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Bucks 109, Wizards 93

The Bucks came out with a defensive mindset and played with energy. The Wizards did not. That was your ballgame folks. Milwaukee led 30-16 after the first quarter and the Wizards never really threatened.

"They had more than we had tonight," interim coach Ed Tapscott said in a quote that was echoed by comments made by players. "They just did. I tip my hat to Scott Skiles and his staff. They came out and pushed the ball right on us early."

Javaris Crittenton was a late scratch with the flu. He said he came down with it this morning. The dude looked utterly miserable when I saw him in the locker room right after the game.

The Wizards continue to get hammered by three-point shooting disparity. The Bucks were 11 of 19 from long range while the WIz kids were 2 of 10. As for "hidden" points, point guard Mike James almost never gets to the free throw line. He attempted two and made 'em both tonight in 30 minutes.

Charlie Villanueva really had it going for the Bucks tonight. He scored 25 points in every manner possible: four three-balls, a couple of jump hooks, some drives and three free throws. Real nice night for him.

Bucks rookie Luc Mbah a Moute really got into Caron Butler early at the defensive end. I like that guy's future as a stopper in this league.

By Ivan Carter  |  February 28, 2009; 11:34 PM ET
 
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Can't argue against your assessment of JD Rphilli721. If you just look at his performance you are correct. But check this. Shaq scored 40 some points the other night.

The only reason Shaq scored those points is because of a change of the coach/philosophy. The previous coaching philosophy would never have seen a 40 point game by Shaq.

So Rphilli721, alls' I'm saying is, even though your assessment of JD is correct, under a different coaching philosophy that assessment might not be the same.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 28, 2009 11:34 PM

I say the best coach for this Team is....MARK JACKSON.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 28, 2009 11:59 PM

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 1, 2009 12:39 AM | Report abuse

"They had more than we had tonight," interim coach Ed Tapscott said in a quote that was echoed by comments made by players. "They just did. I tip my hat to Scott Skiles and his staff. They came out and pushed the ball right on us early."

What a sack of potatoes. The only reason that Milwaukee kicked your butts is because you guys don't have a clue what basice defense is. A good coach would know that.

And if he had a player that did not exhibit basic defense on the floor, he would bench his butt.

Unfortunately, losing teams do not display characteristics' of winners.

A coach we need, not excuses for why we lost.

Can somebody please holla at MARK JACKSON, he might just listen.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 1, 2009 12:50 AM | Report abuse

It's only because of the injuries! If Milwaukee had their star guard and starting center out they would struggle too!

Oh, Michael Redd and Andrew Bogut were out? Never Mind!

Posted by: twigmuffin | March 1, 2009 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Les BouleS, with their two all stars and much ballyhooed youth, was pretty much steamrolled by a team of nobodies.

Bucks, with or without Redd and Bogut, have more than double the wins Les BouleS have.

Of course, MeTawn (aka Mr. Stats) got his 20-10 once again.

And, why did EG do nothing up until the trade deadline again? Oh yeah, he was happy with the team and the nucleus.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=290228015

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | March 1, 2009 3:00 AM | Report abuse

McGee played consistently better than the rest of the team in the first half and was rarely out of position (meaning he was less active in attempting to block shots).

He had the best +/- on the team, yet got limited to 1 minute of gargage time in the 2nd half.

Taps stuck with McGuire for 31 minutes, who finished with 6 points and 1 board.

The Wiz are consistent - consistently myopic.

Posted by: Izman | March 1, 2009 7:47 AM | Report abuse

An old-fashioned keester-whuppin'. Good thing I didn't have any money on the Wiz. Oh wait -- I never put any money on the Wiz. Not since they were the Bullets and let the Warriors come back from the dead and beat them for the NBA ring.

This was one of those uglies in which the whole team managed to get into the minus column. Blatche and Young were on the court 20 minutes+ each, Dixon got about the same length of time. Pretty much the same rotation as against Chicago, except for Dixon.

The big difference? Milwaukee's defense, of course, but you can't miss the 3 point box: Bucks 11-19 (58%), the Wizzers 2 of 10 (you do the math).

That's home court, I suspect.

Skiles was telling the media last week about his wish to see the team improve its play on the road. He noted that Sessions and Villanueva were about 12 points better
at home than away, and he thought that was characteristic of younger players. At one point he said the Bucks were like two different teams, and the good one usually showed up at home.

Which as I watched last night, made me think of the Wiz and the Bulls.

Chicago tanked in front of Bulls Fan #1 just a night before. Milwaukee has had performances like that. And we all got to see one from Washington yesterday evening.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

The (intesrt team names here) came out with a defensive mindset and played with energy. The Wizards did not. That was your season folks.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | March 1, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Just realized (I'm a bit slow on the uptake) that this 'MeTawn' character was supposed to be Jamison.

He's selfish because he gets his 20-10 every night? Because he's not much of a defensive player?

Jamison could easily have taken this season off, figuratively speaking. It was obvious early on that the team had serious problems. I mean, even the folks here recognized that by game 10, and we've never even seen a practice.

