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Jamison Has Surgery (UPDATED)

Washington Wizards forward Antawn Jamison had a bone spur removed from his right ankle at the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York on Thursday. He is expected to make a full recovery, according to the team.

Jamison played the first 81 games last season, averaging 22.2 points and 8.9 rebounds, but his pursuit of a sixth 82-game season came to end after he developed some discomfort in his right foot in the fourth quarter of the Wizards' loss to the Toronto Raptors on April 13.

Jamison, who turns 33 next month, originally injured himself during the Wizards' 109-101 win against the Cleveland Cavaliers on April 2 -- the only time this season that he was able to play with Gilbert Arenas, Brendan Haywood and Caron Butler. Despite missing the season finale, Jamison still finished fourth in the league in minutes played (3,095) behind Andre Iguodala, Joe Johnson and O.J. Mayo.

At the end of the season, Jamison said he hoped that he didn't need surgery but if it happened, it would be "just another bump in the road."

... Wizards communications director Scott Hall said that both Ernie Grunfeld and Flip Saunders plan on being in Secaucus, N.J., for the NBA draft lottery in two weeks. Hall said Saunders will likely sit on the stage to represent the team, with Grunfeld in the background. The Wizards have a 17.8 percent chance of winning the No. 1 overall pick and will select no lower than fifth.

Washington will also begin workouts for its second-round pick beginning next week. The Wizards will pick either 32nd or 33rd, depending on how the lottery shakes out.

By Michael Lee  |  May 8, 2009; 12:42 PM ET
 
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Blatche better be @ the gym. right now.

Posted by: prescrunk | May 8, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I know that's right!

Posted by: ivyleague | May 8, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Jamison played the first 81 games last season, but his pursuit of a sixth 82-game season came to end after he developed some discomfort in his right foot in the fourth quarter of the Wizards' loss to the Toronto Raptors on April 13.

I think it’s because ETaps didn't play him enough minutes and he got soft. Too bad ETaps isn’t the coach next year he could play AJ 48 minutes a game! Why does an old man need some rest when he has all summer to relax?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 8, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Tap is an idiot and I wish that he were gone from the Wiz org. Playing AJ the way he did could have contributed to the injury.

Love AJ, it's just that we drastically over-paid for him, and his contract is 1-year too-long.

Posted by: closg | May 8, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see last night's mugging at RIP OFF LOANS ARENA? LeTravel nearly took Josh Smith's head off and wasn't even called for a foul even the announcers for KJAS(King James Azzkissin Society)aka/ESPN took exception to the no call and of course when Smith protested he was promptly T'd up. I had to go on the air here in the A-T-L and defend the Wizards after one of the Hawks pre game shills took a swipe at the Wizards concerning last years Cleveland series I had to tell em that we won two games and that's more then the no show,make excuse,we're tired Hawks are gonna win!

Posted by: dargregmag | May 8, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

so glad tap overplayed him all year for those 19 sweet ones

Posted by: bford1kb | May 8, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Does this mean that Jamison will be out for the next 2 seasons to recover? Funny how signing new multi-million $$ contracts will do this to a player!

Posted by: JohnWWW | May 8, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I hope Jamison leave to another team. Give Blatche and McGuire on the floor. TRADE JAMISON!!!

Posted by: clifton3 | May 8, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Does this mean that Jamison will be out for the next 2 seasons to recover? Funny how signing new multi-million $$ contracts will do this to a player!

Posted by: JohnWWW | May 8, 2009 1:57 PM

why would it mean that? ur an idiot

Posted by: prescrunk | May 8, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

The good news is that the surgery took place in NY, far away from Wizards' docs.

Posted by: disgruntledfan | May 8, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Clifton3: Antawn Jamison has been the most consistent performer on this team over the last two years in the 07-08 season Jamison was one of three players in the NBA to average 20-10 he has been a model citizen on and off the court more so than the Serial Skirt chaser(Blatche) that you are calling for to replace him its obvious that you and a few other posters on this blog have a serious lack of basketball knowledge. Blatche has had numerous chances to get more PT but he is woefully inconsistent McGuire has improved tremendously and has overtaken Blatche in the work ethic department, but to critcize Jamison is way off and trying to find a replacement is going to harder than you or anyone else thinks.

Posted by: dargregmag | May 8, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

POP Quiz

What are 25,28 and 21?

The ages of the only 3 guys in the league who played more minutes than Jamison this past year. AJ will be 33 in June and plays a more physical position than all three.

We have to get him some rest in order to get a decent return on our investment. He's a warrior with the rebounding and all but he should be at about 28-30 mpg next year. I like the 6th man idea Don Nelson had a few years back.

Posted by: original_mark | May 8, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Just FYI:

In 2003-2004 when he was a 6th man off the bench for the Mavs, AJ avgd. 30 minutes per game and got 15 ppg with 6 rpg.

He also shot a fg% of .535 which is the highest BY FAR of his career. His 3 point fg% was 40% (also the highest of his career).

6 years later, 25-20 mpg would be about right.

Posted by: original_mark | May 8, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The reason Jamison came off the bench in Dallas was because the team had two other All-Star caliber players who played his position. They were loaded. The Wizards aren't. There's no other player on the Wiz roster who's good enough at the position to displace Jamison to the bench.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 8, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Please, there is no way Blatche could give the same consistent production given by Antawn. Blatche is not even conditioned well enought to log the minutes that AJ logged. Blatche won't even do what it takes to get to his maximum potential. He does just enought to get by. Everyone one on the team know that Blatche practices no more than he has two. When Gil was on Comcast and was asked was Blatche one of the guys in the gymn with him working out right after the season ended, he responded to the question with laughter. Until Blatche proves himself off the court with preparation, he will come off the bench. And I like the guy, he is just lazy.

