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Worst Ever?

The Wizards dropped to 7-30 with last night's loss to Milwaukee and has lost five straight, so we all know that the days of talking about a playoff a run are over. The question now is this: Could this be the worst team in franchise history?

The low mark was set by the first team in franchise history, the 1962-63 Chicago Packers, who slugged their way to an 18-62 finish.

The latest really bad Wiz team was the 19-63 Leonard Hamilton-coached squad of 2000-2001.

Please share your thoughts.

By Ivan Carter  |  January 13, 2009; 8:40 AM ET
 
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Hear about Eddy Curry?? Ouch. Not looking good folks.

Posted by: cj658 | January 13, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

no were just tanking against some really bad teams ........... but lets trade deshawn and darius for expirings this year or next year .... myby larry hughes or whatever

Posted by: jahbless420 | January 13, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

We could be the worst ever. But it will not be because we have the worst players ever.

It could be because of the worst direction ever and giving in to common do's and dont's about the right things that should be done in the NBA.

Play for next year.

Rookies can't play cause they have too learn on the bench or the D league.

Interim coaches can't be fired till the end of the year.

Refuse to run the ball so you can manage the game better.

Fit your players to the coaching instead of fitting your coaching to the players.

Always play experienced players over the inexperienced players, especially during crunch situations.

Always adjust to the other teams strength instead of forcing the other team to adjust to yours.

Continally playing out of position because you think that is better.

Not realizing that man to man defense means you must stay with your man.

You cannot lose your man on his first move. That kills a man to man defense and the other team always has open good shots.

If you are always switching on the first move you might as well play zone defense predominantly.

Not recognizing that making defensive stops means stopping your man first. Its easier this way than always switching.

Not letting the players run the game on the floor by preparing them off the floor first.

Not realizing as good teams do, that the players should control the game flow and create team chemistry.

We can go on and on. As long as these characteristic are evident, YEAH, we could be the worst Team ever.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 13, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Ivan,

Don't you think it's time to start a "Who should the Wiz draft?" poll or watch? At this point it seems more interesting to muse about which college player could have the most immediate impact and fit in with what we have/will have next year.

Posted by: thinker11 | January 13, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

They all need to start thinkin about revamp the team now. I dont understand y there r no rumors about the wizards tradin some of their plyers b/c it should start to come up at this point

Posted by: forbid | January 13, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Let's get rid of Ernie

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Posted by: erniegone | January 13, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I would package bad contract plyers like thomas, stevenson, or songaila with butler for a guy who has contract expired this year (Lafrentz), trade jamison too while he still can ply. just restore the team except keep the young core guys intact

Posted by: forbid | January 13, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

This team has better talent then the 00-01 team that is what makes this year's team the worst ever!

The 00-01 and 08-09 teams have different players, different coaches, and different GM’s, but both s@ck. What is the one thing both teams have in common? (see answer below)

Is it just me or does anyone else find it strange that Michael (president of basketball operations as well as a minority owner) came out of retirement at age 38 to play basketball for the Washington Wizards after the 00-01 season. He got the fans to come back and made _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ a ton of money. (see answer below)

Answer CHEAP ABE

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | January 13, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I still believe this team will make the playoffs, and Caron and Antawn will make the all-star team. Wow, this Kool-Aid is delicious!

By the way, Ivan, do you still stand by your comment a couple months ago that if given the choice between McGee and Greg Oden, you would take McGee and not even worry about it? Talk about Kool-Aid....

Posted by: disgruntledfan | January 13, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Not the worst team ever because of the young pieces. I know many here are anti-EG, but I think he has done an excellent job at acquiring young talent for this teams future.

Nick young
Dom McGuire
JaVale McGee
J. Crittenton
Andray Blatche
And even Pech.

Not a very good season and may finish with worst record ever for Wiz but because of the future outlook cant be worst team ever.

Posted by: zxhoya | January 13, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

To be 18-62 or 19-63, Wizards would need to be 11-32, or 12-33 for the remaining games. Which means Wizards need to win more than 1 out of ever 3 games! So far this team has not been able to do that. Yeah this is the team that has great potential to go down history as the worst team!

Posted by: sagaliba | January 13, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

I don't think the question is whether this will be the worst record in franchise history. It's whether management will acknowledge the season is beyond saving and will use it as an opportunity to build a strong supporting cast (and some outright stars) to complement Arenas, Haywood and Stephenson when they get back from their injuries.

If the Wizards do that (which they seem to be doing lately by giving Young, Crittenton, McGuire and McGee more minutes) then they can go forward and do great things next season -- even finish this season on a bright note.

But to think competing for the playoffs now is a dream. That ship isn't sinking; like Micheal Ray Richardson once said; that ship be sunk. This team shouldn't be in the playoffs even if they bought tickets.

--iceberg

Posted by: jcbcmb68 | January 13, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

The more I see Nick Young play the more I'm convinced that he should be starting and getting more minutes. If he can just improve his defense and limit his turnover he can be a very good player for many years. I wish the team didn't sign Deshawn to a multi year contract.

Posted by: Dave381 | January 13, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Injuries are killing us. We'll be the worst team this year, but worst to first next year. If Gil and Brenda come back slow this year and work up to some solid minutes by April then, given the depth that we're developing now, we will be hit the ground running next year. The ideal situation would be for us to start next year winning games with Gil, Tawn and CB playing right around 30 minutes a game.

Posted by: Matte | January 13, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

It's not about how this season started that will determine its level of "bad", it will be how this season ends the season. If Crit, Young, Blatche, McGuire, and McGee all improve, this team could end up making a 76ers-style improvement (not making the playoffs, mind you). They could go from youngsters with potential to youngsters that are actually players in this league.

Posted by: psps23 | January 13, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Ivan,

Are you trying to find out more about Arenas' knee? There must be more to the story than the team, or Arenas, is letting on. It does not normally take 2 and 1/2 years to recover from a torn meniscus. That something unusual and significant must have happened, or was discovered, apart from the surgeries they have disclosed. This long, strange period of silence/minimalistic information reminds me of the aftermath of Bo Jackson's injury. And we all know what eventually happened to him. His career was ended.

Posted by: Hobbes3 | January 13, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

this may be the "best" worst team ever. 3 all-stars, a quality center, 3 young talented wing players. This team should roll out of bed and win 30 games just off talent alone.

Posted by: CBell29 | January 13, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

The Wizards have made two glaring mistakes.

One was investing $111M on a player in Gilbert Arenas that has a history of injury problems and who still has not made the commitment to being a two-way player in the NBA.

The second was not surrounding the 'soft' triumvirate of Arenas-Butler-Jamison with physical rebounders and defenders at center, power forward and in the backcourt.

Given the team's run up to the salary cap, the answer was to try and find players in the draft.

