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You Decide: Wizards Offseason Decisions

Now that Coach Flip Saunders is in place, the Wizards have $76 million committed to 14 players next season, which means that they will have to make a trade or two to make a roster upgrade -- or hope that they get really, really lucky with an impact player in the draft. Asked last week about his plans for roster moves this summer, Ernie Grunfeld said, "We'll see. We don't have a crystal ball. We don't know what opportunities will present themselves."

Last week, I listed five concerns for the Wizards heading into the offseason. The team will have to decide what to do if it doesn't get the No. 1 pick, how to establish its lineup if it does get the No. 1 (Blake Griffin), try to move an expiring contract or two, decide whether to hold on to its youngsters and the Big Three.

I meant to ask, but which one of those five do you think will be the most difficult challenge for Grunfeld and the Wizards? And what other concerns do you think the team will have to deal with this summer?

By Michael Lee  |  April 28, 2009; 11:33 AM ET
 
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The main concern is the defensive weakness of Antawn Jamison.

Posted by: iamdawalrus | April 28, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

My main concern is that the Bullets will get lucky and have a good season one of these days! Then again, a broken clock is right twice a day! Bullet suck!

Posted by: jwing14 | April 28, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Finding takers for James and Etan isn't a concern. Those guys come off the books next summer, so there is some benefit to keeping them. If you replace them with guys signed long-term, the Wiz have a real issue with the luxury tax.

The main concern is simple: given the fact that Ernie is very unlikley to break up the so-called "big 3," how can Ernie most improve the rotation -- especially if we don't land the #1, or possibly #2 pick (Rubio).

My guess it it's going to be through the type of trade Boston made to land Ray Allen, even though the player may not be that high quality. It depends where the pick is.

Ernie will have options, but he'll have constraints too.

Posted by: TheFunBunch | April 28, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

AJ should go back to being the sixth man; he excelled in that role years ago with Dallas ... his D is too week and doesn't help establish the right mind-set for D early in a game; as other teams get into a groove and stay there.

Posted by: aypub | April 28, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

So, which of the Wizards stalwart lockdown defensive players will step into the starting lineup and establish that bulldog defensive mindset if Jamison goes to the bench?

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

What is this defense that everyone keeps talking about? We aren’t going to win a championship anyway, let’s just run and gun and make the playoffs again. We can’t beat Cleveland and Boston playing their game. We should just be the best running team in the East. See Phoenix for what happens when you try to change the personality of a team. They still aren’t winning titles and they are boring to watch.

Posted by: bryan1976 | April 28, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

One lockdown defensive player who might be available is James Posey... New Orleans is going to have to rebuild around Paul and West, and clearly Chandler is not going to give them what they need in the middle (we should hire OKC's doctors too, for that matter, they seem to know a health problem when they see one).

If we get the 3 pick and choose Thabeet, I could see a deal invoving The Poet and Thabeet for Posey, a filler, and the Hornets first rounder.

Posted by: khrabb | April 28, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Arenas was fun to watch when healthy. Unfortunately for fans everywhere his career is over! Hoping against hope that I am wrong.
I would trade the big three (let two consummate pros in Jamison and Butler try for a ring) and start over. Bite the bullet now! I know how badly it hurts management to do that but must be done.

Posted by: Vacation4243 | April 28, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

The biggest challenge for the Bullets/Wizards is to overcome the organization's existing mentality that overwhelmingly accepts mediocrity.

Posted by: oknow1 | April 28, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

for all you morons who have nothing but negative things to say..I am sure there is a Lakers beat writer or a retard in Ohio that worships lebron that you all can join in with more positive comments since those teams are doing well right now. The negativity sickens me.

Get on board and realize we quite possibly might have one of the deadliest lineups in Bullets history and have a prime opportunity to strike. Get behind them, realize there will be negatives but they get smoothed away with the positives. If you focus on crap then thats all you see. Focus on the positive then you realize you can work your way through the crap

http://www.wizardsextreme.com

Posted by: WizardsExtreme | April 28, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't think placing a 'lock-down' defensive player (if there is such a thing in the NBA) in the starting lineup is going to dramatically improve the defense. Defense is a team concept. For example, Haywood is a good defender at the 5, but if someone at the 1-3 gets beat, which is likely on our team, he has to step in to fill the lane, leaving his man open. That usually results in either a layup, a foul for Haywood or the 4, or in some cases, a good block.

The whole team needs to buy into the defensive scheme, and follow their assignments, check-downs, rotations. Much like offense, there is a chemistry to it. And the defense should be tailored around the players' talents. Jamison is overmatched 1-on-1 at the 4, but he's an excellent defensive rebounder. I think people focus so much on what Jamison can't do, but let's be honest here, Butler lacks a lot defensively at his position, too. And after a healthy Arenas, Jamison is our best, and most consistent offensive player. He also our most durable player. Butler can't stay healthy. Jamison's worst season, health-wise, with the Wiz was better than all but one of Butler's. I see no reason to move Antawn to the bench unless he's no longer producing close to his normal standards offensively.

I think if you are going to try and replace one of the 'big three' in the starting lineup, specifically via a trade, it should be Butler. McGuire can duplicate or improve on most of Butler's game, with the notable exception of scoring, and certainly brings much better defense. If a starting shooting guard can be found that meshes will with this group, ho can defend well and is a very reliable outside shooter (and I still think Raja Bell could be that player) I think you'd have a good mix of a starting 5. Two very potent scorers in Arenas and Jamison. solid contributers, offensively, in Bell and Haywood. A great finisher in McGuire. Defensively, you'd have 3 players on the court who thrive on that side of the ball

Just a thought, and maybe there is a better mix, but I still think of the big three, what Butler brings (on the court) is the easiest to reproduce. Heck, depending on who lands the 1st pick in the draft, he may be able to be packaged with our 2nd pick for the 1st pick and a contract in return, though unlikely.

Posted by: segastyle | April 28, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

We're already eating the tax this year - how about signing Ariza to the full MLE and taking a year of financial disaster, but then keeping Thomas and James to get back under the tax next season (as opposed to trading those players for a good player and eating the tax for the next 2-3 years). He certainly brings a lot of defense to the table.

We could also package a decent prospect like Young or Blatche to dump the Stevenson or Songaila contract - frustrating, but perhaps necessary.

Posted by: GshawnJohnson | April 28, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

If we get Blake Griffin, how about trading Antawn, Etan, and DeShawn for Tracy McGrady?

Posted by: yop32 | April 28, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Why?

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Tracy McGrady?

Are you insane???

The combination of T-Mac and the 'Curse O Les Boulez' effectively constitutes a self-imposed post-season ban.

Posted by: mabkhar | April 28, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

The biggest concern of the Wizards going into the 09/10 season is creating a competitive team.

The realities are:
- Gil is a big '?;' how will he play, will he be able to compete at a high level for 82 (plus) games????? (remember he has been injured the last 2 years)
- Jamison is a year older, a year slower, and still has 3 years left on his contract
- We don't know what we have in regard to the young guys (they all are '?'... none were consistent all season)

With a new coach and a new system perhaps this is the best time to make big changes and see where things shake out:
- trade Jamison; trade both expiring contracts; trade any of the 'young guns' for vets that better fit what Flip wants to do

* We have to many '?' to keep things as they are right now.
'Get on that phone Ernie...'