Posted by: ivyleague | May 8, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

You mean Dirk and Antoine Walker? Dirk was listed at F but actually played C for that team, I believe.

True that we can't replicate his rebounding or offense in the starting lineup with anyone on our roster. OTOH, maybe someone could be a little better defensively and help us balance our lineup out more. The only possible candidates are AB and DM. If DM hangs out with Manny this summer and gains 20 lbs of muscle, he would be the answer.

Posted by: original_mark | May 8, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

original_mark |

Rite on!

Playing that many minutes wudda been ok if we'da won 50.
Who let this happen?
Tap couldn't of had authority to do it.
Maybe it's time for Abe to stay out of running the team.
Filling seats won't happen if all the stars are in street clothes and nursing injuries.
If we don't get Number 1 pick it will be the biggest waste of a season ever.
All we can do is hope for a healthy team next year.

Posted by: VBFan | May 8, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"You mean Dirk and Antoine Walker? Dirk was listed at F but actually played C for that team, I believe"

He played C and both forward positions. Point is, they had players as good or better than Jamison to plug into the starting line up, so that they didn't lose any real production bringing him off the bench. The Wiz don't have that luxury.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 8, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Well, we have AB, errr NY uuhhhh Javale.

uncle.

Posted by: original_mark | May 8, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Although I do believe that JM is a little closer to Sheed than he is to Camby and could eventually be a forward ..(IF DEVELOPED properly)

Big IF.

Either way, no one is ready now as you say. I shudder to think what our rebounding deficit would look like if AJ wasnt there.

Posted by: original_mark | May 8, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

In 2003-2004 when he was a 6th man off the bench for the Mavs, AJ avgd. 30 minutes per game and got 15 ppg with 6 rpg.

*******************

6 years later, 25-20 mpg would be about right.

Posted by: original_mark | May 8, 2009 2:51 PM

33 years of age or not, having one of your three best players play less than a half per game doesn't make any sense. 30-35 minutes per game would be more like it.

Posted by: rbpalmer | May 8, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"OTOH, maybe someone could be a little better defensively and help us balance our lineup out more. The only possible candidates are AB and DM."

One guy playing defense isn't going to make much difference if nobody else joins in. We say that last season with McGuire in the starting lineup. And since when is Blatche a big-time defender? Or even a small-time one?

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 8, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

While I agree that both Jamison and Butler played way too many minutes for a team that was clearly going nowhere after the first month of the season, Taps actually played each of them less than normal. This season was the second lowest in mpg for each since joining the Wiz. EJ always played them too much, too, but I wouldn't harp on Taps for doing anything worse.

As for Blatche, I do think he plays much better at the 4 position and as a starter, however I don't think you're going to get Jamison level production out of him just yet, and maybe never. They are also 2 completely different types of players. Blatche is a better defender and fast break finisher. Jamison is a better half court guy and shooter. Jamison is also probably a better rebounder, but that may be a result of minutes played.

All this hatred for Jamison, but nothing for Butler? He plays no better D, isn't as efficient on O, and hasn't played more than 67 games in a season for us except once. If you must trade one of our top three (and I'm not saying you do), Butler should be the guy.

Posted by: segastyle | May 8, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

We saw that last season with McGuire in the starting lineup.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 8, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

AJ's a good player, but not a guy going to lead a team to a championship because his D is very soft and he often disrupts the flow of the offense. Plus, he's an older big guy so his days are numbered. I wish him well with his recovery. I also wish Nutjob Gil did not strongarm the Wiz into resigning AJ, when the team could have signed a 23 year old beast like Josh Smith for the same amount of money.

Posted by: BulletsFan1 | May 8, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

A lot of Butler's problems stemmed from playing out of position at SG in order to accommodate McGuire in the starting lineup.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 8, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

The only way the Wiz would have had the money to sign Josh Smith would be if they let go of both Jamison and Arenas. In which case, why would Smith want to come here? To say nothing of the fact that he's not worth $12 mill/yr.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 8, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"OTOH, maybe someone could be a little better defensively and help us balance our lineup out more. The only possible candidates are AB and DM." - original_mark

In theory, I agree with your first sentence, however, what AB and DM lack in offense and consistency compared to Jamison outweighs what lacks in defense compared to them.

Plus defense in the NBA is a team game. Jamison, weak as a 1-on-1 defender, was solid this past year in disrupting passes and jumping the lane. A better solution, defensively, may be to improve our perimeter defense. More pressure on the guards and wing players could help prevent interior distribution to Jamison's man, and allowing Jamison to play to his defensive 'strength' of jumping the lane. It would also help keep Haywood out of foul trouble.

Arenas I think is physically capable of playing good perimeter defense. He just needs to set his mind to it. You convince him to put more effort on that side of the ball, and bring in a good defender at the 2, you'll see our defense improve drastically. More so than if you just swapped out Jamison for someone from the All-Defense team.

Posted by: segastyle | May 8, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

"A lot of Butler's problems stemmed from playing out of position at SG in order to accommodate McGuire in the starting lineup." - kal

True ,but even in previous seasons I think Jamison has proved to be a better player. Butler is no better at defending the 3 position than he is at the 2. Last season Butler had an above average year for himself, especially in outside shooting and assists. This year was back down closer to his norm. Plus, the fact that he's practically guaranteed to miss 15 or more games a season doesn't bode well for him as he gets older.

