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Hill Visiting D.C.

As I reported yesterday, the Wizards are bringing in Arizona forward Jordan Hill for an individual workout on Thursday. Hill is already in town, so if you happen to see a skinny, 6-foot-10 guy with dreadlocks to his shoulders walking around town, it might be him.

I had a chance to speak with Hill in Chicago at the pre-draft combine and talked about his surprising rise from unheralded high school player, to Arizona reserve, to starter, to potential top five pick in the NBA draft. Hill averaged 18.3 points, 11 rebounds and 1.7 blocks last season at Arizona.

Hill is rated as the third-best big man available after Blake Griffin and Hasheem Thabeet. He is reportedly coveted by the New York Knicks, who have the eighth pick. There still is the potential for Hill to fall, since it appears that Sacramento will draft a point guard -- possibly Ricky Rubio -- with the No. 4 pick.

The Clippers are going with Griffin and Memphis and Oklahoma City don't appear to be interested in Hill. With the Knicks also interested in Stephen Curry, there is a possibility that Hill could slide to the bottom of the top 10. The Mavericks are also reportedly interested in Hill and might be willing to make a deal with the Wizards to get him in Dallas.

Of course, if the Wizards take him and keep him, he'd fill the Wizards' requirement to have someone with the name Jordan affiliated with the organization for every season this decade.

By Michael Lee  |  June 17, 2009; 5:37 PM ET
 
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So Mike,Dallas and Washington are talking about a deal can you tell us more on this.

good work Mike.

Posted by: brandonjamal13 | June 17, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Dallas has nothing we should take. Maybe a three team deal.

Posted by: photoassign | June 17, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Dallas has nothing we should take. Maybe a three team deal.

Posted by: photoassign | June 17, 2009 5:53 PM
Who would be involved in the three team deal?

Posted by: brandonjamal13 | June 17, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

"Dallas has nothing we should take."

Dallas has quite a few pieces the Wiz should take, but not much of it they're likely to offer.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 17, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Given the way this team operates, I think Harden is the safe pick but if I was the GM it would be Hill. You can never have too many tall longarmed guys on the team.

Typically if a guy is a good rebounder in college at that level, he'll be good in the pros. It's not often that you see a good one in college fail in the NBA particularly because the zones in college make it harder to excel because of so many crowded bodies in the paint.

I say go with Hill and stick with the combo of NY and Deshaw (hoping NY wins the job outright soon). Hill might just turn into our best rebounder assuming AJ is on the downside.

Posted by: original_mark | June 17, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Haven't heard a lot of talk about David Lee - could he be in the mix if NY wants our pick? I think he'd be a great fit here.

Posted by: tigerquoll | June 17, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

i'd love to have josh howard, but i may be a little biased.

in all reality, i'm totally cool with picking stephen curry. i honestly think he's going to be the guy who these top teams pass on and everyone looks back and realizes what a huge mistake they made.

Posted by: akdeac31 | June 17, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

This team needs a starting 2. Vince, Jason Richardson, Manu? Not Terry or Howard.

As for Hill, I would love to see Blatche be given more opportunity at the 4 (reserve). Stick him there and leave him there. He's not a 5 or a 3. Let him grow at one spot.

What do you guys think of McGee at the 4? The Wiz tried it a bit against Toronto (rewatched the game the other night). If they brought in Mullens, is that part of the Wiz's thinking?

Posted by: photoassign | June 17, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Josh Howard would be a big improvement for the Wiz at the 2 (assuming Arenas is running the show on offense).

No rookie will start on this team, and there are plenty of young players needing minutes and coaching to improve.

The 5 pick is long gone. It's just a question of what comes in this direction.

Posted by: Izman | June 17, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Typically if a guy is a good rebounder in college at that level, he'll be good in the pros. It's not often that you see a good one in college fail in the NBA particularly because the zones in college make it harder to excel because of so many crowded bodies in the paint.

