Trade Odds and Ends

Interesting day. Funny, but I rolled out of the rack early this morning with a feeling that something was going to go down.

Anyway, a few leftovers from today's trade:

-Teams always say they like like what they get in a trade situation but this one really does appear to work for all three teams. The team with the least productive backcourt in the league (the Wizards) gets a veteran (Mike James) who can score and swing between two guard spots and a promising young player (Javaris Crittenton) who they liked in the first place.

The Hornets get a veteran backup (AD) who doesn't have to play heavy minutes and can run Byron Scott's pick-and-roll game. Memphis sheds one of many guards and gets back a conditional first-round pick it lost to the Wiz in the Juan Carlos Navarro deal.

-This not the first time the Wizards were close to a trade. Sources tell me that the team was on the verge of a deal that would have sent Daniels, Etan Thomas and another player (maybe Dee Brown) to Chicago in October for Larry Hughes but the deal was put off when Hughes (shocker) injured his shoulder.

-Injured center Brendan Haywood said he's getting that cast off of his right wrist on Dec. 22. Then, It all depends on how the wrist heals. "Only Gilbert Arenas gives set dates," Haywood said. "I'll wait for doctors to tell me I'm clear and ready to go." Haywood said the doctors have given him no idea when that may be. The team originally set a four- to six-month timetable.

By Ivan Carter |  December 10, 2008; 6:12 PM ET
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HEY ivan what more can we expect in the uncoming weeks more trades or what.

Posted by: brandonjamal13 | December 10, 2008 6:19 PM

I just hope this works. Pleeeease, Brendan and Gilbert come back. I have no interest in a lottery pick. I want them to get good, and maybe we'll have something going next year. We got youth, and great veterans. We shouldnt suck. I hate injuries.

Posted by: mistaheffa | December 10, 2008 6:19 PM

Washington and New Orleans both get something tangible, but for Memphis the deal was less about what they got back 9which is a draft pick that, had they ever given it to Washington, likely would have been a middling second rounder) than what they got rid of: salary. They just shed about $1.5 mill of what's already the lowest payroll in the NBA. And people complain that Pollin is cheap.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 10, 2008 6:21 PM

Does anybody out there realize that this team is only 5 games out of the 8 seed? There are only 4 teams in the East that Les Wiz cannot beat: BOS, CLE, ORL & ATL.

I'll just come out and say it - this team should be able to scrap its way into the playoffs.

Posted by: elfreako | December 10, 2008 6:33 PM

I'm a Wiz fan, but I've been living in New Orleans for about 7 years. Having seen nearly every minute of the Mike James era... when he was trying to be a playmaker, he didn't score, OR make plays for others, OR play defense.

Posted by: BillyReubenBrown | December 10, 2008 6:07 PM

From what you are telling us he will fit in great with the Wizards. Sounds a lot like Gil's game, but since Gilbert throws up 23 shots a game he gets his 20 points.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 10, 2008 6:36 PM

You forgot the Knicks and the Heat.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 10, 2008 6:37 PM

They just shed about $1.5 mill of what's already the lowest payroll in the NBA. And people complain that Pollin is cheap.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 10, 2008 6:21 PM

Kal

I wouldn't call ABE cheap if I worked in the Wizards PR department like you.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 10, 2008 6:37 PM

Memphis sheds one of many guards and gets back a conditional first-round pick it lost to the Wiz in the Juan Carlos Navarro deal.
Memphis just shed about $1.5 mill of what's already the lowest payroll in the NBA. And people complain that Pollin is cheap.

Looks like Memphis is planning on rebuilding through the draft. Kal they have two more wins then the Wizards. ABE is cheap since he would not resign Mason because he will not exceed the luxury cap even if that means the team will be better.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 10, 2008 6:41 PM

Who knows what this means. AD has not lost a step but he lost a portion of a step. Maybe 1/2, still he played hard and I'm not saying good riddance but good luck and enjoys the wins in NO. Just as the bench played a good game we get some new players added to the mix. I hope there are some surprizes with James & Crittenton. We are lacking about 10 to 15 points a game everygame. If we get that from the same player everygame we'll get close to playoffs. 5 out now 15 at the All Star break & 25 end of season if it's the same old same old. I think there's more moves in the works. We can't get there from here.

