Cheer or Jeer?

Last night's 110-107 victory over the Sacramento Kings appeared to boost the spirits of the 9-32 Wizards, but there were plenty of negatives, too. As Ivan blogged after the game:

The Wizards won this one. I think. I'm not really sure because after nearly blowing a 21-point second half lead with some bad defense and sloppy turnovers, the Wizards probably felt more relief than anything.

Please share your thoughts.


By Alexa Steele |  January 22, 2009; 9:15 AM ET
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When you have 8 wins, you'll take another any way you can get it.

Posted by: tundey | January 22, 2009 9:26 AM

It wasn't pretty in the 2nd half, but when your team only has 8 wins, how can we be picky? This team needs some wins to give them a little bit of confidence. Sure, should they play better and not lose 21-point leads to 10 win teams like Sacramento? Of course! But, let's be realistic, we are a nine win team. Our record is worse than theirs. We can say and think we're better, but the record speaks for itself. Anytime, we can win on the road against anyone (blown out by a bad GSW team in the last game), that's a positive. With 2 All Stars, we should be better, but we're not. A win is a win!

Ron

Posted by: faninAlex | January 22, 2009 9:29 AM

Agree, a win is a win.

The Sac announcers on NBA tv kept making the point you did Alex that with two all-stars we should be better. I agree, but I think it reflects poorly on how good AJ and CB actually are.

Posted by: rphilli721 | January 22, 2009 9:54 AM

What's the difference in the # of ping pong balls/probability of getting the 1st pick between the worst team vs. the 2nd worst team?

That's the most important question right now for Les BouleS.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 22, 2009 9:55 AM

Glad the team won but NY and JM got yanked awfully quickly in the 2nd half.

Posted by: edP2 | January 22, 2009 2:37 AM

JM didn't play well in the minutes given him. His play was awfully sloppy. NY? He made a few good plays, a few bad plays, and overall wasn't making much of a difference.

McGee had 6 rebs and altered a handful of shots while he was in there.
...
Speaking of which, 11 minutes for Nick Young is criminal. So is 11 minutes for McGee.

Posted by: UltimateFootballNetwork | January 22, 2009 4:30 AM

6 rebounds and a pair of altered shots were about the only positives for McGee. NY? Well you could make a case that he should've gotten more burn, but CB and DM were playing very well and you have to give them those minutes.

Mcgee's minutes were very effective tonight

Posted by: AWizinLA | January 22, 2009 5:51 AM

No they weren't.

In regards to yesterdays argument, RE: BTH & the lack of defense ...

Posted by: cj658 | January 22, 2009 8:51 AM

Your argument is suspect dude. Its as if you watch the boxscore, instead of the game.

McGee didn't play like a rookie last night. He was a defensive force.

Posted by: keithward64 | January 22, 2009 8:58 AM

Yes he did play like a rookie. He altered two or three shots, and that was the only positive thing he did on the defensive end. He was constantly out of position. It looked like he just plain doesn't know where to be or where to go (on both ends of the floor). I'm glad DSong was in the game with him to tell him where to go, else it might've been worse.

word on the street is that Taps might be back next year because of the economy and the fact that they had to pay off EJ's contract(8 mil.yeah that was smart of EG).I mean is that crazy or what? hopefully that's just a rumour say it ain't so.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 22, 2009 9:39 AM

I'd be interested in knowing where you heard that. I haven't, and I really hope its just wild speculation...

Posted by: jones-y | January 22, 2009 10:00 AM

By the way, anyone else notice that, for the past 2 games, AB has been in the game down the stretch?

Immediately after Ivan's 'why the Songaila hate' article, in which we all responded that using him down the stretch at center is killing us???

Posted by: jones-y | January 22, 2009 10:10 AM

NOTE TO JONES-Y: I'm here in ATL. and a "personality" at a local sports radio talk station with ties back to my old stomping ground(DC) told me off air after i called in to discuss the NBA at large but he asked me not to reveal his name or his source soooooo..........i can't.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 22, 2009 10:37 AM

say it ain't so dude, say it ain't so... I can't do another year of Taps...

