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The Risk of Trading a Top Three Pick (UPDATED)


Think Portland could've used either one of us? (NBAE via Getty Images)


In his first draft as general manager of the Washington Wizards in 2004, Ernie Grunfeld selected Wisconsin point guard Devin Harris fifth overall, paired him with Jerry Stackhouse and Christian Laettner, and immediately shipped them to Dallas for Antawn Jamison. The move worked out incredibly for both teams, with Harris and Stackhouse helping the Mavericks reach the NBA Finals two years later and Jamison leading the Wizards into their only four-year playoff run in the past 30 years.

After a miserable 19-win campaign, the Wizards have dropped back into the lottery and the franchise is assured a selection no less than fifth in the NBA draft this June. The Wizards' lottery position will be determined on May 19, and Grunfeld is again in a situation where he can decide whether to keep the pick or trade the "asset" -- as he likes to call it -- for a veteran player who can contribute right away.

I've often assumed that Grunfeld would move the pick, since the team needs to get older, not younger, if it's going to seriously contend. But after further review, if the Wizards wind up with one of the top three selections, the following list might caution Grunfeld from moving it. Top three picks are usually franchise cornerstones or better yet, keepers. Even if it isn't obvious at the time, sometimes it shakes out that way (see: Billups, Chauncey). Giving up on those picks often comes back to haunt teams.

If Washington ends up with four or five, Grunfeld should see if he can find another Jamison or make a move like Boston President of Basketball Operations Danny Ainge did two years, using fifth pick Jeff Green to get Ray Allen.

After looking back at the history of teams that have traded away top three picks without ever having the player wear their uniform, the success rate both long term and short term often has been horrendous. The moments when teams trade top three picks for veterans and succeed are rare. There are times when a team can land a Mitch Richmond (who was acquired for Billy Owens), but mostly teams wind up with a Roy Hinson (who was acquired for Brad Daugherty).

In the lottery era, there have been 14 instances where teams dumped top three picks and more often than not, that team was seeking a do-over. We're going to look back at all of them, the three hits, the eight misses, the two pushes and the one that is yet-to-be determined:

THE HITS


I was pretty good before I came to Washington. (Photo by Rocky Widner/NBAE for Getty Images)

The Los Angeles Clippers trade 1989 No. 2 overall pick Danny Ferry and Reggie Williams to Cleveland for Ron Harper, two first-round picks and a second-round pick: Ferry initially ran to Italy rather than play for the Clippers. After returning to the U.S., Ferry had a solid but unremarkable career. While Harper suffered a career-altering knee injury, he also started on two playoff teams with the Clippers. He later won five championships with Chicago and the Lakers.

The Sacramento Kings trade 1991 No. 3 overall pick Billy Owens to the Golden State Warriors in exchange for Mitch Richmond: Great move because Owens had no desire to play in Sacramento and the Kings were able swap a player who became a disappointing bust for a three-time all-star guard.

The Clippers trade 2001 No. 2 overall pick Tyson Chandler and Brian Skinner to the Chicago Bulls for Elton Brand: One of the few fantastic and lopsided deals in Clippers history, as Brand made two all-star appearances and helped the franchise win a playoff series in 2006. Chandler has recently become a reliable NBA contributor -- in New Orleans.

THE MISSES


I know my career was cut short because of injury, but Roy Hinson!?! Seriously? (Tim DeFrisco/Getty Images)

The Philadelphia 76ers trade 1986 No. 1 overall pick Brad Daugherty to Cleveland for Roy Hinson: Daugherty became a five-time all-star and retired as the Cavaliers' all-time leading scorer. Hinson gave the 76ers next to nothing and six years later, franchise player Charles Barkley, frustrated because he had no help, demanded a trade to Phoenix.

The Clippers trade 1995 No. 2 overall pick Antonio McDyess and Randy Woods to the Denver Nuggets for Rodney Rogers and Brent Barry: McDyess actually became an all-star and an Olympic gold medallist in his second stint with Denver, but Rogers and Barry became journeymen role players.

Philadelphia trades 1997 No. 2 overall pick Keith Van Horn, Michael Cage, Lucious Harris and Don MacLean to the New Jersey Nets for Tim Thomas, Anthony Parker, Jim Jackson and Eric Montross: Van Horn never became "The Next Larry Bird" but he had some promising seasons with the Nets and was a starter on the 2002 NBA Finals team. Thomas lasted 1 ½ seasons in Philadelphia and has been a classic underachiever his entire career, showing the potential of his gifts only when entering free agency.

