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Rumors ... (Updated)

I just spoke with someone familiar with the situation in Chicago and it is their belief that the Wizards have told the Bulls that they are not interested in an Etan Thomas and Mike James for Larry Hughes swap ...

Newsday's Alan Hahn reported earlier that the following scenario is dead. I lay it out anyway.

Elsewhere, you may have noticed the rumor that the Wizards are interested in bringing back Jared Jeffries. I can't confirm or deny that rumor but it does make some sense if the Wiz are able to send Thomas and James to the Knicks for Jeffries and Malik Rose. Jeffries has a deal running through 2010-11, but Rose would come off the books after this season and that would shave $7.67 million off of the Wiz payroll for next season.

As you know, the Wiz are looking at being well over the luxury tax threshold which could drop to the $69 million range next season.

The Knicks of course, would be able to dump Jeffries and clear up space for the summer of 2010 because both Thomas and James would come off their books. It would be win-win for both sides from that standpoint.

Stay tuned ...

By Ivan Carter  |  February 19, 2009; 12:22 PM ET
 | Tags: Etan Thomas, Larry Hughes, Mike James, Trades  
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Bummer about Hughes. I am shocked Washington would turn that down. It seems all good for us & nothing good for Chicago (the trades you love :)
Jefferies is interesting & more complex. I understand the Luxury tax for next season but then we have will have both Jefferies & Songaila's wasted contracts on the books into 2010. Although I want to be able to sign & keep our lottery pick & this could help with that.

Posted by: djnumb | February 19, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Ivan the wizards are stupid.They should take on hughes contract then you can get Etan out of here along with Mike James.At least Hughes would be okay he would not hurt the team.

Posted by: brandonjamal13 | February 19, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Pull the trigger, Ernie! Pull the trigger!

Posted by: CBell29 | February 19, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Jeffries is under contract through 2011 and adds nothing except he's a better defender at the 3 than CB3. I don't see any upside besides freeing up enough cap space to sign our lottery pick next summer. Jeffries wanted out in 2006 and the Wiz let him go for nothing since they felt he wasn't worth any long-term deal. Would Jeffries even put forth much of an effort to play for a team that didn't want him a couple years ago, especially when he's likely to receive minimal PT.

The Hughes deal at least made sense in that we were getting rid of two bad contracts for one, and a player who actually fit our glaring need for a SG who can score and play good defense. I'd make that trade way before the one that is proposed with NY....I shudder at the thought of Jeffries shooting a jump shot!!

Posted by: wizfan89 | February 19, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I disagree that the Wiz didn't want Jeffries. I think there was strong interest there but not at $6M or so average per year that the Knicks offered. Jeffries was a good defender when he was in DC and could at times shut down a premiere player. I'd welcome a Jeffries/Rose for Thomas/James swap as long as it didn't affect our ability to re-sign B Wood in 2010. Of course, a lot could happen between now and then at the center position. I agree with CBell29: Pull the trigger.

Posted by: jonathan30033 | February 19, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

why do we even have ernie he is why we let Larry go the first time along with jeffries.i thank if wiz could get Hughes they could redo his contract and wiz would still have money so send James and Thomas for Hughes and send songaila for jeffries
the wiz would even save some money that way but could save more if they redo hughes contract ERNIE NEEDS TO BE FIRED

Posted by: mpl021 | February 19, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

The days that the Wiz refused to match the offers that Jared Jefferies and Larry Hughes got from the Nicks and Cavs, respectively, were an indication that the team was finally emerging from the days of poor management. So, now I find it ironic that it is possible that one of those guys would return rather than doing the prudent thing by shedding the awful contract given to Antawn Jamison.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | February 19, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I always thought Jeffries was underrated, at least until he went to the Knicks. Since then he's just been 'overpaid.'

But there's a lot to like about the guy. He can swing between two positions, catches the ball inside, makes the good pass, can shoot a little when left by himself. He's nobody's idea of an All-Star but players that do the proverbial little things are few and far between in today's NBA.