Posted by: original_mark | June 17, 2009 6:48 PM

Ike Diogu and Channing Frye were good rebounders too. The Pac-10 is a guard conference, any big guy can rebound there. I think Pendegraph is a better prospect in the second round. He's not as physically gifted as Hill, but he's a much smarter player.

Posted by: djnnnou | June 17, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Hill is already in town, so if you happen to see a skinny, 6-foot-10 guy with dreadlocks to his shoulders walking around town, it might be him.

By Michael Lee | June 17, 2009; 5:37 PM ET

Or it might be Mikki Moore. Ernie has been promising to bring in a vet this year.

Posted by: djnnnou | June 17, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm just happy that ETaps and Ernie played the young guys last year to see who could play or not......

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 17, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Tall, skinny with dreads to the shoulders? that's half of the black male population of d.c. 15-35

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 17, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

not talkin greasy i'm 28 w/cornrows

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 17, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

re: Hill.../pass

Posted by: usiel3 | June 17, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Isn't this the guy that could not bench press 185lbs. 10-times?

This guy is a Project, with a capital "P". Blatche has already been here 3-4 years and get his chest caved in nightly.

Posted by: oknow1 | June 18, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Draft for need in the second, best player available at the top of the lottery. There are potential future stars at the fifth... Derozan, Evans, Curry, Jennings. Why pass up their potential for another project big? I saw Hill play a couple games last year. He has size, is bright, well-spoken and has some raw skills, but was nowhere close to being dominant. One could hardly even call him a game-changer. He's a 'quiet' player who gets his numbers methodically, not the firebrand stud enforcer we've needed for so long. He will languish behind Jamison and will struggle to unseat Blatche in year one. Actually, he's a lot like Blatche, with bigger muscles, a better knack for rebounding, and the same deft touch. Blatche, were he to go to a gym for once, bulk up and realize his potential... would BE our Jordan Hill choice, essentially giving us another top five pick. Jordan is an 8 pt/8 r player his first two years, eventually topping out, maybe, at 12 points and 9 boards per. A nice piece, but not a real game changer. Now Evans, Derozan and Curry on the other hand...

Posted by: SammyT1 | June 18, 2009 3:54 AM | Report abuse

instead of drafting Hill I would rather see the Wizards trade ET, MJ and OP and the 5th pick and our 2nd round pick for Stoudemire and the 14th pick

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 18, 2009 5:42 AM | Report abuse

Bench press is an all but useless metric. Caron Butler only managed 2 reps when he entered the league. At age 20, don't worry about strength, worry about work ethic.

Posted by: yop32 | June 18, 2009 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Jordan Hill does have upside. He has only played basketball since his Sophomore year of High School as I recall.
However, I don't think he would be that much of an improvement over Blatche as backup PF until his third year at the earliest.
If Harden isn't taken at #3 by OKC then we need to draft him. The guys he is compared to,Brandon Roy and Manu Ginobili, were NBA ready like James is. They contributed right away and Harden can challenge Stevenson and/ or Nick Young for 8 to 12 minutes a game as a rookie.
I also like Tyreke Evans versatility and defense so he would also be a good pick.
However,Ernie has dealt the #5 pick to Dallas in a trade in the past so that could happen too.

Posted by: jeremybozz | June 18, 2009 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Draft express updated their mockdraft.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2009/

They have the grizzlies taken harden and the bullets taken curry.... also according to them, our 2nd pick is going to be Opech #2 but this time a SG. Can't wait for draft day to get rid of all these rumors and speculations....

Posted by: Goelez | June 18, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

i say trade with the Nicks and pick up DeRozan, Evans, flynn, Jennings or Hill.

If the Nicks wanted the 5th, what would they have to give up? Anybody have an idea? If it involves Jared Jeffries, I say "no way."

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | June 18, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

The Knicks are a logical trading partner because they need to move up to 5 to get Curry or up to 2 to get Rubio.

