Poll: Rubio or Miller & Foye?

Well, that explains why the Timberwolves were so quick to give up on Randy Foye.

After Blake Griffin went first to the Clippers, Hasheem Thabeet second to the Memphis Grizzlies, James Harden third to the Oklahoma City Thunder and Tyreke Evans fourth to the Sacramento Kings, sitting there at the fifth pick was the man (barely) many fans wanted all along if the Wiz weren't able to land Griffin: 18-year-old point guard Ricky Rubio.

So is the curse of Les Boules rearing its ugly head again? Would the Wizards, who tied for the league's second-worst record and perhaps should have come away with the second pick, been better off drafting Ricky Rubio? Short-term or long.

Or are they better off with two NBA-ready contributors, in Mike Miller and Foye? Are they better off -- at the moment -- with the glut of guards, with improved three-point shooting, depth and even health?

You tell us.

By Keith McMillan |  June 25, 2009; 8:13 PM ET
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Miller and Foye improves the team right away and gives the Wiz players who fill needed roles. Rubio is a development project who plays the same position as the team''s best player. Easy call.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 8:21 PM

Kalo,
I agree. But I suspect not everyone will ... maybe it's a no-brainer though.

I do think it's odd how excited people sometimes get over players on draft day as opposed to young, developing players like Foye.

Posted by: Keith McMillan | June 25, 2009 8:27 PM

Today I agree.
Check back mid season.

Posted by: VBFan | June 25, 2009 8:31 PM

Let's get with the program. How about some color analysis of Foye? Scouting reports, +/-, defensive skills, etc.

This guy was picked 7 while Rondo was 26th in that draft. He's got talent and seems to fit the Wiz perfectly.

Posted by: Izman | June 25, 2009 8:34 PM

man im pissed. i thought the trade was ok and have wanted miller for awhile. but the carter trade and rubio being available at 5 just makes me go aaaaarrrrrgggghhhh. time to break out the liquor it's drowning time.

Posted by: PindarPushkin | June 25, 2009 8:34 PM

Michael, you fail to mention another very viable option: the Wiz could have held onto the pick for a draft day trade.

With Rubio and Curry available at 5, I absolutely think we could have made a trade w/ the Wolves or Knicks (2 teams we were already dealing with) and walked away with a MUCH better deal than the one we got.

This is why you hold onto the pick until draft time. Instead, Grunfeld got gittery and pulled the trigger early - another in a line of bad decisions he's been making for the franchise over the past year.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 8:36 PM

I like that Foye is NBA ready but still has potential to be developed. Much better than taking all veterans...still gives us a future.

Perhaps we could have grabbed Rubio and then made a trade. But I'm curious to see who Rubio could have been turned into. After all, four other teams thought he wasn't worth picking...

So who could we have gotten for Rubio? any speculation?

Posted by: crs-one | June 25, 2009 8:37 PM

C'mon, do you really have to ask? Three years from now, Miller will be GONE, Rubio will be coming into his prime.

Personally, I'd have taken Stephen Curry -- I see him as a Richard Hamilton clone. But once again, Ernie Grunfeld made the wrong move. This time, he got posted up by a guy who hasn't been GM a year. No surprise only the Wiz (Mediocrity is our motto) would hire him. Trust me, this is the last team he's GMing for.

Posted by: gbooksdc | June 25, 2009 8:39 PM

yes there was no rush to make the deal the wizards made yesterday. We could have done better. Foye is a failed 1st rd pick not a developing player

Posted by: anacostia85 | June 25, 2009 8:41 PM

Wow. Carter to Orlando.

Man, the teams already ahead of us just keep getting better.

But I'm sure alot of the guys up here drinking the Kool-Aid still think that Foye/Miller makes us competitve with the Cavs and Magic...

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 8:41 PM

How do you quantify a "good trade?"
...
Sounds like you're the one who needs help, if not, at the minimum, a Webster's dictionary.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 6:10 PM


quantify? quantify a "good trade?" Yea, lets determine the quantity of a good trade...womp, womp

Here, this is for you, educated in DC Man:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/quantify

As you were soldier, next time keep your self-reflections--needing dictionaries--to, ummmm, yourself...lol


Posted by: Vicc | June 25, 2009 8:43 PM

Man, Vince Carter changes hands, Shaq changes hands, Jefferson changes hands, and we got two fairly decent players for #5 plus three big men? I don't understand why we couldn't get more. If we have a small window of opportunity to win, why not rent a shaq or rent a t-mac for a year? why get two guards? we can still only play 5 players at a time, right?