He didn't, however. I don't know how you'd fault his effort on offense. Defensively he's exactly the same player as the past four winning seasons. Still undersized, still overmatched against the bigger 4's. Only difference is he's older -- rarely even dunks anymore, and this was one of the league's better leapers.

Selfish -- now when I hear that word, I think of a lot of NBA players, but Jamison isn't one of them. Stephon Marbury, definitely. Vince Carter, often. Even Kobe Bryant a couple seasons ago. But I don't think of Jamison.

Be nice if Jamison and Butler were able to carry this team, but they aren't able to do it. Just as Richard Jefferson can't carry Milwaukee.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Regarding the three-point shooting disparity Ivan mentioned, it's more fundamental and serious than the other teams consistently outscoring us in that category. The other teams are playing a whole different game. Teams like Orlando that run and spread the floor and have shooters big and small running to their spots on the three-point line--that's just an entirely different type of offense that AJ or James shooting random threes. None of our bench guys are great three-point shooters either--Juan occasionally gets hot; Nick Young is a very sketchy in this area. Unless Gilbert comes back 100% next year, it will be more of the same, we're trading twos for threes.

Posted by: jweber1 | March 1, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

With Jamison it's always someone else's fault. For example: Luc Mbah a Moute went around Jamison for a dunk like he was standing still. Jamison's reaction: throws his hands up b/c no one came to help. Give me a break. Then he incessantly complains about the second team's performance, but how many times has he pointed his finger at the first team for falling behind by double figures in the first quarter. None that I can remember.

Not unloading his awful contract will prove to be the biggest mistake this team has made in the past few years - no doubt.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | March 1, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Looks like we're second-worst 3 point shooting club in the league, YTD... at .322 to Philly's .319. Memphis is next at .333, then there are bunch of teams in the .340's, like Minnesota, Utah, Dallas, Detroit, the Clips and Miami.

On top of that, we don't play very good 3 point defense, either. Better than Sacramento and New Jersey, and tied with Golden State. Those numbers also YTD...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

zardsfan: "With Jamison it's always someone else's fault. For example: Luc Mbah a Moute went around Jamison for a dunk like he was standing still. Jamison's reaction: throws his hands up b/c no one came to help. Give me a break. Then he incessantly complains about the second team's performance, but how many times has he pointed his finger at the first team for falling behind by double figures in the first quarter. None that I can remember."

I hadn't thought of it that way. But doesn't seem like much to go on -- getting beat by someone on a dunk, and complaining about the subs rather than the regulars -- not in comparison with the nightly production and effort.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

NBA's best 3 point clubs appear to be the Spurs and Orlando.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Whoops, forgot Boston. They shoot very well from outside, too. None of the teams are above .400 for the year, however.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

"The only reason Shaq scored those points is because of a change of the coach/philosophy. The previous coaching philosophy would never have seen a 40 point game by Shaq."

The only reason Shaq scored 40 points is because with both Stoudemire and Nash out, he became the first, second, and third options on offense, so he got all of the shots. The "previous coaching philosophy" (i.e. Terry Porter) was actually more committed to half court play and less concentrated on running and ran more of the offense through Shaq on a regular basis.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 1, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse


cj658,

You asked of any players from Oklahoma who performed in the NBA...I can name 2 Wayman Tisdale(1st RD 2 pick) and Washington Bullets own Harvey Grant(1st RD 12th pick). Both were in the all-star game in their careers.

Also Hasheem Thabeet = Michael Olowokandi, remember Kandi Man? Great defensive player before coming into the NBA and seriously played below expectations. So make sure you watch more of Blake Griffin's game not just what you see in sportscenter...the college tournament will show how they players can perform.

I believe the Wizards should look into trading the pick if they can't land Blake Griffin. I've noticed the Raptors have been active, since the last NBA draft in moving players. So, if the Wizards can land a top 3 pick the should look to trade that pick to the Raptors for Chris Bosh. Perhaps package either Blatche or Jamsion so that it would be Bosh and Kapano, for Top pick and Blatche or Jamison....Now that, cj658, would make this team instant competitors in the NBA.

Bosh is young and can play defense and also can score. The Raptors are struggling in tix sales and they know they'll lose him to the free agency. So now is the time to jump on him and make this team in line for a Finals run. They would also need to look into hiring a coach. Avery Johnson would be the perfect fit. He lead the offensive minded Mavs into the finals and made Dirk, an offense first player, MVP in the league with his improvement on defense and being an all around team player. Avery Johnson can come here and do the same with this team, esp with Gilbert, who does like to play defense.

I watch how poorly the Wiz played against the Bucks. Ed should be ashamed the Wiz play well for the President Friday but go up to play the Bucks and get ran outta the gym. McGuire, once again, didn't perform well at all. every person I saw him guard out played him (Jefferson, and Villanueva). The Wizards play the Hawks next, I don't see him doing well against, Smith or Williams)

Trade draft pick for Chris Bosh. Maybe Miami will go crazy and give up D.Wade for the top 3 pick...lol, I doubt it.