The Vancouver Grizzlies trade 1999 No. 2 overall pick Steve Francis to the Houston Rockets for Michael Dickerson, Othella Harrington, Antoine Carr, Brent Price, a first- and second-round pick: This may have been the final deal that eventually led to the departure of the basketball from western Canada. Francis forced a trade out of Vancouver and went on to win co-rookie of the year and make three all-star teams with Houston. The Grizzlies almost gathered an entire team in exchange for Francis, but it wasn't a particularly good one. And, while Dickerson put up decent numbers, this deal became a complete and total flop when he was forced to retire from severe hamstring and groin injuries in 2003 -- two years after the team moved to Memphis.


The exchange rate would've greatly diminished my hops. (Jed Jacobsohn/Allsport)

The Atlanta Hawks send 2001 No. 3 overall pick Pau Gasol, Lorenzen Wright and Brevin Knight to Vancouver (Memphis) in exchange for Shareef Abdur-Rahim: Abdur-Rahim became an all-star his first season in Atlanta but never reached the playoffs in his home town. Gasol led the Grizzlies to the only three postseason appearances in franchise history, while reaching the all-star team in 2006. Gasol has since made another all-star team and reached the NBA Finals with the Lakers.

The Los Angeles Clippers trade the 2004 No. 2 overall pick to the Charlotte Bobcats for picks No. 4 and No. 33 in the NBA draft. They ended up dealing Emeka Okafor for Shaun Livingston and Lionel Chalmers: Okafor has turned into one of the NBA's most serviceable big men, averaging a double-double over his first five seasons in the league. Livingston had an injury-plagued start, showed some promise, then his career was eventually derailed by a serious knee injury.

The Portland Trail Blazers trade the 2005 No. 3 overall pick to the Utah Jazz for picks No. 6 and 27. The deal turned out to be swap of Deron Williams for Martell Webster and Linas Kleiza: This is in contention for worst trade of the decade. Portland had the opportunity to draft Williams or Chris Paul, two potential Hall of Fame point guards and instead selected a player who has yet to make an impact and another who now resides in Denver.

The Chicago Bulls trade 2006 No. 2 overall pick LaMarcus Aldridge to Portland for Tyrus Thomas and Viktor Khyrapa: Aldridge isn't exactly a franchise player, but he has the low post game the Bulls have been searching for for decades, and has shown all-star potential. Thomas has been a frustratingly talented player with the Bulls.


THE PUSHES


Yeah, Gheorghe. At least Orlando got some good years out of me. (AP Photo)

The Philadelphia 76ers trade 1988 No. 3 overall pick Charles Smith to the Los Angeles Clippers for Hersey Hawkins and a first-round pick: Smith was among the Clippers' top scorers and rebounders, but had a relatively uneventful four-year stint with the team. Hawkins made the all-star team in 1991 before getting traded to Charlotte in 1993.

The Orlando Magic trades 1993 No. 1 overall pick Chris Webber to Golden State for No. 3 overall pick Anfernee Hardaway and three future first round draft picks: Since this trade involved two top three picks, this was tougher to determine. Webber played only one season with the Warriors, which made this a terrible deal for Golden State -- especially when the Warriors wound up trading Webber to Washington for Tom Gugliotta and some draft picks. But it was an awesome trade for Orlando, since Hardaway helped the Magic reach the NBA Finals in 1995 and the conference finals in 1996, when he also won an Olympic gold medal.

THE YET-TO-BE-DETERMINED


You might regret this, Minnesota. (NBAE/Getty Images)

The Minnesota Timberwolves trade No. 3 overall pick O.J. Mayo, Antoine Walker, Marko Jaric and Greg Buckner to the Memphis Grizzlies for Kevin Love, Mike Miller, Brian Cardinal and Jason Collins: It's too early to call this trade a bust for Minnesota, but O.J. Mayo has already shown the potential to be a superstar in the league, while Love had a decent rookie campaign. With just one year to judge, this one is still up for debate.