Posted by: fishin41 | April 28, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

First thing first... if they do not have the #1 pick... trade it... look around and see who is available (big)... trade it along with Thomas. If they do have the #1... Check to see if Griffin is really 6'9" and not a college 6'9”... if he's 6'6" - 6'7”...you listen to trade offers (big)... If he's not a real 6'9" then he will not be as effective in the Pros... (defensively/low post)... again you trade that pick along with Thomas for a big ... If you cannot trade that pick... you select Griffin... and you trade (if you can) Thomas and Blatche as a package... Blatche still have enough potential to warrant interest and Thomas can hustle for someone else

Posted by: hindukat1 | April 28, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Synopsis: TRADE FOR RIP HAMILTON

The Pistons got swept 4-0. The Bad Boys are over and the team is in full rebuilding mode, looking to clear up cap space. The Iverson trade was not intended as a fair exchange of talent, it was intended to get that 20 million off of the cap.
Rip Hamilton is 31 years old and therefore by the time (2 years) it would take for the Pistons to rebuild, Rip will be too old to be a key contributor. Therefore it makes sense for the Pistons to deal him for cap space.
The Wizards are in must-win-now mode. Rip is a former-Wizard, has played under Flip, and fills the desperate need the Wizards have at shooting guard.
Shooting guard is only position where the Wizards don't have a legitimate starter. Young and Stevenson are both backups at best at this point.
Mike James + Etan Thomas's expiring contracts would be (w/ Etan's kicker) about 15 million combined. The Pistons would have 15 million more available in 2010, which is what they want.
The Wizards would get back Rip and McDyess. Rip and Gil would go perfect together and Rip would be a great teacher for Young. McDyess would be a veteran leader, as reliable and consistent as Songaila except with talent (esp. rebounding talent).

Posted by: emmet1 | April 28, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I expect to see a trade if they don't land the #1 pick. Could involve Jamison, but I doubt it, Jamison however at this point is better for the team coming off the bench.

You guys really think Thabeet is a good option, I have serious doubts about the kid?

Posted by: showell81 | April 28, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

showell81 .. I'm with you .. I also have serious doubts about Thabeet .. That's why I say trade the pick if they don't the #1 and still trade it if they get the #1 and Griffin is not a real 6'9"

Posted by: hindukat1 | April 28, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Amen tho that WizardsExtreme. I am looking forward to next year's squad and I think they are going to suprise a lot of folks. Especially(and my fingers are crossed here) if we stay healthy and the younguns mature a little over the summer, which I am expecting to happen. And Puleeze stay off Jamison! Hell we would not have had the couple of wins that we did without him. I see Phillie was eager to get him before he signed so he can't be as bad as yall make him out to be. Dude played in almost every game and was professional inspite of all of the BS he had to put up with. I would rather have him on our squad even if he may be a little defensively challenged. It is not for lack of effort. I will take his 20 and 10 everynight as I am sure some of these other teams would too.

Posted by: ivyleague | April 28, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

(A) Hamilton is a bad fit in a offense with a shoot-first PG. That lesson was driven home quite strongly this past season. He needs a distributing PG who will get him the ball in his sweet spots. The Wiz don't have one of those. (B) The Wizards need a SG who can create off the dribble and get into the paint, which is not Hamilton's strength. (C) McDyess is an unrestricted FA and the Pistons don't have his Bird rights, so they can't use him in a sign-and-trade, and there's no reason to think he'd spurn offers from contenders to sign here. (D) Saunders was basically run out of town on a rail by the Pistons players who were pretty much open in their lack of respect for him as a coach, despite the fact that he took them to 3 conf. finals and won 5+ games every year he was there. Reuniting them would seem to be a highly questionable idea at best.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

what about bringin back Larry Hughes? great defender. would be great coming off the bench.

Posted by: ryjufox3 | April 28, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm not so sure kalo_rama. Billups is hardly a pure passing PG either. Hamilton is similar to Jamison (who has done quite well with Arenas) in that he loves to do his damage off the ball. Arenas is a much different player than both Billups and Iverson. I also don't know why we'd want a SG who creates off the dribble, considering Arenas dominates the ball and Butler also scores a lot on isolation.

Regardless, I don't think these Hamilton scenarios are realistic.

Posted by: GshawnJohnson | April 28, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"Billups is hardly a pure passing PG either."

Didn't say he was.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

(A) Hamilton is a bad fit in a offense with a shoot-first PG. That lesson was driven home quite strongly this past season. He needs a distributing PG who will get him the ball in his sweet spots. The Wiz don't have one of those.

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I realize it's impossible to say after two games that Arenas has evolved away from being a shoot first PG. It has to be taken with a grain of salt.

But for arguments sake, let's say that Arenas does take on the role of a distributor. Would you see an Arenas/Hamilton backcourt working in that case?

This is also assuming that Hamilton wasn't one of the players that hated Saunders.

Posted by: crs-one | April 28, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"Arenas is a much different player than both Billups and Iverson."

He's different from Billups in that he has not shown the ability to efficiently run an offense. He's similar to Iverson in that he gets most of his assists by other players reacting to what he does (e.g., running to poen spots and waiting for him to kick out when the defense collapses on his penetration). Hamilton needs a PG who's more adapt and making plays based his movement (i.e., looking for him comming off cuts and downscreens). Arenas is not that kind of player. That's not a knock, it's just a fact.

"I also don't know why we'd want a SG who creates off the dribble, considering Arenas dominates the ball and Butler also scores a lot on isolation."

Because it draws the defense in and opens up the floor for the other players. The Wiz need more players who can create offense, be it off the dribble or on post ups. Having one guy who has the ball in his hands all the time and a bunch of other guys who stand around watching results in stagnate half court offense. Part of the reason Arenas dominates the ball is because no one else can create anything with the ball in their hands.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

,i>"This is also assuming that Hamilton wasn't one of the players that hated Saunders."

Based on everything I read about the Pistons during Saunders 3 years there (and I read a lot) that is a false assumption.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

"This is also assuming that Hamilton wasn't one of the players that hated Saunders."

Based on everything I read about the Pistons during Saunders 3 years there (and I read a lot) that is a false assumption.


Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Let me amend that. Hate is probably too strong a word, but they certainly didn't respect him as a coach or a leader, and there's no reason to think that has changed in less than a year.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"This is also assuming that Hamilton wasn't one of the players that hated Saunders."

Based on everything I read about the Pistons during Saunders 3 years there (and I read a lot) that is a false assumption.


Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 4:10 PM

Granted, I'm stretching the argument every which way to create a situation where we'd have arenas and hamilton. So, suspending the fact that hamilton doesn't seem to like saunders, if arenas matured and was more of a distributor, would you enjoy watching an arenas/hamilton team?

Posted by: crs-one | April 28, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I am of the opinion that the most prudent thing for the Zards to do for this up coming season is to stand pat.

They've been saddled with ET awful contract this long and now have aquired another terrible contract in MJs. The only advantage now is that they both expire after the '09 season. That's nearly $14 mil off the books.

If I'm Grunfeld, I think you need to allow Flip to assess exactly what he has given the offensive/defensive systems he wants to run. Then make a determination either near the trade deadline or after next season regarding the next move.

To that end, ET and MJ are like money in the bank, their value grows the longer you hold them.

The Zards at best, are a season away from being serious contenders. So prepare for the 2010 season, BTH will be UFA, and CB will be in the final year of his deal. The Zards will have the flexibility to chase the big fish if they want.

Posted by: bozomoeman | April 28, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Still haven't figured out people's bit about Jamison getting old. This past year he was our best scorer, best 3pt shooter, best rebounder, and played in 81 of 82 games. All his numbers were better than his career averages except blocks. They were also all almost identical to his previous season, and in many cases slightly better. Yes, eventually he will play 'old,' but right now, that's not the case.