Posted by: jones-y | January 22, 2009 10:46 AM

Nice game for Blatche, although he should grab more than three rebounds.
Tapp needs to figure out how to get McGee, Young and Crittenton minutes. Not only do they need the playing time to develop, but Butler and Jamison can't finish strong in the fourth quarter when they're playing 40 minutes a night.
And wasn't Tapp director of player development before he became coach? Yet he's playing Songaila and James at the expense of the young guys?!?!

Posted by: rodeoclown | January 22, 2009 10:46 AM

AB is averaging 25mpg since ETap took over.

Young is averaging 23mpg since mid-december when ETap let him out of the doghouse (a huge blunder on the part of ETap).

Critt is averaging 19mpg in January. And let's remember he's been here all of six weeks...

DMac averaged 19mpg in December and is averaging 27 minutes in January.

I can understand your frustration about McGee (although he still doesn't look too good when he's out there...) but everyone else (besides OP) is getting minutes comparable to (or greater than) the vets on this team not named Jamison or Butler.

Posted by: jones-y | January 22, 2009 11:01 AM

My argument is not suspect it all, it is factual. I watch the games, and look at the box score. And both lead me to the same conclusion: BTH sucks. He is easily replaceable, he is a subpar center. He had his career last year, but most of you (CRS & JONES) seem to think that he was going to bring the same type of game this year. For all we know last year was an anomaly, a blip on the radar if you will. He could have easily reverted back to his old self. Looking at the big picture, he sucks. If he was 2 inches shorter, he’d be a d-leaguer. Again, say what you will about my argument, but I simply cannot fathom how anyone can say losing BTH made the Wizards a worse team. Play Javale 27 mpg, he’ll give you 10 & 7 also. That’s not saying much.

Posted by: cj658 | January 22, 2009 11:06 AM

"Young is averaging 23mpg since mid-december when ETap let him out of the doghouse (a huge blunder on the part of ETap)."

You're kidding right????

Posted by: cj658 | January 22, 2009 11:07 AM

Songaila did his thing again last night. Though he had a couple of nice passes and rebounds, he blew layups, turned it over, offered nothing defensively.

Someone must have spoken to CB because he actually tried to drive more in this game than in the past 20. It paid off. He's still not attempting defense besides steals. He got yanked once because he started heading downcourt instead of grabbing a rebound and a King got the ball, drove and dunked. He was also responsible for halfheartedly closing out on a shooter in the final minute on the 3 that got them within 2. In fat, if you look at most of the crucial shots down the stretch of close games, Cb seems to be the one consistently late getting out on shooters because he's lurking looking for a steal. Great game overall, by him, though. Maybe we need to start thinking about defensive subs for Cb and AJ at the ends of games.

AB seems close to unstoppable one on one against a lot of C but it sure would be nice if he tried to get a rebound occasionally.

AJ did his thing...nice rebounding and shooting but average D. Average D from him is good enough with the numbers he's putting up.

Where was NY? Still got a a problem with minutes.

DM did exactly what he is expected to do every game. As long as he plays like this, he more than justifies his starting spot and minutes.

Posted by: original_mark | January 22, 2009 11:21 AM

Agree with above -- I definitely get the sense CB is not trying too hard out there, especially on the defensive end. He's constantly the last one on rotation, letting guys blow by him, etc. Then again, I don't blame him for just casually playing out this season. There is no reason to kill yourself for a lottery-bound team unless you're a youngin' looking to secure your spot for next year.

A couple of things: Critt is not a pro level player right now. Blatche and McGuire are exciting and could really contribute to a winning team when (if) Gilbert and Haywood return. Songalia, as usual, looks awful and was kept in for way too long. Trade him for a draft pick or cash. Better yet, bundle him, Thomas, and Stevenson for Larry Hughes or a decent 2.

Posted by: awb9h | January 22, 2009 11:57 AM

Yes he did play like a rookie. He altered two or three shots, and that was the only positive thing he did on the defensive end. He was constantly out of position. It looked like he just plain doesn't know where to be or where to go (on both ends of the floor).

