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Nuggets 124, Wizards 103

THAT was ugly.

The Nuggets rolled over the Wizards in embarrassing fashion tonight with 12 dunks and a bunch of easy layups while the injury-plagued Wizards looked totally out of whack. Seriously, after games like this, you have to wonder whether these guys even practice.

The team was booed several times and by the fourth quarter, fans were doing the wave just for the heck of it.

"It was embarrassing," Antawn Jamison said. "It's embarrassing to play at home and get booed by your fans. Time after time. The coaches are doing a great job telling us what to expect, what we need to do and certain guys don't take it the way they need to take it. For me, it's getting frustrating. To not protect the paint, not protect your teammates. On one end of the floor, you're a superstar but when it comes to competing and doing the things that take to win, you don't sacrifice for the team. That's frustrating.

More Jamison: "Honestly, I thought some of my guys were scared to be out there playing tonight. What are you supposed to do?"

Jamison led the way with 26 points -- 21 in the first half -- and Nick Young added 20 -- 12 in the fourth quarter when the game was out of hand -- but let's be real: nobody on this team is playing all that well. No single Wizard had a positive plus/minus tonight while Denver's Kenyon Martin was a whopping plus-40.

And, as raw and inexperienced as the young fellas are, it's not all on that. No way. This team got clocked for a stretch tonight when vets Jamison, Darius Songaila, Juan Dixon and Mike James were on the floor together.

By Ivan Carter  |  February 6, 2009; 11:27 PM ET
 | Tags: Dixon, James, Jamison, Nuggets, Songaila, Young  
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Comments

Hey Ivan i was wondering can you give us an update on Caron. i heard that the wizards were shopping him around according to espn.com

Posted by: brandonjamal13 | February 6, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

The wave was the most entertaining part of the game. Sadly I participated. Playing for the most ping-pong balls now.

Posted by: TonyStewartis14now | February 6, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Ivan's last comment says it all:

"And, as raw and inexperienced as the young fellas are, it's not all on that. No way. This team got clocked for a stretch tonight when vets Jamison, Darius Songaila, Juan Dixon and Mike James were on the floor together."

Jamison is an idiot to call out his team mates when he is also part of the problem. I am just sad to hear that even if the Wizards get the #1 pick of draft, they are too "Cheap" and "Stupid" to pay the luxury in order to get a real talented player like Blake Griffin and is just willing to trade him away in order to save money! With that type of miserly logic, what hope do we have to infuse new talent to this squad? I used to think that they were losing on purpose to get the number one pick, but now I am starting to wonder about the actual talent on this squad. Maybe it is really not the coaching after all!

Posted by: JohnWWW | February 6, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

This awfulness is terrible for the development of the young players. Old do-nothing, Ernie needs to do something. The team needs a real coach. Randy Ayres is one. Wes, Jr. is one. Bring back Eddie Jordan.

Why doesn't Ernie ever make himself available for the press?

Posted by: SteveC28 | February 6, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Yes JohnWWW, I'm disappointed in Jamisons comments also. He has made other comments that have made me wonder what he is thinking. Carolina is my College Team and I'm from Durham and will always be a Tarheel but some of Jamison's comments are off base.

Jamison's play will always be a good role fit on any good Team, but I wish he would call out the coaching like Majic and Jordan did. To me to speak out against the number one problem is the mark of a True Leader.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 7, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

could the comments of a team captain be more rancid? antawn acts as if he is above everyone else, citing the discrepancy between their offensive and defensive games, does he really think his d even sniffs his offensive production? I'm not saying the guy doesn't hustle but to throw your teammates under the bus so harshly and regularly is toxic. Antawn you are also 10-40 my man, just because you score and rebound doesn't mean you are immune to criticism, a real leader would tell them his thoughts in practice and quit pouring them to the media in such piercing, selfish ways. If you want to call people out do so, don't say "Honestly, I thought some of my guys were scared to be out there playing tonight." This vague, but bitterly harsh, disapproval can only be divisive. This is not how the leader of any team should conduct himself.

Posted by: bford1kb | February 7, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

And Johnwww, trust me when I say it, it is the coaching and nothing else, do not wonder about it, it is the coaching.

LarryInClntonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 7, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

I used to think that they were losing on purpose to get the number one pick,

When they weren't tanking

but now I am starting to wonder about the actual talent on this squad.

Now that they are tanking.

