Poll: How Many Wins?

Now that Coach Flip Saunders is finally signed, sealed and almost delivered (news conference tomorrow), how do you think the team will do next season? Presumably the Wizards will win a few more games than last year. If you disagree, however, please comment below.

By Alexa Steele |  April 22, 2009; 12:15 PM ET
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42-40. 5th or 6th seed. Probably lose in first round. Unless they somehow land #1 pick (but with no Kwame available, that seems a remote possibility) or trade pick for a solid veteran. Then knock it up to 47 wins, 3rd seed, and 2nd round loss.

Posted by: creativefunk | April 22, 2009 12:28 PM

40-50 seems to be a solid number but if they can sneak a few more in we will be sitting pretty at 50-54 wins and I think its not entirely unreasonable.

if we get the #1 pick or not we are going to get a few more solid players in here to make a run. Griffin or Amare, ill take either one and you know they both equate to instant production

keep the faith or find the cavs blog!

http://www.wizardsextreme.com

Posted by: WizardsExtreme | April 22, 2009 12:49 PM

I am down for >50.

If healthy, book it.

Posted by: UltimateFootballNetwork | April 22, 2009 1:30 PM

Unfair question because we don't know yet how bad the Ernie's moves will be this summer. Right now Arenas is holding this franchise hostage,Ernie's fault, so its hard to predict.

Posted by: dandyhuffman | April 22, 2009 1:33 PM

If they land B. Griffin, and the big 3 + Haywood stay healthy, then 50+ is possible. Otherwise depends on pick/trade. If we have serviceable center/point guard if Haywood/Arenas go down then 40+ still possible. Otherwise we're looking at being a lottery team again.

Posted by: WantUnbiasedNews | April 22, 2009 1:55 PM

Best-case scenario - if everyone's healthy (big if), and if they luck out and get BG or even trade that pick for an established big vet (Stoudemire? Bosh? Chandler?), I could see them having an '08 Celtics-like turnaround. 50+ wins really isn't out of the question, if everything breaks just so.

Posted by: nittanybruin | April 22, 2009 2:10 PM

If we can finally get the injury bug off our back and stay healthy, get a good draft pick or trade, and the youngsters come through, I see no reason why we can't win at least 50 games. This team has shown what they can do when healthy.

Posted by: skyerocket1969 | April 22, 2009 2:19 PM

We don't know what the team will look like yet. This is like all those people who were trying to fill out their NCAA brackets in February.

Posted by: MaxnDC | April 22, 2009 2:20 PM

When healthy the Wizards will compete with the Hawks for the 4th best team in the East. I expect the Magic and Cavs to be there next season. Boston will be a year older, maybe we can pass them. Worst case scenario #6 seed with 44 wins, best case #3 seed with 52 wins.

Posted by: dominic10464 | April 22, 2009 2:27 PM

They'll win 45-50 with or without Gil. As much as AJ and Butler played, they checked out right after Eddie left. I think with an established coach, they (plus a few others) will show up. And they'll definitely get past the 1st round cause The Lebrons will be a 1 seed and won't put us out til the 2nd rnd.

Posted by: CBell29 | April 22, 2009 2:30 PM

between 48 and 52 wins. The wiz will be top 3 in the east, but because of the depth of the east, nobody will run away with the 1st seed.

Posted by: G-Man11 | April 22, 2009 2:49 PM

It really doesn't matter how many games the team wins, per se. It only matters how many games they win in relation to how many games the other East teams win. In the last few years out West, it wasn't unheard of for teams to win 45+ games and miss the playoffs. The East is rapidly improving and the Wiz are going to have to step it up if they want to keep pace.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 22, 2009 3:09 PM

Lets see,

Cavs
Celtics
Magic
Hawks
Bulls
Sixers
Miami

odd out
Detroit
Charlotte

You guys really think we will crack that 7. Please Wiz at best is a 7 or 8 seed. I dont care who the coach is. Griffin will complicate things cause what you going to do with Antwan, back to the 3. Then who sits??

Dillusional. Dillusional. Dillusional.

But I will root from HOME!!

Posted by: kevenjones | April 22, 2009 3:27 PM

A little soon for this, I think. We really have no idea about the final roster. Let's at least wait until we know what draft pick will fall to the Wizards.

That said, it is fairly certain that they will be in position to win more than 40 games in 2009-10.

