Hill Workout, Arenas Update

Arizona junior forward Jordan Hill completed his workout a few hours ago and you can check out my story in tomorrow's paper. I'll get back to Hill a little later, but I wanted to share a little information with you guys about your favorite Gilbert.

I never got the chance to run into Gilbert Arenas at the NBA Finals, but Washington Times reporter Mike Jones stumbled into him in the hallway during Game 4. Arenas told Jones that he plans on spending this summer working out with the famed trainer Tim Grover, who worked with Michael Jordan and helped Dwyane Wade resurrect his career last season and finish third in MVP voting behind LeBron James and Kobe Bryant.

Although I didn't get Arenas, I did talk for a while with Grover, who was at every game working exclusively for Finals MVP Bryant. Grover told me that he expects Arenas to come to his Attacks Athletics facility in Chicago in about two weeks. Arenas has committed to coming and Grover said while he hasn't seen Arenas's medical records, he estimated that it will take at least a two month commitment for Arenas to get the necessary training required. He added that several stars overcoming left knee injuries, including Tracy McGrady and Jermaine O'Neal, are expected to be in Chicago this summer.

The Wizards support Arenas's decision to train elsewhere and will likely send someone up to Chicago to keep an eye on him, which is similar to what the Heat did with Wade last season. With Arenas already back to his playing weight from five years ago, maybe Grover can help him return to that all-star, all-NBA form again. And, given how Wade bounced back to the form that made him Finals MVP in 2006, this might be the best move for Arenas, who hasn't had much luck with his rehabilitation since injuring his left knee in April 2007.

As for Hill, he has been working out this summer at Attacks Athletics in Chicago. In one month with Grover's team, Hill was able to generate enough strength to bench press 185 pounds 11 times at the draft combine. Before going to Grover, Hill said he may have done it once. Hill is a solid athlete with a decent jump shot, but based on what I could see in his workout, he remains a bit raw. He will take some time to develop, but he is considered to have upside, even though he turns 22 next month.

Of course, the Wizards have had some success with another Arizona product the past few years. Hill said Arenas spoke with him on Thursday before his workout with the Wizards.

"I hope I can be here with him. He came over there and hollered at me," Hill said of Arenas. "Cool dude."

By Michael Lee |  June 18, 2009; 3:22 PM ET
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Good article MIKE, So Mike Do you think Ernie is going to trade this pick.

Posted by: brandonjamal13 | June 18, 2009 3:36 PM

So Mike Do you think Ernie is going to trade this pick.
Posted by: brandonjamal13 | June 18, 2009 3:36 PM

yeah i just got off the phone with Kalorama/Ernie Grunfeld and he said we are getting Tayshaun, Sheed, Iverson, and McNice in exchange for JH, a slam poet and mike james

Posted by: prescrunk | June 18, 2009 3:57 PM

Ernie, please pass on this guy. He doesn't seem to provide anything that the Wiz don't already have.

Seems like Mike reads these blogs. Why else would he have brought up the bench press fact other than to quell the previous discussion?

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | June 18, 2009 3:58 PM

hey MIKE we would like to know about the meeting Flip had last night with season ticket holders.

Posted by: prescrunk | June 18, 2009 4:05 PM

Thanks for the update on Gil. Who are they sending to keep an eye on him? A recently retired vet that is part of the organization or some old lady chaperon?

Posted by: lavar609 | June 18, 2009 4:12 PM

"He doesn't seem to provide anything that the Wiz don't already have."

Do we have the best rebounding team in the Lig? Do we have the best defense? Not that I think that Jordan Hill is the second coming of Dennis Rodman, just that he provides more of an inside presence (at the #5 pick) than Harden, Evans or flavor of the moment, Curry.

Now if you meant to say that he doesn't provide anything the Wiz don't make use of, well that's a different story.

Posted by: mabkhar | June 18, 2009 4:15 PM

heres the latestttttttttttt:

The Suns send Shaquille O'Neal to Cleveland and Amare Stoudemire to Washington.