Posted by: VBFan | December 10, 2008 6:46 PM

Does this mean we can't get rid of Etan Thomas? Because I really, really want to get rid of Etan Thomas.

Posted by: pondaz | December 10, 2008 7:05 PM

No more Etan Thomas!!

Posted by: rachel216 | December 10, 2008 7:06 PM

They should package, etan, mike james, and decrap stevenson for larry hughes....

Posted by: insanity999 | December 10, 2008 7:16 PM

Interesting trade. AD wasn't a super star, but he was a solid, team-first leader. Not sure there are many of those left out there. Only time will tell, but I don't like it right now...

Posted by: BT23 | December 10, 2008 7:20 PM

Why couldn't EG pull this off if J.Rich from the Bobcats was available? J.Rich and Mike James to the Wiz, AD to Hornets, Etan to Suns, Bell and Diaw to Bobcats, the JCNavarro pick to the Suns.

Thats a much better trade, J.Rich provides backcourt scoring/defense/size and James is an upgrade over Dee Brown, who gets released. Plus we rid ourselves of Etans salary......

Posted by: dscottp169 | December 10, 2008 7:29 PM

Also, no more DeShawn Stevenson. I've never like Stevenson. He is so cocky and thinks he's the best after he makes one shot.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 10, 2008 7:31 PM

We were that close to no more Etan? its like you gave us x-mas then snatched it away

Posted by: T-ROB | December 10, 2008 7:36 PM

could still trade etan and d.stevenson for larry hughes though

Posted by: T-ROB | December 10, 2008 7:41 PM

Wish we could get Larry Hughes back!

Posted by: washwiz | December 10, 2008 7:45 PM

decrap and etan for larry!

Posted by: insanity999 | December 10, 2008 7:56 PM

Learned,
Upon second thought I should have not personalized my post in such a manner and I apologize. I still find your stance ridiculous however. When LA drafted Crittenton the only PG's they had was a second year Farmar and a free agent Smush Parker. Months after the draft Derek Fisher was dropped in their lap. They drafted Crittenton cuz he was by far the best player available at that spot. Look we don't know what kind of a player he will because it is way too early to tell. He could be a flop, he could a pure pg or he could be a larry hughes type combo guard. It will take minutes and more than 100 games to tell.
His first season was very similar in minutes played to Andrew Bynum and he was behind Kwame Brown and Chris Mihm(Can anyone name a more pitiful 1-2 center rotation ever?). While they play different positions Centers and point guards have the toughest transistions to make and they were both young,athletic talented players who were expected to develop slowly. Should the Lakers have given up on Bynum 100 games into his career?
With the amount of money we have wrapped up in Caron, AJ, Gil, Blatche,DS over the next 3-4 years we can only make very minor adjustments so shrewd trades where we turn a BS conditional pick into a talented 2nd year player or hopefully Mike James and Etan to a team trying to cut salary before 2010 might be the only way to turn this team into a conference contender imo. So lets not annoint or write of JC yet and just appreciate that we are now younger and have a brighter future at a very weak position for the Wiz.

Posted by: SteveK25 | December 10, 2008 7:56 PM

Folks, don't sleep on Mike James. Watch the defensive pressure he applies to the opposing team's point guard. He kind of reminds me of Gene Smith back in the day with the Hoya's. The scoring ability will be the bonus.

I don't know how that Larry Hughes trade would have worked with him playing the 2 along with Stevenson and NY.

I guess the odd man out would have been Stevenson. Nothing against Etan, but the day of the "Brian Grant and Ben Wallace" type of power forward or center are long gone.

Power fowards are not big football sized players anymore. Etan's type of game was good ten years ago, but now he is too short and not agile enough to play in today's power forward spot.

Posted by: BulletsFever | December 10, 2008 8:12 PM

Ivan,
Word on what numbers these two will wear?
Thanks. Great job on a busy day. Anxious to hear Mike Lee's take on the PHX-CHA deal.

