Draft Already Trumped By Trades

When the week began, I was expecting that today would be a wild, frenzied day for the Washington Wizards, with trade rumors swirling round, getting knocked down and going back around. But teams around the league couldn't wait until then to make major moves, with San Antonio making a roster upgrade with Richard Jefferson, the Hawks adding Jamal Crawford and Cleveland stealing the spotlight with the acquisition of Shaquille O'Neal.

Ernie Grunfeld ended all of that suspense on draft night for the Wizards when he traded out of the first round, deciding that Randy Foye and Mike Miller can do more in the short term than any of the prospects at No. 5 could've done for a team that has to win now with a steadily closing window.

Foye and Miller are expected to arrive today in Washington, where they will take physicals, meet with fans and the media and participate in some draft celebrations. Grunfeld and Coach Flip Saunders discussed the deal in today's story, but they had a lot more to say about this trade and the 2009 NBA draft.

The Wizards are reduced to just the 32nd pick tonight, but before going into a frenzy trying to figure out whom the Wizards could select in that spot, I decided to ask Grunfeld if they planned on taking a big man. Grunfeld started giving a pretty long, winding answer about how a second-round pick likely wouldn't help this team right away and then he finally said, "We might get out of it altogether."

After the last trade, the Wizards have way too many guards and you have to assume that they will try to package a guard with the second-round pick, or look to move one of their guards in the offseason. Mike James's expiring contract can still be had.

The Wizards failed to move DeShawn Stevenson in the trade with Minnesota after the Timberwolves requested Darius Songaila, even as they already are overloaded at power forward with Al Jefferson, Kevin Love, Mark Madsen, Brian Cardinal, Craig Smith and Shelden Williams on the roster -- before adding Songaila and Oleksiy Pecherov. Eight power forwards? As of right now, Etan Thomas is the only center on the roster, although Jefferson will likely play the position.

"We would've liked to keep Darius, but what we're getting in return is a pretty good return on what we had to give up," Grunfeld said. "We'll keep looking around to see if we can add someone else, but we feel comfortable about what we have currently and the depth of our ball club."

Grunfeld was asked directly if the acquisition of Foye was meant to serve as an insurance policy if Gilbert Arenas is unable to recover from his left knee injury. "We aren't concerned with Gilbert's knees right now," Grunfeld said. "Randy Foye is a good basketball player."

Saunders was excited about added Miller, who gives him several options on the floor. Saunders said he could play Miller anywhere from power forward to shooting guard, adding that Miller has some playmaking ability and can bring the ball up the floor from time to time.

He also mentioned that while Miller had what many considered a down year last year, he still shot 48 percent from the floor, 37.8 percent from three-point range and led all NBA guards in rebounding, at 6.6 per game -- which is more rebounds than any of the players the Wizards traded away (Thomas's career-high rebounds was 6.7 in 2003-04; Songaila averaged 2.9 last season and never grabbed more than 4.2). Miller also handed out 4.5 assists.

"No matter who we took at No. 5, that guy is not going to come in and start for us, when we we're healthy," Saunders said. "We get one guy entering his prime, another guy that is really just developing. They are a better fit for us."

Saunders cracked a smile as he considered the possibilities of a team that has so many versatile players -- Arenas and Foye can play one or two; Miller can play three positions, and Butler can play shooting guard and small forward; Andray Blatche can possibly play three positions. "This trade gives us more flexibility as far as how we want to play," Saunders.

I noticed that there is a perception out there that Wizards owner Abe Pollin is "cheap" because Grunfeld chopped off the $2.7 million price tag on the No. 5 pick and reduced the team's luxury tax penalty next season. Look, the Wizards are still going to have a payroll around $76 million and set to pay a heavy tax.

There is a difference between cheap and fiscally responsible. I'm not going to get into other moves the Wizards have made in the past, but this trade had nothing to do with Pollin being cheap. You cannot say that this move was motivated by saving money; not when you consider that the Wizards essentially traded four players (including the fifth pick) who weren't going to be part of Saunders's regular rotation next season for two guys who will. The fact that it did save him money was an added benefit.

By Michael Lee |  June 25, 2009; 10:15 AM ET
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So what if Foye has a GREAT year this year with the Wiz?

What if he plays out of his mind and then becomes a RFA and fetches a hefty contract offer from another team.

What do the Wiz do?

1)We match it and tie up even more money on a perimeter player to be a backup to GA, making it that much tougher to re-sign Brendan and/or go after a 2010 FA.

2)We don't match it and Foye basically becomes a 1-year rental to back up GA in return for the #5 pick.

The sad truth: If the Wiz want to get long-term value out of this trade, we need Foye to be an average role-player to back up GA so that we can re-sign him on the cheap as a RFA.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 10:36 AM

If this is the insider why does all the real news break in the national media??? Here is a list of SF/PF's the Wiz should pursure.
-- Matt Barnes
-- Channing Frye
-- Ime Udoka
-- Paul Milsap
-- Marcin Gortat...

If for no other reason the Wiz achilles heel was not scoring. IT WAS REBOUNDING! Save for AJ who else did board work.

Now, What does this trade say about Dom McGuire?

Posted by: jtrob_1 | June 25, 2009 10:46 AM

"Look, the Wizards are still going to have a payroll around $76 million and set to pay a heavy tax."

That's just sad. We probably have one of the thinnest front-lines in the NBA and we are over the luxury tax. A bazillion bucks locked up on guards/small forwards.

"We'll keep looking around to see if we can add someone else, but we feel comfortable about what we have currently and the depth of our ball club."

One of 2 things going on here.
(1)This might not be a lie, and Ernie genuinely feels good about the depth of this team. I don't even know what to say to that.
(2)He knows this teams is so ridiculously imbalanced, and the only way to adress it is to say that the emperor is fully clothed and outright lie and act like everything is OK.

My hats off to Ernie the Architect...

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 10:47 AM

this is a good, but not great trade for the wizards
foye can become a very good player for years to come if they can resign him next year
he probably wont score as much because he will have better players around him this year, but he is a better-than-average 2 guard

Posted by: mardiros | June 25, 2009 10:52 AM

Now we need to trade Stevenson and James, and get unrestricted free agents Drew Gooden or Anderson Verajao.

Posted by: liveride | June 25, 2009 10:59 AM

The Wizards need to get on the phone with the Clippers and see if they can either swap Mike James and Brendan Haywood for Camby or swap Mike James and DeShawn Stevenson for Kaman.

Posted by: sagerjf | June 25, 2009 11:01 AM

Here is a list of SF/PF's the Wiz should pursure.
-- Matt Barnes
-- Channing Frye
-- Ime Udoka
-- Paul Milsap
-- Marcin Gortat...

If for no other reason the Wiz achilles heel was not scoring. IT WAS REBOUNDING! Save for AJ who else did board work.

Now, What does this trade say about Dom McGuire?

Posted by: jtrob_1 | June 25, 2009 10:46 AM

Don't worry about our rebounding woes. We just brought in Mike Miller!! Besides rebounding does not fit into our philosophy. Our game plan is to start Gilbert, FOye, Caron, Miller and AJ and shoot 70% from 3-point line, so rebounding is irrelevant. It's a great formula for NBA success, eh?

If we can steal Paul Milsap, I would write a dozen posts praising Ernie Grunfeld's genius.

It says we are banking on McGuire to be the second-coming of Wes Unseld (but I won't hold my breath).

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 11:03 AM

There was a report in the Washington Times that the Wiz might trade the second pick in the second round for a veteran big man with Mike James going. I did some checking. The LA Clippers don't have a second round pick. They do have Marcus Camby and lack a point guard to back up Baron Davis who is often hurt. They can use help at guard. Marcus Camby would be very valuable to the Wiz because he can do lots of things like defend that the other Wiz can't. To make the trade work another guard such as Stevenson must be included. Marcus is old and in the last year of his contract, but I think he can still play and be a good influence on the young Wiz big men. The trade would likely be done during the draft depending on who is available at the second pick. The trade could be done before the draft also. Brian Skinner could also be thrown in by the Clips.