You just don't know what you're talking about. You act like 6 boards in 11 minutes is somehow insignificant. No one on this team outside of McGee can rebound like that.

I love the way you pooh-pooh a rebound every two minutes like it's nothing. If that was the "only" thing McGee did (and it wasn't), that's pretty doggone good. Isn't a C supposed to rebound and block shots? Those are two things Darius can't do -- at all.

McGee altered at least four shots, not the "couple" you said (I've got the game TiVo'ed. I'm happy to give the exact times he did it). And he did it in 11 minutes. In a tight win, those altered shots can make a difference.

Next: McGee not always out of position on defense. It's simply not true. The fact is, whether you see it or not, that the lane to the basket closes down when McGee is in there; the lane opens up when he's out.

Songaila is completely, hopelessly, utterly outclassed in the middle. He's a fine backup 4; as a 5, he'd a dog. Do you deny that he can't rebound or block shots when playing center? If you do, show me the statistical evidence.

Posted by: keithward64 | January 22, 2009 12:07 PM

it is factual... BTH sucks... He is easily replaceable, he is a subpar center

Posted by: cj658 | January 22, 2009 11:06 AM

I don't see quite how you draw the conclusion that your argument is based in fact..

BTH is a serviceable center in a league where having 'a serviceable center' (or a converted power forward) as your starting center is the norm. A league where having a very good or great center is a 'statistical anomoly'.

A league where probably around half of the centers are actually converted power forwards... A league where a number of teams give significant minutes at the 5 to 4s (the ones who are 4s listed as 4s, not the ones who are 4s converted to 5s)

Boston: Kendrick Perkins/Glen Davis
New Jersey: Brook Lopez/Josh Boone
New York: David Lee/Eddy Curry
Philly: Sam Dalembert/Marresse Speights
Toronto: Jermaine Oneal/Jake Voskuhl

Chicago: Aaron Gray/Joakim Noah
Cleveland: Zydrunas Ilgauskas/Anderson Varejao
Detroit: Rasheed Wallace/Jason Maxiell
Indiana: Roy Hibbert/Rasho Nesterovic
Milwaukee: Andrew Bogut/Dan Gadzuric

Atlanta: Al Horford/Zaza Pachulia
Charlotte: Emeka Okafor/DeSagana Diop
Miami: Joel Anthony/Jamaal Magloire
Orlando: Dwight Howard/Marcin Gortat

Golden State: Andris Biedrins/Ronny Turiaf
LA Clippers: Marcus Camby/Brian Skinner
LA Lakers: Andrew Bynum/Chris Mihm
Phoenix: Shaquille O'Neal/Robin Lopez
Sacramento: Brad Miller/Spencer Hawes

Dallas: Erick Dampier/Ryan Hollins
Houston: Yao Ming/Dikembe Motumbo
Memphis: Marc Gasol/Hamed Haddadi
New Orleans: Tyson Chandler/Hilton Armstrong
San Antonio: Matt Bonner/Fabricio Oberto

Denver: Nene Hilario/Chris Andersen
Minnesota: Al Jefferson/Jason Collins
OKC: Nick Collison/Nenad Krstic
Portland: Greg Oden/Joel Przybilla\
Utah: Mehmet Okur/Kosta Koufos


If he's so easily replaceable, who of the above do we replace him with? And how many of the above teams would JUMP at the opportunity to replace their starting center with BTH? Or move their converted 4 back to their natural position to make room for BTH? I'll tell you:

New Jersey, New York, Toronto, Chicago, Detroit, Milwaukee, Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami, Golden State, Sacramento, Dallas, Memphis, San Antonio, Denver, Minnesota, OKC.

That's 17 of 32 teams. For more than half of the NBA

Play Javale 27 mpg, he’ll give you 10 & 7 also. That’s not saying much.

It says a great deal: There is more to production than the stuff that shows up in boxscores. Because we all can clearly see that playing Javale 30 minutes is not (at this point) equally as effective as playing BTH 30 minutes.

BTH 30 mpg = 43-39, JM 30 mpg = 1-10.

