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Haywood Update

Center Brendan Haywood, who has missed the entire season so far with an injury to his right wrist, had a pin removed from the wrist in New York on Wednesday.

Haywood was injured during training camp in October, underwent surgery and was given a four- to six-month timetable for a possible return. The next step will be to see how the wrist responds now that the pin has been removed.

Haywood has consistently declined to speculate on a timetable or to suggest whether he will or won't try to return this season. He has been with the team both at home and on the road, and he's done a lot of workouts involving his left (non-shooting) hand. He should come back with a pretty good left hook based on what I've seen.

By Ivan Carter  |  January 9, 2009; 8:57 AM ET
 
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You can't win in the NBA without a center and Blatche is not a center.
The matador defense that the wizards play requires a large presence in the center position to pickup all of the driving layup artist coming down the middle.
Progress will be made when Haywood returns, yet, I look for some house cleaning of the Wizard bench by season end.
Dixon,Thomas and the guy from the Ukraine have to go.

Posted by: wtress233 | January 9, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Whoo HOO! I hope he comes back sooner rather than later. Even if he comes back with a cast on to protect it and shoots only left handed hooks, we're better with him in there. It's not his scoring that we need. It's his presence.

Posted by: original_mark | January 9, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I think 90% of the Haywood lovers on this board were calling him "Brenda" 2 seasons ago. Suddenly he's Wilt Chamberlein or something.

Posted by: twigmuffin | January 9, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

When Etan's role is defined he plays well,He played well against Howard the other night down in Orlando at least he made Dwight work.I don't have a problem with Dixon if we stop trying to fit a round peg into a square hole he's a good backup at the two and he can play some point if needed just not for extended period's of time.Haywood doesn't seem to be too concerned with rushing himself back to help the team you almost think it's a severe knee injury he's rehabbing.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 9, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

dargregmag: I see on of your posts was in yesterday's Sports ection on page 2.

Posted by: cj658 | January 9, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I called Haywood "Brenda" two years ago. Eddie Jordan turned out to the party at fault in the Haywood saga of the past several years, as Haywood is indeed an above average NBA center who would have reached that level much sooner had Jordan not been so irresponsible feelings towards Haywood color his coach-player relationship with Haywood.
PS Haywood has made Brenda a respectable boys name.

Posted by: emmet1 | January 9, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Haywood is not the answer. Arenas, Stevenson, Butler, Jamison, and Haywood is a one-and-out team (with the average amount of injuries in the NBA).

To be a legitimate contender, the Wiz have to realize the potential of McGee and Blatche and get another first-rate guard (in addition to Arenas).

It's too early to gauge the potential of Crit. Young and McGuire do not have much more potential than being average NBA players.

Bottom line: they might have already have the talent to be a legitimate contender, but it will take a lot of development time on the court for McGee, Crit and Blatche. But the Wiz don't seem to have the DNA to recognize this or act upon it.

At this point, I would trade the lottery pick and a veteran for a quality combo guard.

Posted by: Izman | January 9, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

The only thing that held Haywood back was his own attitude. If he had the ability all along and decided to dog it because Jordan made the unconscionable decision that he should have to work for and earn his minutes by performance, then that's on him.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 9, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Twigmuffin: Thank you for bringing that up. I have been preaching that same notion for quite sometime on the blog. All of a sudden Bredan Haywood is a “solid” center, and not having him in the lineup is the reason we are struggling. Give me a break. BTH is garbage, and I will still call him Brenda. I listen to him on CSN running his mouth, like he knows the answers. He is a 7 footer who ha career #’s of 7 pts and 5 rebs. Come on folks. Next year will be his 9th year in the L, and look at his career #’s. That’s pitiful for a 7 footer. And for those who say we miss him on the defensive end, yeah sure, we were a top defensive team with him in the lineup the past few season (SARCASM). Fact is we were pathetic on defense with him, and are pathetic on defense without him. He is meaningless and has 2 years left in his tank. He talks a good talk, and some fans on here buy into it. I am sure he is enjoying every second of watching the Wiz suffer without him, I bet it makes him feel like he is needed. Centers like him are a dime a dozen, I am sure any 7 footer in the NCAA right now can into the L and average 7 & 5 over a 9 year span. So PLEASE people, lets stop talking about this BUM and when he will return. I’ll never for forget this quote about BTH, “He has hard hands, and a soft heart” lol. Who needs him??