Butler also had similar numbers this past season to the season before, though almost all slightly lower. Significantly, his 3pt% went back to his more typical output of 31%, even though he took about the same number of shots per game. He also added about a half turnover per game while losing half an assist. Alarmingly, this is also the third straight season he missed 15 or more games.

Would I trade Jamison in a package for another big man better than Jamison? Sure. But not to go with one of our current big men in his stead.

Posted by: segastyle | April 28, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"Ernie Grunfeld said, "We'll see. We don't have a crystal ball. We don't know what opportunities will present themselves."

Ernie, there are a lot of crystal balls laying around here in this blog. You want mind reader, palm reader? You can find them all here as well.

Posted by: Dave381 | April 28, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"So, suspending the fact that hamilton doesn't seem to like saunders. . ."

There is no suspending that fact, so your argument pretty much dies on the vine right there. The rift between Saunders and the Pistons core veterans was pretty widely reported. For Grunfeld to add one of the key instigators of the revolt to this team would be tantamount to intentionally undermining his own handpicked coach. That notwithstanding, Hamilton is a bad fit for this Wizards team.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Rip and Flip seemed to get along, although Flip played Rip fewer minutes than he was accustomed to because Flip thought he needed to bring Rip back slowly from an injury. Also, Rip voiced concerns that Flip did not hold everyone on the team equally accountable.
Kal, if this team is to have any success, Gilbert is going to become the true point guard that both Saunders (see Billups, Chauncey) and Arenas want for him to be. Therefore, I am operating on the assumption that he will have a distributor.
The McDyess inclusion was careless on my part. Rip's got 11.38 million in salary and James + Etan ='s 15.29 million (w/ Etan's trade kicker). The Pistons would want to avoid taking on more salary that first year if possible, and the Wizards would have to take on at least 12.2 million for the trade to work. So add in whoever you want, up to Amir Johnson who would make it an even salary swap.
And do we really need someone who can create off the dribble at SG. Don't we need someone who can knock down the jumper off the kickout from Arenas?

Posted by: emmet1 | April 28, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

seeing as DC wasn't in the top 10 most violent cities in 2008, does anyone else think it might be a good time to BRING BACK THE BULLETS??? The Wizards have the worst name, logo & colors. Bring back the Red, White and Blue! If they did it, they'd make millions in apparel sales and probably win 10 extra games alone on style (jk)

Posted by: Beggarsandthieves | April 28, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I think in the long run Wizard fans would be disappointed if we got Griffin. He has no shot. He's not big enough to play the post. He shoots 50% from the free throw line. He is not going to be the impact player everyone thinks he is. He is going to be a project most likely. Do the Wizards want to tie up money for another project? Thats all they ever draft. They never get impact players. If the time is "now" for this roster then much more is needed than another limited player who might develop down the road.

Posted by: dandyhuffman | April 28, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Nick Young seems like someone who can potentially create at SG.

A couple big questions are:

Can Blatche fill-in for Jamison consistently in the event of an injury (or if the Wizards don't land Griffin)?

What kind of insurance will the Wizards try to add at PG?

Gotta think that they'll try to find a veteran to fill-in and support Arenas. Relying on Crittenton at this stage in his career as the primary back-up seems like a risk.

If the Wizards do land Griffin, I wouldn't be too surprised to see the Wizards try to move Blatche along with Etan or Mike James (e.g. the Wizards would have to add a player with upside who is under contract for a few years on favorable terms -- it's also hard to see them risk moving McGee, and Pech probably won't attract any value).

Posted by: JPRS | April 28, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

There is no suspending that fact, so your argument pretty much dies on the vine right there.

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Dude. It's not an argument. there's no challenge here. I'm just making a hypothetical fantasy where we can add a fourth all-star in at shooting guard. You normally have interesting things to say so I wanted to have some fun with the idea.

Posted by: crs-one | April 28, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"Rip and Flip seemed to get along"

Just because they didn't yell at each other on the sidelines (like Rasheed) doesn't mean the got along. I followed the local coverage of the Pistons on a daily basis. They didn't like playing for Flip and were happy to see him go, Rip included.

"Kal, if this team is to have any success, Gilbert is going to become the true point guard that both Saunders (see Billups, Chauncey) and Arenas want for him to be. Therefore, I am operating on the assumption that he will have a distributor."

Assumptions, by their very nature, have a high probability of being wrong. It took Billups several years to go from the being a scorer to becoming a complete player. Expecting it to happen to Arenas right away going into next season is wildly over-optimistic. And unless/until it does happen, he and Hamilton are a bad match.

"And do we really need someone who can create off the dribble at SG. Don't we need someone who can knock down the jumper off the kickout from Arenas?"

There's no law that says the two are mutually exclusive. But given that they've already got guys who can hit open jumpshots off kickouts (Jamison, Butler, Young, Songaila, Stevenson), another guy who can drive and kick would be a much bigger asset, since currently they only have one of those and given that he's working on a surgically repaired knee, finding a way to lighten his workload might be a good idea.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I know a lot of people are talking about ET's trade kicker, but is it possible for some of you to explain what a trade kicker exactly means? thanks in advance!!

Posted by: Goelez | April 28, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

"Dude. It's not an argument."

Really? Funny, that's not what you said here:

"Granted, I'm stretching the argument every which way to create a situation where we'd have arenas and hamilton. So, suspending the fact that hamilton doesn't seem to like saunders, if arenas matured and was more of a distributor, would you enjoy watching an arenas/hamilton team?

Posted by: crs-one | April 28, 2009 4:16 PM

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"Nick Young seems like someone who can potentially create at SG."

It's the "potentially" part that's a problem. Potential isn't worth much until it turns into actual, and Young hasn't shown much interest in making that happen on a consistent basis.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

"Arenas is a much different player than both Billups and Iverson."

He's different from Billups in that he has not shown the ability to efficiently run an offense.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 4:07 PM

Huh? You wanna correct this? Because that's just dead wrong. When Arenas was healthy the Wizards had one of the most efficient offenses in basketball. Arenas himself was nothing like Iverson because he was in fact a very efficient scorer. People like to complain about his shot selection but the fact of the matter is that offense wasn't the problem. He pushed tempo, drew attention away from other players, shot 3s well and got to the line at a ridiculous rate.

Any guy that can make DeShawn Stevenson & Jared Jeffries look like passable options at SG and make Larry Hughes look like an all-star is pretty damn good at what he does.

I'm not going to argue the point about Rip & Gil playing together b/c I don't think Rip is the answer either but saying Gil didn't show that he could run an offense efficiently is just not correct.

Posted by: Dat2U | April 28, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

"Huh? You wanna correct this?"

Nope, because there's nothing to correct.

"When Arenas was healthy the Wizards had one of the most efficient offenses in basketball."

They scored a lot of points. That's not the same as being efficient. And they scored most of those points off of Arenas, Jamison, and Butler going one-on-one, not as a result of Arenas orchestrating the offensive attack.

"Any guy that can make DeShawn Stevenson & Jared Jeffries look like passable options at SG . . ."

It doesn't take Stockton or Magic to pass the ball to a wide open spot up shooter alone in the corner. Jeffries isn't a SG and has never looked anything close to "passable" on offense.

I'm not knocking Arenas, because he's a damn good player. He's a good passer, but that's not the same as being a good playmaker. He is what he is and pretending he's something else doesn't make it so.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

EG's biggest challenge is moving the large undesirable contracts of Etan, James, and possibly Songaila. If we don't land the No. 1 pick, I don't see any impact player in the draft. Packaging Etan and/or James with our No. 1 to a team for a veteran who could help us immediately at the 4 or SG would be the route to go. I don't see Abe Pollin letting Ernie go over the luxury cap unless it's for the No. 1 pick.

