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James, Crittenton Update

Guards Mike James and Javaris Crittenton are expected to arrive in Washington at some point tonight and will take physicals tomorrow morning. Their status for tomorrow night's game against the Boston Celtics will hinge on those physicals and on the one Antonio Daniels will take in New Orleans.

The Hornets do not play tomorrow night and Daniels has 48 hours to report to the team so it is unknown whether James and Crittenton will be immediately available. Coach Ed Tapscott said that Juan Dixon would likely start against Boston tomorrow night.

I'm breaking down tape of the presser with Ernie Grunfeld and Tapscott right now and will have an update with their thoughts as well as a few thoughts from players later.

My early impression is that this is a deal that makes sense for all sides: The Wizards have the least productive backcourt in the league and add a scorer in James and a nice prospect for the future in Crittenton, whom the team really liked going into the 2007 draft. The financials are a wash because Daniels and James both have deals expiring after next season (you can fully expect James to pick up that player option.)

And consider this: Grunfeld has turned a second-round draft pick who was never going to play for the Wizards (Juan Carlos Navarro) into the 19th overall pick (Crittenton).

Not bad.

The Hornets get a veteran PG in Daniels who can run that pick-and-roll game they love so well and guard-heavy Memphis, sheds one and gets back the conditional first rounder it sent to Washington for Navarro in the first place.

By Ivan Carter  |  December 10, 2008; 2:01 PM ET
 
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Comments

This trade will not make the Wizards a playoff team (which is a good thing they need a good draft pick next year), but it does add some youth. It is time to play JC pg, NY sg, CB sf, AB pf, JM c, AJ 6th man and lets see what the young guys can do. It is time to look towards the future, if you look at the past the only thing in the rear view mirror is a first round playoff lost.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 10, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Well, after all is said and done, sucks to be Dee Brown.

I hope he finds work soon, after putting up with Les BouleS BS.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 10, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey ivan are there more deals we can be expecting

Posted by: brandonjamal13 | December 10, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Merry Xmas Dee. One day starting NBA point guard, the next skid row.

JCritt is going to be a good PG in this league sooner than most think. He has size, strength, vision and quickness. Most importantly, he doesn't turn 21 until New Year's Eve. He's a great insurance policy for Agent Zilch. Kudos to Ernie and the execs who got it done!!

Posted by: elfreako | December 10, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Brown will get picked up by someone. Probably not right away, but before the end of the season.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 10, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Mike James' best year was in Toronto in 2005-2006 where he averaged 20.3 points, 5.8 assists, 3.3 reb, and 2 Three-pts per game. That's HUGE!

His playing time got cut dramatically thereafter and his horrible stats reflect that.

Assuming he gets 30+ minutes per game, he could really be a big score for the Wizards.

If I were the Wiz, I'd start:
PG: MJ, SG: NY, SF: CB, PF: AJ, C: AB or JM (both have same averages w/ same playing time)

Javaris Crittenton will obviously come off the bench. In all the games combined so far this year at Memphis, he's barely played a full hour. He's still going to need time to acclimate to the NBA.

Posted by: Independent11 | December 10, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Now if they could just trade DeShawn Stevenson. He's really been a disappointment. Maybe when Gil comes back we can start James as the PG and let Gil take over SG. With JC and NY coming off the bench as needed. That could be a nice lineup.

Posted by: Independent11 | December 10, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I for one really like this deal. As Ivan mentioned, the wiz were gettting no production out of their backcourt and James should help with that. But the biggest thing is the addition of Crittenton that can be the answer at point guard for years to come. As a Terps fan, I was aware of just how talented JC is seeing him play in the ACC and I advocted on here drafting him in '07. And what doesn't seem to get mentioned is the fact that reportedly EG had a deal in place in June to deal the 18th pick in the draft for JC contingent on certain players not being there (McGee was available and EG nixed to deal to take him, something I am sure we are all happy about). So EG gets his man and at a much lower cost.
Another part of this deal that I am happy about is the dynamic it gives the team when Haywood and Arenas come back (or if they come back). You have 3 different groups: the vet starters (Arenas, Stevenson, Butler, Jamison, and Haywood); the young guns breathing down their necks, in line for their starting spots (Crittenton, Young, McGuire, Blatche, and McGee); then the guys whose contracts we are waiting to expire (James, Dixon, Pecherov, Songalia, and Thomas). Should make for spirited practices.

Posted by: detox04 | December 10, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"His playing time got cut dramatically thereafter and his horrible stats reflect that."