Posted by: rcnasa | March 1, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

"Just realized (I'm a bit slow on the uptake) that this 'MeTawn' character was supposed to be Jamison.

He's selfish because he gets his 20-10 every night? Because he's not much of a defensive player?"

MeTawn, yes the captain of the team, likes to get on tv or talk to the reporters and preach about what the team needs to do to win with regard to defense, but does none of it. He's the one, according to him, who can't figure out where to be defensively without BTH backing him.

"Jamison could easily have taken this season off, figuratively speaking. It was obvious early on that the team had serious problems. I mean, even the folks here recognized that by game 10, and we've never even seen a practice."

It's sad to say and realize that someone like MeTawn "could easily have taken this season off" after just signing a 50 mil contract. I don't give a crap how many 20-10's MeTawn gets....he needs to put wins on the win column. Clearly, the young guns on the team don't respond to his form of leadership.

"He didn't, however. I don't know how you'd fault his effort on offense. Defensively he's exactly the same player as the past four winning seasons. Still undersized, still overmatched against the bigger 4's. Only difference is he's older -- rarely even dunks anymore, and this was one of the league's better leapers."

MeTawn is a stats guy. He'll always get his numbers win or lose. Defensively, please don't give the excuse that he's undersized. He's 6-9 and 235lbs, and if he feels he's undersized, he needs to bulk up.

Problem is that I don't even see the effort. Often he just lets his man blow by him. Last night, he had a total of 2 fouls. That tells me that he's not even trying.

"Selfish -- now when I hear that word, I think of a lot of NBA players, but Jamison isn't one of them. Stephon Marbury, definitely. Vince Carter, often. Even Kobe Bryant a couple seasons ago. But I don't think of Jamison."

MeTawn got his name by preaching one thing to the young players, but not leading by example on the defensive end. How often does he settle for the long J or the dipsy doo shot?

"Be nice if Jamison and Butler were able to carry this team, but they aren't able to do it. Just as Richard Jefferson can't carry Milwaukee.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2009 8:51 AM "

Richard Jefferson is not an "all star" like Caron or MeTawn. If you'll notice, as I said earlier, the Bucks have more than twice the number of wins compared to Les BouleS, with their new coach and with Redd/Bogut out, and are still in playoff contention, not locked in as a lottery contender after EG signed over 161 mil worth of contracts in the offseason.

Chew on that.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | March 1, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"With Jamison it's always someone else's fault. For example: Luc Mbah a Moute went around Jamison for a dunk like he was standing still. Jamison's reaction: throws his hands up b/c no one came to help. Give me a break. Then he incessantly complains about the second team's performance, but how many times has he pointed his finger at the first team for falling behind by double figures in the first quarter. None that I can remember.

Not unloading his awful contract will prove to be the biggest mistake this team has made in the past few years - no doubt.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | March 1, 2009 10:23 AM "

I'm glad you were watching the same game that I was.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | March 1, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

The stark contrast between Friday night's game against the Bulls and that debacle against the Bucks clearly illustrate two things.
1. Ed Tapscott's mission is to baby sit this team the rest of this season and not irk Jamison and Butler.
2. The inmates are running the asylum. In front of the President, CB and AJ showed energy, effort and patience and purpose and the rest of the players followed suit. Against the Bucks, both players were lackadaisical on defense. Jacked up untimely jumpers, ran no offensive sets, provided no energy and the rest of the players followed suit.

The film doesn't lie. The "Captains" on this team arbitrarily decide which games they want to show up to play in. If the "Captains" can't correct that issue during a game, then it's the Coach's responsibility to do so. If the Coach excuses poor play and lack of intensity, by not holding the "Captains" responsible, then how in the Hell, can anyone point to McGee, McGuire, Songalia, et.al. as being the problem?

You can take AJ's 20 and 10 shove them where the sun don't shine. Why? 14-45 is why. Maybe he should average 10 and 20 if that's what it takes my leader, captain, spokesman, whatever to do to secure victory. Numbers can be deceiving. Ask Kobe.

Posted by: bozomoeman | March 1, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

dcman88: "Richard Jefferson is not an "all star" like Caron or MeTawn. If you'll notice, as I said earlier, the Bucks have more than twice the number of wins compared to Les BouleS, with their new coach and with Redd/Bogut out, and are still in playoff contention, not locked in as a lottery contender after EG signed over 161 mil worth of contracts in the offseason.Chew on that."

Masticate, masticate. Ptooey.

I don't believe I said Jefferson was an All-Star. He hasn't been. But looks like he might be, fairly soon.

Antwan has played 10 seasons, got his first All-Star berth in 2004-05. Jefferson has played seven, and could have been picked this year.

Jamison's career stats to date: 37 minutes per game, 46% FG, 35% 3's, 8 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 1.76 turnovers, 19.8 points.

Jefferson's: 36 minutes, 47% FG, 35% 3's, 5.3 rebounds, 2.2 turnovers, 3 assists, 17.5 points.

