Trade Rumors Update

Trade rumor update: SI's Ian Thomsen threw out a rumor that the Cavs and WIz have been talking about a deal that would send Antawn Jamison to C-town in a package that would bring back Wally Sczcerbiak and his $13 million expiring contract.

Mike Lee talked about it in the last post. Here's what I can tell you: As I've reported before, the Cavs have been trying to use Wally World's cap space in an attempt to pry Caron Butler or Jamison for a while. It's really not that new. My sources tell me it isn't happening. For sure not Butler and not Jamison either.

Word is that Cleveland does not want to part with J.J. Hickson, the rookie power forward. Now, I can't tell you whether Ernie Grunfeld would do a deal that would package Antawn and another contract in a deal that would bring back Wally's EC and Hickson. I just don't know.

My gut and Ernie himselfl tell me that Ernie sincerely wants to keep this core together. Gilbert Arenas is ramping up his workouts (contrary to what was reported elsewhere, he did not practice yesterday though he did participate in some drills) and word is that he will play at some point before the end of the season.

I'll stick with the theory that Ernie's best chance for improving this team is to wait and see what pick he gets and then try to package it with a contract or two (Etan Thomas or Mike James) in order to get back a piece who could help. Or, maybe Blake Griffin is there and Ernie, having gauged where the team is with Gilbert and Brendan Haywood, and decides what he wants to do at that point.

Stay tuned....


By Ivan Carter |  February 17, 2009; 5:06 PM ET
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Ivan I understand Ernie would like to stick with the same roster,but if you keep getting bounce out of the playoffs then you have to make a move. Say Gilbert does comeback next season this team is still not an nba finals team so he has to do something.

Posted by: brandonjamal13 | February 17, 2009 5:28 PM

Jameson for Wally's EC, is nuts. Let's trade ET and MJ expiring contracts for Hickson.

Posted by: bailey5 | February 17, 2009 5:35 PM

Why can't we trade ET and MJ for Hughes...it gets rid of 2 scrubs, us gives us one more potent scorer (he can play pg, sg, or sf) anda better defender.

Posted by: insanity999 | February 17, 2009 5:44 PM

If there is a deal involving Jamison for some cap relief and another player then I would do that in a heartbeat. We need the cap space for the draft pick next year and we could probably convince Cleveland to take another bad contract to boot. If Ernie has any salt he will move Jamison now while his worth is still high. Next year you will have whoever you draft and then you still have Blatche and McGee to play PF. I love AJ but the best move long term would be to move him for some flexibility down the road.

Posted by: russcarreiro@yahoo.com | February 17, 2009 5:53 PM

"We need the cap space for the draft pick next year"

No, they don't. Dixon and Brown's expiring deals will more than cover the draft pick's first year salary.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 17, 2009 5:57 PM

i think its time to move on.... we should trade jamison.... there are going to be big time pfs avalible in the draft for us .... i want us to get there draft pick or hickson included in this trade becouse we are basicly handing them a championship

Posted by: jahbless420 | February 17, 2009 6:00 PM

Even under a best case scenario, this core cannot advance past the 2nd round.

Blow it up! If you can get get rid of 2 or more bad contracts using AJ and CB, and get back cap space and young players or picks, then do it.

The Blazers want Caron, and the Cavs want Antawn. Give it to them. Make them eat bad contracts, and get back some expiring contracts plus prospects.

Rebuild around the lottery pick, the kids, and a hopefully healthy Gilbert.

Posted by: dericozw | February 17, 2009 6:07 PM

That lets us sign a FA in the offseason, and or package some kids for yet another player.

It basically allows you to find another trio through trades and FA. The Gilbert-Caron-Antawn trio has not and will not work. Not enough defense, and too much water under the bridge at this point.

Posted by: dericozw | February 17, 2009 6:09 PM

I say do it.

Let's clear space to try to lure one of the 2010 FAs - Bosh, Stoudemire, Boozer; someone who is a proven frontcourt commodity.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2009 6:13 PM

Wally Sczcerbiak = useless. We would basically be getting nothing.

Posted by: rachel216 | February 17, 2009 6:16 PM

"No, they don't. Dixon and Brown's expiring deals will more than cover the draft pick's first year salary."

Yes they do. The cap is going to be LESS than it is this year. If the Wizards do not clear cap space then they will be in luxury tax territory regardless of the contracts you mentioned. Its actually a very dire situation because we have a cheap owner. If we do not clear cap space then Ernie will be forced to trade the draft pick for next year, which would be a unmitigated disaster for our club's future.

