim protection and poor rebounding. If you watched the game objectively, Songalia playing center in the third DID not cost us the game. We lost the lead bc we went into a scoring draught for 4 straight minutes and Philly started hitting every shot from the WINGS for a few! Also, 7 turnovers in the 4th was the final dagger. The game was not really lost the final couple minutes. We just could not pull out a miracle finish.

McGee played poorly again with the 7/8 minutes he got. Out of position, lost on defense, bogs down the offense. NY played well at first and then disappeared.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 20, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Philly is the 5th worst 3 pt shooting team in the NBA. Against the Wiz they shot 43% from 3. Same story, different day.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 20, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

The Sixers sure run better when Elton isn't playing. Despite Mo Cheeks' insistence that it was solely his fault (Cheeks was being interviewed in his new digs beneath the number 39 SEPTA bus), the team clearly doesn't know how to play helter-skelter while Big El is fastened to the low post. Even the rookie Speights was an improvement -- he comes from the Billy Donovan open court school.

It's a dilemma for NBA clubs that make their bones running their young kangaroo-types up and down the court during the regular season -- they often get creamed in the playoffs by some walk-it-up bunch of old guys. Imagine what D'Antoni is facing should the Knicks get into the post-season -- Eddy Curry? That would scare any coach.

Then it occurred to me that if Gilbert does come back healthy and ready to play (always a question, based on what we saw last year), the Wiz could improve fast. Their big problem being they don't play together for long stretches during most games. Just look out on the court at the beginning of a play and tell me who's in charge out there -- I dare ya. The return of a real live point guard would fix that and quick.

In today's NBA, if your team spends half of every game trying to figure out who's supposed to have the ball and where, you're going to lose a lot of games in the fourth quarter.

Sound familiar? Eleven times so far this season, our hosts tell us.

That doesn't happen because your 7 foot center happens to be out with a boo-boo. It happens because nobody's out there to settle the team down and get them into the offensive or defensive sets.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 20, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I have it figured out.
I watched most of the games this season and know why we are 4-20.

The other teams that we play all have BETTER players.

It's not coaching or execution.

We ain't no good.

Posted by: VBFan | December 20, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The Wizards have now lost 11 games in which they were tied or held a lead in the fourth quarter.

-Ivan
-------------------------
thats a team that can't close out games

Posted by: rachel216 | December 20, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Tapscott will continue to ride the vets 35-plus minutes game after game after game. We'll have no idea if the kids can play or not, because Tapscott deludes himself that the vets can get it done, despite all evidence to the contrary. I don't watch this team anymore. I TiVO the game, then look at the box score for the minutes McGuire, McGee, Young and Crittenton get. If they play sparingly (which is pretty much every game), and Stevenson, James, Jamison, etc. get big minutes, I don't watch it. There's no other reason to watch.

This team is cooked. Season over. Get the young'uns PT. Sit the vets -- make them the backups. That's where they deserve to be after "leading" this team to a 4-20 record.

Posted by: keithward64 | December 20, 2008 8:49 AM


I'm starting to do the same thing. For years I've never missed a game, I watch every minute, and sometimes watch the game 2 or 3 times even. But the past couple I'm just like I don't even care. I was out doing shopping last night and knew the game was starting and was like I am not even pressed, and I missed the 1st quarter. There is nothing to see. They're gonna lose. And as much as I like Caron he's not that exciting to watch with his workman bluecollar game. Otherwise who cares about watching Jamison jack 3s, or Songaila, or Stevenson. I like watching Dixon, and the young players, but they usually don't play.

With them losing like this, losing confidence and effort, who wants to see this!?!? With no Arenas and not playing the young guys I am losing desire to even watch the games anymore.

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 20, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

vbfan wrote: "I have it figured out.
I watched most of the games this season and know why we are 4-20. The other teams that we play all have BETTER players. It's not coaching or execution. We ain't no good."

You have my complete sympathy for having watched those freaking games, but hey, I do think Tapscott's right -- it's execution.

Talent-wise, this team is better than it looks. Far from great, but not a total embarrassment. I'm thinking that even without Arenas and Haywood, they're about on a par with the Sixers, Bucks, Knicks, Nets, and Raptors -- and ahead of the Heat, for instance.

They're not anywhere near the East's Big Two, of course, and they should probably lose three out of five to the struggling Pistons, but they should be winning some of these games that currently, they aren't.

I don't think it's coaching, though.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 20, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

You're right Ivan. If it weren't for the disappointing Andray Blatche and his shot-jacking, the Wiz would be 4-21.

Posted by: TheFunBunch | December 20, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Chins up Wizard Fans, according to ETaps we gonna be taking the ball to the hoop now.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 20, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"Blatche, who played well and finished with 13 points and eight rebounds, took eight fourth quarter shots. Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison combined to take five.