As for the rest of the roster, there's not much flexibility with the long-term deals in place for Arena, Jamison, and Butler who are all signed for at least two more years. Improvement will only come in the form of better health and more of commitment to defense from the team.

This is a 40-45 win team if healthy that should secure the 6th or 7th seed next year, but won't get out of the first round.

Posted by: wizfan89 | April 28, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Let's see if the NBA ping pong ball gods do?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | April 28, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

they need a low post scoring option and I would bring jamison off the bench for a scoring boost ala jason terry

Posted by: anacostia85 | April 28, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Goelez, a trade kicker, in essence, means that if traded, Etan's salary will increase to a certain amount. So if he were making $7mil, with a $1mil kicker, the team that gets him also has to take on his new salary of $8mil, and that salary is part of the deal, so they owuld need to match close to that in return salary to us if they were over the cap, which most teams are.

I think that's the basics. someone else could probably be more specific.

Posted by: segastyle | April 28, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

"EG's biggest challenge is moving the large undesirable contracts of Etan, James, and possibly Songaila" - wizfan

Only, EG doesn't have to trade any of those players.

There's a good chance the Wizards will already be in luxury tax land this upcoming season. And trading those guys for a guy of close to equal salary will most likely not get them out of luxury tax land.

Unless they can be traded before the season for a player we will really use, we're better off waiting until close to the deadline in-season to trade either Thomas or James. Songaila is not coming into his last season, so he's not really in the same category, plus his salary is actually somewhat manageable. Also unless we bring in another big man via the draft or trade, we'll probably still need him in case of injury.

Posted by: segastyle | April 28, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

"Nick Young seems like someone who can potentially create at SG."

It's the "potentially" part that's a problem. Potential isn't worth much until it turns into actual, and Young hasn't shown much interest in making that happen on a consistent basis.

Posted by: kalo_rama

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We can play semantic games here, but I'd say the potential has been realized. We know Young can score off the dribble, because he did it on multiple occasions this season. We're not talking about a hypothetical with respect to the raw ability. He's demonstrated the ability.

If Young works out with Arenas this off-seasons it should benefit. He's entering his 3rd season too.

I wouldn't rely on him as a starter, but you don't depend on the same degree of consistency from a guy who comes off the bench as you do with a starter. I also think that Young DID demonstrate some consistency as the year went along (e.g. from March 13th until the end of the season).

The main questions will be "how far does DS2 progress in his recovery from hernia surgery" -- what impact will Arenas's presence on the floor have on Young's consistency?

I'd wager that Young will be a more consistent threat with Arenas on the floor in part because he's likely to get some more favorable match-ups to exploit than he did this year. Young can beat a lot of players off the dribble in a one-and-one situation. He struggles when he's facing double-teams and traps. With Arenas on the court, it's likely that Young won't see a lot of double-teams.

Posted by: JPRS | April 28, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

"We can play semantic games here, but I'd say the potential has been realized. We know Young can score off the dribble, because he did it on multiple occasions this season. We're not talking about a hypothetical with respect to the raw ability. He's demonstrated the ability."

No question. But what he hasn't demonstrated is an understanding of the need or a willingness to do it on a consistent basis. He still settles for that rainbow fadeaway a vast majority of the time, even in situations where he clearly has a lane to the basket and an advantage over the defender. As long as that's the case, his potential hasn't been realized.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm not knocking Arenas, because he's a damn good player. He's a good passer, but that's not the same as being a good playmaker. He is what he is and pretending he's something else doesn't make it so.
-Kalorama

'He is what he is' until he becomes something else. Great players can do that. I thought there might have been signs that he could add another dimension to his game in his two trial run games late in the season.
You're right, just a whole lot of what ifs until next season. Then we'll see if Arenas can flow with the team, seeing the whole court, maximizing his teammates contributions instead of the run and gun of the past.
That will be Saunders goal as a coach, he has already indicated as much and has been talking with GA about it as well.

Posted by: midlevex | April 28, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

"I wouldn't rely on him as a starter, but you don't depend on the same degree of consistency from a guy who comes off the bench as you do with a starter."

Winning teams expect (and generally get) consistent play from all of the players in their regular rotation.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

"'He is what he is' until he becomes something else."

And until he becomes something else (which he hasn't) he is what he is. And what he is is the only basis on which he can or should be judged.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

They scored a lot of points. That's not the same as being efficient. And they scored most of those points off of Arenas, Jamison, and Butler going one-on-one, not as a result of Arenas orchestrating the offensive attack.

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It doesn't take Stockton or Magic to pass the ball to a wide open spot up shooter alone in the corner. Jeffries isn't a SG and has never looked anything close to "passable" on offense.

I'm not knocking Arenas, because he's a damn good player. He's a good passer, but that's not the same as being a good playmaker. He is what he is and pretending he's something else doesn't make it so.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 5:11 PM

Um, they were very efficient. They didn't necessarily shoot a high percentage but when you take into account how often they get to the free throw line, their ability to hit 3s and how often they got offensive putbacks, they were near the top of the league in efficiency.

Jeffries wasn't passable offensively, but he was passable as a starting SG b/c of his offensive rebounding & his length on the perimeter defensively. Maybe even moreso than Stevenson who can hardly do more than hit an open jumper and can't get a rebound to save his life.

If Arenas isn't a playmaker, then I don't know who is. Apparently being a playmaker is so narrowly defined in your mind that its impossible for anyone other than Magic or Stockton to qualify.

I'll say it again. With Arenas running the offense, we had no problems. Any issues the Wizards had when healthy concerned with the defensive side of the things.

Posted by: Dat2U | April 28, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

I just want the wizards to get a veteran sg. I would like somebody like Barbosa, Posey, Raja Bell or even Rasul Butler

Posted by: Capsnskins1 | April 28, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

"We can play semantic games here, but I'd say the potential has been realized. We know Young can score off the dribble, because he did it on multiple occasions this season. We're not talking about a hypothetical with respect to the raw ability. He's demonstrated the ability."

No question. But what he hasn't demonstrated is an understanding of the need or a willingness to do it on a consistent basis. He still settles for that rainbow fadeaway a vast majority of the time, even in situations where he clearly has a lane to the basket and an advantage over the defender. As long as that's the case, his potential hasn't been realized.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 6:02 PM

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There's definitely room for him to develop his game, but this is after all only his 2nd season.

The expectation is that he will continue to develop his game -- especially if he's working with Arenas this summer.

I think it's fair to say that he took a step forward this season ahead of the rookie year -- that doesn't mean that there still isn't a lot of room for development.

The original question was: "do the Wizards have a SG who can create off the dribble?"

The answer to that is: Yes.

"Do the Wizards have a SG who can create off the dribble, in the clutch, consistently?"

The answer to that question remains to be seen.

Posted by: JPRS | April 28, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I don't feel as though Deshawn is gonna do the job. He will shoot 1-25 and still d0 the "you can't see me thing." He's a bum. We all know we aren't gonna do jack this off season. We spectulate as fans and are also let down with this team. I would like us to something with our roster, but history says we aint doin jack diddly doo. I do wanna draft Blake griffin if we get the # 1 pick if not I say trade it or get Harden.

Posted by: Capsnskins1 | April 28, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

As much as I'd like to take kalo-rama at his word that he has a direct line to Rip Hamilton's brain, here is an actual quote from Rip himself, as reported in The Detroit News last tuesday:

"Oh, I think [Saunders would] be good for Washington and for the city. He's an offensive genius and he brings a lot of great concepts to the game. He would be great for them."