By Michael Lee  |  May 5, 2009; 12:16 PM ET
 
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The Wiz suffered through a lot of "not ready for prime time players" being forced into roles they couldn't handle because of a rash of injuries this year.

The force fed experience should benefit these players in the long run. Eddie Jordan had no history of player development, Flip Suanders does. So the Wiz will have a coach in place to define roles and utilize the young talent.

Rubio is the only one of the top three that I would consider trading. And that's only because I think the price for him may go really high.

I like the idea of trading Rubio for a package that would include Lee and the Knicks' first pick and dispose of Etan and James's deals. I see some players that would be sitting there at the Knicks slot that could be some real keepers. And Lee would provide a real solid frontline player to add toughness and rebounding.

Lee would also be much more signable and not require the ball in his hands to be effective like Amare or Bosh.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | May 5, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Great post.

Posted by: mkremnitzer0 | May 5, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

the warriors got 3 1 rounders and googs for c webb that's not just some picks, 4 1st rounders for a man we were soon to give up on before his best years, HoF caliber, in exchange for mitch richmond's worst years, it was awful for GS only because they took cliff rozier, joe smith and todd fuller with these picks
"Richmond was traded by the Kings, along with Otis Thorpe, to the Washington Wizards for Chris Webber in May 1998, a move that keyed the Kings' transformation from perennial doormat to an elite title contender. However, things did not work out as well for Richmond. In three years with the Wizards, he lost a lot of the shooting touch he displayed as a King, and his days as a regular were numbered after missing half of the 2000–01 season." NICE

Posted by: bford1kb | May 5, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Grunfield should use the Lebron sweepstakes to his advantage. At the trading deadline there's absolutely going to be teams looking to aquire expiring contracts with the hope of inking Bron's services. Odds are, more teams than not won't be given much of a look by James to begin with. Going along with that, Grunfield needs to take advantage of those teams living in a dream world in an attempt to pry away contribution worthy players. If a team like the Knicks is willing to dump a David Lee, or the Pistons possibly getting rid of Tayshaun Prince -- the Wizards need to pounce.

Posted by: wizfan305 | May 5, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

What you are implying is that the GMs don't what they are doing beyond the utterly obvious. I'd have to agree.

BTW, my research suggests more people will be routing against the Cavs in the Finals than any other team in the history of the NBA. Not too many people outside of the NBA front office like LeBron. Is it possible for them to whine their way to a championship?

Posted by: Izman | May 5, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I've been saying all along that I would not like to trade a top selection, especially not #1 or #2, for "veteran" help. I personally don't think it's worth it unless it's truly an elite talent that's acquired (and someone like David Lee does not fall into that category). Maybe if the team shopped a combo of expiring contracts and Young/Blatche, then we could look for vet help, but too many people are posturing that an unknown draft class (as they all are) is destined to be full of projects at the top of the draft.

Posted by: psps23 | May 5, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

If the Wizards do not sign Blake Griffin, they will be the worst franchise in the NBA for as long as Gilbert Arenas is on the roster.

Unless they sign Lebron James.

Posted by: dcaubie101 | May 5, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

First off, Rubio's gone by the second pick, and if we get the 1st or second pick its a no-brainer, we're keeping it. It's a little tougher to say what we do with number 3, and a trade may have to be made, but I don't think we can trade a possible future great point guard in Rubio just to get rid of some bad players with huge contracts. Ya'll act like its your money their spending and not Abe's. Why not just draft the best possible pick, wait one year for ET and MJames to expire, and pay a little extra in taxmoney while we're at it. Otherwise, a big man like Lee or all around defender like Tayshaun would be great...Dont forget though, our interior d will be much better next yr just with Haywood back.

Posted by: bbachrac | May 5, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Adidas sees profits slide by 97 percent!

Posted by: jeremydvid | May 5, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Why would anybody trade for anything other than the first or second picks of this draft? Outside of Blake and Rubio, is it worth moving up in the draft?

I think the Wizards should stand pat with their pick and hope for potential if they don't get 1 or 2. Draft Thabeet and groom him to succeed Haywood, hoping he turns into a Dikembe(was #4 in his draft). I see Javale as a seven ft version of Ralph Sampson in his prime, running the court for alley-oops at the 4 position, not 5. Akeem was the 5.