Regardless, I think both players bring close to the same level of production. My main issue is all the calls for Jamison to be traded, but nothing for Butler but praise. It's almost as if because he surprised people with how good he became, everyone thinks he's a lot better than he is.

I also think he brings more trade value because of the shorter term of his contract and his younger age. Also, his position is one I think we are currently more capable of filling within our current roster. Albeit, with a different type of player and production.

Posted by: segastyle | May 8, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

"True ,but even in previous seasons I think Jamison has proved to be a better player. Butler is no better at defending the 3 position than he is at the 2."

Yes he is. He's not great at it, but he's definitely better there than at SG. In any case, it would be the dictionary definition of cherry-picking to hold his defense against him when making a case that he's a worse player than Jamison. They're both poor defenders. Offensively, Butler is a lot more effective and efficient at the SF spot than SG and the move to SG this season hurt him.

"My main issue is all the calls for Jamison to be traded, but nothing for Butler but praise."

You must not have been around here much the last few weeks of the season.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 8, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

The difference is Jamison is soft relative to other players at his position, Caron is not. Even if they can't verbalize it, people know that if your team have more soft guys than the other team, you lose. That's why they want to trade Jamison ... he get's the numbers, but he plays soft at a position that demands physical play. If he was a shooting guard it wouldn't matter.

Posted by: uptownjive | May 8, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

jamison is a huge defensive liability at a position which demands physicality, something he does not possess. The only reason he doesn't play the 3 is because he would get blown by on every play. I would prefer a power forward that didn't jack up a bunch of contested long jumpers, one that doesn't need 18 shots a night so he can get his numbers. Power Forward is not a jack it up position but this is precisely what jamison is good at, he is a volume shooter not a good shooter. AJ is physically over matched at the four so he tries to outscore his man, while that's fine and dandy, no pf takes as many shots, he should outscore them. Any pf will own jamison in a matchup, it is simply a matter of whether they can throw it in the ocean or not.

Posted by: bford1kb | May 8, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

In the long run I'd agree with O-Mark's assesment of McGee, the guy seems to be a 4-5 tweener to me. In time I see him as a Varaejo type off of our bench as a valuable 6-8 guy.

Blatche has got to prove that he's earned starters minutes, and not be awarded them based on people's impression of his potential. The big change will be having a fresh start with a new coach with a proven track record. Blatche spent a lot of time playing out of position for Eddie Jordan. Did you ever hear Eddie compliment the guy for the effort?

Songaila and Blatche both have spent a lot of time playing out of position, if the Wiz get Griffin, it will prompt a trade, but it won't be Jamison. I'd hope that Grunfeld makes sure Flip has two real centers to work with, and one of them can't be Etan.

Can McGee be the #2 center next year? That's a question that's going to have to be answered. That's why I think if the Wiz are at #2 or 3, They'll go with Thabeet. Unless they're at the 2 and somebody makes a sweetheart offer to get Rubio.

Eventually Jamison will be that 6th man, I just don't think it will be next season.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | May 8, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: disgruntledfan | May 8, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I continue to be amazed by references to Andray Batche that imply he is a legitimate big man in the NBA and will contribute anything of value to the Waashington Wizards. He has some skills but is among the softest, least dedicated and flat out lazy so called Big Men I have seen since I started following the NBA in 1968. A 7 footer going down the lane to finger roll when he should dunk makes me sick. His Teammates need to light a fire under his sorry ass. Where is the leadership going to come from? Gilbert, finally? Flip? Antwan J.?
Somebody get into his face and convince him that he is an NBA Player in name only. Everything else about him screams LOSER!

Posted by: jshavatt | May 8, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

"You must not have been around here much the last few weeks of the season." - kal

Nope, was too busy watching the Caps, who have probably the best owner/management in DC sports.

"The difference is Jamison is soft relative to other players at his position, Caron is not." - uptownjive

Soft or not, Butler is not much better at defending the 3 than Jamison is at the 4. He continually gets beat laterally. But still my main point is simply that Jamison is as good, or better than Butler for the Wiz. I'd be open for a trade of either of them so long as what we brought in meshed well.

I just happen to think that between McGuire, Blatche, and sometimes Jamison, we can make up for the loss of Butler at the 3 more than we can make up for Jamison at the 4. But the draft may change that.

Regardless, our biggest hole, imo, is at shooting guard. We have plenty of depth there, but no one to give us consistent, strong play for 25+ minutes.

Posted by: segastyle | May 8, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

SEGA!
I agree. I usually have a lot of bad to say about jamison, b/c there's a lot to say. This attention to jamison,however, has allowed CB to fly a lil under my radar. But looking back i think i'd rather keep tawn and hope he can teach blake some of those under the arm scoop shots, than caron shooting ill timed jumpers and playing relatively no d.

Then this clown gets on the T.V. with all of 8 wins under his belt and says " OH yeah, and I'm and All-Star"
at least tawn was a lil humble bout that.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

did anybody else see that? caron must've been all hopped up on mountain dew and boat thinking any wizard deserved an all star nod.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

I don't know whether it makes much difference whether Blatche or McGee gets minutes -- isn't the problem that neither of them is ready for a full-time job?

Here's where Izman usually jumps in and insists that's Tapscott's fault because he didn't play them enough.