As well as the NFL, the NHL, the Major Leagues, pro soccer, Olympic figure skating, synchronized swimming... you get the picture.

I think he'd help the team. Of course, that won't be enough for The Fanz, but last I read, the Cavs aren't offering LeBron for Etan, Mike James, and Songaila... selfish, that's what I call it.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 19, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Back to me saying Ernie need to be fired why did we trade Daniels for James and crittenton wiz had a trade in place for Hughes with Daniels and Thomas Ernie need to be fired

Posted by: mpl021 | February 19, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I still have PTSD flashbacks from the last Jeffries run here. Thanks but no thanks to bringing him back.

Posted by: pondaz | February 19, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Ivan, D.A. (David Aldridge) said Larry to the Wiz is a lock as long as nothing better comes along for the bulls? So if that's the case, where is Larry going?

Posted by: CBell29 | February 19, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

FIRE ERNIE
FIRE ERNIE
FIRE ERNIE

Posted by: mpl021 | February 19, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I really dont get why we wouldnt pull the trigger on Hughes. At this point, we should be focused on next year.

Picture this..

PG - AREANAS
SG - HUGHES
SF - BUTLER
PF - JAMISON
C - HAYWOOD

BCH - LOTTERY PICK (Blake GRIFFIN, PLEASE GOD!)
BCH - Stevenson
BCH - McGee
BCH - Mcgwire
BCH - Blatche

Posted by: Hondo5 | February 19, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

....I shudder at the thought of Jeffries shooting a jump shot!!

Posted by: wizfan89

I shudder at the thought of Jeffries attempting a layup.

Meanwhile, the last time the Wiz went beyond the first round of the playoffs is when they had Hughes. Coincidence?

Posted by: browneri | February 19, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse


That is a dumb trade. Larry Hughes deal would be better because he comes off the books in 2 yrs. Why the heck would the Wizards take on a 3yr Jefferies deal???? They didn't want to give him that kind of money during the off season but will take on 3yrs of it. Ernie will need to be let go if that goes down.

Just leave the team as it is and take the hit on the cap. Wizards don't need to trade bad for worst contracts.

Posted by: rcnasa | February 19, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Larry Hughes is going to the Knicks according to ESPN. Bummer...

Posted by: MOrgil | February 19, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I really dont get why we wouldnt pull the trigger on Hughes. At this point, we should be focused on next year.

Picture this..

PG - AREANAS
SG - HUGHES
SF - BUTLER
PF - JAMISON
C - HAYWOOD

BCH - LOTTERY PICK (Blake GRIFFIN, PLEASE GOD!)
BCH - Stevenson
BCH - McGee
BCH - Mcgwire
BCH - Blatche


Posted by: Hondo5

This rotation would not work.

Where is Nick Young? Also, adding Hughes is tough because the trade would not help out the cap situation for next season. We still wouldn't have the space to sign a lottery pick.

Posted by: dcsports12 | February 19, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

why do we even have ernie he is why we let Larry go the first time along with jeffries

No they were free agents and other teams overpaid for them.

redo hughes contract

This ain't the NFL.

Posted by: jones-y | February 19, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

POSTED: Feb. 19 -- 1:17 p.m. ET

Looks like our top three draft pick money just flew out the window...Damn Knicks!!!


Marc Stein: Word is coming in that the Knicks are closing in on some new players.

It is not immediately clear if this would be two separate trades or a three-way exchange, but I'm hearing that Oklahoma City's Chris Wilcox -- who went back to the Thunder on Wednesday night when the Tyson Chandler trade was rescinded -- and Chicago's Larry Hughes are New York-bound.

To complete the transaction(s), Oklahoma City would get Malik Rose and Chicago would receive Tim Thomas, Jerome James and Anthony Roberson.

Trying to nail it all down for you.

Posted by: akaarora | February 19, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

POSTED: Feb. 19 -- 1:17 p.m. ET

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-090218

Marc Stein: Word is coming in that the Knicks are closing in on some new players.

