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Wizards Watch as Free Agency Begins

The NBA free agent negotiation period begins at midnight but the Washington Wizards aren't expected to be much of a player from the outset. As Coach Flip Saunders said last week at the news conference to introduce Randy Foye and Mike Miller, the Wizards will add the equivalent of five free agents next season with the acquisitions of Foye and Miller and the return of injured players Gilbert Arenas, Brendan Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson.

The Wizards currently have access to the midlevel exception ($5.6 million) and the bi-annual exception ($1.99 million), but any spending this summer will have to take their high payroll into account. Entering the free agent period, they currently have the third-highest payroll going into next season at around $75.8 million. The Wizards trail only the New Orleans Hornets and the Los Angeles Lakers (who are surely going to top the list if they sign Lamar Odom, Trevor Ariza and Kobe Bryant, if the Finals MVP opts out).

Who would've thought we'd reach the day when the Wizards have a higher payroll than the New York Knicks or Cuban Era Dallas Mavericks? That will change with summer signings and trades, but for now, it's pretty amazing.

The salary cap figure won't be announced until July 8 and it is expected to be lower than last season, when the hard cap (luxury tax level) was $71.15 million (the salary cap was $58.68 million).

The Wizards won't be targeting any of the bigger name free agents -- Carlos Boozer, Ben Gordon, Hedo Turkoglu, David Lee, Shawn Marion, Ron Artest, Paul Millsap, Odom and Ariza -- and will probably fill their need for a veteran big man later in the summer. Some of the top free agent big men include Rasheed Wallace, Antonio McDyess, Zaza Pachulia, Drew Gooden, Chris Wilcox, Channing Frye, Joe Smith, Stromile Swift, Chris Andersen, Rasho Nesterovic, Mikki Moore and Shelden Williams.



By Michael Lee  |  June 30, 2009; 12:08 PM ET
 
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Comments

McDyess or Camby would be great.

Posted by: Fontana1 | June 30, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Villanueva was not tendered an offer by the Bucks, he should be available.

Posted by: rickgonz | June 30, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Michael,

Good honest post... The Wizards currently have access to the midlevel exception ($5.6 million) and the bi-annual exception ($1.99 million)... but... The Wizards won't be targeting any of the bigger name free agents.

If the old man wants to win a championship take advantage of the full MLE and sign a proven winner.

The "modern" NBA salary cap began in 1984-85 and considering this is the first year the Wizards are over the luxury cap, the other owners (who were willing to take a chance to win a championship) have subsidized Cheap Abe for 25 years!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 30, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't want a big-NAME free agent.

I want a big. PF or C. Even the run and gun Suns had Amare.

Posted by: mabkhar | June 30, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Camby would be a great addition and would be my first choice because of his D.

McDyess concerns me because of his knees though he has been healthy lately.

After that I would probably go with Wilcox (local UMD product)

Posted by: m1ke3i6 | June 30, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Wilcox...is number one for me. He shoud come cheap too.

Posted by: lemekdivine | June 30, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

gortat, birdman, mcdyess, or zaza would all be solid additions, gooden I guess is ok but rememeber he and deshawn are beard growing boys, part of that wacky chemistry we don't need I'd pass

Posted by: bford1kb | June 30, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Somebody mentioned Brandon Bass is available. If he indeed is that will be my top one. He's what the team is lacking. Younger and cheaper compared to others as well.

Posted by: Dave381 | June 30, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

what about the birdman?!?!?

Posted by: Bigmon411 | June 30, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Kal, I finally reached the conclusion that most every one else here has already reached.

While everyone else here offers opinions, you speak as though you are the authoritative source when in fact (because of your arrogance and refusal to acknowledge the validity of any opinions other than your own) you're even less informed that we are.

To know that we know what we know, and that we do not know what we do not know, that is true knowledge.
- Thoreau

The bottom line is ...you're a dik.

Posted by: original_mark | June 30, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Dave381,
Agree with you on Bass. He is available, but would likely garner the full midlevel exception.

I would also endorse 'Sheed if he and Saunders don't have any lingering bad blood. He is a great post defender, can play with his back to the basket, and can really shoot it from anywhere.

Who is a better post defender/rebounder, Wilcox or Frye?

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | June 30, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Abe needs to not be cheap and grab Charlie Villanueva before Cleveland does. I think he would work well in Flip's system. If not try and trade for Camby.

Posted by: t1205 | June 30, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

id go with gooden; mainly because he isnt a nutcase, he doesnt shoot jumpers, dribble around, make stupid dumb passes, he can block or alter shots with the second unit(certainly capable of being a starter on a championship contending team), grab rebounds, hustle, get energy baskets and most importantly..he knows his role, and the reason why he is getting paid, hes not a confused "big" man like Andray the dwarf Blatche, plus hed come relatively cheap(like the sound of that abe?) he has good character and would fit along well with the players already on the team. did i mention he would know his role? come in provide 20 minutes of energy, thunder dunks, solid D a couple steals and blocked shots, i wont be mad at all.

id take wilcox after that because he knows his role too. but first would be Gooden

and flip...please dont use debrick stevenson in ur rotation..he will get you fired by the am if u do..

Posted by: mrhney03 | June 30, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

okay maybe a hyperbole on championship contending teams but you get the jist of what im sayin right guys?

Posted by: mrhney03 | June 30, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I would throw the mid-lvel at Gooden or Birdman. Gooden would provide more offensive punch off the block which is something we lack. Birdman would bolster rebounding and D. Either way, Ernie should target one of these guys with that mid level.

If McDyess would come here on a 2 year deal that would be the perfect fit. He's the rugged post presence that we have been missing.


So my wishlist would look like this:

1. McDyess
2. Gooden
3. Birdman

I wouldnt mind seeing Joe Smith finish his journey around the league back in the metro area. He's still a solid player off the bench.

Posted by: DMoney28 | June 30, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

whoever is the best rebounder that's available and fits within our "price range" grab that guy.

Personally, I think the Wiz should do whatever is necessary to secure David Lee (suck it up and pay the luxury tax). I think he is the missing piece to make the Wiz a legitimate title contender. Call me crazy, but I really do.

Posted by: jansjay | June 30, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I've said it before and I'll say it again: go after Artest. HARD! He is exactly what the Wiz need: toughness and a fierce defender. Historically, he has given LeTravel problems (as much as anyone can) and he would lead (defensively) by example. If you're going to suck it up and pay the luxury tax, go get HIM!

Posted by: therearenonamesleft | June 30, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Unless Villanueva's just way outside our price range, we NEED to look at him as the #1 option right now!

Forget about McDyess...Wilcox would be a good add!

Posted by: msveasey | June 30, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Unless Villanueva's just way outside our price range, we NEED to look at him as the #1 option right now!

Forget about McDyess...Wilcox would be a good add!


Charlie V. Does play in the box that much as is not a aggressive rebounder..he is more in the mold of AJ which we don't need more of... that way I want Wilcox


Posted by: lemekdivine | June 30, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

mike lee,

u can't count gil's injury as a reason why the wiz didn't do well, and at the same time say he's the equivalent of a free agent addition. injuries happen. gil and his contract were as much a part of this team as aj last year.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it ironic that the Wizards have the third highest payroll in the NBA and yet even Brendan Haywood himself admitted that the team is probably no better than fourth in the Eastern Conference IF healthy.

Posted by: leopard09 | June 30, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

and haywood's a moron for thinking they're that good!

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

None of you are reading the post. The Wiz are not going to pay $5+ million, which is doubled in luxury tax land. On a more realistic note, why not go after Pops (restricted). He puts up numbers similar to the Birdman and supplies great energy and hustle and should come much cheaper than the others who would be on our wish list if we could spend like the Knicks of old.

Posted by: mickeyb | June 30, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Kal, I finally reached the conclusion that most every one else here has already reached.

While everyone else here offers opinions, you speak as though you are the authoritative source when in fact

original_mark

You have to understand the Wizards pay kal to post their opinons on here. They need someone to defend what they do...or should I say...what they do not do!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 30, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Gooden's the best fit for what we need..a low post scorer, rebounder, and defender who knows his role. For those who remember him torching AJ in the playoffs, he's the exact type of PF not on our current roster. Villanueva is more talented, but plays too much on the perimeter and is not a physical player. Wilcox would be another alternative. Camby and McDyess are both 35+ and will want to play on a championship contender like Boston or San Antonio - they won't play here even for more money.

Since the Wiz are already paying the luxury tax, why not make a bold move and sign a good FA bigman while some are on the market? Next year we'll have multiple expiring contracts (Miller, Foye, James, Haywood) so that we'll be back below the luxury cap tax which we are already going to be paying this year. Mr. Pollin is in poor health and it would be nice to see the Wiz go all out this year.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 30, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

McDyess is too old and he can't jump more than 2 inches now. Stay away from him like a hot potatoe because he cannot help us and would just take time from the rookies while not having the speed or hops to do anything but foul and miss shots.

Posted by: liveride | June 30, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

the wiz haven't finished higher than the 4th seed since 05-06 season. during that span they've dipped as low as the sixth or seventh seed. last year they only won 19 games. what about mike miller and foye gives me the confidence that the wiz can go from the third worst team in the league to one of the top 16?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

We need a bruiser inside that can crash the boards and grab a ton of rebounds. A guy that is committed to rebounding and is not afraid to mix it up.

Someone like Dejaun Blair from Pitt......oh wait :-(

Posted by: jdgreger@yahoo.com | June 30, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Moron Bulletsfan78 why do you insist in showing your ignorance? You obviously does not know one iota of what it takes to run a professional basketball team, so shut your trap and stop the insults to the best sport owner this city will ever know; Mr. Pollin is the one who subsidized the city of Washington with professional sports so morons like you can have an outlet for entertainment.

Moron bulletsfan78 = A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education.

Posted by: opita1 | June 30, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Charlie V is a poor man's Twan....He doesn't mix it up inside....NO

Wilcox is a 6'10 athletic freak who will be like 45 years old until he understands the game. The guy plays like a small forward....NO

Get Camby...the guy knows defense and how to crash the boards.

Posted by: jdgreger@yahoo.com | June 30, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Now we need the Big(s) for Defense and Toughness as well as get rid of James and Stevenson. These Bigs fit the bill (I'm not sold on Wilcox yet, but included him here):

*Charlie Villanueva (6’11”, 16.2ppg, 6.7rpg, 83.8 FT%) Mad Dog qualified

*Drew Gooden (6’10”, 11.0ppg, 7.1rpg) Big Dog qualified

*Anderson Verajao (6’11”, 8.6ppg, 7.2rpg) Mad Dog qualified

*POPS Mensah-Bonsu (6’9”, 5ppg, 5.1rpg) Mad Leaper qualified

*Fabricio Oberto (6’10”, 2.6ppg, 2.6rpg, 57fg%) Smart Dog qualified

*Chris Wilcox (6’10”, in 2008-2009 only played 25 games with averages of 5ppg, 3.3rpg, 52.7 FT%)


Posted by: liveride | June 30, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

no e on potato mr. vice president

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

The bigger question is where will mike james contract get traded to and who is going with him.

That being said they should try to sign brandon bass with the mid-level then go after a veteran (old) center with the biennial.

Also Mike Ruffin is a free agent, im just saying.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | June 30, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

"While everyone else here offers opinions, you speak as though you are the authoritative source . . ."

This from the guy who's spent the last week authoritatively claiming to know more than 30 NBA GMs and team doctors about what kind of shape DuJuan Blair's knees are in and what kind of NBA player he'll make. Whatever. Experience tells me that when people go to the "oh yeah, well you don't know everything" attack, that's it's pretty much always a cover for running out of ways to defend their position with any real evidence or facts. Of course, you ran out of those a while ago, which leads me to wonder: What took you so long?

BTW (and I'm sure this will come as a shock) the world doesn't actually owe you any capitulation to your opinions. You want someone to give ground and agree with you? Offer a good enough argument to convince someone. When you do, I'll happily say "good point." But so far, on this Blair thing, you haven't even come close to making one. And getting all huffy and name-calling doesn't change that.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Pollin is the one who subsidized the city of Washington with professional sports

Posted by: opita1 | June 30, 2009 1:47 PM
please explain how he did this. was it the free land for the stadium? or the profits from concerts,sporting events,wrestling matches, and the circus being held in his stadium, for a small fee of course. how did polin subsadize washington sports.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

he only owns the wiz and last time i checked they stunk.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"McDyess is too old and he can't jump more than 2 inches now."

He hasn't been able to jump since he had knee surgery 5 or 6 years ago, but he's still an effective player. but it's moot, because given his age, he's most likely only still playing to chase a title, which means DC isn't on his destination list.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, had to recheck this and though he can't jump, he gets the Job done ala a freaky bulls/pistons product (also had to add the Birdman but would we have to go to the games with that haircut?? - yes if he helps us win:):

*Antonio McDyess (6’9” 9.6ppg, 9.8rpg, 51.1 FG%)

*Chris Anderson (BirdMan) (6’10”, 6.4ppg, 6.2rpg, 54.8 FG%)

Posted by: liveride | June 30, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Bass is legit. And he is only 24.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Bass

Posted by: Cartaldo | June 30, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I hope EG moves soon.
Requirements for the all important big man role:
1/ brings energy and tough defense
2/ a mad rebounder
3/ skilled and wise enough that he can't be left alone on offense
4/ a young vet who is not a headcase, is good in locker room and understands his role and wants to take a team over the top

I think #4 is just as important-the right attitude and a hunger to succeed with the ability to blend in on and off the court. I am not sure if that is Birdman, Lee Bass, Gooden, or Camby but that should be the criteria. for some reason Bass has always intrigued me, He may be best choice. I don't think the Stoudemire or Bosh ideas work unless Jamison is used rather than Butler. I doubt if that happens though.