Their listed heights are probably off; Jefferson refers to himself as a 'little' player, and is probably a 6'6" or a shade below that. Jamison, listed at 6'9", is more likely in the 6'8" range, or less. About ten pounds difference between them in weight, and of course, one plays SF, the other PF.

Or something like PF. He's just too small to take on the really big guys.

Jamison's not a good defensive player. If you're expecting that to improve dramatically in season ten, I'd say you'll be disappointed. But there are plenty of good defensive guys in the league, who can take up the slack. Cleveland would have been happy to have him. Put him on the same court with Ben Wallace and you're ready to roll.

About that salary: They offered it, he accepted. That's the marketplace. Maybe Ernie made a huge mistake. But Jamison's stat don't prove that. They suggest the opposite.

The real problem is the team's record. If they had 30 wins, like the Bucks, people would still complain (check those Milwaukee newspapers to see how they feel about their team.)

Personally, I think Jamison and Butler have adequately fulfilled their contractual obligations to the Wizards. And perhaps more. The problem lies elsewhere.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse


Richard Jefferson was an all-star with the Nets, so you are correct Samson151

Posted by: rcnasa | March 1, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I get this sickening feeling that somehow Tapscott would be reatained as head coach next year. He clearly is a favorite of the old guard who could continue to play the half-a$$ way they play now with no repercussions. With the irrational firing of EJ after 11 games, I sense that this is possible even more and more as I listen to the what is being said and not being said.

Somebody please tell me I'm tripping.

Posted by: NewManagement | March 1, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Larry,

Seriously? JD would suck in any circumstance, which is part of the reason he has bounced around the league already. Plus, your using Shaq in a debate concerning JD? There is no comparison there to be made whatsoever on any level. Hell, Steve Blake has turned out to be a better pro bc he can play the point at a professional level and hit open shots when he gets them. JD's confidence is so low that he can't hit the open shots he gets either.

Zardsfan,

Yeah, I saw the olay defensive play too. But, that is AJ. He is not a defender. To pick on him bc of it is kind of redundant. What he does bring is scoring, rebounding, professionalism, and character to a team. I said repeated when we were good that we would never be a championship caliber team with him starting. Now, if you are good enough to make him a 6th man, you could win a championship ala Cleveland. I would also add that he has never given up this season as CB has at times. My opinion of CB has dipped considerably this year as he has shown that he is not as "tough" or doesn't bring the "juice" every night as had been advertised.

Posted by: rphilli721 | March 1, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Tapscott is an interim coach. He is not staying, relax. I thank him for taking a thankless job and doing a decent job especially after he got PG's that could play ok. Remember he had a hurt AD and Dixon playing point for a while there. Nobody can work miracles with that!

Posted by: rphilli721 | March 1, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

The only reason Shaq scored 40 points is because with both Stoudemire and Nash out, he became the first, second, and third options on offense, so he got all of the shots. The "previous coaching philosophy" (i.e. Terry Porter) was actually more committed to half court play and less concentrated on running and ran more of the offense through Shaq on a regular basis.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 1, 2009 12:16 PM

ANALYSIS CORRECT: But which approach is more successful for the team. In Porters approach, Shaq's effectiveness was in question. Now, it is not and the current approach seems to be a better fit. That being said, is why I put a huge emphasis on coaching philosophy being a direct contributor to the success of the Team.

Thereby, is why I have been a huge supporter of players on the Wizs and an immense critic of the coaching philosophy they have to endure.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 1, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

"In Porters approach, Shaq's effectiveness was in question. "

In question by whom? Most analysts and commentators seemed to agree that Shaq was the Suns' best, most consistent player in the first half of the season. And he was effective enough that the West coaches voted him to the All-Star game after a 1-year absence.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 1, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"Jamison's not a good defensive player. If you're expecting that to improve dramatically in season ten, I'd say you'll be disappointed. But there are plenty of good defensive guys in the league, who can take up the slack. Cleveland would have been happy to have him. Put him on the same court with Ben Wallace and you're ready to roll."

I would care if MeTawn wasn't a good defensive player if he in turn didn't browbeat other players on their team for their lack of efforts.

A team wins and loses because of their stars for the most part, not their bench players, and given all that, the Bucks still double Les BouleS's win total this season.

"About that salary: They offered it, he accepted. That's the marketplace. Maybe Ernie made a huge mistake. But Jamison's stat don't prove that. They suggest the opposite."

With great salaries come great responsibilities. MeTawn has delivered the stats, but not the stat that counts the most, which is in the win column.

"The real problem is the team's record. If they had 30 wins, like the Bucks, people would still complain (check those Milwaukee newspapers to see how they feel about their team.)"

Compare Les BouleS team to the Bucks, and the record so far this season.

"Personally, I think Jamison and Butler have adequately fulfilled their contractual obligations to the Wizards. And perhaps more. The problem lies elsewhere.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2009 2:58 PM "

Well, I'm glad your satisfied with this lottery team.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | March 1, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"But which approach is more successful for the team."