But instead of finding an Andrew Bynum, the Wizards instead took 'soft' offensive players like Pecherov and Nick Young.

While Young is an offensive talent he doesn't diversify what the Wizards can do on the court as a team (figuring on a healthy roster) as the trio of Arenas-Butler-Jamison already were posting 70 point nights for the club.

This team needs rebounding and defense.

For some reason Grunfeld refuses to draft or trade for this type of gritty role player, despite the fact that each offseason it appears several such veterans switch teams.

In the NBA if you rebound the ball and play defense you are going to be in almost every game.

If you add 1-2 legitimate scorers you then can be a contender.

The Wizards have the second half of the equation in place but where is the first?

Fans in Washington have been waiting more than 3 years for the front office to bring in some rebounding and defense.

Posted by: leopard09 | January 13, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

This may be the best season ever, if the lottery treats us well and we end up with Blake Griffin.

Posted by: KingME1 | January 13, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Any Pollin owned team will be miserable. He's always been a skinflint and NBA players know it and are always glad to leave the team - at which time they inevitably become more successful.

Posted by: pd2710 | January 13, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

We will only be the worst ever if we have no progress. That was the most impressed I have ever been with a loss because of the promise of the five young players on the court at the same time. They are just faster and more athletic than the other aging, non-athletic players.

Crittenton should work on a jumpshot, just enough to scare a team to leave him alone. He can get to the basket at will and is the point guard of the future.

Young has arrived. Making this guy the feature will only make him better. All he needs is maturity.

McGuire, all he needs is a consistent open long range shot. His energy is enough.

Blatche just needs to take it to the basket more. Hopefully a knock down 15 footer, but again he has the skills.

McGee, needs the most work. He's just too lean right now. He has to be able to hold his own on the block.

Keep Jamison, Butler, Arenas, Haywood, James, hopefully draft Griffin, and PLEASE get rid of Thomas, Pecherov, Dixon and STEVENSON. These guys just aren't good enough or have enough potential to justify roster spaces on a rebuilding team.

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Posted by: atruesportsjunkie | January 13, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

"Fans in Washington have been waiting more than 3 years for the front office to bring in some rebounding and defense.

Posted by: leopard09"

You forget, originally that's what Caron Butler was brought in for (although he's blossomed out of that role), that's what Stevenson was brought in for (although he's not very good at it), and that's what McGuire's current role is. IMO, they could use another big man in that role too.

But what you said earlier was correct regarding the type of players the team has. And it further highlights why everyone is questioning the insistence on slowing the ball down as much as possible. That's not how this team was built. They may be "soft", but they're also faster and quicker on the break than most teams (when healthy). It's puzzling to see a coach negate that advantage.

Posted by: psps23 | January 13, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

It is not Kool Aid that I am drinking, but this team has better than seven win talent. I for the life of me can't understand why we have so many players playing out of what could\should be their natural positions.

Etan Thomas is a dependable PF, which would provide weakside rebounding, scoring and defense while these young centers (McGee and Blatche) learn the game and utilize their natural athletic ability.
Songailia and OP would make a nice trio at the position. Speaking of which what is the deal with OP?

Butler should have been playing SG a long time ago. Stevenson should never have been getting the large amount of minutes that he was getting. Nick Young should get all the minutes that Butler does not get. While he is on the bench, our defense guru should be in ear prepping him for when he goes back in.

Jamison should be playing SF, yea he is going to have defense problems but he is a defensive liability anywhere he plays but at least that will give us some matchup issues down low and since he shoots so many long jumpers, would a potential rebounder away from the basket. McGuire spells him which would make Jamison more productive at the end of games.

James and Crittendon should be getting all the minutes PG. PERIOD.

I like a lot of fans just dont understand what is going with the management of the team. What is most frustrating is that we dont seem to have any direction what so ever. That is what is frightening as a long time fan.

Posted by: skinniedee62 | January 13, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

FIRE ED RASCLOT!!!!

Posted by: prescrunk | January 13, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Will this team have the worst record in franchise history? Possibly. But anyone who remembers the bad old days knows this isn't the worst team by far. At least some of the players on this team have the potential to develop into something.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 13, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Tell me how we go from a perinial playoff team under EJ's watch to a team that is in total disaray and now I see where people on this post are talking about getting rid of Butler and Jamison are you all crazy?I hope all you EJ haters are happy now,he's a lousy coach,he'holding back Blatche,he won't play the young guys,PLEASE!!!!WE ARE THE WORST TEAM IN THE NBA. Even EJ would have had them playing better than this can't hold a lead down the stretch,no offensive continuity in late game situations,not designing plays for your two experienced veteran's(Butler&Jamison)at crunch time yeah i know NY was hot last night but why would you not figure out play's that would get the ball to Caron or Antwan? The Buck's knew that Young was killing them so why not use Nick as a decoy? This is Grunfeld's mess he and his "buddy". I bet EJ can't stop laughing.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 13, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

We need Blake Griffin. A young strong, athletic PF with good range and skills. He would vbe the best rebounder we have had since Chris Weber. Then we just have to keep him out of Love!(the club that is)

Posted by: bacontown13 | January 13, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Just because we could get the first pick in the draft doesn't mean we'll do something with it. Remember our last first pick?

Posted by: lameotron | January 13, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

>"Any Pollin owned team will be miserable. He's always been a skinflint and NBA players know it and are always glad to leave the team - at which time they inevitably become more successful.

Posted by: pd2710"

Can we please put this myth to rest? Pollin just signed Arenas to a $111 million contract. He just signed Jamison to a $50 million contract. Stevenson and Blatche got $15 million each last season. Pollin is paying people... they just may not be the right people to get paid.

And let's not forget this: Abe Pollin built Verizon Center with his own money. He didn't threaten to leave DC for, say, Oklahoma City until someone else agreed to finance it for him. He did it himself. The man in personally responsible for resurrecting downtown Washington, DC. All that stuff you see in Chinatown? That's there because Abe Pollin decided to pony up the money and build us an arena in DC. So don't be knocking the man; he may not know how to build a winning basketball team, but the man has been beyond good to DC, and he definitely isn't cheap.

Now, the team: We are soft and short, and there's not much you can do about the second part of that. If someone could convince Blatche to get in the weight room and put on the muscle that his frame could hold, he could be a beast, but it doesn't sound like it's going to happen with him - he doesn't have the work ethic. McGee needs a few years to naturally fill out, but when he does, he could be pretty good. Young needs to fill out too, but his jumpshot has finally started coming around to wear we thought it would be. If he could put on the muscle to hold his own on defense (and to punish some people with physicality and not just moves on offense), he could be a legit starting 2-guard. Crittenton doesn't know what he's doing yet, but he needs time to play and figure it out. Caron just looks hurt this year... he doesn't have the lift right now. I'd let him rest up for a few weeks, give the kids some run, and shoot for that number 1 pick and (hopefully) the banging power forward or legit point guard we desperately need.