His reduction in playing time reflects his inability to run an offense, which is what the other teams were asking him to do.

BTW, the year James put up those numbers, the Raptors won 27 games.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 10, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

How 'bout a little love for AD? He did all he could...played hard, went to the rim, backed up the point, worked at his game and never hesitated to give his opinion! They've done him a favor by sending him to a certain playoff team and a system he can excel in.

Bye bye Antonio. Thanks for working hard while you were here.

Posted by: joe2chase | December 10, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

In Ernie we Trust. Best sports exec in DC bar none.

Posted by: TheFunBunch | December 10, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"Brown will get picked up by someone. Probably not right away, but before the end of the season."

No he won't. He sucks and that's why he went overseas. EG should never have signed him in the first place. $10 says he will go back.

A SIX FOOT FIVE PG!

Woo-hoo! :)

Personally, I would like to see Crits eventually start at PG and move Arenas to the 2 spot. But I don't know if he would agree to that.

Even if the Wiz don't make the playoffs, EG CAN make the roster better for next year. Makes it very attractive for someone looking for a new coach in case Tapps doesn't work out.

Again, the NBA is about match-ups and while I don't like everything Taps is doing I have been happy with his subs for the most part.

Geeze, the Wiz sure do have A LOT of young talent all of a sudden.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 10, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Seconded, joe2chase. He hasn't looked the same this season, or most of last year either, but I remember Daniels taking it to the rim three or four times a night, hitting the deck almost every time, and nailing his free throws. Not to mention doing a nice job of making passes without causing turnovers. He was really enjoyable to watch for at least a couple seasons.

Posted by: duffin_j | December 10, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Good luck during the rest of the season, Wizard fans. My time as a Wizard fan has come to an end.

Posted by: kebzach | December 10, 2008 1:37 PM

NEWSFLASH: YOU WERE NOT A WIZARDS FAN TO BEGIN WITH. NO REAL FAN OF ANY TEAM DECIDES NOT TO BE A FAN BECAUSE OF A TRADE THEY DON'T AGREE WITH.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 10, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't get this bizarre fascination with Crittenton's height. If being taller than most of the competition automatically equated to superior play, Shawn Bradley and Manute Bol would be in the HoF. There have been lots of "big" PGs over the years, but only one ever rose to any noteworthy level of real status or performanee: Magic Johnson. The majority of great PGs over the years have been small guys.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 10, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

This trade will not make the Wizards a playoff team (which is a good thing they need a good draft pick next year)

Posted by: bulletsfan78

I've said it before and I'll say it again, bulletsfan78 is NOT a real wizards fan. The guy has repeatedly posted comments on here stating he doesn't want the Wizards to make the playoffs this year. Only phony, dooooooche bag "fans" come up with reasons to root against their teams. Go away dude.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 10, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Great deal. The problem is not Ernie. He seems to come through more often than not with deals that are, at face value, pretty good.

JC rolls off the tongue a little better than AD. James can light it up. I remember him well with Toronto.

While this is a good deal for the future, we still need good coaching/substitutions to gert this ball rolling this year. Adding young gunners is yet another reason to run run run.

Posted by: original_mark | December 10, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

The thing this really does is sure up the team next year and get us a bit more competitive until Gilbert returns. We needed a point guard as Dee was not the answer and neither Antonio (injuries, age) nor Juan (size) could be counted on. I am a huge fan of AD and Juan, but they're both backup PGs. MJ is a stopgap IMO.

The young guy and NY will make a great second unit next year with Blatch, DMac and McGee. This also gives the team a lot more flexibility to deal with injuries.

I'd like to see some excitement out of the rest of the season even if in the end the team falls short of playoffs, which seems likely at this point. EG got us what we need to make that happen in a scoring punch from the point to compliment our forwards.

Posted by: jon_quest | December 10, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Except they haven't added any young gunners. James is 33 and Crittenton isn't a gunner.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 10, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

based on draftexpress, JC is a shade under 6'5" with shoes. I can name a few big guys approximately his height that were pretty good pg's ....Brandon Roy comes to mind. Also, Nash is listed at 6'3" and Kidd at 6'4".

Posted by: original_mark | December 10, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

As Ray mentioned, the Wiz do seem to have a lot of young talent all of a sudden. It is too bad McGee can't develop sooner into the fine player he will likely be. He is obviously overmatched at this point against the veteran, savvy centers in the league (like D. Howard and Sheed). But it is what it is.

Like the rest of you, my hats are off to AD. He was a class act and a fine professional. I wish him well.

