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Magic Close but Can't Close


Close, Mr. Lee, but no cigar. (Photo by Nathaniel S. Butler/NBAE via Getty Images)


Why is it that guys with my last name are always on the negative side of memorable finishes of big games? That's the thought that went through my mind shortly after Courtney Lee (no relation to me) missed that underhand layup with time expiring at the end of regulation in Game 2 on Sunday night. Lee had a difficult angle after catching Hedo Turkoglu's pass, and hardly any time to get a shot off -- 0.6 seconds -- but as Kobe Bryant said afterward, it was a brilliant play called by Orlando Magic Coach Stan Van Gundy.

"He missed it," Van Gundy said afterward. "I don't know else to say. Hedo made a great pass, and we missed it."

Seeing Lee resting his hands on his head made me think back to the 2003 NCAA Tournament, when Kansas guard Michael Lee (again, no relation) had his potential game-tying three-pointer sent into the stands by Syracuse forward Hakim Warrick, securing the Orange's victory. Dang. Lee, the name that misses.

But Orlando's loss to the Los Angeles Lakers didn't come down to Lee's miss. The 20 turnovers, which resulted in 28 points for the Lakers didn't help. Rafer Alston sulking through the Finals now that Jameer Nelson is back also hurts the team. And the biggest bad break was probably Turkoglu's foot being on the three-point line to give his team an 88-86 lead, instead of a three-point lead, with 47.7 seconds left in regulation.

The one thing that Game 2 showed me was that even if the Magic isn't around long, the team is not completely overmatched against the Lakers. When Turkoglu (22 points) and Rashard Lewis (34 points, 11 rebounds and seven assists) are rolling, this team is one of the most dangerous in the league. Turkoglu, Lewis and Howard combined to score 73 of Orlando's 96 points. The Magic is also waiting for its backcourt (a combined 6 for 26 from the floor) and its bench to contribute a little more. And nothing is more surprising than Howard having just one dunk through the first two games. Those things will likely occur in Orlando, where the Magic's role players will surely show up.

As for the Lakers, they are finally starting to resemble the team most pundits expected them to be at the beginning of the year. They have won four games in a row and are two wins from claiming the 15th championship in franchise history. But Bryant continues to carry a permanent mean mug.

"What's there to be happy about?" Bryant said. "The job's not finished. Job's finished? I don't think so."

By Michael Lee  |  June 8, 2009; 8:48 AM ET
 
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GILBERT ARENAS, TAKE NOTES OF THE MAMBA.

NICK YOUNG, TAKE NOTES OF THE MAMBA

HAVE AN ATTITUDE, BE PISSED OFF, HAVE A CHIP ON YOUR SHOULDER THAT CAN FEED A CONTINENT BE MAD BE ANGRY AND MAYBE YOU MIGHT CAPTUPULT YOURSELF INTO THE UPPER ECHELON OF THE LEAGUE LIKE THE BRYANTS,WADES,JAMES, AND KG'S

you ever see KG goofing off? never...hes always pissed and mad. its intimidating and it can result in titles. please wizards be pissed off!!! for your fans sake that love you, support you and ultimatley pay your salleries. PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WE WANT TO SEE YOU IN THE FINALS, u owe it to us for a stinky year

excuse me..for stinky years!!

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | June 8, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse


I dont yet understand why ppl still blame GA for our playoff failures when he was only healthy for one of the last three series against the Cavs. In 06-07 he didn’t play at all and last year he was hurt and didn’t play much. If we want to properly assess blame, how can a guy who played full time for only one of those series’ be the target?

Let’s look back at the Wiz' Big 3 and the playoffs..

In 04-05,(at 23 years old) Gil he averaged 24p,5r,6a against the Bulls and Miami. He shot poorly but was not the reason we lost that series. he got us to the 2nd round.

In 05’06 (at 24 years old and in his only healthy Cavs series), he averaged 34p, 5.5r, 5a and shot 46%.

He missed the 06’07 playoffs because of injury and wasn’t healthy last year.

