Disappointing Game

Last night's game was another mind-numbingly poor performance by the Wizards, who lost to the Indiana Pacers 118-98. As Marc Carig pointed out in this morning's newspaper:

Little ... has gone according to plan for the Wizards this season. And last night, things weren't about to start changing. ... The Wizards lost their third straight game by stubbing their toes on all of their usual obstacles.

(There is some good news: Ivan Carter is feeling better and will be back on the job today.)

Addressing the team's many ailments is a big challenge.

By Alexa Steele |  December 16, 2008; 9:49 AM ET
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each loss is different so is each win, its easy to just group them all together. coach tapp hit it they got tired and discouraged. seems the the post is biased toward mcgee. he takes ill advised shots. seems mom is still coaching him

Posted by: Rvf0509 | December 16, 2008 10:03 AM

the quality of this blog parallels that of the Wizards in comparison with the Caps and its blog...

Posted by: sargeantmofo | December 16, 2008 10:07 AM

I think they got those choices from reading comments on this blog. Those are all pretty much what people have been saying this entire season. There should be an "all of the above" option.

The problem with the Wiz is the same thing it's been last year, the year before that, and so on. Poor ball movement, lack of communication/movement on defense, and haphazard substitutions. Being at the pacers game last night, I can't count how many times the 4 other players stood around while Butler had the ball...kind of like how they were when a certain someone else was healthy, hmm? They were also very sloppy on offense. I kept seeing Jamison set up on the post, only to have Blatche try a cut DIRECTLY in front of him, so that both Jamison's defender and Blatche's defender just had to stick out their hands to pick up the steal. Just bad execution. And the defense...TJ Ford could drive in at will on Dixon, James, or anybody else who tried to guard him. Which brings up the third point. If your guards are that bad at defense, why not play the ONE OF THE ONLY TWO SHOTBLOCKERS ON THE TEAM. McGee got the whole place fired up with his 2 rejections, and more than that deterred the guards from taking/hitting the shot after the penetration. He not just blocked shots, but made them rethink going up with it or forced them to alter the shot...his offense may not be as good as Blatche, but during that fourth quarter run that killed us, he sure as hell would have made a difference. This also applies to DMac. Did anyone catch the 2 blocks in a row, first by DMac than McGee? It was a thing of beauty...and DMac is the only perimeter defender who forced the shooter to alter his shot attempt. All Stevenson and Dixon do is put their hands in the face of the opposing guard, which does very little when there is NO THREAT of a blocked shot.

Posted by: babbtong | December 16, 2008 10:23 AM

Sorry for the rant, but this team really needs to play with some energy. They got out-hustled and man-handled by a higher-energy team. Seems nobody sprints, or even attacks the basket hard besides Butler. Ugh. The Wiz are breaking my heart.

Posted by: babbtong | December 16, 2008 10:27 AM

Of course, as everybody knows, the inability to corral the rebounds really kills them and has been their Achilles heel for some times!"

Well, other then Caron and AJ I think it's more about experience on the floor. Stevenson doesn't rebound(or even score for that matter) and other then those two they are playing a bunch of kids. Jordan never taught them to play defense, let's be honest there. So they are what they are.

IMHO I like what D.Mac brings to the table. Start him and move Caron to the 2. What could it hurt to try it out for a few games? He gives you defense and Stevenson give you nothing.

They should really trade Blatche while he still has value. I just don't see that guy getting any better and you just can't rely on him every night.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 16, 2008 10:28 AM

"Sorry for the rant, but this team really needs to play with some energy."

I agree, and I wrote what I did on the previous blog and pasted it here. D.Mac is a "mini-Rodman" and should be playing more. It really couldn't hurt at this point.

They have the rest of the season to work this out after all. :P

- Ray

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Posted by: Kev29 | December 16, 2008 10:36 AM

THE WIZ PLAYED HARD BUT THEY HAVE ONLY A FEW GENUINE NBA PLAYERS. THE COACH IS A PROMISING REPLACEMENT FOR JORDAN HOWEVER HE DID NOTHING TO HELP HIS TEAM CONSERVE ENERGY FOR A 4TH QUARTER RUN. AS POOR AS THEIR DEFENCE AND REBOUNDING WERE HE MAY HAVE PULLED IT OUT IF HE HAD ALLOWED THE BIG TWO TO REST FOR A FEW MORE MINUTES LATE IN Q-3. I SEE NO REASON TO PLAY STEVENSON OVER YOUNG.YOUNG OFFERS NEW SCORING OPPORTUNITIES WHILE OUR DEFENSIVE STOPPER STOPS NO ONE.

Posted by: kcandlc | December 16, 2008 10:37 AM

Marc Carig's write-up of the game in the Post found Blatche's 19 points to be surprising. I'm not sure why. Despite being jerked around (i.e., inconsistent minutes, different positions, bad press), he's averaging 18 points and 9 boards over 40 minutes.

The only good thing from the game is the realization from Blatche that he didn't play well by not extending effort to rebound and defend. You can only get that message from playing (and then competitive desire). Let's see if adjusts his behavior accordingly.