Posted by: Ootek | January 13, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Yes, this will be the worst season ever. I have watched this team consistently since the early 90's and I have seen some awful teams over the years but this one takes the cake. 10 wins tops! Hopefully we can get the No. 1 pick and we'll draft someone better than Kwame!

Posted by: redpitbull98 | January 13, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

The Miami Dolphins went to 1-15 last year (and fifteen games out of first place) to winning the division next year.

The appropriate question is how they are going to win the division next year.

They don't need another draft choice but their record is so bad it's now worth waiting to see if they get the 1 or 2 pick.

In a nutshell, they need a quality veteran guard alongside Arenas (by trading the pick) and they need to develop Crit, Young, Mac, Blatche and McGee for fill-in roles.

Posted by: Izman | January 13, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Worst?----maybe.

If Gil comes back for 8 or 10 games we might win more than 19 but I'd be surprised.
Someone has to be able to find a way to score in the 4th.
17 points ain't getting it.

Hold Young out til the 4th & give him the ball & get outa the way.
Can't do worse than they are now.

Posted by: VBFan | January 13, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

its so neat being able to live GroundHog day in real life as a Wizards fan, such fun!


http://www.wizardsextreme.com

Posted by: WizardsExtreme | January 13, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

The arena was empty again last night. Same ole story. Wiz collapse in the clutch again. Anyone still believe Eddie Jordan was the problem? Anyone think the years of bad drafting have caught up with the Wiz yet? Cheap Abe as Bulletsfan78 keeps saying isn't making to much money from ticket sales this season. I don't think he's cheap, he just makes terrible contract deals with his talent. The Wizards/Bullets haven't made it to the Conference or NBA finals since 1979. 30 years of pain. Yeah this team and franchise is pitiful and maybe the worst ever. Let's see how they finish the season.

I saw someone trying to compare Dwayne Wade to Gilbert Arenas. Please, Wade is a future hall of famer and a top 5 player in the league. Gil even in his best days here was never a top 5 player in the league. I wish we could trade Gil for D-Wade, but that will never happen. When Abe is no longer the owner, I hope the curse of the le boule will be gone. The old man may have kept the team in DC, but they still suck. Be happy everyone, the Wiz/Bullets season is almost over; I can't wait for the playoffs to see the real teams play for the championship.

Posted by: wizfan81 | January 13, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Will this team have the worst record in franchise history? Possibly. But anyone who remembers the bad old days knows this isn't the worst team by far. At least some of the players on this team have the potential to develop into something.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 13, 2009 10:34 AM

This is coming from the same person who recently said a team is only as good as their record. Essentially saying, that a team’s record is the most effective barometer in determining how good/bad a team is. Fact is, if this team only wins 15 games, they will be the worst team in franchise history, period. Not only the worst, but the most disappointing. This was a playoff team last year, with 2 all-stars in the starting line-up. It is the same team as last year, minus a back-up shooting guard, and a sub-par center. To be on track to only win 15 games is mind-boggling. Those teams in the “bad old days”, did not have any bona fide all-stars, nor were they playoff teams the year before.

So the answer is yes, barring some unforeseen win-streak this is the worst Wizards team ever. This team actually had expectations before the season started. Those teams in the “bad old days” had absolutely no expectations, and quite frankly, everyone expected them to be awful. Simple as that.

Posted by: cj658 | January 13, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Please don’t compare Blake to Kwame. Kwame was all potential and Blake Griffin is proven, at least in college.

I think easing the young guys is the proper way of going about the season. If you play all the young players’ heavy minutes we would get blown out of every game, at least 30 points. Then everyone would say that our young core is crap. Patients is the key. I still believe that the wiz should move either Antawn or Blatche, be pro-active for once. How long can Antawn keep throwing up those crazy shots. Trade for Larry and trade Antawn to Minnesota were he can start and get the Timberwolves in the play-offs next year. Keep our young core and draft either Griffin or Jordan Hill (who might fit better with the Wiz). Next starters should be: Gil, Larry, Caron, Brendan and our #1 pick.

Posted by: dsquare | January 13, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse


Wizfan81: Good points, say what you want about Abe, but he is NOT cheap. Spending 111 million on an injury-prone, PG who plays defense on a high school level is hardly cheap. Spending 50 mill on a 32 y/o, overachieving PF is hardly cheap. Good moves? NO. But they were not cheap moves. I think a good word would be "naïve". Maybe even "stupid", but I have trouble calling a man who essentially resurrected a section of downtown DC “stupid”, so I won’t.

If Abe was so “cheap”, he would have said, F%^k you Gil, leave. Perhaps being cheap would have made more sense this past off-season, as I believe the Wiz would be better off with that 161 mill in their pockets, and then making a run in 2010, which is going to be one of the best FA markets in the history of the NBA.

Posted by: cj658 | January 13, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I like this Kid Griffin brought up by KingMe1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRaiSlJEEvM&NR=1

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | January 13, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Just because we could get the first pick in the draft doesn't mean we'll do something with it. Remember our last first pick?

Posted by: lameotron | January 13, 2009 10:42 AM


Just because they get the first pick also doesn't mean they'll get a franchise player. Haven't been following college bball all that closely, but the breakdowns that I've read from the people paid to know all seem to say that there aren't any Tim Duncans or Dwight Howards in this draft.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 13, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

"How long can Antawn keep throwing up those crazy shots.

Posted by: dsquare"

I don't see why he can't do it for a long time. It's not like Jamison gets by like Shaq, relying on physical dominance to play the game, thus severely feeling the effect age has on his ability. If anything, Jamison will play at a higher level longer than most other big men due to his style of play. Just my opinion.

Posted by: psps23 | January 13, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Worst record? Quite possibly. Nobody wins in the NBA playing a group of first and second year players, which is where the Wizards talent is at this point.

Worst team, far from it. The Leonard Hamilton team was a mess, nothing to build around. This team has youth with a lot of potential. Plus a top 15 in the league player if Gil regains his health and a top 10 draft pick that Grunfeld won't squander.

There are also a group of expiring contracts in hand that will, A; create cap space for free agents. Or, B; be used to acquire a high priced vet with a longterm deal that someone wants to dump. Grunfeld pulled a similar move in acquiring Jamison.

The pick, expiring contracts, and Jamison, or Butler, could be combined to make a big move. So there are options. MJ couldn't see a good option to improve back in 2001 except coming out of retirement.

Posted by: flohrtv | January 13, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Good insight LarryInClintonMD. I think even if the Wiz got a top guy like Griffin, he'd be sitting the bench to "earn" his minutes. Maybe Tapscott is purposely doing everything wrong to get out of coaching and back to the front office.