Posted by: khrabb | April 22, 2009 3:37 PM

41-41. I can't argue with Flip's record of wins and losses but he hasn't shown that he can assemble his own defensive unit that wins games. Unless Randy Wittman is a defensive guru, they're gonna have problems playing defense unless they hire somebody who knows how to motivate a young, lazy squad to play some D.

Also, until the Wizards realize that Jamison and Butler play basically the same position, they are gonna have a starting five that is a defensive liability. Jamison is a tweener who can't run with the 3's and is too small for the 4's, so he's always getting his hide handed to him on the defensive end. His grit and #'s compensate somewhat for the fact that he has no post-up moves and only scores 3's and garbage points. The tandem of Butler and Jamison don't have the Pippen/Jordan skill set, so one of them needs to come off the bench or get traded for a big post-up scorer and rebounder on that front line---cuz Haywood aint it.

If Blake Griffin is gone, do they take Thabeet, S. Curry, Rubio with the 2nd pick?

Posted by: mojoct | April 22, 2009 3:43 PM

There is no KG coming. They will win 40-45 games IF Haywood is healthy. Not even so much Gil. So having said that, the team is at most a 7 or 8 seed all things considered.

I'm of the belief that even if Haywood and Gill were healthy all year long the team would have finished 7th/8th. So Blake Griffin and Saunders moves them inside 5th???

Posted by: kevenjones | April 22, 2009 3:49 PM

A win is a win is a win....no more no less. If they win 40 or 50 games then that is already a HUGE improvement whether that will carry them to the playoffs or not. Again this team has a lot of issues that any progess will be a big relief for the team

Posted by: Dave381 | April 22, 2009 3:49 PM

He had better win, because Eddie Jordan won despite injuries poor starts and any other built in excuse a coach could use. I don't want to hear no 41-41 bull s#it either he had better win forty five plus first year in or he's a bust plain and to the point!!!.

Posted by: dargregmag | April 22, 2009 4:00 PM

"I can't argue with Flip's record of wins and losses but he hasn't shown that he can assemble his own defensive unit that wins games."

Not true. He won 45 or more games 6 times (including four 50-or-more win seasons) with the T-Wolves in a very tough, competitive conference/division. One of the main things that turned the team around was his installing a matchup zone defensive scheme.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 22, 2009 4:07 PM

"IF" they stay healthy anything less than 45-50 wins will be disappointment and Flip will be a FLOP.

Posted by: VBFan | April 22, 2009 4:26 PM

So it seems like Rubio is coming out after all -- I think that definitely improves the draft class. Assuming the team that drafts him can get him stateside, that is.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 22, 2009 4:27 PM

Dominic, your right on...somewhere between 45 and 52 wins depending on the draft pick and relative health. A 4 seed is very possible. Yeah, the East has improved slightly, but the Hawks, Heat, Sixers, and Bulls don't scare me in the least. Plus, Boston is aging rapidly. They had the type of season that was possible last year except they got that one championship season out of this core. Lucky for them bc it ain't happening again. Their window is closed

So, that leaves Cleveland and Orlando as the only two teams that I would say we can't pass in the standings next season.

Mojoct, Jamison has no post up moves and only scores 3's? What? Are you talking about the same Jamison? I agree about the defensive tweener, but most of his points are scored on his quick release flip shots around the basket and, yes, his rather clever post moves. In fact, I would rather him have his back to the basket with the ball than say CB. And Jamison's 3 pt shooting is streaky at best.

Posted by: rphilli721 | April 22, 2009 4:31 PM

In fact I'm predicting an 83 win regular season.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 22, 2009 5:00 PM

I don't see much, if any, chance of the Wiz drafting Rubio. He's reportedly got a $6 mill buyout and the team can only contribute up to (I believe) a half mil. If Rubio wanted to play in the NBA this year, it would essentially cost him his entire year one paycheck (assuming he's a top 3 pick) and maybe more (depending on how the scale is set. The Wiz (A) aren't in any particular need of a PG and (B) aren't in a situation where they can afford to wait a year or two for production out of a top 3 pick, whatever the reason.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 22, 2009 5:13 PM

Rubio is going to have to work out his buyout all by himself as the NBA limits what a team can put up for a buyout clause. The Spanish press is reporting that he's already negotiating buyout terms with his team. It shouldn't be too hard to reach an agreement considering that he's due to make 150,000 euros next year and if he pays his buyout over a few years, he's still making a lot more money and his team still turns a tidy profit. Nor should it be real hard to find a bank (at last in Spain) to front him that kind of money. Also keep in mind that he's been playing in that team's system since he was a little kid so he's close to family. They want him to succeed as well as make a profit so things will get worked out. It's certainly good news for the Wizards as there are a number of teams (especially NY) so sweet on him that they might be willing to spend a year with Etan and/or James as well as give up a player and a pick. Hello Larry Hughes?