Posted by: Izman | December 16, 2008 10:40 AM

"They should really trade Blatche while he still has value. I just don't see that guy getting any better.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 16, 2008 10:28 AM"


Except for the fact that Blatche is 22 and has improved every year so far: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andray_blatche/career_stats.html

Posted by: disgruntledfan | December 16, 2008 10:44 AM

God, we need a guy like Murphy or Foster that will mix it up under the boards. Collison from OK City is another PF/C that will mix it up down low. Songaila trys but isn't big enough when we play him at the 5. Blatche and McGee aren't strong enough or tough enough down low, they have to spend a summer drinking power shakes and chained to a weight bench.

Without Haywood the lack of a space eater in the lane is glaring.

He's not rated as one of the top prospects but Tyler Hansbrough is the one college player with the attitude to change the Wiz's soft board work. God, we don't need another perimeter player. Blake Griffin as tough inside and has the sizeas well.

For now go big and play McGuire more and move Butler to the two guard.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | December 16, 2008 10:46 AM

I think it might be time to get the minutes to our young guys who you could use the development. No point in sitting Nick Young and JaVale McGee for 42 minutes of every game if we lose regardless. Why would you not let these guys get 20-30 minutes and let them get some confidence?

Posted by: LooseCannon1 | December 16, 2008 10:51 AM

I hate to say this,but the younguns don't appear to be ready to play in the NBA. As I said before they play as if they are playing college ball and are not getting paid. Beasley,Rudy Gay, Rose and the others seem to be coming along well and are playing NBA caliber ball but not our rookies. Why is that I wonder. Anyway...............

Posted by: ivyleague | December 16, 2008 11:01 AM

"He's not rated as one of the top prospects but Tyler Hansbrough is the one college player with the attitude to change the Wiz's soft board work. God, we don't need another perimeter player. Blake Griffin as tough inside and has the sizeas well.

For now go big and play McGuire more and move Butler to the two guard.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | December 16, 2008 10:46 AM "

I said this already last week.

If Les BouleS luck out even more, maybe Greg Monroe (GU) will come out after this season.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 16, 2008 11:06 AM

"I hate to say this,but the younguns don't appear to be ready to play in the NBA. As I said before they play as if they are playing college ball and are not getting paid. Beasley,Rudy Gay, Rose and the others seem to be coming along well and are playing NBA caliber ball but not our rookies. Why is that I wonder. Anyway..............."

Yea because they are not getting minutes. At this point in our season, we should just let them get time and shake off all the rust. Let the young guys get some confidence. That way when we have a team that can actually compete (with Gilbert and Brendan) we can have a competent bench who knows how to come in a contribute.

Posted by: LooseCannon1 | December 16, 2008 11:15 AM

Free Pech! He's 7 feet tall with a solid base. If he tanks, exile him to Siberia (again). It's worth a try.

As posters have mentioned, McGuire clearly bothered Granger when he was guarding him and he's our best rebounder besides AJ. This dude needs to start. The problem with him is that he has almost zero offense and would need to be surrounded by scorers or the team bogs down. Someone needs to clue him in that he should find 2 spots on the floor and practice spotting up and shooting threes from those spots. That's it. If he can turn himself into a 3 point threat (a la Bowen), it would force defenses to play him honest and would turn him into a valuable NBA player. He also needs to put on a little weight and muscle without compromising his quickness. The Rodman comparison is valid.

GM (and a bunch of us over the years) has suggested moving Cb to guard. This suggestion has been bandied about for over a year or two and Tap experimented with it for a few minutes a couple games ago. If we did this, we could either leave Aj at pf and start Mcguire at the 3 or we could move AJ to sf and start AB along with JM.
Who plays C is up to the best matchup. I believe Jm has the quickness to play pf effectively.
James or Juan at pg provide a scoring threat. This gives us enough height to be able to do some things on the boards.

I personally like the 'Mcguire lineup' because AJ needs to be close to the hoop since he's our best rebounder.
It also means that our second unit contains Juan/james at pg, NY, and whoever doesn't start between AB and JM.

what's clear is hat what we are doing don't work. As I've stated about a million times now...mix it up. Try something new.

Free Pech!

Posted by: original_mark | December 16, 2008 11:23 AM

amen, LooseCannon1.
Sounds like basic NBA coaching 101. This is a lost season. Take the time to improve. I'd rather win 20 games while the young guns get experience than 35 with the vets getting all the minutes.
At this rate, the young guys will STILL be making dumb mistakes next year when we need them. Plus, the inevitable AJ or Cb breakdown is coming if we continue to try to ride them too hard.

Posted by: original_mark | December 16, 2008 11:27 AM

Hey Tap!
This ain't working.
Do something different.
Where are the shots coming from off the sets?
Not many that are not 20 foot J's with a defender in the face.
Ditch the Princeton & try something else.
ANYTHING but what we're doing now.
This ain't working.
Even with Gilbert we will just be a middle of the packer.
Something is WRONG.
Losing games = losing fans.

Posted by: VBFan | December 16, 2008 11:27 AM

Same story over and over again. The team will be way behind and start to catch up just before halftime. Tied them or even takes the lead for a few minutes in the 3rd. Then tiring themselves for all the catching up they lose the lead again and then giving up in the end. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what is wrong.

Posted by: Dave381 | December 16, 2008 11:40 AM

Hope we get Blake Griffin!!!!!