Take a look at the PER ratings for the top 3 players for every Wiz team for the last 4 playoff years…

04-05
Antawn 14.5
Larry Hughes 16.6
Gilbert 15.9


05-06
Antawn 15.2
Gilbert 26.3
Caron 15.5

06-07
Antawn 26.6
Gilbert absent
Caron absent

07-08
Antawn 16.6
Gilbert 11.2
Caron 17.7


Based on this, we lost because we weren't healthy. We have yet to see how this team stacks up against the Cavs or anyone else when everyone is available (and BTH is playing and not watching).

With Gil healthy and an upgrade at SG with Harden in there and we may be ones to watch this year. I certainly wouldn't bet against us.

Posted by: original_mark | June 8, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

"With Gil healthy and an upgrade at SG with Harden in there and we may be ones to watch this year. I certainly wouldn't bet against us.Posted by: original_mark"

This would be the optimistic view you hear around here from time to time, based on the Wiz' past performance prior to the injury run. Problem is, how reliable is past performance as a measure of what we can expect in the future? Answer: not all that much.

Of course, the pessimistic view is also unsupported by much in the way of evidence.

Fact is, our crystal ball is distinctly smudged. We don't know if Gilbert will stay healthy and play at something like his previous level. We don't know if Jamison or Butler will have an off-year.

Really, the chance for improvement depends on health and on two other variables: Saunders' impact as coach, and the quality of that draft pick.

They've bet the farm on it.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 8, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

About the Lakers-Magic game: to me, the key variable was Bynum getting in foul trouble and only playing 16 minutes. He's a real handful for Howard when he's in there. The Magic's 3 point shooting improved, but it's clear they're struggling to adjust to LA rather than the other way around. The Magic could still win, but they don't match up against the Lakers anywhere near as well as they did against the Cavs (who would have given the Lakers a lot of trouble).

Posted by: Samson151 | June 8, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

you have a good point.

but i will re-emphasize that Gilbert himself mentioned being a goofball in the locker-room.

if they played harder during the season they wouldnt have been seeded at the #4 or #5, we would have had home-court advantage, and if he was as focused as possible, he wouldnt have missed those two free throws against cleveland. or did we forget about that?

but this season we will be tuning in to see how he acts. Will he be the floor leader we need him to be? because as far as Gilbert goes is as far as washington basketball goes. I think we are capable fully of winning a title, we have the personell, but do we have the attitude? do we have the instinct? or are we content of making playoff appearances like dallas,philly,houston, new orleans, etc..

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | June 8, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Kobe grabbed Lee's arm on the last play of regular time.

Its the same play that Tyrone Lue used against The Answer when LA stole the championship from Philadelphia. Lue was grasping the Answer several times and it was called ONCE.

Watch the replay on utube of the last play. At about 14 feet from the basket, Kobe pulls Lee's arm, slowing him down, pulling him off balance. No call.

Posted by: ottothewise | June 8, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Lakers experience showed down the stretch and in OT. Thought that Orlando played a great game, but twice were depending on a rookie to make a big shot to win it. In OT, it looked like Orlando ran out of gas and was not the same poised team they wree during regulation. Odom was the key to the game and the Lakers were almost lucky that Bynum was in foul trouble all night.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 8, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

"or are we content of making playoff appearances like dallas,philly,houston, new orleans, etc..Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom"

I never understand it when fanz insist that teams don't win championships because they're 'content' with playoff appearances. The most likely reason they're not winning titles is that they're not quite good enough. After all, only 8 teams have won the title in the 29 years since the 1980 season. And there's a chance that when these finals are over, that figure won't have changed.

Teams that are good enough to get to the playoffs want desperately to win the whole thing. And usually, they can't.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 8, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"About the Lakers-Magic game: to me, the key variable was Bynum getting in foul trouble and only playing 16 minutes."

Except that's not really a variable, because Bynum has a habit of getting into foul trouble. It's pretty much expected.

To me the real key was Pietrus fouling out, because if he'd been in on that final play of regulation instead of Lee, his length probably would have resulted in a made layup and a win for Orlando.