Posted by: JoeC2 | June 25, 2009 11:09 AM

"Now we need to trade Stevenson and James, and get unrestricted free agents Drew Gooden or Anderson Verajao.Posted by: liveride"

James is pretty much a man without a position. Stevenson is a different matter. I'm wondering how much of his struggle last year was based on his problems with his back. Nothing interferes with outside shooting like back spasms.

Looking at his first two years with the Wiz, he started every game, averaged 30+ minutes, 11 points, FG% in the low 40's, 3-point % around 39, 2.9 assists, 2.7 rebounds, only 1.3 turnovers... and took the opposition's best perimeter scorer. Plus earned repeated accolades from coaches as a 'warrior' -- an unappreciated one, possibly, but a genuine tough guy.

The question is, how close can he come to those performances in the coming season? Because if he can approximate that production in limited minutes, we need to keep him.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 25, 2009 11:12 AM

As far as rebounding goes, if we can get 7 from BTH, 9 from AJ, 6 from Miller (if he starts), 5 from Cb and 5 from Gil, we're good.

All of these guys have done this and are capable of doing it again. Looks like a team effort this year.

Posted by: original_mark | June 25, 2009 11:16 AM

I like the possibilities with the Clips but, have you taken a look at those contract numbers. Will the numbers work with either Camby or Kaman. I don't know. I know in order for this to have any chance of working at least one of(preferably both) Stevenson and James must go!

Posted by: jtrob_1 | June 25, 2009 11:17 AM

On Stevenson

"Looking at his first two years with the Wiz, he started every game, averaged 30+ minutes, 11 points, FG% in the low 40's, 3-point % around 39, 2.9 assists, 2.7 rebounds, only 1.3 turnovers... and took the opposition's best perimeter scorer. Plus earned repeated accolades from coaches as a 'warrior' -- an unappreciated one, possibly, but a genuine tough guy. "

The trade says that at minimum the front office believes that Foye is on target to be that guy today and has the potential to be much better.

Posted by: jtrob_1 | June 25, 2009 11:20 AM

"As far as rebounding goes, if we can get 7 from BTH, 9 from AJ, 6 from Miller (if he starts), 5 from Cb and 5 from Gil, we're good.

All of these guys have done this and are capable of doing it again. Looks like a team effort this year."

You need one rugged, bonafide rebounder to make this work. Detroit had Big Ben! That is the model flip is pursuing...

Posted by: jtrob_1 | June 25, 2009 11:22 AM

Last year this blog made it seem like it was a foregone conclusion that we would be trading out of the second round. This year the Wiz have two roster spots open and a need for big men... if they just sell the pick for cash I'm not sure the point of it all. Any ideas about what is on the table and the likelyhood that the Wizards keep this (directed at anyone actually plugged in)?

Posted by: wizfan305 | June 25, 2009 11:26 AM

"The question is, how close can he come to those performances in the coming season? Because if he can approximate that production in limited minutes, we need to keep him."

I disagree simply because, numbers aside, he doesn't really do anything that they can't can't from one of the other half-million guards they have on the roster. But between his health issues and the fact that, of all of the guards with a shot at being in the rotation he has the most cap unfriendly contract, he's easily the most expendable. on the flip side, the fact that the Wolves insisted on taking Songaila over Stevenson, despite the fact that they've got about 6 or 7 similarly-sized PFs already, is a pretty good indication of how wary teams are to take on Stevenson.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 11:28 AM

Samson151, Carlos Boozer must be wearing platform shoes. His height is almost 2 inches. I was wondering about that, too. You'd think that all NBA shoes would be the same height.

Posted by: original_mark | June 25, 2009 11:33 AM

EG hinted that the Wizards weren't done and needed to added a big man, although he mentioned it as a '4th or 5th' one. I find that hard to believe considering only Haywood is a legit NBA center at this point. I think that a 2nd trade is in the works to unload Mike James contract (even if that means parting with NY) to open up some cap space. The Cavs may no longer be as set on keeping Verajao at his asking price as a RFA. Drew Gooden would be another player the Wiz should consider as a FA to backup Jamision.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 25, 2009 11:35 AM

Both the Kaman and Camby trades for James and Stevenson or Haywood respectively work based on the realgm.com trade checker. The thought being we may have to actually give up Brendan to get Camby since both have expiring contracts. Kaman has 3 years left so he would be the easier to get but obviously less of a player. If we could manage to walk away with both Camby and Haywood it would be great but that is highly unlikely.

Then again, it is the Clippers so you never know.

Posted by: sagerjf | June 25, 2009 11:35 AM

"You'd think that all NBA shoes would be the same height."

Why would you think that? Not all NBA players wear the same make or brand of shoe. And it seems unlikely (and unnecessary) for the NBA to mandate a "heel height" for players' shoes. That's too much control freakishness even for Stern.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 11:35 AM

kalorama: "But between his health issues and the fact that, of all of the guards with a shot at being in the rotation he has the most cap unfriendly contract, he's easily the most expendable."

Yeah, he may be toast.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 25, 2009 11:44 AM

I applaud this trade... to make it a total A+, the Wiz have to use the mid level on one of the following: Pachulia, D Gooden, "Birdman" or Chris Wilcox...

Posted by: SkinzNWiz | June 25, 2009 11:45 AM

orginalmark: "Samson151, Carlos Boozer must be wearing platform shoes. His height is almost 2 inches. I was wondering about that, too. You'd think that all NBA shoes would be the same height."

I was mainly making fun. With all the obsessive attention to measurements, I think my agent would order me to wear a pair of Nike Lift-O-Lators with the pump-up heels on Combine day...

Posted by: Samson151 | June 25, 2009 11:47 AM

Super...we will score 110 points and get out rebounded by 20 boards a game and lose.

Can't wait for playoff time. One and done. If you can't rebound and tumbleweeds are on the court for defense...you're not getting past the first round of the playoffs.

Posted by: jdgreger@yahoo.com | June 25, 2009 11:49 AM

"You need one rugged, bonafide rebounder to make this work. Detroit had Big Ben! That is the model flip is pursuing... Posted by: jtrob_1"

You don't think Flip is trying to forget Detroit entirely?

Posted by: Samson151 | June 25, 2009 11:49 AM

EG (base on his record) never hesitates to pull a trigger on a trade that he thinks will be good for the team. I'm expecting another trade is underway to get the team additional big man.

Posted by: Dave381 | June 25, 2009 11:49 AM

Camby was acquired by the Clips for cap space and a choice of swapping second round picks. The Clips don't have a lot invested since this is the last year of his contract. Kaman has three years left on his contract but has a trade kicker in it. The Wiz probably don't want the extra two years on Kaman's contract if they desire to resign Haywood.

I would like to see Camby and Drew Gooden here next year as a free agent. It could be a very happy time for Abe.

Posted by: JoeC2 | June 25, 2009 11:53 AM

If Big Ern can't move James with #32 then how about trading the pick to Golden State for this young beast. He's already an NBDL all-star in his first year. He's a double-double machine with a 7' 3" wingspan.

http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/gamelogs.jsp?player=richard_hendrix

Posted by: elfreako | June 25, 2009 11:56 AM

Damn, Mike! If the Wolves didn't want DeShawn, who would? I mean they just gave up their backcourt and left only Telfair and Cory Brewer and STILL didn't want Stevenson! Is he considered cancerous at this point in his career? Is the only time he gets on the camera is when he's wearing a silly ass suit and tie outfit? If it comes to that, would Ernie and Abe just buy him out?

Posted by: CBell29 | June 25, 2009 11:58 AM

I believe the Wiz have a completely legitimate backup C in McGee. I simply loved the kid last year; he made breathtaking plays.

Is he raw? You bet. Did he get pushed around inside a bunch? Absolutely. But I was amused how some folks around here flayed him alive last year for that weakness, as if A) No one else on this team had defensive issues, and B) He couldn't possibly learn positioning (and how to beef up) with a year of experience.

The fact is that McGee gives the Wiz a very nice 1-2 punch at C (I hope their record last year put to rest the debate about Haywood's value as a player).

What Ernie needs now is a 4-5 combo player who plays tough defense and rebounds, and can slide to either spot if injuries or poor play necessitates it.