Ugly isn't it? And to think that this is exactly what so many of you have been asking for since December. Well now you got it. Still want it?

This awfulness is terrible for the development of the young players.

Yep. Hubie Brown thought so too. Maybe we can give them even more PT so it can be even worse for them...

Posted by: jones-y | February 7, 2009 12:30 AM | Report abuse

So true Bford1kb.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 7, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

And Johnwww, trust me when I say it, it is the coaching and nothing else, do not wonder about it, it is the coaching.

Its the talent first, coaching distant second. We are dressing one staring caliber player, two rotation caliber players, and six end of the bench guys.

The players are the ones going out and playing the game. Coaches get too much credit for winning and too much blame for losing. Doc Rivers was an idiot two seasons ago.

Posted by: jones-y | February 7, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

How bout trade for Amare Stoudamire. We do have enough pieces to trade for him. We got a potential #1 pick and we have lots of youth that Suns might be interested. Imagine if we could get Amare..

Posted by: forbid | February 7, 2009 12:45 AM | Report abuse

And some of our young guys can not ply when givin minutes (Pech, McGuire, Crittenton)
Dont see y the commentators applaud soo much on McGuire when he barely contribute anythin other than his average defense

Posted by: forbid | February 7, 2009 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Jones_y, the awfulness has nothing to do with the playing time that the young players get.

This awfulness would be just as bad even if the young players did not play.

If you have just bad awful coaching, it doesn't matter who plays, when they play or don't play.

Trust me Jones_y, with a real coach a whole lot of folks will be eating there words about these players.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 7, 2009 12:51 AM | Report abuse

I have wonder what AJ is thinking as well. Now is the time to lead, not cut down your teammates in the press (even if you've already said the same things to them in private (which I don't know that he's done)). I also think the coaches, players and fans continue to this team a disservice by always dividing this team into separate groups (vets and youngs). Everytime I hear the young guys this and the youngs that I start feeling they're seen (and most likely treated) as second class citizens. Once they decide that they're a team and judged on what they do on the court and not how long they've been in the league this team will start to play better.

BTW - I've not posted a comment in a while, but since ETap took over we've not heard anything about how bad AB conditioning is. We all knew that was BS and another reason why EJ had to go. And OP takes to long to shoot and puts the ball right in front of him and brings it down to his hips before he shoots. That's why he can't get on the court, he has a hard time getting his shoot off if someone plays him tight.

Posted by: 33dgriffin | February 7, 2009 3:36 AM | Report abuse

Jamison is the best. He is also the best whiskey. Before Arenas, before Caron, it was Jamison. You must admit this. He was one of the three greatest college players I have ever seen (after Danny Ferry and Danny Manning, in that order) and now he is on our team. Give him the respect that capital deserves.

Posted by: chinatown | February 7, 2009 4:00 AM | Report abuse

Where is Ernie Grunfeld in all of this mess?? Have not heard a peep out of him. And what about the status of Gilbert. He is getting paid all of that money and all he does is play one on one with the young players at practice. He is supposed to be the face of this team but where the hell is he and what is his status???!! This team is a complete and total EMABARASSMENT! Hell, if I were a player, I would be sick too! Who would want to play on national TV like that! I don't think that we should be shopping Caron though. That's my opinion. You see what happened when we let Mason leave. At this point, I don't know what if anything will help this team. Pretty soon, no one is going to show up at these ugle games!

As for Jamison, we don't know what is going on behind the scenes to make him speak out like that. That is not normally his disposition. Something has to be going on behind the scenes to make him make those comments.

Posted by: ivyleague | February 7, 2009 6:52 AM | Report abuse

Larry,

Is it true Deam Smith has gone back and deleted any trace of AJ playing at NC?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 7, 2009 6:55 AM | Report abuse

I watched the game just to hear Hubbie Brown talk.

Posted by: tundey | February 7, 2009 7:15 AM | Report abuse

George Karl: "They'll have some real positives to come out of this. It's just hard right now when it's so dark to find the positives because you can't really see them."

For the last 4 games, McGee is averaging 22 points and 11 boards per 40 minutes.

For the year he is averaging 2.7 blocks per 40 minutes. The league leaders, Howard and Camby, are at 3.3 and 3.0 blocks per 40 minutes.

My theory on Caron is that he figured out the best way to help this team develop is to play hookey, because otherwise Taps would never play anybody but the veterans.