That doesn't sound like the opinion of someone who "certainly didn't respect him as a coach or a leader" (Kalo's words), unless in Detroit calling someone a "genius" is some sort of dis?

Posted by: oogliemooglie | April 28, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

To me, Grunfeld's dilemma is that he's only got two decisions that are likely to make a difference in terms of saving his job (assuming he wants to save it).

He just made the first of those decisions. The second one depends on a ping-pong ball.

If the Wiz get the top spot, it'll be Griffin. Only question about that guy is how tall he really is -- I've heard estimates from 6'7" to over 6'9". Either way he's a spectacular rebounder and a more than adequate inside scorer who can run the court with the best of them. If there is such a thing as a no-brainer, it's Griffin.

So Ernie's real decision comes up only if they don't pick first.

I'm an admirer of Rubio, but it's hard for me to believe a team is going to pass on a 7'3" shotblocker for a European point guard. The Wiz might be one of the few teams that could logically argue they need Rubio more than Thabeet.

They do, actually. Not for now, but for the future. The kid's terrific.

Ernie's problem, IMO, isn't too mahy options, it's that he may just have too few.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 28, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

"'He is what he is' until he becomes something else. Great players can do that. I thought there might have been signs that he could add another dimension to his game in his two trial run games late in the season.
You're right, just a whole lot of what ifs until next season. Then we'll see if Arenas can flow with the team, seeing the whole court, maximizing his teammates contributions instead of the run and gun of the past.
That will be Saunders goal as a coach, he has already indicated as much and has been talking with GA about it as well.

Posted by: midlevex | April 28, 2009 6:05 PM "

Sorry.

It's hard to teach an old dog new tricks especially if he doesn't want to learn, and Gilby at 28, with 3 knee surgeries, isn't suddenly going to be a Chris Paul/Steve Nash level playmaker nor a Devin Harris level defender.

Gilby is getting his max money to put the ball in the hole. What is his incentive to do anything other than that when a dumb franchise is willing to pay him to be a one dimensional non leader?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | April 28, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I think we have to hope that Arenas' incentive to change his game a little will be the most basic of all -- winning. He's already got his money. He's made his All-Star team. Outside of periodic duels with LeBron, why play the game?

To win a title, of course.

You and I both probably think that's a pipe dream. But Arenas may not. He may see longtime ne'er do wells like Denver crashing the party and think, we could do that...

Well, enough speculation. We'll get to see for ourselves, soon enough. I'd just like to see the guy stay healthy.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 28, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

It's hard to teach an old dog new tricks especially if he doesn't want to learn, and Gilby at 28, with 3 knee surgeries, isn't suddenly going to be a Chris Paul/Steve Nash level playmaker nor a Devin Harris level defender.
-DC_MAN88

He had the surgery on his knee not a lobotomy. 28 even in basketball is not old dog territory and certainly around the age that some players mature and elevate their game to the next level.
As for your usual dismal analysis about incentives and motivation I suspect you don't have a clue whats going on in Arenas' head. I hope it's not as mundane as you presume.
Anyway next season, the players involved, it's is all open to speculation, there are far too many variables, a coaching change, the new knee, the lottery, to predict with any certainty the Wiz's fortunes next season.

Posted by: midlevex | April 28, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Rip Hamilton would play about as well with Gilbert Arenas as he does with Allen Iverson. Which is to say, not well.

Hamilton needs the ball coming off those screens, and if the PG is looking for his own shot, it ruins Rip's game. Gil may look to pass more next season, but Rip needs a PG like Jason Kidd to thrive.

The only players from the Pistons that would be nice additions are the ones Detroit would never part with - namely, Tayshaun Prince and Jason Maxiell.

Posted by: satchmore | April 28, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

In general I think we should stay pat with some minor tweaks...


The 2 main things that need to be accomplished this offseason:

1. Someone who can REBOUND!

2. A legit NBA starting SG.


As far as #1 our best bet IMO is the draft. Bigs who can defend & board are hard to come by, and no one is going to give them away. Blake Griffin would be a perfect addition to this team. If we don't get him... I'd still be interested in looking at Jordan Hill and possibly Thabeet. Hill is a Chris Wilcox type, but a little more skilled and more active on the boards.

As for the SG... well I want Larry Hughes. I'd be interested on others (Redd, Hamilton, Crawford), but ever since we let Hughes walk then dealt Kwame for Caron I have wondered what could have been if we had made that Caron deal and kept Hughes making our "big 3" a big 4 ... or just a really good "team".

We supposedly tried to reaquire Hughes 2 seperate times this past season. I don't see why NY wouldn't be willing to trade him. If we could get Hughes AND deal Etan and Mike James in the process that would be ideal, killing 2 birds with one stone. The contracts pretty much cancel each other out and expire at the same time. We could include a couple "prospects" with Pesh, Veremeenko, and our 2nd round pick to sweeten the deal for NY.

Young and Stevenson would make a solid offense/defense rotation off the bench behind Hughes.


My ideal roster for 09-10

Haywood, Jamison, Butler, Hughes, Arenas

McGee, Griffin, Songaila, Blatche, McGuire, Young, Stevenson, Crittenton

Posted by: Darnell1 | April 28, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Quick question:
What's our position of greatest need?
PG- Arenas, Critt, James
SG-Stevenson, Young
SF-Butler, McGuire
PF-Jamison, Blatche, Songaila, Pecherov
C-Haywood, McGee, Thomas

Posted by: emmet1 | April 28, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

It will be interesting to see what changes Grunfeld pursues in this offseason. How do you make decisions about a team's future when you haven't seen the full incarnation of your team in ages? How do you assess a 19-win team that essentially lost its best player two years ago? And how do you eradicate the loser culture that has developed (profoundly) this season? (The last question may be more a question for Saunders, but changing personnel can play a factor).

On the one hand, I can see Grunfeld making big changes, and even moving some of the younger players out, especially if he can get value for them. McGee and Young are great young talents, but probably over two years away from being consistent contributors. Blatche is talented but inconsistent, though maybe Saunders can take him to the next level. Getting value for younger players is another issue.

More likely, the Wizards will hold pat, dropping one or two players, picking up a free agent, trading their first round pick for cash, and praying. And praying some more.

Posted by: satchmore | April 28, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

If the Pistons do trade Rip, which I doubt, I dont the Wizards would be interested. The poster who said it earlier hit it dead on, as Rip and Flip have no love lost between them. I live in Detroit and follow the Pistons closely, and it was pretty apparent that Flip's biggest headache was Rip, not Rasheed Wallace. Rasheed was very local and flamboyant about things, but Rip never listened to what Flip said, and cussed him out numerous times during the games. Rip never respected Flip from day 1 because he wasnt Larry Brown.

After this terrible season he went through, maybe Rip realizes Flip aint too bad. Hopefully it made him mature a lot more. Rip's blatant disregard for whatever Flip did during his tenure in Detroit makes another pairing questionable.

Posted by: Roman5 | April 28, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

"Dude. It's not an argument."

Really? Funny, that's not what you said here:

"Granted, I'm stretching the argument every which way to create a situation where we'd have arenas and hamilton. So, suspending the fact that hamilton doesn't seem to like saunders, if arenas matured and was more of a distributor, would you enjoy watching an arenas/hamilton team?

Posted by: crs-one | April 28, 2009 4:16 PM

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 5:00 PM

Fine. Correction. It was an argument, but I wasn't ARGUING with you; that is to say, I wasn't saying you were wrong. I wasn't saying we SHOULD have hamilton.