Great play call by StanVan at the end of regulation.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 8, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Give the rookie a break, I wish Nick Young can play like him! (And how many time NY missed the last second shot this season?)

Posted by: sagaliba | June 8, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

"Odom was the key to the game and the Lakers were almost lucky that Bynum was in foul trouble all night.Posted by: wizfan89"

Entitled to your opinion, but if there's one player on the Lakers who causes Howard problems, it's Bynum. Whether he plays particularly well or not. By his very presence, Bynum negates a significant part of Howard's size/quickness advantage. He's a couple inches taller and thirty pounds heavier, and only not quite as quick.

The thing that surprised me last night was how effective Gasol was in the fourth quarter. He's probably the most skilled big man in the league, at least offensively. A pleasure to watch.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 8, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

kalorama: "Except that's not really a variable, because Bynum has a habit of getting into foul trouble. It's pretty much expected."

Except he didn't in the first game -- and I thought that was a difference. We'll have to see what happens tomorrow.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 8, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

"Except he didn't in the first game -- "

The exception that proves the rule. In the Conference Finals he averaged about 1 foul every 5 and 1/2 minutes of play. For the playoffs overall he averages about the same. Not getting into foul trouble in Game 1 was an aberration. (Although, as a matter of fact, he did pick up 4 fouls in Game 1). And it's not like Bynum dominated Howard inside. AB only had 9 pts (on 3-8 shooting)in 22 minutes (along with 9 boards) versus Howard's 12 pts, 15 rebounds (and 2 blocks). As the commentators all said multiple times, the Lakers are actually a better team when Bynum goes to the bench and Odom comes in.

The real key to Game 1 was the Lakers overall defense holding Orlando to 30% shooting (and 34% from 3 pt range). The Magic can (and have) won games without Howard scoring a ton, but if the guys around him are bricking it up when Howard gets doubled down low, the Magic are cooked.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 8, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

"Give the rookie a break"

I wasn't criticizing Lee. He did a great job executing the play. Sometimes the shots just don't go down. Not his fault. But the fact remains that if having a taller athletic wing player (like Pietrus) on that play would have given Orlando a higher probability of a made basket. That's not a knock on Lee, just a basic observation of fact.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 8, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

you ever see KG goofing off? never...hes always pissed and mad.


Its cause he was playing in Minnesota. LOL. He lost 7 straight years in the 1st round. I'd walk around pissed too. When he got to Boston. There was 2 all stars there waiting to win with him.

Posted by: CBell29 | June 8, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"I never understand it when fanz insist that teams don't win championships because they're 'content' with playoff appearances. The most likely reason they're not winning titles is that they're not quite good enough. After all, only 8 teams have won the title in the 29 years since the 1980 season. And there's a chance that when these finals are over, that figure won't have changed"

Posted by: Samson151 | June 8, 2009 11:08 AM


superb point but how many different teams have at least had a finals appearance since the 1980, at the very least a finals appearance? maybe even a conference finals appearance? or how about a 50 win seasons? washington hasnt even had a 50 win season..
not an mvp, not an all star mvp, not a coach of the year, not a rookie of the year, not a sixth man of the year, not a GM of the year nothing!! I understand to win the cup is very difficult, but how about any of the other items i have just mentioned...? as a fan you get sick of mediocracy over the years, and I have every right to be upset and demand my team win a title.

imean since 2000 teams with finals appearances:

Indiana
new jersey (twice)
philadelphia
dallas
orlando
cleveland
detroit

and as fas as conference appearances go, i dont even want to get started. washington has no basketball tradition and until we have a leader who mean mugs all the time like a bryant or kg itll never happen

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | June 8, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

does anyone remember what the ramifications was surrounding the pick that was acquired from memphis for Navarro? Are we ever gonna see that pick?

Posted by: CBell29 | June 8, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

"superb point but how many different teams have at least had a finals appearance since the 1980, at the very least a finals appearance? maybe even a conference finals appearance? or how about a 50 win seasons? washington hasnt even had a 50 win season..
not an mvp, not an all star mvp, not a coach of the year, not a rookie of the year, not a sixth man of the year, not a GM of the year nothing!!"