Posted by: t-train | January 13, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Abe is not cheap. Many teams in the NBA are unwilling to exceed the salary cap, and we never will either as we do not have the market size of NY, Chicago or LA. He has also been a GREAT citizen, not only in building Verizon out of his own pocket, but in his progressive hiring policies and philanthropy with community and charitable organizations. He has changed thousands of lives for the better and resurrected downtown by building Verizon center in a part of town no one would touch since the 1968 riots. He deserves to have a street named after him. I love the guy. That said, he has been a poor judge in choosing GMs and coaches since the late 1970s. I don't think he understands today's players or the game's much-changed technical and strategic aspects. He mistakenly hires based on such issues as loyalty, an old skool, 1970s sense of moral fiber and character, and whether or not the coach/GM has ties to the area. The only criteria he should have is the quality and success of the applicant. He is also willing to stay with unsuccessful front office hires too long - Grunfeld, Ferry, Unseld, etc. - and even players (arenas, Jamison) as he seems to consider them loyal parts of his family rather than employees set upon a task. Moreover, I fear that his poor health and advanced age has eroded his ability to monitor the team, leaving Grunfeld unaccountable for the mess of this team.

Posted by: SammyT1 | January 13, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

For all this talk about the draft, people seem to forget what the Wiz need. His name is Hasheem Thabeet, from UCONN. Dude is a straight animal. 7-3, 265. For those on here that actually watch college ball, specifically the Big East, know about this guy. Sure, he is not the best scorer, but he is exactly what the Wiz need: A big, STRONG, body in the middle who will clog the paint, and play D. He is an animal on the defensive end. Sorry BTH & Etan, but you gotta go. We can have a nice 2 man Center rotation between Javale and Hasheem. Put AB back at the 4 where he belongs. With Gil supposedly coming back, and the emergence of NY, this team will not need scoring, so why draft Blake Griffin? He’s a big man, but he’s a scoring big man. To me he is just very athletic, but lacks on defense, and will be an average rebounder in the NBA.

And FYI, the best player in college is James Harden, not Blake Griffin. But like I said, the Wiz need defense in the middle, plus we have to many guards as it is.

Posted by: cj658 | January 13, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I don't think coaching was ever in Tapscott's long range plan, t-train. The simple truth is that, for all his professed bball knowledge, there must be a good reason he hasn't been a coach since AU back in the 80s. Either he doesn't like the job or he's not any good at it. Or both.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 13, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Kalo_rama and Prescrunk want the Wizards to sign Eddy Curry.

Posted by: cj658 | January 13, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

But why are we debating the Draft anyways? We all know Agent 0 (the real GM), will make sure the Wiz draft Jordan Hill or Chase Buddinger.

Posted by: cj658 | January 13, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

It's an off year. Best player is still out (that's still Gil) and biggest def presence also (BTH). We suffer through this yr, let Arenas come back strong, develop the young fellas and get a nice draft position as a bonus. Next year hire a coach w/harder edge than EJordan--no diss but this group needs a slight tougher taskmaster than Eddie is--Jordan or Tapscott. Do all this and 50+ wins should be a breeze next yr.

Posted by: rblav40 | January 13, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I go back 30 years with this team. The talent on this team is so much better than what we had in the lean years that the comparison isn't even apt. But the poor coaching, lack of direction, lack of accountability, and failure to meet expectations make this team the worst we have ever had. Back in the day, we never had a chance. Today, it's as if the entire organization doesn't even care about getting better.

How long will we get torched on defense before we get rid of the people who refuse to commit to playing on both ends of the court?

How long will we revere these 'veterans' (DSong, DS, Etan) who have never won ANYTHING with this team?

How long will we continue to delude ourselves into believing we're 'close' to being a contender, when we have never and will never scare ANYONE with the lineup we have?

Posted by: bryc3 | January 13, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Griffin is nice but we're overcrowded with big men who just need someone to deliver them the ball. Gil is not a PG and Crit is best coming off the bench. Ricky Rubio is the way to go.

Posted by: demonj21 | January 13, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

SammyT1,

I agree with much of what you say about Pollin, until you get to Grunfeld. I've been critical of several of his moves (overpaying to keep Stevenson which helped usher Mason out, drafting Pech) but overall, he did a fine job in righting the sunken ship the Wizards had become. I think the rolling plague of injuries really undercut the growth of the team.

The other big problem, one for which Pollin holds primary blame, is the forced marriage of Grunfeld and Jordan. I think both did exemplary work under the circumstances, but it was clear from the beginning that they were never simpatico with each other or operating off the same page, and that hurt the team and the organization. By hiring the coach and conducting the draft first, then hiring a GM, Pollin got the whole thing off on the wrong foot. In order for the team to be properly developed in all phases, they needed a coach and GM who were working together, going in the same direction. That never seemed to be the case with Grunfeld and Jordan. Given that, the fact that they were as successful as they were in overcoming all the setbacks is pretty admirable.

Now that Jordan's gone, I think Grunfeld will get (and deserves) a chance to direct the team according to his own game plan.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 13, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

demonj21, PG is the least of this team's problems. Assuming Arenas is healthy, they'll be well set with depth and diversity at the PG spot with Arenas, Crittenton,, and James.

The bigs are another matter entirely. Even if they're all healthy, they still won't have a single upfront player who can provide a physical interior presence around the basket on offense. Jamison, Blatche, and Songaila are all face up/finesse players. Haywood, Thomas, and McGee are all garbage men on offense. They need someone they can throw the ball to in the post who can manufacture offense. That's far and away the biggest missing piece on this team and has been for a while.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 13, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I went to the game last night, my first one this year and the crowd was absolutely dead (the people that showed up). It was like we were back at the Cap Center. I kept waiting for Charles Jones to check in.

The body language of the players just showed that they were resolved to lose. Even when they were down just 5, it was like they were down 15. Truly depressing. I get that this season is lost, but I fear for the psychological effects for the future.

Posted by: lsf888 | January 13, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

"when we have never and will never scare ANYONE with the lineup we have?

Posted by: bryc3"

That's a premature statement if I've ever heard one.

Arenas, Butler, and Jamison are all matchup problems for nearly every team in the league. Blatche may have finally broken out, and as such, is also a matchup problem for most teams in the league. Young may be primed for a breakout, and he too is a matchup problem for much of the league. There's the potential for this team to have 5 guys on any given night be able to offensively dominate their opponent 1 v 1. How many other teams in the league can say this? I think if you see this team reach its potential, it would scare a LOT of teams.

Posted by: psps23 | January 13, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Worst team? Hell no! I can think of a bunch of teams that are weaker than the current Wiz. Most dissapointing team? 110% Yes.

I agree with Kal. I don't see anybody in the draft that is a franchise player. I would rather have a very good veteran at this point rather than a rookie. The current roster already consist of great deal of young (good) players.