Huh?

By Ivan Carter"

At 10:13 left in the 4th quarter, Mike James hits a 3-point shot.

At 00:13 left in the 4th quarter, Antawn Jamison makes a 2-point layup.

Andray Blatche made every other Wizards field goal in between those two FGs (4 of them, on 7 shots). He also had 3 rebounds, including 1 offensive. Meanwhile, Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison combined for 4 turnovers in those 10 minutes.

If it wasn't for Andray Blatche, this game would have been a blow out down the stretch. He single-handedly kept the Wizards in the game.

Posted by: psps23 | December 20, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Please terminate the Desuck Stevenson experiment effective immediately as it is a hindrance to the team. Thank you for your attention

http://www.wizardsextreme.com

Posted by: WizardsExtreme | December 20, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

They say that insanity is knowing that what you're doing isn't working, but continuing to do it again and again anyway. By that definition, Deshawn Stevenson is a madman.

How many Wizards fans groaned every time they saw him release the ball from outside? I know I did.

Posted by: satchmore | December 20, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Bulletsfever,

You certainly have some sort of fever. Don't need 10 posts about "fire Tap"!

I railed with the best of them about Songaila and "smallball" bc it DID costs us games previously with no rim protection and poor rebounding. If you watched the game objectively, Songalia playing center in the third DID not cost us the game. We lost the lead bc we went into a scoring draught for 4 straight minutes and Philly started hitting every shot from the WINGS for a few! Also, 7 turnovers in the 4th was the final dagger. The game was not really lost the final couple minutes. We just could not pull out a miracle finish.

McGee played poorly again with the 7/8 minutes he got. Out of position, lost on defense, bogs down the offense. NY played well at first and then disappeared.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 20, 2008 9:47 AM

rphilli721 - Yep, I got the fever. You are right I don't need 10 posts about fire Tapscott. I NEED 100!!!!

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 20, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Ouch, the fact that they're not even activating Pecherov means they don't think he can give them any quality minutes at all.

Yeah, he was a project and a selection made during a weak draft year. But the fact that they can't use him at all at this stage is staggering.

My hunch is that if he wasn't a first rounder, he'd be gone.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 20, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Samson151,
It's not execution.
They miss open shots.
They can't defend.
They can't get to the paint.
Did you see Philly put the pressure on them in the 4th when it was close and then pull away?
We can't do that.
How many times did we lose a man under the bucket for easy buckets and lose their 3 pt shooters for wide open shots?
Not just this last game but all of them.
Gilbert at full strength will get us more W's but not enuff.

Sorry but "We Ain't No Good!"


Posted by: VBFan | December 20, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Bullets Fever,

NY, did not get lost, rather they stopped giving him any touches, and he didn't play much in the 2nd half. Once again Stevenson was given all the minutes in the 4th quarter and he did nothing...he's a huge liability...he gives us nothing offensively (he actually missed a big 3 in the last few minutes), and defensively people generally score at will on him.

I thought in the 18 minutes that NY got, he played spectacularly. If the guy started or got starter minutes (30-40 min) he'd easily be gettng the team 16-20 points most games.

Posted by: insanity999 | December 20, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

vbfan shoots back: "It's not execution. They miss open shots. They can't defend.
They can't get to the paint. Did you see Philly put the pressure on them in the 4th when it was close and then pull away?
We can't do that. How many times did we lose a man under the bucket for easy buckets and lose their 3 pt shooters for wide open shots? Not just this last game but all of them. Gilbert at full strength will get us more W's but not enuff.
Sorry but "We Ain't No Good!"

Missing open shots, not getting the ball into the paint, failing on defense -- that's what I mean by execution. And they ain't.

But you're right, even if Gilbert really helps, the team still isn't very good. We maybe go from bottom to middle, but in comparison to Boston or Cleveland? We're like a D-League club.

But if the problem isn't coaching, what it is? To which I'd say (for lack of a better expression), the problem is the learnin'.

You know how when you were in school, you'd hit a class where it just seemed like the material was too tough and you began to think you'd never pick it up? Then all of a sudden it started to make sense to you, and you surprised the heck out of yourself with a good grade?

OK, maybe I was slower than most. But that happened to me a lot. It just seemed to take a while for things to come together, but when they did...

That's what I suspect is going on here. Of course, it would really help if the team had a clear leader. Not in the inspirational sense, but in the relax-I'm-in-charge-I-won't-let-you-mess-up-too-bad sense. But even then, these young guys will make bonehead plays because they just don't 'get it'. Yet.

It'll look like they can't hit a jump shot or get a rebound, but it's really because they're not sure what they're supposed to do, and that's causing them to hesitate or employ poor technique.