Posted by: wizfan4 | June 25, 2009 8:43 PM

Rubio. the wiz won't be title contenders in the next 2-4 years. by then, Jamison will be gone (or washed up) and who knows who will be left...

Posted by: sargeantmofo | June 25, 2009 8:43 PM

Michael, you fail to mention another very viable option: the Wiz could have held onto the pick for a draft day trade.

With Rubio and Curry available at 5, I absolutely think we could have made a trade w/ the Wolves or Knicks (2 teams we were already dealing with) and walked away with a MUCH better deal than the one we got.

This is why you hold onto the pick until draft time. Instead, Grunfeld got gittery and pulled the trigger early - another in a line of bad decisions he's been making for the franchise over the past year.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 8:36 PM

all day that !!

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 25, 2009 8:43 PM

There's nothing even approaching a guarantee that they would have gotten a better deal for the pick today than they got yesterday.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 8:43 PM

So who could we have gotten for Rubio? any speculation?

Posted by: crs-one | June 25, 2009 8:37 PM

I'm sure we could have AT LEAST pulled the same deal with the Wolves, but managed to hold onto Songaila and give them DStevenson instead.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 8:44 PM

Rubio is a once in a lifetime talent. Foye and Miller are not. What a mistake. This may go down as a CWebb for Richmond/Thorpe or Ben Wallace for Ike Austin type disaster.

Posted by: Dellis2 | June 25, 2009 8:45 PM

I still contend Curry should have been the pick. He reminds me of Mike Bibby. Always under control with a big shot. Oh well I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | June 25, 2009 8:45 PM

I didn't like the trade regardless of who went at 5 (I was hoping for either Evans or Curry). I think people are overvaluing Foye as a player. I guess time will tell. It will be interesting to see how Rubio develops. EG usually plays things close to the vest, but I think his eagerness to shop the pick probably hurt him.

Posted by: al_kohaulic | June 25, 2009 8:47 PM

There's nothing even approaching a guarantee that they would have gotten a better deal for the pick today than they got yesterday.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 8:43 PM

And there's nothing even "approaching a guarantee" that getting Miller/Foye is going to make them any better than a team that gets bounced in the first round of the playoffs.

What is a "guarantee" in all of this?

The point is that you see how other teams seem to be able to move around better players and bigger pieces to be truly competitive - Jefferson, Shaq, Carter.

Our idea of a "great move" is to get a player who has yet to live up to his draft-day potential and another perimeter shooter that doesn't play D to go with the collection we've already assembled.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 8:48 PM

Short-term gain: Wiz. Long-term: Wolves.

Posted by: keithward64 | June 25, 2009 8:50 PM

Considering the fact that Rubio refused to try out for the Wizards and his agent didn't like the "fit" with Arenas. My bet is that he would have forced a trade by threatening to play over seas.
The Wizards did the smart thing and got two guaranteed NBA players and dumped some dead wood!!

Posted by: dckidwell | June 25, 2009 8:51 PM

they think rubio might get traded since they also drafted flynn. if they can get better talent than foye+miller for rubio i'll be pissseed

Posted by: bullets8890 | June 25, 2009 8:52 PM

The biggest gamble is that the Wiz are building everything around the supposition that Gil's healthy and ready to pick up somewhere near where he left off, pre-injury. If that gamble doesn't pay off, it could get really ugly.

Rubio has tremendous gifts; we'll see how he pans out. Does he have more question marks than injury-riddled Arenas? Not sure at the moment. I liked the trade until the moment Memphis picked Evans. Then I wanted to barf.

Posted by: keithward64 | June 25, 2009 8:54 PM

As Wizards fans, we will be talking about trading the chance to pick Rubio for years and years. Incredible.

Posted by: disgruntledfan | June 25, 2009 8:57 PM

The BUZzerds are a waste......and their disdain for foreign players has been a huge nail in this deadbeat franchise's coffin....
GET USED to the LOTTERY SHOW.....

Posted by: FletcherChristian1 | June 25, 2009 8:58 PM

But I'm sure alot of the guys up here drinking the Kool-Aid still think that Foye/Miller makes us competitve with the Cavs and Magic...

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 8:41 PM

It's a different flavor koolaid than those who drink the Big Star flavor. Just because they made a trade for big names who have had a great career doesn't mean they're leaps and bounds better now.

Posted by: crs-one | June 25, 2009 8:59 PM

As Wizards fans, we will be talking about trading the chance to pick Rubio for years and years. Incredible.