Tim

Posted by: cannontl | December 10, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Good deal. Hopefully, they will work JC into the starting line-up real soon.

With JC at the 1, the line-up for the 2 spot should be James, Young, Butler and DeS.

I guess Juan will have to be the back-up to JC.

The team ought to play .500 until Gil returns.

Posted by: Izman | December 10, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

As usual -- great analysis Ivan. Some good comments about the deal too.

I have no idea how this one will work out, but on paper it makes sense.

Minor technicality -- isn't this really two deals involving the Wizards rather than a 3-way trade? (e.g. Daniels for James, Crittendon for the return of the Grizzlies conditional #1) Are the Grizzlies and Hornets making a trade too between one another?

Posted by: JPRS | December 10, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Correction to previous comment: "Crittenton" not "Crittendon".

Posted by: JPRS | December 10, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Good trade. Clears up one of the two mistakes EJ has made while GM, passing on Rajon Rondo for Pesh, who should be traded ASAP. Giving Etan Thomas that ludicrous contract was the other. Jury is still out on Gil's contract. At best, they get a young guy with the size and athleticism to be a good defender. At worst, he washes out but they haven't lost anything other than that conditional pick. James is a career 38% 3-point shooter, so should take over some of Roger Mason's role from last year. $10 says they play their vets until mid-January to see where they are. If they have no playoff hopes at that point, they limit AJ and Butler's minutes while bring Gil back slowly and playing the young guys more. DETOX04 forgto that the Wiz are getting a high lottery pick at this point. So throw in a James Harden, Hasheem Thabeet, Al-Farouq Aminu or Step Curry and this team looks solid for the future.

Posted by: Heybubu2 | December 10, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

^ the griz gave the hornets a 2015 2nd rounder

Posted by: detox04 | December 10, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Roy is a SG (who does, in some lineups run the offense; but his primary position is still SG). Steve Blake is the starting PG for Portland (Sergio Rodriguez is the backup). It's pretty obvious that Nash is not actually 6'3". In any case, by NBA standards, 6'3" is not "big" by any means.

Of course, none of this really matters. My obvious point was that Critteton's height is, by no reasonable means, a measure of his possible future success, so it makes no sense for people to get all excited about it like it actually means something. It only means something if he can play, which (A) has yet to be determined and (B) will not, in any meaningful way, be determined by his height.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 10, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Really solves our inside scoring/rebounding problem, huh?

Posted by: virtueandvice | December 10, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

3:41PM post

The excitement is due to the fact that the team received the 19th overall pick in the '07 draft and a veteran shooter for Antonio Daniels, an uber-protected draft pick, and in essence, Dee Brown. The potential of a first-rounder always creates excitement, the kid's only played 1 year in the league, so there's no reason to think he cannot play. Of course, there's no reason to think he'll develop either...

Posted by: -CN- | December 10, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Very good move... I remember Crittenton working out for the Wizards. Wasn't he the one Gil lent his shoes to?

Mike James is good... 6'2 PG who can shoot the 3 and plays good D.

Crittenton is the key. He is young and raw, only played one year of college and is 20. He is a young player who we can groom behind Arenas. And at 6'5 he's the same height as Hughes or Stevenson, strong and athletic, and is someone we can play with Gil also.

Mike James is someone who can start at pg now, and Crittenton like McGee is a player for the future. I liked Daniels and hate to see him go, but this is a very good trade. And I never thought we'd get anything back on that Memphis for JCN pick. Crittenton also is a nice pickup as insurance for a worse case scenario with Gil's comeback.

When Gil comes back James is a solid veteran backup and replaces AD's role. Next season and beyond I can see us with a real nice 3 man G rotation of Arenas, Crittenton and Nick Young. We now have talented young players to groom for the future at all 5 positions with McGee, Blatche, McGuire, Young and Crittenton.

Now make this trade next and I will be VERY happy!!

DeShawn, Etan, Pecherov to Bulls for Hughes and Cedric Simmons.

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 10, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

"The majority of great PGs over the years have been small guys."

There you go, Kalo himself likes the MISMATCH of Crits height compared to other PG's in the league. ;)

Kalo, Crits is a matchup nightmare. Now yes, he has to prove he can play in NBA but considering his potential that is something to be excited about.

"$10 says they play their vets until mid-January to see where they are."

If they are still losing, then yeah I can see that. I think the vets on the roster should be worried about wanting to stay on the team. Personally, I hope EG dumps a few more bodies this year and opts for the future because unless they make a dramatic turn they aren't going to win anything this year anyway.