Posted by: Izman | February 7, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Jamison will score points and never play a pinch of defense. Why is he even trying to say anything. Our starting line up should be McGee, Blatche, McGuire, Butler and Young.

Jamison can't, won't, never try to, don't give (you know what) to play defense. Sure, he will care about himself to put points on the board, but stopping your opponent is the KEY to winning, Jamison.

Jamison is one those quiet sucker punch people on our team. He say the right things, try to be a contributors but overall we need somebody to crash the boards on defense and this girl (Jamison) want to just add points. The Wizards need to trade him along with E. Thomas and first round pick and get a good Forward that play both sides of the court. Will Jamison play on both sides, NEVER, not on defense.

Posted by: clifton3 | February 7, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Denver looked great. What a difference in that team when Billups plays, and Kenyon Martin isn't bad, either. Couldn't help noticing Anthony leading the team in assists.

A club that could go somewhere in the playoffs. George Karl deserves credit, although he might want to drop Coach K a thank you note for Carmelo's Olympic experience. He's probably the best scorer in the league not named Kobe.

I was encouraged (okay, just a smidgeon) by better three point shooting from the Wiz. They were in the 40% range, a hair behind Denver. Of course neither team was playing much defense. Still, any real improvement in that respect will translate directly to a better record.

Blake Griffin, where are you? Although now I'm hearing encomiums about James Harden of Az State. The top five are shaping up to be Griffin, Harden, Thabeet, Jennings, and Aminu. If Rubio comes out, he goes very high.

Of the five, the one I have the most questions about is Thabeet. but he would also have the biggest upside, as any 7'
3" guy would if he turns out not to be a stiff.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 7, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Note to Stevec28: If you think Ernie is going to make himself available to the local media so they ask him WTF are you doing you're crazy Ernie's not having that, the GM savant knows all and will not answer anyone's question concerning this team, SO THERE!!

Posted by: dargregmag | February 7, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

"On one end of the floor, you're a superstar but when it comes to competing and doing the things that take to win, you don't sacrifice for the team."

What does this Jamison's comment mean?

Posted by: sagaliba | February 7, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Stoudemire is a cautionary tale about high draft choices. He went ninth, I think, and yet turned out a lot better than the supposedly strong class a year earlier (Brown, Curry, Chandler). In fact, he was better than those guys from the first training camp on.

The NBA draft is maybe not as big a crapshoot as the NFL, but it's close.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 7, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

same old same old....Jamison complains about nobody putting in the effort, but doesn't name names cause he doesn't want to upset anybody....he doesn't play defense and won't be here if this team ever decides to start playing pro defense...its like Al Davis says, just win baby, and these guys won't buy into it to do that...

Posted by: outrbnksm | February 7, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

same old same old....Jamison complains about nobody putting in the effort, but doesn't name names cause he doesn't want to upset anybody....he doesn't play defense and won't be here if this team ever decides to start playing pro defense...its like Al Davis says, just win baby, and these guys won't buy into it to do that...

Posted by: outrbnksm | February 7, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

But what do we expect? It's difficult to get up and play when you're 10-39... it's hard to put in all your effort and play your hardest when you're playing for nothing but a top 5 pick.

Posted by: rachel216 | February 7, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Coming soon: trading deadline and all-star break. Chances to shake up team and coaches.
Betcha Wiz will be involved.

Posted by: joe2chase | February 7, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Ivan and Mike, We need to hear from someone in the Zard's front office - Is there a real chance that they'd dump the 1st pick to save money?

That is the rumor, and they can squash it simply speaking up now. Please try to get a comment. Thanks.

Posted by: Giveussomehope | February 7, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Larry,

Is it true Deam Smith has gone back and deleted any trace of AJ playing at NC?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 7, 2009 6:55 AM

Yeah I'm laughing BulletsFan78. Thats good. Jamison might want to take a visit down to Carolina and get fresher outlook on things.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 7, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Ivan and Mike, We need to hear from someone in the Zard's front office - Is there a real chance that they'd dump the 1st pick to save money?

That is the rumor, and they can squash it simply speaking up now. Please try to get a comment. Thanks.

Posted by: Giveussomehope | February 7, 2009 12:09 PM

Giveussomehope,

It would be pound foolish to give up the pick. The Wizards need a big mean tough guy. They have to get rid of ETan, DSon, MJ, and possibly JD. They have to take a salary cap hit and luxury tax hit, in order to get this Team on track for a championship.