Posted by: beas13 | December 16, 2008 11:40 AM

Free Nick Young! Free Javale McGee! War Jim Rome...

Posted by: elfreako | December 16, 2008 12:00 PM

I would like to see a starting lineup of JM at 5, AJ at 4, AB at 3, CB at 2 and JD at 1. And get Pech 15 minutes at the 4, and DM 15 minutes at the 3 EVERY game. Keep the new pt guard inactive until he can be counted on for 15-20 minutes every game.

We should have enough big bodies to fill the void at the 5, if they worked harded on the boards and used all their fouls.

The PG position is the real problem...of the guys who can dribble penetrate, and since CB seems to have to have the most court vision, why not give him a try at the 1. The Wiz do not have any other respectable options at this point.

Posted by: oddjob1 | December 16, 2008 12:03 PM

This is too funny.

There's actually MORE controversy now with the state of the team than 1-2 years ago when Gilby was the talk of the blog/town.

That's not even including the other debacle of a team that we call Les Skins.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 16, 2008 12:06 PM

I hate to say this,but the younguns don't appear to be ready to play in the NBA. As I said before they play as if they are playing college ball and are not getting paid. Beasley,Rudy Gay, Rose and the others seem to be coming along well and are playing NBA caliber ball but not our rookies. Why is that I wonder. Anyway...............

Posted by: ivyleague | December 16, 2008 11:01 AM

I see somebody already answered this one. Why again, is because NY and McGee do not get the consistent minutes these guys you mentioned do.

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 16, 2008 12:12 PM

I agree, we need a "All of the Above" option on these polls. We got beat in many areas. You cant simply say it was thing or another. Wizards can get beat of defense by 8th graders at this point. The only viable cure is to wait for Brendan and hope for the best in the mean time

http://www.wizardsextreme.com

Posted by: WizardsExtreme | December 16, 2008 12:34 PM

FREE J. MCGEE, NICK YOUNG & OPEC........

TABSCOTT I REALLY THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO BE CALLING BETTER LINEUP'S THEN THE ONES YOU HAVE BEEN CALLING.

YOU NEED TO SCRATCH THAT NOTION OF ALWAYS HAVING AJ AND/OR CB IN AT ALL TIMES. I THINK THEY ARE BOTH GETTING 40 MINUTES A GAME. ARE YOU KIDDING ME....???

YOU NEED TO GIVE MCGEE, NY, AND OPEC MORE MINUTES. YOU NEED TO insert 2 OF THE 3 BIGS (OPEC, AB, MCGEE) IN TOGETHER FOR AT LEAST 20 MINUTES A GAME TOGETHER.

PUT ETAN ON THE INACTIVE LIST, GIVE OPEC SONG.'s MINUTES, GIVE NY STEVENSON'S MINUTES, AND LET MCGEE BACK UP AB AS FIRST BIG OFf OF THE BENCH.

time to start calling the games correctly, Tabscott. Also, thanks for completely killing McGee's game and confidence..... All we needed was another AB we now need to buildup after being torn down by a coach (Eddie J).

*** Eddie J' the one good thing you did do was get McGee to play at a high level and you let him do his thing. Tabscott on the other hand has killed everything you setup in the young man. Let's hope Tabscott finally sees the light.

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 16, 2008 12:38 PM

The Wizards just gave up 118 points to a bad Pacers team, playing on the road in the midst of a six game losing streak.

The story wasn't the playing time for the youngsters, or the substitutions, or anything other than the simple fact that the team just doesn't care enough.

I've seen better defense in a layup line. And if I wanted to see players go 1 on 5 on offense, I'd just go play at the playground.

There is no direction or heart or pride on this team. They've made the decision (consciously or unconsciously) to simply 'go for theirs' at the expense of playing team ball. But I'm not even complaining. Keep boosting your stats (especially you, AJ) in hopes that someone will be dumb enough to trade for you.

And for god's sake, please keep hiding NY on the bench. Let the rest of the league (and apparently a lot of Wizards fans) continue to believe he has potential. Sell him now so someone else can realize that he's just another player in the long line of NBA ballers who don't have a clue about winning or effort. He'll be rich, but he'll never win a thing.

Posted by: bryc3 | December 16, 2008 12:38 PM

I think one of the main problems with the way the team is run is we are both hindering the development of our prospects and may do serious damage to the longevity of Butler and Jamison's career.

Seriously, if we're going to be a lottery team, why play Caron and Antwan 35+ minutes every night? You're just asking for a career-ending injury.

Secondly, if we are lottery bound, then why aren't we playing our younger talent? Is there a point to playing Stevenson (let alone Etan or Juan) when everyone knows he is barely NBA worthy and over the hill? Put in Nick Young. Put in McGee. Put in McGuire. Let them grow some sea legs while we keep losing. There is no point to riding vets in a losing season.

Posted by: awb9h | December 16, 2008 12:38 PM

The problem is there's too much stubborn pride at stake. All of the people (Abe, EJ, Tapscott) who can make the changes that most everyone on this blog seems to generally agree with, won't because it would be admitting they were wrong, wrong, wrong. Wrong about resigning Gilber and AJ; wrong about thinking this team could stay decent until they return; wrong about firing EJ. Wrong about everything. I hate to sound like a pyscho-babble but until they somehow admit that the entire PLAN isn't working, they won't do what's necessary. Their jobs, their reps, their everything rides on this turning out OK. That's why we're not seeing the lineup changes we want, because their too insecure to just come out and say they blew it, but it's time to move on.

