The Other Side: Detroit Pistons (UPDATED)


I don't look weird in this uniform, but we don't look that good with me in this uniform -- yet. (Photo by D. Clarke Evans/NBAE via Getty Images)


At his introductory press conference with the Detroit Pistons, Allen Iverson said the transition for himself and his new team "might not be peaches and cream in the beginning." But even then, Iverson probably didn't expect his time in Detroit to be this much of an eyesore. The Pistons are just 7-8 since they added Iverson. In the past month, Iverson skipped a practice, Tayshaun Prince complained about his new role at point forward, Iverson asked for more scoring opportunities and Richard Hamilton was ejected after getting two technical fouls two days ago in New York.

It hasn't been all bad, as evidenced by a recent road win in San Antonio. But ESPN.com's Marc Stein recently spoke to an advance scout who said that the Pistons are not a top team right now. After opening the season with four straight wins, the Pistons are tied with New Jersey for the fifth-best record in the Eastern Conference and trail Cleveland by 5½ games in the Central Division.

As Iverson plays his first game at Verizon Center in a Pistons uniform, Detroit is trying to end a two-game slide. This is the first time the Wizards get to see Iverson -- they will see him again next Wednesday -- but the second time they face the Pistons this season. Detroit won the first meeting on Nov. 1, as Walter "Fabio" Hermann came off the bench to score 16 points in a 117-109 win. Detroit made the trade for Iverson two days later.

Here's what you need to know about Detroit heading into the game:

1. Stuckey's a Starter
With Richard Hamilton and Allen Iverson failing to mesh offensively, and Kwame Brown providing little more than a big body in the middle, rookie Coach Michael Curry has decided to put promising second-year guard Rodney Stuckey into the starting lineup, while pushing Brown to the bench. The Pistons will go with a lineup of Stuckey and Iverson in the backcourt, Hamilton and Prince at the forwards and Rasheed Wallace at center. Stuckey is averaging 12 points, 3.8 rebounds and 6.5 assists in his last six games.

2. They Still Miss That Other Guy
As the Pistons sputter, it's impossible not to notice the impact Chauncey Billups has had on the Denver Nuggets since the Iverson deal. The Nuggets have gone 13-4 since adding Billups, with Nene and Carmelo Anthony falling in line. The Detroit News' Chris McCosky writes that Billups' absence from the Pistons is being felt more and more in the fourth quarter.

3. McDyess Is McBack
Keeping with Iverson's "peaches and cream" theme, the Pistons locker room might blare a little "Peaches & Herb" this evening. Antonio McDyess and the Pistons have finally "Reunited." McDyess was traded to Denver, along with Billups, but he never wanted to return to the Nuggets. After sitting out the past month, McDyess re-signed with the Pistons today. He should help out Detroit's front line and help cut back on Rasheed Wallace's minutes.

By Michael Lee |  December 9, 2008; 11:46 AM ET
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Wow. Noontime and zero comments posted in response to the Pistons preview.

Ivan,
Do you keep any sort of traffic statistics for blog posts on here? Curious how far down the traffic is and whether the Washington Post tracks this and uses as carrot/stick. Maybe you can correlate the drop off to the registration requirement and just blame it on that.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | December 9, 2008 12:27 PM

The Pistons are just 7-8 since they added Iverson, while the Nuggets have gone 13-4 since adding Billups.

A team needs a true point guard to win a championship in the NBA and the Wizards wasted 111 million on Gilbert who is a second rate version of AI. Both of them take too many shots, will not pass the ball, refuse to play defense, and are not a true point guards.

But, for ABE, Gilbert’s style of basketball made it exciting, which brought the fans to the Verizon Center and put cash in ABE’s pocket.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 9, 2008 12:54 PM

Everybody should take a look at Stuckey tonight to see how he would fair in the backcourt with Arenas (or with NY when Young substitutes for Arenas).

When you have two all-stars, have already fired the coach and you're still 3-14, it's time for a trade.

If the team doesn't want to trade their draft choice, then they have given up on the season and should play JM, AB and NY for 30-35 minutes a game.

The current mentality has them on a lose now and lose later course.

Posted by: Izman | December 9, 2008 1:16 PM

"The Pistons are just 7-8 since they added Iverson, while the Nuggets have gone 13-4 since adding Billups.

A team needs a true point guard to win a championship in the NBA and the Wizards wasted 111 million on Gilbert who is a second rate version of AI. Both of them take too many shots, will not pass the ball, refuse to play defense, and are not a true point guards.

But, for ABE, Gilbert’s style of basketball made it exciting, which brought the fans to the Verizon Center and put cash in ABE’s pocket.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 9, 2008 12:54 PM "

AI though, was able to carry the Sixers into the finals until he ran into a freight train called Shaq and Kobe.

Gilby though, hasn't had as much success.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 9, 2008 1:25 PM

"A team needs a true point guard to win a championship in the NBA."