None of which comes close to proving that the Wizards have been "content of(sic) making playoff appearances." As samson said, it only proves that they weren't good enough to do any better. Two completely different issues.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 8, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

The deeper into the playoffs that you go, the more reluctant the refs are to make the call that could decide the game.

It seems like in the conference finals or the finals you will almost never see the early call on an inbounds play.

Kobe really did get away with a grab. But that's a call that is almost never made on action before the catch on the lob was made.

I hope the wiz players are watching the D that's getting played in this series. That's how you got to play it to get deep in the playoffs.

Kobe and the jaw thing looks down right funny. We're all supposed to know he's serious because of that? Wow, ABC/ESPN guys must think we're a really a gullible bunch. Like Kobe doesn't know the guy's running around with a camera on him.

Note to Gil. Practice a mean face in front of the mirror all summer, that way we'll know you're really serious about this comeback thing.

I never seen Earl Monroe play with anything but a smile on his face, and the man just killed people. Bill Russell would knock a guy down then smile and help him up.

I'd love to know what Bill thinks about posing for the cameras while he's supposed to be playing ball...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | June 8, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

kalorama: "And it's not like Bynum dominated Howard inside. AB only had 9 pts (on 3-8 shooting)in 22 minutes (along with 9 boards) versus Howard's 12 pts, 15 rebounds (and 2 blocks)."

No argument there. And the Lakers do play better together with Odom. But if Bynum can give them important minutes, he doesn't have to do much more than bother Howard -- because the Magic are so incredibly dependent on him for their inside game.

It's a strange team, I can't recall one like it in recent years. Can't help but admire them and Van Gundy for the job he's done with them.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 8, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Note to Gil. Practice a mean face in front of the mirror all summer, that way we'll know you're really serious about this comeback thing.

LOL.
Yeah how the heck did Magic win all those rings? He smiled a heck of a lot.

Folks, as long as we get some interior defense and the wings start guarding 3 point shooters, I'm guessing Gil's gonna do his part. He wasn't the reason he lost any series but with help, he can be the reason we win. Typically supporting casts usually kinda balance each other out and stars make the difference. Our problem has been our supporting cast in previous years. (CB can't score at will on Wally ?!)

This year I expect us to be much better with no weak links. We can't have worse production at the sg position than we did with DS. Harden is already better than what DS showed us and hasn't played a minute. I the issue really was DS's back, then he should be healthy and that's an upgrade.

Posted by: original_mark | June 8, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

"None of which comes close to proving that the Wizards have been "content of(sic) making playoff appearances." As samson said, it only proves that they weren't good enough to do any better. Two completely different issues.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 8, 2009 11:55 AM"

its not different issues. because when i say wizards, i dont mean the players, i mean the team the front office has put together over the years. The inability to acquire or draft good enough talent. When you want to win a title or at least contend for a title you have to go out on a limb and grab the personell to do so.

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | June 8, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

LOL.
Yeah how the heck did Magic win all those rings? He smiled a heck of a lot.


Posted by: original_mark | June 8, 2009 12:21 PM

umm...kareem abdul jabbar?

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | June 8, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

jasperhneyaolcom , I hear what you're saying but I honestly believe that over half the teams in the league would trade their roster for ours if given that opportunity.

I think we have had talent but never utilized it properly. If that IS the case, then your point is still valid because the front office never got the right coaches to nurture and harness the talent. Either way, the FO is responsible and not the players, IMO.

Posted by: original_mark | June 8, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

"I honestly believe that over half the teams in the league would trade their roster for ours if given that opportunity."

More than half the teams in the NBA make the playoffs every year, and I don't see a single playoff team from this season who would swap their roster, wholesale, for the Wiz.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 8, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

None of which comes close to proving that the Wizards have been "content of(sic) making playoff appearances." As samson said, it only proves that they weren't good enough to do any better. Two completely different issues.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 8, 2009 11:55 AM

the point i was trying to make however is.....
Until we get a leader that will mean mug everyone, we will be mediocre, which goes to the point of being content with just making the playoffs and not even contending for titles.