Or he could be forgotten like Nikolsz Tskitishvili or someone.

It's quite prudent to take two players who you have a good idea what you'll get from rather than one who's a great unknown ... could be a star, could be meh.

Posted by: Keith McMillan | June 25, 2009 9:00 PM

Hey P1funk,

Did I miss something?? Did Shaq going to the Suns make them more competitive?? What, one playoff win!!!
He's way past his prime and will not

Posted by: dckidwell | June 25, 2009 9:00 PM

Framework in place for Amare Stoudemire to get traded (not to us).

Yet another potentially marquee move we miss out on...

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 9:01 PM

The biggest gamble is that the Wiz are building everything around the supposition that Gil's healthy and ready to pick up somewhere near where he left off, pre-injury. If that gamble doesn't pay off, it could get really ugly.

True.

But once the Wizards re-sign him, what other choice do they have?

Posted by: Keith McMillan | June 25, 2009 9:01 PM

As Wizards fans, we will be talking about trading the chance to pick Rubio for years and years. Incredible.

Posted by: disgruntledfan | June 25, 2009 8:57 PM

Of course. Kind of like how if we held the pick and he busted we'd be talking about it. Or if he didn't drop to 5 and we picked up leftovers we'd complain that they didn't trade and chose to stay in a weak draft.

Hindsight...all hindsight...

Posted by: crs-one | June 25, 2009 9:03 PM

Hey P1funk,

Did I miss something?? Did Shaq going to the Suns make them more competitive?? What, one playoff win!!!
He's way past his prime and will not

Posted by: dckidwell | June 25, 2009 9:00 PM


Yeah you did miss something.

Shaq got traded to the Cavs to play with LeBron.

You think that make them less competitive now??

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 9:03 PM

My Boy! Tyler Hansbrough a 13 pick. Told you guys he was NBA ready. I know the Wizs could not take him at the five but Hansbrough is NBA ready and not a project.

About the trade though, thumbs just for the mere fact of getting rid of ETan and Darius coming in out of position and letting Pech go where he might have a chance to prove if he really can play.

Next stop bringing in a big guy.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 25, 2009 9:04 PM

It's a different flavor koolaid than those who drink the Big Star flavor. Just because they made a trade for big names who have had a great career doesn't mean they're leaps and bounds better now.

Posted by: crs-one | June 25, 2009 8:59 PM


We like Big Star Kool-Aid here too.

Except around here Big Stars don't play defense and get paid to be on crutches.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 9:05 PM

"And there's nothing even "approaching a guarantee" that getting Miller/Foye is going to make them any better than a team that gets bounced in the first round of the playoffs."

No one said there was, so what's your point?

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 9:06 PM

The BUZzerds are a waste......and their disdain for foreign players has been a huge nail in this deadbeat franchise's coffin....
GET USED to the LOTTERY SHOW.....

Posted by: FletcherChristian1 | June 25, 2009 8:58 PM
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What are you talking about!!?? Over the years they have taken several foreign players. I guess you just feel the need to create stuff so that you can spew your hate for the Wizards!!! Pretty pathetic!!

Posted by: dckidwell | June 25, 2009 9:07 PM

Seriously? The draft is going on and there is talk of trading the #32 and we are doing a poll? Who in the world cares what we think? GET US SOME INFORMATION!

Posted by: rc2223 | June 25, 2009 9:09 PM

"The point is that you see how other teams seem to be able to move around better players and bigger pieces to be truly competitive - Jefferson, Shaq, Carter."

"Our idea of a "great move" is to get a player who has yet to live up to his draft-day potential . . .

He averaged 16 and 4 in his third season. Looks to me like he's living up to his potential pretty well (unless you had him rated on you "personal potential chart" as being a 2-time all-star by now.

"and another perimeter shooter that doesn't play D"

You mean like Vince Carter?

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 9:10 PM

We like Big Star Kool-Aid here too.

Except around here Big Stars don't play defense and get paid to be on crutches.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 9:05 PM

a nice distraction, yes, but my point remains. people are all hyped up about stars getting moved around who might be passing their prime instead of building a team based around the stars you have.

If you think we should build our team around people other than AJ and gil, that's a different topic.

Go ahead and criticize the team for not making flashy moves for big names on their downside. The Redskins season starts soon...