Posted by: russcarreiro@yahoo.com | February 17, 2009 6:19 PM

"The Blazers want Caron, and the Cavs want Antawn. Give it to them. Make them eat bad contracts, and get back some expiring contracts plus prospects."

That would actually make sense. But that's not what this deal is about. People are talking about trading Jamison for nothing but cap space and using the supposed "flexibility" to . . what? Sign Nick Young to an extension and re-sign a 30-year old Haywood? Big whoop. If they're going to roll with this core they need Jamison more than they need a couple mill in cap space. If not, then they should start moving everyone. Standing on the island in between doesn't make any sense.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 17, 2009 6:20 PM

Sadly, I don't see it happening. AJ is like a "son" to Abe, isn't he?

He's always seemed to prefer well-behaved and safe mediocrity to championship talent...

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2009 6:20 PM

i would keep caron his contract is awsome ... i would trade jamison for wallys expiring if they include hickson or a pick

mybe we could then do the etan+mike for hughes trade

Posted by: jahbless420 | February 17, 2009 6:22 PM

Kal, Brown and Dixon make a combined $2 million. Derrick Rose, last years 1st overall pick, is making over $4 million this year. Their expiring contracts will not cover a top 5 picks contract next year.

Posted by: detox04 | February 17, 2009 6:24 PM

Why do people want Hughes back? He had a nice year when he was playing for a contract. Nick Young and Caron Butler pretty much give us what Hughes gave us.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2009 6:24 PM

I like JJ Hickson a lot but if they want Jamison then it would be Hickson and the Cav's #1 that's it end of story,with Jamison it gives the Cav's a big time scoring option and makes them a serious championship contender Ernie needs to play it smart(that would be a first).

Posted by: dargregmag | February 17, 2009 6:25 PM

The Blazers can have Caron...if they send LaMarcus Aldridge our way!

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2009 6:28 PM

The trade is hardly fair in terms of talent but it would allow the team to undo the mistake of signing Jamison to so much money for such a long time. Does anyone here really want to venture a guess as to what AJ's numbers will be like 3 years down the road when he's 35 and making more or less 12 million a year? I'd also add that Jamison's game is so unorthodox that it has long distorted how the team plays. The Wizards are as soft as marshmallows and having AJ as a PF has a lot to do with that. The idea that a core of AJ, Gil and Caron is going anywhere is, by this time, ridiculous. Pull the trigger and let's go into next year with a high pick and some wiggle room under the luxury tax.

Posted by: mugsybol | February 17, 2009 6:29 PM

It pains me to say this but...ship him. Hope we get the #1 overall and Griffin and start him next season in Jamison's stead.

Eff Cleveland.

Posted by: Wittan | February 17, 2009 6:30 PM

Btw: Rose, the 1st pick, makes $4+ million. Kevin Love, the 5th pick, makes $2.6 million. With the 2nd worst record in the NBA the Wiz would be guarenteed no worse than the 5th pick (in case you didn't know the draft lottery is only for the top 3 picks, the rest are in order of record. So if 3 better teams were picks 1-3, the Wiz as the 2nd worst team would be 5th).

Posted by: detox04 | February 17, 2009 6:35 PM

I agree that dealing Caron or AJ without also getting rid of bad contracts, without getting back expiring deals, and without getting back some young assets is a mistake. Any deal for either player should include those 3 elements. But if they can achieve those three things, then blow this team up!

I am sick of Abe and Ernie enabling these no D 'All-Star vets' who think they are better than they really are. It would really suck to see Caron go, as he plays hard is in his prime and has a great contract (we should have built around him and not Gilbert), but at this point he is our best trade asset. Blow it up.

Posted by: dericozw | February 17, 2009 6:39 PM

jamison32+james34 for wally+hickson 2009 1st

we make room for our young players and clear cap

makes too much sence for both teams

Posted by: jahbless420 | February 17, 2009 7:02 PM

caron:
great contract
good offensive game
solid defender at the 3 (looks bad at the moment because he is guarding 2 guards)
all around good team guy and character guy

jamison:
terrible contract (32-33 years old)
good (but a bit unorthodox) offensive game
liability (putting it nicely) defensively
all around good team guy and character guy

griffin:
can give him a favorable contract on a cap
decent offensive game
solid defender (can rebound and body up extremely well)
seems to be a good team and character guy

if we ship jamison off, manage to get the first over pick and take griffin with it, and build around caron and a healthy gilbert I think we would be on the way to something.

positions looks like this:
gilbert/javaris/dixon
deshawn/young/dixon
caron/macguire/pecherov
blatche/songalia/griffin
brendan/blatche/magee

and maybe another FA veteran pick up. someone that can actually help the young guys develop as professionals and can help us if we happen to make the playoffs.