Posted by: mugsybol | April 22, 2009 5:31 PM

I can't see his Euro team being too compliant when it comes to buyout terms. It's not just about his salary. He's apparently a big deal over there and losing him hurts the team's appeal and its chances of winning. It's certainly possible they could come to an agreement that would let him play in the States next season. But it's at least equally possible that they won't. Given their circumstances, I don't see that as being a 50/50 gamble the Wiz would be willing to take.

On a different note: Larry Hughes is done.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 22, 2009 6:02 PM

A pretty good Saunders article/interview:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4088586

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 22, 2009 6:28 PM

Is Larry Hughes Mom here???
Why would we want him again?
Our medical staff is already overworked.

Posted by: VBFan | April 22, 2009 6:31 PM

Second on Larry being done.

I believe the team's strongest need right now is a backup point guard. Critt will improve, but next year it's basically Gilbert or bust. Time will tell, but a quality backup point like AD provided in the past is what will take this team from 7 seed to a real contender. Maybe that is Rubio.

Posted by: jon_quest | April 22, 2009 6:44 PM

Lets see,

Cavs
Celtics
Magic
Hawks
Bulls
Sixers
Miami

odd out
Detroit
Charlotte

You guys really think we will crack that 7. Please Wiz at best is a 7 or 8 seed. I dont care who the coach is. Griffin will complicate things cause what you going to do with Antwan, back to the 3. Then who sits??

Dillusional. Dillusional. Dillusional.

But I will root from HOME!!

Posted by: kevenjones | April 22, 2009 3:27 PM

---------------

Delusional.

Can easily top the bulls. Their best asset is Derrick Rose, who is not yet as good as Gilbert Arenas. Should he surpass Gilbert next year, the wizards are better at every position but shooting guard.

Heat are good, but still lacking depth in their starting 5.

Celtics lost three games to the Wizards last year with Haywood and without Arenas. you can't attribute to Roger Mason (although I love Roger). Haywood seemed to be the game changer there.

Sixers?

I think next season we'll be fighting for seeding, not for a playoff spot.

Posted by: crs-one | April 22, 2009 7:07 PM

Right at 50 wins and no question 4th seed or better in the playoffs. Orlando, Boston, and Cleveland are the only Teams I would project ahead of the Wizards in wins next year.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | April 22, 2009 9:33 PM

I am down for >50.

If healthy, book it.

Posted by: UltimateFootballNetwork | April 22, 2009 1:30 PM

Finally someone with a little common sense on this blog. If healthy, this team is second to no one in the Eastern conference. And the bet here is they will finally be healthy next year.

Posted by: Barno1 | April 22, 2009 9:55 PM

Kalo,

I agree also, Larry Hughes is done.

Good article on Flip. I am encouraged by comments made in that article.

Especially, him saying that you donot control players, but you put them in positon to win.

Thats just what I said two blogs back in describing what good coaches do.

I said before, that Flip wasn't my choice, but I would be pulling for him to succeed though.

After reading that article Kalo_rama, I am even more convinced that Flip Saunders will do quite well with this Team.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | April 22, 2009 10:18 PM

The Wizards will be 52-30 4th in the eastern conference. With Flip on board, a High Darft pick, and if they stay healthy.... Oh not to mention Good coaching(Coach Jordan was not the solution to begin with) ......54-56 wins is not out of the question.......There is way too much talent!!!! Why the heck has the media and others argued that defense is sooo important....(The Wiz create turnovers and steals and blocked shots).... This team does not want to play defense but it can out score you when healthy. Might we say Phoenix Suns of the east???? Etan Thomas must go. Mike James and Juan Dixon should be traded Stvenson, Arenas, Crittendon, Nick young = solid rotation in the back court. Front court is way set........you may even Trade for a vertan here......If the Wizards are lucky and Get Griffin this would allow you to trade for future first round pick or Veteran. Blache or Mcgiure??? Must keep Haywood, Mcgee, Songila, Twan, Butler. So if I were running the show your Wizards would look like this......Arenas, Stevenson, Jamison, Butler and Haywood. Starting five. Bench Blatche, 1st round draft pic, Songalia, Young, Crittendon, Mcgee. With the last spots how about some depth at guard.....