All I was trying to do was entertain the idea of having four all stars mesh together in the starting 5. I thought it would be fun to think about. Fantasy basketball.

Lighten up.

Posted by: crs-one | April 28, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

"He had the surgery on his knee not a lobotomy. 28 even in basketball is not old dog territory and certainly around the age that some players mature and elevate their game to the next level.
As for your usual dismal analysis about incentives and motivation I suspect you don't have a clue whats going on in Arenas' head. I hope it's not as mundane as you presume.
Anyway next season, the players involved, it's is all open to speculation, there are far too many variables, a coaching change, the new knee, the lottery, to predict with any certainty the Wiz's fortunes next season.

Posted by: midlevex | April 28, 2009 8:43 PM "

Pay attention.

Gilby didn't just have "surgery on his knee."

He had 3 surgeries on his knee.

If you're implying that those surgeries didn't have much affect on him because he's only 28, then I guess you've been sleeping the past two seasons.

Nobody needs to try to guess what is in Gilby's head. Gilby's actions and words speak for themselves.

He's said many times that he's not the leader on this team, and when Flip recently put that on him, he refused it again.

Wait until Flip tells him to play some D and/or stop jacking up 3's without passing the ball.

There may be hope though, especially since someone on this blog thinks Flip can do to Gilby what Phil did to Kobe and MJ. Who would have thought Les BouleS picked up a diamond in the rough with Flip though, while not having to pay Phil Jackson money.

NOT!

It'll be fun...or funny...to say the least.

BTW, don't give me credit for my "dismal analysis," which BTW has been spot on.

Give Les BouleS credit for these past few seasons of putrid play and management, capped off by a lottery bound season despite have 2 healthy all stars.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | April 28, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

"I think we have to hope that Arenas' incentive to change his game a little will be the most basic of all -- winning. He's already got his money. He's made his All-Star team. Outside of periodic duels with LeBron, why play the game?

To win a title, of course.

You and I both probably think that's a pipe dream. But Arenas may not. He may see longtime ne'er do wells like Denver crashing the party and think, we could do that...

Well, enough speculation. We'll get to see for ourselves, soon enough. I'd just like to see the guy stay healthy.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 28, 2009 8:30 PM "

Many players have come through the league and wanted to win a championship, but failed.

Many better than Gilby, and also many not as good as Gilby.

Unfortunately, winning one requires great management, team dedication, great coaching, health, deep pockets, one or two superstars, and a lot of luck.

Les BouleS have none of that.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | April 28, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Bullets suck!

Posted by: jwing14 | April 28, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

"Fine. Correction. It was an argument, but I wasn't ARGUING with you. . . "

And I never said you were. So what's your point, exactly?

"Lighten up."

Take your own advice. I'm not the one getting all pissy, arguing over whether or not I was arguing. That's all you, buddy.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

"That doesn't sound like the opinion of someone who "certainly didn't respect him as a coach or a leader" (Kalo's words), unless in Detroit calling someone a "genius" is some sort of dis?"

Yeah, because telling a reporter how much he didn't like playing for the guy after running him out of town, while the Pistons are mired in their worst season in almost a decade in the wake of his departure certainly would have been to Rip's advantage, right?

Like I said, if you followed the Pistons coverage every day of every season for the last several years, you'd know how they felt about him. You didn't so you don't. That simple really.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

"If Arenas isn't a playmaker, then I don't know who is. "

That much is obvious.

"I'll say it again. With Arenas running the offense, we had no problems."

Say it as many times as you like, it won't make it true. Aside from all the one-on-one play from Arenas, Butler, and Jamison that resulted in most of the team's offense, the defining characteristic of the motion offense that Jordan sometimes ran is that it didn't actually require a playmaking PG, which is one of the reasons why he ran it.

Arenas is not and has never been a playmaking PG, something that he himself admitted when talked regarding his role under Saunders. He said he needed to become more of a distributor because the offense under Jordan didn't really require him to be one, and he expected Saunders to help him with that. Your argument is so out of whack that even the guy you're "defending" doesn't sign off on it.

"Jeffries wasn't passable offensively, but he was passable as a starting SG b/c of his offensive rebounding & his length on the perimeter defensively."

And how was Arenas responsible for that? Oh, he wasn't? Then what, exactly, was the point of bringing it up in a discussion in which your entire argument is about Arenas making people better as a playmaker?

"Any guy that can make DeShawn Stevenson & Jared Jeffries look like passable options at SG and make Larry Hughes look like an all-star is pretty damn good at what he does."

Posted by: Dat2U | April 28, 2009 5:03 PM

Just to refresh your memory.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

"Like I said, if you followed the Pistons coverage every day of every season for the last several years, you'd know how they felt about him. You didn't so you don't. That simple really."

Actually, I take that back. You didn't have to follow the local coverage every day, because it was pretty well and widely reported in the national NBA coverage.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

" the defining characteristic of the motion offense that Jordan sometimes ran is that it didn't actually require a playmaking PG, which is one of the reasons why he ran it.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 10:42 PM "

So what did EJ do here differently, when he sometimes ran it, compared to what he did in NJ with JKidd?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | April 28, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

"Fine. Correction. It was an argument, but I wasn't ARGUING with you. . . "

And I never said you were. So what's your point, exactly?

"Lighten up."

Take your own advice. I'm not the one getting all pissy, arguing over whether or not I was arguing. That's all you, buddy.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 28, 2009 10:23 PM

My point, buddy, is that contradicting everything i was saying was unnecessary. I wasn't disagreeing with anything you said. I was saying "what if" and you were treating everything like I was trying to disprove everything you said.

I was interested to see what you thought of a situation where Arenas played a distributor role and hamilton got along with saunders and they were paired up on next year's team. Forgive me for thinking you had interesting things to say. You're the one who kept on saying that all dies on the vine and stuff that I did not dispute. I was being hypothetical and you were ripping it apart. Totally unnecessary and offensive, and yes I got pissy...you seem to bring that out in people, even when they're not actually disagreeing with you.

Posted by: crs-one | April 28, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

"I was interested to see what you thought of a situation where Arenas played a distributor role and hamilton got along with saunders and they were paired up on next year's team."

And I made it quite clear what I think: That that Arenas isn't a distributor, that Hamilton and Flip don't get along, that Arenas and Hamilton are a bad fit. I said all of that more than once, most of it before you even asked about it (in response to other people's posts). So there was no justification for you getting all defensive and pissy about my not answering your question when, in fact, I answered most of your question before you even asked it.

Again, take you own advice: Lighten up.

Or don't. All the same to me, really.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 29, 2009 1:02 AM | Report abuse

AJ and AB and anything other than the #1 for Bosh. Then hope you can sign him to a max deal after 2010 with the money saved from expiring contracts.

Posted by: paulfmcgrath | April 29, 2009 1:06 AM | Report abuse

"The only players from the Pistons that would be nice additions are the ones Detroit would never part with - namely, Tayshaun Prince and Jason Maxiell."

Posted by: satchmore | April 28, 2009 8:49 PM

Actually, I could see Detroit parting with both of them if the right offer came along, but I don't think the Wiz have anything they want. They've already got enough cap space to make major deals in the FA market, but that's a risky strategy because there's never a guarantee they can get the guys FAs they want. They can't afford to pin all of their hopes on free agency. If they're going to deal productive players who are guaranteed assets, they'll be looking for something more than empty cap space in return.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 29, 2009 1:12 AM | Report abuse

46% is not bad, but how do the other 54% of you not take the 3rd choice??? I'm willing to listen to arguments. But it just seems to be sooooo totally obvious that the most important move this off season will be dumping Etan Thomas and Mike James. Everything else will take care of itself.