Andray Blatche might hit a hundred consecutive jumpers in practice and still blow a wide open fifteen footer at the end of a game.

I think players have to relax in order to perform, and they can't relax when they're wondering what they should be doing next.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 20, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Samson151
Disagree.
We lost to a lot of BAD teams.
What does that mean?
Where in the rotation would , Blatch, Young, Mcguire & James be in Philly???

Posted by: VBFan | December 20, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Blatch, Young, Mcguire & James be in Philly???

With Brand down, Blatch might get some quality PT. Otherwise, those guys are sitting.

Poor coaching is exacerbating the problems on this team. But it's not the cause of them.

They just don't have enough quality players.

Full stop.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 20, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Why did Caron and Jamison disappear in the 4th quarter? Where they taken away by the D or just to darn tired to shoot but not too tired to critcize Blatche, etc for taking the shot. Andre deserves a little respect for his play as a starter.

Posted by: h20law2000 | December 20, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Why did Caron and Jamison disappear in the 4th quarter? Where they taken away by the D or just to darn tired to shoot but not too tired to criticize Blatche, etc for taking the shot. Andre deserves a little respect for his play as a starter.

Posted by: h20law2000 | December 20, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Blatche looks like he's starting to turn the corner to me. He verbally chastizes himself after a poor rebounding performance vs Indy then goes out the next game and dominates RaWeed Wallace. Last night's game was pretty solid and keep in mind he's playing out of position against natural centers (Hibbert & Dalambert).

If you want to start a list with what is wrong with this team, Blatche isn't even one of the top 4 culprits IMO.

Posted by: elfreako | December 20, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I just still can't even believe they fired Eddie Jordan after just 10 games!

What a knee jerk over reaction! After the job he did last season?? I mean we went from a stable team with every reason to believe things would eventually get back on track, to spinning into a total state of disarray.

I mean I could see it if there was something in the wings, like Van Gundy being ready to come on board. But it was done with no plan or course of action in place. Why drop Jordan to replace him with Tapscott?? Was that really done to turn things around?? That was done to save our season and lead us to the playoffs?? I mean it just makes absolutely no sense!!

We had finally started to gain some stability and respect around the league after years of losing and the MJ fiasco.

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 20, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

BulletsFever said:
"Once again, bad coaching cost us the game."

I bet you're the kind of person who did poorly in school and blamed it on your teachers.

Posted by: IrenePollin | December 20, 2008 12:42 AM

Whatever!! Nope, sorry IP your profile of me is off 180 degrees. Lets flip your statement, shall we? Were you one of those teachers who had willing students, but did not know how to teach.......???????

Or were you one of those students who did good in school and did not have to blame anything on the teachers because you were the teacher's pet.....??

What's up with that backhanded comment anyway? Are you the only one on here who does not see Tapscott does not know what he is doing coaching?

I was ready to give the dude all of the support he needed when he took over. But after he started killing McGee's and NY's game and still playing Song. at the 5 spot, playing CB and AJ way to many minutes a game, and last but not least giving Stevenson way to many minutes; I can not take it anymore.

If he was going to coach like this we my as well keep Eddie J' as coach. You can not blame this whole thing on the players. So yes, I am blaming the coach like he is a teacher, because guess what; he is....!!!!!!

So please go back up to the owner's suite Irene and watch the game from there and try to learn something more about the game before you come on here making a comment on something you don't know anything about....

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 20, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

FIRE TAPSCOTT

HE CAN NOT COACH!!!!

HIRE RANDY AYERS......

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 20, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line is EG signed an aging power forward and a hurt "point" guard for alot of money...
This team sucks...
how are you going to give a one knee guard 18 mill????

They are going to finish 13-69

Posted by: jimmydeanroundsausages | December 20, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

" HIRE RANDY AYERS......

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 20, 2008 7:03 PM "

Randy is already hired!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 20, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

" HIRE RANDY AYERS......

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 20, 2008 7:03 PM "

Randy is already hired!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 20, 2008 9:48 PM

AS HEAD COACH........

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 20, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

I think EG is going to trade ET and DS for Larry Hughes when Kirk Hinrich comes back. I think the Bulls want to unload Larry and DS can be a great 5 guard on a team for a couple of years and also ET can help them with some physical play from time to time.

Posted by: dsquare | December 21, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

"I think EG is going to trade ET and DS for Larry Hughes when Kirk Hinrich comes back. I think the Bulls want to unload Larry and DS can be a great 5 guard on a team for a couple of years and also ET can help them with some physical play from time to time.

Posted by: dsquare | December 21, 2008 12:19 AM "

Then, you might as well trade NY too b/c he won't get much PT behind LH or Caron.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 21, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

The Distribution Center that services our store is in Cleveland, our regular delivery driver and I have a weekly running converstaion about the Wizards and the Cavaliers that's been going on for years.