The Cavs send Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic to Phoenix and Zydrunas Ilgauskas to Washington.

The Wizards send the No. 5 pick, Etan Thomas, Mike James and JaVale McGee to Phoenix and Antawn Jamison to Cleveland.

Call me crazy, but isn't this the ideal deal for all three teams?

The Suns would lose a lot of talent in the deal and basically would be blowing up the team. However, if they think they'll lose Stoudemire next summer anyway and don't believe they have a real shot at winning a title next season, why not get something for Stoudemire now and jump-start the rebuilding process?

In this deal, the Suns would pick up the No. 5 pick and McGee, a talented 7-footer who would be a good fit in Phoenix. More importantly for them, they would save a ton of cash next season. Pavlovic's salary is only partially guaranteed. Wallace likely could be bought out for less than he's owed. And the Suns would take back less money in the deal to begin with. When you factor in the reduction in luxury taxes and consider that they might save enough to eke below the dreaded luxury-tax line ... could owner Robert Sarver really pass on saving potentially $12-14 million in salary and penalties next season?

The Wizards essentially would replace Jamison, a couple of role players (Thomas and James) and two prospects (McGee and the No. 5 pick) with Stoudemire and Ilgauskas. Yes, Jamison is very important to the Wizards, but he'd be replaced by Stoudemire. And Ilgauskas would give them a legit big man in the middle. Suddenly, they would look like contenders for the Eastern Conference crown. And if things don't work out, they'll have cap room in 2010 when Ilgauskas, Stoudemire and Brendan Haywood all come off the books.

And the Cavs? They would get Shaq, whom they apparently like. And Jamison, an athletic scoring 4 who can do what the Cavs' bigs couldn't during the playoffs -- guard someone on the wing.

laws of attraction

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | June 18, 2009 4:16 PM

ET,MJ,AJ,JM and the no 5 pick? so basically the wiz lose 5 players just to get Amare "The Gimp" Stoudamire and watch big z retire. sounds ideal to me

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 18, 2009 4:25 PM

why would we want Ilgauskas? last I checked we needed big guys who rebounded and defended. Ilgauskas is a pretty good offensive player who's pretty poor at the other stuff. Maybe I'm missing something about the way he plays but I don't see that from him.

Amare is intriguing because he could defend. If only he actually wanted to.

Posted by: manifested | June 18, 2009 4:27 PM

Thanks for the arenas portion of this story. As for the other part, yet another piece on a player that we won't draft because we are trading our pick. Keep 'em coming!

Posted by: Barno1 | June 18, 2009 4:28 PM

just to add to jasperhneyaolcom's post, that is not a rumor, but a theory on a good trade by Chad Ford, and as usual the Cavs get everything in it. I completely disagree with Ford about this making us Eastern Conference contenders. Ilgauskas is old and while still overall better than Hayward, he's not as good of a defender, and his offense no longer makes up the difference.

While Stoudemire would be better long-term for us than Jamison at this point, he could also just bolt after this season. And right now, while he's more of an inside player, his total production is not much better than Jamison.

Cleveland gets one of the best scoring PFs in the league, and they get Shaq, who while getting old, played more games, averaged more minutes, was better offensively and defensively than Ilgauskas.

If Phoenix was really that desperate to save money, let's give them our expiring contracts and the 5th pick for Stoudemire. Screw handing a championship over to Cleveland.

Posted by: segastyle | June 18, 2009 4:38 PM

good. keep Arenas away from the Wiz medical staff!

Posted by: sargeantmofo | June 18, 2009 4:43 PM

Front page article over on SI.com about how teams don't need great PGs to win championships --- a view that the numbers seem to support. Worth reading.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 18, 2009 5:20 PM

Thanks for the latest on Arenas. It is always appreciated.

I would not mind hearing how McGee is doing, also. Is he going to a big man's camp this summer to work on footwork and low post moves, along with playing in the summer league? Is he working on his strength?

Interesting that Hill had the smarts to seek out Gorver and improve his bench press strength before the combine. I hope all out young guys are committed to really working on their bodies and games this off season.