Posted by: cj658 | January 9, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Haywood is not the answer. Arenas, Stevenson, Butler, Jamison, and Haywood is a one-and-out team (with the average amount of injuries in the NBA).

Posted by: Izman | January 9, 2009 9:43 AM

This is absolutely true. The problem with the Wiz goes far deeper than Arenas's knee or Eddie Jordan's coaching or the development of young talent on this team. It goes to how this team has been constructed by Ernie.

NO team is going to deliver a ring in this league without a marquee post-up guy. Kobe can't do it. Lebron can't do it. Dwayne Wade can't do it. Nowitzki couldn't do it. Arenas definitely won't be able to do it.

While high-caliber big men having been moving around the league, Ernie has been too chicken to make a real move to get one and contend for a championship.

Once we saw what we had in Arenas, Ernie should have done anything and everything (including trade Caron Butler) to match Gilbert with a marquee big man and then build around that.

As it is we are stuck.

Posted by: p1funk | January 9, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I see that the Chicago Tribune is reporting that the Bulls are "shopping Hughes aggressively" and may "take virtually anything beyond ridiculous long-term contracts to move Hughes." http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

How about this trade to bring back Larry (who has a terrible contract -- though the Wiz also has a few to trade -- and would be an upgrade over Stevenson)?

Wiz send Thomas, Stevenson and Songolia to the Bulls for Hughes and Aaron Gray (a back up center to fill the hole left by the departure of Thomas and Songolia). It's an upgrade at SG; reduces the back log at center; and should give McGee more playing time. It also works from a salary cap perspective; indeed, it saves the Wiz a little in the short term. In addition, the Bulls have an extra roster spot to do a 3 for 2 trade.

Posted by: davidhazelton | January 9, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

"While high-caliber big men having been moving around the league, Ernie has been too chicken to make a real move to get one and contend for a championship."

Seriously, which do you think is more likely: That Grunfled is literally afraid to make a deal to get a quality big man or that he doesn't have anything anyone would want in return for one.

And who, exactly, are these "high-caliber big men" who've been bouncing so freely around the NBA lately?

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 9, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Trading for Hughes makes no sense. He's ridiculously overpaid and, while he's a good player when healthy he's (A) rarely healthy and (B) not good enough to make any significant difference on this team, given it's overall makeup.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 9, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

"And who, exactly, are these "high-caliber big men" who've been bouncing so freely around the NBA lately?"

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 9, 2009 10:02 AM


Tim Duncan, he just can't seem to find a home anywhere.

Posted by: cj658 | January 9, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

cj our defense is bad with him and horrible without him. with him we can't defend the perimeter. without him we can't defend the paint either.

I too called him brenda. i've also called AJ antionette at times. haywood proved me wrong last year. AJ never really had to it was just a joke...

fact is, haywood was a key member of a playoff team last year. call that what you will, but that means his team was better than at least 14 others, and haywood was a big part of that.

kalorama you know how i feel about EJ's mindgames. I don't think we can put it all on haywood's attitude. Some of it? Sure, but not all of it, not by any means. Fact is EJ decided, for some reason unexplainable to me, to start and play an obviously inferior player over him. Hence my swinging elbows theory. I can't think of anything else that makes sense.

Posted by: jones-y | January 9, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

OK, let’s get serious. Sure this is a big-man’s league (based on the fact that high-quality big-men are the hardest to come by, whether via the draft or FA). But let’s face it, there has only been ONE big man in the NBA that has actually been a “beast” this decade. His name is Shaquille. I’m talking 28 & 15. Those are real #’s. Say what you will about Tim Duncan, but he was on VERY well balance teams in SA. Shaq’s days in Orlando, & LA, he was an absolute monster. SO to be quite honest, all this big man talk is overrated. Dwight Howard is the next big thing, and he will have the East on lock in about 3 years. Look at his #’s now, and he’s only 23. BY the time he is 25, I see him averaging close to Shaq’s #’s or even better. Real Big Men come out about once every decade.

