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Roundtable: What Do the Wizards Do If They Pick 3rd?

If you guys thought the truthaboutit.net-fueled discussion over picking Ricky Rubio was robust, wait until you see what possibilities the third pick brings.

We advised our guest bloggers to have a little fun with the potential scenarios, so long as they're feasible, if not likely. Since we don't know how the draft lottery will pan out, which teams pick in front of the Wizards was in play too.

Wizards Extreme's crack at it brings some big names into the fray. Following Michael Lee's take, feel free to agree, disagree, share your own scenarios or drive the conversation off on a tangent.

The Wizards taking the third-best player on the board with the third overall pick? Way too easy ...

-- Keith McMillan

Wizards Extreme's take:
With Blake Griffin coming off the board at No. 1, W.E. were left to wonder not only who would go at the No. 2 spot, but who would be picking there as well.
First Pick: The L.A. Clippers take Blake Griffin
Second Pick: The Sacramento Kings take Hasheem Thabeet

Before we go into the Wizards' selection at No. 3, WE wanted to give our explanation for Thabeet over Rubio to the Kings. Our first assumption is that Eddie Jordan is the coach of the Sacramento Kings. Based on that assumption, our decision on Thabeet over Rubio was helped by two interviews from this past season.

First, Eddie Jordan had an interview on Comcast SportsNet where he stated that he never really got the defensive-minded big to help him, although he asked for it. While Thabeet is very much a work in progress, the old adage is you cannot teach height. The comparisons for Thabeet have been anywhere from Dikembe Mutombo to Samuel Dalembert to DeSagana Diop. Our belief is that he will be much closer to Mutumbo and a significant improvement over Spencer Hawes.

The second quote came from Gilbert Arenas's interview with Ivan Carter on Washington Post Live, where he talks about how in the Princeton offense there is no need for a "true" point guard. So if you are the Kings, why take a chance on a European PG for a system that does not require a true PG? Eddie Jordan as he has shown in his past relies heavily on veterans and our bet is that he will focus on the 7-foot-3 Thabeet to help a team defensively that gave up close to 109 points a game and thus rely on Kevin Martin and Andres Nocioni to provide the scoring punch.

After drafting Thabeet second, the Kings could then go after somebody like Ty Lawson or Eric Maynor with their second first-round pick. Thabeet plus Lawson or Maynor in one draft doesn't sound like a bad proposition to us.


How did I get into this? (Reuters Pictures)

So:

If the Wizards pick 3rd, they should: Draft Ricky Rubio. Then trade him.

Here is the blockbuster trade of the summer:
Wizards get: Amare Stoudemire
Suns get: Ricky Rubio, Andray Blatche, Mike James, Etan Thomas, and Chris Bosh
Raptors get: Suns' first-round pick in 2009 draft, Steve Nash

Here is the trade at RealGM trade tracker sans the draft picks.

The Wizards' Possible Reasoning: After losing out in the Blake Griffin sweepstakes, the best available option is to package the asset of the No. 3 pick and the expiring contracts of Mike James and Etan Thomas to get a proven NBA commodity.
Adding Amare to the lineup of Gil, Caron, and 'Twan would give the Wizards one of the most potent offenses in the Eastern Conference.

While we can talk all day about needing defense, WE believe that this team is constructed to put up points. If we were built with a bunch of Bruce Bowen- and Raja Bell-type players, then Avery Johnson should have been the coach.

But seeing as Flip Saunders -- offensive genius -- is the coach, you give him more ammunition. Adding Amare, if the Suns are willing as a trade partner is a no brainer.

The loss of Blatche is an easy one for Ernie Grunfeld to swallow as the best thing for Andray would be a fresh start and getting away from the rest of the Wiz kids. Best line for this -- addition by subtraction.

Why do it if you are Phoenix? You are getting a Euro super stud that is 17 years younger and compared to the current guard on your team who dreams of playing for the Raptors. You also get back a power forward in Chris Bosh, who essentially replaces the offensive output you lose by trading Amare. Blatche is taken as a project, James and Thomas are taken because you can absorb the cap space of their salaries. This also allows Phoenix to be a player in the 2010 sweepstakes.

Why do it if you are the Raptors? They get to bring in a point guard who might be in the twilight of his career, but will be helped by Jose Calderon to extend it further. Not to mention, how many people dream of playing for the Raptors? Frankly WE believe the Raptors are stuck in a bad situation being that they could stand to lose Bosh for nothing, so why not get Nash and a top-14 pick from the Suns to go along with your own top-10 pick in this draft?