It is not immediately clear if this would be two separate trades or a three-way exchange, but I'm hearing that Oklahoma City's Chris Wilcox -- who went back to the Thunder on Wednesday night when the Tyson Chandler trade was rescinded -- and Chicago's Larry Hughes are New York-bound.

To complete the transaction(s), Oklahoma City would get Malik Rose and Chicago would receive Tim Thomas, Jerome James and Anthony Roberson.

Trying to nail it all down for you.

Tim Thomas and Jerome James? Damn. The Bulls must really want to be rid of Hughes. And there's something fitting about the Knicks trading for an overpaid declining swingman. I guess the ghost of Isiah Thomas still lingers.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 19, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Back to me saying Ernie need to be fired why did we trade Daniels for James and crittenton

AD was/is a great 10mpg backup point, and an awful 30mpg starting point. Especially with his injuries this year. The trade was for critt. He's gonna be a special player. Mike James is a stopgap until GA gets back and Critt is ready.

wiz had a trade in place for Hughes with Daniels and Thomas Ernie need to be fired

Hughes got hurt. He wouldn't have passed a physical, so deal was off.

Trading ET/MJ or ET/AD for Hughes would've been a great deal from a talent perspective, and until the lux tax cap went down by $6m it was virtually a wash financially. That deal still makes a lot of sense from a talent perspective, but now the deal with NY makes way more sense financially.

Just leave the team as it is and take the hit on the cap.

Its interesting how you guys toss around tens of millions of dollars of someone else's money...

Posted by: jones-y | February 19, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

why do we even have ernie he is why we let Larry go the first time along with jeffries.i thank if wiz could get Hughes they could redo his contract and wiz would still have money so send James and Thomas for Hughes and send songaila for jeffries
the wiz would even save some money that way but could save more if they redo hughes contract ERNIE NEEDS TO BE FIRED

Posted by: mpl021 | February 19, 2009 12:55 PM


Dude, Larry was a free agent and asked for 77 million! Would you give that hurt up bama that kind of paper? Besides, he left which opened up a spot for Caron. Now who would you rather have, Caron or Larry. Now we have a chance to get them both!

Posted by: CBell29 | February 19, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Jared Jeffries stinks. Pure and simple. The Knicks realized the mistake they made early on and he was hardly able to get off the pine after that. Great-- trade one loser-- Thomas-- for another. Talk about spinning your wheels. Ernie G is lost in space.

Posted by: dovelevine | February 19, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Also, adding Hughes is tough because the trade would not help out the cap situation for next season. We still wouldn't have the space to sign a lottery pick.

You can pretty much chalk that one up my friend. We're $6m over lux tax next year. We would need to shed that plus another $3-4m to sign that pick. Its good as gone.

Posted by: jones-y | February 19, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"Wizards have told the Bulls that they are not interested in an Etan Thomas and Mike James for Larry Hughes swap..."

Why not? I would do it in a hear beat! Unless Wizards is worrying about Arenas may not come back next season. But if that is the case, then Wizards better look for some one better than James! I am more and more impressed with Crittenton, let him start at PG (before Arenas is back), Hughes can take care of backup PG duties (along with Stevenson if he is healthy, or sign someone at minimum, since two for one swap will create one roster spot).

Etan is not playing this season, and Hughes is better than James. Cap-wise, there is no difference, all three of them have 2 yrs left (well, James is a player option that he will for sure exercise).

Posted by: sagaliba | February 19, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Man how bout trading for some new blood instead of only targeting old lousy has been Wizards.Is this a bad dream?

Posted by: dovelevine | February 19, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

ESPN is breaking that the Hughes for Thomas/James deal is done.

Posted by: closg | February 19, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Wait, James and Etan for Jeffries and Malik Rose, that ain't bad either.

Anyway, please don't pass the opportunity to get rid of Etan's bad contract.