Posted by: Dave381 | January 13, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Demonj. If Rubio is available, he would be great. If the Wizards could get Rubio or Griffin (or even Hardin) in the draft, that would be fantastic. At 7-30, it's not like there is only one hole to plug.

Posted by: disgruntledfan | January 13, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

There are plenty of holes to plug, but (A) some are bigger than others and (B) PG really isn't one of them.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 13, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Again folks, don't be suprised when Etan and BTH hit the high road, and draft Hasheem. Had ANYONE seen him play? Does anyone watch the Big East?????

Posted by: cj658 | January 13, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about the worst team. But TAPSCOTT is the WORST COACH in franchise history and easily the worst coach in the NBA.

Posted by: kevenjones | January 13, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

"I don't see anybody in the draft that is a franchise player."

I need to watch some more of Blake Griffin. From what I've seen, he has some real nice low post moves, has great hands, and he has the athleticism of a SF in a 6'10 body. To me, he seems like the real deal.

Posted by: psps23 | January 13, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only person who is beginning to wonder if Tapscott is beginning to loose on purpose at the end (to get a good lottery pick)? It just seems really odd the team keeps blowing so many big leads...
It just seems that either the team is always
a. really worn out by the end of the game
b.has some weird lineup in that doesn't play well together

Posted by: sammy5 | January 13, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Anyone surprised that this is a bad season are idiots. Our starting center is out and we have no depth behind him except 3 Power Forwards (Blatche, Song, Etan). Our expectations got thrown out the door when B Wood went down. I hated him until last year when he established himself and honed his FT% He used to be a traveling machine, but he got better at that as well. With a healthy center this is the same team as last year and we would have an identical record. Center and PG are the most important positions. For those "good" years with LH GA AJ, then CB GA AJ, etan and haywood were feuding with each other and EJ chose Etan over haywood. The lack of an established, consistent inside presence was shown to all by LeBron. Health has plagued this team. THATS THE ONLY REASON WE SUCK. We could outscore anyone and that made up for our sub-par defense until the playoffs rolled around to town. Now, with a healthy haywood and arenas the playoffs are a given for next year and we may be able to get to the 2nd round or further. Everyone needs to relax about ownership and GM stuff. As soon as Gil comes back EG will look like GOD. As soon as NY starts he will look like GOD, As soon as health becomes normal...

We will all be believers

I love this team and by far are we not the worst. the Bullets were terrible, the Wiz will be amazing!!!

Posted by: BurgwithaU | January 13, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

This team isn't the worse ever because of the players. There are two all-stars in CB3 and AJ who have generally played to their potential plus some nice young talent that is developing (Young, Blatche, D-Mac, McGee), but this team was built around having a healthy Arenas and Haywood. Add them to the existing core plus some solid role players like James, Stevenson (yes, he's been hurt all year) and Songaila and this is a 45-win team that should compete night in, night out.

This is the WORST organization I've seen in the NBA. Ernie Grunfeld accepts no accountability for any of his poor personnel decisions of the last 2-3 years including re-signing Arenas without having a physical done on his knee, letting Roger Mason leave as a FA, and siging role players like Daniels, Thomas, Songaila, and Stevenson to long-term deals. He made Eddie the scapegoat when anyone who knows basketball saw a 15-20 win team after Arenas and Haywood were hurt in training camp.

Long-term we need to get in a GM who will draft or sign some physical, low post players that can rebound and score in the post. I saw highlights of Blake Griffin and he could come in and start at the 4 for us next year if he comes out. There are probably others who will be available that will have an immediate impact in the lottery as well and I can't bear the thought of EG drafting for us again & talking about "maintaining continuity and the return of Gilbert". That ship has sailed and we'll be lucky if Agent Zero is 75% of his old self next year.

I'm done going to Wizards games after seeing 6-8 games a year for the five years until Uncle Abe fires EG and gets in a real GM to hire a real coach for next year. Wiz need to look at what Reilly did last year in Miami by trading Shaq, shutting down D. Wade in the 2nd half, and tanking it to get a top draft pick.

Posted by: wizfan89 | January 13, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

This is definitely the worst team ever, why? Because even when the Bullets were bad, they weren't THIS bad. My question is to EG, how can you be bounced from the 1st round of the playoffs and make no changes? How can you give Gil a max contract when he's had 5 knee surgeries already? This team still has no inside presence nor can it play defense. How can you not make any changes when the results have been the same for the past 3 years? Eddie Jordan was not the problem. The fact that there is no fear to drive to the basket makes them even more vulnerable. It's a joke! The only way you'll get me to go to a game this year is to give me courtside seats and an open bar tab at the Johnny Walker Club so I could medicate to keep me from taking my chair and hitting myself in the head!

Posted by: Toochilled | January 13, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

'There are plenty of holes to plug, but (A) some are bigger than others and (B) PG really isn't one of them.'


Let's not forget that the wiz was in the playoff a year ago without their best player. I like Blake Griffin but AB and BTH are just as or can be as good as Blake. With Ricky Rubio, opponent will have to rethink double teaming on arenas or any player for that matter because Rubio will beat you with a crazy pass to an open man. It hard to find a Steve Nash type of guard.

Starters

PG RUBIO
SG Arenas
SF Butler
C BTH
PF AB


Posted by: demonj21 | January 13, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't see why Thabeet is what this team needs. Even though he's 7'3 and blocks a lot of shots, he has terrible hands, a low basketball IQ, and he won't be able to dominate NBA players just because he's taller than everyone else. The Wizards just drafted a shot-blocker last year, and like McGhee, Thabeet will get pushed around by stronger players his first couple years too. Also, Brendan will be back.

I'd rather draft a player that can create offensive opportunities for the team and control the game when the ball is in his hands, like Tony Parker or Chris Paul. I think Arenas would benefit from not having to be the primary ball handler.

Posted by: amcg | January 13, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

There are plenty of holes to plug, but (A) some are bigger than others and (B) PG really isn't one of them.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 13, 2009 12:22 PM

You mean pg cant afford to be one of them...

Posted by: dsquare | January 13, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Interesting question, Ivan.

This team is easily the most underachieving team or most disappointing team in franchise history, but certainly not the worst.

I saw a Charles Jones reference....Charles Jones!!! Now he was the worst player ever, and anyone who does not know who that is does not know bad basketball. Back then, they would win a few more games, but have no chance at a future or any aspirations above mediocrity.

It is frustrating to see that the coaching went from bad to worse in the Eddie-to-Ed transition.

How is it possible that neither of them can figure out that small ball does not work? The McGee/Blatche frontcourt does wonders for a defense yet we almost never see it. Blatche seems to get pulled frequently when he is playing well and any high school coach can tell you that Etan Thomas is hurting the team out there.

THe all-stars are trying to do too much and it is taking them out of their games. This season is over...let the young guns get experience (which is how they get veteran status). If Young, Blatche and McGuire are ready to contribute next year with a healthy big 3 and Haywood....that is a pretty darn good NBA team.