Getting rid of the pick will cost more in the long run than taking a hit now to make your Team substantially better.

Carrying the dead weight that will not help you win, i.e. DSon, Etan, and MJ will only retard the Teams progress.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 7, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Ivan and Mike, We need to hear from someone in the Zard's front office - Is there a real chance that they'd dump the 1st pick to save money?

That is the rumor, and they can squash it simply speaking up now. Please try to get a comment. Thanks.

Posted by: Giveussomehope | February 7, 2009 12:09 P
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There's a difference between rumor and speculation, and a good indicator is whether or not it originated on this message board.

Posted by: crs-one | February 7, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Wait a second, Jamison is the problem? Oh please. He's one of the few giving any effort at all.

I assume he is talking about Nick Young who has never met a shot he didn't like but seems to think defense is a disease.

Posted by: themantoyou | February 7, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I've been hard on Young for settling for jumpshots, so I'll give him props for being more active and aggressive attacking the basket off the dribble in the second half. Hen needs to do more of that. A lot more.

I was a little disturbed by McGee, He seemed to have been taking a page from Blatche's book, avoiding contact on moves around the basket and on the boards. I know he gets pushed around because of his slight frame, but that's no excuse for not at least trying to mix it up. The Nuggets aren't exactly the most physically intimidating team around. He needed to be doing a little more of what Chris Anderson was doing, attacking the rim and the boards with high aggression and energy.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 7, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"I've not posted a comment in a while, but since ETap took over we've not heard anything about how bad AB conditioning is. "

We don't need to hear it, we can see it. He's clearly heavier and slower than he was last season, not playing with as much energy up and down the floor or lift around the basket. Just because people stop talking about something doesn't mean the thing they're not talking about no longer exists.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 7, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert is playing with Nick after practice I heard, and is wearing a do-not distrub sign around his damn neck. He should be hung with that sign. He's suppose to be the franchise player, but can't sit out on the bench with the rest of the players to give support. Yet he continues to hide in the locker room. Sometimes I think he just drives home when the team is on the floor and laughs at them, watching the game from his 100 inch flat screen.

Posted by: brooksan | February 7, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I was a little disturbed by McGee, He seemed to have been taking a page from Blatche's book, avoiding contact on moves around the basket and on the boards. I know he gets pushed around because of his slight frame, but that's no excuse for not at least trying to mix it up.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 7, 2009 12:50 PM

Kal,

they both learned it from AJ who takes 25 shots and only makes it to the free throw line 2 times a game?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | February 7, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

brooksan: Sometimes I think [Gilbert] just drives home when the team is on the floor and laughs at them..."

You have to admit they are pretty funny, sometimes... in a sad sort of way.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 7, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

On the season Jamison averages 17 shots per game and gets to the line 5 times per game.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 7, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse


hey i hear that the Suns are testing the trade waters with Amare Stoudemire. i heard this and thought to myself about the possibility of being able to land Stoudemire in Washington. So doing the math and dreaming up a trade that the Suns would actually like and would help both teams, I came up with this:

TRADE:
Suns get,
F Antawn Jamison
G DeShawn Stevenson
C Darius Songaila

Wizards get,
F Amare Stoudemire
F Grant Hill
F Matt Barnes

and with expiring contracts, we can decide whether or not to resign Hill or Barnes at the end of the season, giving us more flex room under the cap. also Grant Hill has a connections here (his parents LIVE in DC). and after getting completely SNUBBED by not making the All-Star game, this will give Jamison a better shot of making the game next season (because I would hate to see him go like any one of us and this is the only reason I came up with).

... please let me know what you think.

- Justin L.

I realized this would be awesome for us, but I don't think Phoenix would pull the trigger on this. Also, I heard rumors that other teams were inquiring about Caron Butler. Now of course the Wizards deny that he's on the trade market, but we all know how that goes. So here is my new thought on a trade that the Wizards should propose to the Suns:

TRADE:
Suns get,
F Caron Butler
G DeShawn Stevenson
C Andray Blatche

Wizards get,
F Amare Stoudemire
F Grant Hill
F Alando Tucker

Even though I like the first trade I thought up first, this one makes more sense for both teams. Meaning that I think Phoenix would do this and face it, even though Haywood would be back we have do defensive presence under the boards and that is one of the reasons we keep losing. We are the opposite of the Celtics... we have enough shooters and Butler turns the ball over too much and Blatche continues to be way too inconsistent.