For the Wizards, the decision ultimately comes down to the fact that this team is built to win now, not down the road. There is perhaps a three- to four-year window for this team to do something, as constructed.

Bringing in an 18-year-old kid to run the point, or a 7-3 center with potential but no offensive game just doesn't make sense for this team at this pick. Thabeet won't unseat Haywood. Rubio won't unseat Gilbert. And yes, our belief is that Gilbert is the point guard in this new system.

The reality is that the Wizards are very much in the same situation the Celtics were in with the fifth pick a few years earlier, Grunfeld and all of us Bullets fans will be hoping that these moves will have similar success.

Michael Lee's Take: Since I cannot fathom Blake Griffin or Ricky Rubio slipping out of the top two, I'd have to say that Hasheem Thabeet is the third-best prospect in this draft. He's a 7-foot-3 shot-blocking machine who led Connecticut to the Final Four as a junior. Problem is, he plays center and the Washington Wizards are set at that position with Brendan Haywood and JaVale McGee, who could be a monster if he commited himself to being a shotblocker and rebounder and stopped focusing on trying to score. But I digress.


I can do this for you Washington. (AP Photo/Jessica Hill)

Thabeet is a deterrent to the rim but he's not ready to take Haywood's spot. The native of Tanzania could develop into a dominant defender like Dikembe Mutombo or become a frustrating presence like Samuel Dalembert, but the Wizards cannot take him unless they intend to lose Haywood in free agency in 2010.

So, the Wizards will have to either look into the viability of selecting Arizona forward Jordan Hill or Arizona State guard James Harden at such a high pick - or consider moving it (which I've already said is a risky move). There always is a chance that a player can rise up the draft boards once teams start working out players (who saw Russell Westbrook going No. 4 this time last season?). So current draft positions are not set in stone.

There is a lot of chatter here and elsewhere about the Wizards trading their top five pick to acquire an established all-star veteran like Amare Stoudemire and/or Chris Bosh. That is not happening. The Wizards would have to surrender the pick and at least one of their three all-stars in any package for a player of that caliber (expiring contracts are not going to cut it). And that still might not be enough.

Right now, Toronto does not need to move Bosh and Phoenix does to need move Stoudemire. Next year's trade deadline is the most likely time that either player would get moved -- if they get moved. Yes, Toronto gave away Vince Carter for a quarter on a Benjamin Franklin and let Tracy McGrady walk, but Raptors President of Basketball Operations Bryan Colangelo was not around for those mistakes and he is not going to trade Bosh unless he can get an established, all-star player or several prospects in return.

The same goes for Phoenix General Manager Steve Kerr, who decided to hang on to Amare Stoudemire after dangling him last season. The Suns commitment to hiring Alvin Gentry and returning to former Coach Mike D'Antoni's wide-open offense is a signal that Phoenix wants to give it at least one more run with Stoudemire.

While it's good to dream big, let's deal with reality for a minute. The win-now Wizards will likely look to acquire a veteran starter or adding some depth if they trade the pick. Ernie Grunfeld pulled off a major coup when he acquired Caron Butler for Kwame Brown, but Butler was not an established star when he arrived. When Grunfeld used Devin Harris to get Antawn Jamison in 2004, Jamison had yet to reach the all-star team as well.

And, from what I hear, a lot of teams are looking to trade out of this draft. So, I don't see teams offering up young, all-star, Olympic-caliber big men for a pick in this draft, which doesn't have potential franchise-changer like Derrick Rose or Kevin Durant or Dwight Howard after the top one or two spots. If those type of players were available this year, then why would the Wizards even consider moving the pick?

Coming Thursday: Bullets Forever's take on the No. 4 pick.

By Keith McMillan  |  May 13, 2009; 11:04 AM ET
 | Tags: Amare Stoudamire, Blake Griffin, Chris Bosh, Hasheem Thabeet, Ricky Rubio, Steve Nash, draft lottery, draft pick, roundtable  
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no no no no no to Stoudemire.

Plusses: decent rebounder, shoots outside well, runs the floor

Minuses: NO defense, microfracture makes knees questionable beyond a few years


Sounds like a younger, more brittle Antawn.

You can't judge him based on his numbers in the D'Antoni system. Jamison would have averaged 25 or 26 in that system, too. Stoudemire is a 22, 9 guy who plays no defense. If we trade for a big, trade for a big who clogs the middle. Not necessarily advocating this deal but even Pryzbilla would be better for us than Stoudemire...(not for a top pick, though)

Posted by: original_mark | May 13, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Trading the pick is the right move. But Amare/Bosh is too high a target.