The knicks have assets that may interest the Wiz. There is not a big difference between the 5 and the 8, as starters (I like Derozan or Flynn at 8 a lot). The Knicks can offer the Wiz money savings in the form of Mobley's paid by insurance contract for Etan and/or James expiring contracts. The Knicks could also later in July include Lee or Nate in a S&T.
Its possible the Wiz would take back Jeffries 2 year deal, depending on what else is in the deal. He is no all star but is a versatile role player who can play defense. Hughes, Harrington, Q are also veteran expiring contracts. The main thing with the Knicks is that they do not want to take back contracts into 2010 and need to move Eddie Curry and Jeffries (and not re-sign either Lee or nate) before the end of next season or sooner to free up cap space to sign LeBron AND Bosh and one more from Camby or Nash. The Knicks will move up and the Wiz will move down or out---it just makes too much sense.

Posted by: wizfanatic | June 18, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Draft day already.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 18, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

What difference does it make how many bench presses a guy can do? It's basketball, not Olympic weightlifting.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 18, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

What difference does it make how many bench presses a guy can do? It's basketball, not Olympic weightlifting.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 18, 2009 10:14 AM

Kal,

Maybe there is a reason they call it power forward? It's a position where you need body strength to block your man out. How well did Bol do in the NBA?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 18, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Larry,

still waiting for my brews for the last 4 seasons Gil has not won a championship.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 18, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

If the Zards believe they are ready to compete this season for the Eastern Conference title, then they should be talking to Antonio McDyess. A veteran backup that knows what Flip Saunders wants from his 4 and 5s; is a minimum contract guy; great lockerroom vet and the closest thing to a big man coach in the organization.

Then use the fifth pick on the best 3 point shooter in the draft, which happens to be Stephen Curry..

Finally pray the curse of Les Boulez takes a season off...

Posted by: bozomoeman | June 18, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

If bench press is useless then why did they include it in the combine. Oh wait, NFL should discard bench press in their draft workout as well since it's not an "Olympic weighlifting".

Posted by: Dave381 | June 18, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I know Ernie plays his cards close to his vest but it seems like no one has any idea what the heck the Wiz will do.

Posted by: lavar609 | June 18, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

on nbadraft.net they did an evaluation of Southeast team needs. One thing they noted, which i am in total agreement, is James and Etan's expiring contracts are more valuable before the trade deadline than they are now. If the wiz believe they are a playoff caliber team with the current roster, then it makes sense to wait until the trade deadline to deal James and Etan for a player that can push them into contention for the Easter Conf. championship, when teams out of playoff contention are looking to dump salary in order to clear space for 2010.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | June 18, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I agree with the comments that Blatche is equal to Hill. I also think Harden, Evens, Derozen have just as much upside/bust potential as Nick Young. And Both Blatche and Young have a few years under their belts. I can't see the Wiz paying the luxury tax for a duplication of young talent.

On the other hand, I'm coming around on Curry, he could be a difference-maker. Someone mentioned Curry running the Pick and Roll with McGee...that has tremendous potential. Much moreso than Critt

Posted by: cballer | June 18, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

A Wizards Knick deal makes some sense. But actually when Memphis gets closer to the draft, they may look a lot closer at what the Knicks could have to offer.

Lee could fill a real need for Memphis and Nate could fit there as well. Moving back to the 8th pick could yield Memphis the choice of some really interesting players.

The Knicks do seem determined to move up and to shed some contracts in the process. The question is, who do they want more, Rubio, or Curry? The five pick should yield Curry, to get Rubio, they may have to get up to the two.

The other question is, does Memphis really pine for Thabeet? Or are they just going through the motions of taking him while they work to deal down.

If Memphis deals down for someone moving up to take Rubio, Then the top of this draft gets skewed around. OK City is rumored to really like Harden. But they're supposed to be looking at Rubio with their pick, if he goes off the board do they turn to Thabeet, or take Harden at the 3, do they deal down a couple of spots and then pick Harden?