The fire Ernie Grunfeld calls are stupid. His product is not on the floor.

Posted by: UltimateFootballNetwork | January 13, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

For all this talk about the draft, people seem to forget what the Wiz need. His name is Hasheem Thabeet, from UCONN. Dude is a straight animal...

Posted by: cj658 | January 13, 2009 11:46 AM

WRONG. dude has been playin basketball for about 3 years. we don't need another project who "is gonna be good in a few seasons." imo we need another bruiser. lets trade our pick & the poet for Chris kaman.

Posted by: prescrunk | January 13, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

"Worst Ever?"

Nope, not by a long shot.

Regardless of the record, there's a light at the end of the tunnel where on some of the past teams there was none. I remember when years ago the Bullets brass tried to pass "Buck" Johnson off as a prize in the free agent market. He gave out dollar bills at the presser and everything, lol! I think he was here like 2 years and the disappeared into the blue never to be heard from again.

I think you can make a case for worst coached team ever though. I like nothing these fools are doing at all.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 13, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

The fire Ernie Grunfeld calls are stupid. His product is not on the floor.

Posted by: UltimateFootballNetwork | January 13, 2009 1:12 PM

yeah bc his product is Pecherov. FIRE EG!!!

Posted by: prescrunk | January 13, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse


Ricky Rubio,WILL NOT BE IN THIS YEARS DRAFT... HE SAID HE DONT THINK HE CAN OVER THIS YEAR. THATS WHY YOU DONT SEE HIM IN ANY MOCK DRAFTS LESS THAN 2 MONTHS OLD.

Posted by: dsquare | January 13, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

"You mean pg cant afford to be one of them... "

nope. That's not what I mean. What I meant is what I said.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 13, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Ditto Hobbes3's statement. Why can't we get the truth about Gil's knee?

Also, it's clear to me that the experiment with CB at the 2 isn't working. Why is this coaching staff so slow to react? Tap said something about not wanting to make knee jerk reactions but anyone who knows ball can see clearly that CB is comfortable only at the 3. It's time to put CB back at 3 and Ny at the 2. Also, can someone take the leash off of Mike James. He came in shooting and we were in contention in games but he lost his aggressiveness somehow. If we're gonna have a pg who doesn't shoot, I'd rather have Crit in there.

We MUST have a third threat or we just aren't able to score points. Cb and Aj are secondary guys that need a primary to work off of. Three secondaries works, too. We become too easy to defend when teams know that CB never drives..(dribble, dribble, pull up). All they have to do is defend AJ and keep a hand in CB's face and we're done.

I like McGuire but I'm disappointed that in a year and a half of working with Popla, he still can't shoot. What was he doing all of last year?

AB is a good offensive player. Maybe we should start going to him more. Despite the occasional bonehead plays he is a viable offensive threat for us and we need to recognize that. His size and ability creates mismatches in our favor on offense.

Posted by: original_mark | January 13, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

If I were Abe Poliin i'd fire EG&ET at season's end and look for a GM with a "good" track record and find a head coach who can mix vet's and young players together, who has a grasp of x's and o's and hire a staff that can develop your rookies and young player's I wouldn't hire any GM wannabe's(like Brian Colangelo's/Toronto,who fired Sam Mitchell for no good reason, they were 8-9 at the time of Mitchell's firing )or young staffer wannabe's for H/C with no legit experience i.e.getting coffee and making food run's and then being allowed to sit in on strategy session's does qualify you to be considered for H/C especially if you've never coached(not even summer league) last but not least Abe hire two guy's that can get along and are on the same page so Wizard fan's won't go through a season like this ever again.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 13, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Record wise that could be the case. Talent wise this is not the worst team ever. There are three All-Stars on this team with a good core of young talent.

When healthy Arenas All-star guard and Haywood tier 2 center added to Jamison All-Star foward, Butler All-Star foward, Stevenson nice defensive off guard, James nice offensive player at either guard. Songalia forward off the bench.

Problem is poor player developement. The wiz can not wait for the off season and hope the young players develope. Using this regular season for development of these youngsters is diffulcult to accomplished in the context of staying competitive and not losing the veterans. What veteran or management team wants to write of a season hoping these guys develop.

More on poor player development...Where in the world is Pesh? If never can get on the floor why is he on the team. This guy has been with the team 2 years. Pesh should at contribute 1/2 of what Toronto gets from Andrea Bargnani. In 4 years with 1 year lost because of his shooting Andray Blatche
should at contribute 1/2 of what Boston get from Kevin Garnett. he does on some nights but not enough.

Speaking of Kevin Garnett does any body remember 1995 selecting Rasheed Wallace instead of Kevin to make matters worse then trading Rasheed a All- Star in his on right. Let me stop there....

So it is imperative to keep the young core together. Javale, Andray, Dom, Nick and Jarvis. More impotant is keeping the veterans Areans, Jamison, Butler, Haywood to have a good mix of veterans and youngsters.

James, Stevenson, Songalia are nice players. Keep Etan until his contract expires to free cap room what ever year it maybe , Pesh and Juan roster spots should be filled with a veteran and next year's incoming draft pick or both spots with draft picks from 1st and 2nd round.

Suggestions:
Bigs
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Greg Monroe
Tyler Hansboro
Luke Harangody

Guards
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DEMar DeRozan
Brandon Jennings
Stephen Curry

Posted by: jdubose1 | January 13, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Chad Ford thinks Monroe may move up as high as #2 in the draft 9if he declares) and could possibly challenge Griffin for #1.
He's not so impressed with Thabeet.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=FordDraftWatch-090102

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 13, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Chad Ford thinks Monroe may move up as high as #2 in the draft (if he declares) and could possibly challenge Griffin for #1.
He's not so impressed with Thabeet.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=FordDraftWatch-090102

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 13, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Chad Ford is entitled to his opinion. It is well known that defense wins championships, and I’ve seen Thabeet play on many occasions. Not only is he better than Greg Monroe now, he will be far more prosperous in the NBA also. Thabeet honestly has the potential to be a 1st team all NBA defensive player year in, year out. I will also reiterate what I stated before, the Draft has a lot to do with the teams need. The Wizards need defense, they do not need a “scorer”. With Gil healthy, this team should be back in the top 5 in offensive (depending on who they sign as head coach). But, they lack that body in the middle that will scare opposing players about penetrating to the basket. And DON’T tell me that is BTH, have you people watched the playoffs the past 3 years? (LBJ drove to the paint at will and did what he wanted in the paint). Thabeet at 7’3 265, will make opposing players think twice before driving to the dish. Yeah, he’s still a project, but he is worth the wait. At 265, he has the size already. In 2010, the Wiz could potentially have a dominating 1-2 punch at the 5 with Javale and Thabeet.