Posted by: jones-y | January 22, 2009 12:10 PM

That win could hurt us in the race for more ping-pong balls. Down to a 17.7% chance at the number one pick. And now the Clips, Kings and Grizzlies are gaining on us.

Posted by: Kev29 | January 22, 2009 12:10 PM

"Young is averaging 23mpg since mid-december when ETap let him out of the doghouse (a huge blunder on the part of ETap)."

You're kidding right????

Posted by: cj658 | January 22, 2009 11:07 AM

You misinterpreted me. Putting NY in the doghouse was the huge blunder, not letting him out.

Posted by: jones-y | January 22, 2009 12:12 PM

jones-y, I totally agree that BTH is more than just an average C.

I like Brook Lopez, though. No way the Nets give him up for BTH. He's probably as good or better right now than BTH.

Posted by: original_mark | January 22, 2009 12:29 PM

Jones-y: Glad to hear that about the NY situation, I did misinterpret, my bad.

But as far as BTH, you actually just proved my point, with your above post regarding the other teams in the NBA. To quote you: “ BTH is a serviceable center in a league where having 'a serviceable center' (or a converted power forward) as your starting center is the norm. A league where having a very good or great center is a 'statistical anomoly'.”

So basically a guy like BTH is just average, and guys like him are the “norm”. The whole argument was based on the idea that somehow losing BTH attributes to the Wizards woes. How on earth does losing a “serviceable center” make a team a bottom feeder. Of all the teams/players you mentioned above, if you take those centers out of those line-ups, they are still essentially the same team. Sure there are a few exceptions, but fact is, none of those teams would turn into a last place team. Bottom line is, another “serviceable center” will come in and give “serviceable numbers”. Sure, I agree 17 teams would “jump” at the chance to get Haywood. But the other half of the NBA would not. All that does is further prove the point that he is an average center, (who just became average overnight, based on one good year last year), and that he is a “middle of the pack” guy. Case in point: Loosing an average center like BTH, should not, and has not, contributed the Wizards woes.

Posted by: cj658 | January 22, 2009 12:31 PM

You just don't know what you're talking about.

That's an effective argument...

You act like 6 boards in 11 minutes is somehow insignificant.

No I don't.

No one on this team outside of McGee can rebound like that.

Agreed. And that's due to the fact that it is totally based in athletic ability. Once he combines that with knowledge of the game, and an improved physique, then we will see a rebound machine.

I love the way you pooh-pooh a rebound every two minutes like it's nothing.

If 'pooh-pooh' is your term for 'put in perspective,' then yes, I did 'pooh-pooh' it.

If that was the "only" thing McGee did (and it wasn't), that's pretty doggone good.

I don't recall saying it wasn't good. And what exactly did he do, besides those six rebounds and a couple of altered shots? I saw him attempt (and fail) to set a few picks and screens. I saw him get a couple of offensive boards and throw up stupid shots instead of kicking the ball back out and resetting the offense. What else?

Isn't a C supposed to rebound and block shots? Those are two things Darius can't do -- at all.

Rebounding and blocking/altering shots are only two of a long list of responsibilities that a center has.

Put it this way. If JM had been in proper position, he'd have gotten at least 3-4 more rebounds in the same amount of time, and I could point them out if I had Tivo.

And I'm not quite sure how DS entered this conversation...

Posted by: jones-y | January 22, 2009 12:37 PM

McGee altered at least four shots, not the "couple" you said (I've got the game TiVo'ed. I'm happy to give the exact times he did it). And he did it in 11 minutes.

I saw two or three, but I'm sure I missed a couple when I took out the trash and took a leak.

In a tight win, those altered shots can make a difference.

Agreed. But again, its all on pure skill. Once he learns the game and improves his physique he will be a force. As of right now, having him on the floor is not a net positive. Yes he brings an impressive skillset, but for every shot he alters, he allows an offensive rebound/putback, or gives up a foul, because he is out of position or can't hold the position he has.

For every rebound he gets, he misses another one because he is out of position or can't hold the position he has.

For every positive play he makes, he makes at least one negative play.

Next: McGee not always out of position on defense. It's simply not true. The fact is, whether you see it or not, that the lane to the basket closes down when McGee is in there; the lane opens up when he's out.