Posted by: crs-one | June 25, 2009 9:10 PM

Hey P1funk,

Did I miss something?? Did Shaq going to the Suns make them more competitive?? What, one playoff win!!!
He's way past his prime and will not

Posted by: dckidwell | June 25, 2009 9:00 PM


Yeah you did miss something.

Shaq got traded to the Cavs to play with LeBron.

You think that make them less competitive now??

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 9:03 PM
=========================

I don't think he will give the Cavs anything more than Wallace did. He slows the team down to a crawl.

Posted by: dckidwell | June 25, 2009 9:14 PM

Wizards needed NBA caliber players.

Two guys that can play versus one guy that may or may not be able to play.

I take the 2 proven entities over the 1 unproven.

Posted by: SteveMG | June 25, 2009 9:15 PM

i think shaq's quicker than big z though and they did ok with his slow ass

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 25, 2009 9:17 PM

The Wiz didnt want Rubio and Rubio didnt want the Wiz. After the top 2 went, Harden may have been to only other draft pick Ernie should have considered. Rubio going at the 5th pick only serves to better support Ernie's decision to make the trade. I bet he trades the 32nd pick for cash and future considerations....which I am ok with. For now.

Posted by: oddjob2 | June 25, 2009 9:17 PM

"Rubio. the wiz won't be title contenders in the next 2-4 years. by then, Jamison will be gone (or washed up) and who knows who will be left...

Posted by: sargeantmofo "

Good Lord, Man!! We're ALL going to be dead eventually, Jamison we love, as well as Arenas and K-Ron, we're just livin' in this crazy craproll, everything..Wizards will be more competitive with more depth (or All-Star strength, a la Chris Bosh)...nothing ever dies, eternal recurrence as per Nietzche..

Posted by: frak | June 25, 2009 9:18 PM

"And there's nothing even "approaching a guarantee" that getting Miller/Foye is going to make them any better than a team that gets bounced in the first round of the playoffs."

No one said there was, so what's your point?

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 9:06 PM


My point is that there are no guarantees about anything.

Which is also a counter-point to all the folks who seem supremely convinced that Ernie made a good deal getting Foye/Miller and that holding onto the pick would have been a bad decision.

There's alot to not like about Ernie's move, and one of the things to not like about it is that he bucked conventional wisdom that says to hold onto the pick until draft-time b/c you never know.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 9:18 PM

Curry will not be as good as so many people on here think he will. I watched him play the last three years. Yes, he's a heck of a shooter. And if he looks so under control a lot it's because he played mostly against Southern Conference teams. He's also a terrible decision maker with the ball, which is devastating from a PG. He's small and plays no defense. Why the love affair with this guy? Maybe if he were 6-foot-7 like Reggie Miller I'd be more excited.

And Rubio? Well he may be good, but who knows. Here's another small kid who may need three or four years to be competitive. And quite frankly, if the Wizards are going to draft this kid, they're going to have to commit to a rebuild.

As for the Vince and Shaq moves, give me a break. The Magic traded a good young player in Lee who started for them and a PG who clearly outplayed Jameer Nelson in the finals for an aging, injury-prone, selfish Vince Carter, a guy who doesn't like defense. And remember, the Magic are a defensive minded team. (Also, I'll add that Nelson is more valuable to the Magic than Rafter, but remember that Alston kept that team afloat.) As for Shaq, well, that ain't gonna improve the Cavs all that much. They were already a 66-win team without him, and he certainly won't push them over the top. Shaq's teams have been bad ever since the first year after the Heat championship. He won't add much.

So the Wizards getting two starting-caliber players who can shoot and expand the floor is a good thing.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 9:18 PM

2 proven entities? How much playoff experience do Foye and Miller have? How many times have they made it out of the 1st round? Have they been in the finals? How then will they help the Wizards?

Posted by: anacostia85 | June 25, 2009 9:19 PM

hilarious!

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 25, 2009 9:19 PM

Sebastian Telfair cannot be happy right now. Minnesota just picked Ty Lawson too. That's three PGs.

Posted by: Keith McMillan | June 25, 2009 9:20 PM

"quantify? quantify a "good trade?" Yea, lets determine the quantity of a good trade...womp, womp

Here, this is for you, educated in DC Man:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/quantify

As you were soldier, next time keep your self-reflections--needing dictionaries--to, ummmm, yourself...lol

Posted by: Vicc | June 25, 2009 8:03 PM "

Yes, how do you "quantify" a "good" trade?

What is the numerical equivalent of a "good" trade.

Good to me is like getting a score of 70-75 out of 100.