BmoreRev

Posted by: stanlong23 | June 30, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

"Agree with you on Bass. He is available, but would likely garner the full midlevel exception."

I think he can be had for less. He made less than $1 mill last season (in his 4th year), and while he played well, his numbers weren't eye-popping. Factor in the down economy, with teams likely spending more conservatively on any players who aren't "stars" (and some who are, or think they are) and I think the market value for a guy like Bass will be lower than the full MLE.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"Brandon Bass is legit. And he is only 24."

Huh. I would have thought he was at least 2 or 3 years older. Another reason for him to make the Wizards' shopping list.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

OK here’s the expanded list with commentary:


*Charlie Villanueva (6’11”, 16.2ppg, 6.7rpg, 83.8 FT%) Mad Dog qualified but reputed to be lazy

*Drew Gooden (6’10”, 11.0ppg, 7.1rpg) Big Dog qualified, not mean but he shoots and scores and get mad offensive rebounds

*Anderson Verajao (6’11”, 8.6ppg, 7.2rpg) Mad Dog qualified but cannot shoot

*POPS Mensah-Bonsu (6’9”, 5ppg, 5.1rpg) Mad Leaper qualified, crazy on offensive boards

*Fabricio Oberto (6’10”, 2.6ppg, 2.6rpg, 57fg%) Smart Dog qualified, takes charges, rebounds and plays decent D

*Chris Wilcox (6’10”, in 2008-2009 only played 25 games with averages of 5ppg, 3.3rpg, 52.7 FG%) As someone else mentioned, plays like a small forward and still doesn’t understand the game, plus he’s injured most of the time.

*Antonio McDyess (6’9” 9.6ppg, 9.8rpg, 51.1 FG%) He can win as well with us as Boston or Detroit

*Chris Anderson (Bird Man) (6’10”, 6.4ppg, 6.2rpg, 54.8 FG%) Freak Show, what’s not to like at 3mil/yr?

“Potato”

Posted by: liveride | June 30, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Exactly, kalo. McDyess hasn't been able to jump for the last five or six years and he's still been an effective player. Kind of like DeJuan Blair might end up being. Just saying if McDyess has overcome his awful vertical, Blair possibly could, as well. One of your criticisms against Blair was his awful vertical. Well, here's Mr. McDyess, who you say can't jump but was still effective. Now, I know about the disparities in height and weight, but it does go to show you that having an enormous vertical does not prevent you from being an effective ball player.

Posted by: CDon | June 30, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"Just saying if McDyess has overcome his awful vertical, Blair possibly could, as well."

McDyess is 6' 9." Blair is (generously) 6' 6". Without hops, there's no good way to overcome that.

Also, McDyess was already an established NBA vet and All-Star when he had his knee injuries, so it wasn't so much a case of "overcoming" as it was adapting his topflight NBA proven NBA game to his new limitations. Blair doesn't have the kind of talent that McDyess had coming out of college, so he lacks another element that would allow him to overcome his height and athleticism deficit.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I love how ernie was so cautious about dejuan blairs knee surgeries from like 6 years ago but he signs a billion dollar contract to gilbert fresh off two knee surgeries who coincidentally needed a 3rd right after he signed.

THIS TEAM PEAKED MAY 5TH 2006 WHEN GILBY CHOKED ON THE FREE THROW LINE. BLOW THEM UP ESPECIALLY GILBERT.

Posted by: jdgreger@yahoo.com | June 30, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

McDyess. McDyess. McDyess.
Going for it means taking a realistic perspective. They need him. Bring Jamison off the bench but play him 30 mins a night - just no the first five or last five.
If Wiz don't have a real defensive rebounder and veteran defender down the stretch (Jamison is neither and don't give me his rebounding stats). Start Foye alongside Gil.
Bench is Jamison, Miller, Stevenson, Blatche and McGee.
That is a real team. Why spend 76-plus million to bucks to fall just short? Get McDyess, give him the extra year to come here if need be. Get it done.

Posted by: BigWesGoingToTakeA | June 30, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

"Antonio McDyess (6’9” 9.6ppg, 9.8rpg, 51.1 FG%) He can win as well with us as Boston or Detroit"

Not a title he can't.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

"Now, I know about the disparities in height and weight, but it does go to show you that having an enormous vertical does not prevent you from being an effective ball player."

It only shows me that you weren't paying attention all the other times someone else tried the same kind of comparison to no avail. As I've already said, a lack of great athleticism can be overcome by any of a number of qualities. Problem is, Blair lacks most of those qualities as well as great athleticism.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Kal, I finally reached the conclusion that most every one else here has already reached.

While everyone else here offers opinions, you speak as though you are the authoritative source when in fact (because of your arrogance and refusal to acknowledge the validity of any opinions other than your own) you're even less informed that we are.

The bottom line is ...you're a dik.

Posted by: original_mark

//////////////////////////////////

Kal is definitely a "dik".

On this plus side, his opinions are well-thought out and informed.

On the negative side, he has no tact, and he lacks the cojones to admit error.

I definitely wouldn't say that he's an apologist for the Wizards front office though.

A couple months ago he was razzing their dismal future prospects, and the potential pursuit of Rubio. He's been consistent on that point (e.g. that the team either needed to blow up, or to add veterans. My recollection though is that he was saying that PG was the least of the Wizards worries).

As far as this issue goes, I'll give credit where it's due -- Kal threw out the idea of Brandon Bass -- I'd say that's reasonable.

McDyess would be my top pick. Chris Wilcox could be good as an option, but I'd put him as more of a default option depending on price and the availability of other options.

Posted by: JPRS | June 30, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Like BMore Rev's criteria for a bigman and also hopes EG doesn't wait until there are nothing left but scraps. Cleveland has already said they will re-sign Verajao and Oberto has a heart condition, so I'd cross them off the list. McDyess is an old 35 with a history of knee problems...don't see him as a fit. Gooden is a solid, fairly young veteran who fits the bill. He had some nice years in Cleveland but was the odd man out when they traded for Wallace. He would allow us to cut AJ's minutes to 30-32 per game and give us an inside scorer we lack.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 30, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if this guy has been mentioned:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=2750

He's a restricted free agent but I think $4 million over 2/3 years could get him aboard once all the big names go and the dust settles.

The Wizards would be his 5th team in 7 seasons but he does rebound well and shoot 50& from the field and 80% from the line.

Posted by: elfreako | June 30, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I don't think they will get McDyess. Gooden is not the answer.
One player they may realistically consider is Shelden Williams. He can rebound and muscle bigger players but he can't score worth a lick.
Wilcox would be a complete mistake. Another guy who doesn't do what he is supposed to which is get on the glass like it's a religion. He wants to float and show his skills. This team has that in droves. They need someone who defends and rebounds first, last and all the time.

Posted by: BigWesGoingToTakeA | June 30, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Sheed or Gooden

Posted by: ged0386 | June 30, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

@ Kalorama,

Its funny how ppl used to accuse you of being Ivan Carter. Now they accuse you of working for Ernie...

Is there little to no chance of us landing McNice? List your top 3-5 players u would like to see us pursue via trade/FA signing. And keep in mind we are trying to make it to the Conference Finals AT LEAST this season...

Posted by: prescrunk | June 30, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

THIS TEAM PEAKED MAY 5TH 2006 WHEN GILBY CHOKED ON THE FREE THROW LINE.
Posted by: jdgreger@yahoo.com | June 30, 2009 2:08 PM

real talk jd

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I think Ernie is gonna get someone at least 6'10", broad and a banger. Someone who doesn't have to score or rebound just spell BH for 12-15 min/game & play 6 fouls worth of D.
But please not Ruffin. Been there done that.

Posted by: VBFan | June 30, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Moron Bulletsfan78 why do you insist in showing your ignorance? You obviously does not know one iota of what it takes to run a professional basketball team, so shut your trap and stop the insults to the best sport owner this city will ever know; Mr. Pollin

Posted by: opita1 | June 30, 2009 1:47 PM

While Jack Kent Cooke was the owner of the Redskins, Cooke's team won three Super Bowls?

But you're right Abe won one in 40 years, he has to be the better owner? I would put him just ahead of Robert Short, but since you said you "have a mental age of from 7 to 12 years" you might not be old enough to remeber that name!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 30, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

si.com's rumors have villanueva high on cleveland's list.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

"si.com's rumors have villanueva high on cleveland's list."

I can see that. With Shaq coming to town, a PF who can stretch the defense and help free up space inside is a big priority.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

opita1

"You obviously does not know one iota"

I tell it like it is if you don't like it don't read what I write. If you want to start getting personal bring it on....I would ask kal first since he learned you cannot hide from the truth.

Have Abe sell the team, I am sure Ted Leonsis (I would prefer Ravens Owner Steve Bisciotti) would buy it and than maybe the Wizards could win a championship? But as long as there are fans like you who will give your money to Abe he has no reason to sell.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 30, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

The team needs to add a proven winner (like how the Spurs added Robert Horry) someone who can teach these guys what it takes to win a championship. Almost everyone knows the owner, gm, coach and the players don’t know how?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 30, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Bass, 6'8", avg 4.5 rebounds in close to 20 min. Doesn't sound like that good a rebounder.

DeJuan Blair probably would have been cheaper.

Posted by: sagaliba | June 30, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is forgetting that we have back up power forwards, but we have no back up center. Who is going to guard Shaq or Dwight Howard when Brendon is in foul trouble or injured? AB or JM? I don't think so...

The focus has to be on a back up center, not all these back up power forwards most people are listing.

Some PF's can guard Dwight Howard to some extent. That was one of Songalia's abilities despite all the disparagement he recieved on this board.

Posted by: MeviousMan | June 30, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

"As far as this issue goes, I'll give credit where it's due -- Kal threw out the idea of Brandon Bass" - JPRS

He actually wasn't he first person to mention Bass, but he was the most recent, and perhaps the most vocal about it. He even mentioned that someone else had previously mentioned Bass when he first brought it up.

Personally, I'm tired of people bashing each other and holding grudges. I'd prefer it if everyone just focused on arguing other people's points. No one is going to win an argument that is at least half about opinion.

Posted by: segastyle | June 30, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

no doubt blair, a 2nd rd pick, woulda been cheaper than bass. possibly better too. we as fans will be forced to be satisfied with whatever substandard big man we bring in this season. we can only hope for major changes next summer, b/c this team isn't winning it all this season and a lot of contracts come off the books next year.

maybe we could pull a minny next summer and try to dupe some team into taking jamison and another avg player for a 1st rounder.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"Who is a better post defender/rebounder, Wilcox or Frye?" - ZardsFan1

Neither is that great at that combination.

Posted by: segastyle | June 30, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

"Who is a better post defender/rebounder, Wilcox or Frye?"

I'd rather have Jeff Foster.

Posted by: djnnnou | June 30, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Frye is really a wing player offensively and not very good defensively. Wilcox has a great PF's body and athleticism but little discernible skillset. He's a hustle, energy guy who's still getting by on the promise of "upside" that it looks like he isn't likely to realize.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"I think he can be had for less. He made less than $1 mill last season (in his 4th year), and while he played well, his numbers weren't eye-popping. Factor in the down economy, with teams likely spending more conservatively on any players who aren't "stars" (and some who are, or think they are) and I think the market value for a guy like Bass will be lower than the full MLE." - kalo_rama

A lot of those factors may come into play, but he is definitely seeking the mid-level exception. The Dallas Morning news, in an interview with his agent, reported so:

"Bass will be seeking the mid-level exception."- The Dallas Morning News (http://bit.ly/19B0u0)

I think signing him for the full mid-level is a tough call. It would be fine for next season, as we're not bringing in 2 guys each at half the mid-level that are going to do a ton for us next season, but a long term mid-level contract could hurt us 2-3 years from now. I guess when thinking about signing him is is there anyone else out there worth the full mid-level who could help us more over the next 2 seasons?

If Grunfeld could pull something out of nothing, and nab Bass AND someone like Camby in a trade or Wallace in a sign-and-trade, we'd be as set as we possibly could be next season without blowing up the team.

Posted by: segastyle | June 30, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

And not that it really matters at all, but I never said I was the first person to bring up Bass. Someone else mentioned him once, but in the rush to tout the virtues of big-name, overpriced, aging has-beens and undersized unproven wannabes, no one else picked up on it.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

very little options huh guys?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse


This was expected. With the Wizards trading to 2 players in exchange for the 5th pick plus contract dumps. The Wizards have already made their off season moves. Plus let's not forget any big name player coming to the team will be A.)Be too expensive and B.) won't get much playing time with Gil, Caron and Jamison in the line-up. So please let's not come up with the super impossbile trades because it is not happening.

I would like to see Rasheed Wallace on the squad, but he's probably not coming to DC to be a backup and wants to play for a champion team. I see him going to Orlando or Miami. My guess Ernie's first duty is to try and move Mike James then as Mike Lee said wait until later in the free agency to get a guy like Joe Smith, Mikki Moore or MyDycess. Big spending isn't happening with this team. Esp when they've already spent a lot last season.