Posted by: cannontl | June 18, 2009 5:22 PM

Cardinal Rule #1 when trading - don't make either your prime competition or the strongest team in your conference stronger in any trade. Sending Jamison to Cleveland is never gonna happen. That suggested trade is as funny as the rumor I read of Jamison and the pick for Pavlovic and Wallace. We get cap space and lose an all star, no player of any use, and cleveland gets immensely stronger. Unless Mr. Pollin is part owner of the Cavs and Grunfeld is on their payroll, let's stick to ideas that help the Wizards. By the way, meet and greet with Saunders was great, yo. He is inspiring, and is gonna get some improved action out of key players on our roster. He is gonna have high expectations and explain to them WHY. Two best stories of the night, among others - 'Sheed being instructed to return to the huddle and yell at Flip instead of the referee out on the court to keep from being ejected, and the miracle worker who cured the invalid on the road, gave eyesight to the blind man a little further down the road, and then when reaching the third poor soul, asked him what was wrong as he sobbed by the side of the road. The man said he was a Wizards fan, and the miracle worker sat down beside him and started to sob too. Anyway, that was last season, and this season there are some serious changes coming, including defense, this time for real. I'm a Flip Saunders convert as of last night. Best philosophical advice - your greatest strength can be your greatest weakness, unless you learn how to control it.

Posted by: ragtop4spd | June 18, 2009 7:50 PM

Arenas told Jones that he plans on spending this summer working out with the famed trainer Tim Grover.

Glad to hear that Gil isn't gonna train himself.
I hope Tim G. uses a smaller parachute than Gil used last year.
The post about N.Young was the kind of stuff that we here are looking for.
What are the other Wizzies doing??

Ilgauskas??? gimme a break.

Posted by: VBFan | June 18, 2009 8:18 PM

I want to know who Flip is going to bring in for a big man coach? Look at how much Patrick Ewing has done for Dwight Howards game!

Not Wes Unseld Jr?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 18, 2009 8:26 PM

I read Bill Laimbeer retired from coaching womens basketball and he was a guy with limited talent and a great heart.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 18, 2009 8:30 PM


Spending time in Chicago with Grover means less time from that Great Falls grotto. Clearly money well spent.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 18, 2009 8:50 PM

Arenas is smart to train elsewhere. Jamison was smart to get his surgery elsewhere, in NY like Haywood, i believe.

Posted by: washwiz | June 18, 2009 8:57 PM

Great news on Gilbert. He is giving himself a every chance to get back healthy and better. This type of decision making on his part shows maturity and bodes very well for the future.

Along with knowing too, how McGee is doing this offseason, I would also like to know what JCrit is doing Mike?

AND, I am a bit fed up with these grass is greener on the other side trades. Seems that a lot of you are convinced that we got to trade the house money for somebody elses house money.

Enough already, give me Thabeet and a solid 2nd round selection and lets go for it.


Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 18, 2009 9:15 PM

dude the last thing this team needs is another 7 footer who thinks he's a guard... Ilgauskas is garbage. All these rumors about Jamison are ludicrous. I honestly don't know why some of these reporters have jobs. They seem to speak w/o any knowledge. Jamison is Abe's fav player and Abe said he is willing to go over the tax thresh hold for a winner. So why would there be a salary dump for 2 chumps and why would he agree to trade his fav player for anything less than a stud? all this info is available online so why don't these writer's know more than I do? can I get a gig at ESPN and make up some dumb ish? dam...

Posted by: unkonchus | June 18, 2009 10:09 PM

Wiz have to take Curry. They desperately need a guy that is a lights out 3 point shooter. He also is insurance for for gil.

Posted by: ptp23 | June 18, 2009 10:16 PM

From Chad Ford's trade proposal: "And Jamison, an athletic scoring 4 who can do what the Cavs' bigs couldn't during the playoffs -- guard someone on the wing."

I think the national writers only know about players from teams with more exposure. I am an AJ fan, but I'd never say he could guard a wing.