Since the Kings seem to be in point guard mode, they don't seem to be the logical taker for Harden or Thabeet. If someone moves up to take Rubio at the 2nd pick or Thabeet goes 2nd and Rubio 3rd, it stands to reason Harden drops to the five, since the Kings seem intent on getting a point.

If the draft plays out with Rubio going before the Kings, it sure looks like one of the points that has been slotted to go behind the Wiz goes at the 4 to the Kings.

Ernie seems to be biding his time, He might be able to sit tight and get Harden. Much longer shot that Thabeet drops past the third pick.
But he might be able to move up to the 3rd pick and take Thabeet and OK City would take Harden at the 5th pick.

OK City has had the rep for making shrewd deals. If somebody else moves up to get Rubio ahead of the Knicks, would OK City trade down twice? And pull another deal so the Knicks could get Curry and then maybe pick up more assets and the 8th pick.

Did I get your head spinning on that one Larry? This could be a wild draft night. I predict there could be a record number of trades before the night is out. As Mike James said,"In this League one man's diamond is another team's trash!"
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | June 18, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

"If bench press is useless then why did they include it in the combine. Oh wait, NFL should discard bench press in their draft workout as well since it's not an "Olympic weighlifting"."

Yeah, because basketball and football are pretty much the exact same sport. Genius.

How many bench presses do you think Allen Iverson can do? Tayshaun Prince? Rip Hamilton? Reggie Miller? Yeah, if only those guys could move the bar, they'd have been great players. Skinny losers.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 18, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

"No rookie will start on this team, and there are plenty of young players needing minutes and coaching to improve." - Izman

I actually think Harden would challenge to start at the 2. Remember, Flip is bringing in a new offense. So none of our current guards have any experience with Flip or his system. Right now, barring any unforeseen miracle trades, I think Harden falling to the 5th is the best possible scenario for us, but it's beginning to look like he may go earlier.

"instead of drafting Hill I would rather see the Wizards trade ET, MJ and OP and the 5th pick and our 2nd round pick for Stoudemire and the 14th pick" - bulletsfan78

I would love that trade, but seeing as how it sounds like the wolves are offering Jefferson and their first pick, there's no way the Suns take us up on that offer.

Posted by: segastyle | June 18, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

"Maybe there is a reason they call it power forward? It's a position where you need body strength to block your man out."

Not every player at PF is a he-man Hulk. I doubt Dirk or Bosh set too many weightlifting records at predraft camps. Yet, they seem to have done alright for themselves in the NBA, don't you think? Also, that line of "reasoning" assumes that Hill (A) necessarily will be a PF in the NBA (Prince was a PF (and played some C) in college) and/or (B) is somehow unable to add muscle when put on a pro-level training regimen. Neither presumption, however, has any basis in proven fact.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 18, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

"How many bench presses do you think Allen Iverson can do? Tayshaun Prince? Rip Hamilton? Reggie Miller? Yeah, if only those guys could move the bar, they'd have been great players. Skinny losers"

I guess you can say the same thing with Karl Malone, Ben Wallace, Ron Artest, Lebron, Robinson, etc. Seriously, you can only name 4 out of hundreds of player. Yes, you're the genius.

Are you the same know-it-all guy that keeps on saying that AB and NY needs to go weights room more often?

Posted by: Dave381 | June 18, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Trade our 5th pick, Darius Songalia, and Mike James to the Bulls for Kirk Hinrich, Anthony Roberson (filler to match contracts) and their 16th pick in the Draft. If they reject that offer then you settle for their 26th pick in round 1. Roberson has a team option on his contract so you cut him.

Hope that Eric Maynor falls to #26 (the best pure point in the draft) and take him to back up Gil. Maybe then sell the #32 pick for cash considerations. Then you have a veteran starting 5 and young backups.