I really don't see any reason to keep jamison, but keeping caron is a must. you really aren't going to find too many SF that are better and more importantly available, and that want to be in the DC.

the NBA is all about contracts/assets. Just Monopoly with a basketball players.

Posted by: jonnyflo14 | February 17, 2009 7:17 PM

i think jamison wants to win now remember how he spoke out in the media about the team ... i think its best to give him what he want and send him to a team that is ready for a championship now ... he deserves that he worked hard for us and things didnt go the way they were suppose to here he is not getting any younger he want a ring

Posted by: jahbless420 | February 17, 2009 7:24 PM

Sadly, I say yes to this deal.

Jamison is not getting any younger, and this does two things:

1) Tells your team ANYONE is tradable, no one is safe so play better.

2) Admit your mistakes and start rebuilding for the future.

They trade Jamison, they better darn get the #1 pick and use it on the kid from Oklahoma.

They should also ask for Clevelands #1 as well. If they think Jamison can put them over, they will give it up.

Also it gives Jamison a chance to win a title now. This team is not going to win a title even when it's healthy. I think EG is kidding himself on that one.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 17, 2009 7:37 PM

"Kal, Brown and Dixon make a combined $2 million. Derrick Rose, last years 1st overall pick, is making over $4 million this year. Their expiring contracts will not cover a top 5 picks contract next year.

No, but when you add the amount of their salaries with the team's existing space under the luxury tax, they should be able to fit their first rounder under the tax ceiling without going over.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 17, 2009 7:40 PM

No, but when you add the amount of their salaries with the team's existing space under the luxury tax, they should be able to fit their first rounder under the tax ceiling without going over.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 17, 2009 7:40 PM

Uhh ... no. Our pick goes on our salary next year, not this year.

Next year, we're already at 76 million in team salary, not including the pick. Including the pick puts us near 80 million.

The tax level was 71.05 million this year. It'll probably be around 70 million next year with the declining economy. Either way, it's not going to be near 80 million.

So no, we don't have the room for our pick. In fact, even if we sacrifice the pick, we still won't have room. That's why trading Jamison makes a lot of sense. Dumping him and Etan saves around 18 million, and we get to keep our precious lottery pick.

Posted by: Pradamaster | February 17, 2009 7:55 PM

"Uhh ... no. Our pick goes on our salary next year, not this year."

Uhh . . . yeah. No sh*t, Sherlock.

The fact is, we really don't know what the luxury tax will be next year. Any discussion about it is, by definition, speculation at this point. We won't know what it actually is until it's announced. Until then, I still maintain that trading Jamison now, for nothing, to avoid a speculative tax that they may or may not end up having to pay is a bad move, both in terms of basketball and business.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 17, 2009 8:14 PM

The fact is, we really don't know what the luxury tax will be next year. Any discussion about it is, by definition, speculation at this point. We won't know what it actually is until it's announced. Until then, I still maintain that trading Jamison now, for nothing, to avoid a speculative tax that they may or may not end up having to pay is a bad move, both in terms of basketball and business.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 17, 2009 8:14 PM

Come on, dude. Do you think there's any chance the tax is going to be anywhere near 80 million dollars?

Oh, but you never know. Maybe the tax rises by nine million dollars despite the state of the economy. You're right. Better hold out hope for that.

Posted by: Pradamaster | February 17, 2009 8:26 PM

There is no possible way that we will avoid the luxury tax next year if we make no moves. None.

That's not speculation.

Posted by: Pradamaster | February 17, 2009 8:28 PM

So, let's review for a second.

This is your original statement (emphasis mine).

No, but when you add the amount of their salaries with the team's existing space under the luxury tax, they should be able to fit their first rounder under the tax ceiling without going over.

Posted by: kalo_rama | February 17, 2009 7:40 PM

Then, I come back with figures of our team salary (76 million without a first-round pick, 80 million if we get the first pick), figures of last year's luxury tax level (just over 71 million) and with an assumption (oh, but you can't make assumptions!) that the economy will cause the tax level to at least not rise.

Then, you say, "Uhh . . . yeah. No sh*t, Sherlock," to which I'm thinking, "huh?" Because by saying that, you're basically killing your own argument.