Posted by: cj658 | January 9, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

seems you're contracdicting yourself cj. First Brendan is garbage, now everyone but Shaq is garbage. Not quite sure where you're going with this...

Because if you need a big man, and you have a decent one (because based on your logic that's all that's available) then why throw him under the bus? Why rag on his 'soft heart' if 28 of the other 29 teams are on a level playing field?

Posted by: jones-y | January 9, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

For all of those talking about how BTH and Gil suck and we've been one and done, have you looked at our record lately? Give me the playoffs over the present state any day. Only 8 out of 15 in the conference get in so how is that not an accomplishment? You'd think that we'd been spoiled by multiple championships by the way ppl talk about how getting to the playoffs is nothing and winning the title is all that matters. Our goal should be about getting to the playoffs and once we've been there, taking the next step. We won't get a sniff this year so next year's focus should be getting back to them, not winning the title. After that, we can make changes as necessary to get further. We have to make incremental steps.

Truth is, we have yet to see this team fully healthy with BTH playing full time in the playoffs. Until we do, no one can say that we have no shot at the title. Anyone in the playoffs has a shot. All it takes is a hot streak and at least one star who gets calls.

Posted by: original_mark | January 9, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

My whole point of my previous post, was not to just ramble (sorry, I know I made it seem that way). But my point is, The Wiz will not and have absolutely no shot at getting a “primetime” big man any time in the near future. Even if they do decide to waste their money (via FA) or their lottery pick, on a supposedly “primetime” big man, it will be foolish. We tend forget that we play in the same division as Orlando. Fact is we need to play to our strengths which is guard play, and up tempo basketball. Ditch BTH and Etan, and develop Javale and AB into a DECENT 1-2 combo. (Note I said decent, not great, we simply need them to be reliable- 14 & 8.) And most importantly work on improving the defensive mindset of this team. We cannot beat Orlando at their own game, we need to beat them at our game. Say what you want about Cleveland, but Orlando will be THE team to beat in the East once Boston is through (which will be very soon).

Posted by: cj658 | January 9, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

seems you're contracdicting yourself cj. First Brendan is garbage, now everyone but Shaq is garbage. Not quite sure where you're going with this...

Because if you need a big man, and you have a decent one (because based on your logic that's all that's available) then why throw him under the bus? Why rag on his 'soft heart' if 28 of the other 29 teams are on a level playing field?

Posted by: jones-y | January 9, 2009 10:23 AM


I never said "everyone but Shaq is garbage". Not true. What I said was Sahq he been the only truly DOMINATING bug man this decade. That doesn't mean everyone else is garbage. That simply means, to win a championship, you do not a Dominating big man, such as Shaq. Duncan, KG, Amare, all good, but not "dominating" (meaning they will never average 28 & 14 over a 82 game season). But all those guys are good, solid big men. BTH on the other hand is total trash. BTH averages 7 & 5 over a 9 year career, pathetic. My point is, lets try to mold JVM, and AB into "solid" big men (15 & 9), and hope the rest of our team can balance out, much like the Spurs and Celts. Dwight is the only big man in the L who is "dominating", and no player will come close to leap-frogging him. I do not see how I contradited myself.

Posted by: cj658 | January 9, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Pardon my grammar in that 2nd sentence. I was typing fast and on the phone at the same time at work. I am really not a 9th grade special ed student. But you know what I meant.

Posted by: cj658 | January 9, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

True we miss Brendan, more than I ever thought we would, but only on defense. Don't forget about his Kwamesque ability to let the ball slip through his fingers on offense. He is not the center we need to go deep into the playoffs let alone win a championship. But he WILL be an upgrade to the starting lineup and the fact that the Wiz will not have to start 4 forwards.