Arenas- Hinrich- Butler- Jamison- Haywood

Maynor- Young- Stevenson- Blatche- McGee

and Also Dom Mcguire. Maybe pick up a vet forward with the cash from the draft pick. That team can contend

Posted by: jeffco01 | June 18, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Is that a straw man argument from the straw man accuser? LOL.

I don't think that bulletsfan78 was talking about needing that kind of strength for guards or small forwards. I think he was referring to Power forwards. It's true. If you can't bench it makes it harder to box out. Of course lower body strength is much more important because you have to be able to gain and then hold your position.

Posted by: original_mark | June 18, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Dallas has quite a few pieces the Wiz should take, but not much of it they're likely to offer.

Posted by: kalo_rama
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Other than Dirk, who else do you have in mind as "quite a few pieces?"

Kidd is an unrestricted FA whom Dallas cannot offer, and is likely having a price tag that Wiz cannot afford; while Dallas is reportedly offering Josh Howard or Jason Terry, arguably their 2nd and 3rd best players (excluding Kidd).

Posted by: sagaliba | June 18, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Ah, another blog entry about the players we won't be drafting because we are trading our pick. Keep 'em coming!

Posted by: Barno1 | June 18, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I don't see how Howard with all of his off the court issues and Terry who is 6 2" shooting guard would be a big help to the Wiz. Howard has generally played the 3 like Caron and is not a great ballhandler or passer. Unless the Wiz think that DSteve won't be back next year and need a veteran to man the 2 spot, I don't think Howard is the answer. Like Arenas, Butler, and Jamision, both Terry and Howard are used to getting their share of shots on the offensive end. Last I checked, there was only one basketball to go around and Agent Zero likes it in his hands most of the time.

I still like a trade with New York which would involve us picking up David Lee in exchange for our No. 5 and one of our bad contracts like Etan's or James. Lee is a proven 4 who rebounds, scores, and plays better defense than anyone else we have at that position. He's also young enough to groom to eventually replace Jamison.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 18, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Jeffco01,
I don't understand your proposed deal and subsequent draft of Maynor. Why would the Wiz trade the 5 to pick up Heinrich and then draft a point guard? Sure, Heinrich brings some point skills and would probably play off Gil pretty well, but is he worth the 5th pick? IMO, no way. And then you suggest, after acquiring Heinrich, they use the 16th pick to grab Maynor. To do what? Play 3rd string point? Plus, it sounds like Gordon is on his way out in Chicago, so Heinrich's services will be needed.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | June 18, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

"Hope that Eric Maynor falls to #26 (the best pure point in the draft) and take him to back up Gil. Maybe then sell the #32 pick for cash considerations."

I like Maynor. But I think what I like most about him is his consistency. He's not outstanding in any one area, but he's very productive in a bunch of them. He goes to the basket well, he can pull up and hit the 3, he's not turnover-prone... all things that usually spell career backup, unless he winds up in a good situation.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 18, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Trade our 5th pick, Darius Songalia, and Mike James to the Bulls for Kirk Hinrich, Anthony Roberson (filler to match contracts) and their 16th pick in the Draft. If they reject that offer then you settle for their 26th pick in round 1. Roberson has a team option on his contract so you cut him.

Posted by: jeffco01 | June 18, 2009 11:35 AM

I like the thought of a Bulls deal. I wouldn't even mind going all the way down to their 26th. Then take someone like Derrick Brown from Xavier - who has length, athleticism and scoring potential.

But do the Bulls really care about the 5th slot? Would they want Jordan Hill or Curry?

Posted by: Kev29 | June 18, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

If , as stated above expiring contracts are more valuable at trade deadline, then it really makes even more sense to use the #5 and take Evans(all of the naysayerswill be sorry later),and make deal for the player that fits the teams needs.