Posted by: G-Man11 | May 5, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

dcaubie101

Yes, spoken like a wizards fan. Not sure what the wizards need but always ready to critique them for what they have. Fantasy GM's

Posted by: ged0386 | May 5, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Izman

Actually plenty of people like him outside of DC.

Posted by: ged0386 | May 5, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Although Michael makes an interesting point, to complete a fair assesment Michael should report on how many guys were drafted in the top 3 the past 15 years and how many of them are still in the NBA. I'm guessing that would stomp this argument easily. (see: Kwame - although still in the NBA, avg. 10 min. off the bench for detroit isnt exactly lighting any fires).

Posted by: ThatGuy2 | May 5, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Although Michael makes an interesting point, to complete a fair assesment Michael should report on how many guys were drafted in the top 3 the past 15 years and how many of them are still in the NBA OR considered big contributors to their teams. I'm guessing that would stomp this argument easily. (see: Kwame - although still in the NBA, avg. 10 min. off the bench for detroit isnt exactly lighting any fires).

Posted by: ThatGuy2 | May 5, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

This is excellent journalism

Posted by: UltimateFootballNetwork | May 5, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I appreciate the research Lee put into the article, but I don't agree with the conclusion. This is a 2 player draft. Griffin and Rubio are potential superstars. Griffin clearly shouldn't be traded. Rubio should only be traded for somebody like Bosh who is also a superstar.

But if we land the #3 pick, then trade options should definitely be on the table. The best players available at #3 are raw, redundant big men like Thabeet and Hill. I don't think Thabeet is any better of a prospect than McGee, and even if he is, he won't usurp Haywood's role for at least 4-5 years, so why bother? Likewise, Hill doesn't look much better than Blatche and he's not taking Jamison's spot anytime soon.

So as far as players that can help us in this draft, we're looking at guys like Harden, Evans, Curry, and Henderson. I think any of those guys could compete with Stevenson, Young and Crittenton for guard minutes, but none of them are huge upgrades. Furthermore, I think most of those guys would be available in the 7-10 range, there is no need to expend a #3 pick on them.

So, assuming we can't use our #3 pick as incentive to trade for a star-caliber veteran, then the next best option would be to trade down a few slots, dump Stevenson's contract, and draft Curry/Henderson/Evans/Harden. A trade with Toronto would work out perfect. They have the #9 pick and cap room. They need a center like Thabeet and would be willing to absorb one of our bad contracts to get him. Unloading Stevenson (and paying a #9 pick salary instead of a #3 pick salary) would save Abe about $20M in salary and luxtax fees over the next two years while still landing us a rookie that can help us.

Posted by: nate33 | May 5, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

"the warriors got 3 1 rounders and googs for c webb that's not just some picks, "

I couldn't have said that better myself. I can't comment on the post until after May 19. We could get the number 1 pick and that will kill any talk of trading the pick.

Posted by: 33dgriffin | May 5, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

The moral of the story isn't "don't trade a top 3 pick." It's "make sure you get something good in return."

Posted by: TheFunBunch | May 5, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for trading Rubio. The problem is you would have to draft him first. I don't know if I'd want him in the first round. I'd take Javier Vasquez in a head to head matchup, plus Vasquez is taller. Rubio is a overhyped boy toy like Sydney Crosby, the choice of school girls across the country.
I watched like half a game and not a single pass. It was a layup drill. Players were diving, not floping, but diving out of the way of the european pop icon. Federline plays basketball! Pre-teen girls text each other and skip school in unison to watch. You've got to rrrroll the Rs. RRRRRubin RRRRRRRRRRRRRubioooooooo in a spanish accent with high pitched kiddy screams in the back ground.

I like Thabeet, despite the Wizards finaly having something of a backlog of size. The guy is like 7'3" or 7'6" whatever putting the X in XL. A Dikembe Mutombo sounds awesome for the wizards. When could they boast extreme size or defense? But he could develop offensively. We could put him at center and have 7 footers at SF and PF. I think Blatche fancies himself a SF.

From the looks of things Blake Griffin could be the most solid pick... like a Carlos Boozer.

Posted by: chavez66 | May 5, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

That guy 2,

Here's what you are looking for:

http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

Posted by: Izman | May 5, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

The other problem I see is that the use of "hits," "misses" and "pushes" seems a bit too liberal. For example, how bad of a miss was the Keith Van Horn trade for Philadelphia? Tim Thomas eventually turned into Tyrone Hill, who was a key starter on their Finals team. New Jersey, meanwhile, did not get good until Van Horn's last year with them. They made the playoffs in 1998, but trended downward after that. So that strikes me as a bit more of a push once you include necessary context.