Posted by: sagaliba | February 19, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

It's too late now but I'd have traded Etan for Jared in a New York minute, and the 4 player deal even faster. Jared is a good 3/4 sub whereas the Poet really has no position othe than his current one - the IR.

Posted by: lrmc623 | February 19, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

ABE FIRE ERNIE

Posted by: mpl021 | February 19, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

ABE FIRE YOURSELF

Posted by: jasonma1 | February 19, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"ESPN is breaking that the Hughes for Thomas/James deal is done."

If that's true, good!

The problem with Jeffries' deal is that he has 3 years left, one more than other guys. OTOH, Rose only has one year (i.e., this year), and we can use the cp space right away (e.g., on draft pick).

Posted by: sagaliba | February 19, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Only trade that made any sense was Hughes for Thomas (when healthy) and AD. Now that Thomas is hurt (and wouldn't pass a physical) and AD was traded for Mike James, I don't see how we can work any deal with Chicago that is as good as what NY offered. That's why the Wizards are the Wizards!!!

First offseason move needs to be to fire EG, followed by the medical staff. EG's personnel moves for the last 3 years have been terrible with none of his draft picks having any real impact and the FA deals for Songaila, Stevenson, and Arenas leaving the team stapped by the salary cap. Arenas would have resigned for less or we would have worked a sign-and-trade with Golden State. His exorbinant contract was the biggest reason there was no money left to re-sign Roger Mason.

Posted by: wizfan89 | February 19, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

As a general principle, paying $6-7 mill/year to a guy with career averages of 5 pts, 4 rebs, and 43% shooting should be enough to automatically cause a GM to lose his job.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 19, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Or had a chance. Larry to the knicks? Don't sound right.

Posted by: CBell29 | February 19, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Couldn't find ESPN report on Wizards trade, but saw Malik Rose is already traded to Thunders for Chris Wilcox.

Posted by: sagaliba | February 19, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"His exorbinant contract was the biggest reason there was no money left to re-sign Roger Mason."

Grunfeld outbidding himself (with no one else bidding) to overpay Stevenson the previous summer was a bigger reason.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 19, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"ESPN is breaking that the Hughes for Thomas/James deal is done."

Way to toy with the emotions. The "Thomas/James" is actually Tim Thomas and Jerome James, not Etan Thomas and Mike James.

Posted by: psps23 | February 19, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

^^^ that's too funny! I know I was looking for it...

Posted by: jones-y | February 19, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Darn, that means Etan's contract stays.

I wasn't on "Firing Erine bandwagon," now I may have to reconsider.

Posted by: sagaliba | February 19, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Whether it happens or not, just the fact that the only ideas this team can come up with is recycling not only old players but old has-been players shows you just how bankrupt of ideas the Wizards are. Unreal.

Posted by: dovelevine | February 19, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Well I'd have to agree that saying no to Chicago without first solidifying the NY trade was a huge mistake. All else (meaning the franchise's financial situation) being equal, I'd much rather have had LHughes.

Posted by: jones-y | February 19, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

So Hughes and Rose traded. I guess that is it for us huh? Our last chances to unloads those contracts. This blows.

Posted by: djnumb | February 19, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Our management sucks. I can't believe that we might lose our pick because of luxury tax problems (which have been caused by Gilbert "greedy" Arenas)

Posted by: MOrgil | February 19, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

An interesting piece by J.A.. Adande, particularly for this suggestion:

"Here's a more serious proposal: abolish the luxury tax. It was an artificial creation in the first place, implemented to keep big spenders from overwhelming the league, designed in part because the owners couldn't be counted on to exercise fiscal responsibility all on their own. Now that the real world has encroached on the NBA the desire to save money, payrolls will go down naturally. Teams won't spend what they literally don't have. No need to add punitive taxes that have become the driving force behind the trade market.


It's one thing to create cap space. At least that brings the hope of signing better players one day. There's no excitement generated by slipping below the tax threshold, unless you're one of those people who gets thrills from reading a spreadsheet.