Posted by: sjbrjm22315 | April 22, 2009 10:49 PM

sjbrjm:

Sounds great, but there's this little problem with guaranteed contracts for THOMAS, PECHEROV, JAMES. In fact DIXON is the only relief in this area.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 22, 2009 11:11 PM

From 19 wins to 50+ in one season?

Don't think so. Will they be better? Sure. But don't get crazy.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 23, 2009 12:25 AM

Glawrence007,

Assuming we only utilize Dixons slot next year, we have to put three of our garanteeed contracts on inactive slots, 13,14, and 15.

My three is ET, DS, and MJ. I'm keeping Pech active.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | April 23, 2009 12:30 AM

Please, the Buzzards will at best fight for the 8th seed and will be a sacrificial
lamb for the Cavs!!!They can have Coach Moses and they still won't be any good. DC is cursed, look at the Caps,Skins,and the Buzzards!!!Good luck Coach Flippie;You will need it by all-star break.I hope you enjoyed your year off with your family. Get a case of Peto-Bismol, beause brother you will need it....mark my words!!

Posted by: joe12341 | April 23, 2009 3:29 AM

Joe12341 & DCMan_88, let me guess, yawl are brothers, or twins, or, or,....oh yeah,

Yawl just don't know. So sad.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | April 23, 2009 9:58 AM

"The Wiz (A) aren't in any particular need of a PG" - Kalorama

You're correct. People tend to forget that we have Mike James as our starting PG. Oh yeah, Agent Zero will be playing 82 games next season and be back 100%. The team needs a LOT and that includes a reliable PG IF GA's knees is not in tip top shape.

Posted by: Dave381 | April 23, 2009 10:12 AM

A PG we donont need. It seems that its been decided that GA will play point. If thats the case then JC is backup.

In my scenario we might consider a point, because I would have JC start at point with GA at the two aleiving him of the responsibility of being the point and our #1 weapon also.

I think the Team is best if Gilbert only is responsible for beating Teams from the two along with Crit handling the responsibilities of the point.

Under this scenario, we might need to look at adding a point guard, or grooming DM or CB to handle some point play.

If the intent however is to have Gil control the point, then adding a point guard is not needed.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | April 23, 2009 10:58 AM

"The team needs a LOT and that includes a reliable PG IF GA's knees is not in tip top shape. "

(A) A 19 year old rookie isn't necessarily reliable (B) If Arenas isn't in top shape, it's not going to much matter who the PG is, unless the PG is Chauncey Billups, Tony Parker, Chris Paul, or Deron Williams (C) If Arenas' is in top shape, then using a top 3 pick on a guy who'll be his backup for the next 5 years when they have so many other holes to fill is a waste of a pick.

Again, it's blindingly obvious that the Wizards, by default, are in "win now" mode. Unless he's the second coming of Isiah Thomas from day one, drafting Ricky Rubio doesn't really further that agenda.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 23, 2009 11:07 AM

"(A) A 19 year old rookie isn't necessarily reliable"

Considered by many expert to be the best in the draft outside Blake Griffin. Yes, I would say he's reliable (dependable).

"(B) If Arenas isn't in top shape, it's not going to much matter who the PG is, unless the PG is Chauncey Billups, Tony Parker, Chris Paul, or Deron Williams"

Wrong. It does matter if you don't want to repeat what happened in this season. He may not be those kind of players but he can surely help the team.

"drafting Ricky Rubio doesn't really further that agenda."

Okay, so aside from Blake who will help the team now in this draft. Thabeet?

Posted by: Dave381 | April 23, 2009 11:29 AM

"Considered by many expert to be the best in the draft outside Blake Griffin. Yes, I would say he's reliable (dependable). "

The one (being talented) has nothing to do with the other (being reliable). The NBA always has a sizable crop of talented players who can't be relied upon. It's esp. common among very young players. (There are also lots of reliable players who aren't that talented.)

Apples and oranges.

"He may not be those kind of players but he can surely help the team."