70-75 to me is like big C+, and a C+ trade isn't going to do much for you.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 9:21 PM

@p1funk

If EG holds onto the pick and Rubio's there and the Wolves want him, what kind of deal do the Wizards make with them? Probably the same exact one. Maybe Stevenson instead of Songalia. OK. But the essential parts remain the same. What is the Knicks offer? Probably the same as it ever was--Hughes and Jeffries. I don't see how much changes. And if EG ever deserves the benefit of the doubt, it's in his ability to make solid trades that better the team. We obviously have to see how all this plays out, but I'd rather have two young players, both drafted in the top 10, one of whom is a ROY and Sixth Man of the Year. They are proven commodities. And if the Wizards keep both Foye and Miller for a few years after, then they can be competitive for a little while.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 9:23 PM

"The point is that you see how other teams seem to be able to move around better players and bigger pieces to be truly competitive - Jefferson, Shaq, Carter."

"Our idea of a "great move" is to get a player who has yet to live up to his draft-day potential . . .

He averaged 16 and 4 in his third season. Looks to me like he's living up to his potential pretty well (unless you had him rated on you "personal potential chart" as being a 2-time all-star by now.

"and another perimeter shooter that doesn't play D"

You mean like Vince Carter?

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 9:10 PM

On draft day some folks thought he was worth swapping for Brandon Roy...correct me, but he's made an All-Star game and was Rookie of the Year...right?

And yeah he averaged 16 and 4...playing 35 minutes a game as the primary ball handler. I'm interested to see what he'll contribute being no better than the 4th option behind our "Big 3".

And I don't think Vince Carter would have been a good fit in DC. But he's a GREAT fit for Orlando. He fills a need for them. That's a novel way to go build a team - go after the needs, instead of stockpiling players at the same 2 positions, eh?

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 9:23 PM

"How much playoff experience do Foye and Miller have? "

At least as much or more than any player the Wizards could have gotten in the draft.

"How then will they help the Wizards?"

By scoring points.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 9:24 PM

Rubio may end being great in 3+ years. He may not. The Wizards are currently assembled to highly competitive for the next 3 years, they are not in rebuilding mode.

I would rather have Foye and Miller for the next three with our current cast of players than Rubio.

However, I agree, waiting until the draft we might have gotten higher value for the pick. Though, teams with players we wanted might have already traded them away for another pick.

Posted by: segastyle | June 25, 2009 9:24 PM

"On draft day some folks thought he was worth swapping for Brandon Roy...correct me, but he's made an All-Star game and was Rookie of the Year...right?"

Right. So what? Utterly meaningless with regard to how good Foye is or how good he can be.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 9:25 PM

Right now, the Wizards are set up to score a ton of points, and all Saunders needs to do is coax a competent defensive effort out of the bunch, which I think he'll do much better than EJ ever did. Saunders proved he could get guys moving on defense in Detroit and Minnesota. He'll do it again in D.C., I think.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 9:26 PM

Miller and Foye make the Wizards more competitive next year, but they're not good enough to win a conference finals much less a championship. Watching Rubio develop in DC would of been fascinating. I'd rather have Rubio.

Posted by: djnnnou | June 25, 2009 9:26 PM

I don't think Rubio would have been that good a fit for this team as it's presently constructed anyway. The Vince Carter deal does sting a little bit but there's no use crying over spilled milk.

I still like (not love) the deal, I wonder if we could have gotten "more" but how do you define "more?" Amare Stoudemire? Not worth it if it means giving up any one of the Big Three. Orlando didn't give up anybody of consequence, neither did Cleveland. To make a move that big the Wizards would have had to move one of the 3 and I don't think that would have been that smart.

The Wiz still have some commodities, mainly Mike James' expiring contract and a surplus of guards. James+Stevenson are enough to get us either Chris Kaman or Marcus Camby.

Posted by: NotoriousREG | June 25, 2009 9:26 PM

Ty Lawson from Clinton, MD. Two of my boys in the first round earlier than most of you thought. Go Heels!

NBA ready they is. Yes they is.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 25, 2009 9:27 PM

don't think he will give the Cavs anything more than Wallace did. He slows the team down to a crawl.

Posted by: dckidwell | June 25, 2009 9:14 PM

Ummmm, ok.

Shaq averaged 17 pts, 8 rebs and 1 block a game.

Wallace gave them 3 pts, 6 rebs and 1 block a game.