Posted by: keithward64 | June 25, 2009 11:59 AM

There is no way Mike Miller starts at the 2 guard, he's coming off the bench to give scoring and an offensive spark. Foye is clearly the starter at the 2. He is an almost equal shooter to Miller and much more athletic - his length mitigates his lack of height for a 2 the same way Gil's does. They can swap defensive roles back and forth easily. This is a great trade, it makes us more talented and a more cohesive unit. This draft sucks and we'd be very lucky to have someone develop into Foye's production in 4 years. We get that production now, and Mike Miller in exchange for DSong Etan Thomas and euro bench trash. You split it like that and either one of those trades is a no brainer, getting all of it is a steal. The only reason Foye was sent out by MN is hard feelings that McHale traded for him straight up for Brandon Roy when they were both drafted - he's no Roy, but he is clearly a very good player. We took advantage of their emotional baggage.

Posted by: cmo101 | June 25, 2009 12:02 PM

""You need one rugged, bonafide rebounder to make this work. Detroit had Big Ben! That is the model flip is pursuing... Posted by: jtrob_1"

You don't think Flip is trying to forget Detroit entirely?"


So basically you are saying if we get Camby or Ty Chandler (and they can stay healthy) the Wiz can hang with Shaq & Lebron or the Magic Kids? I am not sure but they sure would stand a better chance.

Posted by: sagerjf | June 25, 2009 12:04 PM

kalo,
I'm thinking that if the shoe is too high, the player would be more susceptible to ankle sprains because short and wide is more stable than tall and wide.

I guess I assumed (wrongly) that shoe manufacturers would figure out an optimal height and develop some kind of standard. Maybe we should have given Etan some of those platform 'Boozers' to make him a legitimate 7 footer.

Posted by: original_mark | June 25, 2009 12:14 PM

Stevenson's contract is not a big problem for the accepting team. He is due 3.9M this year and 4.1 M next year. He was a starter for the Wiz. For a team that needs guards (Clips) it isn't bad. The risk is Stevenson's health. If healthy he isn't a bad player. The Wiz don't need him now. McGuire can do the defensive stuff that Stevenson can do.

Posted by: JoeC2 | June 25, 2009 12:14 PM

"I'm thinking that if the shoe is too high, the player would be more susceptible to ankle sprains because short and wide is more stable than tall and wide."

All of which is taken into account when the shoes are designed. It's not like players are taking the court wearing platform heels. There's going to be variation from model and brand, but it's reasonable to assume that the variations all fall within acceptable limits for injury risk.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 12:18 PM

For a team that has had horrible injuries last year and over the years, it would be very unwise to assume that the four bigs the Wiz have will be healthy and out of foul trouble all the time. I don't think that the Wiz have a choice but to acquire at least 2 more if they want to have a chance. They will need someone big and strong to deal with or foul Shaq O'Neal.

Posted by: JoeC2 | June 25, 2009 12:23 PM

,i>"Stevenson's contract is not a big problem for the accepting team. He is due 3.9M this year and 4.1 M next year. He was a starter for the Wiz. For a team that needs guards (Clips) it isn't bad. The risk is Stevenson's health. "

They're not separate issues, however. His contract is fairly reasonable, if teams believe he's healthy and can contribute. But his history of injury issues (even prior to the back problem) and the questions regarding how he'll come back from the kind of major surgery that can shorten or end careers makes teams wary of how likely it'll be he will come back at all, let alone healthy.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 12:23 PM

"Stevenson's contract is not a big problem for the accepting team. He is due 3.9M this year and 4.1 M next year. He was a starter for the Wiz. For a team that needs guards (Clips) it isn't bad. The risk is Stevenson's health. "

They're not separate issues, however. His contract is fairly reasonable, if teams believe he's healthy and can contribute. But his history of injury issues (even prior to the back problem) and the questions regarding how he'll come back from the kind of major surgery that can shorten or end careers makes teams wary of how likely it'll be he will come back at all, let alone healthy.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 12:23 PM

isn't carlos boozer a FA? i know we're close to the cap, but any chance we sign him? i also heard chris bosch might be tradeable

Posted by: not1231 | June 25, 2009 12:25 PM

They're not separate issues, however. His contract is fairly reasonable, if teams believe he's healthy and can contribute. But his history of injury issues (even prior to the back problem) and the questions regarding how he'll come back from the kind of major surgery that can shorten or end careers makes teams wary of how likely it'll be he will come back at all, let alone healthy.


Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 12:23 PM


If we can't find a taker, I honestly see stevenson leading the league in DNP's next season. He's the new PJ Ramos.

Posted by: CBell29 | June 25, 2009 12:25 PM

Just got off the course and shot an
80 :(

Sorry I thought I was on facebook!

San Antonio making a roster upgrade with Richard Jefferson, the Hawks adding Jamal Crawford and Cleveland stealing the spotlight with the acquisition of Shaquille O'Neal... and the Wizards got Mike Miller?

Saunders cracked a smile as he considered the possibilities of a team that has so many versatile players -- Arenas and Foye can play one or two; Miller can play three positions, and Butler can play shooting guard and small forward; Andray Blatche can possibly play three positions. "This trade gives us more flexibility as far as how we want to play," Saunders.

In other words none of these players can play the position they should play very well. Why not start Gil, Foye, Miller, CB, and AJ since they are so "versatile"?


Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 12:26 PM

FIND A WAY TO GET UTAH'S MILLSAP

Posted by: slipperyrichard | June 25, 2009 12:40 PM

Mike,

I haven't seen anyone contradict themselves like you since reading Kal's posts!

You cannot say that this move was motivated by saving money....(even though) it did save him money and you won't even get into other moves the Wizards have made in the past?

I noticed that there is a perception out there that Wizards owner Abe Pollin is "cheap" because Grunfeld chopped off the $2.7 million price tag on the No. 5 pick and reduced the team's luxury tax penalty next season.

Mike,

Last years 5th pick (Kevin Love) made $3.1 million and the Wizards according to EG...might get out of the 2nd round altogether. Does that mean they sell their pick for cash like last year?

Why would anyone have the perception that Wizards owner Abe Pollin is "cheap"

By Michael Lee | June 25, 2009; 10:15 AM ET

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 12:40 PM

Why not now send Gilbert to the Suns for a big man - you know who!!

Posted by: rrlyon131 | June 25, 2009 12:41 PM

This trade is all about value... we got 2 very good players for bums & our #5... Songalia is the only player that we will miss a little at this time... now they just need a guy who will do the dirty work (defend, rebound, hard fouls, run down loose balls, etc) ... Someone earlier mentioned Birdman & if not him, someone like him... he plays hard & hustles, scores off loose balls... that's what the Wizards last missing piece to having a very competitive team.

Posted by: tony325 | June 25, 2009 12:44 PM

Somehow, we need a blockbuster trade a la Kevin Garnett to obtain Chris Bosh, and we be set like a jet..

Posted by: frak | June 25, 2009 12:45 PM

Taking Sangalia over stevenson is a right decision. stev, is injured, if he comes healthy he will remain to be a started.One of the new comers need to be considered in the trade for a big man.If we get camby with skinner for mike,second round pick and stevenson or foye(if stev is healthy)we will be one of the best 4 teams in the east.With improvment of JM and blache we could be fine in handling ohio 2 seven footers.

Posted by: gtefferra | June 25, 2009 12:47 PM

I like all this talk of trading for Camby. The Clips need to dump one of their big men anyway to make room for Griffin. James and Stevenson for Camby works on the ESPN Trade Machine. If they don't want DeShawn do James and Nick Young + Cash. Throw in the 2nd round pick for fun since they're not interested in developing any more players.

Posted by: thegoat26_ | June 25, 2009 12:49 PM

Cheap Abe paid 1 million for the club and now it's worth $353 million I think he can afford to go over the luxury cap once in his lifetime?

Spend some of the profits you've been getting over all of the years you didn't go over the cap. Sign a good big man for the full MLE and I will never call you cheap on this site again.

Now, if they go out and sign a sub par big man at the leauge minimum and sell the 2nd pick for ca$h, what does that tell you Wizard fans?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 12:51 PM

miller led all nba guards in rebounding and averaged 4.5 assists, people claiming the man is washed up and a scrub just don't know

Posted by: bford1kb | June 25, 2009 12:53 PM

"If Big Ern can't move James with #32 then how about trading the pick to Golden State for this young beast. He's already an NBDL all-star in his first year. He's a double-double machine with a 7' 3" wingspan."

