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Interesting Statistics

Dan Steinberg discovered some strange stats after last night's Wizards victory -- and offers a few more observations.

Wiz are 5-7 when DeShawn Stevenson doesn't turn the ball over, and 1-16 when he does. The Wiz are 2-0 when Caron Butler doesn't play, and 4-23 when he does. The Wiz are 3-3 when JaVale McGee doesn't play at least six minutes, and 3-20 when he does.

By Alexa Steele  |  December 30, 2008; 11:59 AM ET
 
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"Wiz are 5-7 when DeShawn Stevenson doesn't turn the ball over, and 1-16 when he does."

Stevenson should NEVER be allowed to handle the ball even with this stat. I'd like to see this one going back to last year, he's a terrible ball handler no matter what the record is.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 30, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Alexa forgot an important fact. This team with Gil and AJ never got out of the first round of the playoffs?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 30, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry Dan Steinberg forgot the Wizards past.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 30, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Forgot another one:

bulletsfan78 is 0-23892309482093482093482093482093482093482039482093482093842093482039482093482093842098039486502913840192850 with the ladies.

But 1-0 with DCMAN.

Who knew?

Posted by: bryc3 | December 30, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

These stats don't mean much. As much as I like them, stats alone never tell the whole story.

How about this one...This team is 2-0 in games in which Andray Blatche has played at least 36 minutes.

In two other games (35 minutes each), he had a total of 24 points, 17 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 blocks, 2 steals and only 3 turnovers.

Looks to me like if you give AB time, he produces. He may not be THE answer but he is certainly one of the answers. Again, congrats to EG.

Posted by: original_mark | December 30, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards are undefeated when Blatche takes an elbow to the face.

Posted by: smithm1 | December 30, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Yeah those aren't the kinds of stats that correlate to anything.

Posted by: jones-y | December 30, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

i think that's the whole point.. the stats are goofy. it's the Bog people!! ;)

Posted by: 3tripleiii | December 30, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

original_mark,

In reference to AB, how prescient does ETap now look? Remember he said: if AB gives us double digits cosistently we'll be fine.

--------------------------------

Alexa forgot an important fact. This team with Gil and AJ never got out of the first round of the playoffs?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 30, 2008 12:15 PM

Yes they did.

Posted by: jones-y | December 30, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Alexa, you can do better, these stats mean nothing. Just had to get something on paper. As the saying goes.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 30, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

More strange facts-

We are 1-0 when i go to a fondoe party during the game and 5-23 when i dont

Posted by: NFeKPo | December 30, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

jones-y

You are right I forgot the 2004/05 season when they beat the Chicago Bulls in the first round and then got swept in the 2nd Round by the Miami Heat in 4 straight.

I can admit when I am wrong.

Something bryc3 (or is he really Kal) can not do?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 30, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"Wiz are 5-7 when DeShawn Stevenson doesn't turn the ball over, and 1-16 when he does."

All the more reason to limit his minutes, and thus, his turnovers.

Posted by: psps23 | December 30, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Also, airballs should count as turnovers if the other team comes up with the ball. To me, they're no different than errant passes.

Posted by: psps23 | December 30, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

"In reference to AB, how prescient does ETap now look? Remember he said: if AB gives us double digits cosistently we'll be fine."


Well, I just wish they had been just as prescient when they were doling out minutes and setting sub patterns at the beginning of the season. I honestly believe that if we'd been using our current lineup all year, we'd be at least a .500 team.

We couldn't have because the biggest change that no one is really talking about is Mike James. As well as AJ and AB are playing, without MJ, we'd have lost the last 2 games. He has very quietly settled down this team and established himself as a legitimate threat and solid pg. Ernie deserves major props for this move.

Even if BTH and Gil don't come back this season, I think we can get to 35-40 wins this year if everyone stays healthy. i can't believe I'm actually seeing guys challenge shots, switch, challenge inside shots and foul hard. Starting McGuire has almost been like turning a switch. Defense is contagious. I just hope when Cb comes back, he gets into the flow and we don't start the 'give it to the big 2 and stand around' mentality again.

Posted by: original_mark | December 30, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

You're right, jones-y. AB (as much as some here like to bash him and call him a lazy wasted talent) is a very good player who's only 22 years old and his output is critical.
I sure wish he'd dunk more often rather than finger roll but whatever works for him.

AB is exhibit A when we all complain about JM not getting more time to develop. Imagine if we gave JM all of Songaila's minutes, how much better he'd be next year.