My argument would be that we don't have a viable starter at the PF position. Jamison does the best he can and really, has been very productive. He struggles on defense because 1) he's never been a good defender and 2) he's physically overmatched a good percent of the time. Still, with Haywood in the box, he seems to be adequate to the task. Put somebody else at center, however, and you see he's been swimming naked.

To sum up: we need help inside. And at shooting guard too, I imagine, although when Gilbert's healthy that's not as noticeable because he is a scorer.

Anybody notice the Arizona Diamondbacks fired Bob Melvin today just a year after he was named Manager of the Year? And replaced him with a former catcher who worked in the organization, but has never managed before at this level.

No, his name wasn't Tapscott...

Posted by: Samson151 | May 8, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

"caron must've been all hopped up on mountain dew and boat thinking any wizard deserved an all star nod.Posted by: lilhollywood1"

Or looking at the clause in his contract that provided for a bonus if he made the All-Star team...

Posted by: Samson151 | May 8, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

For more Soccer&NBA, please visit:

http://www.nowgoal.com/21.shtml

Posted by: nowgoal | May 8, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Everybody out there in BouleS blogland won't be hearing from Mike Lee any time soon since this is the weekend.

So, I'll pass along a link where you guys can read up on Ivan and his thoughts on local sports....to include the fact that he seems much more comfortable now speaking his mind about Gilby without being perceived as drinking the Gilby Kool-aid.

I said it last year before this past season that Gilby had better come strong and not have any more injury BS....then he proceeded to only play in 2 games....WTF?

Well, it's time to put up or shut up, and Ivan agrees that this coming season, Gilby better not have any more excuses. I certainly don't want to hear any more BS about not playing back to back games or skipping long road series.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2009/05/05/DI2009050502886.html

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 8, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

DC_MAN88

This is from your link...

Kensington, Md.: What do you like better about reporting on television as opposed to print? Dislike?

Ivan Carter: After 10 years as a beat reporter working at newspapers, I've found the tv biz to be refreshing. It's fun to work with a crew every day putting together an hour-long live show and then see what happens. I do miss the writing however. It was a huge part of my life. I do not miss the travel associated with NBA beat life and for the first time in my life, I actually have weekends off.

Ivan, I don't know if you still read this blog but Michael has weekends off?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 8, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

"Ivan, I don't know if you still read this blog but Michael has weekends off?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 8, 2009 11:20 PM "

In case you missed it, it's a slight running joke here on this blog that Mike Lee takes the weekends off b/c people have been complaining that there haven't been any updates on this blog during the weekend.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 8, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

All Jamison does is show up and play hard with good results. Seems like most of you want a team of malcontent bloggers. Oh you have one of them.

Posted by: charladan1 | May 9, 2009 1:21 AM | Report abuse

charladan1

For 10 Million a year I would expect the guy (AJ) to play a little defense. I don't work so I don't know what to tell you now, but back when I did, I wouldn't have gotten paid if I only did half of my job description?

I bet if one of the snack attendants at the Verizon Center (who makes $8.00 an hour) decided they were only going to serve hot dogs and not give you a beer at the same time, that person would be fired.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 9, 2009 2:17 AM | Report abuse

"For 10 Million a year I would expect the guy (AJ) to play a little defense. I don't work so I don't know what to tell you now, but back when I did, I wouldn't have gotten paid if I only did half of my job description?I bet if one of the snack attendants at the Verizon Center (who makes $8.00 an hour) decided they were only going to serve hot dogs and not give you a beer at the same time, that person would be fired.Posted by: bulletsfan78"

No offense, bulletsfan, but I think what you've really done is identified why 'snack attendant' is not that desirable a job.

And that part about not getting paid if you only did half your job description: didn't you ever hear the joke -- what's big and orange and sleeps six? A state highway truck.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 9, 2009 7:14 AM | Report abuse

About AJ's defensive deficiencies -- you can't begrudge him the millions and call yourself a free-market capitalist. His value was determined in the marketplace (if you prefer: 'the suckers'), negotiated with representation on both sides ('the bloodsuckers') and signed during daylight hours with the contract amounts in bold type. If that's what they thought he was worth, then I guess that's what he was worth.

And I'm willing to bet that nowhere in that contract is mention of any All-Defensive team awards.

A guy who most nights puts up 20 and 10 is obviously not a slacker, in NBA terms at least.

If it makes you feel better, think of it this way -- he's coming to the end of his career. Soon enough he'll be unemployable like everybody else.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 9, 2009 7:20 AM | Report abuse

I see Chuck Daly passed away at 78, pancreatic cancer. One of the greats. A quote:
"It's a players' league. They allow you to coach them or they don't," Daly once said. "Once they stop allowing you to coach, you're on your way out."

Posted by: Samson151 | May 9, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

"For 10 Million a year I would expect the guy (AJ) to play a little defense. I don't work so I don't know what to tell you now, but back when I did, I wouldn't have gotten paid if I only did half of my job description?

I bet if one of the snack attendants at the Verizon Center (who makes $8.00 an hour) decided they were only going to serve hot dogs and not give you a beer at the same time, that person would be fired.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 9, 2009 2:17 AM "

I agree, and the main issue is MeTawn's attitude of "all the young guys are slackers, but I'm not even if I don't even try pretend to play defense.." What a joke of a captain.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 9, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

"All Jamison does is show up and play hard with good results. Seems like most of you want a team of malcontent bloggers. Oh you have one of them.