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | June 8, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I know the point you were making. I was simply explaining why your point is utterly invalid.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 8, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I don't remember Jabbar making faces for the cameras either...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | June 8, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I know the point you were making. I was simply explaining why your point is utterly invalid.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 8, 2009 12:49 PM


oh okay and deshawn stevenson will be a better player than Kobe bryant and Lebron James starting...........now

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | June 8, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"oh okay and deshawn stevenson will be a better player than Kobe bryant and Lebron James starting...........now"

Careful with that straw man, don't want to pick up too many splinters.

Again, the point is that the teams than made the finals had better players (like Kobe and LeBron). How much they "mugged" or whether they were "content of(sic) making playoff appearances" is irrelevant. Much like everything you've posted in this thread.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 8, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

At least you got Stan Lee and Spike Lee. The Bobbettes sang "Mr. Lee". Like the rumor about Curry going #5.

Posted by: jeremydvid | June 8, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"But if Bynum can give them important minutes, he doesn't have to do much more than bother Howard -- because the Magic are so incredibly dependent on him for their inside game."

They're also dependent on him to get the ball to the shooters when the defense collapses on him. It's then dependent on the shooters to hit shots. They didn't do it in game one, which is why it was a blowout. They did it in game two and had a chance to win the game in regulation.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 8, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I agree original_mark!

How soon we forget. I was watching on classics, a Wiz-Cav game in the first series, where Gil took over the 4th,repeatedly making spectacular plays, 8 straight point(none being a 3 ball), then he penetrated and passed to an open man on with a wide-open baseline because everybody collapsed on Gil. Too bad the pass went to Michael Ruffin and who has no finishing ability.

My point is that Gil, when healthy had really only Larry then Caron, and Jamison as reliable complements. Haywood wasn't. Etan, Jeffries, Jarvis, Michael Ruffin. Please, I would gun too. Matter of fact, Gil gets blamed for a lack of ball movement by the wiz, but if you throw to Etan or Haywood, it is a black whole.

Now, the wiz have better finishers in an improved Haywood replacing a Haywood that seemed to be shooting with his eyes closed if he wasn't dunking the ball. Darius replaces has touch and passing instincts compared to Etan who has only 1 move and no court awareness. At least 50/50 was 50/50 and McGuire can finish compared to Jared and his 50/50 on layups. Nick Young replaces Jarvis who had one leg and limited overrated offense. Mix in Blatche and JaVale for Ruffins grit on defense and shotblocking and you got a better wizards team with more finishers above and below the rim.

Don't believe all the negativity!
Gil shouldn't take all the blame. Look who played with him outside of the Big 3.

I predict that this year, if healthy, the wiz pups will play more seriously because the veteran core will actually be playing with high-hopes instead of waiting on Gil to come back.

I also predict that it won't rely on a Big 3 and but will be more balanced with more threats.

Posted by: G-Man11 | June 8, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

How much they "mugged" or whether they were "content of(sic) making playoff appearances" is irrelevant. Much like everything you've posted in this thread.


Posted by: kalo_rama | June 8, 2009 1:19 PM

the mugging represents the focus and the seriousness of the nature, and not just being content with making the playoffs. Kobe's teamates seeing him "meanmug" is an inspiration and it shows this is not just a game, there should be a desperation to win it all... of course they are spectacular players[bryant,james,wade garnet] and leaders of thier clubs but your attitude has alot to do with it also.

so umm Kalo_rama try to find another topic for us to debate on, because clearly your not understanding my point.

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | June 8, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

"so umm Kalo_rama try to find another topic for us to debate on, because clearly your not understanding my point."

Well, it would help if you actually had one, because with every post it becomes increasingly clear that you really don't. Unless you consider posting ill-considered, illogical, poorly written nonsense making a point.

Oddly enough, I don't.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 8, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz have better players than the Cavs and more talent. Besides LeBron, they are an average team individually. What they have is a team defensive concept that allows them to force other teams to play down to their level. With that accomplished, LeBron takes over offensively.