Posted by: original_mark | December 30, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

almost all shots that don't draw iron are turns even if it isn't classified as such and despite never shooting deshawn manages to clang one off the backboard every night, like phil said, those can break a finger trying to get the rebound, save jamison the aggravation of another injury and don't shoot.

Posted by: bford1kb | December 30, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Play javale, our d is nice if he, blatche and dom all get real time, Dom is most certainly the catalyst of all things hustle, he has elevated everyone's game, especially blatche, i don't think it's any secret as to why dom, nick and ab play well together, they are boys, they even did like a three man, "let's do this" pregame thing, they have great chemistry together and jamison has much more value with dom being out there as a true stopper and great help side man

Posted by: bford1kb | December 30, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

JM's time will come. He's a big man, you throw them in, they sink. Bynum was just coming into his own last year, and that was his third year. I wanna see him play too, but big men need more time. Its clear to me that everything positive he does on the court is based solely on pure physical talent. And conversely, everything negative is due to his rawness (and lack of strength). Combine his talent with an understanding of our offense and defense, more strength and conditioning, and an understanding of how to use leverage (see Tyson Chandler), and he'll be a special one.

I don't think he's going to add significant bulk to his frame, however, he doesn't have that type of wide shouldered frame that you add 35 pounds of muscle to, but he will get stronger.

As for Mike James, he is a clear upgrade to AD, but we're talking about holding the fort til Gil gets back. He's a stopgap. A much better stopgap than AD this year, but a stopgap nonetheless. He's way more offensively talented than AD, but AD is a better distributor and a bit more unselfish.

For example, last night, DSong stripped Artest at the top of the key, and Mike James got the loose ball and was out ahead, with DSong trailing. As a PG, you gotta give your big man those two points.

Posted by: jones-y | December 30, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Screw the lottery; it will be more fun to be the spoiler from hell.

Still, I'm not going to get all excited over one quality road win.

Fact is, Houston dogged it for three quarters, assuming they could turn it on in the fourth and take the game. And it almost worked out that way for them.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | December 30, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I'll give DSong credit for making a key strip or steal here and there. he's also a very good shooter who will make it more often than not when wide open.
It's the missed rebounds and the total disregard for players driving right down the middle that bus me. He should foul out of every game by giving hard hacks to and guy who has the audacity to come down the middle. He doesn't even try to challenge. He starts heading for the baseline to inbound the ball before the ball is even through the net.
I'm not even asking for Jm to start anymore or for Pech to get a chance. I just don't want to see Songaila playing when JM isn't. Even though a lot of folks like Songaila at pf, I'd rather see Jm there, too. He's quick enough. DSong should get ZERO minutes, IMO. I'm probably in them minority, though. Actually, there are about 3 -4 guys who have a problem with him because of his strength. Sheed is one of them. If he plays at all, it should only be against those guys. ...and personally, I'd rather give Etan or Pech those minutes, too.

Posted by: original_mark | December 30, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

mark

I can understand your stance on DSong, but when used properly (at the 4) he's a nice veteran to have on the bench. Its when he's at the 5, that he (as DL Hugley would say) f's it up for everybody.

The man is too small to clog the lane, doesn't use his fouls (maybe he thinks he should be saving them for something?!?!?!), and can't get a rebound if it doesn't drop directly to him. On the plus side, he does have the strength and leverage that no one else (besides ET) has.

On the other end, he does serve to draw the opposing big man out of the paint, which opens it up for AJ and CB at the rim. And he has probably the most reliable jumper on the team.

Posted by: jones-y | December 30, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

You have to read this "article" by the grade-schooler that the Chronicle hired to blog for the Rockets.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1154-Houston-Rockets-Examiner~y2008m12d29-These-woeful-Wizards-have-a-little-fight-in-them

Here's my favorite excerpt:

Regardless, similar to the Detroit Lions, both the Lions and Wizards face the same problem — both teams have played poorly. However, for either squad, their lack of success isn’t due to a lack of effort. Similar to the Lions, the Wizards face the severe lack of competent personnel. When you look at the Wizards' supporting cast, one word comes to mind — pathetic.

With players such as Juan Dixon, Etan Thomas and Dominic McGuire coming off the bench, I feel confident in my declaration that none of these after-mentioned players would spend any time in the Rockets rotation.

Posted by: Good2bOK | December 30, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

"You have to read this "article" by the grade-schooler that the Chronicle hired to blog for the Rockets."