Posted by: rcnasa | June 30, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

You guys think Detroit would be interested in trading Jason Maxiell for cap space (Mike James)?

Then we'd still have our MLE, our bi-annual, and the option to bring VV over on a rookie minimum deal for insurance.

Looking at the way his minutes and production declined from 07/08 to 08/09, he may not be in Detroit's long term plans...

Posted by: jones-y | June 30, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

"Bass will be seeking the mid-level exception."

There's a huge difference between seeking and finding.

Speaking of which, according to earlier reports, Rasheed will be seeking $8 mill next season.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Maxiell is too up and down for my tastes. He definitely provides some of what the Wiz need, but he was very uneven last season (although some that could be a result of having a head coach (since-fired ) who had no idea what he was doing).

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

kinda like nick young and taps?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I would love the idea of Maxiell coming here, but on second though, I think I'd rather have a big 7ft body with good position defense and 6 fouls to go along with a stopgap PF, than a moster PF to go along with a stopgap C.

That's a more pressing need for us, if we want any realistic chance at getting past either Cleveland or Orlando

Posted by: jones-y | June 30, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"kinda like nick young and taps?"

No, because even when he was being yo-yo'd out of the lineup, Maxiell always gave effort, even when the effort didn't yield results. Young couldn't ever be counted on to give effort.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Whatever they do, they definitely need to get rid of Mike James and DeShawn Stevenson! Neither play defense And, Haywood will definitely need help rebounding. A PF who is a good low post defender is what we need. Defense, defense, defense!!!!

Posted by: rcrosby10 | June 30, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

McDyess is 6' 9." Blair is (generously) 6' 6". Without hops, there's no good way to overcome that.-Kalorama

Blair's wing span is 7'2" his standing reach is 8'10.5", an inch or so more than Blake Griffin. That would compensate to some extent for no hops which for Blair are listed as standing 26" and 33".
Blair's major negative is that the Wiz's needs are now, depending on Blair being NBA ready is the stretch that he probably can't make.
That said, oddly enough, I think the Wiz might do well to go after Sean May.

Posted by: midlevex | June 30, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse


I would like to see Ernie trade Mike James for a second rounder and then later on in the season. They can package the second rounder plus Stevenson to get someone in return, in case off an injury to a big man again. It would make more sense than picking up every big name big man out there now. Because our problem is when the season starts, too many players get hurt and we struggle for the rest of the season. Trading Mike James for a late round draft pick and t

Posted by: rcnasa | June 30, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Whatever they do, they definitely need to get rid of Mike James and DeShawn Stevenson! Neither play defense

Posted by: rcrosby10 | June 30, 2009 3:54 PM

UR an idiot. Deshawn is the best defender on the team. Why do u think he is assigned to Kobe and LeTravel and Wade?? Do u even watch the Wiz?

Posted by: prescrunk | June 30, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"While everyone else here offers opinions, you speak as though you are the authoritative source . . ."


Kal i gotta agree. And i think i mentioned this before. You never state your own opinion you just ride off of others. And basically put people down with silly rhetoric and a bunch of insults. I wish you would just come up with your own opinions towards the washington wizards rather than balls surfing on everyone else.

Posted by: mrhney03 | June 30, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see Ernie trade Mike James for a second rounder and then later on in the season. They can package the second rounder plus Stevenson to get someone in return, in case off an injury to a big man again. It would make more sense than picking up every big name big man out there now. Because our problem is when the season starts, too many players get hurt and we struggle for the rest of the season. Trading Mike James for a late round draft pick and then packaging the pick, plus Stevenson would land a solid big man to help this team through the playoffs.

Posted by: rcnasa | June 30, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the Wiz would have to outbid Orlando for Brandon Bass as they have publically stated Bass is high on their short list of desired FAs.

Posted by: oddjob2 | June 30, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

tapscott

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

lilhollywood

Are you a fan of the Wiz? It sure doesn't seem like it.

All I ever see from you are negative posts. I dont get it. The offseason is a time to be optimistic, not overly negative.

If any other team in the league lost their best player (gil), starting center (haywood) and starting 2(Dsteve) for the majority of the season they would have been in the same spot we were last season.

Miller and Foye will be nice here. Foye will take over for DSteve at the 2 and Miller will be in the running for 6th man of the year. The 2009-2010 Wiz will feature the deepest, most talented bench we've seen since Ernie's been in control.

Think back to our recent playoff teams bench players...

07-08 -- Mason, AD, DSong, Blatche, Young
06-07 -- Hayes, AD, DSong, Etan, Ruffin, Booth, Donnell Taylor, Blatche
05-06 -- Hayes, AD, Etan, Ruffin, Storey, Booth, Taylor, Billy Thomas

Now look at 09-10

Miller, Blatche, McGuire, McGee, DSteve, Young, Critt, James

Much more talent & versatility and this is before any moves are made to bolster the front court.

Its time you found a new team to pull for lilhollywood. We dont need constant pessimists like yourself littering the board anymore.

Posted by: DMoney28 | June 30, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I don't always agree with kal's points, but at least they are well thought out and supportable. Regarding Bass, he's only 6 8" which means he'll be undersized even at PF. He has a good inside game and Dallas will likely do what they need to re-sign him, short of promising a starting job. I'd be surprised if would come here unless it was a multi-year deal for near the MLE which is risky considering our cap situation. I think Gooden is a better option if he'll take a shorter deal.

As for Abe Pollin, didn't he fork out $200M to build the Verizon Center which revitalized the downtown and gave us a place to watch the Wiz, Caps, Georgetown, concerts, etc.? Not sure how people can say he's cheap when he risked his fortune to build his own arena unlike the rest of the owners in town. I don't agree with all of the basketball moves he's made, but he's done a ton for this city through his philanthropy.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 30, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Young couldn't ever be counted on to give effort.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 3:52 PM

very subjective comment, as i shoulda expected from you kal. how many detroit games did u watch from start to finish last year?

i have some feelings about NY's focus and demeanor at time, but i can't say he didn't give any effort.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

my top 3:
1) Camby
2) Birdman
3) McDyess

All rugged defenders...wouldn't be mad with any of them...but I have to say I really love Birdman's energy, I'd be intrigued to see him in a Wiz uni...

Posted by: cedric_lockhart | June 30, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Drew Gooden is my favorite for the Wiz. How good would it be for the Wiz to have Gooden to help beat the Cavaliers at playoff time. He played pretty well against us. He has size, can rebound, is physical, and can score. We should not wait until later to get him. Gooden would be less threatening to Haywood since he wouldn't be competing to be the starting center. We should get him at the beginning of free agency if possible.

A trade for Marcus Camby would be great also.


Posted by: JoeC2 | June 30, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

bulets fan since the caps center. my fam moved to landover in 93, we lived around the corner from michael adams. i root for all my hometown teams regardless of record or playoff positioning. I saw all 19 wins last year and all 60-whatever losses.
The difference is that during the season you can watch a bad game and see that the guys are out there on the floor trying to win the game. Even when they are overmatched you can see the opportunity to win. This offseason showed me that the owner and gm are the ones whose effort needs to be questioned. On the other side folks yap about vinny and danny all day, putting their feet to the fire, and holding them accountable for the skins not winning it all since danny bought the team. what has grunfeld won us to earn this pass folks are giving him. I'm not negative i just took the rosey glasses off. 19 wins'll do that.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

NY's problem seems more like an on the court ADD to me...hopefully EG can move him before his value plummets even further.

Posted by: oddjob2 | June 30, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

how many detroit games did u watch from start to finish last year?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2009 4:08 PM

how many Wiz Insider message boards did u read from start to finish last year?


Kal is FROM DETROIT lol and knows more about the Pistons than anyone in DC

Posted by: prescrunk | June 30, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I agree with most of kalorama's points. I just detest the way he presents them and defends them. Me personally, I've decided not to participate in exchanges with him.

Posted by: jones-y | June 30, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz can ill afford to take a chance on a guy who is not legitimately 6'10" or taller. Small ball was fun, but the focus should be on sustainability in the playoffs

Posted by: SkinzNWiz | June 30, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Randy Foye and Mike Miller are the perfect pick ups for the Wizards this off season. Were gonna be back in the playoffs this year with our players returning and them as new members of the WIZ. Check out this video about Foye and Miller
http://www.comcastsportsnet.tv/pages/videoswizards

and Click on
Wizards: Dave Johnson talks with Randy Foye & Mike Miller--6/25

WIZARDS BABY

Posted by: twolf017 | June 30, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DMoney28 | June 30, 2009 4:07 PM

I've never once said i don't like the wiz or wouldn't support the wiz. however, just b/c it's the offseason doesn't mean you have to bite on every little piece of pr bait theyu throw at you. Mike miller and foye were traded to us b/c the 4th worst team in the league didn't want them anymore. why should i get excited bout that? is miller and all-star? was foye? 1st/2nd team all nba? all defensive team? These guys are proven as far as being able to play in a game and cash their chex.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

As for Abe Pollin, didn't he fork out $200M to build the Verizon Center which revitalized the downtown and gave us a place to watch the Wiz, Caps, Georgetown, concerts, etc.? Not sure how people can say he's cheap when he risked his fortune to build his own arena unlike the rest of the owners in town.I don't agree with all of the basketball moves he's made, but he's done a ton for this city through his philanthropy.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 30, 2009 4:08

It would be great if this were a philanthropy blog...but it's a Wizard blog and you have to admit the team hasn't done much in the last 30 years?

Abe Pollin, did spend his own money ($200M?) to build the Verizon Center and now the Wizards are worth 383 million!

He built the Verizon Center to make a profit like most people who start a business want to do. If the man was a saint like people on here make him out to be, why doesn't he open the doors and let the fans come and see the games for free?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 30, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

how many Wiz Insider message boards did u read from start to finish last year?


Kal is FROM DETROIT lol and knows more about the Pistons than anyone in DC

Posted by: prescrunk | June 30, 2009 4:16 PM

do you wipe his bum for him too? just asking b/c your smart a** d**k riding comment still didn't answe the question

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Let us not forget Gooden and DStevenson are good friends since their AAU days. The should be fined should they decide to grow beards again.

Posted by: SkinzNWiz | June 30, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

@lilhollywood

everyone on this board has had enough or ur rhetorical bombast. go play in traffic, fag. Kalorama owns u

Posted by: prescrunk | June 30, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

precum take it easy. i like the moxie but i'm not internet gangster. "stay classy san diego" apologies for my rhetorical bombast.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"Kal i gotta agree."

And I gotta say that I don't really give a rat's ass.

If you offer up an opinion in a public form created specifically for discussion on the very subject on which your opinion is offered, it doesn't take Nostradamus to predict that you run the risk of someone offering a dissenting opinion. If the prospect of having your opinions disagreed with is so untenable to you, feel free to keep them to yourself.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Channing Frye!!!!!!

The Wiz don't need a vet that wants or needs shots to be motivated. they need a younger energy guy to rebound and rebound and defend. he's not great at either but he has a strong all around game. Lastly, he seems the most realistic of the available. My second choice would be Wilcox. i think the Wilcox upside window no longer exist. he never developed an inside move or shot. He never seems focused for 48 minutes. So he is what he is and he is not going to give you more than that. His defense is lax, and he is not great on the boards either.

Posted by: oknow1 | June 30, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

"very subjective comment"

That's why it's called an opinion, Einstein.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

thx socrates

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"very subjective comment"

As opposed to the towering objectivity that goes into the slurping of DuJuan Blair? Please.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I can understand why so many people hate debating with kalo_rama: he actually makes reasoned points instead of simply shouting his ill-formed assumptions over and over again like a maniac. It's just not fair.

Posted by: IrenePollin | June 30, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

you have to understand the hole that washington basketball was in before grunfeld came in to gauge his effectiveness as gm, people actually think we're going to be good next year it seems, could you even imagine that being the case before ernie inked gil, caron and jamison? it's not like he hasn't made mistakes, etan's contract, letting mason go, drafting pech but look at those mistakes next to the guys he was able to bring in which took us from the perennial bottom feeder to a team that made the playoffs four straight years and yes having three of your five starters combine to play about 30 games almost all of which were 30 % shooting shooting guard you're team will be epically bad, the best offensive player and the two best defenders from the previous year being out would crush any teams hopes, making the playoffs is not a special thing though, now that we aren't the team that hasn't won a playoff game in twenty years it's time to take another step

Posted by: bford1kb | June 30, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I didn't like blair all last season that his brand of bully-ball wouldn't fly in the nba. all that being said, i thought that for a second rd pick he was worth the time to bring to summer league to see what he could bring to the team. Instead we filled the hole at pf with????????????????


Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

"I'd be surprised if would come here unless it was a multi-year deal for near the MLE which is risky considering our cap situation. I think Gooden is a better option if he'll take a shorter deal."

There's no way Gooden takes less money or a shorter deal than Bass. Gooden is the better, more veteran, more skilled player with a better resume. Bass is easily the cheaper option.