Posted by: lameotron | January 9, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

"(Note I said decent, not great, we simply need them to be reliable- 14 & 8.)"

You realize that we have exactly that in BTH and ET, right?

And defensive mindset? The other 4 positions on the floor are the issue, NOT the middle (with BTH that is). And there is no way on earth AB and JM develop into better defenders than BTH and ET in the next 3 years. If you're talking furhter down the road, maybe, just maybe, but no time soon...

We have two windows. One is open next year and the two years following, and the other one is after AJ and BTH get phased out in favor of AB and JM. That one opens 3/4 years down the road.

Posted by: jones-y | January 9, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

BTH has averaged about 1 turnover per game. I don't see many balls slip through his fingers, actually. Kwame is in a whole other league as far as hands go. Kwame was Carlos Rogers-esque.


Posted by: original_mark | January 9, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"Trading for Hughes makes no sense. He's ridiculously overpaid and, while he's a good player when healthy he's (A) rarely healthy and (B) not good enough to make any significant difference on this team, given it's overall makeup.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 9, 2009 10:04 AM "

Why would "not being healthy" be a disqualifier for Les BouleS?

How healthy has Gilby been the past 3 years and that didn't stop EG from giving him max money.

Keep in mind, the only time Les BouleS made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs recently was when LH was on the team with Gilby.

I'd say trade for LH if other names like Thabo S., Ben Gordon, or Tyrus Thomas are mentioned also....as long as they will take ET, OPech, DSong, MeShawn, etc.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 9, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

"(Note I said decent, not great, we simply need them to be reliable- 14 & 8.)"

You realize that we have exactly that in BTH and ET, right?


I know I joke around around a lot, but I's assuming you are joking now! When I said 14 & 8, I meant for each player, not combined. Yeah, BTH & ET give us those #'s COMBINED. I mean develop AB and JVM into guys who will give us 14 & 8 EACH. it's really not to far fetched. And as far as defensive mindset, you are right, the problem is with the other 4 players. That’s why I said the “mindset” of the team as a whole. Unless have KG or TD in the middle right now, we are still a pretty lousy defensive team. That’s why I say ditch Haywood and ET. My point is, what they bring us on defense, does not make up for their pathetic play on offense and the boards. Putting JVM and AB in the middle is only a slight step back defensive, yet they are young and still have time to develop, and can give us some offense. At least Javale can catch an alley-oop. Point is, sure JVM is raw, but he adds a whole new dimension to the offense. He can do things BTH can only dream of, and he has SO much more potential. If it weren’t for the Wizards, he would not even be in the L right now. Dwight Howard was singing Javale’s praises year, along with a few other guys. Do you remember anyone singing BTH’s praises his rookie year. Could you honestly see BTH catching the ball in mid-air and throwing it down. I think he eats pregame meals with Carlos Rogers.

Posted by: cj658 | January 9, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Actullay, feel free to round BTH rebound average to 6...most people don't round down from 5.9 unless they're manipulating statistics.

Also, not sure how you rounded 7 years of pro basketball into a 9 year career.

Granted, the numbers themselves don't alter your point significantly (although it shows a lack of objectivity). Regardless, it is reasonable to expect that the BTH we would be fielding this year is the BTH who averaged 10.6/7 last year, not the one who averaged 7.5/6 over a career.

He's a legitimate option. Not an all star, but that's why we have three other guys who are.

Posted by: crs-one | January 9, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"If it weren’t for the Wizards, he would not even be in the L right now."

Talking about BTH of course.

Posted by: cj658 | January 9, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I've been drinking some Kool-Aid and Stolichnaya but whaddya think? Send Jamison to Utah for Carlos Boozer.

Why Utah does this: Boozer will opt out this year. Get someone of quality before he leaves with nothing to show for it.

Why Washington does this: Obviously an upgrade. Boozer provides an interior toughness this team desperately needs as well as a sweet mid-range jumper.