Yes, Hendrix is an imposing physical specimen, and I was surprised he never got to play with the Warriors. But he's not their sort of player anyway.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 25, 2009 1:02 PM

I love the idea of getting Camby, as I've said before. ESPN mentioned that the Clips are looking to shed at least one oh their main big men from their roster this season. They'd like it to be Randolph, but nobody will touch him right now. So Camby looks to be the one.

At $10 mil, James and Stevensons' contracts match up, and actually save a tiny bit of money for the Clips.

Having Camby, Miller, and Foye, and Haywood all in their last year is a blessing in disguise. We can decide after the season which to resign. We might find that McGee progresses during the season enough, that Haywood is not worth resigning at $9 mill or more a year that he'll be asking for. In which case we can possibly resign Camby for a smaller figure then he makes now, since he will be 35 at the time.

If Miller and Foye excel on our team this season, and look to be good for years to come, we then would have Butler going into his final season. $9 mil, borderline All-Star, expiring contract. That's a majorly good trade asset.

Posted by: segastyle | June 25, 2009 1:05 PM

Absolutely right.

Adding Foye and Miller makes Nick Young expendable.

Young is another younger player who can score but doesn't look to pass or play any defense.

He would be better off on another club where he could develop his game further.

At the same time there are guys like Camby out there that could work under the cap if the deal is done correctly, and could help the team in 2009.

Posted by: leopard09 | June 25, 2009 1:08 PM

Someone wrote this earlier - very funny

"If this is the insider why does all the real news break in the national media???"

Posted by: nativedc | June 25, 2009 1:09 PM

I like the #32 pick and Mike James for CAMBY.........We have slept on Camby for too long. He may be skinny but is an absolute glass eater and a shot blocking beast at his age STILL !

He is just what we need........PF/C Combo who can gobble up rebounds and make people think twice about putting up shots in the paint. He is better than Haywood IMO.

Posted by: slipperyrichard | June 25, 2009 1:11 PM

BTW, ESPN also is reporting that Philly is making overtures to teams about Brand.

While I think theoretically he's a great fit for the PF spot for us, his health is still suspect, and his contract is large.

Posted by: segastyle | June 25, 2009 1:12 PM

bulletsfan78: "San Antonio making a roster upgrade with Richard Jefferson, the Hawks adding Jamal Crawford and Cleveland stealing the spotlight with the acquisition of Shaquille O'Neal... and the Wizards got Mike Miller?"

If you put it that way... no, you shouldn't.

Jefferson's a fine player, but what's Ginobili's status going to be next year? Is this a significant upgrade or an attempt to replace one of their anchor stars on the run?

I'm aware of coaches who for all his talent, wouldn't accept Jamal Crawford on a bet.

Shaq -- well, he's still a force, but a lot less of one than he once was. You wonder if they sent LeBron a wire saying, "See, King? We're really, really trying."

I dunno, Foye and Miller seem like as much or more of an upgrade as any of the others. And if Gilbert gets hurt, the Wiz may have hedged their bet as much as the Spurs.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 25, 2009 1:32 PM

sagerjf,

I think Kaman is the one Clippers likes to keep among Kaman, Camby and Randolph. They now have Griffin, they want to take care of the future. Kaman is the youngest and he plays center, can team up with Griffin.

BTW, salary-wise, James and Stevenson should be enough for Camby. No need and not wise to involve Haywood (since they are already thin on big man).

Posted by: sagaliba | June 25, 2009 1:36 PM

this trade shows a lot of confidence in mcgee and blatche. if they get another big man he would be the llth man and rarely play. maybe they trade blatche, one of the extra guards and the 2nd rd pick for a better rebounder who would be the 1st big man off the bench.

arenas
miller
butler
jamison
haywood

foye
young
mcguire
blatche
mcgee

crittendon
stevenson
james

Posted by: jnicol2 | June 25, 2009 1:36 PM

This trade was about Mike Miller and it was a great trade, Foye was an added insurance policy for Gilbert. I'm sure we will see Mike Miller in various positions on the floor cause havoc on the perimeter with his three point shooting. It's going to be an interesting season if everyone stays healthy.

Posted by: TJGodel | June 25, 2009 1:41 PM

kalo - if Stevenson's back surgery is such that he can't pass a physical, could the Wizards buy out his contract? If so, how much would that count against the Wizards salary cap? I couldn't see any team wanting damaged goods with two year left on his contract. At least James only has one year left on his big contract which makes him more desirable...

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 25, 2009 1:47 PM

Richard Jefferson to Spurs was a good trade..for the Spurs..

Posted by: frak | June 25, 2009 1:48 PM

"if Stevenson's back surgery is such that he can't pass a physical, could the Wizards buy out his contract? "

If it's determined that he's medically unfit to play and that the injury is classified as career ending, they can petition the league for a medical exemption that would essentially allow insurance to pay for the remainder of his contract and take him off their cap. At which point they'd waive him. But (as we saw with Darius Miles) if he recovers and signs on with another team between the time of the waiver and the expiration of his deal, the Wizards will be back on the hook for whatever salary he has left.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 1:56 PM

projected starting 5:

arenas
foye
butler
jamison
haywood

miller off the bench
crittenton
mcghee
mcguire

where does that leave nick young deshawn stevenson and andray blatche? on the short end of the stick in the wings ready to be traded for a chris kaman,carl landry type player

lets go wiz!!!

ps- brilliant trade by the way...foye could be an allstar
not too sure about mike miller but its a contract year so if he dont perform...peaceeeeee

Posted by: mrhney03 | June 25, 2009 2:02 PM

Getting Camby would make the team a legit title contender.

Giving up James, DSteve and this year's 2nd and next year's 1st sounds like a deal to me.

They are obviously trying to move one of their bigs with Griffin coming in. Ernie needs to make this happen.

Does anyone know of any other bigs that we could trade for?

And no Elton Brand doesnt count.

Posted by: DMoney28 | June 25, 2009 2:02 PM

Chris Wilcox ---> sign that man. And bring in Lonnie Baxter for a workout.

Posted by: AndrewDiceGoldsteinfeld | June 25, 2009 2:11 PM

I'd love to see Birdman land in D.C.
Gooden would be a nice addition, mayhaps Wilcox. I'd like to see us pick up Camby as well.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | June 25, 2009 2:20 PM

Can anyone spell out what the ramifications would be for the Wiz trading for Chris Wilcox?

What big men -- other than these -- can the Wiz REALISTICALLY go after?

- Wilcox
- Gooden
- Camby

Posted by: ntlekt | June 25, 2009 2:42 PM

Wilcox I think is a free agent, as is Gooden. Campy is the only one we'd have to trade for.

Wilcox, while athletic and a good finisher, never developed any offensive skillset. He had the tools but did nothing with them. And for people wanting a defensive player, he also never really showed much defensively since coming into the league. If we signed him, it would be as the 5th big.

Gooden is solid, no doubt, and would be a good stop-gap starter for a team that had no PF. I don't think that off the bench, however, he's really brings anything more than Blatche.

Camby would be a great addition. Especially if we only gave up James and Stevenson.

Posted by: segastyle | June 25, 2009 2:52 PM

in 08-09 the wizards were 26th on offense and 29th on defense the good news there are only 30 teams in the nba so they can only slip to 30th on defense and get into the top 10 on offense which means they will score about 115 points a game while giving up 130?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 2:54 PM

I still think they need to keep the pick and look at the following guys...

Jeff Pendergraph - 6'10" 240 - Ariz. St
Taj Gibson - 6'10" 214 - USC
Derrick Brown - 6'9" 225 - Xavier
Josh Heytvelt - 6'11" 246 - Zaga
Vyacheslav Kravtsov - 7-0 260 - Ukraine
Goran Suton - 6'10" 245 - Mich. St


Would love to see Millsap but I dont think we have the money to bring him in unless we can dump James and Stevenson for a pick next year and plan on offering him 9-10 mil a year.