The issue isn't whether he can help the team. The issue is whether he can help the team fulfill its quite obvious goal, which is to win (or at least seriously compete) for a title in the very near-term. If he's playing major minutes because Arenas is permanently hobbled, then the answer to that question is (again, barring the unlikely possibility that he walks in the door playing All-Star level ball) most likely no. And if Arenas isn't hobbled, then using a top pick on a guy who plays the same position as the team's outrageously expensive star player while leaving the many other holes unfilled is a bad move (with regards to fulfilling their quite obvious goal).

"Okay, so aside from Blake who will help the team now in this draft."

No one. That's the point.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 23, 2009 11:54 AM

"The one (being talented) has nothing to do with the other (being reliable)."

I guess your crystal ball works in Europe as well.

"If he's playing major minutes because Arenas is permanently hobbled, then the answer to that question is (again, barring the unlikely possibility that he walks in the door playing All-Star level ball) most likely no."

Even if the team is lucky enough to pick Blake, an injured Arenas won't even get them far in the playoffs.

The point is, you mentioned the team doesn't need a PG in particular. I say they do, aside from a million things. Get my point.

Posted by: Dave381 | April 23, 2009 12:12 PM

"I guess your crystal ball works in Europe as well."

Don't need a crystal ball to see into the past. It's a concretely established historical fact that young players tend to be erratic and prone to ups and downs. That's not even something that can be argued against (by a reasonable person). On the flip side, predicting that one particular player (esp. one who, by the very fact of where he plays hasn't been seen a whole lot by most people in this country) will, without a doubt, be "reliable" and "dependable" despite a lack of any credible evidence to support that supposition would require a crystal ball that broadcasts in hi-def.

"Even if the team is lucky enough to pick Blake, an injured Arenas won't even get them far in the playoffs."

True. But if Arenas isn't injured, they need Blake much more than they need Rubio. And given their quite obvious agenda (and the fact that they've got a king's ransom invested in three veteran players) they really have no choice but to operate under the assumption that Arenas will be healthy. Which would make taking Rubio (for any reason other than to trade him) a questionable move.

"The point is, you mentioned the team doesn't need a PG in particular. I say they do, aside from a million things. Get my point."

You point has absolutely no validity, given the team's blindingly obvious goal of competing for a title in the short-term.

Using a top pick on a PG would either mean that (A) Arenas was done or (B) that Arenas is healthy but they failed to fill any of the many more vital holes in their roster. Either of those scenarios directly contradicts their obvious goal and actively impedes achieving it. Which is why, unless they plan on using him in a trade, there's little chance of them drafting Rubio.

Posted by: kalo_rama | April 23, 2009 12:30 PM

Lets see,

Cavs
Celtics
Magic
Hawks
Bulls
Sixers
Miami

odd out
Detroit
Charlotte

posted by kevin jones

umm lets see how last years top 8 went in the east

1 boston
2 detroit
3 orlando
4 cleveland
5 washington
6 toronto
7 philly
8 atlanta

a big difference 1 year can make now right?

i think the wizards are due for a 50 win season with a trip to the conference finals. Because the last lottery pick we had was traded for antawn jamison. Look for the wizards to do so again IF AND ONLY IF we dont get the number 1 overall (which i think we might)

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | April 23, 2009 2:29 PM

jasperhneyaolcom

Exactly, only Toronto and Washington are not there this year. And you are comparing a Washington Team that has made NO IMPROVEMENTS from TWO seasons ago. (Besides McGee)I think the team is the same exact team only older and injuried. Unlike the others in the playoffs.

Even if they were healthy this year they would have been an 8 seed.

Posted by: kevenjones | April 23, 2009 3:59 PM

"But if Arenas isn't injured, they need Blake much more than they need Rubio."

You don't need to be a scholar to know that.

"You point has absolutely no validity, given the team's blindingly obvious goal of competing for a title in the short-term."

And you believe this current roster will be able to win one. Yes, keep on dreaming.

Posted by: Dave381 | April 23, 2009 4:31 PM

Less than 20.

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | April 23, 2009 7:31 PM

A point guard is not needed. Also, Gilbert should not play point for all the reasons given for adding a point.

Javaris Crit should play point along with Gil at the two. This allows Gil to take over whenever required and Javaris grows and handles the point duties heavy requirements, freeing Gilbert up for the heavy lifting in other areas on the floor.

Point guard is not an issue for this Team. I think people are infatuated with Rubio. Rubio just might be an NBA ready player, but he is not needed on this Team.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | April 23, 2009 10:31 PM

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