I sure wish EG could draft like he trades, lol!

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 10, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Virtue...
At least it doesn't create additional problems with the inside scoring & rebounding issues. The team traded small for small, so IMHO, the team upgraded its scoring issue by getting a scoring PG and also addressed an issue of not having a young viable PG. The latter was thought to be addressed with the Dee Brown signing, but that didn't work out here...

Posted by: -CN- | December 10, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I've said it before and I'll say it again, bulletsfan78 is NOT a real wizards fan. The guy has repeatedly posted comments on here stating he doesn't want the Wizards to make the playoffs this year. Only phony, dooooooche bag "fans" come up with reasons to root against their teams. Go away dude.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 10, 2008 3:20 PM

You are right I am a Bullets Fan can't you tell by my screen name? They should change their name back to the Bullets. I would love to see the Wizards win a championship and the best way they are doing to do that since ABE is cheap, is through good draft picks.

Do you really think they have a chance to win a championship this year? Would you prefer to see them make the playoffs every year and get knocked out in the first round? If you answered yes to the last question, ABE loves you and kal.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 10, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I like this trade alot, at first I was like man who is Javaris Crittenton and why in the world would we trade Antonio Daniels for Mike James??? I felt like since Daniels came back the team had been playing better and we had a chance at creaping towards .500 by the time Haywood and Arenas came back in late Jannuary.

But then after reading up on Javaris Crittenton, I realized this is a great move. It gives us a prospect now at PG, that hopefully we can team up with Nick young in the near future both guys have tremendous potential to be stars in the league, and I love his size, as other's said he's 6'5 and a solid 200 lbs.

Also Mike James and Antonio Daniels are pretty much a wash, except Antonio is bigger, both are scoring PGs. Both are not true PG's so its not like we are loosing much there, and except Antonio is probably a better defensive player.

I love the deal though because of the future, like others said we have 6 solid young guys that we can build our future aroud.... Crittenton, Young, McGuire, Blatche, McGee and Peterov, so that's good and we will add another one or 2 in next years draft.

I wish I could say the same for my skins, we probably have 5 young promising players on that team 2, problem is you need 22 guys to be your starters....hehe, they are becoming the 'over the hill gang 2.'

this trade should make for an exciting rest of the year.

I don't thik they can trade stevenson, honestly I wish he was the one traded instead of AD, but Stevenson has absolutely 0 value, I can't believe he still starts, he can't even hit a free thrown now!

Posted by: avbanig | December 10, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

What does it matter about Crittenton being the 19th overall pick if he can't play. He's got more DNPS than games played. If a guy can't get off of the bench in Memphis, what impact could he possibly have here. And to whoever said Lowery comes off the bench, you're late. He is now the starter in Memphis.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 10, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

This trade is great. The memphis pick would have eventually been a second rounder. AD and James is basically a straight swap with AD probably being a little better but couldn't be counted on to play in many games this season. Neither player will make us much better or worse. Between James and ET we will have 13-14mil in expiring contracts next year we might be able to parlay into another starter a la Pau Gasol last year. Crittendon is raw but he has great size and will be an above average defender. With his ability to guard two spots he should be able to play alot of minutes at the same time as Gil in the future. Even if you are completely sold as Arenas coming back as good as ever we needed to invest in another starting quality PG. There is little risk and lots of potential rewards in this deal as we were very unlikely to see a first rounder from that conditional memphis pick. Great long term move negligible returns this season which is lost anyways.

Posted by: SteveK25 | December 10, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

What does it matter about Crittenton being the 19th overall pick if he can't play. He's got more DNPS than games played. If a guy can't get off of the bench in Memphis, what impact could he possibly have here.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 10, 2008 4:02 PM

That says more about Memphis and their bonkers player moves/drafting than it does about Crittenton - at the moment. I think we've used Memphis for what many teams use them for - grabbing a (potentially) talented player for a pittance.

Posted by: Kev29 | December 10, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

In LA Crittendon was stuck behind Fisher and Farmar. In Memphis they already had Conley and Lowrey. I don't think his lack of playing time is very troubling considering.

Posted by: SteveK25 | December 10, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I like what I see here. AD has been rewarded for being a good soldier. Clearly our guard situation needs changing. Competition will either lift Stevenson or sink him. One way or the other EG is answering all those folks who said the problem was not EJ but the players. He never denied that.

So now the tweaking of the lineup continues. Produce or you are not in the plans for the future. Taps will work his rotations accordingly. The 8 plus 2 concept has produced the desired competition. Thomas and Pecherov are clearly at the end of the bench now. Songalia has stepped it up in the games under Taps.