Posted by: jweber1 | December 16, 2008 12:45 PM

Play the youngs!! Play the youngs!!

PG - Crittenton, Juan Dixon, Mike James
SG - Nick Young, DeShawn Stevenson
SF - Caron Butler, Antawn Jamison, McGuire
PF - Andray Blatche, Antawn Jamison, Pech
C - Javale McGee, Etan Thomas

That starting five would compete athletically with almost every team in the league. Let them play and learn!! They are at the bottom of the conference!! Dayummmm!!!

Posted by: hamptonpirates89 | December 16, 2008 12:48 PM

As his lone supporter (probably in the country), I'd like to say...

FREE Pech.

Posted by: original_mark | December 16, 2008 12:57 PM

I predict another EG attempt to get Larry Hughes. Etan, Darius & Deshawn for Larry and our old friend Michael Ruffin.

Posted by: rickgonz | December 16, 2008 1:09 PM

He's not rated as one of the top prospects but Tyler Hansbrough is the one college player with the attitude to change the Wiz's soft board work.

Posted by: flohrtv | December 16, 2008 10:46 AM

Hansborough is an excellent college player, but I really don't think he'll be a top NBA player. Could be proven wrong, but he's probably 6-7 or 6-8. Will be a very undersized 4, and not quick enough for 3.

I'm hoping for Griffin, who is not 6-9 himself, but a little more athletic and I think could be more dynamic on both ends.

Just played the ESPN Lottery Game and the Wizards got the #1 pick once in 5 tries. They also think we'd take Rubio with the second or third pick.

Posted by: Kev29 | December 16, 2008 1:10 PM

The most disappointing thing about last nights game was the Sorry, Sorry, Sorry, Totally Inadequate, Incompetent COACHING.

Folks get real and some of you know, these players will not perform when they have this no account coaching to overcome and the team they are playing against.

And words of wisdom, we have some vets on this team that are not old yet, but I have seen two comments on this blog about saving the players cause they ran out of gas in the 3rd quarter.

Ran out of gas, this team don't run. We got gazelles on this team and we walk the dog for three quarters and barely Uptempo for one and you think they are out of gas.

Phooeey, this team was not out of gas, they were and still are, out of good coaching.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 16, 2008 1:19 PM

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 16, 2008 1:19 PM

When McGee plays 20+ mins, here are the averages

Min 24.7
Pts. 10.1
Reb 6.0
Blk 1.7
Opposing team pts. 99.6

When McGee plays less than 20 mins, opponents average 107.1ppg.

It's not the lack of effort on defense, it's the lack of size and athleticism. Put McGee and Blatche in at the same time, opp ppg will come down

Posted by: joecallender20770 | December 16, 2008 1:23 PM

They team seemed to be competitive when they were pushing the tempo last night. Of course, we need to bear in mind that the pacers are among the worst in the league at opposing fg% along with us.

Posted by: original_mark | December 16, 2008 1:25 PM

IT WOIKSSSSS!!!!!

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=385~851~356~3032&teams=4~4~27~27&te=&cash=

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=356~3224~3028~3032~2746~385~808~851&teams=27~27~27~27~4~4~4~4&te=&cash=

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 16, 2008 1:19 PM

DC - I must admit I like both of these. I would hate to have to part with AJ, but it looks like our group we have here now will never be a good defensive team.

With that second trade scnero we get defensive quickness off of the bat. However, I don't see the Bulls doing this deal. It seems to one sided to me, advantage Wiz......

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 16, 2008 1:28 PM

free OPEC..........

original mark I am now on OPEC's bandwagon. Count me in......

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 16, 2008 1:30 PM

Tank you...Tank you very much...

Posted by: PrisonBalls00 | December 16, 2008 1:31 PM

Why,WHY, why would we want Larry (brittle) Hughes???????

Posted by: VBFan | December 16, 2008 2:01 PM

I love playing with the trade machine. But after each one, I struggle to justify what teams would want to take on the contracts we've given out to players. Other than maybe Blatche or Young.

Posted by: Kev29 | December 16, 2008 2:07 PM

"each loss is different"

Not really. Every game follows almost the exact same script: Wiz come out flat, get down early, make a gutsy run to get back in it, then fade down the stretch. In fact, Comcast could save lots of money by not actually sending a crew to the games and instead simply taking tapes of old games and digitally altering the uniforms to match that night's opponent.

"Hansborough is an excellent college player, but I really don't think he'll be a top NBA player. Could be proven wrong, but he's probably 6-7 or 6-8. Will be a very undersized 4, and not quick enough for 3."

Agreed. He's a great college player, but he'll be so overmatched physically in the NBA that much of what he does in college will be negated. He'll still get drafted and probably have a nice career, but it'll be as a utility/role player off someone's bench. He's probably an 8th man on a good team in the NBA.

It's pretty clear at this point that the Wizards book on Pech is that he's a failed pick. I would really, really like to know what Grunfeld saw him doing overseas that convinced him to spend a top 20 pick.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 16, 2008 2:17 PM

"I see somebody already answered this one. Why again, is because NY and McGee do not get the consistent minutes these guys you mentioned do."