Posted by: rickysanders83 | February 7, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

LarryInClintonMD and JOHN WWWW -

I rarely post on the Wiz Insider but I follow them closely and I am an avid sports fan.

I DISAGREE with you about JAMISON COMMENTS:
FIRST OFF - Jamison is the LEADER of this team and needs to call out other players. The team has been lifeless for a month now. I've never seen a group of so-called "competitive athletes" not get angry. IF you want to WIN you chew out guys who aren't competing or handling their responsibilites. I WISH there was more arguing and fighting in/outside of the locker room. It would actually look like these guys CARE!!!

When I watch other struggling teams, they are being held accoutable from their VETS.

I do think Jamison could be doing a lot better, don't get me wrong but when it comes to leadership and how almost all our young guys hold themselves. ITS DISGUSTING...

Its a bunch of complacent, average basketball players... I wish they could cut 50% of them at the end of the year...

Posted by: DCSPORTS | February 7, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

There's a difference between rumor and speculation, and a good indicator is whether or not it originated on this message board.

Posted by: crs-one | February 7, 2009 12:31 PM

crs-one, it wasn't started here. From what I heard, Ivan or Mike brought it up on the John Thompson Show - saying the Wizards wouldn't be able to sign their 1st pick.

Posted by: Giveussomehope | February 7, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"From what I heard, Ivan or Mike brought it up on the John Thompson Show - saying the Wizards wouldn't be able to sign their 1st pick."


Only if its the top pick. Which means more than likely, we'll be trading that puppy.

Posted by: CBell29 | February 7, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I love all the trade speculation; PLEASE!!! You all make me LMAO! Trade who? for what? if the Suns want to make the playoffs then they had better stand pat Steve Kerr is another example of these GM's that think they know when they don't know sh#t from shinola he got rid of Mike D'Atoni and bought in Terry Porter whom the players basically can't stand, Kerr wanted a "defensive mindset" because he thought the Suns were capable of going farther in the postseason WRONG!!! players have to buy into that line of thinking the coach can implement and cajole, other than that you can trade certain players at the risk of team continuity,same with the Wizards Grunfeld's already screwed up the season so how is trading Butler or anyone else for that matter gonna make things better and do you actually think any of the Suns really want to come to DC? NO, and leave Grant Hill's fragile azz right where he belong's in Arizona!! In closing just remember the only reason Grunfeld would make a trade is to deflect heat from himself yeah but we all know better.

Posted by: dargregmag | February 7, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

funny- blame the coach, blame the captain, blame the GM (actually, that's accurate)...

its not a very good team; given the right infusion of the right elements they could be markedly better, but as is? nope- they are NOT who some of y'all thought they were...

and 'let all the young players run around in an unaccountable manner losing games by 20+ every night' is NOT 'player development'... that's Clipper development.

Posted by: natlawdp | February 7, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Larry,

Again, it's the coaching! Like you said in the last thread, this team would be .500 with better coaching, which has got to be the dumbest comment I've read in here ever.

Jones-y,

Your spot on my friend. Virtually everyone in here wanted them to tank and now they resort to blasting comments from Jamison and/or continue to rail against EG/Tap. Both are equally dumb. The only reason to read the Wiz Insider now is to get a good laugh!

It's amazing that people don't grasp that we are missing 4/5 of our best players and that is why we stink, which means 4/5 of those that played last night would not even be on the court in better times. Hubie Brown gets it and so does the rest of the NBA. Next year everyone will be back on the bandwagon, which will be hilarious unto itself.

-Pech and Dixon are marginal NBA players at best.
-McGee is a 20 year old rookie.
-Songalia, NY, JC, Blatche, James and McGuire are bench/role players playing completely out of their intended roles and in some cases position.

GA(80%),DS(if healthy), CB, AJ, and BH are a good starting unit for next year.

Then you'll have these backups with more experience next year and an added lottery pick off the bench. That's a real NBA squad with potential!

Posted by: rphilli721 | February 7, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if the Wizards are tanking naturally or on purpose. Either way, nobody ever said that tanking doesn't hurt a lot.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | February 7, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

For what it's worth:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=amaredealscenario-090207

According to sources that have had direct talks with the Suns, the team is looking at every option on the table that brings back cap relief and young players or draft picks. So far, Phoenix has refused to consider much else, shutting down a number of inquiries that would bring players without expiring contracts back to the Suns.