Without the luxury tax, teams wouldn't feel compelled to cut their payrolls to a target number. There might not be the urgency to dump salaries ... and we could get back to arguing over who got the best players in a trade."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 19, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Funny. What are the odds that both teams have James/Thomas garbage combinations?

Posted by: original_mark | February 19, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

DAMMIT!! OK NOW I'M PISSED, WE HAD A CHANCE TO GET LARRY AND GET RID OF 2 SCRUBS AND WE DIDNT DO IT???

I'm sorry but I'm starting to agree Grunfeld needs to be letting go of him needs to be considered. Abe is too old to do much of anything unfortunately.

Posted by: insanity999 | February 19, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

FIRE ERNIE
FIRE ERNIE
FIRE ERNIE
FIRE ERNIE
FIRE ERNIE
FIRE ERNIE

Posted by: mpl021 | February 19, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Larry Hughs and Jared Jeffries were products of Eddie Jordan's system

Posted by: Keith28dagger | February 19, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

as far as Ernie goes only about 5 draft picks a year turn out to be stars. The NBA Draft is not like The NFL where you can find jems in any of the 7 rounds. Thats why its only 2 rounds the majority of the players in the NBA are role players and thats what the 15th 16th pick in the drafts gets you

Posted by: Keith28dagger | February 19, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately Abe is now too old and gives ernie g cart blanche to do as he pleases. and we see where that has gotten us. his entire mantra continues to be one day everyone will be healthy and we'll be fine with what we have. what a pipe dream. and now to see who he may have been interested in is really really sad. this team is rudderless with no one at the helm. oh yea right forgot about eddie tapscott. what a stroke of genius that hire was. bwahahahahahah.

Posted by: dovelevine | February 19, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

On the downside, there will ALWAYS be the one large market team or two that would try to field an all star team to win a championship in hopes that revenue generated from the championship run would offset the excess amount paid.
The Yankees are the classic example. I could easily see one of the billionaire owners (Miami maybe) trying to get LeBron to team with Wade. Imagine if they were able to do that. No state tax, warm weather are enticing to players. Why stop there? Get Bosh, too.

Miami would be hard to beat with that triumverate.

I like the luxury tax. I actually think it should gradually be lowered once salaries come down to reasonable levels (because of old contracts expiring).

Posted by: original_mark | February 19, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Larry Hughs and Jared Jeffries were products of Eddie Jordan's system

Posted by: Keith28dagger
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I agree that Hughes thrived under EJ's system. But Jeffries's asset is in his defense, especially for a team that is bad in defense, this hasn't changed. Regardless, I think it is a fair statement to say that Hughes is better than Mike James (in the case of Hughes for Etan/James), and he will be in his last year contract come next year, a good trade bait.

Posted by: sagaliba | February 19, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"On the downside, there will ALWAYS be the one large market team or two that would try to field an all star team to win a championship in hopes that revenue generated from the championship run would offset the excess amount paid."

Lots of teams (in many sports) have tried to spend their way to titles. Thing it, more often than not, it not only fails but it leaves the teams stuck with bad contracts and mired in mediocrity.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 19, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

As far as Ernie goes, why are so many folks here concerned about us not making a trade? What does Larry Hughes do for us besides take away pt from Nick Young? With CB at the 2, LH would never get any time anyway. CB is a better player.

Sometimes it's better to do nothing and in this case, doing nothing is fine. So we didn't trade away 2 poor players with expiring contracts for one average player with an expiring contract.

I don't get why folks here are upset with not getting Hughes. What am I missing?

Posted by: original_mark | February 19, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

"I don't get why folks here are upset with not getting Hughes. What am I missing?"

A sense of desperation and nostalgia?

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 19, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

True, Kal. That doesn't stop teams from trying, though. I laughed my arse off when the Lkers with Gp and Malone and Shaq, etc. failed to win a title. I HATE trying to load up to win a title.

Unfortunately, it worked for the Celts and this, like most other leagues, is a copycat league. Someone would try it.

Posted by: original_mark | February 19, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

LOL. True, Kal.