Tayshaun Prince is the correct target. You can send the pick, James/Thomas, and even deadweight like OPEC for Prince. This not only clears about $4-5M in salary this year, but adds a versatile defender who allows you to go big or small, has championship experience, and can actually hit jumpers if needed.

Detroit will do it because they get a top-3 pick, and they can absorb the James/Thomas contracts with no problem and they're gone after this year.

Posted by: rururubio | May 13, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

im all for it. but its just keeping amare after his contract ends.

Posted by: Madsxillz | May 13, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

dont see where prince will get burn. D-Mac and Prince?

Posted by: Madsxillz | May 13, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I love D-Mac as much as anyone but Prince>D-Mac. Prince gets time behind Caron at 3 anyways, and when he does D-Mac plays the 2.

Posted by: rururubio | May 13, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Tayshaun would be a very nice addition, and his familiarity with Flip and the system would be an added plus.

Posted by: jmg878 | May 13, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Think the Suns would make out like bandits while I doubt Colangelo would be enticed by a low lottery pick in this weak draft.

He'd probably suck it up, keep Bosh, and trade him mid-next season if need be.

IMO.

Posted by: truthaboutit | May 13, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Rubio. Talented point guards are difficult to find. ROCK THE RED!

Posted by: blackandred777 | May 13, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"JaVale McGee, who could be a monster if he commited himself to being a shotblocker and rebounder and stopped focusing on trying to score. But I digress."

huh, so his jacking up shots hurts his d? where was this? his per stats on both rebounding and blocking shots were the best on the team, yes he has tons of room to grow but what did you expect from a guy who got just 15 minutes a game? but being more productive per minute than everyone on the team in these categories as a rookie trying to cut some teeth is nothing that should be knocked, it doesn't make any sense to me how his one shot every three minutes makes him so concerned with offense to the point where it takes away from his defensive game. Jamison shoots once every two minutes, maybe that's why his d is so non-existent?

Posted by: bford1kb | May 13, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about making out like bandits.

You mention the low lottery pick, but Raptors would also be getting a gate draw in Steve Nash as well. Probably a 2-3 year rental but a guy who wants to play there.

Will it happen? More than likely not, but what fun would this exercise have been with just saying the Wizards with the 3rd Pick select Hasheem Thabeet?

I'm pretty sure WizardsExtreme wanted to stir the pot a little bit. Hence the three team trade.

Regardless, if we don't win the Blake Griffin Sweepstakes, you trade this pick and get something of worth (not named Pryzbylla).

My 2c.

Posted by: jmg878 | May 13, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I have a feeling we are going to make a move with Detroit if anything. If we have the 3rd pick, we can trade the pick, Etan and Mike James (moving almost $14 mil) for either Tayshaun or Rip. We would either have a lineup of Gil, Rip, Caron, Antawn, and Brendan.....or Gil, Caron, Tayshaun, Antawn and Brendan. Looks good to us, and Detroit makes out with a good young prospect and 2 large expiring contracts which they desire for the summer of 2010.

Posted by: LooseCannon1 | May 13, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you jmg878. Good points there. I think WizardsExtreme did a very good job stirring the pot and making people think about what possible scenarios could go down. I never really even imagined the three way trade, so it def got me thinking. I do think though that Bosh or Stoudemire are high targets and we may have to move more than what was stated in the article.

Posted by: LooseCannon1 | May 13, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Love this blogger vs the writer thing Michael's got going for the week. The trade scenario is wacked, the Raps will try to keep Bosh.

Posted by: closg | May 13, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

"Our first assumption is that Eddie Jordan is the coach of the Sacramento Kings. Based on that assumption, our decision on Thabeet over Rubio was helped by two interviews from this past season."

Uhh, I believe what EJ wanted was a bruiser type big man, not a tall guy with bad hands like Mutombo (or Haywood). That is why he over-utilized Ruffin and underutilized Haywood.

So I doubt seriously even if EJ become Kings coach, and they draft #2, they will pick Thabeet over Rubio.

Thus, I'll say trade the 3rd pick!

Posted by: sagaliba | May 13, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I like the trade scenario played out by WizardsExtreme but question why the target would be a PF who will be a FA at the end of the season. Even if the Wiz were able to turn AJ into a 6th man with Stoudemire as the starting PF, I don't think the team's defense would improve much. We'd be able to score a ton of points but would be another one and out in the playoffs.

I can't see EG making a trade unless it's for a player will be here 2-3 years like Prince and is strong defensively.

Posted by: wizfan89 | May 13, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

If Rubio is available at #3 take him.
He "could be" a marquee player for years to come. If he's a bust then it's a gamble that didn't pan out. Wizzies been there done that (Kwame).