In addition, I don't understand how the Harper/Ferry trade is a push. Ferry was a complete bust with Cleveland, while Harper was a starting shooting guard for two Clipper playoff teams. He blew out his knee, sure, but he was a key piece for the Clippers as they made the playoffs. Ferry was a nothing piece for Cleveland. That's a major hit.

It seems the conclusion that should be made from this piece is "trading a top three pick is complicated." Instead, it seems the conclusion most got was "it's very risky." Based on the data, the answer seems way more complex and mixed than the post makes it seem.

Posted by: Pradamaster | May 5, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Good stuff Mike. Thanks

Posted by: dingersoll1 | May 5, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Nice post, Michael. And nice link, Izman.
But all of that is irrelevant because the people on this board have already determined that everyone in the draft after the top 1 or 2 players will stink.

Posted by: disgruntledfan | May 5, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

"But all of that is irrelevant because the people on this board have already determined that everyone in the draft after the top 1 or 2 players will stink.Posted by: disgruntledfan"

Nah... they just assume that no one but the top pick is will turn around a franchise (and the odds say that's true).

But as for good players vs stinkers, the odds also suggest the following:

1.the first pick won't make that big a difference in the team's record, either, unless he goes to the 'right' team.

2. One of the top four picks will have an unsuccessful career.

3. A very good (All-Star candidate) level player will be chosen after the first three but in the first half of Round 1.

4. Another very good player will be chosen somewhere late in the first or early in the second round.

5. Most of the players chosen in Round 1 will be out of the league by the beginning of their third season.

But of course, those are only suggestions --- look who won the Derby this year?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 6, 2009 6:24 AM | Report abuse

"5. Most of the players chosen in Round 1 will be out of the league by the beginning of their third season."

Nah, I'm being too harsh -- there are too many ways a team can keep a guy around past his apparent expiration date, and too many incentives to do just that.

Look at Pecherov. That's a player who on a number of clubs might already be gone, or stashed overseas somewhere. But he's 7' tall and they keep him around until a miracle happens or somebody more attractive shows up. I mean, Etan Thomas is still on a roster, and he's a mere shadow of the player he used to be.

There are what, just 450 slots on NBA active rosters? And thousands of players aching for them.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 6, 2009 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Nice post, Michael. And nice link, Izman.
But all of that is irrelevant because the people on this board have already determined that everyone in the draft after the top 1 or 2 players will stink.

Posted by: disgruntledfan | May 5, 2009 10:30 PM

You didn't get that from me. There is Tarheels in this draft.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 6, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Couldn't help noticing the link disclaimer:
"..I have gone with an admittedly highly simplistic look on things by just going with: Rating = points/game + rebounds/game + assists/game...It's the data I have easily on hand, which while not a good player rating system is a decent wag for these purposes."

So it's just for fun. A GM couldn't keep his job relying on it.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 6, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

You could just as easily compile a list of all the bust that resulted from actually keeping a top 3 pick and make the same argument. The draft is always a crapshoot.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 6, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Unless you can pry David Lee out of NY and trade Etan and James, keep the Pick. Among these six are players ready to battle:

Blake Griffin, Hasheem Thabeet, Jordan Hill, Ty Lawson, Eric Maynor, Stephen Curry.

A healthy guard that can handle the ball, pass, and shoot the 3 (when Gil's not in the game, or sometimes at the same time - ala - Houstons current speedy guard combination) is desperately needed by the Wizards.

Here's the best Free Agents, none of which have All Star potential at this point:

Drew Gooden, Anderson Verajao, David Lee, Charlie Villanueva, Glen Davis

Posted by: liveride | May 6, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

"Here's the best Free Agents, none of which have All Star potential at this point:"

(A) That's not a list of the best FAs (at least not all of them). (B) The Wiz don't necessarily need an All-Star player (C) The free agent list is irrelevant to the Wizards because they don't have any money to spend on free agents. if they're going to upgrade with vet talent it'll be through trades, utilizing the pick and expiring contracts.