Wilcox, no thanks. Career rebounding average of 5.3 for a guy that can jump like that? Thats a joke

Ernie needs to go get Camby!

Posted by: DMoney28 | June 25, 2009 2:59 PM

"If Big Ern can't move James with #32 then how about trading the pick to Golden State for this young beast. He's already an NBDL all-star in his first year. He's a double-double machine with a 7' 3" wingspan."

Yes, Hendrix is an imposing physical specimen, and I was surprised he never got to play with the Warriors. But he's not their sort of player anyway.

Posted by: Samson151

He was the 19th pick by the Warriors in last years draft and there is no big man at #32 that will be able to bang more effectively than he would next season. If we don't trade the pick for a veteran then get this kid.

Nellie has been known to wheel and deal on draft night. I bet he doesn't really have a role carved out for him with all the chuck and duck gunners by the Bay anyways.

Hendrix would be a nice bodyguard for Javale and could bang with Big Baby, David Lee and Maxiell. Hell, Ernie and Abe might save more money on this deal too. Aren't 2nd round salaries slotted as well?

Posted by: elfreako | June 25, 2009 3:05 PM

What big men -- other than these -- can the Wiz REALISTICALLY go after?

- Wilcox
- Gooden
- Camby

Realistically, they aren't likely to get any of those three.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 3:06 PM

He was the 19th pick by the Warriors in last years draft

in the round two.

Posted by: elfreako | June 25, 2009 3:10 PM

Super...we will score 110 points and get out rebounded by 20 boards a game and lose.

Can't wait for playoff time. One and done. If you can't rebound and tumbleweeds are on the court for defense...you're not getting past the first round of the playoffs.

Posted by: jdgreger@yahoo.com | June 25, 2009 11:49 AM


THANK YOU!

Sorry but Mike Miller's 3-point shooting and Randy Foye's ability to complement GA does NOTHING to address what has ALWAYS been the problem with this team - interior defense/rebounding/scoring.

Last season alot of folks talked about how much the Wiz missed Brendan Haywood - that's right! Alot of the pundits/fans were saying that missing BH was actually worse for this team than missing GA!

And so what is our big move? We talk about bolstering an already loaded backcourt and using Foye as "insurance" for GA...WHAT IF HAYWOOD GOES DOWN WITH ANOTHER INJURY????

And now we are giddy because we bolstered our backcourt

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 3:10 PM

THANK YOU!

Sorry but Mike Miller's 3-point shooting and Randy Foye's ability to complement GA does NOTHING to address what has ALWAYS been the problem with this team - interior defense/rebounding/scoring.

Last season alot of folks talked about how much the Wiz missed Brendan Haywood - that's right! Alot of the pundits/fans were saying that missing BH was actually worse for this team than missing GA!

And so what is our big move? We talk about bolstering an already loaded backcourt and using Foye as "insurance" for GA...WHAT IF HAYWOOD GOES DOWN WITH ANOTHER INJURY????

And now we are giddy because we bolstered our backcourt

How about you judge the offseason moves when the offseason is complete? Yeah the frontcourt is thin. Would u feel better if they had 7 big men and Gilbert and DeShawn got hurt again? Would you rather see a Mike James, Critt, Nick Young, Dixon backcourt? No you wouldn't you saw how it worked out last year. If they shore up the frontcourt later I'm fine. If they go into the regular season with this roster, then feel free to whine like a little baby bytch.

Foye and Miller cover the Wizards biggest deficiency: HEALTH. Especially with Gilbert and Caron.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | June 25, 2009 3:15 PM

I'd love to see Shaq and Bron Bron trying to defend Sheed and Mike Miller isolated on the pick and roll.

Camby might be a better defender then Sheed, but Sheed could give both Cleveland and Orlando fits with his ability to hit the long jumper off the pick and roll game.

If you have enough bodies to throw at Shaq that Sheed plays him fresh with fouls to give in the 4th. He'll make him a liability at both ends of the court.

Somebody compared Miller to Wally World, on a good team with a coach who knows how to work mismatches he's more like Turk-A-Louuu, as Barkley loves to say it.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | June 25, 2009 3:19 PM

SDMDTSU,
I agree with you. I think the odds of Gil missing games due to the knee is far more probable than B. Haywood missing due to repeat of injury.

Granted, the Wiz need more help down low, but the changes were needed and will give us the ability for sparks (i.e. Miller) that we haven't had since Mason.

And Foye will serve as insurance for Gil's knee and he'll make an outstanding starting SG.

Miller had more rebounds last year from the SG spot than most of the big men for the Wizards, so he can contribute more than just at the 3 pt perimeter.

Posted by: Independent11 | June 25, 2009 3:22 PM

It seems to me Ernie will have a better chance of doing a deal today, before he uses that #32 pick, then he will tomorrow, once he's already selected someone. Since he's prepared to give up the 32 pick.

Come on Ernie, MAKE SOME CALLS!

This just in:
Amare To Golden State Being Discuss
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60076/20090625/amare_to_golden_state_being_discussed/

Posted by: Independent11 | June 25, 2009 3:27 PM

Staying with the hear and now portion of the debate...
I like this kid if he's on the board at #32:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19164

Posted by: elfreako | June 25, 2009 3:28 PM

elfreako,
Are you an 'insider' on that espn site? If so can you tell us what they say about:

Positives: Insider Only

Negatives: Insider Only

Summary: Insider Only

They're blocking the answers to these Qs (only for insiders).

His numbers seem respectable. Makes me wonder if he's getting discounted for having played four years in college.

Posted by: Independent11 | June 25, 2009 3:37 PM

I don't see a huge demand for either Gooden or Wilcox, but both would be good fits as backups at the 4 and add some inside scoring/rebounding. If neither has a deal in place, the Wiz should consider them for the MLE if they can create some cap space tonight by trading Mike James along with their 2nd rounder for future considerations. EG has all but said that there is no one at the 32nd pick that really excites him....I smell a 2nd trade coming.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 25, 2009 3:45 PM

How is trading this pile of garbage for 2 good players a bad trade? Is it better to have 3 guys 6'10 that all suck and wouldn't play anyhow? I don't understand the complaints. Its June. They have 2 roster spots and some tradeable assets. I'm one to think that the GM actually does know more than all the arm chair QB's out there who have absolutely zero experience in BBall mgmt aside from running their Franchise in NBA 2K10.

Posted by: unkonchus | June 25, 2009 3:48 PM

@ Independent

Here's the info from ESPN Insider:
Draft Projection: Late first to early second

Positives:

Pendergraph aims to rise in the Pac-10 this year.
(Harry How/Getty Images)

# Low-post scorer
# Good motor
# Really gets up and down the floor
# Long arms
# Developing perimeter game
# Good nose for the ball

Negatives:

# Good, but not spectacular, athlete
# Still raw offensively
# Needs to add strength

Summary: June 1 Update: Jeff Pendergraph received quite a bit of love from GMs. He measured out at a solid 6-10 and 240 pounds and showed a solid offensive game in the drills. A number of teams I spoke with said they thought he was a lock for the first round. Full Chad Ford draft notes story

Jan 2 Update: Pendergraph is having another solid season at ASU, but hasn't done enough to really crack the first-round bubble. He's a likely second round pick it appears.

Posted by: -CN- | June 25, 2009 3:54 PM

Vince Carter bout to get traded to the Magic!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4287197

Posted by: forbid | June 25, 2009 4:00 PM

The New Jersey Nets are in serious talks with the Magic about a deal that will send Vince Carter to Orlando for Rafer Alston, Tony Battie and Courtney Lee, two league sources told ESPN.com.

The talks have reached a point that a deal could be done by the end of the day Thursday, according to sources.

The trade would give the Magic even more star power on their quest to win an NBA championship. The addition of Carter to a lineup that already consists of All-Star players Dwight Howard, Rashard Lewis and Jameer Nelson would make Orlando the favorite to win the Eastern Conference title next year if the franchise also finds a way to bring back Hedo Turkoglu, who will opt out of his contract this summer.

As for the Nets, the move is a cost-cutting measure. Both Alston and Battie are in the last year of their contracts, and trading for them would shave $16.5 million off New Jersey's roster in the summer of 2010 and put the Nets well below the salary cap.