Posted by: TheFunBunch | December 10, 2008 8:25 PM

Now lets see who can help Javaris develop his point guard skills maybe ETAP NO He didn't play in the league ahhhhh Wes Jr.NO He didn't play in the league either oh yeah Eddie Jordan he played the position in college and in the NBA but he's no longer with the team maybe ETAP can help Javaris develop his debating skills cause i'm sure that's what he majored in at that basketball powerhouse Tuft University

Posted by: dargregmag | December 10, 2008 9:00 PM

"They just shed about $1.5 mill of what's already the lowest payroll in the NBA. And people complain that Pollin is cheap.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 10, 2008 6:21 PM "

I can't say that I've ever called Abe cheap, but doing whatever it takes to win or being a first class organization? Not.

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On a larger scale, Jordan wants to win now. Like any coach who signed a two-year extension with a team option for the third year last summer, the continuity line gets old.

"But I understand Mr. Pollin's standpoint," Jordan said. "We want to stay within a certain budget for the Washington Wizards. We're not going to be like four or five or six other teams that can do anything it takes to win. Those are decisions we made within the organization. It doesn't bother me. There are times when you say, 'How come we can't get this guy?' But then you say, 'These are the parameters the organization has set.' "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/16/AR2007021602210.html

"I asked Arenas last month what he thought the Wizards had to do to appease his wishes. He wouldn't campaign for the Wizards to acquire certain players, but he did say, "If you want a championship, you got to get a championship team."

He added: "I know this might not sound right, but the championship teams treat themselves like champions. You go into Miami's locker room, I'm like, 'Wow, what the hell is this?' Everything from their game-day meals for their players to every state-of-the-art thing you can imagine. As a player, why would you want to leave the locker room? I could sit there all day.

"We've been doing a better job, but it comes down to this: You treat your players like champions, they want to be champions," he added. "All the best teams in the league treat themselves first-class every day. Other players come over and think, 'They got this, they got that. Oh, I want to be here.' "

Whether Arenas was telling Abe Pollin and Ernie Grunfeld to upgrade the Wizards' facilities is up for debate. But he was clearly illustrating how the defending champions take care of their players. How the Wizards interpret Arenas's words gets to the issue of how much leverage stars have in this league."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/24/AR2007042402488.html

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 10, 2008 9:01 PM

Why couldn't EG pull this off if J.Rich from the Bobcats was available? J.Rich and Mike James to the Wiz, AD to Hornets, Etan to Suns, Bell and Diaw to Bobcats, the JCNavarro pick to the Suns.

Thats a much better trade, J.Rich provides backcourt scoring/defense/size and James is an upgrade over Dee Brown, who gets released. Plus we rid ourselves of Etans salary......

Posted by: dscottp169 | December 10, 2008 7:29 PM

One, that trade would never be agreed on by anyone. Two, the salaries don't come close to matching up.

Try again.

Posted by: Pradamaster | December 10, 2008 9:05 PM

That Hughes trade that Ivan mentioned would have been something, the team would have actually shed some salary (about $250K/yr). In addition, Hughes salary expires the same time Thomas' & Daniels' (Summer '10). The team would have rid itself of two players in their 30s who play a combine 20 mins a game (all Daniels) for a starter w/o picking up additional years and/or salary. Also, I don't see how this would have stopped the Crittenton trade either, since Memphis was just interested in getting back their pick. Only if...

Posted by: -CN- | December 10, 2008 9:34 PM

Quick notation, if the Hughes for Thomas, Daniels, & Brown trade went through, we would still be able to trade the JCN pick for Crittenton straight up. Obviously, if this were to happen, New Orleans never enters the conversation and M James would stay with the Hornets...

Posted by: -CN- | December 10, 2008 9:39 PM

ppl forget that Larry initiated the offense a lot here with the Wiz. If healthy, it could have been deja vu all over again...only this time we have CB, too. I actually like that deal better than the one we got..

Posted by: original_mark | December 10, 2008 9:58 PM

"Quick notation, if the Hughes for Thomas, Daniels, & Brown trade went through, we would still be able to trade the JCN pick for Crittenton straight up."