Will be interesting to see where we are when Gil returns in January.(cross fingers)I really like the idea of Crittenden getting a shot at the starting point guard job and sliding Gil to the 2 when he returns.

BmoreRev

Posted by: stanlong23 | December 10, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

We had to get Mike James because Memphis didn't have an open roster spot and the salaries didn't work out without him

Posted by: Fundefined | December 10, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

"Brown will get picked up by someone. Probably not right away, but before the end of the season."

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 10, 2008 2:32 PM

Did you use a Taro card or a crystal ball?

Posted by: Dave381 | December 10, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

correction - Tarot

Posted by: Dave381 | December 10, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Alright, with the trade, I'll take a stab at the new 8+2 (at least for the next few games)
STARTERS:
James (25 mins)
Stevenson (25 mins)
Butler (40 mins)
Jamison (40 mins)
McGee (12 mins...)
RESERVES:
Young (20 mins)
Blatche (20 mins)
Dixon (20 mins)
Songalia (20 mins)
McGuire (12 mins)
Crittenton (10 mins)

With the remaining 10 or so minutes to be divied by situation. That's actually an 11-man rotation, but it seems to make the most sense, based on the rotation the last 3 games and the need to get guys in for game experience...

Posted by: -CN- | December 10, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"The excitement is due to the fact that the team received the 19th overall pick in the '07 draft and a veteran shooter for Antonio Daniels, an uber-protected draft pick, and in essence, Dee Brown. The potential of a first-rounder always creates excitement, the kid's only played 1 year in the league, so there's no reason to think he cannot play. Of course, there's no reason to think he'll develop either..."

Not telling me anything I don't already know (or haven't already said) and not actually addressing my point.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 10, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

EJ really has done an amazing job with the cap. For those of you who haven't noticed, the Wiz are currently set to have at least $13 million in cap space at the end of the 2009-2010 season assuming the Wiz don't replace Dixon and Dee Brown with anyone long term. Whoever said trade for Hughes and Simmons is insane, we have so many better options. Butler is 28 and should be an All-Star for a while. I've seen nothing to make me think AJ won't be a solid contributor for a while either. If the Wiz continue to tank this year and get Hasheem Thabeet, they can let Haywood, Thomas and James walk and land a second tier free agent. Or they can draft someone to groom as AJ's replacement (no will McGuire be anything but a role player and I'm not sold on Blatche ever reaching his potential) and resign Haywood. During the 2010-2011 season, they can trade the expiring contracts of Songalia and/or Stevenson for something. Even if Gil comes back at 80-85%, this team could be good.

Posted by: Heybubu2 | December 10, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"Kalo, Crits is a matchup nightmare. Now yes, he has to prove he can play in NBA but considering his potential that is something to be excited about."

Which, yet and again, has nothing to do with nor explains people getting all giddy over his height.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 10, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

This trade is awesome. We essentially traded a guy who would never play for us and an aging AD, for Crittenton and james. James, who cares about honestly, he's a 3 month stop gap till gil is 100%. that being said, Crittenton is catching some hate and he shouldn't. Like previous posts said, he was stuck in two terrible situations. This screams of a Caronesq trade. A team/player mismatch at a bargain. How stupid would the grizzlies look if they actually played Crittenton. That would mean he was playing over two consecutive first round picks, one in the top 5. The grizz wanted to dump gasol and his salary and this poor kid got caught in the mix.

Go back to crittenton's last significant playing time. The first line is crittenton's only year at GT. The second is DERRICK ROSE #1 overall pick.

14.4 PPG, 5.8 Ast, 3.7REB, 2.0 Stl

14.9 PPG,4.7 Ast, 4.5 Reb 1.2 Stl


Crittenton is 10 months older. I'd like to see anyone get rose from the bulls for terrible conditioned pick. there was more of a chance that pick would be a 2nd pick then a first.

IN BIG ERN WE TRUST!!!

Posted by: vanllathunder | December 10, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

No, I'm pretty sure you didn't know the excitement was due to the fact that he was the 19th pick in last year's draft. You were stuck in neutral in your shock of the excitement of a tall PG...

Posted by: -CN- | December 10, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm not giddy over his height. I'm giddy that he's a pretty good defender and he's a true point guard that can play along gil, so out team isn't forever relegated to not having a true PG and running this stupid princeton/motion offense.