It's way too early to tell. The team was 23-18 under Porter. They're 4-1 under Gentry, but all four of those wins came against teams well under .500, including two against the Clippers. The one game they played against a winning team (Boston) they got blown out by 20.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 1, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Rphilli721,

I kinda' wish we had kept Blake when we had him. The problem then as is now, you have to have the proper coaching and intelligent philosophy to make the best use of the talent that you have.

The Wizards have traditionally been a bad judgement of talent. And it did not start when Michael Jordan drafted Kwame Brown. Hell, people are decrying the fact most recently how we did not resign Roger Mason, the most egregious non resigning by the Wizs/Bullets was letting Earl the' Pearl Monroe get away to the New York Knickerbockers.

The JD comparison to Shaq was a coaching analogy only and not a player analogy.

Again, Tapscott management of JD and the Team makes them all look they wear raggedy Sunday suits.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 1, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

In Porters approach, Shaq's effectiveness was in question. "

In question by whom? Most analysts and commentators seemed to agree that Shaq was the Suns' best, most consistent player in the first half of the season. And he was effective enough that the West coaches voted him to the All-Star game after a 1-year absence.

DOGGONIT KALO-ROMA, THATS GOOD, VERY GOOD.

But, can you let me at least indulge that fact that even with SHAQ playing well this season, the prevailing opinion of Phoenix is that they were underchieving and things were not working as planned and why Porter got the ax.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 1, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"But, can you let me at least indulge that fact that even with SHAQ playing well this season, the prevailing opinion of Phoenix is that they were underchieving and things were not working as planned and why Porter got the ax."

Only if you'll grant me that it's way too early to unilaterally conclude (as you seem to be doing) that the switch to Gentry has shown any real signs of reversing that trend in any meaningful way, Which, of course, pretty much invalidates your attempts to use the coaching change in Phoenix as a parallel example of how the Wizards' fortunes would automatically improve with the same personnel under a different coach.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 1, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the most successful approach Kalo_roma may be leanings Gentrys' way.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 1, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

But, I will still grant you that it is too early. However, a different competent coach for the Wizs I am craving to see the results of.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 1, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Tap is not holding back this team. It's simply not good without BH and GA. And no coach is going to change JD into a competent NBA player.

Yeah, in the past the team has had problems evaluating talent especially during the Unseld era. But, that is simply not the case anymore. We gave Mason his chance in the first place (he was out of the league) and the decision to let him leave was not based on talent evaluation.

- We snagged Arenas when he was undervalued.
- We got Caron
- We drafted Blatche and McGuire in the second round
- Crittenton looks like a keeper
- JM may still end up being the steal of his draft in a couple years.

The main problem with this team is health! And, yes, I don't want Tap to be the future coach, but he has not held back this team this season either. Larry Brown, Auerbach, Jackson, whomever you want to pick could not make this team winners this season. Particularly when it was rudderless from the PG position for so long.

I think Hubbie Brown would be a great coach for this team, but he is a little older and probably not a long term solution. But, his style of coaching/teaching without being overly abrasive I believe is what we need.

Posted by: rphilli721 | March 1, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

I get this sickening feeling that somehow Tapscott would be reatained as head coach next year. He clearly is a favorite of the old guard who could continue to play the half-a$$ way they play now with no repercussions. With the irrational firing of EJ after 11 games, I sense that this is possible even more and more as I listen to the what is being said and not being said.

Somebody please tell me I'm tripping.

Posted by: NewManagement | March 1, 2009 3:53 PM

NewManagement - I am still one that thinks Randy Ayers is going to get the job. Why? Because Eddie J is still owed 8 million and it is going to be about the $$$ when it comes to Abe and Ernie. Abe is not trying to shell out another 3 year contract to a high profile coach.

Randy Ayers has NBA and Division 1 coaching experience. Randy has the advantage of seeing the "troops" up front now under duress and getting an idea on how he would use them.

Abe would not have to fork out more money and then maybe Randy could implement the real defense he wants to run.

Another good idea would be to bring in somebody like Patrick Ewing as our big man's coach and top defensive assistant. Thus grooming him for the future job if Randy Ayers fails.....

Posted by: BulletsFever | March 1, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

"Looks like the most successful approach Kalo_roma may be leanings Gentrys' way."

Based on what? Their win/loss record under Gentry isn't very useful as a basis of comparison with Porter because they haven't played enough games to form a large enough comparison sample. But the actual quality of wins and losses under Gentry versus Porter suggests nothing much has changed. Not counting today's Lakers game (whose outcome I am unaware of, and please don't spoil it, since I'm recording it for later viewing) they've won four games against lottery teams (the most successful of which was Charlotte, with a current record of 25 and 35). The one game they played against a good team (again, not counting today's Lakers' contest) , they got blown out by 20 at home, which suggests that they're having the same problems under Gentry that they had under Porter: they can beat bad teams but struggle to win against good ones. The only thing that's changed is that the scoring is up under Gentry (both for the Suns and their opponents); the results, however, are pretty much the same. (This remains true, even if they beat the Lakers today, because even under Gentry they had a handful of quality wins scattered among the losses to the elite teams, but they couldn't do it consistently.)

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 1, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Man I really can't think of any coaching candidates that gives me any kind of excitement.