The young man has no clue how to defend a pick and roll (not that he's alone in that regard, he's just the most weak at it on a team full of centers and PFs who are weak at it). Has no idea when or how to prepare for the shot going up and box his man out. Has no idea how to do most anything on offense besides move back and forth between the left and right blocks. And so on.

You're questioning what I see/don't see, and you have the advantage of Tivo???

Songaila is completely, hopelessly, utterly outclassed in the middle. He's a fine backup 4; as a 5, he'd a dog. Do you deny that he can't rebound or block shots when playing center? If you do, show me the statistical evidence.

Again, I'm not quite sure how DSong entered this conversation... I'm as critical of the way DSong is used as most here, including, apparently, you.

Posted by: jones-y | January 22, 2009 12:38 PM

Again, I'm not quite sure how DSong entered this conversation... I'm as critical of the way DSong is used as most here, including, apparently, you.

So, are you saying that you don't like Song at the 5? If not, what are the alternatives? And how is McGee going to learn to play the position if he's not on the court?

Does he make mistakes? Sure? Is he a net negative on the court? Not on your life.

Almost no one on this team outside of McGuire plays a lick of defense- pick & roll, closing out on 3-point shooters, etc. Why is McGee singled out here? He at least tries hard, unlike Jamison, Butler, James, etc.

Again: we're losing, and losing big, with the vets. Are you really saying things would be worse if this promising rookie was getting 20-25 minutes per game? What exactly are the vets bringing that is making this season a success?

Posted by: keithward64 | January 22, 2009 12:45 PM

How on earth does losing a “serviceable center” make a team a bottom feeder.

Simple. You go from having a serviceable center to not having a serviceable center...

Of all the teams/players you mentioned above, if you take those centers out of those line-ups, they are still essentially the same team.

The only teams for which that is true are the teams who have power forwards (or backup centers) who can defend the paint, clog up the lane, etc. We obviously don't. Hence BTH's absence becomes that much more unbearable. And contributes to making us a bottom feeder.

Posted by: jones-y | January 22, 2009 12:45 PM

So basically a guy like BTH is just average

I'm glad that you now agree with the rest of us that BTH is not a garbo center...

Posted by: jones-y | January 22, 2009 1:04 PM

jones-y, I totally agree that BTH is more than just an average C.

I like Brook Lopez, though. No way the Nets give him up for BTH. He's probably as good or better right now than BTH.

Posted by: original_mark | January 22, 2009 12:29 PM

And on second thought, I'd probably agree with you. I haven't seen enough of Brook Lopez to really form a solid opinion on him though, but I do hear he is doing well.

Posted by: jones-y | January 22, 2009 1:05 PM

"The only teams for which that is true are the teams who have power forwards (or backup centers) who can defend the paint, clog up the lane, etc. We obviously don't.

Posted by: jones-y"

If this is the biggest impact that Haywood had on this team (or biggest impact not having Haywood has), why are you so against playing the guy that is by far best suited to fill this role?

Nobody on the team even comes close to McGee in this aspect. Blatche is the next closest, and he's not very good at it, but makes up for it with his offensive ability.

I could see your point if the Wizards were somewhat successful without McGee in there. But they're not. The Wizards are literally the last place team in the East, and only 2 losses in front of Oklahoma City for the worst in the league. It's nearly impossible to get tangibly worse.

Posted by: psps23 | January 22, 2009 1:07 PM

So, are you saying that you don't like Song at the 5?

Yes

If not, what are the alternatives?

There are none. I think you're trying to make more out of my words than what is explicit. I was simply providing a more balanced perspective than most of you guys who were in essence unabashedly praising his play, when clearly his play did not warrant unabashed praise.

Almost no one on this team outside of McGuire plays a lick of defense- pick & roll, closing out on 3-point shooters, etc. Why is McGee singled out here?

I didn't single him out.

Are you really saying things would be worse if this promising rookie was getting 20-25 minutes per game?

Yes.

What exactly are the vets bringing

Not much, but more than McGee is as a rook.