Posted by: charladan1 | May 9, 2009 1:21 AM "

Good results meaning great stats, but not the stat that counts the most, namely in the "win" column?

Having greats stats on a lottery bound team that was the worst in the league even though the two "all stars" were healthy most of the season doesn't mean that much.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 9, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

"Good results meaning great stats, but not the stat that counts the most, namely in the "win" column?"

You hear this sort of things on sports radio (or what's left of it). If the team loses, isn't it the stars' fault? If the stars were doing their jobs, wouldn't the team be winning? If they get paid the most, shouldn't we hold them responsible for the outcome of the games? Especially if they have a meaningless honorific title like 'captain'?

It's illogical, of course, but then it's mostly argument from emotion. Folks are disappointed in the result and they need to blame somebody.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 9, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

"You hear this sort of things on sports radio (or what's left of it). If the team loses, isn't it the stars' fault? If the stars were doing their jobs, wouldn't the team be winning? If they get paid the most, shouldn't we hold them responsible for the outcome of the games? Especially if they have a meaningless honorific title like 'captain'?

It's illogical, of course, but then it's mostly argument from emotion. Folks are disappointed in the result and they need to blame somebody.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 9, 2009 9:48 AM "

It makes perfect sense actually.

Who else deserves the blame? G-Wiz? The mop boy? The cheerleaders?

The GM deserves some blame, the coaches deserve some blame, but ultimately, it's the players who have to perform, and they haven't.

The highest paid have the most responsibility, and being the worst (not mediocre) team in the league is should results in heads rolling, not weak excuses for the "all stars and superstars."

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 9, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Tap is an idiot and I wish that he were gone from the Wiz org. Playing AJ the way he did could have contributed to the injury.

Love AJ, it's just that we drastically over-paid for him, and his contract is 1-year too-long.

Posted by: closg | May 8, 2009 1:12 PM

I would bet a week's salary that your IQ is under 100.

Posted by: terpsfan09 | May 9, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Tap is an idiot and I wish that he were gone from the Wiz org. Playing AJ the way he did could have contributed to the injury.

Love AJ, it's just that we drastically over-paid for him, and his contract is 1-year too-long.

Posted by: closg | May 8, 2009 1:12 PM

I would bet a week's salary that your IQ is under 100.

Posted by: terpsfan09 | May 9, 2009 12:05 PM
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And you are a spineless coward who's IQ is questionable. Notice that "terpsfan09" can't Defend Tap on the facts, so he instead attacks me. Pathetic!...and I would bet that I make more than you do on a weekly basis.

Posted by: closg | May 9, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

dcman: "Who else deserves the blame? G-Wiz? The mop boy? The cheerleaders?"

The blame? Why do you feel the need to single someone out to take the lion's share of the blame? And why Jamison in particular? There were no fewer than four other people on the court whenever he was playing. And what about the rest of the roster, the coaches, the FO, the ownership?

The mop boy and the cheerleaders we can safely exclude.

dcman: "The GM deserves some blame, the coaches deserve some blame, but ultimately, it's the players who have to perform, and they haven't."

By 'perform', I assume you mean 'win.' Because they did in fact perform, up to the terms of their contracts, and often quite admirably -- Jamison showed up, didn't fake injuries, endured the whole stinking season which I suspect was more humiliating for him than most (salary or no).

dcman: "The highest paid have the most responsibility, and being the worst (not mediocre) team in the league is should results in heads rolling, not weak excuses for the "all stars and superstars."

This is, I think, the false premise that underlies the argument. The highest-paid player (or for that matter, the best player, if they're not the same thing) is not disproportionately responsible for the won-loss record based on his salary. He's still just one guy in a team sport with no direct control over the other players or the coaches or the FO. He doesn't control the decisions about rookie playing time or substitution patterns or indeed, who's on the roster with him. Salary aside, he's still just one guy. He can impact his sport more than, say, a typical football star, but that's about it.

It's in the minds of the fans that he becomes more responsible based on the size of his contract. And that's IMO illogical.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 9, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

and I would bet that I make more than you do on a weekly basis.

Posted by: closg | May 9, 2009 12:36 PM

This statement automatically makes you a loser. And unless you make 6 figures, you're not close.

Posted by: terpsfan09 | May 9, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

The players clearly should shoulder the lion's share of the blame because they are paid to do a job and they didn't. Many times during the season, even the players themselves admitted that they didn't bring it.

MeTawn deserves a lot of the blame because he's the "all star, captain, and big money player" on the team and on the court last season.

During the economic collapse, did congress have the entire corporate board or board of directors or managing directors or VPs for these financial institutions go to the hill to answer questions? No, it was the CEO.

Why not blame MeTawn when he always blames the young guys for not being prepared and helping the team lose? MeTawn needs to be clued in to the fact that he's being paid the money he's getting to mentor and lead the youth, not blame them.

As I've said, MeTawn will get his stats win or lose, except for the most important stat, and that's the one on the win column. He did not lead, he did not play defense, and he just had his stats. Even in a losing team, somebody's got to score, and he was that somebody.

Again, MeTawn is the leader and in any organization or company, the highest paid individuals are responsible for the direction and success, and in an NBA team, that means wins.

MeTawn wouldn't be blamed here if he at least made Les BouleS respectable, but in fact, Les BouleS were the WORST team in the league with two healthy all stars.