It'll will probably be someone no one expects.

Posted by: Darnell1 | March 1, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Kal,

I do think the Suns are better off now simply bc they have an identity again and are playing to their strengths. That's not to say that they are in the running in the West for a championship again, but they are playing like a playoff team now without the assistance of Amare and Nash at the moment.

I think the dilemma EG is going to face is whether to go the "Porter" route and try to get these guys to play some level of playoff caliber defense or get a Flip Saunders and continue our 1st or 2nd round exits starting next year. Maybe there is some happy medium, but whomever mentioned Randy Ayers is crazy. He is a defensive coach for this team already that can't get this team to play a lick of defense. I guess maybe without BH that is somewhat harsh, but I think we would have seen some improvement by now if he was any good and who knows what the offense would look like with him.

I think Hubbie Brown can teach the game with the best of them and commands enough respect that he would get them respectable on both sides of the ball. He is also pretty big on accountability as in he'll yank an Arenas or Jamison for blatantly not playing defense during a game. Of course, who knows how that will play out either. This is a talented team that is hard to coach mainly due to Arenas and Jamison somewhat.

Posted by: rphilli721 | March 1, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

dcman88: "With great salaries come great responsibilities. MeTawn has delivered the stats, but not the stat that counts the most, which is in the win column."

OK, there's the misunderstanding. Jamison was always responsible for playing to the very best of his ability. On that he can be judged. That means show up, play really hard, not take games off with minor lumps or booboo lips about playing time. It means to produce at the highest level he's capable. That's been his responsibility since his first day in the NBA, and I'd argue he's lived up to it.

What went up with the contract were people's expectations. Abe Pollin's, no doubt. Ernie Grunfeld's. And the fans'.

Different matter entirely.

I'd argue you're holding him personally responsible for the team's dismal record. That colors your vision of Jamison. If he was a better player, you assume, the team's record would be better. Maybe, maybe not.

dcman88: "Well, I'm glad your satisfied with this lottery team."

I'm not. I just disagree with you about where the problem lies.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

I want to see a little more accountability on defense instead of the heavy reliance on rotations and switching we have now. That philosophy almost concedes that nobody can stay in front of their guy ever. Hell, at least make them go to their weak hand and identify the hot players that we don't leave alone at all costs. Right now it's a picnic for most teams.

Villenueva was hot and he consistently got left wide open regardless bc of the switching philosophy and that happens on a regular basis!

We also have been the worst or one of the worst 3 pt defending teams for years now. That has got to change! I mean middle of the pack would be a huge improvement with this squad!

So, no Randy Ayers please!

Posted by: rphilli721 | March 1, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Samson,

I agree with you. Not sure what the debate is, but Jamison's double doubles on an almost nightly basis are in line with his pay. The guy that is being paid to put people in the seats and put more W's in the win column is not playing right now.

That being said I am a little disappointed in both AJ and CB that they couldn't lift this team to a few more wins this season. But, there are only a few players in the league that command and/or will their teams to victories and better efforts on a nightly basis. And those are the Kobe's, LeBron's, KG's etc...they are obviously not in that league and did not deserve all-star consideration this season either!

Posted by: rphilli721 | March 1, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

rhilli: "That being said I am a little disappointed in both AJ and CB that they couldn't lift this team to a few more wins this season."

We all are. Not as disappointed as the two of them are, of course. It must just eat them alive.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Their is absolutely no reason for optimism with this Organization as it is structured at present. You can justify this particular season's collapse with the injuries but you are blind to the fact that even when ALL are healthy, this is a 500 team!
Until Ownership changes hands and a new General Manager replaces the inept Ernie Grunfeld and an Avery Johnson type Coach is hired, 500 basketball is what you get.

A Team's "POTENTIAL" means nothing until excellence is actually attained on and off the court. Are we so desperate as Fans to accept 500 basketball and a 1st round playoff series loss as success?

Welcome to the NBA City of perpetual mediocrity. Each Wizard's season is "Ground Hog Day" with Polin, Grunfeld and now Tapscott alternating as fill-ins for Bill Murray.

Posted by: jshavatt | March 1, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

I certainly hope they donot hire Ayers as coach. I agree that his defensive input has not shown any promise yet.

What I see defensesly from this Team is a team that does not know how to play man to man. When you have a whole Team not playing basic man to man defense effectively, your scheme has to take much of the blame.

DM is the only player that stands out defensely and I daresay it is not because of coaching but due to his own ability as a player.

Good defense comes first from good philosophy and I am not convinced to date whether Randy Ayers is the man.

LarryInClintonMD.

I am willing to gamble with Mark Jackson as coach of the Wizards.

Know this, I love Avery Johnson and I think he is first rate, but I would like to see Mark as coach. I am one to believe that Avery failed as coach of Dallas. When he took over from Nellie, Dallas was right there at the Championship door.

For some reason, with Avery's defensive approach and subtle offensive tweaks, Dallas did not get the job done.

Maybe Avery learned from the whole situation and in hindsight might have approached the matter differently, but Dallas was not as Championship capable when he was fired as when he was hired.