Oh course I tell him to enjoy LaBron while he can because he's bound for NY. This week he's all smiles, tells me the latest out of Cleveland is that LaBron is set to sign an extension, and Cleveland is rumored to be making a deal with the Wizards that will put them over the top.

He says Cleveland is rumored to be sending Wally Szczerbiak, JJ Hickson and a future first rounder to Washington for Jamison and Stevenson. I tried the thing on the trade machine and it works salary wise.

His take is that LaBron wanted Jamison this off season. That he'd give them a sixth man that could play either power forward or small forward, and allow Wallace to slide to center sometimes when they sit Z, and he could provide scoring when LaBron rested.

Stevenson would provide a veteran defender off the bench at a cheap price. And on the court with LaBron he'd get the open looks he needs.

Doesn't look like much for the Wizards unless Grunfeld (A) just wants the cap space of letting Szczerbiak play out his nearly 14m contract and leave next summer. Or (B) has another trade in mind where another team wants to dump someone for cap space. Chicago???

JJ Hickson was a nice power forward at NC State, but he's another project. And a late first rounder next year would be yet another project. Getting rid of Stevenson and his remaining contract would be a plus in my mind.

If Ernie would be going this route it would indicate he's willing to blow up the big three, go for the lottery and rebuild.

I haven't heard this one anywhere else up to now, is it the product of a trucker that has hours to think while on the road?
It seems to have a lot of upside for Cleveland since they're a title contender if they can resign LaBron.

Is there an upside for the Wiz in it?

Posted by: flohrtv | December 21, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

flohrtv asked: "Is there an upside for the Wiz in it?"

question: would Cleveland throw in a pack of Rainbow Skittles?

when D.C. trades Antawn Jamison for Wally Szerbiak, we will know that the end of days has arrived.

Posted by: satchmore | December 21, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

flohrtv,
Not much upside. AJ certainly has his deficiencies on the defensive end but he is a terribly consistent scorer and rebounder. Additionally, he does bring a professionalism and work ethic which this team needs. Playing through the thumb in Detroit was impressive, aside from whether it was best serving the team.

Trading him would signal collapse of EG's master plan and a total rebuild/youth movement. Gil would likely pout for a solid year, he would be distraught with the prospect of being the only playoff experienced vet on the team.

Upside...goodbye DS. Another 1st round pick in the next couple of years, combined with an almost certain top 5 pick this year and possibly next year as well. Lots of young talent and a little cash to retain some of it after the Szczerbiak contract expires.

At the end of the day this does not sound like an Abe Pollin move. I don't see it happening.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | December 21, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

misspoke...both Caron and Haywood would also be playoff vets on the team but Gil would still pout.

if he did buy in though it would be kind of cool to build the youth around those 3. Obtain a downright mean power forward (Xavier Mcdaniel model) with development of Blatche, McGee, DMac, NY, Crit and the futures....sounds like fun to me.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | December 21, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Forget about Szczerbiak if EG makes that trade, he's fired in the offseason. Everybody knows Abe has a man crush on AJ.

But an ET/DSteve trade for Larry Hughes would be nice! Hughes doesn't figure into the Bulls long term plan, he's cloggin a lot of their cap space, and he's been injury prone.

I'll admit though that he's been ballin this year, he looks healthy for the first time in a year or two, and he fits their playing style really well, but Chicago is guard-heavy and LDog is the odd man out.

Still no hope for this season (we'll be razor thin in the frontcourt w/o ET, with BTH out until at least Feb), but Gil, Larry, Caron, AJ, and Brendan looks like a nice lineup next year (its 2005's team plus CB!!!), under the right coach. T

Add a good coach to the mix, and we'll be competitive in the new look East. This is a HUGE offseason for EG, and it will probably determine his whether he's here after next season.


Under a good coach you'd have your top 8-9 players (starters plus AB/NY/DMac and JMcGee as he develops), DSong giving us a solid veteran third string forward (FORWARD, NOT CENTER FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!), Juan dixon and Mike James as veteran depth and scoring in the backcourt, and Critt (and maybe OPech even though I don't see him being in the long term plans) getting worked into the rotation after having an entire preseason and training camp with the Wiz.

I know all of this is best case scenario, but Grunfeld has to earn his paycheck this coming offseason. The right coach, and a key trade or FA acquisition or two, and we're right back in the mix.

Posted by: jones-y | December 21, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Only way I'd see Grunfeld biting on that deal would be if he had another deal in hand where he could find a team looking for a 14m expiring deal.

I'd agree that Jamison is a guy that Pollin would almost never deal. I don't see enough upside in the deal for the Wiz, but with the season they're having Jamison and Butler's names are bound to start coming up.

Posted by: flohrtv | December 21, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

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