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 16, 2008 12:12 PM

Chicken and egg. Are they not ready because they aren't getting minutes, or are they not getting minutes because they're not ready?

Given that the GM and coaching staff get to see these guys in practices and scrimmages and know more about their habits, flaws, and learning curve than anything we could learn by watching the game, I'm going with the latter.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 16, 2008 2:23 PM

at 4-18, no one in the organization should be under the illusion that we are able to compete with the current formula, the fans deserve to see young, mcguire and mcgee, only a dreadful organization keeps stubbornly throwing the same batch of losers out there night after night. The crowd erupted when javale got off the bench and again when he blocked two shots, you owe it to the fans after totally blowing any chance of the playoffs in 1/4 of the season. Deshawn should be cut, he is more valuable getting paid to not show up, who knows someone might actually pick him up and pay part of his salary afterward, in normal jobs once you are awful you get fired, but with guaranteed money we all will be graced by the duece's off the window, off-balance clangers and the miraculous hand over the face motion we all know and love. And songaila is a backup 4, in no way should he play center, ever, mcgee is a center, he should play the 5 and when he fouls out or is entirely gassed blatche should get the remaining minutes at the 5, never darius, he is worth playing only at pf. Please let's us see some sort of accountability for the continuous ineptitude. FREE JAVALE

Posted by: bford1kb | December 16, 2008 2:38 PM

I'll post again, because it is worth considering (serioulsy):

Ladies and Gentleman, I am convinced there is something else going on with this team, you know, more than meets the eye. This was a playoff team last year minus Gil. How on Earth can the same group of guys be THIS much worse?? And don’t tell me Roger Mason and BTH are the x-factors, come on folks, get real. While they are both good players, they do not make the difference b/t a playoff team and a last place team. There is much more going on. Continued…..

Posted by: cj658 | December 16, 2008 2:42 PM

Do you remember all the talk last year, “This team is better without Gil”, and “They are just as good without Gil as they are with him”?? Remember that. Than EG/Abe sign Gil to a record deal to make him the franchise player for the next 6 years. Think about this folks: How would EG/Abe look if the Wiz continued to win without Gil, (just like last year)?? So Gil all of a sudden gets another mysterious “knee surgery” which will keep him out half the season (for debris removal lol, great timing too). So now all of a sudden without Gil the Wizards are ATROCIOUS. Now management, media, and fans are saying we are bad because we are missing our franchise player, the 100 million dollar man, Gilbert. I GUARANTEE you Gil, EG, and Abe are loving each and every minute of watching this team sink lower and lower without him in the lineup. In conclusion, with the Wiz playing so poorly without Gil, it makes him look pretty valuable huh? All the Wiz have to do is be a .500 team when he comes back, and EG/Abe will look like geniuses for the signing. Now I’m no conspiracy theorist, but, well I’ll let you people be the judge of this entire situation.

Posted by: cj658 | December 16, 2008 2:43 PM

Oh, and lastly, I truly, firmly believe everything I just posted above. Please take the time to read it. I honestly believe there is much more going on, and remember guys, this is a business. And signing Gil was a HUGE business move, with potential for LARGE risk/reward. I truly believe the fans are being played, and management/coaching had this all planned out the day they signed Gil. Call me crazy (I don't care), but I truly believe it.

Sure, Abe doesn’t want empty seats, but he is willing to sacrifice empty seats for 1 season, if that means full seats for the remaining 5 years on Gils contract. Again, I think this planned from the beginning. And honestly, I think the vets are in on it too. DS, AJ, & CB. It’s all about $, and no telling how much EG is compensating them for tanking. It accomplishes 2 things for Ernie: A) he gets a reason to fire Ej, so he can bring his own guy in, & B) it will make the Gil signing look brilliant when Gil returns. It is making fans miss Gil, and people are staring to believe Gil was the real reason for the team’s success (far from true). Ernie killed two birds with one stone. And he could not have done it without the help of his 3 vets, who are all getting damn near 40 mins a game. (not a coincidence).

Posted by: cj658 | December 16, 2008 2:44 PM

Sorry about 3 long threads in a row, but please take the time to read them. Some maty think I'm a "ludacris moran", but that's okay. I just think this was worth considering, as for me, I believe it is the truth. Seriously though.

Posted by: cj658 | December 16, 2008 2:46 PM

The top need on this team is a nasty guy in the middle who hits people. Actually, they need two of them but let's be real.

Can Ricky Mahorn still get up and down the floor? At all?

Posted by: SteveMG | December 16, 2008 2:47 PM

I don’t understand how a coach can watch his team get crushed on the boards by Jeff Foster, Troy Murphy and that other center that was playing last night and not put in some size. I don’t know how many times I yelled at the TV saying “They’re too small.” I’m a big supporter I AB starting. I think he’s plays much better as a starter rather than coming off the bench. However, he’s not a center (although I’d much rather see him playing center than DS). The only two centers on this team are BH and JM. BH is hurt so you’ve got to play your other center. That is the most frustrating thing about watching the Wizards. Each coach we’ve had wants’ to play small. I think Bulletsfever (BTW love the website) said the coach is playing small and slow. I always thought teams went small to pick up the pace of the game. This coach plays small and slow. That’s another reason why we’re getting killed on the boards.