Posted by: vanllathunder | December 10, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

That says more about Memphis and their bonkers player moves/drafting than it does about Crittenton - at the moment. I think we've used Memphis for what many teams use them for - grabbing a (potentially) talented player for a pittance.

Posted by: Kev29

Actually, it says a lot about Crittenton. He couldn't get minutes ahead of guys in his draft class. He wasn't behind savvy vets or special talents in Memphis. We're talking Conley Jr. and Kyle Lowry not Deron Williams, or Derrick Rose, or Chris Paul.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 10, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"No, I'm pretty sure you didn't know the excitement was due to the fact that he was the 19th pick in last year's draft."

It's not, by any means, a bad trade. They gave up one aging, injury prone PG playing out the string for another aging, injury-prone PG playing out the string, with no real cap hit to speak of. They gave up what most likely would have ended up beuing a meaningless second round pick (given all of the protections and conditions the Grizz put on it) for a raw, unproven player who may have potential. But any payoff they get will come down the road if Crittenton develops. For the short-term it's not much of a difference maker.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 10, 2008 2:23 PM


That "conditional first round pick" is lottery-protected 6 ways to Sunday and, if not delivered before a certain point, becomes a second round pick (which, had the Wiz kept it, would have been the most likely outcome). The Daniels for James trade is pretty much a wash (when you factor in ages and salaries), so Grunfeld basically traded a 2nd round pick for the #19 overall pick in the 2007 draft. That's not bad work. Even if he's a bust ... so what? They gave up nothing of value to get him.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 10, 2008 3:54 PM


Any other "sureties" you'd like to share?

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 10, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not giddy over his height."

Then i guess I wasn't talking about you, was I?

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 10, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Again, I think this is a great trade for the Wizards. The fact that JC wasn't playing in Memphis doesn't mean anything--that's just a subjective judgment by the coach. Remember that Gil sat on the bench a lot when he first got into the league. And I'd much rather have JC than Mike Conley or Kyle Lowry, neither of whom are exactly filling up the scoresheet right now.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | December 10, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

A second round pick isn't usually worth much in the NBA.

Dee Brown was signed late in camp after all the NBA teams passed on him as an offseason free agent.

Antonio Daniels is a soon to be 35 year old point guard who has a history of knee troubles.

What exactly of value have the Wizards given up here?

You basically get James and Crittenton for next to nothing.

While neither player is going to turn around the fortunes of this franchise by themselves, James can put up more than 3 or 4 points per game that others were averaging.

Meanwhile, Crittenton has good size and if he can develop into a solid point guard for this team the trade would have been worthwile for him alone.

Posted by: leopard09 | December 10, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

The big thing about Crittenton's size is his rare combo of strength, quickness, and length. At Georgia Tech he was a tough matchup defender much like D. Strawberry from Maryland.

But Strawberry was not a natural point, JC is. The guy's got real quickness with the ball and good court vision which is rare for a guy that had his strength and length. The kid can really go to the hole strong, take a blow and finish. He also could beat his man, draw the big then dish it for the assist. Wasn't much of a shooter, kind of had a John Lucas like one hander and a flat jumper. But the Wiz have a first class shooting instructor to work with him.

If the kid would have stayed at Tech he'd really be putting up some numbers right now. And we could be talking about him being one of the top guys in the draft.

The great thing about his size AND the defensive ability that he flashed at Tech is how it translates into playing in a three guard rotation with Gil and Young. He has talents that can mesh with both if his game translates to the pros. He's not a sure thing, but you don't get many sure things this cheap.

He wasn't going to play at Memphis in front of their top 5 pick, Conley, they're already howling about Lowry stealing his time. Crittenton was the third point guard behind guys that they had picked number one on back to back years, and now Gay is getting time at the point too. Know wonder Navarro packed his bags and went back to Spain.

James is a better three baller then Daniels, the Wiz have been hurting at the three line this year. He's also shown an ability to man up on defense. Daniels has really lost a step and is slowing the team down. James for Daniels is a win for both players and both teams.

Ernie has taken the little three and now has expanded them to be "the future five". McGee, Blatche, McGuire, Young and JC form a solid young core. Not bad, Ernie, not bad at all... GM

Posted by: flohrtv | December 10, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

"Actually, it says a lot about Crittenton. He couldn't get minutes ahead of guys in his draft class. He wasn't behind savvy vets or special talents in Memphis. We're talking Conley Jr. and Kyle Lowry not Deron Williams, or Derrick Rose, or Chris Paul."