Posted by: bossclifnpooh2 | June 18, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Soory about that , didnt finish. But at the trade deadkine unload the expiring contracts ie. ET, MB to teams trying to make cap space

Posted by: bossclifnpooh2 | June 18, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

"Lee is a proven 4 who rebounds, scores, and plays better defense than anyone else we have at that position. He's also young enough to groom to eventually replace Jamison." - wizfan89

People on this board really have a fascination with Lee. He does not play better defense than anyone else we have at that position. Both Blatche and Songaila play as good or better defense at the 4 spot. Lee is not a great defender, just a great rebounder. At 26, he can and should improve some still, but I wouldn't say he's a young player who can still be 'groomed.' Blatche, on the other hand is only 22. He's a more gifted scorer out of the half-court (almost all of Lee's scoring comes from breaks or trash put-backs), and he's a better help defender. He's already a better defender at the 4 (Blatche's main issues are defending the 5 spot, where he is just too slight).

Right now the biggest advantage Lee has over Blatche is consistency, but at 26 verses 22, and considering the playing time Lee gets because NY had no one else to play, that's to be expected. Blatche also is only costing us about 3 mil a year average each of the next 3 years. Lee will cost 3 times that much.

If the goal is to pay someone now to replace Jamison 3 years from now, I'd rather have that someone be 25 versus 29 when the time comes. If you want to trade for Lee, and then trade away Jamison for some more help, that would make more sense, but Lee wouldn't really be an upgrade over Jamison. Way less offense, little bit more rebounding, and the same defense.

Posted by: segastyle | June 18, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

We need a SG and a Pf to improve the team. The value of our two expiring contracts is going up as the mid season is approching.An expected all star level players would be on market before the midseason.I believe we need a cup space to sign both our draf picks.Is there any mecanism to pay off the contract of perch.?,if this is the case there is no need to make a trade now.If trade is a must for cup space creation, i will still think twice before i involve the #5 and both expiring contract. It might be fine to involve sangalia's big contract and perch. If chicago decide to sign gordon it is a very appropriate move to try to get hinirich to washington with the #5 pick and james(3.7+6.4= 10.1)Hinirich is a little more than 9 million a year.Depending up on the performance of the team and avaliablity of better chance the front desk of washington need to continue to work in using the remaining expiring contract for a Pf..

Posted by: gtefferra | June 18, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Blatche's defense can be unappreciated and get lost in his inconsistency. He is a decent man-defender. His length gave KGarnett problems and then his weakside shotblocking is a positive as well.

Posted by: G-Man11 | June 18, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I remember reading that Kwame could bench press 325 when he was a high school senior, and look where that got him. The correlation between bench-pressing ability and basketball performance is virtually nonexistent.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | June 18, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Strength, speed, power, quickness, leap, jump, hand-eye coordination, etc., don't mean anything if you can't play. Individually or collectively, it don't matter. They do enhance your ability to play though, who are we kidding. To isolate one makes no sense. Like someone said before, Rip, Reggie Miller, Tayshaun Prince, probably had poor bench press scores but they can play. Shaq, Zo, Karl Malone, etc could probably bench a ton and they can play as well. Kwame was athletically decent, but can't play. Yes he can play post defense, which his bench press ability helps, along with his height and weight, but overall, his game has proven suspect. Blatche can play. Improving his bench will enhance his post defense. Don't kid yourselves.

Posted by: G-Man11 | June 18, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

The closer we get to the draft the dumber the posts get on this page.

Comparing importance of strength with AI, Reggie Miller etc to a power forward is one of the most idiotic comparisons I have ever seen. True strength isnt the biggest test but you would hope that a top 10 pf would have more strength that what Hill has shown.

Saying Blatche and Hill are equals??? Come on now! Blatche is just one year older than Hill and has proven he can play in this league. Hill hasnt had the chance to do so yet, but to say they are equal is ridiculous.

Hill has emerged due in large part to more talented younger bigs staying in school (Ed Davis, Greg Monroe). If those guys would have came out Hill would be a mid to late 1st round pick. Lets get real.