Condition: Cheap Abe steps up to the plate, swallows the luxury tax and signs Boozer to a contract extension, offering serious money, figuring it’s now or never to get the title. Which is why it won’t happen.

If you think it’s too one-sided in favour of Washington, would you also include our pick for theirs (especially if you figure this is a weak draft) and a useful shooter like Kyle Korver. Throw in DS and send him back to where he started.

Posted by: mugsybol | January 9, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Haywood averaged closer to 2 TOs per game (1.7) to be exact. And while that's not a lot per say, when taken in context (context is always important) with the fact that he only shot the ball a little over 7 times per game and barely dished out 1 APG, 2 TOs isn't really a good number, in the context of the ratio of turnovers to the number of times he touched the ball.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 9, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

CRS-ONE: yeah, I did round down from 5.9, it just sounded better to prove my point. But still 6 rebs is pathetic for a 7 footer. And next year will indeed be his ninth year, he was drafted in 2001. Sorry, but if you miss a year due to injury, that year still counts, it’s not like he magically didn’t age this year. Basically, the #’s do not lie. This guy was drafted in 2001, it is now 2009. Over that time he has averaged 7.5 pts and 5.9 rebs. He is listed at 7’0, 263. Again, those #’s are horrid. So for you to say he is a legit option is pretty strange.

Posted by: cj658 | January 9, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

"If it weren’t for the Wizards, he might have an all star appearance by now"

Talking about BTH of course.


Ben Wallace made the all star team in 2005-2006 averaging 7, 11 and 2 blocks.
If the Wiz (EJ) hadn't held him back because of a personal grudge, he might be better than he is.

Posted by: original_mark | January 9, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

...talking about BTH.

Posted by: original_mark | January 9, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

But let’s face it, there has only been ONE big man in the NBA that has actually been a “beast” this decade. His name is Shaquille. I’m talking 28 & 15. Those are real #’s

Posted by: cj658 | January 9, 2009 10:14 AM


When did Shaq average 15 rpg? CircleJerk658 check ur stats before u talk s#!t about Brenda. or were u being (sarcastic)?
larryinasoinwofiwofmd

Posted by: prescrunk | January 9, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

He averaged over 13 boards on multiple occasions skunk. I was making a point. Sorry I was off by 1.5 rebs. I don’t think it makes a difference. Brendan Haywood still averages half that. It does not affect my argument one way or another, skunk.

Posted by: cj658 | January 9, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

The Jazz have no interest in Jamison. Guys who don't play defense don't play for Jerry Sloan. Besides, when Boozer walks (and I believe he will) they've already got his replacement on board: Paul Millsap. He's started 20 games in place of an injured Boozer. he's averaging 15 and 10 overall (with 2 apg) and has a streak of 19 straight double-doubles (including his last game against the Hornets when he went for 27, 14, and 4 assists).
And to think, the Wizards could have drafted him instead of Pecherov.

Of course there's also the fact that, since Boozer will be a FA, no team is going to trade for him unless they believe he'll resign with them, and there's no reason to think he'd be falling all over himself to join the Wizards.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 9, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

well next season is the last, under contract, for both haywood and thomas. so that also means that up until sometime in february, 2010, they will be considered for trades.

if they are not traded, we probably shouldn't expect both of them to return, and maybe not either. do we really want to resign either of them, both of whom will be over 30 by then, to a long term contract, unless it's pretty darn cheap?

Posted by: segastyle | January 9, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

It does not affect my argument one way or another, skunk.

Posted by: cj658 | January 9, 2009 11:27 AM

yeah distorting the facts is still a pretty solid way to make a case

larryiwnegoiwngowmd

Posted by: prescrunk | January 9, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Mark, good point about Wallace, but honestly look at the two players. Could you ever in your wildest dream see Brendan attacking the boards like Ben? I know we all watched those Pistons teams from 01-05, and Ben was a beast. Brenda often looks like he’s playing volleyball when he goes up for boards. Not to mention the fact that Ben Wallace is 4 inches shorter than BTH, and still averages over 4 rebs more per game than BTH, over their careers.