As for the cap situation . . . they're already over the luxury tax. And as long as Arenas and Jamison are on the books (and they re-sign Haywood and Butler when they come up) they're going to be well over the salary cap for the foreseeable future. They're well past the point where saving a few nickels is going to accomplish much. They're pretty much in all in or bust territory.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone can knock kal's knowledge of the game or the wiz but nothing but venom comes when trying to make a statement he doesn't agree with, if you let it bother you it's your fault, no one is entitled to having people on here act nicely or even be civil, but he adds a tremendous amount to the blog with the gritty detail he knows that even a self proclaimed passionate basketball fan such as myself can't touch, it is what it is

Posted by: bford1kb | June 30, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I think Gooden is the perfect fit. Maybe his friendship/beard contest with Deshawn lures him here? :) Birdman isn't going anywhere. He went to George Karl before last season and asked to play on his team. Denver is where he got sober and where he wants to stay. More power to him. I think Gooden has the size and the game that we need. The last thing we need is another undersized C/PF!

Posted by: C-dub703 | June 30, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

"Channing Frye!!!!!!"

"The Wiz don't need a vet that wants or needs shots to be motivated. they need a younger energy guy to rebound and rebound and defend."

Except Channing Frye does neither of those things particularly well. He does like to put up shots, though.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

How about this trade:

Marcus Camby for Mike Miller.

It works salary wise.

Does it make Wiz a better team? Yes.

Posted by: BigWesGoingToTakeA | June 30, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

chris wilcox is 6'10 and plays like 5'10.

i'm a terp but that dude hasn't evolved his game since freshman year at terps.

he needs to play in euro where he can run and dunk.

Posted by: jdgreger@yahoo.com | June 30, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

It would be great if this were a philanthropy blog...but it's a Wizard blog and you have to admit the team hasn't done much in the last 30 years?

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working off the assumption that you equate success with a championship...by my count, there has only been 7 teams that have "done much" in the past 30 years.

With 22 other teams in the same boat as us, I would say we could do a lot worse than "cheap abe"

Posted by: crs-one | June 30, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

He built the Verizon Center to make a profit like most people who start a business want to do.

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the smart money says make the taxpayers foot the bill. nobody said pollin wasn't a capitalist. there's just people out there who recognize that what he's done was done with integrity.

Posted by: crs-one | June 30, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

do you wipe his bum for him too? just asking b/c your smart a** d**k riding comment still didn't answe the question

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2009 4:23 PM

his reply may have had a bit of smarm to it, but he didn't answer the question because it was a rhetorical question. the original poster didn't actually *care* how many detroit games kalo_rama watched...he was just trying to make the point that KR knows nothing about detroit basketball. which i would probably agree is a difficult point to back up

Posted by: crs-one | June 30, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

That's why it's called an opinion, Einstein.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 4:39 PM

My point exactly. A very reasoned classless act.

If the prospect of having your opinions disagreed with is so untenable to you, feel free to keep them to yourself.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 4:35 PM

I assure you that is not the prospect he, or most of us here, besides you, finds untenable. In fact, I'm sure you get a kick out of people daring to disagree with you.

I can understand why so many people hate debating with kalo_rama: he actually makes reasoned points instead of simply shouting his ill-formed assumptions over and over again like a maniac. It's just not fair.

Posted by: IrenePollin | June 30, 2009 4:43 PM

There you have it folks. Kalorama is Abe's wife!

Oh, and just in case you two aren't the same person, I'm sure you meant to say:

I can understand why so many people hate debating with kalo_rama: he actually makes reasoned points and then proceeds to shout down his debaters over and over again like a maniac. It's just not fair.

Posted by: jones-y | June 30, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

"There's a huge difference between seeking and finding." - kalo_rama

Yup, no doubt. Rumors are, however, that Orlando is interested in Bass if Wallace turns them down. So it's fair to say there will be competition for him, and a team like Orlando, who's looking to add the last piece they think they need, maybe be willing to pay more than usual to get that player. Plus, Dallas is interested in keeping Bass. Given the same monetary offer between Orlando and Washington, and no promise to start in either location, Orlando is the more attractive option at this time.


"Speaking of which, according to earlier reports, Rasheed will be seeking $8 mill next season."

Maybe. Current reports are stating that he is considering signing with Boston or Orlando:

"Wallace still could remain in Detroit, but he has expressed a desire to finish his career with a legitimate contender in the East. He would help either Boston or Orlando counter Cleveland's addition of Shaquille O'Neal." - Fanhouse.com (http://bit.ly/1avgD4)

We all know that people like Wallace tend to say this or that, but it doesn't mean anything. So he might just be hedging his bets. Again though, given the choice between Washington, Boston, and Orlando, it's hard to think he'd choose Washington, unless we offered him more money. I think defensively, he's an upgrade at the center spot, but I still would prefer we actively pursue a trade for Camby, then use up our exception money on Gooden or Bass.

Posted by: segastyle | June 30, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Of course, the obvious question arises: if you find arguing with me such a thankless task, why do you continue to do it? Specifically, what do you hope to accomplish by trying to argue with me about how I argue? Surely you don't expect me to go "You're right, I've treated you badly by not agreeing with you and I'll never do it again" As I'm sure I've made clear, your hurt feelings don't particularly concern me. I'm here to discuss basketball. If you want me to change my tune, present a solid basketball argument that counters my own and I'll give you your props. But your silly, schoolboy whining about how I'm being mean to you is a waste of everybody's time.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Q: Who puts up better numbers per 40 min than the Birdman (pts per 40 min 15.7, reb per 40 min 16.0), is 5 years younger, with no baggage, would come much cheaper than the Birdman and would probably love to return to DC for a little job security and not much more?

A: POPS MENSAH-BONSU

Posted by: mickeyb | June 30, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"The NBA free agent negotiation period begins at midnight but the Washington Wizards aren't expected to be much of a player from the outset."

Is anyone surprised?

Who were the bums on this blog who said that after trading the second round pick for 2.5 mil, that they now have flexibility to do something during Free Agency?

Who thought Les BouleS were actually going to use the MLE and the BIA?

If you thought so, then you're a fool.

Why do Les BouleS have the 3rd highest payroll but 2nd to last in the league? It's because of people that EG brought in and overpaid for and now are stuck with because nobody wants them, or their salaries are way too high, or both.

With the 3rd highest payroll, the guys they traded for recently (Foye & Eminem) coupled with Caron and BTH who's contracts are up soon, then you know for sure that Les BouleS might lose 3 out of the 4 in the near future.

After that, it means back to square one.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 30, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

"So it's fair to say there will be competition for him, and a team like Orlando, who's looking to add the last piece they think they need, maybe be willing to pay more than usual to get that player. Plus, Dallas is interested in keeping Bass.

"Given the same monetary offer between Orlando and Washington, and no promise to start in either location, Orlando is the more attractive option at this time."

Not necessarily. For a young guy still trying to built a portfolio, money and a chance to play big minutes might trump what (on paper) seems like a surer bet to win. With older vets, it's a different story. And he's probably got a better chance to play in Washington because he brings something the team doesn't have and need. Given the way their team is built and how much his skill set overlaps Howard's (and Gortat's if they keep him) PT might be harder to come by there.

And of course there will be competition for him. There's always competition for good players. But that says nothing about how much he'll end up getting paid. Like I said, he's a good player, but he's not someone any GM is going to get into an insane bidding war over. He's well below guys like Gooden, Varajao, Boozer, and Milsap on the FA salary scale.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I hope we sign Gortat!!!

Posted by: Vicc | June 30, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

originalmark: "While everyone else here offers opinions, you speak as though you are the authoritative source "

He really does know basketball. From a bunch of different perspectives. More than I do, for example.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 30, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

To follow up:

One of the reasons why Bass is likely to be pursued is precisely because he will be cheaper to sign that a lot of the other available FA big men. He's coming of a couple seasons playing for the league minimum where he started to build a resume for himself, but unlike Paul Millsap, he never had an extended run of eyepopping numbers to drive his price/profile up. He'll likely sign a deal for two or three years with a team that offers him a chance at playing a big role with an eye towards building up to the next, bigger contract. He's perfectly positioned for the Wiz to get a relative bargain.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

We need a big body who can hold up against Shaq and Superman. That's our problem now. If BH gets into foul trouble who can we bring in to play against those 2 guys?
Maybe an Aaron Gray from the Bulls. A big body. Look for the same for the PF

Posted by: Drkitchen | June 30, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Drkitchen,

I agree, I think we need a backup center like Gortat.

I'm not giving up on our young PF's like some on this blog...playing too many NBA franchise-mode video games.

Posted by: Vicc | June 30, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't our starting line-up already set?

Posted by: Vicc | June 30, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

On Blair: I'm under the impression that it was the NBA team docs and medical consultants who nixed him, based on those two ACL injuries. Which led to complaints from scouts who thought they were being overcautious and protecting their own reps (translation: 'chicken'). On Blair's side was his outstanding performance during the two years he played in college without serious injury.

Any of the clubs drafting in the second half of the first round could have overruled their own medical reports and drafted him, citing the above reasons. But they all chose not to. Some of them, no doubt, because they preferred to select projects to stash overseas, or to sell off the pick outright (LA).

The risk-reward scales finally balanced for San Antonio, and they grabbed the guy. If it pans out, it doesn't mean they were smarter than everybody else, and if the pick doesn't pan out, it doesn't mean they were dumb.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 30, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I really like the idea of trading for Camby. James w/ Stevenson works salary wise... maybe through in next year's 1st rounder??

As far as the lower priced free agents I'd be focusing on Pops, Sheldon Williams and Joe Smith. I'd be happy with adding any of those guys.

Posted by: Darnell1 | June 30, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

As I've brought it up before, DeJuan Blair is a generic version of former UNC standout Sean May.

They both leave something to be desired playing in the NBA. It's tough being good your whole life, then being reduced to the crowd once you reach the professional level.

With that being said, thank whoever that we did not take Blair!

Posted by: Vicc | June 30, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Interesting comments on here....first wilcox and mcdyess are not 35...wilcox is around 26 or 27 and mcdyess is 34..If you know the Wizards, you know they are really upset about the luxury tax and WILL NOT jump out there and sign someone for any significant $$$ (meaning we should forget about the 5.6 million dollar exception). with the dollar for dollar that's like paying someone $11 mil and they will not do it. If a trade can't be made, I think whoever mentioned Bass is on point. He's tough and he only made like $826,000 last year....That's a player that's attainable for the wiz...

Posted by: jwmartin_72 | June 30, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Well it seems to me we have to move Mike James, there just isn't a spot for him in our guard heavy roster...

If we could deal him for someone like Jeff Foster to give us some more depth at center (works salary wise), then sign a low priced FA to add to the PF spot (Sheldon Williams, Joe Smith, or Pops)... I'd be happy with that.

Posted by: Darnell1 | June 30, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Does everyone realize that Blair destroyed Hibbert 2 years ago and Thabeet this year (20 rebounds on both of them in wins). Forgethis height.. he's tough and for a second round pick it baffled me that the Wizards didn't take him. I felt the same way last year when I wanted Dorsey out of Memphis...he's physical, athletic and he boards hard...they both can help Brendan out tremendously. For real, this year had more players available to improve your team than I can remember. We had a high pick, an attractive contract or 2, players that are attractive to other teams....perfect trade bait.....but we chose to get 2 perimeter players. I have to believe that they are still going to make another move to get a big man...hopefully it'll be someone tougher/stronger than McGhee and Blatche or we'll be the same 43 win team...even if healthy...defensive presence and physical play is highly underrated..

Posted by: jwmartin_72 | June 30, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Of course, the obvious question arises: if you find arguing with me such a thankless task, why do you continue to do it? Specifically, what do you hope to accomplish by trying to argue with me about how I argue? Surely you don't expect me to go "You're right, I've treated you badly by not agreeing with you and I'll never do it again" As I'm sure I've made clear, your hurt feelings don't particularly concern me. I'm here to discuss basketball. If you want me to change my tune, present a solid basketball argument that counters my own and I'll give you your props. But your silly, schoolboy whining about how I'm being mean to you is a waste of everybody's time.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 30, 2009 5:19 PM

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If a person presents a "solid basketball argument" -- rather than acknowledging it you'll just quibble over the meaning of "solid" "basketball" and "argument".

That's part of the joke. I get it.

Of course, this is way off topic, but there it is.

It's been entertaining and informative to see the discussion unfold today. A lot of great comments about free agency -- even despite Kal's unmitigated bullying and unwarranted d-ckishness.

As a side note, for those who don't like Kal's style, remember that he is damned for the rest of his miserable life to be this board's resident a-hole. If his Pops was here to comment, he'd still call him a failure. Like father, like son, no doubt. The comment section of this blog is his fate.

Posted by: JPRS | June 30, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

We will most likely get 2 of these players:
Joe Smith
Dwight Gooden
Chris Wilcox
Pops Mensah Bonsuh

my money would be on Joe Smith and Pops because they would not complain about coming off the bench.

The Spurs can afford to draft Blair because so much attention goes to keeping Duncan off the boards he will be good for about 6 rebounds a night down there he would not have gotten that here. He was picked low not because gm did not want him but because the doctors on the teams would not clear him.

Posted by: anacostia85 | June 30, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

...If you want me to change my tune, present a solid basketball argument that counters my own and I'll give you your props...

Posted by: kalo_rama

If a person presents a "solid basketball argument" -- rather than acknowledging it you'll just quibble over the meaning of "solid" "basketball" and "argument".

Posted by: JPRS


Now that's a solid argument, b/c it's true. I've seen compelling arguments agains't Kal before, and he did exactly what you said JPRS.

Well done.

Posted by: Vicc | June 30, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

"Well it seems to me we have to move Mike James, there just isn't a spot for him in our guard heavy roster...