Mark Jackson too, speaks highly of defense and how it is important to win it all, but for some reason I believe that offense will flourish much better under Jackson than Johnson and Team chemistry would thrive.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 1, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

"OK, there's the misunderstanding. Jamison was always responsible for playing to the very best of his ability. On that he can be judged. That means show up, play really hard, not take games off with minor lumps or booboo lips about playing time. It means to produce at the highest level he's capable. That's been his responsibility since his first day in the NBA, and I'd argue he's lived up to it."

The point that you're missing is that if you're like MeTawn, who likes to get in front of TVs and reporters and blame his teammates for the very thing that he's weak on, then his credibility is shot.

"What went up with the contract were people's expectations. Abe Pollin's, no doubt. Ernie Grunfeld's. And the fans'.

Different matter entirely."

So, what's wrong with that?

"I'd argue you're holding him personally responsible for the team's dismal record. That colors your vision of Jamison. If he was a better player, you assume, the team's record would be better. Maybe, maybe not.

dcman88: "Well, I'm glad your satisfied with this lottery team."

I'm not. I just disagree with you about where the problem lies.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2009 7:51 PM ""

If you don't blame the captains and the highest paid guys on the team, then who do you blame? The kid who mops the sweat off the floor?

It's not like Les BouleS are treading water.

They are atrocious and can be argued to be the worst team in the league. It shouldn't be like this, with 2 "all stars" on the team.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | March 1, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Rob (rphilli721),

The Suns are certainly more fun to watch and they appear to be enjoying themselves more. But "better"? Too soon to tell. When Porter was fired they were in 8th or 9th place, I believe. They're currently still in 9th place. Unless they finish the season with a higher playoff seeding and make it out of the first round, then the coaching change will have accomplished nothing of any real consequence.

Posted by: kalo_rama | March 2, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

I want to see a little more accountability on defense instead of the heavy reliance on rotations and switching we have now. That philosophy almost concedes that nobody can stay in front of their guy ever. Hell, at least make them go to their weak hand and identify the hot players that we don't leave alone at all costs. Right now it's a picnic for most teams.

APTLY PUT AND THE EPITOMY OF GOOD D'.

Our scheme dosen't demand that we guard our own man. One move by the offensive guy and our whole Team starts switching. Its like our scheme is an automatic door. You know how those automatic doors work. Step up close enough and it will open.

One move by an offensive player 20' from the basket and our whole defense just opens up.

Its like an Mexican Matador.

The right Defensive scheme will determine who can or cannot play defense. What I see from the Wizards is a 24-hour candy store. Always open.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 2, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

dcman88: "If you don't blame the captains and the highest paid guys on the team, then who do you blame? The kid who mops the sweat off the floor? They are atrocious and can be argued to be the worst team in the league. It shouldn't be like this, with 2 "all stars" on the team."

I'm not really singling out anyone for 'blame'. Blaming individuals is more your preoccupation than mine.

All I'm saying is that you're placing blame on the team's two best players, despite the fact that there's plenty of evidence to contradict that. And in that, I think I'm correct.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 2, 2009 1:37 AM | Report abuse

"If you don't blame the captains and the highest paid guys on the team, then who do you blame? The kid who mops the sweat off the floor?

It's not like Les BouleS are treading water.

They are atrocious and can be argued to be the worst team in the league. It shouldn't be like this, with 2 "all stars" on the team.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | March 1, 2009 11:49 PM "

Funny, you've never once called out Butler or thought of a cute nickname for him. Last time I checked, he was a co-captain. And while CB has at times shown that he can play defense, throughout this season it's seemed he's checked-out mentally on both sides of the court. At least with AJ, he always brings it on offense. I have my complaints about AJ, but he and Butler are simply part of the problem, not the whole. If we had a sound defensive center, that would help cover for AJ's lapses. If we had a sound defensive COACH, or a competent head coach, that would do wonders for our team defense. I don't blame AJ and CB. They're playing to the best of their ability. They've just been surrounded by a horrible supporting cast/raw talent. Remember KG in Minnesota? Great defense, great offense, team still sucked. You blame him for that?

Posted by: babbtong | March 2, 2009 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Ivan,

You contradicted yourself in the article. While the present roster is not a good NBA team, it is certainly better than the current won/loss and is not playing as well as the sum of their parts.

2 All-stars and a handful of role players and young, raw talent is enough to be competitive in the NBA.

Then you went on to say that the Wizards lacked energy, passion and hustle, none of which are talent.

Simply put, coaching is definitely a problem in addition to health/talent.

But please get off of Blatches back. Blatche is 22 so please expect him to be 22 and compare him to other 22 year olds. Then you will see why Grunfeld is perfectly happy with Blatche.