Posted by: cballer | June 18, 2009 10:18 PM

"Great news on Gilbert. He is giving himself a every chance to get back healthy and better. This type of decision making on his part shows maturity and bodes very well for the future.


Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 18, 2009 9:15 PM "

Even the healthiest of guys can blow their knees out again....curse of Les BouleS.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 18, 2009 10:32 PM

Right, anyone getting paid for writing about likely options for AJ going to Cleveland should be fired for news fabrication. Chad may play fantasy league manager to build up the Cavs, but I doubt that is a priority for the Wizards.

When was the last time anyone heard the Wizards were even interested in getting cap space in anticipation of the 2010 free agent market, or would be willing to miss the playoffs if they could save money? Ludicrous!

Posted by: ragtop4spd | June 18, 2009 11:04 PM

June 19.

RIP Len Bias.


Posted by: jcbcmb68 | June 19, 2009 12:01 AM

"this might be the best move for Arenas, who hasn't had much luck with his rehabilitation since injuring his left knee in April 2007."

It is amusing how everyone skipped over this little tid bit. Tom Knott is the only journalist in town willing to tell the truth, i.e. that the future of the Wizards no longer rests with Areanas and it is time to move on.

But here Michael Lee is finally acknowleding something that every journalist except Tom Knott wants to cover up: Arenas' career as a dependable starter is over.

Next year will be another year of drama surrounding Gilbert's knee: playing every other game... missing weeks at a time... on and on...

Posted by: MeviousMan | June 19, 2009 3:26 AM

I like Jordan Hill. Trouble is, I can't really separate him from four or five other players of very comparable ability. At this point in their careers, they're all most potential.

The exceptions are Griffin (who's already gone) and Thabeet. We have a pretty good idea what those two guys will be once in the NBA (for good and ill). We don't expect Blake to become a point forward nor do we expect Thabeet to score.

Rubio we know less about, mostly because he plays on another continent. The Olympics help us evaluate him, but Olympic ball is a diffrent game. We do know that he played at the very highest level of European basketball (unlike Brandon Jennings), that he essentially led a team of older players to a high level, that he plays defense and can't yet shoot. But as to how he'll fare against Chris Paul and Derrick Rose, we're really just guessing.

But players like Hill and Harden and Jennings and Holiday are very mysterious to GMs. They're like 'workout warriors' in the NFL draft -- those players that dominate the combine and the Senior Bowl practices but who played a single season at this college or that without distinguishing themselves.

You're drafting 'upside'. Which is where great surprises come from, as well as terrible, career-ending mistakes.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 19, 2009 7:16 AM

Just how bad is Gil's knee injury anyway? It sounds that it's worse than we're being told. I think EG needs a plan B.

Posted by: browneri | June 19, 2009 8:00 AM

Just how bad is Gil's knee injury anyway? It sounds that it's worse than we're being told. I think EG needs a plan B.

Posted by: browneri | June 19, 2009 8:03 AM

Samson151, The clip's would never trade Griffin, but both OK City & Memphis, like the Wizards, are entertaining trade offers. The Wiz could trade back and get a vet in the deal, or trade the pick in a package for a vet and free up roster slots.

But I'm a beleiver in trading up to get Thabeet still could be an option. I'm getting real convinced that Harden isn't going to be there at the 5.

If someone besides the Kings trades up to get Rubio, the Kings either entertain trading down and taking one of the many points available, or standing pat and taking one. If they stand pat, that means somebody jumps into the top 4 with Griffin, Thabeet, Harden, and Rubio.

Griffin, and Rubio don't seem to be dropping, and we keep hearing Harden's stock is soaring,everybody seems to love this guy, his maturity and NBA ready game.

If another name gets called in the top 4, Thabeet could be this year's slip'er and be available at the 5. Worst case scenairo would be Curry at the 5.

I'm just not convinced that this is a pick the Wiz should be willing to give up unless the offers are really good. I'm becoming more convinced that like almost every other year somebody(Holliday) will climb unexpectedly in the last week or two, and a really good player slips a little.