If we institute and implement a decent defense, we should be able to perform better than the Cavs are capable of performing because of the disparity in talent. Now, this assumes that individual talent automatically translates into team talent which we know is not the case.

Howeva, (nod to Stephen A Smith), I think we're so loaded that we SHOULD be able to find 8 guys that are team oriented enough to get the job done.

GA, CB, AJ, JM, BTH, NY, AB, JC are all good enough to be starters on a lot of teams. That's a solid 8 and we haven't even talked about our #5 this year or vets who have played well in spurts like DM.

Posted by: original_mark | June 8, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Needing a mean-mugging leader is crap. Who mean mugs on San Antonio? How far did mean mugging Amare go in Phoenix, even if not the leader. Garnett mean-mugged Minnesota far didn't he. Jamison leads by example. So does Gilbert(on the court). What really needs to happen is some of the pups mature a lil. Gil was a pup himself 3 or 4 years ago. LeBron is a pup too but he is the most talented pup ever. Don't compare him to Gil. Has Gil grown up? That is the million dollar question.

The player they call tough-juice could be the mean-mugger. But Caron doesn't lead by mean-mugging. He leads by psycology. Isn't he the one who said to JaVale when JaVale was not doing what Caron felt he needed to do to improve, "Dwight Howard ain't doing that, he is in the weight-room lifting". That is psychology, not mean-mugging.

Posted by: G-Man11 | June 8, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"Sometimes he goes crazy. He starts making unbelievable shots, he plays great defense," Howard said. "When he has that killer-instinct look, you probably seen it last game, it is a sight to see."

dwight howard on kobe bryant...

emphasis on killer instinct look. I dont know why you idiots(kalorama) dont see that having an intimidating presence on the court is a definite booster. Even when Shaq was goofing off, on the court i never seen shaq foolin around because he is a leader. I dont see tim duncan goofin, chris paul goofin or rasheed wallace goofin around either.

poorly written? this is a blog not an english paper, illogical? thats my opinion which we are all entitled to. It just so happens you dont agree with my opinion. so we can debate till the cows come home that having
a "mean mugging" leader like michael jordan,kobe bryant,shaquille oneal is a bunch of crap, but fact of the matter is those guys with the killer instinct look tend to be more successful

and as for tim duncan, he is emotionless and cold blooded as well

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | June 8, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

kalorama: "They're also dependent on him to get the ball to the shooters when the defense collapses on him."

Also true. The guy at SI noted Howard had 7 TOs in game 2 -- probably because he was struggling to do just that.

He's an amazing player. With Orlando it comes down to, do they hit their outside shots or don't they?

I notice also that the Lakers are not shooting much from behind the arc. Only 9 in the first game (but why would they have taken more?) and 15 in the second -- hitting a third each time. I don't follow them much, but they shot 36% during the regular season and are down to 32% in the playoffs. Orlando shot 36% so far in the playoffs after shooting 38% during the season.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 8, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"poorly written? this is a blog not an english paper"

Maybe, but if your posts were better written it would be much easier to separate the parts that are nonsense because you don't know what the hell you're talking about from the parts that just sound like nonsense because you can't form a coherent sentence. Or it could be that there's really no distinction, in which case: Never mind.

"illogical? thats my opinion which we are all entitled to. "

No one said you weren't entitled to a foolish opinion that makes no sense. But the fact that you're entitled to it doesn't make it any less foolish or nonsensical.

"but fact of the matter is those guys with the killer instinct look tend to be more successful"

No, the fact is that guys with actual killer instinct (to say nothing of off-the-charts talent) tend to be more successful, regardless of what kind of faces they make.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 8, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

"and as for tim duncan, he is emotionless and cold blooded as well. Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom"

I think you're mistaking calm for cold-bloodedness.


Posted by: Samson151 | June 8, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

"The Wiz have better players than the Cavs and more talent."