Not just a mediocre team or a team that just missed the playoffs...THE WORST!!!!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 9, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Neither of the captains, Antawn nor Caron, did a good job leading the team. Antawn is not a strong leader (Caron is more of a natural leader), but calling out his teammates in the media was done intentionally in order to get better performance out of the young players. It's been done before ... but AJ was not able to pull it off this time. It was a faulty tactic at leadership, not a character flaw on AJ's part.

Posted by: uptownjive | May 9, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

"And unless you make 6 figures, you're not close.Posted by: terpsfan0"

Six figures? Depends on where you put the decimal point.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 9, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Tawn had a great year individually, and for the most part carried the team.
That being said, for whatever reason, he doesn't make the players around him any better. The nickname metawn fits perfectly b/c on offense w/o gil he's all about his offense(at least that's how it looked to me. That coulda been mostly a coaching thing, but it seemed to me that young guys like nick though that tawn was selfish with the ball and his criticisms were more for tawns offensive benefit i.e. more shots .

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

I just don't think tawn plays the all around game, and the guys don't see him as their best player so they don't just naturally listen to him, like the cavs do lebron .

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

wow! yao out for the rest of the playoffs w/broken foot

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

"Tawn had a great year individually, and for the most part carried the team.
That being said, for whatever reason, he doesn't make the players around him any better. The nickname metawn fits perfectly b/c on offense w/o gil he's all about his offense(at least that's how it looked to me. That coulda been mostly a coaching thing, but it seemed to me that young guys like nick though that tawn was selfish with the ball and his criticisms were more for tawns offensive benefit i.e. more shots .

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 8:53 PM "

Yes, MeTawn did carry Les BouleS this past season.

He carried them into the lottery as the worst team in the league.

MeTawn adopted Gilby's game this past season. How many times did we see him, a guy slotted in the 4 position, stand outside the arch and fire 3's? Many.

How many times did we see him get beat off the dribble for a basket? Many.

How many times did we hear MeTawn take the blame and promise to get better on D and get his teammates involved? None.

EG blew it when he matched ET's offer which included that poison pill trade clause.

EG blew it when he gave Gilby max money even though no other team could come close to it.

EG blew it when he gave AB his 14 mil even though his value dropped after getting arrested and had no offers from other teams.

EG blew it when he signed MeShawn for his 14 mil even though no other team was interested and last season, MeShawn benched himself after 2 consecutive seasons of bad shooting and now, a back problem that could end his career.

EG blew it by giving MeTawn 4 more years for 50 mil.

EG blew it when he drafted OPech who season after season, continues to be only a Loch Ness Monster gymrat. You hear about it, but you never see any proof in the pudding.

EG blew it by taking the charity that Gilby gave, but instead of resigning Roger, he gave it to some mystery guy by the name of Dee Brown who's no longer on the team.

EG continues to blow, but the only thing that he really made a positive decision on these past couple of seasons was to override EJ's insistence to get rid of BTH and kept him instead.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 9, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

"wow! yao out for the rest of the playoffs w/broken foot

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 9:20 PM "

Is this the same foot he broke last season before the playoffs but healed in time for the olympics?

He's done.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 9, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

LBJ is bout to make these atl cats cry. they look like they have conceded the series,once lebron gets going those dudes get this powerless look on their faces. i wish we had a guy like that.

DC_MAN, I wasn't trying to give AJ too much but he did play well. i personally didn't like his game but he was our most consistent threat. wheather it was because he was on heist mode or not isn't that important when evaluating the overall on-court production.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Talk about how divergent their careers have gone since that ill fated whisper in Gilby's ear on the free throw line.

Gilby, of course, has gone on to have 3 surgeries on his knee and has been out 2 seasons.

LeBron though, has become the MVP of the league and has also made first team all defensive team. There's a high probability that he will win a ring this season.

To top it all off, Lebron openly dissed Les BouleS during a recent interview.

If anyone's looking for Gilby or MeShawn, look for a large rock b/c they're probably hiding under it.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 9, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

"DC_MAN, I wasn't trying to give AJ too much but he did play well. i personally didn't like his game but he was our most consistent threat. wheather it was because he was on heist mode or not isn't that important when evaluating the overall on-court production.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 9, 2009 10:33 PM "

LOL!

Calling MeTawn a "threat" is like calling a Somali pirate a nuclear capable superpower.

I hear you tho...

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 9, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

"EG blew it when he drafted OPech who season after season, continues to be only a Loch Ness Monster gymrat. You hear about it, but you never see any proof in the pudding.EG blew it by taking the charity that Gilby gave, but instead of resigning Roger, he gave it to some mystery guy by the name of Dee Brown who's no longer on the team.EG continues to blow, but the only thing that he really made a positive decision on these past couple of seasons was to override EJ's insistence to get rid of BTH and kept him instead.
Posted by: DC_MAN88"

What silliness. All that venom, and for what? You'd think Grunfeld was Patient Zero for the swine flu.

Some folks have lost all sense of proportion. Guess that's why they call it fanaticism, huh?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 9, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

"What silliness. All that venom, and for what? You'd think Grunfeld was Patient Zero for the swine flu.

Some folks have lost all sense of proportion. Guess that's why they call it fanaticism, huh?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 9, 2009 10:53 PM "

You call it venom.

I call it reporting the facts.

Keep up with your nonsense.

You've yet to disprove anything.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 9, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

"You've yet to disprove anything.
Posted by: DC_MAN88"

There's nothing to be disproved.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2009 3:10 AM | Report abuse

dcman: "You've yet to disprove anything.