Posted by: Darnell1 | June 30, 2009 6:42 PM "

Why?

EG brought him here to do wonderful and glorious things.....

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 30, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

As a GW person, I would pee my pants if the Wiz signed Pops. Mike Hall should have made the team as well but was cut to save $600K and left the roster with too few players to practice at times.

Posted by: thinker11 | June 30, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Take a step back people.

It was about one year ago when EG signed Gilby to his much ballyhooed max money contract...imagine that.

and look at where Les BouleS are now.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 30, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

"As a GW person, I would pee my pants if the Wiz signed Pops. Mike Hall should have made the team as well but was cut to save $600K and left the roster with too few players to practice at times.

Posted by: thinker11 | June 30, 2009 7:31 PM "

Why would Les BouleS sign Pops when they already have DMac? They are similar in skill set, but DMac has a better J.

Mike Hall wasn't the guy who should have stuck around. It was DerMarr Johnson.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 30, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm all about doc gooden anacostia

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Unrestricted free agent PFs the Wizards should consider are: Lamar Odom, Rasheed Wallace, Anderson Varejao, Chris Anderson, or Drew Gooden...

Posted by: siris | June 30, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the Cavs are moving on CVill, while Les BouleS are sitting on their hands.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 30, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

I kknow EG has his warts, but when you think about what he has done on a playing field that for years and years was dessimated by Wes Unseld, its pretty amazing. I believe the Wiz are still operating at a disadvantage from all the bonehead moves Wes made...and yet EG keeps pulling rabbits out of his hat. Like this most recent trade, the reason he pulled the trigger so quickly was because he knew he had a sucker. The Wiz are not going to make any major FA moves, maybe none at all in fact. Trading the remaining MJ salary and NY for 2 low priced servicable big men is really the best EG can hope to do. And even that will be difficult. I hope I'm wrong and Abe decides to pony up the cash for a FA midlevel exception salary player, but I dont think so...we may have to wait for the trading deadline.

Posted by: oddjob2 | June 30, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

"I kknow EG has his warts, but when you think about what he has done on a playing field that for years and years was dessimated by Wes Unseld, its pretty amazing. I believe the Wiz are still operating at a disadvantage from all the bonehead moves Wes made...and yet EG keeps pulling rabbits out of his hat. Like this most recent trade, the reason he pulled the trigger so quickly was because he knew he had a sucker. The Wiz are not going to make any major FA moves, maybe none at all in fact. Trading the remaining MJ salary and NY for 2 low priced servicable big men is really the best EG can hope to do. And even that will be difficult. I hope I'm wrong and Abe decides to pony up the cash for a FA midlevel exception salary player, but I dont think so...we may have to wait for the trading deadline.

Posted by: oddjob2 | June 30, 2009 9:37 PM "

Yes, usually the best apples are at the bottom of the barrel.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 30, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

"So it's fair to say there will be competition for him, and a team like Orlando, who's looking to add the last piece they think they need, maybe be willing to pay more than usual to get that player. Plus, Dallas is interested in keeping Bass.

"Given the same monetary offer between Orlando and Washington, and no promise to start in either location, Orlando is the more attractive option at this time."

"Not necessarily. For a young guy still trying to built a portfolio, money and a chance to play big minutes might trump what (on paper) seems like a surer bet to win." - kalo_rama

Dude, at least what you're quoting before commenting on it :-). I said, Given the same monetary offer between Orlando and Washington, and no promise to start in either location. I guess I could have been more specific about playing time.


"And of course there will be competition for him. There's always competition for good players. But that says nothing about how much he'll end up getting paid."

Sure it does, competition over something rare typically drives up the price. I'm not saying he's going to be getting paid 7-10 mil a year. But a young, talented, improving and unrestricted PF is a rarity in the league. This free agent period, actually, if not the only one, he is close to it. Most of the other unrestricted free agent PFs are more established in the league. They are past the 'potential' phase. Millsap is the only other that even comes to mind, and he's restricted.

If Blatche could get a little over 3 mil a year a year ago, there's no reason to think that Bass couldn't at least expect close to 3.5-4 mil this year as a base. So if he's a commodity, he might be able to command 5 mil or the full mid.

All that being said, the fact that teams this offseason are trying to be more fiscal, could hurt him. That's the determining factor, I think.

Posted by: segastyle | June 30, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Gooden and Rasho
or Zazaza...and rasho will giveus goodbody presence.We need to relay on Blache and JM.Gooden might need minutes but the rest of theplayers will be willing to give their experiance and bench production specialyin play off or injury situation.
No need to sign a big name like wallace or david lee.Bass is a none rebounding PF. Wilcox is an energy player with out defense, he will contribute but noneed to give him all MLE money.

Posted by: gtefferra | June 30, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Its funny there is so much arguement over a projected player that won't get any playing time IF the season is not a disaster.

If its the type of market where Mike James and Etan's Expiring Contract is a valuable asset do you really want to go spend the entire MLE just to get trapped in another Etanesque Contract?
Uh ... Recession Depression remember!!
Minutes are spent 1-4, period. Only hole is Back up Center. Its a team of 2nd rd picks Gil, McGuire, Blatche and 6th men Jamison, Miller, Young. And all of them play out of position!!! Frustrating.....
If Jamison would back Caron at the 3 next year, Blatche,McGee, Mcguire at the 4. Todd and Backup C we are Tall, Long, and capable.
Gil, Foye, Miller, Young at guard.

Orlando lost too much to get Vince in Lee, Turk, Battie and Alston.
Altanta is what 4 deep ? Crawford helps them a ton IMO
Chicago is dangerous
NJ NY Tor Milw all doodoo
Miami is a ways away
Philly eh
Detroit rebuilding

Boston Cleveland and so maybe the Wizards get 4th or 5th

Posted by: Chocolate_City | June 30, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

"Why would Les BouleS sign Pops when they already have DMac? They are similar in skill set, but DMac has a better J. posted by DC_MAN88"

Not at all. Pops is a rebounder, an inside player. In less than 14 minutes a game, he averaged 5.1 boards and 0.3 assists, along with 5 points. McGuire averaged more than 26 minutes, putting up 5.4 rebounds and 2.5 assists. He can defend wing forwards as well as anybody on the club.

Still, I don't think Pops is what we need, either.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 30, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

And we got Sam Cassell.

Abe is not cheap... He is Loyal.
Huge difference.

Posted by: Chocolate_City | June 30, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Bwahahaha! 3rd highest payroll and still just shooting for .500!

Posted by: ArlingtonHokie | June 30, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Bwahahaha! 3rd highest payroll and still just shooting for .500!

Posted by: ArlingtonHokie | June 30, 2009 11:10 PM


Ah yes and how much does the franchise earn(in fan revenue, Bwahahaha!) while just shooting for .500?

Posted by: Vicc | June 30, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Moron Bulletsfan78. I gave you more credit than you deserve. Go back and re-read what I wrote and see if you can understand:
"Moron bulletsfan78 = A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocationaleducation. " HINT: "=" ... Get it?

As for getting personal? It does not feel good to be called names, does it? - Woops. Let me give you a HINT: "Cheap Abe"?

You are welcome to state your opinion regarding the game but when YOU get PERSONAL don't get offended if others get personal with you. I will stop calling you MORON BULLETSFAN78 when you stop the Cheap Abe crap. Mr. Pollin has given a lot to this city including three professional teams without ripping off its citizens as the Nationals are doing and the Redskins have done for years.

As for "....I would ask kal first since he learned you cannot hide from the truth.

Have Abe sell the team, I am sure Ted Leonsis (I would prefer Ravens Owner Steve Bisciotti) would buy it and than maybe the Wizards could win a championship? But as long as there are fans like you who will give your money to Abe he has no reason to sell." What the heck are you smoking? or snorting? None of that makes sense.

Posted by: opita1 | June 30, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Bass or Varejao would be nice.

If Ernie could get the Birdman, I'd be in heaven.

Posted by: jumpset10 | June 30, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Pollin is the one who subsidized the city of Washington with professional sports

Posted by: opita1 | June 30, 2009 1:47 PM
please explain how he did this. was it the free land for the stadium? or the profits from concerts,sporting events,wrestling matches, and the circus being held in his stadium, for a small fee of course. how did polin subsadize washington sports.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2009 1:54 PM


Lilhollywood10 are you and Moron Bulletsfan78 one and the same? I don't have the time or the patience to get into an argument with you, I suggest you use the Internet to expand your knowledge, even if it is to argue a trivial point. Let me get you started: Abe Pollin has not built a stadium in this city as far as I know, but he has built two Arenas to primarily support his professional sports, Basketball and Hockey. He built the MCI Center (Verizon owns the naming rights now) in a run-down area of Washington DC with his own money, he chose to finance it himself and without the help of the city which apparently didn't have any money to support any sports. That area where the center is located was dead. The whole area has changed because of his actions, new hotels, apartments, new business, and a new convention center exist there now and the area is flourishing. He was offered a great deal by the city of Baltimore to move back to that city, they were ready to finance the whole project with tax-payers money, and yet he chose to stay in Washington and do it all by himself.
I hope that helps you get started. And now to answer your question: How did Pollin subsidize it? I have no clue, but I will venture to say that he is a very astute business man who has done very well on the businesses that he runs. As for the profits from events held at the arena. Who do you expect should receive them? THINK, THINK, THINK, it is not hard.

Posted by: opita1 | June 30, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

gortat would be a great addition. Just multiple versatile bigman who can play the 4 and 5 then i'll be satistfied

Posted by: royanderson | July 1, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

"If a person presents a "solid basketball argument" -- rather than acknowledging it you'll just quibble over the meaning of "solid" "basketball" and "argument"."

That may well be true, but having never presented one, you'd be the last person to know it.

It's been entertaining and informative to see the discussion unfold today. A lot of great comments about free agency -- even despite Kal's unmitigated bullying and unwarranted d-ckishness."

"Unwarranted"? Not very. I'm not the one who started getting personal and calling names here. That was Unoriginal Mark, angry at my unwillingness to capitulate to his argument that Blair is destined to succeed because he's the same height as someone else who succeeded. Or someone who failed. Or something. Wasn't really clear. Point is, if attacked will defend. Feel free to do the same. But when you do, don't prance around like you've got reserved space on the moral high ground. You can't denigrate some one for name calling while your calling people names. Well, you can, but doing so would make you a massive f&%king hypocrite. Which, clearly, you are.

So until the next time Unoriginal Mark runs out of ways to defend or justify his basketball point and tries to deflect his impotency by calling me names and inviting everyone else to pile on (by my count, this is at least the third time in the past year) let's move on, shall we?

Or not. If you want to keep on with the name calling and finger pointing, I'm game. But do so at your own peril.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 1, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

"Sure it does, competition over something rare typically drives up the price. I'm not saying he's going to be getting paid 7-10 mil a year. But a young, talented, improving and unrestricted PF is a rarity in the league. This free agent period, actually, if not the only one, he is close to it. Most of the other unrestricted free agent PFs are more established in the league. They are past the 'potential' phase. Millsap is the only other that even comes to mind, and he's restricted."

For a guy who doesn't seem to care much for Bass, I think you're really giving him too much credit. He's a nice backup PF. That's really it. He's not even in the same class as Millsap. Now that's a guy there will be a bidding war over. He started a long stretch of games and averaged a double-double. Bass had an okay year, but nowhere near that level. Millsap is rare in that he's a young big who seems to have fulfilled his potential. Is it possible that Bass could do the same if given the chance? Anything's possible. But until he actually does it, he won't be getting those kinds of offers.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 1, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

"Pops is a rebounder, an inside player. In less than 14 minutes a game, he averaged 5.1 boards and 0.3 assists, along with 5 points. McGuire averaged more than 26 minutes, putting up 5.4 rebounds and 2.5 assists. "

I wouldn't put much stock in those stats. That's a case where numbers don't tell the whole story. Pops only played 19 games last year, all near the end of the season after being called up from the D-League. Most of his minutes came in garbage time against the other teams scrubs. McGuire played most of the 82, while starting the majority of them, and often got the assignment of guarding one of the other teams best offensive players. Their numbers may look similar, but the actual performances weren't really comparable.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 1, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

I see the Wizards signing Smith and Pops because they will come cheaply and they won't complain about coming off the bench. Pops would be a nice addition he is physical inside and a good rebounder. I don't ever see him as a starter but he would provide energy off the bench. Joe provides toughness and intelligence on the court. The Wiz signing them would not affect Mcguire's playing time.

Posted by: anacostia85 | July 1, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

"For a guy who doesn't seem to care much for Bass, I think you're really giving him too much credit." - kalo_rama

Never said I didn't care for him. I said I don't think he's really any better than Blatche right now. I happen to like Blatche (when he's concentrating).

"He's a nice backup PF. That's really it. He's not even in the same class as Millsap. Now that's a guy there will be a bidding war over. He started a long stretch of games and averaged a double-double. Bass had an okay year, but nowhere near that level. Millsap is rare in that he's a young big who seems to have fulfilled his potential. Is it possible that Bass could do the same if given the chance? Anything's possible. But until he actually does it, he won't be getting those kinds of offers."

I agree. Again, I never said he'd be getting Millsap offers. I said based on how I compare Bass to Blatche, and how you think he's better than Blatche, at the very least, he should be expecting nothing lower than a little more than Blatche signed for previously. Blatche signed for about 3.2 per year average. That would mean between 3.5-4 mil average for Bass, starting. All it takes for for two teams to want him. If it's between Washington and Orlando, unless Washington does a great sell, they're probably going to have to offer more money than Orlando to land him.