The Wiz could find the shooter they need(Curry), or the defensive minded rebounder(Thabeet), by just sitting tight at the 5.

Posted by: flohrtv | June 19, 2009 8:22 AM

Tom Knotts writing style sucks. I quit reading him years ago. He don't know nothin' and can't write as well.

@MeviousMan. Ask yourself why every other journalist in town is not saying that Gilbert is through as a starter.

Could it be that every other journalist in town knows that, that assertion is yet to be determined, like, not known yet.

And don't put words in Mike's mouth, he aint' sayin' nothing of the sort.

The only positive that Tom Knott has is longevity in this town, nothing else, he does not run wit' the big dogs.

Gilbert's played one game, how possibly could he make such an assertion? Is Knott doing sports medicine prognistication now?

Think about it, if this assertion by Knott is true, he is essentially calling out the entire sports machine and the Wizard organization as bufoons.

Tom Knott, MeviousMan, Find somebody else to quote.


Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 19, 2009 8:50 AM

88'ER, while your spending your summer stalking in Chicago, make sure you get deep dish pizza...

Posted by: flohrtv | June 19, 2009 8:51 AM

Agreed 'GM'. There will be a great pick available at the five who could help us right away, give us more man-years than a veteran and with the potential 'upside' to become a star player. You will not get a star by trading the pick... unless that star is on the downside, coming off an injury or is a threat to leave after a year. Some of the vets people are talking about in here - such as Amare - have all three red flags. In all likelihood, we would get a better-than-average role player for the pick and dump a stupid contract in the process (shame, Ernie, for getting us into THAT mess. Did we really need James last year at that price? Was Thomas so promising that he deserved such a massive deal? Did we really need to pay that much over so many years to a knee-hobbled guard and a soft, aging PF?). Trading for a downhill star or a role player is hardly the type of move to turn us into a contender. Drafting an unproven, potential star is the type that can, even if it entails risk. Thabeet, Curry, Derozan, Evans and, to a lesser extent, Jennings and Harden, could all be future stars. Patrick Mills in Round Two is also intriguing. C'mon Ernie, no cost-cutting, clean-up-your-own-mistakes, middle-of-the-road moves. No moves that will make us marginally better, just enough to save your job for another year or two. Swing for the fences with one of these kids and give us three-decade-suffering fans a future to be excited about.

Posted by: SammyT1 | June 19, 2009 9:11 AM

nba.com has a five minute video talkin bout the wiz and the draft. the vid is prettty much a profile on hill, but mike Fratello is one of the analysts and he thinks the wiz can go from 19 wins to 50 wins if healthy. Any body think the wiz can hit 50 or more wins this year?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 19, 2009 9:16 AM

Mike, great post on the Arenas update and the Hill workout. Considering how raw Hill is considered and the fact that we have a logjam at the 4 unless we unload Blatche and Songaila, I don't see how much help he would provide in the next year or two before the window closes (permanently) on this Wizards edition. If Hill is so highly coveted by teams picking behind us, then wouldn't a trade where we swapped picks and unloaded either Etan or James' contracts make more sense?

It's a shame that Gilbert essentially wasted two summers rehabbing on his own or with only the advice of the Wizards crack medical staff. I wonder whether he would have had all of the setbacks he's had since the original surgery if he had signed up to work with Tim Grover like D. Wade did last summer. If memory serves me, Wade tried one season on a bad knee after his 1st surgery, the Heat shut him down, and then he rehabbed with Grover last year and was back to MVP-calibre this past season.

One can only hope that Agent Zero's knee isn't too far gone for Grover to work his magic.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 19, 2009 10:22 AM


There is a Mcgee workout video. Check the sports bog for the link. The kid is puttin in work hardcore to get bigger and stronger. Summer league baby!!!!!!!