Posted by: cj658 | January 13, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Was at game last night and have to say it was one of the most enjoyable games we've been to. As Caron said, Nick and Michael Redd played their own personal game of 21. It was wild to watch. Those 2 guys are somethin special. Wiz just couldnt grab a rebound and stop Bogut in the 4th when it mattered.
great game though.

Posted by: dovelevine | January 13, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

And Thabeet is averageing 14 & 10 in the best conference in America.

Posted by: cj658 | January 13, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Tyler Hansboro? You gotta be kidding? He's one of those classic "bigs" in college hoops that can't cut it in the paint in the NBA but isn't quick enough to play the 3.

Posted by: Prazak | January 13, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, he’s still a project, but he is worth the wait. At 265, he has the size already. In 2010, the Wiz could potentially have a dominating 1-2 punch at the 5 with Javale and Thabeet.
Posted by: cj658 | January 13, 2009 2:22 PM

lmao. "worth the wait" where has that ideology gotten us? for a guy who thinks Shaq is the only good big man ever, i dont get your obsession with thabeet.

And Thabeet is averageing 14 & 10 in the best conference in America.
Posted by: cj658 | January 13, 2009 2:30 PM

they have played 3 games in that conference. can u even name it?

Posted by: prescrunk | January 13, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I've watched Thabeet look pretty average at times. I guess it remains to be seen how he will stack up against good competition. We'll see as he gets into his conference schedule.

Against ranked opponents, this is what he has done....

#16 Miami - 19p, 14r, 7 blocks
#19 Wisconsin - 9p, 7r, 3 blocks
#7 Gonzaga - 9p, 2r, 1 block
#8 Georgetown - 4p, 7r, 7 blocks
#22 W Virginia - 13p, 13r, 3 blocks.

It's a little premature to put this guy in the pantheon of great defenders.

Posted by: original_mark | January 13, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

they have played 3 games in that conference. can u even name it?

Posted by: prescrunk | January 13, 2009 2:43 PM

In case you haven’t noticed I’ve been trying earnestly to maintain a serious profile lately. So to answer your rude question, UConn is in Conference USA.

And you say they have only played 3 games in the conference so far, less I remind you this is his third year in the conference, and he has only gotten better every year. 3 years of improvement in the Big East, believe me, he has progressed every year in a brutal conference.

Posted by: cj658 | January 13, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Haven't been overly impressed by what I've seen from Thabeet the last couple of years. And with McGee on board, the Wiz don't really need another jumping jack project C with no real offensive game. If they go big, they need someone who can put points on the board in the paint in a half-court set.

Posted by: kalo_rama | January 13, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

All I’m saying is, (as far as Thabeet), his points, rebounds, and blocks have went up significantly every year, in 3 years. That’s saying a lot, especially for a guy who just started playing basketball, to come to UConn, and improve every year in the best conference in the country. It’s not like he came in and started playing ball at frostburg state or something. He came into the lion’s den at Uconn, and has gotten better every year. That is what NBA scouts love about him. Show’s he is a quick learner and can improve fast.

Posted by: cj658 | January 13, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

No, NOT the worst.

Ask John "sandwich" Williams which team was the worst.

I think the Wiz are entertaining to watch with the young squad. They seem to be in games pretty often. They lack a closer. If they had a good closer (read - Gil) then they'd probably be closer to .500.

My question is that when Brendon and Gil come back will they suddenly play at the level of the team of yesteryear that made the playoffs and could beat Boston twice in a season (like last year)?

Maybe. And just maybe they get a great lottery pick they suddenly become deep. They can be the comeback team of the year .. WELL, next year at least.

Posted by: boblas | January 13, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Mike James is the worst starting PG in the league, and its not even close. I'd rather see Dixon in there. Mike James makes me miss Antonio Daniels, and I was glad to see Daniels go.

Posted by: nmccray | January 13, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

If Thabeet is available, Javlae may have to take a back seat, plain and simple. For starters, Thabeet is 3 inches taller, and 30 pounds heavier (Much more intimidating presence). Looking back at their college days, their numbers are comparable. Difference is, Javale was busy playing against WAC competition, while Thabeet has been playing Big East competition. So while Javale was busy beating up on Utah state and Boise state, Tahbeet was going up against Gtown, Syracuse, Pitt, Villanova, well you get the point.

Posted by: cj658 | January 13, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

If Thabeet is available, Javlae may have to take a back seat, plain and simple.
Posted by: cj658 | January 13, 2009 3:08 PM

thats preposterous. thabeet has been playing the game for about 6 months.

Posted by: prescrunk | January 13, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I am so tired of the cheap Abe nonsense. It's not how much he does or doesn't spend, it is how. Funny, I don't remember too many "cheap Ted" comments while the Caps rebuilt, but we get all these "cheap Abe" and "cheap Lerners" comments. Last time I posted something like this people went ballistic, so I assume you will again.

Fire ET, yes. Fire EG, maybe. Play the kids, definitely. Enough said.

Posted by: truke | January 13, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

When describing the best team, they did it based on record. That was the Chicago Bulls Team that went 72 - 10. So I would have to say that if this team doesn't win 18 games then I would say they are the worst team ever.

This is definitely the worst (Wizard) team I have ever witnessed in my life time. I have never lived to see any team that I cheer for be last in anything (Except for NFC East rank, sacks and Int's). These Wizzes are actually last in the East, who knew.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | January 13, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

erniegone

Yes, fire ever person who has brought the team success the last few years because we have a bad year. If we follow your advise we will have an NBA version of the detroit lions, whos fans solution every bad year is to fire people with the hopes of shaking things up. When you do that you start getting mediocre people to replace the people you fire because no good player or coach wants to come here because they already know the outcome if they dont have instant success. Do you see top flight GM's or coaches or players flocking to detroit to be a part of that organization? If the wizards go back to the team that trades, cuts and fires every season they will resort back to the bullets teams of the late 80's and 90's where good players only come here at the end of their careers and good coaches dont come at all. We will be a team with lottery picks and lousy coaches. As much as most of you whine about EJ and EG they are responsible for the most successful run this franchise has had this side of 1979. It is obvious that most wizards fans were not bullets fans because if you were you would have a greater appreciation for EJ, EG and the teams you have been watching the last 4-5 years. The biggest reason the wizards are having a bad year is because two of the 5 starters are out and one has been traded. Its that simple. Stop blaming coaches, GM's the owner, if the player has a signature gesture after making a bucket and all these other lame whinny reasons fans use as an excuse to rant and not to see the obvious. Get a healthy Gilbert and Haywood back and you will have a winning team. If I am wrong then by all means call for team to move out of DC for all I care but please stop thinking firing everyone makes you better. The celtics did not get better until they got better people than the ones they kept firing and trading. The NJ nets basically did what wizards fans are asking for and they went from a team that could get to the finals to a team that could not make the playoffs because they fired a good coach, allowed a good GM (EJ) to leave and allowed their best big man to leave.