I'll give you a mulligan on that one, though. It's clear you didn't really think through that statement.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 9:27 PM

Kalo raises a good point. Foye has been in the league for a couple of years, and he's shown improvement in each of them. So the Wizards are picking him up on the upswing, which means they won't have to develop him. With Curry or Rubio, you're left developing for a couple of years, which only wastes the time of the core players on the team right now.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 9:27 PM

Marcus Camby is a FA and can't be had in a trade (there's no chance of the Clippers doing a S&T to get Stevenson and James). Kaman is a good (not great) player with a bad injury history and a fat contract. He makes too much to be a backup C, and we've all seen how well Haywood reacts to being benched.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 9:29 PM

If you think we should build our team around people other than AJ and gil, that's a different topic.

Go ahead and criticize the team for not making flashy moves for big names on their downside. The Redskins season starts soon...

Posted by: crs-one | June 25, 2009 9:10 PM


Yeah, I absolutely think we shouldn't have built around Gil and AJ.

But now that we are stuck with them, it would be nice to complement them with some interior guys instead of more jump-shooters and ball-handlers.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 9:29 PM

p1funk, of course Shaq had those averages. Amare was injured for so long and Shaq (plus Nash) really became THE option for them. But look at his team's success in the last three years and also at his production. Cavs won 66 games. Shaq's not gonna get them to 70 or something. He certainly won't bring a championship to Cleveland.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 9:30 PM

My bad. Apparently Camby does have one more year on his deal.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 9:31 PM

What did Navarro do in the NBA?

Rubio has no offensive game. He is an assist machine that is going to average 9 points and 8 assists a game.

No outside shooting, no finishing off the dribble.

All that and he's 2-3 years away from filling out to play in a man's league.

Rubio in the photos still looks like a teenager (which he is).

Posted by: leopard09 | June 25, 2009 9:34 PM

Stop f*cking with the commentary, your predictable stupefaction..F*ck all those comments of computer internet idiocracy, like "lol", "lmao", "dwohs" (dicks without ho's...a major concern)..


Posted by: frak | June 25, 2009 9:35 PM

"On draft day some folks thought he was worth swapping for Brandon Roy...correct me, but he's made an All-Star game and was Rookie of the Year...right?"

Right. So what? Utterly meaningless with regard to how good Foye is or how good he can be.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 9:25 PM


Yeah, it is utterly meaningless if you want to change the point.

The initial comment had to do with living up to and rating draft-day potential. If we are gonna have that discussion, then a good way to gauge it is to look at how Brandon Roy has lived up to his potential. Relative to a player he was swapped for straight up, Foye has been a disappointment - that's all I was saying.

If you want to talk about how good he is or can be from here on out, who knows? Obviously Minny didn't feel like he was worth holding onto to lead their backcourt. The only thing he's gonna be leading with the Wiz is the 2nd unit. So, maybe he can be a good leader off the bench with the 2nd unit or a solid 3rd/4th option with the starters...I guess we'll see.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 9:36 PM

Forget my earlier post. Lawson to Denver.

GET US SOME INFORMATION!

When there's Wizards info to share, we aren't going to sit on it, trust.

Posted by: Keith McMillan | June 25, 2009 9:36 PM

Yeah Kalo you and Ernie know exactly what the Wiz need and Foye and Miller will give us low post scoring defensive toughness and playoff experience. The last thing we needed was player who duplicate what we already have wait a minute damn that is what we got.

Posted by: anacostia85 | June 25, 2009 9:36 PM

Kalo raises a good point. Foye has been in the league for a couple of years, and he's shown improvement in each of them. So the Wizards are picking him up on the upswing, which means they won't have to develop him. With Curry or Rubio, you're left developing for a couple of years, which only wastes the time of the core players on the team right now.

I think that's a fairly basic point that has been tossed around quite a bit ... no disrespect to Kalo, especially since I tend to agree in this instance.

Posted by: Keith McMillan | June 25, 2009 9:38 PM

And if the Wizards keep both Foye and Miller for a few years after, then they can be competitive for a little while.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 9:23 PM

Competitive for what? What do you think the Wiz will seriously be competing for with the 4-5 rotation they have right now?

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 9:38 PM

My sources tell me Minn is going to trade Johnny Flynn, DS, Op, and Et to the suns for Amare?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 9:39 PM

gott luv that funk

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 25, 2009 9:39 PM

Saunders proved he could get guys moving on defense in Detroit and Minnesota. He'll do it again in D.C., I think.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 9:26 PM

??? Detroit's defense was already in place when Saunders got there. Saunders had NOTHING to do with getting Ben Wallace, Tayshaun Prince and Chauncy Billups to play D.