Not really. Lebron alone makes a bigger difference to winning or losing than any two of the big three (at least). And after the big 3, the talent on the Wiz is all potential and what if. Could Nick Young end up being better than Mo Williams? Could Crittenton end up being better than Delonte West? Possibly. Have either of them shown that to be true so far? Not even close. Varajao is more effective than any of the Wizards' secondary bigs. On most days, Ilgauskas vs. Haywood is, at worst, a wash. On other days, Ilgauskas is much better offensively, even at his advanced age.

Whether the Wiz kids are "more talented" is an irrelevant distinction until this supposed talent has the effect of positively impacting winning and losing. The NBA is always filled with talented players who fail to help their teams win.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 8, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

"I think you're mistaking calm for cold-bloodedness."

They're both pretty much intertwined. I would agree that Duncan is cold-blooded, in much the same way that Kobe and Lebron are (and Jordan was), in the sense he has ice water in his veins (thus the calm) in the biggest moments when everything is on the line. Duncan's not afraid to have everything riding on his shoulders with everything at stake, doesn't flinch when the moment comes, doesn't get rattled by anything the other side does, and gets pleasure from taking the game away from the opponent. That's cold-blooded.

Of course, the fact that he does all of this without "mean mugging" just underscores how full of crap jasperhneyaolcom is.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 8, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

thanks Kal, see you tommorow for more of my illogical and foolish thoughts

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | June 8, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

No need for threats.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 8, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

kalo_rama when you were comparing the wizards to the cavs you forgot two major players of the washington wizards. caron butler and antwan jamison. if the wizards can be healthy for once next season i really think that they will be able to be at the top of the east and maybe the nba. if you look at the wizards they have three all-stars n nick young could really be something big and everyone saw the differnce haywood made to the wizards and imagine running haywood with javale mcgee two 7 footers blocking machines. just one thing. can the wizards stay healthy???

Posted by: BlackHibachi | June 8, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"kalo_rama when you were comparing the wizards to the cavs you forgot two major players of the washington wizards. caron butler and antwan jamison."

No I didn't. I said:

Lebron alone makes a bigger difference to winning or losing than any two of the big three (at least).

The Big Three = Arenas, Butler, and Jamison

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 8, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I never understand it when fanz insist that teams don't win championships because they're 'content' with playoff appearances. The most likely reason they're not winning titles is that they're not quite good enough.

Agree. Chemistry and matchups can be big in basketball, but sometimes teams aren't good enough, or they are, but so is the other team and someone has to win.

I think we sometimes place too much weight on actually getting it done, but in a sports world ruled by absolutes, it's the only concrete thing we have to go on.

Posted by: KeithMcMillan | June 8, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Lebron alone makes a bigger difference to winning or losing than any two of the big three (at least).

The Big Three = Arenas, Butler, and Jamison

But a key point is that there's only 1 LeBron and there are 3 members of the Big Three. No one player is better than 3 all stars.. NONE ! Particularly if Gil is his old self. The old Gil is a top 15 current player and top 3 or 4 at his position. LeBron is top 3. AJ and CB are top 10 at their positions (based on a flawed all star voting system but still...)

Give me a top 15 overall and a couple of top 10's at their respective positions over a top 3 and I'll win some games.

Posted by: original_mark | June 8, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Our problem is that we haven't surrounded our main talent with role players and when we have, we havent given them the right roles.

COACHING !

Injuries have been the main issue. I sincerely hope we stay healthy so that we don't have to rely on conjecture. I'm confident a coach will make a world of difference. 50 wins,.

Posted by: original_mark | June 8, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

"But a key point is that there's only 1 LeBron and there are 3 members of the Big Three. No one player is better than 3 all stars.. NONE !"

The inability of the Wizards to beat the Cavs, even when they had all of the big 3 on the floor, clearly suggests otherwise.

"Give me a top 15 overall and a couple of top 10's at their respective positions over a top 3 and I'll win some games."

That might be a point if the Wiz had a top 15 player on their roster. Too bad they don't.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 8, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

>does anyone remember what the >ramifications was surrounding the pick >that was acquired from memphis for >Navarro? Are we ever gonna see that pick?