At the center of the trade storm is Amare Stoudemire, the starting power forward for the Western Conference All-Stars. Not far behind is Shaquille O'Neal, also a Western Conference All-Star. Even recently acquired Jason Richardson has been discussed, according to another GM who has had talks with the Suns.

The feeding frenzy that this has caused in the league is extraordinary. It's not often All-Star bigs are on the market this time of year. However, it's also terrible timing for the Suns. The economic situation is causing a number of owners to pause before agreeing to trade expiring contracts for long-term ones.

Even more problematic for the Suns is the current perception of Stoudemire around the league. A year ago, teams would have been willing to give up young All-Stars for the 26-year-old, super-athletic big man. Now? With Stoudemire playing indifferently, and with concerns about his impending free agency in the summer of 2010, a number of GMs are asking, "Is he worth the trouble?"

The Suns know it. I've been told that they know they won't be able to get equal talent in return. At this point, they're content with cap relief and a young player who could eventually blossom down the road.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 7, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Not much to say on my part, other then this is the first game where I noticed McGee looked "disinterested". He had no energy and as Kal mentioned he would shy away from contact and not go for blocks like his usual self.

NY also looked "disinterested" in the 1st half but seemed to get himself back together. As for OPEC, he is a nice guy but that dude does not belong in the NBA.

I to am getting a little tired of AJ's negative public comments. These are young dudes under normal circumstances would not even be playing and they were playing against the 4th best team in the West. What more could he expect?

I think Tapscott has totally lost the team now and it might be time for a change. Randy Ayers should take over and finish out the year.

Posted by: BulletsFever | February 7, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

So the Lakers apparently traded Radmanovic, the big shooter, to Charlotte for Adam Morrison, the not-so-big shooter. Shannon Brown was a throw-in, and there may have been one other I haven't heard about.

Hard to think of this trade as having much immediate value for either club, although I think Rad's contract is expiring this season or next. Morrison has been in Larry Brown's doghouse, but then, who hasn't?

Of course, Morrison could suddenly come alive and average fifteen a game, striking a blow for Type I diabetics everywhere. And Vlady could hit that big 3 pointer that gets the club into the playoffs for what, the first time ever?

the NBA -- if you can figure it out, let me know, please.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 7, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

"On one end of the floor, you're a superstar but when it comes to competing and doing the things that take to win, you don't sacrifice for the team. That's frustrating". A. Jamison

Who is AJ referring this comment too? Nick Young, because he dribbles too much and does not share the ball? Yet on the defensive end he does not play any decent "d"?

Or is he referring this comment to CB? He said you are a superstar on one end of the floor (offense), but when it comes time to competing and doing the things that take you to win, you don't sacrifice for the team.

Is AJ saying CB should have "sucked it up" with the flu bug and sacrifice how bad he was feeling to come out and play on a nationally televised game? Maybe I am streaching, because I sure hope so.....

Posted by: BulletsFever | February 7, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

- but let's be real: nobody on this team is playing all that well.

I guess I was lucky----I didn't watch the game.
I'm not surprised by the lack of hustle. ---- This team has won 10 games----that's not too bad considering.
If I was AJ I think I'd develop the 24 game flu.
What good is he doing playing 40+ a game? One bad bump and he could be joining the Wounded Wizzies and what would Abe do then???
I can't see wasting time whining for a new coach. If Pat Riley was coaching this team now he'd resign and name someone else to go through the motions like he did in Miami.
Only thing left to do is rest CB & Aj and let the rest of the boys get some gametime experience. This could be a good thing for this team.
Playing the vets 40+ a game and scoring 17 points in every 4 Q ain't the way to build - all that does is eventually tear a team down. That they can give anykind of effort at this stage is impressive.

Posted by: VBFan | February 7, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

There are no quick fixes to this one this season. The salary cap isn't the issue. Dallas and the Knicks have tried to purchase championships for years, and consistently fail. There's a combination of luck and skill that gets the job done.

The issue was a couple miscalculations in the off-season that didn't pan out (resigning Arenas to the big contract, letting Mason go). Injuries before the season began. And maybe the coaching move. Some of the stuff were things that were just miscalculations, some of it was just bad luck. At this stage, EG's got his work cut out for himself.