Also what is this love affair ET has DS. It’s just as bad as EJ’s love affair with Ethan. Maybe it’s me, but I just don’t see this great defender. Definitely not enough where he deserves 33 minutes and NY only deserves 5. For all the good ET is doing with taking AB out of the doghouse it’s counterbalanced by the terrible job he’s doing with NY.

Lastly, is anyone tired of hearing the guys on the radio and TV praises AJ and CB. And most annoying is Buck and Phil’s lack of commentary on player rotation and line ups. It would have been nice to hear somebody say “maybe a taller lineup may help with the rebounding tonight.” Oh well.

Posted by: 33dgriffin | December 16, 2008 2:48 PM

Really!!! Jamison is an all-star for being on a playoff team with Gilbert. The Wizards will make a high energy defensive stop, then Jamison will light up the three pointer and miss as though he's Gilbert Arenas.

Jamison will not provide no rebounds offensive or defensive rebounds. No defense. Will leave his guy open and just throw up his hands and the player he's defending will make the shot every time. He only cares about offense and this is supposed to be an all star veteran. Steveson is no help this either.

I think the Wizards need to trade Stevenson and Jamison for a Guard and Forwards...Oh, I forgot we have two good ones Blatche and McGuire.

Next year our starting line up should be Arenas, Haywood, Butler, Blatche and McGee

Posted by: clifton3 | December 16, 2008 2:54 PM

None of the young guys are lottery picks, what do we expect? We have a 2005 49th pick 22 yr old with no work ethic(Blatche) a 16th pick 23 yr old in his second year(Young) an 18th pick 23 yr old in his second year(Pecherov) a 47th pick 23 yr old in his second year(McGuire) and an 18th pick 20 yr old in his first year (McGee).
Then we have Mike James (has avg'd 11 mpg the last three seasons), Etan Thomas (not an NBA rotation player anymore), Deshawn Stevenson (a guy who in summer 2006 could only get a one year contract for the league minimum), Juan Dixon (would not be in the NBA this season were it not for the Wizards), Javaris Crittenton (4th-string PG on a Grizzlies team thats 9-15; also 19th pick in 2007 draft in his second yr, 21 yrs old), Darius Songaila (who's out of position at well...every position), and then two allstars.
What do we expect?
Six non-lottery picks in their first three years in the league. Four players with zero demand in the NBA (Mike James, De-Brick, Etan Thomas, and Juan Dixon). Then Darius Songaila and the two all-stars in Butler and a 32 yr old Jamison.

Posted by: emmet1 | December 16, 2008 2:56 PM

I read it, cj658 and I still believe that losing BTH was a bigger blow than we thought it would be. Sure, we're scoring less than last year but the main difference between this year and last is the defense and our TOTAL inability to stop ppl from coming down the middle of the lane at will. I see guards driving on both JM and AB and some times they don't even attempt to block it. The fear of getting a foul and getting yanked deters them.
Aggression can be taught but the lack of it can also be learned. Our big guys are like Pavlov's dog. They have been conditioned to avoid fouls by laying back and not attempting to deter drivers. What we SHOULD be teaching them is to lay some serious wood on the first couple of guys that come down the lane. With multimillion dollar contracts at stake, getting floored really would be a deterrent. If you can't block their shot, knock them into the support.

Also, BTH may not have been getting 10 rebounds per game but he was surely getting in the way and preventing a lot of these cheap second chance rebounds like we keep giving up nowadys..

Posted by: original_mark | December 16, 2008 2:56 PM

think what you will, but gil was the number one reason for our success, he proved himself to be unguardable, got consistent points from the line to curb the effect of low% shooting games, and was flat out lethal with the game on the line, this might be something you want in close games, well any game for that matter. By far the best memories of the bullets and wiz in my lifetime has been gilbert, winning 5 games with buzzer beaters including a playoff game that stole momentum and basically gave us the series, dropping 50 on the lakers in ot win and then three days later 50 for d'antoni and the suns, another w, actually making washington a city where a big-time free agent might considering going (who before gil, came as a free agent and came anything close to his impact? yea no one), lets not forget.

Posted by: bford1kb | December 16, 2008 2:57 PM

the "we're better without gil talk" seems to be pretty quiet now huh?

Posted by: bford1kb | December 16, 2008 3:01 PM

"Jamison will not provide no rebounds offensive or defensive rebounds."

Jamison has been the team's leading rebounder for pretty much as long as he's been a Wizard.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 16, 2008 3:08 PM

jamison is a stat guy, his boards are from good positioning and being quick off his feet, not gutsy physical play, he may rebound well, but he won't win the fight one on one for a rebound.

Posted by: bford1kb | December 16, 2008 3:12 PM

Is there some secret to getting past the filter? I made a relatively long post but then got a message about having it reviewed by the blog moderator.

Posted by: nate33 | December 16, 2008 3:13 PM

Something needs to be done about Tapscott's preference to play Stevenson over Young. It has reached the point of absurdity. Let me throw a few statistics that help convey the extent of Deshawn Stevenson's ineptitude.