Oh, but you aren't, because then you say.

"The fact is, we really don't know what the luxury tax will be next year. Any discussion about it is, by definition, speculation at this point. We won't know what it actually is until it's announced."

Except your initial post contained an assumption that we'd be able to afford our draft pick without doing anything because you assumed we would be under the tax next year. An assumption that was proved wrong by facts. And then, you have the gall to tell me that I can't assume anything about next year's tax level? Really? I can't assume it will be lower than 80 million?

You really just can't admit you were wrong about something, can you?

Posted by: Pradamaster | February 17, 2009 8:36 PM

And I don't even care if we differ about trading Jamison. That's not what this is about.

I only jumped in because you were wrong about the draft picks. Don't make this about Antawn. We're just making two different conclusions on that front.

Posted by: Pradamaster | February 17, 2009 8:39 PM

Wow it's like me and pradamaster are the same person. I just made the same points in the next post.

Posted by: detox04 | February 17, 2009 8:51 PM

Gotta pull the trigger on this and hope to get Griffin in the draft.

Posted by: Wittan | February 17, 2009 9:31 PM

There is nothing wrong with EG trading MeTawn for salary cap relief with Wally. Les BouleS should take Wally and the Cavs's first round draft pick for the next 2 seasons.

Nobody is untouchable on the worst team in the NBA.

But, trading MeTawn would only be made if EG had foresight where he could clear cap room in hopes of eventually landing a big free agent down the line like DWade, LeBron, or Bosh in 2010.

It's unlikely any of those dudes would even consider DC, but what is clear is that the personnel Les BouleS now have can't get out of the 1st round even when healthy, and the supporting cast can't consistently help beat some of the worst teams in the league right now.

BTW, it is necessary to mention again what happened this summer.

EG told Gilby that he should take less money to give him flexibility in signing free agents. After Gilby complied, EG didn't really even bother pursuing Roger Mason, but instead, signed someone by the name of Dee Brown.

Of course, Dee Brown was a throw in with the AD trade, and was cut shortly after that. What a total waste.

Taking it even further back, EG let Larry Hughes walk after the season where Larry helped the team make it to the 2nd round. EG came with a low offer and LH didn't bother to negotiate. Then it was recently revealed that EG tried to trade back for LH this season.

These two points were missing from Ivan's article today about EG. EG is grabbing at straws trying to assemble together a basketball roster that's not a laughing stock in the league. Next thing we know, EG will hire Tim Legler as the coach for next season.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 17, 2009 11:25 PM

"You really just can't admit you were wrong about something, can you?

Posted by: Pradamaster | February 17, 2009 8:36 PM "

Nothing new there.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 17, 2009 11:28 PM

Don't you people know that marijuana is the drug of choice for NBA and former NBA players? Ernie is a former NBA player and his behaviors and actions reminds you that he has not kick the habit yet! He is totally delusional to put it mildly! He will never trade Jamison for the good of the team! In fact, I think he must have shared some of that good batch of "Ganja Weed" to Abe as well! Hey, you got to stop the pain some how if you own and watch these Wizards play day in and day out! Good luck dreaming, man!

Posted by: JohnWWW | February 17, 2009 11:43 PM

Taking it even further back, EG let Larry Hughes walk after the season where Larry helped the team make it to the 2nd round. EG came with a low offer and LH didn't bother to negotiate. Then it was recently revealed that EG tried to trade back for LH this season.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | February 17, 2009 11:25 PM

There are lots of things to kill EG about, the Larry Hughes situation isn't one of them.

So he low balled Hughes. Think the Cavs are happy with the high ball contract they gave him? Apparently, EG's "low ball" contract was just about right. Cutting bait on a guy (like Joe Dumars did with Ben Wallace) is just as important a GM skill as who to acquire.

Wally Sczcerbiak = useless. We would basically be getting nothing.

Posted by: rachel216 | February 17, 2009 6:16 PM

If you define "we" as professional basketball fans in Washington DC this is correct.

But if you define "we" as the Wizards organization, then getting Wally S.'s contract is worth upwards of $40million. If yuo have the chance to make that kind of money in any deal, you have to at least THINK about it.

And, please EG, hold out for Hickson. Thursday afternoon as the deadline gets closer, just tell Danny Ferry "Do you want to go down as the guy who lost a chance to win a championship becasue of J.J. Hickson?"

Posted by: traderkirk | February 18, 2009 9:39 AM

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