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 9, 2008 12:54 PM

Except for all of the times in recent years when the NBA champ didn't have a true point guard. (See, e.g., Bulls, Chicago; Lakers, Los Angeles; Spurs, San Antonio; etc.)

Posted by: disgruntledfan | December 9, 2008 1:40 PM

"Except for all of the times in recent years when the NBA champ didn't have a true point guard. (See, e.g., Bulls, Chicago; Lakers, Los Angeles; Spurs, San Antonio; etc.)

Posted by: disgruntledfan | December 9, 2008 1:40 PM "

You either have to have superstar franchise future HOF players, or a true point guard.

Les BouleS have neither.

BTW, I would consider Tony Parker a true point guard.

Also BTW, all three teams you mentioned played solid defense. That's a foreign word to Les BouleS.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 9, 2008 1:45 PM

Except for all of the times in recent years when the NBA champ didn't have a true point guard. (See, e.g., Bulls, Chicago; Lakers, Los Angeles; Spurs, San Antonio; etc.)
Posted by: disgruntledfan | December 9, 2008 1:40 PM
The Lakers had Derek Fisher, the Bulls had John Paxson, and the Spurs had Tony Parker all three of them looked to pass first, but could score when needed. Kobe fought to get Fisher back on the Lakers and it looks like they are doing pretty good this year.
Do you really think Gil wants to pass first or is he worried about his own stats?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 9, 2008 2:04 PM

Derek Fisher was primarily a defender and spot up shooter for the Lakers in their title years. The offense ran through Shaq and Kobe. Also, in the triangle offense, a "true" PG isn't really a necessity.

Parker is and always has been primarily a scorer who looks to get to the hoop on penetration. His career apg is the same as Arenas'.

John Paxson? A "true" PG? Seriously? Hahahahahaha!

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 9, 2008 2:28 PM

TRAFFIC IS WAY DOWN....

Everyone went over to capitals insider...

The Wiz are a JOKE...

Posted by: DCSPORTS | December 9, 2008 2:34 PM

"Parker is and always has been primarily a scorer who looks to get to the hoop on penetration. His career apg is the same as Arenas'.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 9, 2008 2:28 PM "

It just doesn't make sense to say Parker has always been primarily a scorer when at most, Parker has averaged 16.9 shots/game (this season) while at most, Gilby has averaged 20.9 shots/game.

Everbody knows that Gilby is a shoot first me guard.

Everybody also knows that Parker isn't a shoot first me guard, but instead, looks to get his team running first.

That's why in 2006-07 and 2005-06, the Spurs averaged as a team, more assists than Les BouleS.

22.1 vs. 20.2 (06-07)
20.9 vs. 18.6 (05-06)

That means the Spurs play better as a team and don't necessarily rely on one single person (eg. Chris Paul) to rack up assists.

Also, Gilby's Assists to TO ratio is 1.88 vs. 2.20 for Parker in 06-07, while it was 1.63 vs. 1.85 for 05-06.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 9, 2008 3:16 PM

"It just doesn't make sense to say Parker has always been primarily a scorer when at most, Parker has averaged 16.9 shots/game (this season) while at most, Gilby has averaged 20.9 shots/game."

So? The fact that Arenas takes more shots than Parker is irrelevant. That has nothing to do with my comment because I never said Parker was as much of a scorer as Arenas. He's not. But he is a score first PG and always has been.

"That means the Spurs play better as a team and don't necessarily rely on one single person (eg. Chris Paul) to rack up assists."

Which either (A) has nothing to do with whether Parker looks to score before passing or (B)actually underscores my point that Parker is not an assist first playmaker, because he doesn't play in a system that requires him to be. But the one thing it clearly does not do is disprove the point that Parker is a score-first PG.

"Also, Gilby's Assists to TO ratio is 1.88 vs. 2.20 for Parker in 06-07, while it was 1.63 vs. 1.85 for 05-06."

Again ... so? I never said anything about ATO and it has no relevance to the issue at hand (i.e., whether Parker is more of a scorer than a playmaker).

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 9, 2008 3:39 PM

Loyal Fans,
I understand everyone if frustrated with the way things are going, but we are not out of the playoffs yet. Remeber - we need to meet our Fiscal goals as well. Please be sure to purchase RedskinsTM merchadise at authorized dealers. It's important to have the latest and greatest shirt/hat/banner/jacket.
Mr. Snyder

Posted by: MrDanSnyder | December 9, 2008 4:05 PM

Gilbert's career assist average is 5.5 assists per game. Tony Parker's career assist average is 5.5 assists per game.

Accordingly, it is clear and indisputable that Parker is a pure, pass-first point guard, and Arenas is a shoot-first, selfish shot jacker.