Stevenson currently ranks as THE WORST SHOOTER IN THE HISTORY OF THE NBA. This is not hyberbole. He is literally the worst shooter in NBA history. If you run a screen of all NBA players since 1960, counting only those who have played 20+ games and average 25+ minutes, Deshawn Stevenson has the lowest FG%.
See here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/tiny.cgi?id=bRwVD

Posted by: nate33 | December 16, 2008 3:15 PM

If you look at all 3-point shoooters in NBA history averaging at least 4 3-point attempts per game, Stevenson's 3-point-percentage ranks 4th to last. Only 3 players in history have shot worse than him from 3-point range.
See here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/tiny.cgi?id=DMba6

Posted by: nate33 | December 16, 2008 3:16 PM

How (un)talented are the Wizards? As a team, the Wizards would be a 26th pick hmmm...and we're 28th place in the league this year.
Avg. draft position 26.3
W/o Arenas and Haywood, avg is 26.46
W/o Arenas Haywood Butler and Jamison, avg is 30
W/o A, H, B, J, and James (the “61st” pick)- avg is 27

Crittenton-19th
Songaila -50th
Dixon -17th
Thomas 12th
James- Undrafted (Well say 61st)
Butler -10th
Jamison -4th
Haywood -20th
Arenas -31st
Stevenson -23rd
Young-16th
Blatche-49th
Pech-18th
McGuire- 47th
McGee-18th

Before the trade, minus James and Crittenton and with Brown(46th) and Daniels (4th) we avg'd 24.3.

Posted by: emmet1 | December 16, 2008 3:17 PM

Stevenson also happens to be among the worst free throw shooters among all the shooting guards in NBA history. I couldn't run a screen specifically for shooting guards, but if you look only at all players with a height between 6-3 and 6-6 who average less than 5 assists per game (to rule out big PG's), Stevenson has the 16th worst FT percentage in NBA history.
See here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/tiny.cgi?id=oVleO

Posted by: nate33 | December 16, 2008 3:17 PM

And finally, not only is Stevenson an historically inefficient shooter, he also happens to be terrible at filling up the rest of the box score. Only 13 players in modern NBA history have managed to average fewer points, rebounds and assists per minute than Deshawn Stevenson. Ironically, thanks to our brilliant coaching staff, Stevenson has managed to average more minutes per game than all of them except one.
See here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/tiny.cgi?id=chKWY

Posted by: nate33 | December 16, 2008 3:18 PM

The suggestion that the team is intentionally orchestrating the worst record in the conference (and franchise history), turning themselves into an embarrassing laughingstock and undoing all the work they did getting back to respectability just to make themselves look good when Arenas comes back is crazy on a "bigfoot had sex with my wife" level.

"How on Earth can the same group of guys be THIS much worse??"

Because (A) it's not the same group of guys. In addition to Arenas, two key contributors in Mason and Haywood are gone and (B) Last season they succeeded because a bunch of guys (Jamison, Mason, Haywood, Bulter, Blatche, Daniels) had career best 9or near best) years; that's not the kind of thing that's easily sustained two years in a row (esp. given that the result of all that effort last season was another 1st round exit). A letdown was inevitable.

They burned themselves out trying to keep their heads above water without Arenas. The well was dry when they had to go back to it this time.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 16, 2008 3:20 PM

"the "we're better without gil talk" seems to be pretty quiet now huh?"

Posted by: bford1kb | December 16, 2008 3:01 PM


Thanks for proving my point. That's exactly what EG, ABE, & Gil want you to think. Hence the teams horrid start. It's no coincidence. 4-18, come on, that's not even plausable with the amount of talent this team has without Gil.

Posted by: cj658 | December 16, 2008 3:21 PM

I hate to say this,but the younguns don't appear to be ready to play in the NBA. As I said before they play as if they are playing college ball and are not getting paid. Beasley,Rudy Gay, Rose and the others seem to be coming along well and are playing NBA caliber ball but not our rookies. Why is that I wonder. Anyway...............

Posted by: ivyleague | December 16, 2008 11:01 AM


Ummmmmmmmmmmmm...........MAYBE BECAUSE THOSE GUYS WERE TOP 5 PICKS??????

Posted by: virtueandvice | December 16, 2008 3:22 PM

For comparison, the Hornets avg. a 21st pick with their undrafted Devin Brown counted as a 61st pick, and avg. an 18th pick without Brown included in the avg.

Posted by: emmet1 | December 16, 2008 3:24 PM

"jamison is a stat guy, his boards are from good positioning and being quick off his feet, not gutsy physical play, he may rebound well, but he won't win the fight one on one for a rebound."

That's (A) not strictly true; winning a "one-on-one" fight for a rebound doesn't necessarily require him to "outfight" anyone. If he beats an opponent by out jumping, out-quicking, or out-hustling him, then the net effect is the same as if he does it by physical strength; and (B) irrelevant. Doesn't matter how he gets them; the fact is he gets them, and he gets more of them than anyone else on the team. There's a lot of things you can criticize the guy for, but his rebounding isn't one of them.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 16, 2008 3:25 PM

"The suggestion that the team is intentionally orchestrating the worst record in the conference (and franchise history), turning themselves into an embarrassing laughingstock and undoing all the work they did getting back to respectability just to make themselves look good when Arenas comes back is crazy on a "bigfoot had sex with my wife" level."