Good teams are built for the long run thru the draft. I don't like trading any lotto pick but it makes sense here. Thabeet & JaVale are about the same thing. Trade #3 if RR isn't available.

Posted by: VBFan | May 13, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

VBFan, only problem with picking another potential bust is that those decisions can set franchises back a few years.

If we blow this pick or "asset" then this past year was a complete waste, not just a 1 year waste of all of our time,. franchise and fans included.

Posted by: jmg878 | May 13, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I am not too sure why people think the Amare trade would be a bad move. I mean he was an allstar player last year. If the problem is his injury, then we would take a gamble. Now, judging by some of those who are against the trades, you don't mind taking a chance.

I am ALL for Amare in a Wizards jersey.

Posted by: SIMP | May 13, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure Hamilton or Prince are worth the number 3 pick in the draft. Hamilton, while very good at what he does, doesn't really do what we need at the 2 spot. He's not anything more than an average defender. He's a below-average ball-handler to boot. IMO, not a great fit alongside Arenas. Prince would be a welcome addition as the 3, but having Butler at the 2 I don't think helps us much either.

If Rubio falls to the 3, I still say we take him, unless we can somehow manage a trade for Bosh, which I think is unlikely. However, if he's not there, how about something like the 3rd pick and Thomas to Charlotte for Bell and their pick, which should be around 12.

Posted by: segastyle | May 13, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Let's dream BIG, as in the 5 - What if they package the pick and BTH for Kevin Love and whatever else MN has to offer? Maybe MN would like to have an expiring contract or two.

KLove is younger than BTH and provides some real muscle in the paint, and might be used in certain lineups at the 4 too, when, you know, certain players have meet the floor "suddenly".

Posted by: MikeNelmsReturns | May 13, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Toronto trading Chrish Bosh for only one first round pick and an old Steve Nash...........dream on!

Posted by: virtueandvice | May 13, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I like the idea of trading with Phoenix; however, it’s for the wrong player. I just read something this morning saying Kerr wants to keep his big three intact. Although this trade would not involve draft picks, I just want to throw it out there. Trade Mike James or Ethan Thomas (I do think we need to hold on to one of our expiring contracts) along with Nick Young for Leandro Barbosa (he has two years left on his deal) and (sign and trade) for Grant Hill. Phoenix may go for it because of the expiring contract and they would get a young shooting guard who fit into their score in seven seconds’ offense. Hill would be the X-factor. I read he wants to stay in Phoenix, but I need him to make the trade work for both teams. I think Barbosa would be a better back point guard than Javaris Crittenton. Crittenton can’t shoot and is not a good free throw shooter. Barbosa would be a better fill-in for Gilbert if Gil gets hurt. The team gets a little older, streghten’s the beach and allows Washington to keep the pick if it’s between 3 -5. I know it won’t happen, but it’s a better suggestion than that Amare Stoudemire deal. 

Posted by: 33dgriffin | May 13, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Don't agree with the notion that Thabeet and McGee are the "same thing". McGee is a highly athletic 7' with a huge wingspan that can really run the floor.

McGee is not a traditional center, he can play center in an up tempo system, but I'd really think his niche is going to eventually be as a longer version of Rodman. I still think in the short run he lands at the 4 as a high energy guy off the bench. The kind of guy that can create havoc in short bursts.

Thabeet is a bigger, longer, stronger, heavier(harder to move)version of Haywood. Haywood's impact at center has been highly underrated on this site. But, he's at best average in this league. And he's going to want 10m+ to resign to be average and expect to be paid until he's about 35.

If Rubio and Griffin are off the board the Wiz have to look long and hard at Thabeet. Since there's not a lot of strong post players in the league, many seem to doubt their value. Have even an average one like Haywood, and you miss him when he's laid up.

I just don't think the wiz will pass on Thabeet. All the talk is about Suanders' offense. But the guy likes to use zone principles on defense too. That's a system that fits Thabeet to a T.

If Thabeet is taking a lot of Haywood's time. The Wiz sign and trade Haywood, if he develops at a slower pace, sign and keep Haywood for awhile.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | May 13, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Man I feel like I am weighing so many options and running through so many scenarios that my brain is going to explode. Can't wait til Tuesday so we can narrow down where we will be picking.

And just wanted to give my props to Wizards Insider for this little segment. I think involving the local sites is a very good idea. I know I have gone and checked out some of the sites I do not usually read. Very good idea, I am sure it is drawing more traffic to this site along with the other local sites.