Posted by: ged0386 | January 13, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz are a nice 14th-seed NCAA tourney team, i.e., if they're hitting their threes that night they can upset a good team. If not, they lose by 20. In either case, the opponent will score in the 90s.

Every once in awhile I take a look at the comments attached to Wiz stories. Invariably, there will be someone who makes noise that suggests that Brendan Haywood is an NBA player or, worse, a center for a franchise to build around. Please. Haywood was a stiff at UNC and he's been a stiff in the NBA. They make a big deal about his improvement this year prior to injury. Yeah, all the way up to 11 and 6. Woohoo, I can hear Tim Duncan trembling now. Even his delusional fans have to admit that, by any standard, he's an absolute pussy on D, as exemplified by the steady stream of dunks that players far below the LeBron level bounce off his head with no fear of a hard foul. The Wizards are a donut -- empty in the middle. Until they change that, they're stealing the fans' money.

Gilbert is a nice scorer and ticket salesman. I definitely want him taking the last shot. But until he applies his considerable athleticism to the defensive end, we ain't goin' nowhere. You think top guards -- Kobe, D-Wade, Deron Williams, Chris Paul -- they play both ends. Hell, the Celtics even got Ray Allen and Paul Pierce to play D, fuh Chrissake! That seemed to work out pretty well, eh?

Posted by: salescoach | January 13, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

wizfan81

OK, when Abe was about to allow Howard to sign with another team fans were in the streets threatening to boycott the wizards if he did not sign him. He signed him and he could not live up to the contract and fans then blamed abe for not signing Webber instead. If Abe would have allowed Arenas to go to another team fans would have given him grief all summer until they saw GA was still hurt. Its so much easier to be a fan/GM/coach than it is to be the real thing. We always have the luxury of being monday morning quarterbacks. We are always right because we get to have an opinion after the fact. Was Matt Millen really that bad of a GM? He always drafted the best player available each year. He hired Mooch as his first coach whom we all thought was a good coach at SF. But nothing worked out for him no matter what he did. Sometimes it just goes that way.

Posted by: ged0386 | January 13, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

dsquare

Typical of wizards fans. You cant be talking about Larry Hughes, the guy you fans wanted to send packing when he was here because he got hurt too much? Now he is a good fit? Lets bring back Jawuan Howard while we are at it. Maybe we can trade Jamison for him huh...

Posted by: ged0386 | January 13, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

"Ask John "sandwich" Williams which team was the worst."

You mean "Hotplate" :)

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 13, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Iceburg,

You're right on the money. Start developing the rooks right now. The season is over.

But that fact does not make this the worst team -- not even close. When I think of a "worst" team, I think of one full of selfish hot dogs like the Knicks last year, etc.

For all its shortcomings (and lord knows there are many), this team has most of the time shown me hustle and desire, even when totally over-matched.

They've been killed by injuries. And I still think had Gilbert recovered sooner and Brendan not been hurt, this easily would have been a play-off team and sweet EJ would still be coach. To lose Thomas last night indefinitely just adds insult to injury.

What this team really needs is an exorcist to drive the injury demons away for a long, long time.

Posted by: loulor | January 13, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Wrong question. Who cares if this is the worst Bullets/Wiz team? The question is how to improve. First, why is Tap starting the point guard with the lowest shooting percentage in the League in James? James hurts this team every night. He is one of the most selfish players in the league. Look at him on a two on one. He NEVER looks for the other guy. He doesn't care who is open. He is all about shooting and moving on to the next team. Hold down Jamison's minutes. Save him for a season that matters. He is only a starter for a couple more seasons so do not play him 35 minutes a game. And by saving him, you will give the young guys more PT. Forget Pech. Any 7 footer who thinks he is a shooting guard belongs in Europe and not the NBA. Start Young, but realize he is not in shape for 40 minutes. He gets tired, his legs and arms, in the fourth quarter if he has played a lot. He is a young player waiting to be a star. Don't put all the pressure on him. Bring back Dee Brown, get rid of Pech, Dixon, James, Etan, and Stevenson. Also, Abe has been killing the Wiz for two decades by being so cheap. Look at what Mason is doing for the Spurs. Abe has never invested in his second five and you don't win with 5 good players and no bench. We have dumped Mason, Ruffin, Brendon Knight, and two dozen other guys who helped other teams because we would not pay them. Abe has been good for the city, and has made a lot of money on the value of the Wiz, but he hurts us every year with his refusal to go over the cap. If we had Mason on this team, we would have 5 more wins right now, minimum.

Posted by: smallwhiteforward | January 13, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Sorry smallwhiteforward but can't let this go. So what you are saying is that if only they hadn't let Mason go, they'd be at least 12-25 and in the thick of things? Also, for what it is worth, this is not even near the worst Bu'zards teams, they're just playing in a better league now. I'm old enough to have witnessed the pre-Wes/pre-Pearl Bullets. Oh where have you gone, Sihugo Green?

Posted by: truke | January 13, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Agree, not the worst team, but the most disappointing season since we had such high expectations this year. The injuries really crushed them from the beginning.

Posted by: washwiz | January 13, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Hasheem Thabeet is not the answer if you're drafting top five. He has some intriguing physical gifts, but lacks elite feel and skills. You never draft top five based purely on physical potential, lest one end up with a Shawn Bradley or Kwame Brown. You don't want a guy who may develop in a few years, but a skilled one who can step right up and erase a need for a decade. Ricky Rubio and Griffin play positions we desperately need and have those skills. James Harden and Stephen Curry have elite skills, but are what we do not need: more jump-shooting, non-rebounding perimeter players. Brandon Jennings will not be ready to start for a couple years, by which point the core of Haywood, Arenas, Jamison & Butler will be moving past their prime. Greg Monroe could be an upgrade over Blatche, tougher, smarter, quicker with better shooting and passing touch. We could then trade Blatche and an expiring contract for another team's sixth/seventh wheel... maybe a Kirk Hinrich.

Posted by: SammyT1 | January 13, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing what's happened the the bull, er, I mean Wizards. Think of all the guys they've traded away that could have been long term contributors. Hamilton - an all-star in Detroit (and let's not forget Rasheed Wallace, another original). Steve Blake, now putting up decent numbers ever night in Portland. I could go on, but why bother.
At this point, does it make sense to stockpile draft choices and trade decent players who could make excellent contributions to playoff teams (Jamison, who I would hate to lose, but why keep this decent, hard-working guy in misery any longer). Just a thought..

Posted by: tidybowl | January 13, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I forgot about Roger Mason. That's a crime. Especially when you're barely playing Juan Dixon.

Posted by: tidybowl | January 13, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

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