And Minnesota? Yeah, if we had KG in his prime, I'm sure our defense would pick up tremendously even if I were the coach.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 9:42 PM

gott luv that funk

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 25, 2009 9:39 PM

Funkdafied.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 9:43 PM

@Keith

I understand, but I just started posting about all this tonight, and I saw it mentioned by kalo first. That's all. I'm aware it's a fairly obvious point.

@p1funk

The Wizards will be a competitive team with AJ at the 4 and Haywood at the 5. They were in the past. Presently constructed, they should be a top four team in the East. Orlando, Cleveland and Boston are all still probably better, but the Wizards can compete with all of those teams. The NBA is a talent league, and the Wizards have talent. I'd also reserve judgment at the moment. I'm sure EG has something else up his sleeve.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 9:43 PM

Blair is still available at 24. Trade up to take him now. #32 pick, Stevenson, James, whatever. He is a steal at 24.

Posted by: dominic10464 | June 25, 2009 9:46 PM

Sorry, p1funk, I don't buy the argument that Saunders had NOTHING to do with the defensive play of the Pistons and T-Wolves. Yeah, they had KG in Minny, but they also had Cassell and Latrell, two guys not known for defense, who put up solid efforts in their time. Good enough to get the Wolves to the WCF. In Detroit, he continued the tradition. I don't think that's anything to scoff at, either. Saunders has the ability to get guys moving defensively.

Matter of fact, I think Foye will be a pleasant surprise on defense.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 9:46 PM

We're 10 picks away from this team picking. I'd like to see Brown (Xavier), Pendergraff (ASU), or Gibson (USC) as the pick. Portland now has picks sandwiched around this team, hopefully they'll go with some wing players, but word was they were worried about this team picking one of their targets, therfore they traded up from 38 to 31.

BTW, Camby has 1 yr left with just over $7M due, so Mike James straight up won't due, since they've both got expiring deals and Camby is a little bit (just by the slimmest of margin) taller & better... Kaman for Miller is a tough call, since Kaman has 3 yrs left, but he does play hard and stays inside the paint... We shall see, I guess....

Posted by: -CN- | June 25, 2009 9:47 PM

@p1funk

The Wizards will be a competitive team with AJ at the 4 and Haywood at the 5. They were in the past. Presently constructed, they should be a top four team in the East. Orlando, Cleveland and Boston are all still probably better, but the Wizards can compete with all of those teams. The NBA is a talent league, and the Wizards have talent. I'd also reserve judgment at the moment. I'm sure EG has something else up his sleeve.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 9:43 PM

I'm sure they'll be competitive enough to get bounced in the first or maybe second round.

But we've been there and done that. We've seen what this core can do when everyone is healthy and playing well, and it's not getting to the East Finals.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 9:50 PM

Kalo,
I agree. But I suspect not everyone will ... maybe it's a no-brainer though.

I do think it's odd how excited people sometimes get over players on draft day as opposed to young, developing players like Foye.

Posted by: Keith McMillan | June 25, 2009 8:27 PM

Keith yopu have to agree with Kal you both get paid by the Wizards as their PR men

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 9:51 PM

Blair is still available at 24. Trade up to take him now. #32 pick, Stevenson, James, whatever. He is a steal at 24.

Posted by: dominic10464 | June 25, 2009 9:46 PM

If we can reach for Blair, I will post a nice rosy message about Ernie grunfeld...I promise...

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 9:51 PM

No Kaman. No one is taking on that contract. He is going to be tough to move with 3 years left.

Posted by: dominic10464 | June 25, 2009 9:52 PM

@ Dom & p1funk

Blair's got to be slipping b/c of his weight/health issues. Dude's 20 y/o and shows he's a beast in the paint. Here's hoping he's around...

Posted by: -CN- | June 25, 2009 9:53 PM

That core wasn't. But I'm giving this team a chance. I think Miller can have a monster year because he'll get open looks quite often. Foye will be a better backup PG/SG than AD or NY. AJ, Gil and CB should still play at a high level. NY needs to break through, and I think he'll play better. I like DM as a depth guy. Haywood should be solid. McGee should show improvement. Blatche I'm sort of giving up on. I know they're thin on the front line. I think we're all aware of that. But this team has enough to go to the second round. Beyond that, we'll have to see? But I'm getting the sense from some of these guys that they're taking their jobs more seriously, and they're more intent on winning ball games and playing the right way.