There's nothing to disprove.

The problem's in the way you present info.

Let's just say it's not exactly 'fair and balanced.'


Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2009 3:31 AM | Report abuse

For instance, this example of measured reasoning:
"Not just a mediocre team or a team that just missed the playoffs...THE WORST!!!!
Posted by: DC_MAN88""

But of course, the Kings finished with two fewer victories, and the Clippers with the same number. So how were the Wizards worse than those two clubs?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2009 7:51 AM | Report abuse

"But of course, the Kings finished with two fewer victories, and the Clippers with the same number. So how were the Wizards worse than those two clubs?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2009 7:51 AM "

Because Les BouleS had two healthy all stars on the team while those two teams had garbage....they were expected to lose.

To even be in the running for last place clearly makes Les BouleS the worst, especially since those two teams play in the much tougher Western Conference!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 10, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

"There's nothing to be disproved.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2009 3:10 AM "

If you can find a positive spin out of these EG bumbles below, then you're not just drinking the Kool-Aid, you're straight snorting the powder.

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Yes, MeTawn did carry Les BouleS this past season.

He carried them into the lottery as the worst team in the league.

MeTawn adopted Gilby's game this past season. How many times did we see him, a guy slotted in the 4 position, stand outside the arch and fire 3's? Many.

How many times did we see him get beat off the dribble for a basket? Many.

How many times did we hear MeTawn take the blame and promise to get better on D and get his teammates involved? None.

EG blew it when he matched ET's offer which included that poison pill trade clause.

EG blew it when he gave Gilby max money even though no other team could come close to it.

EG blew it when he gave AB his 14 mil even though his value dropped after getting arrested and had no offers from other teams.

EG blew it when he signed MeShawn for his 14 mil even though no other team was interested and last season, MeShawn benched himself after 2 consecutive seasons of bad shooting and now, a back problem that could end his career.

EG blew it by giving MeTawn 4 more years for 50 mil.

EG blew it when he drafted OPech who season after season, continues to be only a Loch Ness Monster gymrat. You hear about it, but you never see any proof in the pudding.

EG blew it by taking the charity that Gilby gave, but instead of resigning Roger, he gave it to some mystery guy by the name of Dee Brown who's no longer on the team.

EG continues to blow, but the only thing that he really made a positive decision on these past couple of seasons was to override EJ's insistence to get rid of BTH and kept him instead.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 10, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

dcman: "Because Les BouleS had two healthy all stars on the team while those two teams had garbage....they were expected to lose.
To even be in the running for last place clearly makes Les BouleS the worst, especially since those two teams play in the much tougher Western Conference!
Posted by: DC_MAN88"

Oh, I see -- you're saying they were the worst team that happened to have two healthy All-Stars.

Couple problems with that:
1) Only one -- Butler -- was on the All-Star team.
2) He wasn't healthy. In fact, that's why he didn't play in that All-Star game (Ray Allen replaced him). And went on to miss 20 of the team's final 35 games -- quite possibly a major factor in that final loss total.

And Jamison, we now discover, was hiding an injury himself -- hoping he wouldn't have to have surgery (which ultimately he did).

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Oops, my mistake -- I was looking at 2008. looks like neither Butler nor Jamison made the '09 All-Star team! So I guess you were referring to former All-Stars.

They were the only team to two former All-Stars to finish with only 19 victories.

Except -- wait a minute -- they weren't. Weren't Baron Davis and Marcus Camby of the Clips both former All-Stars?

Correct me if I'm wrong here. Camby played in 62 games, started 55. I'd call that moderately healthy. Davis played in 65, started 60.

I suppose we could quibble over relative health, but it depends on how you want to spin it...

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

When exactly is the lottery??

Man I hope we get Griffin!! What about that 2nd rounder? DeJuan Summers is a guy with upside who may be around there. I do also actually like Vasquez as a 2nd rounder, but he hasn't hired an agent and I hope he goes back to school.

Mike what's the update on Stevenson?? He missed alot of the season and was ineffective when he did play due to his back. Is he getting back surgery?? Is he going to just tough it out so the same thing happens again next season? Will he wait to have surgery at the start of the season so we can't play him and we can't trade him?? What's the deal??

Also what's up with Etan? Didn't he have a torn knee ligament? Is he having surgery?? Is he hoping his torn ligament will heal with rest? Will he also just stay injured so we can't play him or trade him??

Jamison had bone spurs removed... what about these guys who were out most of the season!!

What is Javalle doing this offseason? Are the Wizards gonna send him to a big man's camp?

Posted by: Darnell1 | May 10, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

So I suppose if we qualify it along the lines of:

'The Wizards were the WORST team (at least, had the worst recrod) with two (moderately healthy) (former) All-Stars who also happened to play in the Eastern Conference...'

then you could say it was true.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"Except -- wait a minute -- they weren't. Weren't Baron Davis and Marcus Camby of the Clips both former All-Stars?

Correct me if I'm wrong here. Camby played in 62 games, started 55. I'd call that moderately healthy. Davis played in 65, started 60.

I suppose we could quibble over relative health, but it depends on how you want to spin it...

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2009 10:28 AM "

You can continue to spin your weak arguments, but the facts are the facts, which make you wrong.

Both Camby AND Baron Davis were first year players for the Clips in a totally new system. Those are the facts.

In sharp contrast, both Caron, who played in 67 games while starting 66, and MeTawn, who started 81 games had the benefit of playing together for 4 seasons including the last one. Nobody expected the debacle of a season that Les BouleS had.