Not true. The Wiz are about $12 mill over the cap and that trade wouldn't have changed that (it would have just paid all of the salary to one player instead of spreading it out over three). Teams over the cap can't trade players for picks straight up.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 10, 2008 10:02 PM

Good catch on the inner workings of the salary cap. Guess we would have to trade Dixon (but we'd have to wait until next week, Dec 15), since his salary is non-guaranteed meaning that the Grizz can cut him to cut costs. This way, we get Hughes & Crittenton for the JCN pick, Thomas, Daniels, & D Brown...

Posted by: -CN- | December 10, 2008 10:26 PM

I'd love to get Hughes! It would be great to have him back in the backcourt with Gil!

A deal that works is Etan, Daniels, Pecherov for Hughes and Cedric Simmons.

Simmons is a player the Wizards were high on when he was in the draft, but he was taken before our pick and we took Pecherov. Neither player is seeing any court time with their current team, and a swap seems logical, give them each a fresh start. Simmons would add a strong rebounder off the bench that we could definately use. Pecherov has skills, but just doesn't fit in our rotation with similar style players like Songaila, Blatche, McGee, and Jamison.

With this deal we'd ultimately have a front 5 of Haywood, Jamison, Butler, Hughes, Arenas when healthy. They'd be backed up by a unit of the future in McGee, Blatche, McGuire, Young, Crittenton. The roster is rounded out solidly with Songaila, Simmons, Dixon, James.

Posted by: Darnell1 | December 10, 2008 10:26 PM

Also, if Pesh is traded to the Bulls, Nocioni, Aaron Gray, & Hinrich (see a pattern??) could use him as a prop during post-practice slam dunk contests...

Posted by: -CN- | December 10, 2008 10:31 PM

His first season was very similar in minutes played to Andrew Bynum and he was behind Kwame Brown and Chris Mihm(Can anyone name a more pitiful 1-2 center rotation ever?). While they play different positions Centers and point guards have the toughest transistions to make and they were both young,athletic talented players who were expected to develop slowly. Should the Lakers have given up on Bynum 100 games into his career?

SteveK25, citing Bynum actually proves my point. Bynum showed flashes of his potential as a rookie and played in more than half the Lakers' games. In his second season, he played in every game and was the starter in more than 50. The rest, as they say, is history.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 10, 2008 10:42 PM

OK, so i like LH too, but... wouldn't that just be another injury sidelined contract for us?

I think LH was like a phase and we have just moved on.

Now for peeps saying we should have resigned Roger Mason. I agree, but i seriously doubt our record would be that much different if we had him. Maybe losing him was for the best.

Posted by: gconrads | December 10, 2008 10:47 PM

Now lets see who can help Javaris develop his point guard skills maybe ETAP NO He didn't play in the league ahhhhh Wes Jr.NO He didn't play in the league either oh yeah Eddie Jordan he played the position in college and in the NBA but he's no longer with the team maybe ETAP can help Javaris develop his debating skills cause i'm sure that's what he majored in at that basketball powerhouse Tuft University

Because if there was anything that Eddie Jordan was notable for during his tenure here in DC, it was his commitment to, and patience for developing young talent.

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 10, 2008 11:04 PM

Damn! You guys are in trade Heaven now. All I can do is smile at all the trade comments.

We can't get Larry now, with the deal we just did. But every time you all mention getting rid to ET, I know their must be a God. Lets keep the Faith working.

Kalo_ramo, in a deal like this when we already know that AD has medical issues, if it's not stipulated in the deal, can the trade be voided, cause I would hate to see a boomerang on this.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 10, 2008 11:09 PM

The only remarkable thing about this trade is that Juan Dixon is now going to see significant minutes. I don't see Mike James doing a whole lot. As for Javaris, I predict he'll be on the inactive list most games.. so far, he's not shown himself to be a very good shooter, even from the charity stripe.

I'm glad they didn't go through with the Larry Hughes deal. I loved it when he was here, but it's time to let that go and move on. He's simply not the same player today that he was a few years ago.