Posted by: disgruntledfan | December 9, 2008 4:07 PM

"Which either (A) has nothing to do with whether Parker looks to score before passing or (B)actually underscores my point that Parker is not an assist first playmaker, because he doesn't play in a system that requires him to be. But the one thing it clearly does not do is disprove the point that Parker is a score-first PG.

"Also, Gilby's Assists to TO ratio is 1.88 vs. 2.20 for Parker in 06-07, while it was 1.63 vs. 1.85 for 05-06."

Again ... so? I never said anything about ATO and it has no relevance to the issue at hand (i.e., whether Parker is more of a scorer than a playmaker).

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 9, 2008 3:39 PM "

A point guard shoots and dishes, but is the primary playmaker on the team. That's his job.

Here's the math.

Gilby= 20.9 shots/5.5 assists = 3.8 shot/assist ratio

Parker = 16.9 shots/5.5 assists = 3.07 shot/assist ratio.

Now we see that Gilby focuses more on shooting compared to Parker, thus fitting the label of a shoot first guard. When you shoot less, that means you focus less on scoring, and more on setting up, but whether that amounts to a statistical assist is not guaranteed.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 9, 2008 4:29 PM

Check it:

The Grizzlies are talking to the Wizards about a trade that would send Javaris Crittenton to Washington and allow Memphis to reclaim the first-round pick it dealt for the rights to Spaniard Juan Carlos Navarro in 2007.

http://www.thememphisedge.com/2008/12/09/crittenton-close-to-being-dealt/

That pick was never coming back here as a first rounder, so why not? Bye bye Juan, I'd guess. Maybe Dee?

Posted by: PostRockDavid | December 9, 2008 5:01 PM

Check it:

The Grizzlies are talking to the Wizards about a trade that would send Javaris Crittenton to Washington and allow Memphis to reclaim the first-round pick it dealt for the rights to Spaniard Juan Carlos Navarro in 2007.

http://www.thememphisedge.com/2008/12/09/crittenton-close-to-being-dealt/

That pick was never coming back here as a first rounder, so why not? Bye bye Juan, I'd guess. Maybe Dee?

Posted by: PostRockDavid | December 9, 2008 5:01 PM

For that treade to happen the Wizards would have to match the 1.3 million that Javaris Crittenton makes. They would either need to trade both Juan and Dee or OP because he makes 1.4? There is no way cheap ABE is going to let this team go over the Luxury cap.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 9, 2008 5:23 PM

at that price, why not. anything more and id be unhappy.

Posted by: PindarPushkin | December 9, 2008 5:28 PM

IVAN -

CAN we get an update on ARENAS. How is he doing? What is he doing?

If you had to guess when would he come back? 2 weeks? 1 months?

CLEVELAND GAME JAN 4th?

Posted by: DCSPORTS | December 9, 2008 5:28 PM

We are in DC. How can our own beat reporters lose an actual scoop on a Wiz trade in the middle of the season. you guys must be at dinner with JLC. You STINK.

Posted by: dougieyoung1 | December 9, 2008 6:04 PM

cmon guys where's a crittenton update? now the memphis paper is saying that the deal requires the wiz to make another move first.

what's the possibilities? buyout Etan? trade OPEC for a trade exception? ship out daniels?

cmon ivan (and michael) give us something

Posted by: PindarPushkin | December 9, 2008 6:05 PM

Parker is and always has been primarily a scorer who looks to get to the hoop on penetration. His career apg is the same as Arenas'.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 9, 2008 2:28 PM


There you go again Kal, have you ever watched a Spurs game? Parker brings the ball up sets up their offense and if the other team collapses on Duncan he passes the ball back outside and then Parker will try to score.

Gilbert runs down the court throws up a wild shot and the other guys stand around hoping he might pass them the ball. If you just look at the numbers without watching the games AJ on paper looks like an all start power forward, anyone who has ever watched him play knows he never plays defense and will not play physical. Yes, numbers lie.


Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 9, 2008 6:07 PM

just an FYI to the sub-topic in this post about traffic being down. Anything Wiz related is suffering, the forums over at http://www.wizardsextreme.com are super slow since the Wiz went into a slump. no one is joining!

oh well..hang in there, we shall over come

Wiz actually have a small chance of winning tonight, lets hope so

Posted by: WizardsExtreme | December 9, 2008 6:27 PM

Javaris Crittenton is a hot topic and no update...

I am interested to see what goes down

Posted by: mikejc80 | December 9, 2008 6:34 PM

"There you go again Kal, have you ever watched a Spurs game? Parker brings the ball up sets up their offense and if the other team collapses on Duncan he passes the ball back outside and then Parker will try to score.

Gilbert runs down the court throws up a wild shot and the other guys stand around hoping he might pass them the ball. If you just look at the numbers without watching the games AJ on paper looks like an all start power forward, anyone who has ever watched him play knows he never plays defense and will not play physical. Yes, numbers lie.


Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 9, 2008 6:07 PM "

I can tell you watch the games.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 9, 2008 7:48 PM

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