I liked LH when he was here. In fact, I thought he was as good as Gil because he played defense.

I also like the fact that JJ could bring the ball up court and was one of the only guys on our team who attempted to play D. With defensive minded C behind him and PF beside him, he'd be very good on D. He's a taller McGuire.

Posted by: original_mark | February 19, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I liked the Hughes deal. But I like Jeffries better. Larry is a good player but he's always hurt. I don't think he's ever played 82 games. Apart from when he broke his leg, JJ has been pretty durable. And as long as the Knicks are taking Etan's contract, what's not to like?

Posted by: tundey | February 19, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

BEFOR LARRY LEFT WIZ HE HAD BOUGHT A HOUSE AND TOUGH HE WAS STAYING AND THEN THEN GOOD OLD ERNIE LET HIM GO ERNIE IS THE ONLY PERISON I KNOW WHO FEEL OUT A SMART TREE AND HIT THE ONLY DUMB BRANCH IN IT FIRE HIM ALREADY LARRY SHOULD HAVE NEVER LEFT WHEN YOU HAVE TWO GUARDS LIKE GIL AND LARRY THAT PLAY THAT GOOD TOGETHER YOU DONT LET THIM GO
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Posted by: mpl021 | February 19, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

On the flip side...

I also liked the girlfriend I had in the 6th grade. She's now 225 and has a neck that's not discernable from her shoulders.

I'd much rather leave her (and Hughes/Jeffries) in the past.

Posted by: original_mark | February 19, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"Someone would try it."

They always do. But the history of previous attempts doesn't speak well to their odds of success. And the failed attempts actually help the other, less affluent teams by thinning the herd of competition. As I've said many times, it's how you spend, not how much that matters.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 19, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Who cares if young can score more point then Hughes it not always about that look at the point wiz have let up scene Hughes has been gone wiz need some D Hughes can do that plus Gil is the scorer on the team we don't need young if we have Gil back and stevenson on the bench Gil and Hughes was the best 1-2 guard duo when they were together

Posted by: mpl021 | February 19, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

IMO, the Hughes deal would have been nice because it would have brought at least a semi-productive player to the Wizards in exchange for 2 players that will have no production at all next year. In all likelihood, the Wizards will not make a serious move in trading Etan's or James' contracts (meaning a move that will bring a player here long-term) because the Wizards need those contracts to come off the books due to their salary cap situation, especially if they're going to re-sign Haywood or add another piece during that offseason. A Hughes trade would have provided the same thing in regards to the contract, and would have netted a useful body to the roster.

But what's done is done, no use talking about it anymore.

Posted by: psps23 | February 19, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"He's a taller McGuire."

I strongly disagree. Jeffries was really overrated as a defensive player. At best he was solid and workmanlike. He was never a lockdown D guy. Much like a moderately talented C who manages to block shots simply by virtue of being taller than everyone else, Jeffries' length made him hard for guards to shoot over, but he's not esp. noteworthy in terms of fundamental defensive ability. And he's a total nonentity on offense and the boards. I would much rather have McGuire.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 19, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

But JJ was always a very good offensive rebounder and his ability to handle the ball freed up Gil and Larry a little bit to spot up and create rather than expend energy bringing the ball up.

I think that JJ's defensive ability will never really be known as long as he's on teams that play NO defense like the Wiz and Knicks.

Posted by: original_mark | February 19, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Larry is a pure nostalgia. Good call kalorama. I wanted him but hopefully Nick young will be better soon

Posted by: BurgwithaU | February 19, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

So we didn't trade away 2 poor players with expiring contracts for one average player with an expiring contract.

I don't get why folks here are upset with not getting Hughes. What am I missing?

Posted by: original_mark
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Because Etan is tough to trade with his 15% trade kick-in clause.

I imagine Hughes will be easier to trade come next year. He can also be of service early next season before trade deadline. I don't expect Etan and James will be much use next season with Arenas and Haywood back (and McGee one year better).

Posted by: sagaliba | February 19, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

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