Posted by: satchmore | December 11, 2008 12:00 AM

I would be really surprised if the Hornets voided the deal, because they need a veteran PG to give them only a handful of minutes while CP3 gets a quick rest. As long as the physical does not show anything degenarative, my guess is that the trade would go through. New Orleans was a team that I always thought would be interested in AD. Utah and them both seemed like good fits.

Posted by: SportzWiz | December 11, 2008 12:08 AM

I'm sure that the New Orleans press is talking up Daniels' veteran experience, the year that he was Sixth Man of the Year for the Sonics, etc. just as the Washington press finds itself talking about Mike James' good year.

Posted by: satchmore | December 11, 2008 12:30 AM

There's no reason for N.O. to void the deal. That only happens when a team discovers a player has a potentially career and/or life-threatening condition and, as far as we know Daniels doesn't have one. The only "condition" he has is that he's banged up which (A) The Hornets already knew and (B) is to be expected after 14 years in the NBA.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 11, 2008 1:37 AM

I would have LOVED that LHughes deal... loved it.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | December 11, 2008 2:20 AM

I think this is a good trade, much as we will miss Antonio Daniels... for his class as much as for his on-court skills (which probably have deteriorated faster this season due to the amazing and body-destroying effort he put out to help drag us into the 5 seed last season). As Ivan pointed out New Orleas is an ideal situation for him... 8-12 minutes a game plus a chance to join James Posey as counsel on playing deep in the playoffs.

I do not think Mike James can be judged based on his work in New Orleans. Clearly he is not a Brian Scott type guy. But he can fill up the basket in a hurry and I think will be a good stop-gap for us, maybe more. J Crittenden is clearly a potential diamond in the rough and Wizard management took a good look at him for the 2007 draft.
If he can play the point, distribute, penetrate and score inside (and Hopla can teach him to hit 85% from the line) he could be a long term contributor.

And that first round pick we sent back to Memphis was an airy-fairy one for us in the first place... It only has real value to Memphis, whereas Crittenden is a real live first rounder...

Bottom line, this was a low-risk deal with modest potential upside. Good job by Ernie.

Posted by: khrabb | December 11, 2008 5:15 AM

Really excited to see Crittenton tonight, just wish we weren't playing BOSTON.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 11, 2008 6:26 AM

A good trade -- looks like a win-win-win, which is the best kind. Memphis gets its first round pick back; Washington gets a first round pick at pg; NO gets a steady veteran backup to spell CP. AD gets some rest, and probably his career will be extended as a result, and he gets to the playoffs again, where he will be useful. Crittendon gets the PT he needs. James gets a shot to resurrect his career. What's not to like?

Posted by: PostSubscriber | December 11, 2008 6:44 AM

I actually think James is a throw in in this deal. He probably won't see significant action. I can't see him moving NY, DS or JD out of the way for playing time. He may get some pg minutes, though.
Looking at our lineup, this trade has some serious risk. We just traded our only 2 pg's!! I don't know if I've ever seen that before. JD is a sg who plays at the point. Same for DS. Given the dearth of pure pg talent on our roster, I think we'll get a pretty quick dosage of JC. Thank goodness Ej is gone or JC wouldn't get our of his warmups til next year.

Let's hope we occasionally switch to some standard NBA sets so that the kid can get some court time.

One more point about this team thats not directly related to the trade...

A lot has been made about the Cavs and their defense and deservedly so. I watched them last night, looked at their roster and they have not much more athleticism or size than we do. It has to be about heart and desire....and coaching. Mike Brown has gotten them to buy into playing D and they're good at it now. If we're intent on becoming a great defensive team, shouldn't we be looking at a defensive minded coach?