Posted by: Barno1 | April 29, 2009 2:41 AM | Report abuse

thanks a lot Segastyle!!!

Posted by: Goelez | April 29, 2009 6:15 AM | Report abuse

dcman: "especially since someone on this blog thinks Flip can do to Gilby what Phil did to Kobe and MJ"

Who said Flip would be the driving force? Gilbert would have to be.

Is Gilbert Arenas capable of change? Within limits, sure.

You, on the other hand....

Posted by: Samson151 | April 29, 2009 6:56 AM | Report abuse

"AJ and AB and anything other than the #1 for Bosh. Then hope you can sign him to a max deal after 2010 with the money saved from expiring contracts.Posted by: paulfmcgrath"

What happened to Bosh this season, anyway? All I read in the media are the usual dark hints of discord with management. He was quite effective in the Olympics.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 29, 2009 7:24 AM | Report abuse

It's obvious to any serious Wizards fan what players the Wiz need to release. I don't want to waste time talking about Mike James, Pech, and Etan.

The bigger question is "How do they integrate Nick Young, JaVale McGee and Andray Blatche into the regular rotation?"

Ed Tapscott didn't have a clue regarding player minutes and player substitution. Butler and Jamison played way too many minutes for a team that was headed nowhere. Flip Saunders will get more production out of the 2009-2010 Wizards, whether they get Blake Griffin, or DON'T get Blake Griffin.

Contrary to the beliefs of many posters, who feel that we need to acquire a shooting guard, I believe that Nick Young will become an adequate 2-guard in this league. He has the size, the jump shot, and he can take his man off the dribble. He's goofy. But, goofiness doesn't show up on the stat sheet. Gilbert was [is?] goofy and it didn't limit him from lighting up opponents most nights.

Bottom line: if the Wizards don't get the first pick, trade the pick for a veteran big man. And whatever we do, don't make a trade for injury-prone Larry Hughes.

Posted by: musicmanjr | April 29, 2009 7:26 AM | Report abuse

And I made it quite clear what I think: That that Arenas isn't a distributor, that Hamilton and Flip don't get along, that Arenas and Hamilton are a bad fit. I said all of that more than once, most of it before you even asked about it (in response to other people's posts).

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I read those posts. That's why I changed those two factors. I realized it was suspending reality, but I didn't realize that you found fantasy so unacceptable. I thought some imagination would be interesting.

And I didn't get pissy because you didn't care to answer the quesion. I was annoyed because you thought snark was a good response to something innocuous.

Posted by: crs-one | April 29, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Running an offense? Gil can run an offense. Why in the hell would pre-injury Gil pass the ball to Jeffries, Etan, Jarvis, Ruffin, Brendan before last season? Blatche wasn't a factor. Back then, they would run a play for Brendan or Etan in the post and I would cringe. Jeffries missed so many layups and was no outside threat at all, so much so that he makes DeShawn look like an all-star. Even McGuire has a better perimeter shot than Jeffries. Who else was on the team back then that you wanted to be a part of the offense? Oh that's right, let's pass it to Kwame! Face it, Gil ran a 3-man offense called the Big 3. You can also say that, on the offensive end, they were playing 3 on 5.

Now, lets see how he runs an offense when you have people who can hit open shots or finish in the post. Brendan has improved tremendously, from where he was at. Blatch can finish. McGee can be set up for dunks. Songaila, can score from the elbow and has craftiness at the 4 position. McGuire has his role. Shooting wide open jumpers next to Gil, 50/50 should be back at the 2 position. Nick replaces Jarvis which is an improvement offensively cause Jarvis had no defense with him either.

This team will not rely on the Big 3 as much and will be more efficient offensively.

Talk to me!

Posted by: G-Man11 | April 29, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

46% is not bad, but how do the other 54% of you not take the 3rd choice???

Posted by: Barno1
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Because it is an "easy" decision, not a tough decision. The tough part is on execution.

Posted by: sagaliba | April 29, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

G-Man11,

I feel that a "catch-and-shoot" style 3 point shooter would be able to help Wizards. Both Nick Young and Butler are "dribble and shoot" guys. They like to "create their own shot" rather than let the ball fly once they receive the pass. However, to really take advantage of penetration and dish, you need the latter guys. Otherwise, the defense would have time to adjust when you start to dribble the ball again.

Posted by: sagaliba | April 29, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

sagaliba

50/50 is the catch and shoot. He may not be the overall shooter, but there is a reason he was hitting near 50% next to Gil, and with Caron and Jamison

Posted by: G-Man11 | April 29, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

The only players from the Pistons that would be nice additions are the ones Detroit would never part with - namely, Tayshaun Prince and Jason Maxiell.

Posted by: satchmore | April 28, 2009 8:49 PM


And Antonio-- don't forget about McNice! Why can't we just cut Etan and MJ, sign two good FAs, pay them what they want, pay the luxury tax, and get try to win a playoff series for cryin' out loud?!

Posted by: prescrunk | April 29, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

ha yes this will be happening in the fairy tale land where money means nothing

Posted by: bford1kb | April 29, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Samson151 said:
"I'm an admirer of Rubio, but it's hard for me to believe a team is going to pass on a 7'3" shotblocker for a European point guard. The Wiz might be one of the few teams that could logically argue they need Rubio more than Thabeet."
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OK, I am a newbie here from B'more. Love reading these posts. There are always some great, creative ideas being kicked around. Need to preface my initial post that I might not be in the same NBA-IQ league as the rest of you.

I'm of the mindset that the Zards should be looking 2 seasons from now as their new window. They're in cap jail now; suck it up for one more season. But that's not what I'm here to discuss ...

I would take any of the top 3 prospects in this draft and keep them. I think they could all potentially be fairly important pieces in a couple of years. For those of you ready to argue that we need to win "now", how is that possible in light of our cap situation -- and considering the fact that when previously healthy, we were 1-and-done in the playoffs. The East is much improved, too.

My main thought here is to elicit comments about the possibility that we take Rubio and move GA to the 2. I realize the fact that a backcourt pair of 6'4" guards might not be ideal defensively. But aren't Flip's defensive schemes more zone-oriented? Are there other negatives that I'm not seeing?

I'm ready for the beat down! ;-)

Posted by: Bellman | April 29, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"If you're implying that those surgeries didn't have much affect on him because he's only 28, then I guess you've been sleeping the past two seasons.

Nobody needs to try to guess what is in Gilby's head. Gilby's actions and words speak for themselves." -DC Man

What is obvious is that anything regarding Arenas is warped by your negative spin regarding Arenas as well as nearly everything else about the Wiz.

That's your opinion I'm merely suggesting that it is clouded by an unreasonable bias and tiresome after awhile.

Your implication that, "It's hard to teach an old dog new tricks especially if he doesn't want to learn, and Gilby at 28, with 3 knee surgeries, isn't suddenly going to be a Chris Paul/Steve Nash level playmaker nor a Devin Harris level defender," is a typically peculiar conflation of events, in this case a knee injury, age and and your diagnosis of a players psychology, that leads you to your inevitable point, that Arenas is poison.

I'm thinking there may in fact be an old dog that can't learn new tricks here but it's not Arenas.

Posted by: midlevex | April 29, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I believe that da 'zards should move MJ and ET and land Dice and Posey, eat the money for ET and MJ and move on to the season and see how it plays. Dice could sign for a minimum deal and Posey can get btween 4 or 5 mill and everything would b straight.