It does say that, right now, Crittendon isn't as good as those guys, but that's not much of a revelation. If he was he wouldn't have still been around at #19. Doesn't mean he can't develop into a decent rotation player. He's just a question mark right now, and nobody really knows the answer.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 10, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Brother, I'm in the business of insuring sureties. I'm sure you thought all the fascination was about his (Crittenton's) height. I'm just here to say that's not the case:
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I don't get this bizarre fascination with Crittenton's height. If being taller than most of the competition automatically equated to superior play, Shawn Bradley and Manute Bol would be in the HoF. There have been lots of "big" PGs over the years, but only one ever rose to any noteworthy level of real status or performanee: Magic Johnson. The majority of great PGs over the years have been small guys.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 10, 2008 3:17 PM

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Brandon Roy is a SG (who does, in some lineups run the offense; but his primary position is still SG). Steve Blake is the starting PG for Portland (Sergio Rodriguez is the backup). It's pretty obvious that Nash is not actually 6'3". In any case, by NBA standards, 6'3" is not "big" by any means.

Of course, none of this really matters. My obvious point was that Critteton's height is, by no reasonable means, a measure of his possible future success, so it makes no sense for people to get all excited about it like it actually means something. It only means something if he can play, which (A) has yet to be determined and (B) will not, in any meaningful way, be determined by his height.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 10, 2008 3:41 PM

Posted by: -CN- | December 10, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

It does say that, right now, Crittendon isn't as good as those guys, but that's not much of a revelation. If he was he wouldn't have still been around at #19. Doesn't mean he can't develop into a decent rotation player. He's just a question mark right now, and nobody really knows the answer.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 10, 2008 5:07 PM


Kalorama, Lowry was actually the 24th pick in '06. Not that it matters because draft position has nothing to do with ability. See, Brown, Kwame. Crittenton is not a question mark now. It's been answered. He's been in the league for a full season and some change; has been in two training camps; and he couldn't sniff the court in Memphis of all places. Why would he be "rotation" guy here if he couldn't get in the rotation ahead of two "average" young PGs.

Bottomline: the trade's impact will be negligible for the Wiz. James couldn't play in NO where there is really no back-up PG.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 10, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Its realy quite simple buzzkill, I mean Kalo. There absolutely is reason to be giddy over his height. You know why because you can't teach height. The guys that are good would all kill to be 4 inches taller to go with their talent. Of course the talent has to be there, but the bottom line is there are 4" of potential there that a 75" player doesn't, and will never have. You have to atart with a bigger lump of clay if you are going to be able to mold him into a physically superior player. We have had teams of small PG. They weren't that good either AND they were short. Give me a guy that is taller even if just to get in front of a 3 point shooter, and I will take it.

Again we all understand he has to perform, but if he does, and if he can, a great big player beats a great small player most of the time.

Feel free to shred my opinion as you have tried to do with the others. This is my only comment on the subject.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | December 10, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

this is a good trade for us. dee brown simply wasnt an nba player, daniels should be in the broadcasting booth now
mike james and jc can score which something dee and deshawn cant so hopefully teams wont be able to double aj and cb in the 1Q and the whole wont be so deep

Posted by: ballfan | December 10, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Unlearned Hand,
JC was drafted as an extremely athletic, raw 19 year old who was expected to take a year or 2 to develop. Then he was traded midseason to a new team. Conley was a top-5 pick who they are gonna give every chance to play they can. Lowry is a talented 3rd year player. Neither is Chris Paul but to write off JC for not cracking the line-up in his 35 games there is ridiculous. Memphis has been planning to trade him since they got him and didn't invest any time in him as they already had two young developing PG's. In his 27 games there last season he put up very impressive per minute statistics as broken down by Hollinger. We don't know what we will get from him but we gave up next to nothing to get him and he has alot of talent. Lets see how he develops when he can get some PT before we write him off. Also who cares about Mike James? He is a valuable trade asset next year which is all AD was to us anymore.

Posted by: SteveK25 | December 10, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Wiz fan, but I've been living in New Orleans for about 7 years. Having seen nearly every minute of the Mike James era, the Hornets are SO much better off with AD. I'm giddy about it, I just wish he didn't have to be foisted off on the Wizards.

I hope Crittenton turns out awesome, but don't expect great things from MJ. The only think Mike James could reliably do down here was kill 23 seconds. Maybe he'll re-establish his game, but for the Hornets, when he was trying to be a playmaker he didn't score OR make plays for others OR play defense.

Posted by: BillyReubenBrown | December 10, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Wiz fan, but I've been living in New Orleans for about 7 years. Having seen nearly every minute of the Mike James era... when he was trying to be a playmaker, he didn't score, OR make plays for others, OR play defense.