Posted by: CBell29 | June 8, 2009 11:55 AM

The Wizards were to receive a protected first round pick in 2008, but it couldn't be in the top 19 - and the Grizzlies got a pick in the top 19. After that, the Wizards would get a top-16 protected pick in 2009 - but lo and behold, the Grizzlie pick second this year. After this year, it'll be a top-14 protected pick from 2010-2012, a top-12 protected pick in 2013 or a second-round pick and cash considerations if they haven't received a pick by 2013.

So yes, the Wizards will see something for Navarro. My guess? They'll be getting a second-round pick and cash in four years.

Posted by: satchmore | June 8, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

kalo ur still blogging? dont u have a woman? a career? friends?? a life?? lmao

Posted by: mrhney03 | June 8, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

the cavs really only beat the wizards healthy once and caron butler antwan jamison and gilbert arenas have become 3 times better than they were then

Posted by: BlackHibachi | June 8, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

As far as the protected pick that we got for Navarro goes, it was traded back to Memphis earlier this year in the trade that brought us Crittenton from Memphis (and James from N.O. for Daniels).

Posted by: cannontl | June 8, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

i wish it would have just been a 2nd rounder than we would have to lottery picks

Posted by: BlackHibachi | June 8, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

As far as the protected pick that we got for Navarro goes, it was traded back to Memphis earlier this year in the trade that brought us Crittenton from Memphis (and James from N.O. for Daniels).

Posted by: cannontl | June 8, 2009 10:07 PM

My bad, I forgot about that. So we got Crittenton for Navarro, not bad at all.

Posted by: satchmore | June 8, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

The inability of the Wizards to beat the Cavs, even when they had all of the big 3 on the floor, clearly suggests otherwise.

This has happened only once (2006). We lost that series 4-2 and three of the losses were by one point. We also had Jared Jeffries starting and BTH was only getting 27 mpg (though he seems to have Z's number).


That might be a point if the Wiz had a top 15 player on their roster. Too bad they don't.

That season (again it's the last time all three were healthy for any significant time) Gil's PER was at 23.8, which DID put him in the top 15. In fact, the next year he was projected at #9 by Hollinger going into the 2006-2007 season.

Posted by: original_mark | June 9, 2009 7:46 AM | Report abuse

We really don't know what we have with Gil but if he's close to what he was, we could be formidable....assuming we have a coach this year rather than a thesaurus in a suit.

Posted by: original_mark | June 9, 2009 7:48 AM | Report abuse

That is the $64M dollar question right now (or perhaps I should say $111M): How fully will Gil be recovered and what kind of player will he be when he gets back on the court?

Perhaps this will give the Wiz some impetus as to what they do with their number 5 draft pick.

Posted by: cannontl | June 9, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

"So we got Crittenton for Navarro, not bad at all.Posted by: satchmore"

No, I think that's a good swap. Navarro's ;a decent PG but Javaris does seem to have an upside that the other players recognize (including Arenas). Being tall and quick doesn't hurt. He just needs to work on that jump shot -- because he should be open a lot from mid-range.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 9, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

"That season (again it's the last time all three were healthy for any significant time) Gil's PER was at 23.8, which DID put him in the top 15."

Well, you already know my position on the validity of PER as the primary way to determine a player's value so I won't repeat it here.

"In fact, the next year he was projected at #9 by Hollinger going into the 2006-2007 season."

So? Who cares where he was "projected" before? The only thing that matters is where he and the team are at when the season ends.

Whatever Arenas may have been 2 or 3 years ago, we have no idea if he'll still be that next season. And even if he is (and given multiple knee surgeries and, essentially, two seasons of inactivity that's unlikely at best) there's no foundation s to assume he'd start in the same position he left off at, if for no other reason than because a lot of the young guys who were behind him 2 years ago have caught up or passed him while he was sitting on the sidelines. In other words, even if he was a top 15 player then (which is debatable at bets, and even if he was, he was closer to the bottom of the top 15 than the top) he's just as good next season as he was before he got hurt, he still wouldn't automatically be one now.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 10, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

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