Posted by: jones-y | January 22, 2009 1:13 PM

why are you so against playing the guy that is by far best suited to fill this role?

Posted by: psps23 | January 22, 2009 1:07 PM

Best suited? Yes. Ready? No. As of right now, AB is a better option at center. Mostly due to the fact that AB knows where to be and where to go on the court, and JM doesn't.

And I've never once said I'm against playing him. Not once. In fact, I'm for playing him. I simply don't think his play has qualified the praise heaped on him.

Posted by: jones-y | January 22, 2009 1:19 PM

Are you really saying things would be worse if this promising rookie was getting 20-25 minutes per game?

Yes.

You mean, worse than 9-32? Really? REALLY? How much worse, then?

Posted by: keithward64 | January 22, 2009 1:22 PM

"In fact, I'm for playing him. I simply don't think his play has qualified the praise heaped on him.

Posted by: jones-y"

For a guy that so vehemently defends his lack of minutes, this is an odd statement to read.

As far as this statement goes: "Best suited? Yes. Ready? No. As of right now, AB is a better option at center."

(1) I never said he was a better option than AB. I pointed out AB for that specific reason, implying Blatche should be the only guy getting more minutes than McGee at that position.

(2) Readiness should have no bearing for this team. As is obvious with the record of this team, it's nearly impossible to get tangibly worse than the Wizards already are. And if you argue that being thrown to the wolves and getting abused would cause stunted development, look no further than the OKC Thunder. After getting abused routinely by 20+ points earlier in the season, that team has gone 6-6 in its last 12 games, largely based on the steady improvement of its youngsters.

There's no reason not to play McGee decent minutes, game in and game out. I almost can't fathom it. There is no upside to keeping him off the court.

Posted by: psps23 | January 22, 2009 1:31 PM

You mean, worse than 9-32? Really? REALLY? How much worse, then?

Posted by: keithward64 | January 22, 2009 1:22 PM

1-40

Posted by: jones-y | January 22, 2009 1:37 PM

psps23,

I'm for playing JM 10 minutes a night. Not 25 as some want. Because we're in essence talking about squeezing AB's minutes in that scenario. And AB is way ahead of JM developmentally, and he's set to contribute next year, whereas JM is not. AB needs those minutes. Whether or not JM's readiness should be a factor, it is. No team in any major sport can visibly throw in the towel. Do they throw in the towel? Of course, but they don't do it in full public view.

OKC plays who they have. And that just so happens to be a bunch of young players. They are rebuilding. We are not. We are ravaged by injury, and we expect (rightly or wrongly) to be in the mix for a playoff spot when we get healthy next year. That's a big difference.

Posted by: jones-y | January 22, 2009 1:45 PM

You mean, worse than 9-32? Really? REALLY? How much worse, then?

Posted by: keithward64 | January 22, 2009 1:22 PM

1-40

Posted by: jones-y

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3 of Washington's 9 wins came with McGee playing 20 minutes or more. And at the point of the 3rd win, the Wizards were 3-12. Since then, the Wizards are 6-20.

There's a negligible difference, if any at all. That argument needs to be thrown out the window.

Posted by: psps23 | January 22, 2009 1:46 PM

I need to jump in here. You can say what you want about BTH, both negative and positive. I complained for years about him not bringing down a rebound and going up strong for a putback. Instead, he had this need to put the ball on the floor or double pump. He's a seven footer, no need for the unnecessary moves, and it often resulted in a turnover. He did not completely stop that last year, but he improved dramatically. Could that have been a career-year? Maybe. But, BTH is a bright player, and centers take a while to "get it." His attitude was good last year and so was his play.

So, say what you want, but "the proof is in the pudding." This team lost Roger Mason, but it has gained by the improved play of DMac, NY, average play of MJ, plus some good minutues from JM. Our All Stars are healthy and averaging nearly what they did last year. Then logically, besides bad coaching (and EJ was the coach last year and for the first 11 games this year), what is the only thing missing from last year? You guessed it Einstein..Brendan Haywood.