Posted by: LooseCannon1 | May 13, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

lol at packaging Brendan Haywood and our pick for Kevin Love

Posted by: LooseCannon1 | May 13, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Thabeet is not going to be better than Spencer Hawes. Hawes is a year younger and already better at everything except blocking shots. Jordan wanted a defensive minded vet like PJ Brown, not a bunch of project bigs(Ernie's specialty). Jordan also wanted a quick point guard that could change the tempo of a game. Beno doesn't fit that description at all.

If the Wizards can get Griffin, Rubio, or Harden they should keep the pick. Throwing away the pick to rent an Amare, Bosh, etc. for one year doesn't make any sense. Those guys are going to enjoy playing with Arenas as much a Weber liked playing with Iverson.

Posted by: djnnnou | May 13, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Funny how this draft is shaping up. You know who should go first. Frankly, if we didn't get the top pick, I'd almost rather fall to 4 and take my chances. Because there's considerable risk to both Rubio and Thabeet.

Face it, how many of us have even seen Rubio play more than on highlight reels, or maybe a game or two in the Olympics? Do we even know for sure how tall he is? Have we seen him knock down jump shots against good defenders?

Thabeet we know, but what we know worries us. Pittsburgh made him look soft and slow like a roll of Charmin. Against other clubs, he looked All-World. Don't you hate drafting guys like that? GMs do. There's too much riding.

At least with a James Harden, a Brandon Jennings, a Jordan Hill, expectations are lower. Maybe they won't be stars in the NBA, but they probably won't be spectacular busts, either. A guy like Harden could play comfortably alongside Gilbert, dropping in left-handed jumpers, moving his feet on defense -- things we haven't seen around here in a while.

Jordan Hill could slide into that PF rotation with Blatche. Maybe he'd never make the All-Star team, but he probably wouldn't embarrass anybody, either. Jennings could get the fans cheering jsut because of those jets attached to his feet -- not that we've seen him, either.

Rubio and Thabeet could be much better than any of them -- or not.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 13, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

we're running out of options. if we pick anything other than 1 or 2, we're screwed. Other than Boozer, Amare, and Bosh, what else is there to trade for? Please, if there's something good out there (and for Pete's sake, David Lee is NOT THE ANSWER) let me know.

Posted by: CBell29 | May 13, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

"Thabeet is not going to be better than Spencer Hawes"

WOW. You've got to be the first person I've heard that would take Spencer Hawes over the chance to get Thabeet.

Posted by: jmg878 | May 13, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

if we get prince. that would be nice. Gil,D-Mac,Butler,Twan,Haywood..startn 5. and prince off the bench

Posted by: Madsxillz | May 13, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

The only rookie that can help this team (the way it is financially structured) win a championship is Blake Griffin.

If the Wizards don’t get Griffin, they need to trade the pick; some young talent, (NY, AB, JM, and JC) and a bad contract that expires this year, for a player (and a later first round draft pick) that can help AJ, Gil, CB, and BTH win a championship within the next 3 years?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | May 13, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, Michael, for actually giving reasonable thoughts on this issue rather than spilling out crazy what-ifs to avoid the issue like Wizards Extreme did.

I agree with Michael that players can rise up the draft board between now and draft night. So let's reserve judgment on who might be the third pick. (I think James Hardin would be a great fit, but let's see how he does over the next couple of months.)

If the Wizards can move the #3 pick for a relatively young starter, I would be for that. If not -- i.e., if all they can get is an old starter or a bench guy -- I would prefer that they keep the pick and draft the best player available, even if that is Thabeet. The Wizards "win now" mindset is, in my opinion, misplaced. They won't have the horses with the Big 3 and that minor addition to "win now," if "win now" means anything more than winning the first round of the playoffs, or possibly the second round.

Same thoughts on picks 4 and 5, too.

Posted by: disgruntledfan | May 13, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

... remember, we are going for a CHAMPIONSHIP!

Ernie, find the teams looking to get in the 2010 free agent market and start flappin' them gums.

We can find a taker for the 3rd Pick. The question is can we get the right vet in return...

Posted by: fishin41 | May 13, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

disgruntledfan-

So for Michael to basically say, with the number 3 pick the Wizards would take Hasheem Thabeet and not put much thought process into the rest of the draft, that is a better answer than what Wizards Extreme came up with? I think the point of this segment was for the local sites to lay out different scenarios and what they think might happen. Not picking sides on which one I think is correct or not, but just pointing out the fact that both answers lead to a good debate and have made some people think about what could possibly happen. I disagree that Wizards Extreme avoided the issue. They simply gave their opinion and thoughts and would could possibly happen if the Wizards have the #3 pick.