Mind you, I'm against slowing it down and playing grind it out ball. I prefer to see exciting ball with great offense and decent defense...particularly with this team. We've just subtracted a fast but talent-poor pg and an old slow pg with a young, quick, tall pg full of potential and a proven 20 point per game scorer. Seems to me we should be running and gunning unless we get a defensive taskmaster who can change the mindset of this team.
Someone needs to get the GM and coaches in a room and decide what style of ball we're playing. EG keeps stockpiling sprinters and the coaches are trying to run a marathon. We need to play to the players' strengths. Either get defensive players and play defense or concentrate on offense with what we have. One criticism I read about EJ was that most of the practice time was spent on offense. It makes perfect sense given that his players are much better suited to scoring that defending.

Good trade. Let's just hope it works out and that we're patient with JC.

Posted by: original_mark | December 11, 2008 7:41 AM

"A good trade -- looks like a win-win-win, which is the best kind. Memphis gets its first round pick back; Washington gets a first round pick at pg; NO gets a steady veteran backup to spell CP. AD gets some rest, and probably his career will be extended as a result, and he gets to the playoffs again, where he will be useful. Crittendon gets the PT he needs. James gets a shot to resurrect his career. What's not to like?

Posted by: PostSubscriber | December 11, 2008 6:44 AM "

A good trade with regard to moving riff raff and draft picks from team to team, but anyone expecting a major and immediate impact/improvement to the teams with the new players is really drinking the kool-aid.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 11, 2008 8:17 AM

"I'm glad they didn't go through with the Larry Hughes deal. I loved it when he was here, but it's time to let that go and move on. He's simply not the same player today that he was a few years ago.

Posted by: satchmore | December 11, 2008 12:00 AM "

The same can be said about Gilby, but unfortunately, $111 mil too late in that gamble.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 11, 2008 8:21 AM

"SteveK25, citing Bynum actually proves my point. Bynum showed flashes of his potential as a rookie and played in more than half the Lakers' games. In his second season, he played in every game and was the starter in more than 50. The rest, as they say, is history.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 10, 2008 10:42 PM "

Bynum is 21, and a big boned athletic 7 footer at 285 lbs. and is clearly a center b/c of his game and ability.

JaTravel is 20 and a thin 7 footer at 237 lbs. and would need to gain a LOT of bulk (though not bone) which may take away from his game.

JaTravel is built more like a KG than a potential young Shaq who and thus is "less likely to be put in against guys like Aaron Gray b/c of his build." JaTravel is tall, but not really built to be a "true center."

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 11, 2008 8:28 AM

Nah... McGee,he's no center and neither was Jabber. That guy was so skinny the likes of Wilt, Unseld, Thurmond, and Reed would push him all over the court and break him in half.

In the end that worked out kind of ok...

Look at films of Russell, he was a whole lot stronger then McGee for most of his career. But look at the really old footage of Russell right out of college. The guy was a bean pole back then he even was a high jumper in college.

McGee will do just fine growing into that body...Remember the kid's 20.

Posted by: flohrtv | December 11, 2008 8:47 AM

"Look at films of Russell, he was a whole lot stronger then McGee for most of his career. But look at the really old footage of Russell right out of college. The guy was a bean pole back then he even was a high jumper in college.

McGee will do just fine growing into that body...Remember the kid's 20.

Posted by: flohrtv | December 11, 2008 8:47 AM "

OH, show us also the footage of centers back then that were built like Yao and Shaq while you're at it.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 11, 2008 9:33 AM

Or, even Aaron Gray, for that matter!!

LMAO!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 11, 2008 9:34 AM

^ how is that funny?

Posted by: LooseCannon1 | December 11, 2008 10:38 AM

Willas Reed, Wes Unseld, Nate Thurmond, Walt Bellamy, Tom Boerwinkle(7' 350lbs)Mark Eaton (7'4" about 350lbs)to name a few.

There were more good centers in the league during Jabber's career then there are now by far. And the style of play was far more physical during most of Jabber's career. With the much smaller league Russell matched up with a future HOF center in more of his games during his career then Shaq or Yao will ever see.

You've pointed out two guys in the Western conference so JaVale will have to worry about them 4 games a year. And if you're worried about the Wiz matching up with Aaron Gray, the Wiz have far more pressing problems then handling the monster Aaron Gray...

Still not grasping what your point was in the discussion about trading for Crittenton and James.