Posted by: UltimateFootballNetwork | March 2, 2009 2:09 AM | Report abuse

"Funny, you've never once called out Butler or thought of a cute nickname for him. Last time I checked, he was a co-captain. And while CB has at times shown that he can play defense, throughout this season it's seemed he's checked-out mentally on both sides of the court. At least with AJ, he always brings it on offense. I have my complaints about AJ, but he and Butler are simply part of the problem, not the whole. If we had a sound defensive center, that would help cover for AJ's lapses. If we had a sound defensive COACH, or a competent head coach, that would do wonders for our team defense. I don't blame AJ and CB. They're playing to the best of their ability. They've just been surrounded by a horrible supporting cast/raw talent. Remember KG in Minnesota? Great defense, great offense, team still sucked. You blame him for that?

Posted by: babbtong | March 2, 2009 1:39 AM "

What's so "funny?"

Please note that I wrote "captains," not "captain."

I would be on Caron's case more if he got on tv, radio, and the paper, and continued to talk down his younger teammates or say one thing and do the other, but he doesn't.

Dude is a worker, not a talker.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | March 2, 2009 7:55 AM | Report abuse

"I'm not really singling out anyone for 'blame'. Blaming individuals is more your preoccupation than mine.

All I'm saying is that you're placing blame on the team's two best players, despite the fact that there's plenty of evidence to contradict that. And in that, I think I'm correct.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 2, 2009 1:37 AM "

I'm glad you "think" you're correct, but you're not.

If you're not blaming the leaders of teh team, then who do you blame? I've already also blamed management/ownership.

In this economic crisis, the companies that are going down, are they blaming the new college recruits or the young workforce?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | March 2, 2009 7:57 AM | Report abuse

If I have permission to talk a little about the Bucks, I'm very impressed with Sessions and Villanueva. Charlie's game has really improved. He's shooting very well from 3 point range, and hitting that little jump hook, and at last taking full advantage of his size. He's really a 3 in a 4's body, so he'll always be at a disadvantage against more physical players, but he seems to have reached a point where he doesn't need to bang with them and can instead take advantage of his superior quickness.

Sessions is the real surprise. A good defensive player, a skilled passer, and even a decent shooter. Crittenton has far more talent but it's less developed. Gives you hope for his future, once he gets an off-season and camp in the Wiz' offensive scheme -- whatever that may be next season.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 2, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

dcman88: "I'm glad you "think" you're correct, but you're not.If you're not blaming the leaders of teh team, then who do you blame? I've already also blamed management/ownership.In this economic crisis, the companies that are going down, are they blaming the new college recruits or the young workforce?"

Well, as I said early this morning in a post that seems not to have made it onto the site, I'm not really into blaming. That's your thing.

Blaming is emotional. Blame shifts based on emotional responses. For instance, from Jordan to Tapscott to Grunfeld to Stevenson to Songaila to Jamison and Butler, even Abe Pollin, just this season.

Blame starts with emotion -- anger & frustration with a losing record -- and seeks out a target.

Accountability, on the other hand, begins with objective analysis and moves on to problem-solving.

As for that initial comment -- "I'm glad you "think" you're correct, but you're not" -- all I can say is, elegant argument, that.

Like the wag said: America has no law against stupidity. So we're all legally protected.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 2, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

It [the poor W-L record] shouldn't be like this, with 2 "all stars" on the team.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | March 1, 2009 11:49 PM

I agree. When I look at that resounding win over a playoff-contending Bulls team playing before first fan Obama, then look at the loss to the Bucks, who were missing Redd and Bogut, I see a Wiz team that brings it when it wants to -- but doesn't want to all that much. It just seems that the Wiz are unmotivated, as though they decided early on that this season would be a big disappointment, that goals would not be met, and that they'd just go through the motions and wait until next year. Maybe there's even some thought in the back of some minds about hurting their chances in the lottery if their record is too good. Somehow most individuals manage to keep respectable box scores, and they LOOK like they're going for the loose balls and making the effort a lot of the time, but overall they're just not. It's mystifying.
I guess we have to live with their decision to wait until next year.

Posted by: 7snider7 | March 2, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

"I agree. When I look at that resounding win over a playoff-contending Bulls team playing before first fan Obama, then look at the loss to the Bucks, who were missing Redd and Bogut, I see a Wiz team that brings it when it wants to -- but doesn't want to all that much. It just seems that the Wiz are unmotivated, as though they decided early on that this season would be a big disappointment, that goals would not be met, and that they'd just go through the motions and wait until next year. Maybe there's even some thought in the back of some minds about hurting their chances in the lottery if their record is too good. Somehow most individuals manage to keep respectable box scores, and they LOOK like they're going for the loose balls and making the effort a lot of the time, but overall they're just not. It's mystifying.
I guess we have to live with their decision to wait until next year.

Posted by: 7snider7 | March 2, 2009 10:47 AM "

It's sad that this team can't go far with all their players healthy, and are gosh awful when one gets injured.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | March 2, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

"Accountability, on the other hand, begins with objective analysis and moves on to problem-solving.

As for that initial comment -- "I'm glad you "think" you're correct, but you're not" -- all I can say is, elegant argument, that.

Like the wag said: America has no law against stupidity. So we're all legally protected.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 2, 2009 10:34 AM "

Accountability is not working, so that's why it's time to blame the captains.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | March 2, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

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