Posted by: cj658 | January 9, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

...a left handed hook would be a nice addition to BTH's game. My only question is how will it affect his ability to grasp dreadlocks and dish on the poet.

Get LH back, if you can move ET, DSteve and or OPech. Keep DSong.

Posted by: oddjob1 | January 9, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I would hardly call it “distorting the facts”. I would simply call it a “slight exaggeration”. Good lawyers do it all the time. It’s kind of like saying a $950 TV costs, $1,000. It doesn’t matter either way, skunk. But you fail to see the whole picture, skunk. You are only seeing the top, left hand side of the picture. The entire picture is this, whether it was 15 rebs, or 13.5 rebs, no man was coming close to those type of #’s (Points and Rebounds). So call it what you will, but you are still not negating my argument.

Posted by: cj658 | January 9, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I think you can pretty much count on Thomas being traded if they can find any takers. I'm sure Grunfeld would like to keep Haywood, but I wouldn't be surprised if he declined to sign an extension and tested the FA market. There will be a demand for his services and i don't think he'd blink if a contender offered him the right money and a better chance to win a title.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 9, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Haywood is never going to be Shaq or rebound like Ben Wallace, but he is a big body who knows how to play the game. History has taught us that a team does not need a stud center to win a championship. Michael Jordan won a few with Bill Cartwright, Boston won last year with Perkins and the Spurs won with Tim Duncan playing power forward.

I think if the Wizards had any sense next year they would play BTH C, Blatche at PF, DM SF, CB SG, GA PG, and AJ 6th Man. I still don’t think that team is talented enough to win a championship but they should make the playoffs.

Until this team finds a real point guard who knows how to get his teammates the ball and a coach who knows how to coach in the NBA (working with millionaires with different personalities) they will never win a championship.

I like Tom Thibodeau for the next head coach, but with all of the teams that are looking for head coaches and CHEAP ABE will not spend a lot of money; I think we will end up with Wes Unseld JR.

http://www.nba.com/celtics/roster/coaches/tom-thibodeau.html

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 9, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse


Bulletsfan78: The Wizards are not paying AJ over 12 million next season to be a “sixth man”. Plus, (as much as I hate to admit it), he has been our most consistent player (20 & 10). No player who averages 20 & 10 2 straight seasons comes off the bench.

Posted by: cj658 | January 9, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

It also wouldn't surprise me if Haywood went to a bad team, if they throw enough money his way. Either way, his return is far from a lock, regardless of how much the Wiz may want to keep him.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 9, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse


Best years for both players

Haywood 10.6ppg and 7.2 reb, 27:48 07-08
9.4ppg & 6.8 reb, 27:23 04-05
blocks 1.7 both years

Shaq 29.7ppg 13.7reb, min 40:00 99-00
28.7ppg 12.7reb, min 39:30 00-01
block 3 and 2.8
Extrapolating Haywood's limited minutes out to match Shaq's is of course an exercise in the absurd; so here goes.
Up BH's minutes by %40 and you get about 38 minutes:
14.8 pts 10.08 rebs
13.1 pts 9.52 rebs
2.38 blocks

Haywood may not be top shelf but he's not chopped liver either.

Posted by: pdarroch | January 9, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

@cj658:
YES! Man, I can't agree more with you about Brenda's lack of credentials.

The silver lining to all this? With the wiz tanking this season maybe some other execs out there in NBA-land will think Brenda is the answer to THEIR woes and give us a good trade for him.

Posted by: Matte | January 9, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Furthermore, ANYbody who could watch Brenda in his years as a wizard and think he's anything more than (barely) servicable is drinking too much kool-aid.

Posted by: Matte | January 9, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"I think you can pretty much count on Thomas being traded if they can find any takers. I'm sure Grunfeld would like to keep Haywood, but I wouldn't be surprised if he declined to sign an extension and tested the FA market. There will be a demand for his services and i don't think he'd blink if a contender offered him the right money and a better chance to win a title.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 9, 2009 11:47 AM "

BTH walking wouldn't be a surprise, but it was EG who stuck his neck out and made it clear that BTH was staying irregardless of what EJ thought.