The deal, if completed, would also give the Nets a young, promising shooting guard in Lee.

Chad Ford covers the NBA and NBA draft for ESPN Insider.

Posted by: anacostia85 | June 25, 2009 4:08 PM

How about you judge the offseason moves when the offseason is complete? Yeah the frontcourt is thin. Would u feel better if they had 7 big men and Gilbert and DeShawn got hurt again? Would you rather see a Mike James, Critt, Nick Young, Dixon backcourt? No you wouldn't you saw how it worked out last year. If they shore up the frontcourt later I'm fine. If they go into the regular season with this roster, then feel free to whine like a little baby bytch.

Foye and Miller cover the Wizards biggest deficiency: HEALTH. Especially with Gilbert and Caron.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | June 25, 2009 3:15 PM


What I "feel free" to do is express my thoughts about how the roster currently stands based on the moves that have actually happened so far.

I've said a half-dozen times that if Ernie makes some other move to bring in a legit post player, I'd be happy to write a poem in his praise.

Until then, I'm not excited about having a billion $$ tied up on a bunch of guards and small forwards.

I won't praise Ernie for getting rid of Etan, Pesh and DSong, when he picked/signed those guys.

Why is "getting insurance" for Gilbert such a big concern to begin with? Because Ernie was stupid enough to hand him $111 million while he was still on crutches for a 2nd knee surgery.

And if GA goes down, Foye does not "cover" that injury, unless you seriously think he can step in and provide for this team what GA gives it. There is no such thing as "covering" for Gilbert. That's like the Lakers bringing in Larry Hughes and saying he's going to "cover" in case Kobe goes down.

And when the Wizards are %100 healthy there biggest actual deficiency will be what it has always been - interior rebounding/defense/scoring.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 4:14 PM

The New Jersey Nets are in serious talks with the Magic about a deal...

The salaries don't match up.

Posted by: djnnnou | June 25, 2009 4:19 PM

How is trading this pile of garbage for 2 good players a bad trade? Is it better to have 3 guys 6'10 that all suck and wouldn't play anyhow? I don't understand the complaints.

Posted by: unkonchus | June 25, 2009 3:48 PM

No. It's better to have a team built with balance.

Why should Ernie get praise for piling up garbage, then dumping it? Pesh was his pick. He gave Etan and Song those contracts. So we took 2 steps back and now took 2 steps forward...whoopdedoo, open the champagne.

The complaints come when you take step back and look at the big picture and realize this team still has all the fundamental flaws it had when the 3 "All-stars" were at their peak, but still couldn't get past the 2nd round.

So while you throw the confetti over the acquisition of a couple more guards, I'm still wondering how we think we're gonna get to the Finals with these guys.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 4:20 PM

That's like the Lakers bringing in Larry Hughes and saying he's going to "cover" in case Kobe goes down.

And when the Wizards are %100 healthy there biggest actual deficiency will be what it has always been - interior rebounding/defense/scoring


well i have to disagree with the notion that if gilbert went down, foye filling in is the equivelant to hughes filling in for bryant...1 because bryant is the best player in the game and only Lebron James could probably...probably fill his void in terms of production.
Now..foye has to be in the right system but i feel he can be as good as brandon roy. Brandon roy was surrounded by better talent(aldridge,batum,pryzbylla,outlaw etc) while foye was just surrounded by jefferson and telfair..

players in the right system can blossom, like rip hamilton with the pistons, jermaine oneal with the pacers, Caron Butler in washington.

with that being said i think foye can definetley drop 20-25 ppg given the green light (if arenas went down) people still dont understand we have not had a good back court sine hughes left for cleveland.

arenas/foye is than whatever we had this year. and since Gilbert will not be the old gilbert cos of the injuries physically, we can only hope mentally he will get better, trust flips' system and share the ball with foye,butler,jamison etc..

Posted by: mrhney03 | June 25, 2009 4:24 PM

For those saying "get Camby" you have to remember that both he and Haywood are in contract years. Both are also used to starting. Acquiring Camby is asking for chemistry problems. And the Wizards would be fools to trade Haywood to get Camby because Camby is on the downside of his career. Camby can still block shots but at this point Haywood is the better on-ball defender and will also likely be more durable in the longterm.

And for those saying the Wiz should sign somebody, remember that this team is already over the luxury tax and will have a number of free agents of their own next summer. Maybe they haven't put saving money at the top of their priority list but they aren't spending like drunken sailors either. Free agents, unless they are near the minimum, are probably out of the question.

Lastly, any deals involving Mike James or Crittenton or even Nick Young will likely involve players with expiring contracts for the same reasons described above. If they can include Stevenson then it's a different story. But the list of players they are probably looking at are veteran, end of the bench type of bigs who have very short contracts.

Posted by: LyricalRico | June 25, 2009 4:25 PM

The New Jersey Nets are in serious talks with the Magic about a deal that will send Vince Carter to Orlando for Rafer Alston, Tony Battie and Courtney Lee, two league sources told ESPN.com.

If this trade is true why didn't EG offer Critt, Nick Young and AB for Carter? That way they could have kept their draft pick and drafted someone who could some day be as good as Foye?

If the Wizards are commited to playing no D and hope their O is good enough to win a championship I would take Carter points over Miller and Foye?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 4:29 PM

Ernie,

Are you watching what is going on with the other East teams?

These GM's are going by you like power forwards went by AJ last year?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 4:30 PM

Yeah, Camby will be good. Unfortunately, Clippers is not likely to give up a expiring contract (Camby) for part exipring contract (James) and part 2yrs (DSteve) unless they really like either James or DSteve. Besides, DSteve just come back from surgery which also adds some qustion marks on him.

Posted by: sagaliba | June 25, 2009 4:30 PM

-- "And if GA goes down, Foye does not "cover" that injury, unless you seriously think he can step in and provide for this team what GA gives it. There is no such thing as "covering" for Gilbert. That's like the Lakers bringing in Larry Hughes and saying he's going to "cover" in case Kobe goes down." --

I guess it depends what you mean by "step in" for Arenas. Will Foye get 29 points a night? No. But perhaps, if Arenas misses another season, Foye could give 20 points a night (assuming he continues to improve at the rate he has).

Perhaps Miller makes up the discrepancy, or perhaps some of the younger guys start to contribute more.

The point is without some kind of backup for Arenas, and he misses again, you are looking at another 19 win season. Foye is more of a sure thing (when compared to who they were looking at at #5).

With Foye as insurance for Arenas, with these starters:

PG Foye
SG Miller
SF Caron
PF Jamison
C Haywood

They will definitely get into the first round.

Without Arenas and without Foye, they'd likely win 19 games, just like last year.

They've improved. Now to get another big guy in the paint ... Unfortunately, not every opportunity presents itself in the order you might like. If no team would give a superstar PF for the #5, then the question is "where else are we weak, so we can still potentially fill a huge gap?"

They did exactly what they should have. Miller is good for between 6 and 7 rebounds per game. With that, maybe they can find a bit less than an Amare Stoudemire and still become a serious contender.

Posted by: Independent11 | June 25, 2009 4:35 PM

One thing that also has to be considered is that after missing two years due to a knee injury, Arenas will likely have lost some of his explosiveness.

In all likelihood, he won't be score first, distribute second player he used to be. If his two games at the end of last season were any indication, he might be getting 10+ assists per game, and score more around the 20 range.

A different Arenas creates an opportunity for a talented SG (i.e. Foye, Miller).

I, personally, doubt Arenas will be able to pick up where he left off -- with that driving, scoring explosiveness. I believe he's already said as much. He plans on distributing more.

Posted by: Independent11 | June 25, 2009 4:44 PM

"The point is without some kind of backup for Arenas, and he misses again, you are looking at another 19 win season. "

Unless the backup PG is an All-Star caliber player who can potentially put up 30 per game, then they're sunk if Arenas goes down no matter who his backup is. That was true last season (when people blasted Pollin for not going over the luxury tax to sign some scrub off the scrap heap) and it'll be true next season. It'll continue to be true until they get another player aside from Arenas who can carry a team with his scoring. But the simple fact is that they were never going to get that with the #5 pick, either in the draft or the trade. Grunfeld made a good deal that improved the team's depth and talent and gave up little to do it/ Does it make them instant contenders? No. Does it make them better. Absolutely.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 4:52 PM

But the simple fact is that they were never going to get that with the #5 pick, either in the draft or the trade.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 4:52 PM

I am sure the people in Miami are glad Ernie wasn't their Gm in 2003 he would have passed on Dwyane Wade?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 5:00 PM

Knicks just traded for #29 pick.That means they won't be interested in Wiz's #32... or will they?