Posted by: BillyReubenBrown | December 10, 2008 6:07 PM

From what you are telling us he will fit in great with the Wizards. Sounds a lot like Gil's game, but since Gilbert throws up 23 shots a game he gets his 20 points.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 10, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

SteveK25, no one ever taught you to disagree without being disagreeable? I don't begrudge you your opinion please don't get heated over mine. Time will reveal who is truly "unlearned."

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 10, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

"Crittenton is not a question mark now. It's been answered."

Yeah right.

It says nothing except that you're a couple of bum "know it alls" think that you know everything and everyone else is wrong.

He was traded from a team for an All-Star in a half of a season to a team with THREE other point guards. When the heck was he supposed to play? Of which he was making the least money and very tradable from a crappy team just trying to get cheaper in Memphis.

IMHO EG pulled another great trade. They got him for nothing, for Juan Carlos Navarro essentially, and has lots of upside. And yes Kalo, height is a significant mismatch in the NBA. Why do you think a lot of teams had him in thier sights last year? Time will tell of his skills, and please don't compare him a to a former #1 pick in the draft who is a head case. He was a McDonalds All American with a 3.5 GPA and that in itself tells me he's a bright kid.

Glad you two know so much, we should all just bow down to you're expertise and let you write Ivan and Mike's blog.

I just remembered why I hardly come here anymore.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 10, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

So it's agree with Ray and like the trade or you're a "bum know it all." I don't claim to know it all. I just expressed my point of view as you so frequently express yours.

If a guy can help a team win, the coach, GM, and the owner don't care who makes what. The Bulls drafted Rose and started him even though they had Hinrich (who's making $10 mil) on the books until 2012. Why did the Lakers draft Crittenton when they just drafted Farmar the year before? Could it be they thought Crittenton might be a better option but discovered that he was not?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 10, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I love the trade. I was hoping that the Wiz would draft either JC or Thaddus Young last two years ago.I do think JC's size will help in defense and getting off his shot. If Juan had his size, he would be a starter. I have seen MJ have some great nights against the Wiz while with Toronto. I felt AD had slowed down a step, ( maybe he still has injury issues) I agree with a previous fan that last year, he went to the basket more In fact, I liked his PG skills better Gilbert. ( he should be a 2 )If the Wiz get into the lottery, they will be awesome next season, but I have not given up for this season. There are a number of teams whose record compares to the Wiz, so it will a battle for a top 3. Last nights game ( Detroit ) they really put it together. ( 7 turnovers ) I loved Dee Brown's quickness, but he didn't get that many assists, and he had no shot. Dixon is getting more assists. ( he learned from Steve Blake )I do enjoy watching the young guys, AB, DM,NY play. They all have good potential. ( Dom as a role player ) In fact, I would have played more down the stretch for defense. Maybe a defense/offense with AJ. Can;t wait to see the new players in action.

Posted by: bailey5 | December 10, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

"You know why because you can't teach height."

Can't teach weight either. Maybe we should trade for some fat guys?

(Bit of advice: threadbare cliches don't actually pass as logic or wisdom.)

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 10, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I tell yawl what', a lot of yawl are likin this trade and I do too. But their is a whole lotta yawl that are hatin on this trade and givin a million reasons why in ain't gonna work.

But, lemme' jus' say this, AD wasn't workin, and our overall point play stunk like the smell of yo' granddaddys' socks.

This proves to me that somebody in Wizards organization understood this and they decided to do somethin' bout' it.

All you Haters' keep hatin', but while you are hatin the Wizards are gonna be Winnin'.

BulletsFan78, I know you are are Wizards fan too, so don't be so hard. Folks be thinkin you ain't for us. How did you like my throwback comment to big Wes a few Blogs back.

BulletsFan78, come wit' me know, say it wit' me know. All you haters that don't have a clue, "If You Don't Know You Better Ask Somebody."

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 10, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

"There have been lots of "big" PGs over the years, but only one ever rose to any noteworthy level of real status or performance: Magic Johnson. The majority of great PGs over the years have been small guys."

Personally, I'm more interested in the combination of size and skill that JC showed in the ACC. But, if you want to talk about whether or not "big" PGs are any good, I would include Deron Williams in that discussion. He is right around 6'4".

Posted by: SportzWiz | December 10, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

"He's just a question mark right now, and nobody really knows the answer."

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 10, 2008 5:07 PM

Hmmmm, I thought you know all the answers.

Posted by: Dave381 | December 11, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

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