Posted by: kalo_rama | May 6, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse


There are a few more bad trades Mike forgot to mention. Remember 96 draft when Ray Allen was swapped by the Wolves for Stephon Marbary to the Bucks. The Wolves suffered and couldn't get out of the first round and Marbary complained about KG's contract asked to be traded. Meanwhile, Ray Allen became and All-Star and the Bucks went to the NBA conference championship but lost to the 76'ers

Posted by: rcnasa | May 6, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Looks like I was wrong and Mike didn't mention it because those guys were picked 4 and 5. My mistake...lol

Posted by: rcnasa | May 6, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I understand the 'lessons of the past idea...' but, remember Adam Morrison, Sheldon Williams, Darko Milicic, Mike Dunleavy Jr., Stromile Swift, Darius Miles, and of course Kwame Brown. All of them were top 5 selections and all have had less than 'great' careers, to date.

There are NO HARD RULES to the draft. It comes down to an organization doing its job... evaluating players. Talk to old teammates and coaches, do backround check, call Ms. Cleo... whatever it takes to make sure you know as much as possible about the player the team is picking and cross your fingers that you get it right.

In the case of the Wiz, the organizations 'seems' to be saying they want to play for a championship NOW. The issue is identifying our strengths and weaknesses and how can we best fix the weaknesses wihthout losing a strenght. It comes down to questions like, is it best to take away from some areas (youth, potential) to improve in other areas (defense, offensive rebounding)?!???

I don't think this draft has the pieces we are missing to become a championship level team. Waiting 3-5 years for Griffin to become an All Star (if at all) is not going to help us now.

Ernie, get us some vets...

Posted by: fishin41 | May 6, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I liked the 1st post which was get a player like a David Lee (would be a great fit at the 4) or Tayshawn Prince from a team who is looking to free up cap space for 2010. Getting rid of bad contracts like Etan and Mike James would be an added bonus if we aren't picking No. 1 or No. 2.

The Wizards have enough projects and young players without drafting Thabeet or Hill if they don't land one of the two top picks. Given that the team's key players are all in the 27 - 33 range, the window will close very quickly after this year. EG has made it clear that he wants to contend now, not a few years from now, and his job is probably on the line if the team doesn't make it back to the playoffs next year.

Posted by: wizfan89 | May 6, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

The Draft allows us to get a potential great player that can contribute now, and for the next decade. Think Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Amare, Kobe, Anthony, Chris Paul, Deron Williams etc.,

If we have a chance for a potentially great player (I think Maynor, Ty Lawson, Griffin and Thabeet are best bets in this draft). Any Great player that we can get in a trade are most likely getting $12~17 Million already, while Tough Juice is around $7~8mil. Somebody think Phoenix will take Antwann, Etan, and James for Amare? Maybe, but I doubt it. Maybe Carlos Boozer??


With everyone healthy, we need small pieces and adjustments (Shot Blocking-Rebounds, Assists-3 Point shooting), and we can get that from the Draft.

Have to admit that, unlike Duke, North Carolina always produces winners so Ty Lawson cannot be overlooked.

Posted by: liveride | May 6, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

If there's any chance we could get Bosh for our #2~5 pick packaged with Stevenson-James-Etan and move lower in the draft and still get Eric Maynor, that's a winner.

Posted by: liveride | May 6, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse


fishin41,

You do bring up really good points that it a concern for Wizards fans. I don't think Griffin will become a Kwame, Swift, etc but I don't know how soon he can make an impact to a team. Typically most forwards impact takes 3yrs, so the question for the Wizards is whether there looking to compete for a title now or wait 2 or 3 years to compete for a title. I'd always feel that if the Wizards happen to land a top 3 pick and are not confident with their position to trade it off for Chris Bosh. He is a young vet who can play defense, rebound and score inside all the things the wizards desperately need. Of course with any move the Wizards do will put them over the luxury tax. So the next step would be whether Abe Polin is willing to take the tax hit and keep the big three in addition to either the draft pick or the trade for a top player(s)

Posted by: rcnasa | May 6, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I think this trade is good. If we get the #1 overall we trade the #1 Pick plus Caron Butler and some bad contracts for
Chris Bosh, Jason Kapono and Toronto's #9 Overall

Posted by: ahmad_fattah | May 6, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Kwame Brown haha

Posted by: jercha | May 7, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

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