Posted by: sagaliba | June 25, 2009 5:04 PM

Read a report that the Wiz are trying to package our 2nd round pick with Mike James for a big man. I would package the 2nd round pick w/ Mike James in exchange for a candy bar...anything we get in return is GRAVY.

Posted by: Barno1 | June 25, 2009 5:05 PM

Does it make them instant contenders? No.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 4:52 PM

I am sure the Wizards are happy they are paying you to post their views on here. Even they know they aren't contenders!

But like you said they are better which should get them into the playoffs and it will out fans in the seats and the most important factor money in the old mans pocket!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 5:06 PM

"I am sure the people in Miami are glad Ernie wasn't their Gm in 2003 he would have passed on Dwyane Wade?"

Name one player in this draft who compares favorably to Dwayne Wade.

"I am sure the Wizards are happy they are paying you to post their views on here."

I'm equally sure they'd be happy to pay you to keep your views to yourself. if not, I'm sure most of the people who post here would gladly take up a collection to get you to go away.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 5:10 PM

Specifically, one player who compares favorably to Dwayne Wade that the Wizards would have had a shot at getting with the #5 pick.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 5:11 PM

Foye gives us insurance in case Gil goes out for a week or two with a sprained ankle or something. With Foye, we can go, say, 4-4 or 5-3 instead of 1-7 while Gil is out. Those extra wins can be the difference that gives us home court advantage and allows us to advance in the playoffs. Foye's ability to step in also give Gil the luxury to get fully healed instead of trying to rush back prematurely.

Posted by: yop32 | June 25, 2009 5:23 PM

I'm equally sure they'd be happy to pay you to keep your views to yourself. if not, I'm sure most of the people who post here would gladly take up a collection to get you to go away.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 5:10 PM

Abe is too CHEAP and couldn't afford to pay me!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 5:27 PM

"Just got off the course and shot an
80 :(

Sorry I thought I was on facebook!"

LOL!!! Bulletfan78, you are hilarious!

Great trade by the Wizards, can't wait to see what is next.

Posted by: JohnWWW | June 25, 2009 5:29 PM

not sure if he will be a dwayne wade, but tyreke evans will become a very, very good player in the league

Posted by: jasonma1 | June 25, 2009 5:34 PM

Posted by: wiz_fan | June 25, 2009 5:45 PM

"For those saying "get Camby" you have to remember that both he and Haywood are in contract years. Both are also used to starting. Acquiring Camby is asking for chemistry problems. And the Wizards would be fools to trade Haywood to get Camby because Camby is on the downside of his career. Camby can still block shots but at this point Haywood is the better on-ball defender and will also likely be more durable in the longterm." - LyricalRico

Haywood is only sometimes used to starting, and he's never averaged even 28 minutes a game. In fact, only twice has he managed to even hit the 24 minute mark. That's only half a game.

Camby may be on the downward side of his career, but Haywood, even in his best season, hasn't even approached Camby's contributions. The only thing Haywood has over Camby is size and 5 years. But he's not as skilled of a defender, rebounder, or scorer.

I'd prefer to keep Haywood and add Camby, thereby using both at the 5 spot and Camby at the 4 spot sometimes even. If I had to choose just one for next season, I'd take Camby. I wouldn't worry about the years after next, because there's no guarantee that the Wizards are even going to try and keep Haywood. He's an average player, at best, who sometimes tries hard, and sometimes doesn't. He would really have to show us something this year if he wants a new contract worth anything more than he's getting now.

Posted by: segastyle | June 25, 2009 5:47 PM

"Funny all I see is u yakking MeC88 all the time - right Jannie Brady?
As to DS - as a sucka, u should know that there is 1 born every minute.

Posted by: Rocc00 | June 25, 2009 11:07 AM "

Yeah, I za sucka...a sucka on yo momma's potatoes...feedbags...milkjugs...tommy knockers...hooters...

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 6:00 PM

"First in regards to the Wizards drafting Kwame over Gasol. EG was not the GM. Unless I misunderstood your point, the point you made was irrelevant.

Second, did the Lakers need Kwame to make the Gasol trade work? would the grizzlies still have made the trade if Butler was in there instead of Kwame?

Lastly. You make the point that gasol played a huge role in bringing a ring to la. You also say that Caron is a great individual player but was not enough to bring the wizards to the playoffs.

All you've proven is that gasol can contribute to a championship team and that Caron is not good enough to lead a team from the bottom all the way to the playoffs without a supporting cast. There's no evidence that we should have held on to Kwame in there. No evidence that it wasn't a good trade.

Maybe LA had a better trade (maybe??? highway robbery...), but that doesn't diminish the quality of the trade EG made.

Posted by: crs-one | June 24, 2009 11:19 PM "

First, I never said that EG drafted Kwame. I said Les BouleS drafted Kwame. Everybody knows that MJ and Dougie drafted Kwame, but of course, it was Abe who hired both.

Again, I said the trade for Caron was good by EG, but people need to get off that "good" trade because it hasn't resulted in much Les BouleS success. In contrast, the Kwame for Gasol trade has yielded dividends.

All you've proven is that you can copy my words and say that I have proven what I wrote, but with regards to you, I can't return the same sentiments except that you're right that I'm right.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 6:06 PM

Yeah, I za sucka...a sucka on yo momma's potatoes...feedbags...milkjugs...tommy knockers...hooters...
Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 6:00 PM

Weak @ss - If you are going to go there don't forget my entire male clan's c0c0's too you ghey tw@t.
So suck on that moooslimz.

Posted by: Rocc00 | June 25, 2009 6:08 PM

This team can win 45-50 games, if they add two big men ,they could pass to second round.To pass boston,ohio and magic we need a real PF.The goal is to be at the top of the mix(piston, Miami,Atlanta and 76ers)If they get home court advantage against the above mix , it is the best achievment, probably might advance to second round .

Posted by: gtefferra | June 25, 2009 6:14 PM

Camby would be a real good addition. Salary wise James and Stevenson for Camby does work. We could also include our 2nd round pick (32) and rights to Veremeenko.

Don't know if that's enough. But he'd be great as a big time rebounder and defender, an experienced vet, and someone who can run and fit in an uptemp run and gun style which seems to be what we're going for.


Posted by: Darnell1 | June 25, 2009 6:17 PM

I would include lottery protected 1st next yr too if needed to get it done.

We'd keep our entire young group of Foye, Crittenton, Young, McGuire, Blatche and McGee to go with a solid core of vets in Arenas, Miller, Butler, Jamison, Camby and Haywood.

Posted by: Darnell1 | June 25, 2009 6:33 PM

James and Stevenson for Kaman would also work too btw.

Posted by: Darnell1 | June 25, 2009 6:37 PM

The Draft starts in less then an hour...I can't wait to see who the Wizards draft with the 5th pick? I'm sorry they drafted a 29 year old white guy who can't play D and a guy who scored 14 pts on a team as bad as the Wizards were last year?

I guess we can wait and see how the other GM's in the east con other teams out of their all stars and see who we will sell our second pick too.

What a night!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 6:48 PM

JohnWWW,

Finally someone on here that has a sense of humor....it's only a game people.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 6:53 PM

Bring BACK KWAME!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Chocolate_City | June 25, 2009 7:00 PM

Can Bulletsfan78 really be that much of an idiot. Or does he just like to be a jerk and watch the reaction? Ernie has been great since he got here and this was a great trade. I hope he gets a chnace to make another move soon.

Posted by: MDterpfan | June 25, 2009 7:41 PM

1. Griffin
2. Thabeet
3. Harden
4. Evans
5. Wizards could've had Rubio.

Fire away.