But there's no reason for me to argue this point anymore after this. I think signing either Bass or Gooden would be a good pickup. I don't care how much either makes. We won't be able to sign both. Gooden would help us more over the next 2 seasons. Bass would potentially be a better signing for us long-term. I'd still like us to at least try to get Camby, whether we sign someone else or not.

Posted by: segastyle | July 1, 2009 1:36 AM | Report abuse

I really don't understand the negativity because of off-season moves and the constant pimping of Dejuan Blair.

Wasn't it reported that NBA team examiners couldn't even find his ACLs?

Yeah, I know just because he's undersized doesn't mean that he won't go on to have a productive career -- Glen Davis and Paul Millsap are the first two current NBA players that come to mind that are playing well.

But he slipped OUT OF the first round. Meaning NBA execs and scouts were turned off by this guy for some reason. If it wasn't his knees, then what could it have possibly been?

It was his knees. If NBA execs are passing on the guy, due to their GMs for not vouching for the dude, while I respect the opinions of all -- informative and asinine alike -- I'm more inclined to believe the MAJORITY of the NBA front offices that decided to pass on him. I'm finding it hard to believe that all of them are wrong.

This ain't the NFL draft. Chances are if aren't a first round pick, you have a very hard time seeing an NBA floor, if at all, ever.

I mean, damn. Teams haven't even signed draft picks yet, and most of you are already burying the Wizards. Let's try and focus on the positive instead of what they don't have, or who they should've picked up.

You have three all-stars returning, that as of today are healthy.

They have their best defensive player: Brendan Haywood (Hell NO! It ain't even close to being Stevenson) Haywood alters shots and seems to position his teammates as they prepare to close out the paint. Remember how easy teams scored lay-ups last season? I don't think that goes down next season with Haywood and McGee (With a year of experience).

They traded the pick for Foye and Miller. Insurance policies -- offensively -- just in case if Butler or Arenas are unable to play. Even the offense struggled due to lack of real options to go to. No, they're not great players, but have proven to be serviceable.

Some of you need to relax, for real. It's really not that bad. It's freakin JULY, the season hasn't been over for 60 days yet! Good LORD DC sports fans are so damn negative -- all the damn time.

If Grunfled was able to acquire Wade, Kobe, Lebron, and Howard, most of you would chastise the man for that!

Posted by: RedDMV | July 1, 2009 2:00 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: AWizinLA | July 1, 2009 2:36 AM | Report abuse

"If a person presents a "solid basketball argument" -- rather than acknowledging it you'll just quibble over the meaning of "solid" "basketball" and "argument"."

That may well be true, but having never presented one, you'd be the last person to know it.

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LOL -- well said, blog genius!

Posted by: JPRS | July 1, 2009 2:38 AM | Report abuse

opita1: out of all the comments I've seen and read from the Insider...you make the most sense out of anyone here. My hats off to you man.

bulletsfan78: are you really that dumb or did your mom drop to many times as a child???? you must not be a true wizards fan if you are always ripping on the team and the onwer. If think you run the team so much better than Abe than why dont why get off your trash talkin a** and do something about it. Actions speak louder than words retard. And whats up with Cheap Abe crap?? where the hell did that come from?? If you havent notice which you obviosuly havent cuz your blinded by your own stupidity...the wizards have the 3rd...3RD HIGHEST PAYROLL in the league. So tell me how Abe is being cheap? Man you really must be a moron. you be ashamed to call yourself a true fan cuz you even support them for the down moments. Ok enough ripping on dumba** cuz i could on forever.

the rest of you s*** for brains: personally all of you be some crappy GMs and would be fired on the spot if i was your boss...some of you actually know the heck you are talkin bout. my hats off to you guys who actually know something bout basketball and how to run a team and who are true fans to the game. The rest of you need to actually either watch some games of basketball or play basektball. Basically either put up or shut up. you need be negative towards our hometown. everyone has an up and down season once in a while. not everyone is perfect

Posted by: dontecurtis | July 1, 2009 3:44 AM | Report abuse

"Their numbers may look similar, but the actual performances weren't really comparable.Posted by: kalo_rama"

I was looking to accent their differences, though one fact in particular: Pops averaging about the same number of boards in about half as many minutes. Of course, his getting so few minutes is probably even more telling -- he wasn't really a contributor.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 1, 2009 5:54 AM | Report abuse

bulletsfan78: are you really that dumb or did your mom drop to many times as a child???? you must not be a true wizards fan if you are always ripping on the team and the onwer. If think you run the team so much better than Abe than why dont why get off your trash talkin a** and do something about it. Actions speak louder than words retard. And whats up with Cheap Abe crap?? where the hell did that come from?? If you havent notice which you obviosuly havent cuz your blinded by your own stupidity...the wizards have the 3rd...3RD HIGHEST PAYROLL in the league. So tell me how Abe is being cheap? Man you really must be a moron. you be ashamed to call yourself a true fan cuz you even support them for the down moments. Ok enough ripping on dumba** cuz i could on forever.

Posted by: dontecurtis | July 1, 2009 3:44 AM

I'm sorry the only way you can be a true fan is by never disagreeing with the team you root for?

This is the first year the man has gone over the cap....if he ends up paying 10 million into the luxury cap fund this year...that won't even be a drop in the bucket compared to the amount he has made from the fund over the last 25 years.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 1, 2009 6:06 AM | Report abuse

It's no wonder this country is in the state it's in!!!!!

If the people on here were alive back in 1763-1775 (and there was a blog) they would have said....we can't disagree with the Brits....be happy with what you've got and don't wish for freedom....

I can't wait for the next depression than people will finally realize what life is all about....sports are just a game people and you play the game to win...at least you use to when I was growing up....today people believe every player should play..even if he sucks, it's only fair...life is not fair you go out and get what you want...that's what abe did...as for calling him cheap it's not personal..it's about the way he runs the team...is this a Wizards blog or is this the lets all kiss Abe a$$ blog?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 1, 2009 6:17 AM | Report abuse

Now that the D-League has been around for a while, I was wondering how much success there correlates with a successful NBA career. A guy like Richard Hendrix, who dominates other developmental players -- how will he do if he gets a chance at a higher level? He's still a little short for his position, and lacks much of a jumper, but can he become a productive Wizard, for example?

In other words, has the league found a way to develop its young talent?

Which brings me to the Brandon Jennings question. The kid went to Europe rather than college, causing great consternation among the media. In Italy he played against older, stronger men, which could be helpful, but mostly rode the bench, which is probably not. Observers claim he dominated scrimmages but the games accented his weaknesses -- the selfishness, the lack of a reliable shot. Still, he managed to get selected 10th, and was in line to go higher.

You can bet other kids who don't particularly look forward to classroom work are watching closely. Would he have been better off going to Arizona as planned? At least he would have played, if at an inferior level. Or did he make the right call? Keeping in mind there's another kid, a 7 footer out of San Diego, who's already decided to go to Europe next season, then to the NBA.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 1, 2009 6:39 AM | Report abuse

Varejao is the person the Wiz need to pickup. He's the guy you hate to play against but want him on your team. He does all the annoying things to the other team. He plays D, rebounds, flops, run the floor, has good hands and you take him away from Cavs. You put him and McGee on the floor together the Wiz would be tough. Gil penetrating and dishing to 1 of those big guys knowing they will catch and dunk the ball. Haywood would fumble have to get his feet set then shoot an Blatche will try and do a Jamison finger roll.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | July 1, 2009 6:59 AM | Report abuse

No one knows yet what Blair will do in the NBA. We whiffed on him, he's with San Antonio, end of story. Let's wait till next year before we judge him, Grunfeld and fellow talkbackers. I thought they should have taken a chance with him - while short, he has long arms, is exceptionally Big East-tested tough, and a Barkley-like knack for outrebounding taller opponents. But I'm fully willing to admit I may be wrong. Let's see.

As for which sad sack PF/C we get in free agency, other than the Birdman, who isn't coming here, I say no one. We need to trade one or more of the guards we have, and perhaps other assets for someone better than the FAs out there. Championship teams are made with a superior starting eight, and a Pops, Wilcox or Bass don't make that cut. They will be yet another mediocre/sub-mediocre fixture on a team stacked with them. Didn't we just get rid of a ton of dead weight w/ Songalia, Pech and Thomas? Geez, I'd rather have one of them back than some of the names people are throwing around.

Personally, I think we should get rid of everyone we have on our team except Mcgee, get whatever draft choices or players under the age of 25 we can for them, and rebuild this team. Grunfeld mortgaged our future for a win-now team which is simply not athletic, tall, skilled or deep enough to contend with the elite. He has also overpaid for several players, giving us no room to make the personnel moves we need to get over the top. We therefore face the prospect of being mediocre to good for a few years until our best four - Caron, Gil, Antwan and Haywood - either sign elsewhere or reach their sell-by date, at which point we'll have to start over from scratch. Better to start that process now.

Posted by: SammyT1 | July 1, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse

SammyT1- trade the whole team? WTF? That is crazy talk.

Please people, remember Gil was a 3-time allstar before he got hurt. Dropped 60 on Kobe's head in LA! Etc, etc and he was what, 24? 2 games this season he went for 20 assists and 1 turnover after missing 75 games.

Gil is a franchise player, and he is our guy. IF, big IF, he is 100% healthy (along with everyone else)...this is 45-55 win team with Flip in charge.

Just sign the workmanlike big guy. Camby would be great, or Bass.

Birdman is a foul machine, and Wilcox is still relying purely on athleticism- no good.

This team is going to be good THIS season! No more crazy talk!

Posted by: divi3 | July 1, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

80% of the guys mentioned here are for the most part power forwards. With Jamison and Blatche I'm not nearly as worried about the 4 as I am the 5.

Ideally a guy should be able to B/U both spots a little depending on the matchup.
To me either Sheed or McDyess could do the job and not tie up money in a longterm deal, they bothe appear to only want a couple of more years at most.

Nestorovic is a guy that Flip should also know well and is more of a pure big body in the post.

Sheldon Williams is a guy that never quite fit in at Atlanta, they tried to make him a center. Not many 6'7" guys besides Wes Unseld have pulled that one off.

But Sheldon could end up being one of those former top picks that was given up on that goes on to be a solid NBA player in the right situation.

I still look for Ernie to be looking to try and trade James' expiring deal in a possible sign and trade.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | July 1, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I can understand why so many people hate debating with kalo_rama: he actually makes reasoned points instead of simply shouting his ill-formed assumptions over and over again like a maniac. It's just not fair.

Posted by: IrenePollin | June 30, 2009 4:43 PM

well theres your proof...Kalo_effer is a washington wizards pr. and..

Kal i gotta agree."

And I gotta say that I don't really give a rat's ass.

whoa Kal, take it easy bro no need for profanity. thats as classless as you commenting on everyones thread rather than forming your own opinion

Posted by: mrhney03 | July 1, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

sammyt1:"Personally, I think we should get rid of everyone we have on our team except Mcgee, get whatever draft choices or players under the age of 25 we can for them, and rebuild this team."

If the Wiz really did that, I wonder how long it would be before you started screaming for the FO's head.

Not long, I would guess.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 1, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

To me either Sheed or McDyess could do the job and not tie up money in a longterm deal, they bothe appear to only want a couple of more years at most.

Posted by: flohrtv | July 1, 2009 9:12 AM

GM,

You are 100% right. This team needs a center, but they need someone who has won a ring, someone who can be a good guy in the locker room, and someone who can teach AB and JM how to play the game at practice.

San Antonio brought in Robert Horry because he was a proven winner.

Any word on who the big man coach is....my vote is for ETaps?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 1, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

that pathetic, senile old man doesn't really want a championship

Posted by: prescrunk | July 1, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone can knock kal's knowledge of the game or the wiz but nothing but venom comes when trying to make a statement he doesn't agree with, if you let it bother you it's your fault, no one is entitled to having people on here act nicely or even be civil, but he adds a tremendous amount to the blog with the gritty detail he knows that even a self proclaimed passionate basketball fan such as myself can't touch, it is what it is

Posted by: bford1kb
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While he certainly adds a tremendous "amount" to the blog, he is just like everyone else, sometimes he is right, and sometimes he is wrong (and sometimes I can see the points he is arguing go either way). It is just that he acts more viciously when he disagrees with people.

There really is no need for that, even though nothing much can be done. And that's my 2 cent, it is just what it is.

Posted by: sagaliba | July 1, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Didn't somebody actually argue that if the blog had been around in 1763 we'd all be supporting the British?

Those of us who could find a reliable internet provider, that is...

Posted by: Samson151 | July 1, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I hate stupid people that think you run a team like NBA Live and hit the release player button and just pick up 14 more.

Just keep McGee? Seriously? JaVale McGee is gonna be your cornerstone? Because he had some nice dunks? A few nice blocks?

7'0 center with the body of a SF...he's a good 2 years away from being solid EVERY NIGHT. He's too small and fundamentally horrible right now. I don't understand some people thought processes sometimes.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 1, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I usually ignore stupid comments and people but couldn't let this one pass. McGee is a hard worker who has improved more in one season than Blatche has in 3~4. He has the potential to be better than Camby ever was so you can just stuff your ignorance regarding him. Unlike most, he let's his game do his talking and that's the type of character we want to keep. nuff said!!