Posted by: LooseCannon1 | May 13, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I would not take Thabeet! I love the guard from AZ St., but not sure if he can play decent defense in the NBA. I need to see the PF from AZ a little more but the kid is athletic and could score some. but he is on the thin side.

I don't think the Wiz need another max all-star type player. I can't believe I'm saying this but a Tayshaun Prince would be a solid addition, so would any bonafide pro that can play a real 4/PF position. the Wiz need defense, rebounding and a consistent 10-15 inside pts from a PF.

Posted by: oknow1 | May 13, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

No LooseCannon, the above poster is correct. Michael's analysis is simple and spot on. The Wizards Extreme suggestion is utterly pointless. I'd bet everything I own and my left nut that the Kings would take Rubio and not Thabeet in that lottery scenario, and unless Chris Bosh has been killed in a car accident and I just haven't read about it yet, that trade is not going to happen.

Posted by: GshawnJohnson | May 13, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"WOW. You've got to be the first person I've heard that would take Spencer Hawes over the chance to get Thabeet." - jmg

If I were the Kings, and was picking top 5 in this draft, I wouldn't select Thabeet either. In his second year, Hawes, is producing more than Haywood does. 11.4ppg, 7.1rpg, 1.2 bpg. And he's 21 and 7' tall.

They need a PF and PG in the worst of ways, IMO. Rubio would solve one of those holes.

Posted by: segastyle | May 13, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

If you can't get Griffin, trade the pick. Rubio might be nice, but he doesn't give the Wizards what they really need. And he's not going to be there at 3 anyway. Trade the pick.

Posted by: Tempy_McJobhunt | May 13, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

While we can talk all day about needing defense, WE believe that this team is constructed to put up points. If we were built with a bunch of Bruce Bowen- and Raja Bell-type players, then Avery Johnson should have been the coach.

This is a thorough yet absurd run-down from ExtremeWiz. This entire scenario is based on Rubio and Griffin not being the first and second picks, but Mike Lee already dealt with that. However the above statement really takes the cake. Which non-defense playing team has won a championship (the short-term goal according to Abe) in the last 20 seasons? The Bad Boys, Bulls, Houston, the Lakers, the Spurs, the Bad Boys II, the Heat and Boston were all excellent defensive teams, as were their respective Finals opponents.

Secondly, adding Amare "The Glass Man" Stoudemire to a team that has been plagued by injuries for 3 straight years is asking for disappointment. We have had to use health as an excuse for three straight seasons now. Why would we add another expensive yet extremely fragile player to our cast of characters?

Thirdly, this hypothetical deal is contingent on Phoenix trading Steve Nash to the Raptors. To say that Steve Nash has "dreams of playing for the Raptors" is a strreeeeetch. A more cautious read of the article you cited reveals not only that he has enjoyed "success in Phoenix and would love to stay," but he that he would play for Toronto only if '"it made sense from a basketball perspective and I could be an asset to a competitive team" but added he isn’t interested in any ceremonial roles.' Toronto finished this season ahead of only the Wiz and the Knicks-- you must think Steve's standards are low.

And lastly, your entire analysis goes out the window when you open it to let in the bitter air of reality: Eddie Jordan's CSN interview pertained specifically to his difficulties with his role as the WIZARDS head coach under Ernie Grunfeld. He has had no such difficulties with the Kings and in fact, as of yet has no role with the Kings at all.

Stick to developing "exclusive" bootleg message boards, ExtremeWiz. Writing and predicting the future aren't your forte.

Posted by: prescrunk | May 13, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

There are no "Guarantees" in any draft. It's a crapshoot.

I say Blake & Rubio are probbly 1 & 2 BUT both could be busts (it has happened in the past)and someone in the bottom 1st or high 2nd round "might" be an MJ.

There will be stars & flops BUT you gotta play to win and the Wizzies are due to win one.

Posted by: VBFan | May 13, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

"For the Wizards, the decision ultimately comes down to the fact that this team is built to win now, not down the road". Really? Did you actually catch any games last season Wizards insider?

Posted by: jack_mo_99 | May 13, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

If we don't get Griffin we should trade the pick. I don't care about Rubio or Thabeet.

We need a SG. Anyone think a trade for Joe Johnson is possible? Maybe the #3 pick, Nick Young, Thomas and James for JJ?

Posted by: Darnell1 | May 13, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

"WOW. You've got to be the first person I've heard that would take Spencer Hawes over the chance to get Thabeet." - jmg

Yeah, it's called East Coast Bias. If anyone seriously thought Thabeet could be anything close to Mutombo he would be the #1 pick.