I have no problem with the Jamison comments. When you're 10 and 40 you try to do anything and everything you can to motivate your teammates -- even stuff that you might not consider when a team is 20 and 20. He's saying that stuff because he cares about on-the-court performance. He's earned the right to speak his due. Last year Caron was the most consistent player on the court -- this year it's been Jamison.

Posted by: JPRS | February 7, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

RpHilli721,

Unless we fire this incompetent person the Wizard's call a coach, your point or mines will never be proven now will it. So your point of view bears no more validity than mines now does it.

You believe the players are crap. I do not. Its just that simple and nothing else. You believe wise council (good coaching) won't make much of a difference with these players.

I believe that wise council (good coaching) will have made an extreme difference with these players.

Unfortunately, as long as Taps is coaching neither your point or mines will be proven one way or the other.

So, if my opinion is so damn stupid, what does that make yours.

Be careful RpHilli721, I was born at night, but not last night.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 7, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Denver is a bunch of punks, I lost all respect for Anthony and Martin is a jerk.

I am going to laugh and laugh when they get tossed from the playoffs this year.

They were by far the most classless team the Wiz have played this year. The Wiz are what they are(sorry EG, but they really suck) but there was a lot of things Denver did in that game that was unnecessary.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 7, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

"Denver is a bunch of punks, I lost all respect for Anthony and Martin is a jerk.

I am going to laugh and laugh when they get tossed from the playoffs this year.

They were by far the most classless team the Wiz have played this year. The Wiz are what they are(sorry EG, but they really suck) but there was a lot of things Denver did in that game that was unnecessary.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 7, 2009 10:41 PM:

Ray, it appears Denver got paid back tonight....they were TORCHED by the Nets....lost by around 45 points!

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 7, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Larry,

You want to take a poll of people in here or anywhere who think we would be a .500 team with better coaching??? Your delusional at best!

Your opinion is whack is what it is!

My opinion is reasonable!

And I never said our players were "crap".

They are young and for the most part talented with a couple of exceptions. They might be legit players in another couple of years. Right now, they should be spare parts or role players and are being forced into action due to injury.

So, POLL PLEASE...

WHO IN HERE THINKS THIS TEAM AS IS IS A .500 CLUB WITH THE "RIGHT" COACHING?????????

Posted by: rphilli721 | February 8, 2009 2:34 AM | Report abuse

While I don't think any coaching change would have brought this team to .500, a coaching change designed to give experience to and educate the young core of the team would have, I believe, left the team in a position to improve this season both in terms of their play and their attitude, not unlike we are seeing now in OKC (although I admit that the talent level in OKC is much higher). Clearly, EG jumped at the chance to dump EJ but had no real plan after that and the hiring of Taps has only served to waste precious time. Injuries have forced Taps to play the youngsters, not any thought-out plan to bring them along for the future. I am of the opinion that EG has done more good than bad for this franchise, but this has not been one of his shining moments.

An idea if we get the first pick. OKC should be salivating to get Blake Griffin. Let's swap picks with them, send Etan to OKC and get Nick Collison, a serious rebounder.

Posted by: mugsybol | February 8, 2009 6:44 AM | Report abuse

The chances of the veteran core grinding out a .500 record with Jordan the helm went up and smoke when Daniels came to camp hobbled and Haywood hurt his wrist.

I'd agree with Larry's notion that the core of players here is a whole lot better then 10-40. Tapscott has no strategy, and no direction of what he's trying to do. He's out coached on a nightly basis and seems to have no clue that he's a central part of the existing problem.

Question is, does Ernie have a strategy? After a 1-10 start did the discussion with Eddie turn to player development? Was that idea rejected by the head coach? Now it appears that almost on nightly basis Jamison points his finger in the general direction of the "young guys". But the vets are getting outplayed on a nightly basis too.

Is our veteran leader trying to work with the youngsters to improve and build for next year, or is he starting to makes noises about jumping ship? If he preceives this rebuilding is more then a one year deal, does he want out?

It appeared to me that Butler was only playing for an All Star bid for weeks, now that he didn't make it, what will he do the rest of the season?

I'd agree with O-Mark, you only have so much cartilage in a knee. Once it's damaged the clock starts clicking on the career. Many of the game's greats played for years on damaged knees and put up the best numbers in their careers. Gil should be able to come back and play at a high level.