As for my original list, it looks like the money in Cleveland and Detroit will take Verajao and Villanueva. That leaves Gooden as our best prospect in the $5mil for 3~4 year range. Camby is also look good for a one-and-done as he's 35 and due 7.65mil next season which makes this a contract year for him.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_clippers.htm

*Drew Gooden (6’10”, 11.0ppg, 7.1rpg) Big Dog qualified, not mean but he shoots and scores and get mad offensive rebounds

*Chris Anderson (Bird Man) (6’10”, 6.4ppg, 6.2rpg, 54.8 FG%) Freak Show, what’s not to like at 3mil/yr?

*POPS Mensah-Bonsu (6’9”, 5ppg, 5.1rpg) Mad Leaper qualified, crazy on offensive boards

*Antonio McDyess (6’9” 9.6ppg, 9.8rpg, 51.1 FG%) He can win as well with us as Boston or Detroit

*Marcus Camby 35 years old, $7.65mil next year (6'11", 10.3ppg, 11.1rpg, 51 FG%)

*Fabricio Oberto (6’10”, 2.6ppg, 2.6rpg, 57fg%) Smart Dog qualified, takes charges, rebounds and plays decent D

FORGET ABOUT IT:

Brandon Bass, 6’8” 240lbs, 8.5ppg, 4.5rpg, 50 FG% Sounds too much like Dominic McGuire instead of a true Big

*Chris Wilcox (6’10”, in 2008-2009 only played 25 games with averages of 5ppg, 3.3rpg, 52.7 FG%) As someone else mentioned, plays like a small forward and still doesn’t understand the game, plus he’s injured most of the time.


To Cleveland: *Charlie Villanueva (6’11”, 16.2ppg, 6.7rpg, 83.8 FT%) Mad Dog qualified but reputed to be lazy

To Cleveland: *Anderson Verajao (6’11”, 8.6ppg, 7.2rpg) Mad Dog qualified but cannot shoot

“Potato”

Posted by: liveride | July 1, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Sheed and McDyess have rings, and despite Sheed acting like a crazy man on the court at times, guys that have played with him generally like him.

The final call on Sheed would have to go to Flip. He's the guy that would have to work with him. But he's become a wiley vet, with great footwork and moves in the paint.

If he's willing to take on a mentoring role and just be ready to pick his minutes up in the playoffs, he could a big asset.

I'm not sure he's going to fit in at Boston or San Antonio with a group of vets that have already got there without him. He's going to play some where, why not here?

I'd think Detroit would be interested in a sign and trade involving James' contract. The Pistons are trying to free cap room for next year. The Wiz could send along enough cash to partially pay James, and a future pick to entice the Pistons into a deal.

Sheed could get a little more then the MLE, which is the most anyone else is likely to offer. And having Sheed in the frontline mix could make the wiz one of the top teams in the east, when you consider the other additions Ernie's already made.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | July 1, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

The Wizards should invite 7'2" Josh Moore to camp. If he can still play, he will be a cheap backup C.

Posted by: rickgonz | July 1, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Correction:

Likely To DETROIT: *Charlie Villanueva (6’11”, 16.2ppg, 6.7rpg, 83.8 FT%) Mad Dog qualified but reputed to be lazy

Which means Detroit, which has tons of money to spend, may pick up V. and Ben Gordon if Chicago doesn't step up. I think Chi-town will (or we can dream of them taking James and a 2nd rounder for Yoakim Noah)

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/chicago.htm

Posted by: liveride | July 1, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

For everybody on the McGee bandwagon...how often did you see him make the BASIC play? get an offensive rebound and go back up and lay it in? Honestly? Either he completely blows the rebound trying to get a tip-dunk or is to scared/weak to go up strong. Tries to dunk and gets stripped.

The potential is there but he is not a cornerstone yet. He needs a lot of work.
He's Dwight Howard in his rookie year WITHOUT any of the strength. I think that's a perfect analogy.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 1, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Re:
This is the first year the man has gone over the cap....if he ends up paying 10 million into the luxury cap fund this year...that won't even be a drop in the bucket compared to the amount he has made from the fund over the last 25 years.
Idiot.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 1, 2009 6:06 AM

Do you enjoy just making this Sh*t up? The Luxury Tax has been around since the 1999 CBA (Collective Bargaining Agreement) only 10 years- but originally did not guarantee the sharing of the tax payments with the other teams. The new Luxury Tax Rules went into effect with the summer 2005 CBA. Since it has been in effect (2005-2008) teams have gone over the tax level 19 times with NY, Dallas, SA & Denver accounting for 10 out of the 19.

Posted by: ljack666 | July 1, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Add Marcin Gortat to the short list of 7'0" free agents, (3.8ppg, 4.5rpg in 12 minutes) behind Dwight Howard. Weakens them and makes us stronger. The Rockets are going for him too so if we don't get him at least he may move to the West.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3983

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AucqvPR5SZNJKHi3VQqQkD28vLYF?slug=jy-freeagentrankings063009&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Posted by: liveride | July 1, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

The ignorance-level of the complainers on this site is especially high. Anyone who thinks Abe Pollin is cheap should look at NBA payrolls and see the Wiz are the 3rd highest in the game despite having a losing team. Player/payroll decisions are made by the GM and his staff and obviously, Abe is giving them carte blanche to spend. Any other owner would have scrapped the team by now and started from scratch. Abe chose to build his Arena in DC not because he would make more money, but because he has always been a 100% loyal citizen of this town. He had sweetheart deals from Baltimore and other cities that would have made him much richer but he chose DC and to build out of his own pocket because he loves the town and it's people and knew that an arena would revitalize downtown. And as anyone who has been to see the Wizards or the Caps or a concert knows, downtown DC is now a gem when it was once a slum. Abe is not long for this earth, so enjoy him while you can because you won't see another one like him.

Posted by: precaryus1 | July 1, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

the city gave him the land. he didn't buy it.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 1, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

kal,

Here's the thing. I have been paying attention. Quite simply, I don't agree with you. I see the argument you're making, but I don't think it's as sound as you do. Blair measured out at 6-6 at the combine, so I think it's safe to assume he's 6-6. He's a wide load (yes I know he's heavy). And he's already a great and instinctual rebounder. And instincts are what McDyess needed to develop more quickly after his knee problems. Blair already has those, and he's been relying on them for a while.

And let's not forget that his vertical is average among all who measured out at the combine. He played in perhaps the best conference in college basketball and still pulled down 10 rebounds a game. And he's already a great offensive rebounder, and, as countless people have said before, during and after the draft, not just here but also on ESPN, CNNSI.com, etc., rebounding translates from college to the NBA.

So don't accuse me of not paying attention. Just because someone sees things differently doesn't mean he/she isn't paying attention to what you're saying. Now, you may be right in the end. Maybe Blair is a big nothing. In that case, I'll come back and say you got one right. But until that happens, try respecting the opinions that others are attempting to put forth. You don't have to agree with them, but you can respect them.

Posted by: CDon | July 1, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

And a few acres of land in a downtown slum is worth how much lilhollywood10? You are whom we speak of when we mean ignorant.

Posted by: precaryus1 | July 1, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

My guess is that what we see is what get, at least to start the season. Even though we are a body or two short in the frontcourt, I think we probably have enough to be in good shape in the standings in February. If necessary, we can survive minor injuries with 10 day contracts to disposable D-leaguers. At the trade deadline, hopefully we can find a good PF/C in exchange for Mike James' expiring contract. If Foye or Miller don't seem to be fitting in, we will have their expiring contracts to work with, too.

At the trade deadline, how about Mike James' expiring contract for Josh Boone and Eduardo Najera?

Posted by: yop32 | July 1, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

The arena is owned by Washington Sports & Entertainment on land leased from the city of Washington. At the end of the 30 year lease, the land is set to revert to the ownership of the city, with the mayor of Washington to make mandatory biennial reviews of the city's continuing need for the arena.

Posted by: ljack666 | July 1, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Abe is not long for this earth, so enjoy him while you can...

Posted by: precaryus1 | July 1, 2009 11:28 AM


a day we have been awaiting anxiously... that will be the day Les Boules rise like Phoenix out of the ashes. we'll change the name back, change the colors back, make ticket prices reasonable and STOP SUCKING

Posted by: prescrunk | July 1, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

The best team the Wizards could put on the court is one where Haywood at center is flanked by a veteran PF who can rebound and play an aggressive game. You move Jamison to the #3 which while it creates need for defensive switches it also provides advantages on the glass and in the paint on offense.

Butler moves to the off guard and you have Gilbert at the point.

Foye and Miller (if not traded) are the reserves with an admittedly thin group of Blatche, McGee up front.

Posted by: leopard09 | July 1, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Sammy

Why would you want Etan and his contract back? Pech, which of his contributions will the wizards miss? Songaila, yes, he contributed, but it doesn't offset Foye or Miller, or Foye and Miller. Are you kidding me? Don't look at things as if the glass if half-empty. The only one of those 3 players you would rather have back is Songaila. Brendan replaced him from last year and at least that is an upgrade from last year.

Why are people in panick mode? I don't want Ernie to chase a championship by getting 1-year rentals, like Shaq, or people well past their prime like Vinsanity. The wizards are built for a longer run than that. Also, Shaq and Vince are nut-grabbing ring-chasers, hopping on teams THEY perceive as championship material. You don't think the league had anything to say about why Shaq ends up in Cleveland? Phoenix could have gotten more from someone else for Shaq. All they got was cap-room. Washington even if they are in that category, is not given the benefit of the doubt by the media and the NBA who what's LeBron and Dwight to advance further than anyone else. Ernie ain't getting no freebies like that. He is building a strong-team that will hinge on the health of the one true bonafide star they have, Gilbert and depth.

You want to trade Blatche, who is cap-friendly and who does have potential. Nick is in the same category. Yes, there is an overabundance in the back court. A trade is a probability. Of note, Blatche is still what, 22 years old and could grow up and replace Jamison.

I say role with what you got at least this year, add a center if you can, and line up Cleveland, Boston, Orlando. I ain't no punk and am not afraid.

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 1, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Abe Pollin quote: “I grew up in a house where both of my parents were very much involved in helping others,” said Pollin. “My philosophy is that those of us who are on the giving end rather than the receiving end are very lucky.”

prescrunk quote: "“I grew up in a house where both of my parents were very much involved in smoking crack and prostitution. “My philosophy is that those of us who are on the receiving end of the crack pipe and not the 44 magnum are very lucky.”

Posted by: precaryus1 | July 1, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I love how Kal gets pinned on the McDyess / Blair no-jump rebounding thing and then immediately starts back-pedalling "Uh, no it's because McDyess has other things that help him rebound, like, uh, a cool nickname and a really nice car...." (just yanking your chain Kal, just yanking your chain). Good cases have been made for both sides (repeatedly) so we are definitely just left to wait and see on Blair.

Some people have caught on that it's not really just one big-man signing that we have to talk about, it's two. They need to have at least five available. Counting McGuire as number four I think is a bit of a stretch. He's capable, but I think you need a couple of more big bodies.

For as much as Ernie likes to keep his cards close to his chest, he was pretty clear about what he was going to do in the draft. I think it's the same here. They're not going to bid for any of the high-dollar FAs. If he sees a good deal involving James' contract, he'll make it. Otherwise, I think he'll do much like he did with signing Stevenson to his original deal. With money being tight all around this year, he's going to wait a bit and see who drops in value while others go after the hot commodities. Hopefully it will work out for us.

There's always a chance he could turn around James' contract and Miller's contract (also an expiring deal, so still valuable for cap space) and trade for a high dollar guy, but I don't see it happening. Signing Gil, and in particular signing AJ to long extensiions really locks up what they're going to be able to do, especially if they want to extend Caron and maybe Haywood.

I think it's very likely they'll sign whoever drops to a 2-3 mil a year contract and then find another minimum salary big-body to flesh out the roster. When the trading deadline comes mid-season, if the Wiz look like they're capable of making a run, that's when they'll try to trade James' contract for something useful. But I think it's just as likely they'll just prefer to keep it and let it expire for the cap space savings.

I don't think it's what they should do, I think they should go after a good defensive, reboud-minded PF and a vet backup C. But I really don't expect that to happen now.

Posted by: ts35 | July 1, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

try respecting the opinions that others are attempting to put forth. You don't have to agree with them, but you can respect them.

Posted by: CDon | July 1, 2009 11:34 AM

You're wasting your breath. I've been more or less called an idiot by the guy for nothing more than presenting a counter-argument. He's a very intelligent, very knowledgeable, very arrogant a-hole.

He is acutely aware of his deficiencies (or rather, his ego is aware), but unfortunately his narcissim causes him to blame his total lack of sociability on everyone else.

Posted by: jones-y | July 1, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Correction to my above post, AJ counts as a big, so I guess they really only NEED one more big, though two would be mo' better.

Posted by: ts35 | July 1, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

The ignorance-level of the complainers on this site is especially high

Posted by: precaryus1 | July 1, 2009 11:48 AM

The pot calling the kettle black! You believe only what you have read in the Post and rofl AISH.com and immediately refute anyone's opinion of the man to the contrary but we're ignorant?

Any other owner would have scrapped the team by now and started from scratch.

19 wins. 3rd highest payroll. lmfao. you say that like its a bad idea.