Posted by: djnnnou | May 13, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

One more time: Wake up. Haywood is a stiff. Find a way to dump him or you'll never get out of the 1st round.

Posted by: salescoach | May 13, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

One more time: Wake up. Haywood is a stiff. Find a way to dump him or you'll never get out of the 1st round.

Posted by: salescoach | May 13, 2009 7:07 PM

Is that why the Wizzies did so well without him this year?????????

Posted by: VBFan | May 13, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Prescrunk, you take hypotheticals way too serious.

A more cautious read of the point to this exercise and you would realize

"We advised our guest bloggers to have a little fun with the potential scenarios, so long as they're feasible, if not likely."

If you wanted to hear that it will be Hasheem Thabeet you should tune into SI, Fox Sports or ESPN.

Kudos to whoever wrote the blog piece at Wizards Extreme for coming up with a scenario that would both piss people off and get conversation going.

That was the whole point of this segment, right?

My take, for what its worth, anything outside of Blake Griffin, I'm interested in trading out. For what? Who knows..

Posted by: bulletsfever78 | May 13, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Prescrunk, you take hypotheticals way too serious.

A more cautious read of the point to this exercise and you would realize

"We advised our guest bloggers to have a little fun with the potential scenarios, so long as they're feasible, if not likely."

If you wanted to hear that it will be Hasheem Thabeet you should tune into SI, Fox Sports or ESPN.

Kudos to whoever wrote the blog piece at Wizards Extreme for coming up with a scenario that would both piss people off and get conversation going.

That was the whole point of this segment, right?

My take, for what its worth, anything outside of Blake Griffin, I'm interested in trading out. For what? Who knows..

Posted by: bulletsfever78 | May 13, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Not a chance we'd draft Thabeet. Haywood has developed into a solid player, and Mcgee is our "Mr.Potential" guy. Thabeet would be a useless pick.

I'm on record as saying Rubio is pure hype.

And really, Griffin is worryingly similar to Tyler Hansbrough on some levels.

This could be a year to trade the pick at all costs, sucker some other team into overpaying for a possibly marginal player.

Posted by: divi3 | May 13, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Swap the pick and one expiring contract for a lower 1st round pick.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 13, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

If we get the #5 pick, I would like for Grunfield to pick Stephen Curry. Think about it; Roger Mason was a guy that we had that could stretch the floor and keep defenders honest with his ability to hit the three. We did not have that option this year; as Nick Young was erratic as well as others. Curry is known as a sharp shooter. I think that he'd give 8-10 PPG off the bench as a rookie. In a Flip Saunders based offense Curry would be the Terry Porter, Bobby Jackson, Anthony Peeler, Fred Hoiberg, Flip Murray, Tony Delk esque role player.

Posted by: DC_All_Star | May 13, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Make that #5 pick and trade down.

Posted by: DC_All_Star | May 13, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

I like the idea of a trade-down that would net us a mid-lottery draft choice who could help... DeJuan Blair and Stephen Curry have been my preferences all along. The question is what team in the mid-lottery -- say Golden State, Indianapolis, Milwaukee -- has a player that we need and that they are willing to part with?

Posted by: khrabb | May 14, 2009 2:57 AM | Report abuse

The WIZARD's team as currently constructed may fit ABE POLLIN's HAVE to win now philosophy, but this offensively built system will not win the NBA championship. AMARE STOUDEMIRE is a player I will have to study before I can say this move makes sense for the D.C. franchise, but is it a plausible scenerio if the WIZARDS pick third? Losing THOMAS' and JAMES' contracts would be a god-send. I just don't know if PHOENIX would relieve us of our dirty laundry. That seems too much baggage for a #3 pick in this draft.

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 14, 2009 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Stick with sales coach. HAYWOOD stays. End of story.

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 14, 2009 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Khrabb, That's why I see NY as a potential trade partner, if the Wiz are in postion to take Rubio, I could see things heating up between the two teams.

People keep throwing around Allstars in trade scenarios. Grunfeld's M.O. in the Jamison and Butler deals was to find a guy that was still ascending and hadn't made the Allstar team yet.

A package containing Lee and swapping first rounders would make some sense for both teams. If the Wiz would send along either James or Thomas's expiring deals it would work out for NY. They are apartantly relunctant to sign Lee long term since they're in the mode of freeing up cap space for next summer.

Lee would bring a needed dose of toughness to the Wizards' frontline. With NY's pick Curry or Blair would be on the board as well.