You can continue to beat the dead horse, but the bottom line is that you're wrong nomatter how you spin it. Whether MeTawn was injured or not, he never played any defense ever in his career, and his mouth wasn't injured when he continued to blast the young guys while exhibiting no leadership nor responsibility for the team's debacle.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 10, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

dcman" :Both Camby AND Baron Davis were first year players for the Clips in a totally new system...You can continue to beat the dead horse, but the bottom line is that you're wrong nomatter how you spin it. Whether MeTawn was injured or not, he never played any defense ever in his career, and his mouth wasn't injured when he continued to blast the young guys while exhibiting no leadership nor responsibility for the team's debacle."

Now the Clips were awful because Davis and Camby were only in their first year with the team -- forgetting they're 9 year and 12 year NBA vets, respectively.

Wonder if you'd be so understanding if their names were Arenas, Jamison or Butler...

And this MeTawn stuff, I find that hopelessly sophomoric. You can't prove that Jamison is a selfish player, so you make a funny of his name.

Sophomoric? Freshmanic? Kindergarteric? One of those.

And the constant shouting, 'you're wrong! you're wrong' -- jeez, what is this, the Sean Hannity Show?

Jamison's a limited player, not a selfish one. No matter how you punch and pummel the numbers, he bears no disproportionate degree of responsibility for the Wiz' miserable won-loss record, based on the size of his contract.

Or on being 'team captain' -- these guys have guaranteed contracts. The coaching staff ain't volunteers or part-time history teachers.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"Now the Clips were awful because Davis and Camby were only in their first year with the team -- forgetting they're 9 year and 12 year NBA vets, respectively.

Wonder if you'd be so understanding if their names were Arenas, Jamison or Butler...

And this MeTawn stuff, I find that hopelessly sophomoric. You can't prove that Jamison is a selfish player, so you make a funny of his name.

Sophomoric? Freshmanic? Kindergarteric? One of those.

And the constant shouting, 'you're wrong! you're wrong' -- jeez, what is this, the Sean Hannity Show?

Jamison's a limited player, not a selfish one. No matter how you punch and pummel the numbers, he bears no disproportionate degree of responsibility for the Wiz' miserable won-loss record, based on the size of his contract.

Or on being 'team captain' -- these guys have guaranteed contracts. The coaching staff ain't volunteers or part-time history teachers.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2009 2:47 PM "

And what are Caron's and MeTawn's excuse for helping Les BouleS to be the worst team in the league?

If you don't like the "MeTawn" name, too bad. I couldn't care less how you would categorize your impression.

I'm sure every player in the league wish to be as limited as MeTawn to get a 4 year, 50 mil contract to help their franchise to be the worst team in the league.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 10, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

dcman: "If you don't like the "MeTawn" name, too bad. I couldn't care less how you would categorize your impression."

Characterize it? Hmmm, let's see -- cheesy? second-rate? unworthy? pejorative and prejudicial?

Unfunny?

It says more about its maker than about Antwan Jamison.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

'Scuse me -- Antawn.

When a player signs a big, new contract, he doesn't become taller, or stronger, more skilled, or even more motivated. He just gets richer.

Those riches are based largely on what he's done in the past, and what somebody in ownership thinks he might be able to do in the future. You can bet that decision went all the way to the Man.

So if signing Jamison, or Arenas, or whoever, was a mistake, you can reasonably argue that it's Abe Pollin's.

There ya go. You can blame Abe.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"Characterize it? Hmmm, let's see -- cheesy? second-rate? unworthy? pejorative and prejudicial?

Unfunny?

It says more about its maker than about Antwan Jamison.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2009 3:21 PM "

Open up your eyes.

I said "categorize."

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 10, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

"'Scuse me -- Antawn.

When a player signs a big, new contract, he doesn't become taller, or stronger, more skilled, or even more motivated. He just gets richer.

Those riches are based largely on what he's done in the past, and what somebody in ownership thinks he might be able to do in the future. You can bet that decision went all the way to the Man.

So if signing Jamison, or Arenas, or whoever, was a mistake, you can reasonably argue that it's Abe Pollin's.

There ya go. You can blame Abe.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2009 3:30 PM "

I've blamed Abe enough. Is Abe going to fire himself? Duh.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 10, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

There's an 82% chance that the Wizards will not get the No. 1 pick. If they don't get either No. 1 or No. 2, then what?

Posted by: PostSubscriber | May 10, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

dcman: "Duh."

I think somebody found himself a new word. Let's see if he uses it again, in a sentence.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"I think somebody found himself a new word. Let's see if he uses it again, in a sentence.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2009 4:30 PM "

That word describes you in a nutshell.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 10, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

dcman: "That word describes you in a nutshell."

I'm sure you'll come up with something dumber.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

"I'm sure you'll come up with something dumber.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 10, 2009 7:36 PM "

I don't think a word exists that would be dumb enough to describe you. Rest easy. You're safe.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | May 10, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Wiz front office is to blame for never finding a legit 4 so Jamision's minutes would be reduced and he could play some at the 3. He never complained last season when he was loggin 40+ minutes a night on a team that was going nowhere. The man earned his money even if the Wiz did pay him a little more than he's worth, but where do you expect them to find another 20-10 guy? I'm sure Philly was glad they paid even more to Elton Brand who has missed basically the last two seasons and is getting $15M a year.

Posted by: wizfan89 | May 11, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

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