Posted by: KeithMcMillan | June 25, 2009 7:59 PM

WE COULD HAVE HAD RUBIO OR CURRY WIZARDS SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO EYE FOR THE FUTURE JUST LIKE THE SKINS DAMNIT!!!!

Posted by: anacostia85 | June 25, 2009 8:05 PM

First, I never said that EG drafted Kwame. I said Les BouleS drafted Kwame. Everybody knows that MJ and Dougie drafted Kwame, but of course, it was Abe who hired both.

Again, I said the trade for Caron was good by EG, but people need to get off that "good" trade because it hasn't resulted in much Les BouleS success. In contrast, the Kwame for Gasol trade has yielded dividends.

All you've proven is that you can copy my words and say that I have proven what I wrote, but with regards to you, I can't return the same sentiments except that you're right that I'm right.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 6:06 PM

Seriously?

I realize you said the Wizards, not EG, drafted Kwame. The conversation was people knocking EG for a bad trade, and people defending EG and citing the Kwame trade. My contention is that the Wizards drafting Kwame says nothing about EG, making it a complete non sequitur.

As for making dividends, that is an accurate observation. But each trade was one piece of a team. In the Wizards case, the rest of the team was in shambles. It doesn't compare.

Furthermore, just because the Lakers made a good trade doesn't speak for EG's skills in the slightest. So when people say "EG is a good GM...look at the kwame trade," to reply by saying "yeah well, look what the lakers did with kwame" is a complete false comparison.

Posted by: crs-one | June 25, 2009 8:05 PM

All I was saying, kalo_rama, is that it was possible that Rubio could fall to #5. I know, according to you, that made me an idiot who fingered himself - but now I guess I'm a correct idiot who fingered himself. And all I was saying is don't be so dismissive of others' ideas. It WAS possible for Rubio to slip to 5. And, oops, he did.

Posted by: Urnesto | June 25, 2009 8:26 PM

"Furthermore, just because the Lakers made a good trade doesn't speak for EG's skills in the slightest. So when people say "EG is a good GM...look at the kwame trade," to reply by saying "yeah well, look what the lakers did with kwame" is a complete false comparison.

Posted by: crs-one | June 25, 2009 8:05 PM "

It's not a false comparison. It's a valid comparison.

Les BouleS got Caron for Kwame.

Lakers got Gasol for Kwame.

People thought the Lakers got duped by EG for the trade.

In fact, LA was just temporary for Kwame, as the Lakers eventually got Gasol, and now have championship glory.

What do Les BouleS have?

Another year of misery.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 9:12 PM

"Weak @ss - If you are going to go there don't forget my entire male clan's c0c0's too you ghey tw@t.
So suck on that moooslimz.

Posted by: Rocc00 | June 25, 2009 6:08 PM "

Word to your momma...that ho.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 9:12 PM

Dujuan Blair is still on the board!!!

One more pick and he could be ours.


I don't understand all the defensive weakness talk in regards to our trade. Who did we give up that provided much of anything in this regard. We basically gave up nothing for something. It we be nice to have Songalia still as a backup PF, but he was not locking anybody down. Pech simply did not play and neither did Etan the last couple of years. So, although we were suspect defensively before this trade, the trade did nothing to change this one way or another.

Posted by: rphilli721 | June 25, 2009 10:34 PM

How do we NOT take Blair with our 2nd pick?

Unbelieveable.

Posted by: original_mark | June 25, 2009 11:17 PM


IS EVERYONE WATCHING AND LISTENING?...

I SAID 2 DAYS AGO THE ERNIE GRUNFIELD IS AN IDIOT!...

HE FIRST DISPLAY HIS STUPIDITY BY GIVING AWAY THE 5TH PICK...

THEN WE SAW HOW DUMB HE IS BY NOT PICKING DEJUAN BLAIR WHEN HE FELL RIGHT INTO OUR LAP!...


BUT WAIT!...THERE'S MORE!...THEN HE DRAFTS A NOBODY GUARD FROM CENTRAL FLORIDA AND TRADES HIM FOR CASH?...

SO BASICALLY, NO PICKS IN THE FIRST 2 ROUNDS...

WHY DON'T YOU JUST QUIT NOW ERNIE BEFORE THE SEASON STARTS AND SAVE EVERYONE THE HASSLE OF FIRING YOU LATER... YOU IDIOT!...

ABE POLLIN IS A CHEAP YOU KNOW WHAT!...

HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT WINNING...HE JUST WANTS SOME CASH!...

SELL YOUR SEASON TICKETS FOLKS...

THE WIZARDS ORGANIZATION DOESN'T WANT TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP, THEY JUST WANT TO WIN 40 GAMES A YEAR AND BE MEDIOCRE...

I FEEL BAD FOR THE PLAYERS, BECAUSE MANAGEMENT ISN'T HELPING THEM AT ALL!...

THIS IS THE THIRD YEAR IN A ROW THAT ERNIE HAS WASTED GOOD DRAFT PICKS...

A EURO BUM 3 YEARS AGO THAT NEVER MADE THE SQUAD...

A DRAFT PICK THAT THEY GAVE TO BOSTON LAST YEAR FOR GUESS WHAT...CASH!

AND THIS YEAR'S FIASCO...NO DRAFT, JUST CASH!...

GUESS WHAT ERNIE, WE HAVE 7 GUARDS ON THE ROSTER...

LOOKING FOR A GOOD POINT GUARD ERNIE?...

YOU COULD HAVE HAD RUBIO AT #5...

ERNIE YOU STINK!...

GO BACK TO MILWUAKEE!

Posted by: docdwb | June 25, 2009 11:23 PM

Can someone explain the cash considerations trade? Why not pick up another big body that had a shot to push for back up minutes...maybe a rebounding specialist. Are they going to make a splash for a C/PF Free Agent or trade?

Posted by: bermudml | June 25, 2009 11:52 PM

Chill out people....another trade is coming. The cash just gives us more room as to who we can trade for. Mike James, Stevenson, and maybe Nick Young are all trade bait, we'll be looking at a new veteran C or PF in the next few weeks.


However, if we dont do that, then I'm no longer a fan.

Posted by: Gtown87 | June 26, 2009 12:41 AM

I agree with you Gtown87 if Ernie doesn't bring in a proven PF then he should be FIRED and Abe HAS to sell the team. I just don't know why he made a deal two days before the draft. Imagine how many teams would have been on us knowing that Curry and Rubio were still on the board we could have got a lot more than just Foye and Miller

Posted by: svafai2000 | June 26, 2009 1:01 AM

I saw some of the Foye strengths and he likes to stop and pop 3's a lot just like miller and I don't see him play much d?? When you have young Critt, Young, Stevenson why get another gaurd?

Posted by: svafai2000 | June 26, 2009 1:04 AM

It's not a false comparison. It's a valid comparison.

Les BouleS got Caron for Kwame.

Lakers got Gasol for Kwame.

People thought the Lakers got duped by EG for the trade.

In fact, LA was just temporary for Kwame, as the Lakers eventually got Gasol, and now have championship glory.

What do Les BouleS have?

Another year of misery.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 9:12 PM

Again, that's working off the assumption that they needed kwame to make that deal work.

Posted by: crs-one | June 26, 2009 3:08 AM

"However, if we dont do that, then I'm no longer a fan.Posted by: Gtown87"

Are you going to turn in your beanie?

Posted by: Samson151 | June 26, 2009 7:18 AM

i luv rasheed's talent, but he is missing something: part of a brain. to the individual who wants to trade haywood for camby: marcus IS a damn good player, but he's also five yrs older than haywood, and has consistently been out of the lineup in his career. if not mistaken, this was brendan's first extended injury. i do expect a serviceable power forward free agent to be picked up. ours doesn't have to be a high scorer. he does need decent hands, some size and a good ft%. we can reach or better .500 next season with the current players PLUS a consistent frontcourt play off the bench. yes, i do think we shoot too many 3's but if noone is injured, out top 8-9 can win their share of games and perhaps even surprise us.
foye crittenton?
arenas young
butler miller
jamison blatche or mcguire
haywood mcgee

WHERE is the BIG MAN coach?

Posted by: dcjazzman | June 28, 2009 2:27 AM

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