Again, this is a business. Signing Gil was a long-term, large investment. Abe/EG are willing to sacrifice 1 year, for the bigger picture, trust me. You mention BTH & mason, there is not a snowballs chance in hell these 2 guys are the difference b/t a .500 team and a 4-18 team. At this rate, I see the Wiz winning 15 games. Going from .500 to DEAD LAST is a significant drop off. Mason and BTH are average roll-players on their best days. They are not the difference b/t a playoff team and dead last team.

Posted by: cj658 | December 16, 2008 3:27 PM

honestly they should have an "all of the above" option

Posted by: Marine4Life51 | December 16, 2008 3:53 PM

Play the young guys, bench DS, keep DSong out of the 5, stats for this and against this. All this is good.

But there is one thing that negates everything and I mean everything.

Bad Donkey Coaching. I wouldn't pick Etaps to coach Family Reunion Team.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 16, 2008 4:31 PM

Kal, I largely agree with that point re Jamison's rebounding -- one of the best rebounders ever, Dennis Rodman, was all about positioning, anticipation, and quickness (and holding, scratching, and kicking) rather than muscle. But I have also always felt that Jamison picks up some of his defensive rebounds because he's so often beaten off the dribble and whoever's playing the 5 has to rotate over to close out the lane. So yeah, AJ gets those rebounds, and kudos for that, but then you have fans yelling about how few boards Brendan or Blatche has. That's not to absolve Brendan last year or Blatche now for lack of focus and being soft for their size -- which they are -- it's only to point out that those guys have to give up rebounding position to cover for AJ's matador defense. One thing that's become obvious this year is that Brendan was covering up a multitude of defensive laps at the 4.

Posted by: Prazak | December 16, 2008 4:36 PM

"Why,WHY, why would we want Larry (brittle) Hughes???????

Posted by: VBFan | December 16, 2008 2:01 PM "

Why, why, why would we want Gilby (3 knee surgeries, dislocated clavicle, pulled abdominal muscle, no defense, me first, etc.) Arenas, especially for max money!!!!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 16, 2008 5:57 PM

"I love playing with the trade machine. But after each one, I struggle to justify what teams would want to take on the contracts we've given out to players. Other than maybe Blatche or Young.

Posted by: Kev29 | December 16, 2008 2:07 PM "

I'd have to think that come playoffs time, teams out there would want some firepower and rebounding from a "big." Defense might not be an issue for a West team, especially if this dude is a hired gun.

Therefore, some team may have interest in MeTawn.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 16, 2008 5:59 PM

"the "we're better without gil talk" seems to be pretty quiet now huh?

Posted by: bford1kb | December 16, 2008 3:01 PM"

Les BouleS did just as well without Gilby last season as they did with him.

In case you didn't notice, BTH, the cog in the middle on the defensive end, is out.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 16, 2008 6:03 PM

"jamison is a stat guy, his boards are from good positioning and being quick off his feet, not gutsy physical play, he may rebound well, but he won't win the fight one on one for a rebound.

Posted by: bford1kb | December 16, 2008 3:12 PM "

He is.

He'll get his numbers, but the only number that count is in the win column.

I've yet to see him take the team by the throat and carry it. He can't do it, and never has, despite his stats.

Also, he avoids contact inside, doesn't get to the FT line as much as he should, and prefers to just shoot from the outside.

Defense is foreign to him.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 16, 2008 6:06 PM

I wouldn't trust you to feed my cat. And your argument makes no sense.

A season like they're having is guaranteed to drive fans away. Any businessman will tell you that once you lose customers because of inferior product, getting them back is tough duty. No businessman in his right mind would intentionally drive away customers in order to implement some diabolical scheme to win them back later. That's just stupid.

"there is not a snowballs chance in hell these 2 guys are the difference b/t a .500 team and a 4-18 team."

And, as I noted, there are many reasons (in addition to their absence) why this team isn't as good as last years. you just choose to ignore them because they didn't fit your scenario and you couldn't come up with a workable argument to refute them. Business as usual, in other words.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 16, 2008 7:16 PM

Don't really buy that, Prazak . If the Cs are rotating over to cover Jamison's man in the lane after he's been beaten off the dribble, wouldn't they be closer to the basket than Jamison, and thus in better rebounding position?

Look, nobody's saying Jamison is Bill Russell, but he's a solid rebounder given that he's undersized and often matched up against bigger players. The guy's got plenty of faults as a player, so I can't quite fathom why people feel the need to jump through hoops to make up additional ones.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 16, 2008 7:20 PM

he's a smart player therefore he rebounds well but he just doesn't give you the physical edge that normally coincides with the rebounding statistic and good d

Posted by: bford1kb | December 17, 2008 2:57 AM

Kal, being close to the rim doesn't get you rebounds, positioning gets you rebounds: the Cs have their body on a big man or are fighting a big man for defensive rebounding position, and suddenly they need to rotate over to protect the paint against someone who's just dribbled past AJ. Yeah, that cuts down the number of rebounds they're getting, and AJ, who comes trailing behind the shooter has a clear path to the hoop and nobody necessarily putting a body on him.

Posted by: Prazak | December 17, 2008 12:07 PM

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