Sorry, I guess it's the Examiner, not the Chronicle. Makes me feel a little better.

Posted by: Good2bOK | December 30, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

The Zards are 6-23 when I dont watch them (this year) but the Caps are undefeated when I go to their games in person. Quincidence, i think not.

Posted by: ThatGuy2 | December 30, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I think this Houston writer would have said the same thing of Roger Mason Jr last year. And here we are, claiming that there was no room for him in our rotation yet he is in San Antonio winning games for the spurs. What's wrong with this picture?

Posted by: smithm1 | December 30, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Huh? When was the last time a defensive passer took over an NBA game? You take over a game by putting up a lot of points. Buckets or assists or some combo thereof. That's Gil's calling card, putting up points in bunches.

Posted by: jones-y | December 30, 2008 12:27 PM

Kobe, Michael and AI all have tried the approach that scoring a lot of points wins games, but it will not win you a championship. Kobe learned his lesson after throwing Shaq under the bus. MJ and AI could score 50 points any given night, AI never won a championship and it took the Bulls getting the right players around him for him to win a championship. You can not even mention Gil’s name when you are talking about the MJ, Kobe and AI. It is a team game and Gil does not understand that.

This is a loser organization; they think winning meaningless games and playing vets is going to help them in the long run? Play the young guys; let them develop, hope for a good draft pick, trade a couple of guys and try to win a championship down the road.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 30, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

On the other end, he does serve to draw the opposing big man out of the paint, which opens it up for AJ and CB at the rim. And he has probably the most reliable jumper on the team.

Posted by: jones-y | December 30, 2008 2:04 PM

Not sure you can call Dsong's shot a "jumper" but I usually like the end result! Defensive liabilities aside, I think he is a smart player who gets himself open for good shots by moving well w/out the ball.

Posted by: edP2 | December 30, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

"But 1-0 with DCMAN.

Who knew?

Posted by: bryc3 | December 30, 2008 12:24 PM "

But he be 10^999999 witch'er daddy.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 30, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

The best stat Les BouleS can hope you forget is this:

Les Boules 05-06: 42-40 (1st round playoff elimination with Gilby)

Les BouleS 06-07: 41-41 (1st round playoff elimation with Gilby)

Les BouleS 07-08: 43-39 (1st round playoff elimination without Gilby. Gilby then rewarded $127 mil for being injured.)

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 30, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

those stats mean noting. Here is another one to be considered:

The Wizards at 5-23 with Gilbert and Brendan out of the lineup

nuff said

Posted by: WizardsExtreme | December 30, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Huh? When was the last time a defensive passer took over an NBA game? You take over a game by putting up a lot of points. Buckets or assists or some combo thereof. That's Gil's calling card, putting up points in bunches.

Posted by: jones-y | December 30, 2008 12:27 PM

Kobe, Michael and AI all have tried the approach that scoring a lot of points wins games, but it will not win you a championship.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 30, 2008 2:54 PM

You're right, but your original comment was about taking over a game. Specifically, that Gil can't. No it doesn't necessarily translate into championships. But that wasn't the point you were originally making.

Posted by: jones-y | December 30, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"The Wizards at 5-23 with Gilbert and Brendan out of the lineup

nuff said

Posted by: WizardsExtreme | December 30, 2008 3:32 PM "

Add BTH to the lineup and they would be fine. Gilby.....who cares?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 30, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Les Boules 05-06: 42-40 (1st round playoff elimination with Gilby)

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 30, 2008 3:20 PM

That was the year they made it to the second round.

Posted by: jones-y | December 30, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"Les Boules 05-06: 42-40 (1st round playoff elimination with Gilby)

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 30, 2008 3:20 PM

That was the year they made it to the second round.

Posted by: jones-y | December 30, 2008 3:48 PM "

No, that be 04-05 my friend, when LH was still on the team.

2nd round and swept, by the Heat.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/schedule?team=was&year=2005

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 30, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who knows anything about basketball understands it is a team sport and Gil is not a team player.

ABE paid AJ and Gil to keep fans coming to the games. ABE cares more about making money then he does about winning a championship. You think cheap ABE would have resigned Antonio McDyess the way the Pistons did? No way, it would have put them over the Luxury cap!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 30, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

"No way, it would have put them over the Luxury cap!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 30, 2008 5:22 PM "

In the business world, once you go black, you never want to go back.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 30, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

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