BTH does not need to be all world, all star on this team.

He provides steady and solid contributions at the 5 positions and that's what they need and are currently lacking. The 3 all stars are lucky they have a center who aren't like them, namely someone who commands the ball so much.

BTW, don't count on Caron being a lock to stick around when his time is up either.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 9, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"The Jazz have no interest in Jamison. Guys who don't play defense don't play for Jerry Sloan.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 9, 2009 11:27 AM "

Hmm, maybe that's why Utah let MeShawn go to Orlando. He really doesn't play any D either, although he's credited with being Les BouleS toughest defender.

I guess it's relative. Any great thing on Les BouleS may not be so great in the overall NBA scheme of things.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | January 9, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Brendan's "value added" over any of our other options at center comes from his brain and his mouth. He did a much better job of directing the defense. Not that we were great or even decent before, but now we're horrible.

With Brendan, we were like a chicken trying to defend its nest.

Without Brendan, we're like that same chicken trying to defend its nest, only now the chicken's head has been cut off.

Posted by: yop32 | January 9, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

The point about Haywood working on this left hand while he's been injured reminds me of that movie Cinderella Man. He was a wasged up boxer who hurt his main hand while working and was forced to use is other hand in his construction (I think) job. Anyways, when he made a comeback he was a much better fighter because he all of a sudden had two lethal hands.

Maybe this injury will be a blessing in disguise for Brendan. Maybe he'll come back with a left hand, and as a result he'll actually be able to grab a rebound.


Posted by: tedunni1 | January 9, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

NOTE TO CJ658: Thanks for the heads up on my post being in the local paper i'm here in the ATL so i didn't know, appreciate it and i'm trying to get a copy of it, thanks again.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 9, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Bulletsfan78: The Wizards are not paying AJ over 12 million next season to be a “sixth man”.

Posted by: cj658 | January 9, 2009 11:59 AM

San Antonio pays Ginobili 9.9 mil
Lakers pay Odom 11.4 mil
Dallas pays Terry 9 mil

and they all come off the bench. Just because a player does not start does not mean he will not get his minutes. If Gil comes back the team will need DM defense since neither Gil nor AJ want to play defense.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 9, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Ref: David Hazelton today:

I see that the Chicago Tribune is reporting that the Bulls are "shopping Hughes aggressively" and may "take virtually anything beyond ridiculous long-term contracts to move Hughes." http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

How about this trade to bring back Larry (who has a terrible contract -- though the Wiz also has a few to trade -- and would be an upgrade over Stevenson)?

Wiz send Thomas, Stevenson and Songolia to the Bulls for Hughes and Aaron Gray (a back up center to fill the hole left by the departure of Thomas and Songolia). It's an upgrade at SG; reduces the back log at center; and should give McGee more playing time. It also works from a salary cap perspective; indeed, it saves the Wiz a little in the short term. In addition, the Bulls have an extra roster spot to do a 3 for 2 trade.

Posted by: davidhazelton | January 9, 2009 10:01 AM


I think that is a great trade. We need Larry Hughes as much as he would like to be with the Wiz. Not many players would say that. The Bulls may have some problems with the length of the Wiz contracts except for Etan. Etan has a trade kicker that could also make a difference.

I am ready for Larry Hughes. He was a favorate player for me. The Wiz would be much better with Larry.

Ernie, it is your turn.

Posted by: JoeC2 | January 9, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Poeple tend to forget that BTH plays next to 2 rebounding forwards... who last year averaged about 16 rebounds per game... Ofcourse he wont rebound as much...

Posted by: CaribbeaSkillz | January 9, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Sorry CaribbeaSkillz, but that argument really doesn't hold any water. He plays next to two rebounding forwards who play on the perimeter and who he has all kinds of inches and pounds on. If you're going to make a "one goes up so one goes down" argument, then shouldn't it be Jamison and Butler's rebounds that decrease as Haywood's go up?

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 9, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

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