Posted by: fromeka | April 29, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Oh, so according to kalo_rama, the press coverage that claimed Rip hated Saunders in believable, whereas any press coverage saying anything different is not believable. Dude, that is called CHERRY PICKING, and your condescending, smarmy attitude makes it even more obnoxious. You obviously think you have it all figured out, but you're just some armchair blowhard like the rest of us (no matter how you make your $$), so climb down off that short pony, stud.

Posted by: Plix | April 29, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"What is obvious is that anything regarding Arenas is warped by your negative spin regarding Arenas as well as nearly everything else about the Wiz.

That's your opinion I'm merely suggesting that it is clouded by an unreasonable bias and tiresome after awhile.

Your implication that, "It's hard to teach an old dog new tricks especially if he doesn't want to learn, and Gilby at 28, with 3 knee surgeries, isn't suddenly going to be a Chris Paul/Steve Nash level playmaker nor a Devin Harris level defender," is a typically peculiar conflation of events, in this case a knee injury, age and and your diagnosis of a players psychology, that leads you to your inevitable point, that Arenas is poison.

I'm thinking there may in fact be an old dog that can't learn new tricks here but it's not Arenas.

Posted by: midlevex | April 29, 2009 1:20 PM "

Nothing worth saying to you with regard to this topic except to suggest that you look back at these past 2 seasons of Gilby's career and chew on that.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | April 29, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

"Who said Flip would be the driving force? Gilbert would have to be.

Is Gilbert Arenas capable of change? Within limits, sure.

You, on the other hand....

Posted by: Samson151 | April 29, 2009 6:56 AM "

You said it...and you tried to parallel it, albeit weakly, to the Phil situation with Kobe and MJ.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | April 29, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I really don't think the Wizards have a chance to do anything anytime soon however with Rubio they might be able to build around him. I don't know how Blake will do again he reminds me so much of Carlos Boozer when he was at Duke EXCEPT a lot more dominant but again COLLEGE is a lot different than PRO so SCARY .. If Blake is anywhere close to Boozer at the pros then whoever lands him will be great also for people who think Rubio is Pistol not a chance atleast not anytime soon

Posted by: svafai2000 | April 29, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

"Nothing worth saying to you with regard to this topic except to suggest that you look back at these past 2 seasons of Gilby's career and chew on that." -DC Man

I look back and see two years of knee operations and questionable prognostications and decisions regarding rehab. I'm still not clear whose responsibility that was given the Wiz's history.
Other than that fiasco it's really open to interpretation. You've got yours, mine is still formulating. Next season is the nutcracker.

Posted by: midlevex | April 29, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Caron is absolutely the most complete player on our roster. in no way do we need to trade him. antwaan is our most consistent player and i hate to trade him but if we made any BIG changes, he would be the one who should get traded because he hurts the team on the defensive side of the ball (other than rebounding) he is a good post scorer but we have guys that can score.when gil comes back we will probably have one of the highest scoring teams in the league. but if we dont do something about aj we will allow the most points as well. if we get the number 1 pic, antwaan is fine. griffin should start and provide good post defense with haywood and let aj come off the bench for a good scoring punch.

if no number one pic we can still get thabeet. the center position is where we fell apart this season. no inside defense. thabeet is the ideal answer for that. he wont be a great scorer inside, but neither is haywood. thabeet is a strong defender in the post and will be a mutumbo type shot blocker. how many 7'3 guys have you ever seen that can run the floor like thabeet? none probably.. drop pesh,etan,james, and any pic under #2 in some kind of package. or even individually... who cares, just get them outa here. blatche has been really showing improvement offensively with his ability to handle the ball and shoot and defensivly as well. i think playing the 5 this year really helped him out. wouldnt want to let him get away while he is on the rise. nick young is way too explosive to let him get away as well. we have all seen him grow defensively this year and his offensive ability speaks for itself. but he is coming off the bench and playing with two guys who all the plays are made for. not to mention he was a ROOKIE last year. what did you expect in his second year, a miracle? let the guys develope that youi see promise in. i dont know about everyone else but im tired of the wizards getting rid of guys that are still developing and them turning out to be great players who kill us later on. (ben wallace, rasheed wallace, rip hamilton, roger mason)

the real question here is who do we bring in via trade? i heard alot of backlash about the t-mac suggestion but that would be a good pic up. good defender and a good offensive guy that the rockets dont seemingly need. the bird man from denver would be a good pic up as well. then there is carmelo which would probably require antwaan, a first rounder and some more on top of that. his teammate, j.r. smith who has been killing teams this year. chris bosh who is coming to the end of his contract. lakers have 3 big guys (gasol, bynum, odom) who could be a good fit.

Posted by: maggicman11 | April 29, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

If they draft Blake Griffen then they should trade Jamison (aged 33), James, and Etan for Amare Stoudemire.

That would put us here:

1: Arenas, Crittendon
2: Stevenson, Young
3: Butler, McGuire
4: Griffen, Songalia, Blatche, Pech
5: Stoudemire, Haywood, McGee

Next, trade the second round draft pick along with Pech, and possibly throw in Stevenson and maybe either Crittendon or even Young to get 2 players: a top Shooting/Point Guard to play along Gil, and then another very good Shooting/Point guard who can handle a lot of minutes should Gil get sidelined again due to his knee.

This would give Gil some more help in the back court, and it would give the Wiz some insurance in case Gil's injury keeps him out again or restricts his number of games. Maybe they could get an Andre Miller, Kirk Hinrich, Nate Robinson, Earl Watson, Mike Conley, etc.

That would put us here:

1 and 2: Arenas along with: either Andre Miller, or Hinrich, or Robinson, or Watson, or Conley, + another decent guard, (and still possibly keep Young &/or Crittendon)
3: Butler, McGuire
4: Griffen, Songalia, Blatche,
5: Stoudemire, Haywood, McGee

This group would be a Championship contender. There's a lot of guards looking to move around, so some team might be willing to take Stevenson along with Young or Crittendon, Pech, and a second round pick just to get something in return.

Posted by: Independent11 | April 29, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

I like the bright future for wizards.Non of this years draft picks are important to the owner's intention to win as early as possible.Involving the big three in any trade is a rebuilding process. Getting a postman power forward instade of jamison is a proto type basket ball,but it has a high chance to fail since it is changing the style of the game.It is not the time to part with the big three.The 14 million slarry cup is not far it is going to be evident around the mid season trade, washington will have a big chance for improvment.I think they need to slow down in landing an expenssive player before they see how the team is going to play.Blache is given enough opportunity for improvment in both on and off court activity, i would not mind if heis traded.Sangalia is expenssive,no body will take him, he is not a rebounder but he is goingtobe the 9 player for wiz in the new coach system. We do not need a dribbler other than young, the team need to relay on ball movment other than 5 diffrent shoot creaters. This action will make us the 2009 clipers. rip Hamilton is a perfect fit with Arenas and butler, his defense is not bad, washington will have the chance to gamble on the future Butler's contract or could consider to trade jamison for a better power forward.
The 7.3 center who is projected as a 3rd pick is not a dude to pass, he will have an excellent market value. I still need to be convinced why the spanish point gard is a better fit in washington than Harden. Harden will be a better basketball than nick young, he is an excellent shooter,knows how to stay infront of his man, but might not have the trade value of the above two players.
Getting a veteran off contract player with out touching the big three like posey or Ariza,isalso a smart move since the ET and mike will go some where before the trade day expire.

Posted by: gtefferra | April 30, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

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