Posted by: flohrtv | December 11, 2008 10:44 AM

Bynum is 21, and a big boned athletic 7 footer at 285 lbs. and is clearly a center b/c of his game and ability.

JaTravel is 20 and a thin 7 footer at 237 lbs. and would need to gain a LOT of bulk (though not bone) which may take away from his game.

JaTravel is built more like a KG than a potential young Shaq who and thus is "less likely to be put in against guys like Aaron Gray b/c of his build." JaTravel is tall, but not really built to be a "true center."

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 11, 2008 8:28 AM

Thanks for the analysis but we weren't discussing or comparing Bynum and McGee. It would probably be a good idea to read a few posts before offering comments that have no relevance to the discussion to which you are horning in.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 11, 2008 10:48 AM

"You've pointed out two guys in the Western conference so JaVale will have to worry about them 4 games a year. And if you're worried about the Wiz matching up with Aaron Gray, the Wiz have far more pressing problems then handling the monster Aaron Gray...

Still not grasping what your point was in the discussion about trading for Crittenton and James.

Posted by: flohrtv | December 11, 2008 10:44 AM "

Willis Reed = 6-9, 235

Wes Unseld = 6-7, 245

Nate Thurmond = 6-11, 225

Tom Boerwinkle = 7-0, 265

Mark Eaton = 7-3, 275, slow, and not a premier center, especially statistically speaking

Neither you nor I are the coach of Les BouleS.

If ETap is concerned about JaTravel going against the likes of Aaron Gray, then you'll just have to deal with it.

Shaq ushered in the new era of the NBA center, athletic, and big, and probably would have eaten all of the aforementioned's lunches.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 11, 2008 10:56 AM

i was wondering how that's funny, too. 88 cracks himself up sometimes laughing at us, I guess.

I actually agree with some of what 88 says in that JM may not be a true C. Guys generally learn how to play the post (and how to like playing the post) in their early years. JM seems to me to be more of a PF. He's closer to Garnett than Jabbar, IMO. Of course, it's all about his attitude. If he decides he wants to start beasting down low, he'll gain lower body strength and do it. If he wants to float around outside, he'll do that. I think he has the athleticism to actually play the 3 like Sheed if he improved his shooting. The kid has skills.

I know this is a stretch but a frontline next year of BTH, JM and AB with AJ coming off the bench isn't a stretch. Talk about interior length.

Posted by: original_mark | December 11, 2008 10:57 AM

"Thanks for the analysis but we weren't discussing or comparing Bynum and McGee. It would probably be a good idea to read a few posts before offering comments that have no relevance to the discussion to which you are horning in.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 11, 2008 10:48 AM "

Sorry, but you be wrong. I wrote about JaTravel in response to someone talking about Bynum's development. Of course, people think JaTravel is the future here in the center position.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 11, 2008 11:00 AM

This is what's funny, since you guys have been sleeping the last few days:

"McGee played only nine minutes in Friday's loss to the Lakers at Verizon Center.

The Bulls started 7-foot, 270-pound Aaron Gray at center rather than usual starter Joakim Noah, who is 6-11 and 232 pounds.

"Gray is not a great matchup for him," Tapscott said. "Noah would have been a better matchup for him, similar style of game, speed guys." "

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | December 11, 2008 11:03 AM

The trade benefits all parties, but would have been unneeded if EG had been smart and re-signed Roger Mason this summer. Anyone who watched the Wiz last year knew Mason was our best shooter and a good ballhandler. San Antonio now has the 3rd best 3-pt. shooter in the league filling in while Manu Ginobli is on the mend. We have a 33-year old retread in Mike James who may score some points, but offers little else except a big contract that expires in 2010.

If Crittenton develops into a starter at PG or a reliable backup in the next 2 years, I like this trade. Otherwise, we have no true PG on the roster until Arenas returns (and he's not a true PG in IMO). Hopefully, Crittenton gets some PT this year to work on his game and can blend in well with NY, DSS, and Dixon. Lousy Christmas gift for Dee Brown who was a starting before the trade.

Posted by: wizfan89 | December 11, 2008 11:29 AM

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