I don't believe he is a great center, but he was a key player for us last year. You can speculate on all kinds of other reasons (and some have merit), but the loss of BTH is the only logical, concrete reason that a 43-39 playoff team is now competing for the worst record in the league. I have heard the Mason argument as well. He was solid. I liked Roger and wish we had signed him, but he is not the player responsible for such a drastic dropoff, especially with the improved play of our younger players.

Be realistic and stopped hatin' BTH. If he comes back bad next year, then we can let him have it. For now, let's use our heads and logically come to the conclusion that his absence is the biggest reason we are so bad this year.

Ron

Posted by: faninAlex | January 22, 2009 1:47 PM

Of the 96 minutes available per game at the 4/5, AJ gets 40 and AB gets 25-30. That leaves a total of 26 minutes to dole out between DS and JM. 15-20 for DSong and 10-12 minutes for JM is completely fair and reasonable to me.

If there was any redistribution to be done, I'd prefer we take 5mpg from AJ and give it to AB at the 4.

Posted by: jones-y | January 22, 2009 1:53 PM

"AB needs those minutes.

Posted by: jones-y"

Absolutely. And he needs them just as much at the 4 as he does at the 5. 20-25 minutes for McGee leaves 20-25 minutes at the 5 for Blatche, along with a good 10-15 at the 4. There's no reason why they both can't get minutes (Jamison can either cut his own minutes a bit, or shift part of his time to SF).

And don't kid yourself. This team is rebuilding. They may not be rebuilding next year, but they most certainly are this year. The only thing that adds value to next season's team is the improvement of players from this team (along with a high draft pick). Playing McGee assists in this. Playing Songaila at the 5 does not.

Posted by: psps23 | January 22, 2009 1:55 PM

Jones-y:

Oh no, I still think, scratch that, KNOW, That BTH is total garbo. I was just stating that your argument saying he is an “average” center further proves my point. Push comes to shove, you are saying losing an average, serviceable center has made the Wizards a bottom feeder. That is nonsense. Basically you are saying that AB and Javale are below average.

-Last I checked, AB is averaging 10 and 5.5 in 23 mins. Am I right?
-Last I checked BTh didn’t average double digit scoring until his 7th year. Am I right?
-Last I checked (according to your theory), 10 and 5 would constitute “serviceable”. Am I right?

And as far as “defending the paint, and clogging the lane”: You act as if our defense was good the last few years! You act as if LBJ didn’t drive the ball to the rack AT WILL the past 3 playoff series. You act as if the Cavs did not DOMINATE us in the paint the past few seasons. If I’m not mistaken, wasn’t BTH in the lineup those seasons?

Put BTH in the lineup right now, and I’d say the Wiz have 4 more wins, max. He sucks and always will.

Again, the reason the Wizards are bottom feeders is NOT DEFENSE. The problem is we are not scoring. 94.6ppg, that’s NOT gonna cut it unless you have a Boston or Detroit defense. The Wizards experienced moderate success the past few years because they outscored opponents, not because BTH was in the lane “locking things down!” LOL! Come on, if the Wizards ever want to get back to mediocrity from garbage, they have to figure out how to score again. If they ever want to figure out how get to elite, from mediocrity, then they have to figure out how to defend. Based on the current personnel management has invested in, the Wizards will not be good defensive team for a very very very long time. Management essentially banked on this team being the Suns/Warriors of the East and being involved in 118-114 shootouts, which will draw attendance and keep them in the playoff race. But this style they have invested in will never get a championship.

To sum it all up, suggesting BTH being out of the lineup has contributed to this teams woes in dead wrong. It’s quite simple, they are not scoring, so they are losing, plain and simple. BTH has absolutely nothing to do with scoring.

Posted by: cj658 | January 22, 2009 1:58 PM

Mcgee once again showed in limited minutes that he is the wizards only real defensive presence inside, he was altering shots and rebounding the misses at a serious clip( 6 boards in 10 minutes) even while being paired with aj and song who both hurt you on d, give him more time and play him next to blatche, ny also needs to be getting more time

Posted by: bford1kb | January 22, 2009 2:47 PM

"I like Brook Lopez, though. No way the Nets give him up for BTH. He's probably as good or better right now than BTH."