I'm not in the bring back Larry Hughes fan club. After Larry's deal expires he might be a guy to add in MLE deal. Grunfeld turned down the chance to make that deal once. He isn't trading for it again.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | May 14, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

The only way the Wizards are going to get a top notch veteran player in a trade is if they actually get the number one pick and trade it before the draft or if they package Jamison or Butler with their pick wherever it is. No team is going to accept a lot of the Wizards remaining roster in a trade straight up no matter how desperately the fans want to see it. Other teams have to deal with their fans also you know.

Posted by: dandyhuffman | May 14, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Thabeet is not going to be better than Spencer Hawes"

WOW. You've got to be the first person I've heard that would take Spencer Hawes over the chance to get Thabeet.

Posted by: jmg878 | May 13, 2009 2:13 PM

Dude, everybody would take Hawes over Thabeet. Thabeet is going to be horrible and it's pretty obvious. That would be the worst pick for us. Hawes is decent. Thabeet will average 2 min/game his first year. Thabeet is worse than Sene. No way Grunfield will pick him.

Posted by: Urnesto | May 14, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse


if the Wizards trade their 3rd pick for Stoudamire I would not be happy. He would be another offensive player. This team needs defense and Stoudamire lacks that. Granted he's young and he'll provide low post scoring but it still won't stop teams from penetrating, when Haywood isn't on the floor. If they get that pick get Chris Bosh. he plays on both sides he isn't flashy like Stoudamire but he's more reliable on both sides of the ball. Plus Bosh is the only player I see who can keep Dwight Howard off the boards....as much..lol

Posted by: rcnasa | May 14, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I think someone is working for Phoenix. Give up Bosh, Rubio, Blatche for Stoudamire. You need to understand the value of Bosh. If the wizards do not get 1 or 2 in the draft, they will trade for Bosh and keep him. He is the best kept secret in the NBA. We should get the Toronto pick in return and trade Butler. Sorry, but he has the most value (besides Gilbert), Gilbert is untouchable, Jamison has age working against him. With the Toronto pick they take Blair. This gives them the big baby counterpart off the bench. Bosh, Jamison and Gilbert gives them the big three again with more inside scoring. Something they need. Toronto gets #3 pick, an all Star with a contract, and some expiring contracts. If they have to though in a prospect (not Mcgee) so be it. this Stoudamire talk is fools gold. His offense comes from the style of play and Nash. Watch and see what Bosh does when the floor is spread by Arenas and Jamison his talent has yet to shine but it did in the olmypics where he was one of the top 3 players on the team.

Posted by: NewThoughts | May 14, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

"Dude, everybody would take Hawes over Thabeet. Thabeet is going to be horrible and it's pretty obvious. That would be the worst pick for us. Hawes is decent. Thabeet will average 2 min/game his first year. Thabeet is worse than Sene. No way Grunfield will pick him."

Dude, we are all entitled to our own opinions. You have yours, I have mine. But to say everybody would take Spencer Hawes over Thabeet is just incorrect.

There is a reason Thabeet is in the discussion of the 3rd pick in the draft.

And to the East Coast Bias BS, you can toss that stuff to the curb, I've been watching NBA all season long, and seen enough Kings games to say that YES, i believe Thabeet>Spencer Hawes.

Posted by: jmg878 | May 14, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

REPLY TO: "Dude, everybody would take Hawes over Thabeet. Thabeet is going to be horrible and it's pretty obvious. That would be the worst pick for us. Hawes is decent. Thabeet will average 2 min/game his first year. Thabeet is worse than Sene. No way Grunfield will pick him."

Dude, we are all entitled to our own opinions. You have yours, I have mine. But to say everybody would take Spencer Hawes over Thabeet is just incorrect.

There is a reason Thabeet is in the discussion of the 3rd pick in the draft.

And to the East Coast Bias BS, you can toss that stuff to the curb, I've been watching NBA all season long, and seen enough Kings games to say that YES, i believe Thabeet>Spencer Hawes.

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Dude--- You're absolutely crazy. Thabeet is only the 3rd pick because this is the weakest draft ever. No one thinks he has any talent. And yes, anyone who ever has heard of "basketball" would take Hawes over Thabeet. You obviously are very simple-minded basketball-wise. It's just a silly argument - Hawes is an ok player, and Thabeet is horrible. There's not really room for you to claim that anything else is simply "your opinion." It's not opinion at all. Thabeet is terrible. Just stop being defensive that you don't understand "basketball," and try watching a game. Try either ESPN or TNT. They'll have some "basketball" for you, and then we don't have to have this silly discussion.

Posted by: Urnesto | May 15, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

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