Abe chose to build his Arena in DC not because he would make money...

really? maybe u can explain why the tickets cost $1200/seat for the 13 game All-Star plan then.

And a few acres of land in a downtown slum is worth how much lilhollywood10? You are whom we speak of when we mean ignorant.

so MCI CENTER was subsidized by dc?! so he DID get a bit of sweetheart deal... thanks for the clarification.

Posted by: prescrunk | July 1, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Pardon my n00bish suggestion, but what do y'all think of this trade possibility:

Wizards get: C Marc Gasol
Grizzlies get: SG DeShawn Stevenson

The Wiz would get a tiny bit of cap space back in the deal (or a good chunk of it if Mike James is traded away instead of Stevenson) and both teams get a needed boost in depth at specific positions. (After the Griz drafted Thabeet, Gasol became tradeable.)

Posted by: DaveOfTheHillPeople | July 1, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

once again prescrunk shows his intellect. crack pipe must be getting low.....

Posted by: precaryus1 | July 1, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Gasol for DeShawn sounds like a coup. Too good to pass up.

Posted by: liveride | July 1, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

We'll toss in James too.

Posted by: liveride | July 1, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

*Marc Gasol 7’1” 11.9ppg, 7.4rpg, 53 FG% makes $3.24mil & 3.48mil over the next two seasons.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/memphis.htm

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4325

Posted by: liveride | July 1, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Trade Deshawn, James and Young, drop Dixon and pickup rebounding beast Millsap. Then if we pickup a defense-minded F or PF we look like:

Starters:
Arenas
Butler
Jamison
Millsap
Haywood

Bench:
Foye
Miller
McGuire
Blatch
McGhee

Critt and the added TBD player or two.

That aint so bad.

Posted by: precaryus1 | July 1, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

If the Grizz wanted to trade Marc Gasol straight up for Stevenson, I would definitely do it....I just can't see why they would. There's no way of knowing if Thabeet can handle big minutes out of the gate. They would have to be able to get a better deal for Gasol from somewhere else. And who knows if Stevenson's even going to be healthy for this year?

Posted by: ts35 | July 1, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, we're dreaming about Gasol. Only way they would part with a bonified center who makes under $4mil is if they have a desperate need for a particular position. With O.J. Mayo, Q. Richarson and Mike Conley I don't see it happening but anythings possible.

Posted by: liveride | July 1, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the short list is:

*Drew Gooden (6’10”, 11.0ppg, 7.1rpg) Big Dog qualified, not mean but he shoots and scores and get mad offensive rebounds

*Chris Anderson (Bird Man) (6’10”, 6.4ppg, 6.2rpg, 54.8 FG%) Freak Show, what’s not to like at 3mil/yr?

*POPS Mensah-Bonsu (6’9”, 5ppg, 5.1rpg) Mad Leaper qualified, crazy on offensive boards

*Antonio McDyess (6’9” 9.6ppg, 9.8rpg, 51.1 FG%) He can win as well with us as Boston or Detroit

*Marcus Camby 35 years old, $7.65mil next year (6'11", 10.3ppg, 11.1rpg, 51 FG%)

*Fabricio Oberto (6’10”, 2.6ppg, 2.6rpg, 57fg%) Smart Dog qualified, takes charges, rebounds and plays decent D

Posted by: liveride | July 1, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

We can pore over these listings just like an online GM looking for a diamond in the rough aka needle in a haystack:

http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players?type=lastname&query=B

Posted by: liveride | July 1, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

The best pick up for this squad is a guy who can play without the ball, does the dirty work, provides smart help defense, takes charges, is tough, rebounds at both ends, sets good screens, understands the pick and roll, has good hands, has no need for offensive touches, passes the ball with out turning it over, and know's how to play. Doesn't want a lot of money, makes the right play at the right time... always... has no ego, is a great team mate, and is always willing to sacrifice for his team.... slow feet, but brings San Antonio Self Discipline to a team that needs another leader. Blache should model 90% of his game off of Fabricio Oberto.

Posted by: mikeysdad | July 1, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"Personally, I think we should get rid of everyone we have on our team except Mcgee, get whatever draft choices or players under the age of 25 we can for them, and rebuild this team."

"If the Wiz really did that, I wonder how long it would be before you started screaming for the FO's head."

As long as he/she made brave personnel moves, they'd be copasetic with me. I'd much rather go through the agonies of starting over than watch this team be mediocre for another four years before we have to rebuild, condemning us to further mediocrity. That's a 8-year plan there, which is what we're realistically looking at. I've been a Wiz fan since 1979, have seen a majority of their games since then, and am sick of being average/below average. Grunfeld has has not brought a single exceptional starting player to this team in four years. Four, count 'em. Name one he's brought in since Caron in July 2005 that would start on any team that made the semifinals.

"This team is going to be good THIS season! No more crazy talk!"

Hope so, fear not.

"Sammy

Why would you want Etan and his contract back? Pech, which of his contributions will the wizards miss?"

Jeez, don't want him back. I was merely saying that he is about as good as some of the names being bandied about as potential big man/free agent pick ups... Pops, Bass, etc. What I want is a real frontcourt player, the type of guy one can imagine giving headaches to Cleveland and Orlando. Whoever mentioned Marc Gasol has the right idea, that guy is tough and has definite skills.

Those who think 15 minutes from some 5 pt & 5 rb filler is going to push this team over the top are dreaming. We need quality bigs, not another Etan Thomas.

"I hate stupid people that think you run a team like NBA Live and hit the release player button and just pick up 14 more.

Just keep McGee? Seriously? JaVale McGee is gonna be your cornerstone? Because he had some nice dunks? A few nice blocks?

7'0 center with the body of a SF...he's a good 2 years away from being solid EVERY NIGHT. He's too small and fundamentally horrible right now. I don't understand some people thought processes sometimes."

Who said cornerstone? I think we need to rebuild young, like, say, Oklahoma City, and that of all our young guys, he has the most potential. Actually, I would love to be bad for a couple years to get the high lottery picks we need to truly contend. This team, as constituted, will not make it past the second round of the playoffs. Abe is already overspending, hence, there's no way we'll make any blockbuster moves in the 2010 free agent class. Meanwhile, we are tied up in bad long-term deals. This team is doomed to mediocrity, which is why we should start the process immediately.


Posted by: SammyT1 | July 1, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

the wiz haven't finished higher than the 4th seed since 05-06 season. during that span they've dipped as low as the sixth or seventh seed. last year they only won 19 games. what about mike miller and foye gives me the confidence that the wiz can go from the third worst team in the league to one of the top 16?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 30, 2009 1:44 PM
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Have you been in a coma? We're also getting our presumptive best player and our legit NBA center back for this season. Your post are consistently some on the most mind boggling in here! Top 16 is a given unless they have another rash of injuries and this year they do have some depth to sustain themselves with a normal level of injuries. Your going to get torched when this season gets underway!!!

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 1, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

It would be great if this were a philanthropy blog...but it's a Wizard blog and you have to admit the team hasn't done much in the last 30 years?

Abe Pollin, did spend his own money ($200M?) to build the Verizon Center and now the Wizards are worth 383 million!

He built the Verizon Center to make a profit like most people who start a business want to do. If the man was a saint like people on here make him out to be, why doesn't he open the doors and let the fans come and see the games for free?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 30, 2009 4:22 PM
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Why you call yourself Bulletsfan is beyond me? What is your point here? Are you kidding me?

The owners that should open their building for free games are the ones where the tax payers pay for up to half of the arenas/stadiums or more. Not only that, but Abe revitalized an entire section of downtown. So, the city has benefited greatly from Pollin's arena! And he should not make a profit from it??? Move to France or something. This is America where taking risks and investing wisely sometimes make you a very rich person! Kudos to Abe for his wise investment. Seems to me your just jealous!

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 1, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Maybe this thread has run it's course, but what's with all the whining??? You don't like Kal's points or arguments then don't argue with him or read his posts! Frankly, he is consistently one of the most well thought out and interesting posters in here. I've argued with him as well, but I don't whine bc he may or may not give me some validation of my own opinions. I don't need it as some of you in here seem to. Like he said, it's like there are a bunch of schoolboys in here. Grow up!

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 1, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Here's what I know: those "five free agents" aren't selling any tickets this year. None. Wiz tix will be cheap and plentiful.

Posted by: gbooksdc | July 1, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

During the '70s the Bucks won the most NBA games (492), followed by the Lakers (485), Baltimore/Washington Bullets (483), Celtics (477), and Knicks (458)


Thank you iphone ugrade

Posted by: Chocolate_City | July 1, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Here's what I know: those "five free agents" aren't selling any tickets this year. None. Wiz tix will be cheap and plentiful.

Posted by: gbooksdc | July 1, 2009 7:00 PM
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And you "know" this how? lol I'm sure they will sell plenty of tickets and probably quite a few as this team at it's worst will be highly competitive and more likely a top 5 seed in the East. So, maybe just not to you!

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 1, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

It's funny how people on here like other teams junk more than the young players we have. Under a good coach and playing the same minutes as haywood and blatche, McGee will have better numbers easily. He'll become 1 of the best centers in the league. Go back and look at Howard when he came into the league. Also for all the Nick Young bashers I'm not sure what you're looking at. Last year under Tapp was a joke for both players. Play 2 minutes sit the restof the game. Not play for 3 games. Then you had Jamison trying to hold on to his position by bad mouthing the young guys. Jamison is lucky he's playing for the Wiz. On most other teams he'd be the 6th man. Nick will average 20 a gm when given the time and McGee will get 10 to 15 pts and 10 reb along with 2 to 3 blocks.

This team isn't going to win a championship this year. Varejao would be the perfect fit for this team. He can play the 4 or 5 and has energy galore. Varejao is a winner. All these other players (smith, wilcox, camby etc.)have been around the block and have major flaws. I'm tired of watching the Wiz play against other teams and the difference athletism is obvious.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | July 1, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

My top choices:

1. Drew Gooden
2. Chris Wilcox
3. Charlie Villanueva
4. Antonio McDyess

Posted by: Independent11 | July 1, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Re:
This is the first year the man has gone over the cap....if he ends up paying 10 million into the luxury cap fund this year...that won't even be a drop in the bucket compared to the amount he has made from the fund over the last 25 years.
Idiot.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 1, 2009 6:06 AM

Do you enjoy just making this Sh*t up? The Luxury Tax has been around since the 1999 CBA (Collective Bargaining Agreement) only 10 years- but originally did not guarantee the sharing of the tax payments with the other teams. The new Luxury Tax Rules went into effect with the summer 2005 CBA. Since it has been in effect (2005-2008) teams have gone over the tax level 19 times with NY, Dallas, SA & Denver accounting for 10 out of the 19.


Posted by: ljack666 | July 1, 2009 11:15 AM

THANK YOU!!! someone who finally understands something about the business.

bulletsfan78: It doesnt matter about the Luxury Tax at all. You can't avoid forever. If they didn't teams to get up the Luxury Tax then there wouldn't be one you ding dong. Look at the New York Knicks...there are always paying the Luxury Tax cause they gave out outragious contracts to stars who didnt need all the money. Teams at some point now or later will be paying the Luxury Tax if they were under for a long period of time. Look at the Orlando Magic...this is first time in years they will be paying the Luxury Tax. So don't give me that bull about weļl be paying the Luxury Tax for the first time in so many years. Can you at at least come up with some real information that actually has some meaning to it and not that crazy bull you talkin about all the time. man you really need to read more.

Posted by: dontecurtis | July 2, 2009 4:03 AM | Report abuse

Trade Deshawn, James and Young, drop Dixon and pickup rebounding beast Millsap. Then if we pickup a defense-minded F or PF we look like:

Starters:
Arenas
Butler
Jamison
Millsap
Haywood

Bench:
Foye
Miller
McGuire
Blatch
McGhee

Critt and the added TBD player or two.

That aint so bad.

Posted by: precaryus1 | July 1, 2009 2:38 PM

Idiot. Were you high when you wrote this? Stop coming up with these stupid trades that will never happen. Millsap is not coming to the Wiz bud. The Jazz will retain him. Why get rid of Young? Are you really stupid. I think Young was the best thing that happen to us since LH left. Sure he still a work in progress but he definitely has shown his stuff when he his moments.

Seriously enough of these wacky trade dreams your having...it makes look dumb as heck

Posted by: dontecurtis | July 2, 2009 4:10 AM | Report abuse

Can someone tell me what happened to Ivan Carter?

I'm just curious.

Posted by: WizForLifePilipinas | July 2, 2009 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Can someone tell me what happened to Ivan Carter?

I'm just curious.

Posted by: WizForLifePilipinas | July 2, 2009 7:05 AM | Report abuse

And the there were three ...

My top choices:

1. Drew Gooden
2. Chris Wilcox
--- 3. Charlie Villanueva - signed to Detroit Pistons ---
4. Antonio McDyess

Posted by: Independent11 | July 2, 2009 7:19 AM | Report abuse

there's really only 1 guy to target: Zaza Pachulia

-excellent experienced backup center, can guard 4s and 5s, hopefully not a bank-breaker, and frees up Blatche and McGee from having to play at the 5 too much.

EG, make it happenCAPTAIN!!!

Posted by: audiohysteria | July 2, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

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Join BTA if you like to discuss the NBA and basketball in general with people all over the net. it's a growing forum and it's co owned by a wizards fan! Go wizards!

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Posted by: ukhan93 | July 3, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

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