Posted by: BurgwithaU | June 19, 2009 10:24 AM

Did the Wiz ever work out Thabeet? I don't think they did, which is interesting. What would be the rationale? They don't think he'll fall to 5? But they are rumored to be interested in moving up to grab Rubio, which would mean that in Ernie's eyes Thabeet is not worth the cost of moving up a few spots. The other reason could be that they pretty much know what they'd be getting if he were to be available at 5. But the same could be said for all the guys, other than jennings, that they worked out who are projected to go in the lottery.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | June 19, 2009 10:41 AM

Ahhhhh. Finally a return to the grotto talk. Someone's been sleeping on the job. I'm still waiting for Lefty Driesell and the horse in the barn stuff.

Posted by: original_mark | June 19, 2009 11:07 AM

I am not one to think that they Wizards have only a 2 year window. I think that with the young talent, and if Arenas is healthy, they have a larger window than that. The oldest key cog is Jamison. His replacement may or may not be on the team.

Sources are saying that JaVale, Nick, and Blatche have made good steps this summer. Not to say all are ready but at least it sounds like they are putting in the work, not lipservice.

Anyway, does anyone have any knowledge whether Jordan Hill is a true 4 or, him being green and all, is he like Etan, a 5 in a 4 body?

Posted by: G-Man11 | June 19, 2009 11:31 AM

thx for the link to the jm workout. it looked like a lot of core work vs. free weights and i really din't need the fully exposed bird chest but at least he's workin.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 19, 2009 11:50 AM

Thanks for the link, BurgwithaU.

Posted by: cannontl | June 19, 2009 3:05 PM

We washington fans have a tendency to be exited on jump shooters. To whatever extent a jump shooter is good ,he will never be as useful as an avreage big man who can get 20% of his scores from the rim and/ or posting. if the purpose is to keep the pick, get Hill ,he will have a better look in rebounding than JM's last year performance.His midrange shoot is on the way to be good.

Posted by: gtefferra | June 19, 2009 6:51 PM

I don't know if you peoples have seen this yet, it came out back in April I think, but it is pretty funny and shows the chemistry of our youth--and hopefully our future team.


Mike, yo, we need more on the rest of the team. I appreciate the Gil update, but I of course want more...like Slick Nick, Mookie McGee and AT! Does anyone think we could trade for Boozer and Kilrelenko and the Jazz #20 pick? Their website has poll question asking if the fans think they should trade with us. Maybe, at #20, we could get Manor!

Posted by: DCDiplomat | June 19, 2009 7:21 PM

"I'm still waiting for Lefty Driesell and the horse in the barn stuff.

Posted by: original_mark | June 19, 2009 11:07 AM "

You got a personal secret to share? Not surprised.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 19, 2009 10:21 PM

HAHA..all of you are fools for thinking that Jamison would ever leave the team. I can't believe you guys would even have that thought floating around in your heads.

Last time I checked, he was and still is the captain of this team. He is the leader of the team that led in many categories this season. He need help badly in scoring points, but we need more help in rebounding, which Jamison led in both categories.

But here's the funny thing though. Jamison = All Star. Leader.

What does Ilgauskas bring except size and a jumpshot? What does Pavlovic bring..like 3 points a game? What on earth does Ben Wallace bring? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

I wouldn't trade the entire bench for Jamison. He is better than anyone on that entire team except for LeBron.

WOW. What a ridiculous idea. Jamison leaves and Wizards get nothing.

Let's talk some real trades shall we?

Posted by: hnic07 | June 20, 2009 12:10 PM

OH..and one more thing. Since we ALL already know that Stevenson isn't starting anymore..why are we not including him in trade talks??

Posted by: hnic07 | June 20, 2009 12:12 PM


I said weeks ago that the Wiz are a 50 win team with just a reasonable amount of health, which also means players will be filling out their proper roles.

Flip will get these guys to play just enough defense and install a more structured consistent offense. And guys like NY and Blatche may have a rebirth with the new coaching staff. In fact, I think they will. If nothing else, I think they will be more consistent.

Two Wiz players will make the all-star team is my other prediction.

Posted by: rphilli721 | June 21, 2009 6:02 PM

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