What this team needs is a legit 3 point shooter and a tough interior presence.

If no trade happens, take Curry or Harden at 5 then look at some bigs in the 2nd like Taj Gibson, Josh Heytvelt, & Jeff Pendergraph

Posted by: DMoney28 | June 18, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"I don't think that bulletsfan78 was talking about needing that kind of strength for guards or small forwards."

Well, since I wasn't responding to what bulletsfan78 said when I mentioned Iverson, Prince, et al, what difference does it make what he meant? If you'd actually read before responding (scary new territory for you, I know) you'd have seen that my direct response to bulletsfan78 specifically addressed the PF issue.

Be careful of those splinters, boyo.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 18, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Blatche is a terrible man-to-man defender. He doesn't move his feet on defense and reaches too much. He blocks a few shots, but even that fell by they wayside last season because he came in out of shape and overweight. The indelible image of Blatche's defense is Kwame-effing-Brown putting the ball on the floor at the top of the key and driving by Blatche for uncontested layups. Twice. In the same game. In the same quarter.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 18, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"Seriously, you can only name 4 out of hundreds of player. Yes, you're the genius."

I named 4 players who became perennial all-stars despite the fact that they didn't meet your fantasy league standards for bench press benchmarks. You're assuming automatic failure for a guy who hasn't played a nanosecond of NBA basketball despite the fact that most of the people who are paid to actually know something about basketball have him rated very highly.

So you're a genius and clairvoyant.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 18, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

And bringing up Malone and Wallace does nothing to help your point and does nothing to dispute mine. The fact that guys who are physical brutes succeeded does not, in any way, shape or form, automatically make being a physical brute a prerequisite of success. Who do you think had the better bench press: Kwame Brown or Hakeem?

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 18, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"Are you the same know-it-all guy that keeps on saying that AB and NY needs to go weights room more often? "

Nope. I'm the one who said he needed to get stronger, which he does. And as I made quite clear during the previous discussion on that topic, "getting stronger" does not automatically equate to pumping iron 8 hours a day until he looks like Mr. Universe era-Schwarzenegger.

So. . . nice try but another miss.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 18, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Pick Evans end of story.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | June 18, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

dcinmd1.....seems as though it's just you and I that relly gets it. It's Evans , Evans, Evans. Like you said-- The End.....

Posted by: bossclifnpooh2 | June 18, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Really

Posted by: bossclifnpooh2 | June 18, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

"You're assuming automatic failure for a guy who hasn't played a nanosecond of NBA basketball despite the fact that most of the people who are paid to actually know something about basketball have him rated very highly."

Okay since my original reply was block I'll just be very nice this time... a PG rating. Okay Kal, re-read my posts and see and write down anything that I mentioned anything that downgrade his capabilities. Hmmmm....nothing.

Posted by: Dave381 | June 19, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"The fact that guys who are physical brutes succeeded does not, in any way, shape or form, automatically make being a physical brute a prerequisite of success."

I think another guy has already made that point.....Of course it does not but how will you learn more of a player that hasn't played a single second in the NBA. Let's see, you test his shooting, jumping ability, endurance, alot more and STRENGHT. Okay, take another shot.

Posted by: Dave381 | June 19, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

"Nope. I'm the one who said he needed to get stronger, which he does."

So how does a player gets stronger buy going to the gym and doing yoga and dancing lessons???? They do it by lifting weights....and yes that includes bench pressing. I suggest you stop wasting too much time in this blog and go to a gym so you know what people do.

Posted by: Dave381 | June 19, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

"getting stronger" does not automatically equate to pumping iron 8 hours a day until he looks like Mr. Universe era-Schwarzenegger.

So. . . nice try but another miss."

When did I say that???? A miss? Not when the bullseye is a size of Texas.

Posted by: Dave381 | June 19, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

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