Probably? Lopez is a 20-year-old rookie putting up better numbers in his first year than Haywood has in any year of his career. And, unlike Haywood, he can actually create offense in the low post, one-on-one. He may never be a franchise star, but at worst he should have an Ilgauskas-like career ahead of him, and that ain't too bad. The fact that the Bobcats, who have been desperate for a true C to play next to Okafor since day 1, passed on Lopez to draft DJ Augustin is just another pearl on MJ's GM resume.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 22, 2009 2:54 PM

As for McGee . . there's more to defense than blocking shots. He'll swat his way onto the highlight reel a time or two per game, but does that make up for all of the times he's obviously out of position defensively, gets out muscled in the paint or under the boards, or commits cheap reaching fouls because he blew the assignment and was in the wrong place? Not really.

That said, I still think that a regular 12-15 mpg couldn't hurt (at this point, what could?) but all of this talk about starting him and or playing him major minutes is over the top.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 22, 2009 2:57 PM

11 minutes*

Posted by: bford1kb | January 22, 2009 3:00 PM

yea, he didn't block any shots last night and still played very solid defense

Posted by: bford1kb | January 22, 2009 3:01 PM

This team is rebuilding. They may not be rebuilding next year, but they most certainly are this year.

By definition, rebuilding is starting from scratch. And by definition its a multiyear process. The GM of a team does not state that the team has enough to win some games at the very beginning of a rebuilding process... I could go on, but the point is that all indicators point to the fact that we are not rebuilding.

Posted by: jones-y | January 22, 2009 3:57 PM

Last I checked (according to your theory), 10 and 5 would constitute “serviceable”. Am I right?

No. I'm not sure what part of No you can't seem to grasp, but the answer to that question is No, and the fact that you asked that question (although I suspect you asked it somewhat rhetorically) highlights your lack of knowledge.

And I don't even consider myself a highly knowledgeable person when it comes to the nuts and bolts of basketball.

The problem is we are not scoring.

And that's attributable to the other half of my argument: the lack of any sort of consistent 3pt threat.

Its half the problem, yes, and the other half is losing our two best defenders.

Posted by: jones-y | January 22, 2009 4:09 PM

yea, he didn't block any shots last night and still played very solid defense

Posted by: bford1kb | January 22, 2009 3:01 PM


No he didn't

Posted by: jones-y | January 22, 2009 4:11 PM

By definition, rebuilding is starting from scratch. And by definition its a multiyear process....but the point is that all indicators point to the fact that we are not rebuilding.

Posted by: jones-y

By what definition? That's one of the most ridiculous statements I've heard here. Nowhere have I ever heard anybody come remotely close to saying that rebuilding requires "starting from scratch" or a "multi-year process." In one year, the Celtics went from bottom 5 to NBA champions. They did it with their NBA MVP in place from the last 7+ years. Did they rebuild?

And all indicators like letting a veteran like Roger Mason leave in order to provide minutes to 2nd-year player Nick Young?

Or trading last year's starting PG, Antonio Daniels, for a 2nd-year former 1st-round PG and a guy that hasn't left the bench in over a year?

Posted by: psps23 | January 22, 2009 4:17 PM

By what definition? That's one of the most ridiculous statements I've heard here. Nowhere have I ever heard anybody come remotely close to saying that rebuilding requires "starting from scratch" or a "multi-year process."In one year, the Celtics went from bottom 5 to NBA champions. They did it with their NBA MVP in place from the last 7+ years. Did they rebuild?

And all indicators like letting a veteran like Roger Mason leave in order to provide minutes to 2nd-year player Nick Young?

Or trading last year's starting PG, Antonio Daniels, for a 2nd-year former 1st-round PG and a guy that hasn't left the bench in over a year?

Okay then define rebuilding.

Boston loaded up. They didn't rebuild.

We couldn't afford Mason. He played himself out of Abe's price range. Had much more to do with money than it did NY. That theory only got some mention here on this blog.

We got more than JC in the AD trade.

Posted by: jones-y | January 22, 2009 7:34 PM

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