But is it a smart move for Gil to come back in the midst of a lost season because some say he "owes it to the fans"?

Ernie's got a lot of questions to answer and decisions to make. One thing is clear odds are this season nets a top 5 player in the draft.

What Ernie does with that pick and who he picks to lead this team will determine the type of team we root for here for a long time. Blake Griffin is the number one guy, if the Wizards get that pick, is he the guy to change the direction of the team?

Thabeet maybe the bigger gamble, but he is a physical presence in the lane, a tough guy that will fight for postion and guard his territory on the defensive end. After watching Denver's dunkfest and then watching Michagan pass up shot after shot in the lane against Thabeet, I'm more convinced then ever that's the direction Ernie should be looking.

Posted by: flohrtv | February 8, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

An idea if we get the first pick. OKC should be salivating to get Blake Griffin. Let's swap picks with them, send Etan to OKC and get Nick Collison, a serious rebounder.

Posted by: mugsybol | February 8, 2009 6:44 AM

I just threw up in my mouth a lot. This is exactly what I don't want to see. Using the top pick to dump a contract and get back just a mediocre veteran would show that the franchise is putting money ahead of winnig. We've put up with this horrific season, because it leads to a very valuable draft pick. To throw it away for dollars would be the last straw for a lot of us fans who have supported the team through Mr. Pollin's mismanagement for 30 years.

Posted by: Giveussomehope | February 8, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Giveussomehope: Sorry you're feeling poorly. Rough Saturday night? Don't forget that we'd get a (hopefully) good rookie with the OKC pick, plus Collison. In the end, it depends on how you rate the top 5 in the draft. Is Griffin alone as useful to the team as Collison + Harden/Thabeet + dumping the useless Thomas and his contract.

Posted by: mugsybol | February 8, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

RpHilli721, lets bring some subjective sanity to this debate.

Lets compare two teams that had there coaches torpedoed. The Minesota Tims' and our Washington Wizs'.

Since Kevin Mchale took over a 4-15 Tim's he has went 13-17. And Keving Mchale, I would not consider the caliber of coach as Hubie Brown. But he has done a credible job with a Team of players I would not rate ahead of the Wizards players and in the West.

Since our boy took over our Wizs' at 1-10, he has went 9-30. Now everybody agrees that Taps is not a credible coach but even he has managed or the Players have managed to win nine more games to go 9-30.

Now there is no way that with a good calibur coach, in the class of Hubie, it would be inconceivable that this Team could not have won at least 20 games. That's only 11 more games than this sorry unqualified coach we now have.

I always said that when it comes to these playas' some of yawl' cannot see the forest for trees. You are one of them.

You are judging this Team on sorry inept results that comes from BAD and I mean really Bad coaching.

At 1-10, if Ernie Grunfield had hired a real NBA coach that was all about winning and it did not matter who he had to play to win, rookie, vet, or unproven, there is no way this Team would have only 10 wins.

I submit it would be more like 20, a 500 ballclub.

And just to put more clarity on the situation, 500 ballclubs don't mean you are great, you still got problems, you still bad, but you hanging in there.

With this coach, we have not had a chance, to just 'Hang In There'.

I don't know what you looking at RpHilli721, but there is enough talent on this team to just Hang In There.

We need a coach for crying out loud. I've said a long time ago, some of Yawl' need to get off these playas'.

We don't have no Wise Council to measure their performances against.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 8, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Correction, I meant more like 25 wins.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 8, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

IF the Wizards are fortunate enough to garner the number one pick, Griffin is clearly the guy to pick. But I'd agree that a package involving the rights to Thabeet could be more valuable to the Wizards.

Collison for Etan would be a nice throw in, but I'd also think that at the very least the Wiz could also pickup one of OKC's other two number one picks.

Watching McGee play more extensive minutes has convinced me that he moves well enough to stay with many 4's. And like Pervis Ellison he maybe somewhat of a "tweener" guy as a center.

It doesn't make me like him any less as a player, it just makes me think he's more of a hybred 4-5 type player. The opportunity to pair him and Thabeet on the same team could create an effective defensive backline with them alternating at center and playing some minutes together.

Thabeet impresses me more each time I see him this year, as a center I think he's playing far better then Oden was two years ago when he was all the rage and went #1.

Posted by: flohrtv | February 8, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

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