I also wouldn't discount Saunders coaching this team. He's a huge improvement over EJ.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 9:53 PM

CDon, seriously.

In Detroit Flip managed not to screw up the "tradition". That's alot different than getting a team that doesn't play D to turn around and play D. And the strength of the Minny team was not defense, it was scoring - that's why they always had trouble getting out of the first round...and I must say, I feel like we're gonna be in that boat too.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 9:54 PM

"Kalo raises a good point. Foye has been in the league for a couple of years, and he's shown improvement in each of them. So the Wizards are picking him up on the upswing, which means they won't have to develop him. With Curry or Rubio, you're left developing for a couple of years, which only wastes the time of the core players on the team right now.
I think that's a fairly basic point that has been tossed around quite a bit ... no disrespect to Kalo, especially since I tend to agree in this instance."

Its a solid decent choice over a risky "could-be-great, could=be -bust" kinda choice.. Wizards management , like the 'Skins, doesn't have the luxury of "build-for-the-future" when their best players are hitting the wall and have got only a couple of potentially great years left...LETS GO FOR IT!!!

Posted by: frak | June 25, 2009 9:54 PM

I do agree that getting Blair would be nice. If the Wiz can move up to get it, they probably should. Otherwise, they need to dump that pick and a player for a front court guy. There are still some options out there.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 9:54 PM

"Yeah, it is utterly meaningless if you want to change the point."

That's what I said.

"If we are gonna have that discussion, then a good way to gauge it is to look at how Brandon Roy has lived up to his potential. Relative to a player he was swapped for straight up, Foye has been a disappointment - that's all I was saying."

All I'm saying is that's a completely BS point of comparison.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 9:55 PM

"Dude's 20 y/o and shows he's a beast in the paint. "

He's also about 6' 5" with a weight problem. No thanks.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 9:56 PM

At 26, Blair is worth the risk. He was co-big east player of the year for a reason. All he needs to do is rebound for us.

Posted by: dominic10464 | June 25, 2009 9:56 PM

Alright, boys I'm checking out. It's always a pleasure mixing it up.

Here's to hoping we can get Blair and/or Ernie can make a move to seriosuly improve the team with a big or 2.

If not, we're one and done in the playoffs. I'd like to be wrong, but I'd rather be honest...

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 9:57 PM

TRADE UP FOR BLAIR!!!

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | June 25, 2009 9:58 PM

The anticipation for Blair seems to be building. Would be a fit, looked like Dallas was one of the teams what was going to be in the way, and they took Mullens.

Thoughts?

Posted by: Keith McMillan | June 25, 2009 9:59 PM

Not surprised to see Blair available this late. Every team saw what happened with Sean May.

Blair would be a good 2nd rd pick though for us...

Posted by: Vicc | June 25, 2009 9:59 PM

"I think that's a fairly basic point that has been tossed around quite a bit ... no disrespect to Kalo, especially since I tend to agree in this instance."

None taken. I certainly wasn't under the impression that I was breaking new ground by pointing that out. You asked the question and I gave the what (and, apparently you) thought was the obvious answer.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 9:59 PM

"No Kaman. No one is taking on that contract. He is going to be tough to move with 3 years left.

Posted by: dominic10464 | June 25, 2009 9:52 PM "

In 3 years, Kaman will be 30. He's the same age as Gilby, and younger than the other two members of the small 3. As a big man, 30 is not old, and Kaman didn't have 3 knee surgeries and doesn't depend on a burst of speed for his game.

You only move guys that don't produce that you acquire/sign/draft out of stupidity (MeShawn, OPech, Peter John Ramos, AB, ET, Dee Brown, etc.).

Given all that, with BTH at the 5, Les BouleS don't need a starting 5. They do need a starting 4 who has a post game and can defend.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 9:59 PM

This is a tragie farse. THE MISSTAKE was resigning Gilbert and letting Roger Mason go. If they don't have Gilbert and they had Roger, Rubio is a no brainer and makes this team very, very formidible. Roger is brilliant on the court and generous. He could have taken the heat from Rubio when needed, taken over the one when needed, and with the kid from Tech, they'd have had very solid to spectacular point play with scorers off the ball at the four.

However, once they resigned Gilbert, and got rid of Mason, the right move here was the one Ernie made, as sad as that is.

Posted by: cohenra | June 25, 2009 10:00 PM

Maybe Blair's knees got totally red flagged. A lot of teams passing on him now.

Posted by: dominic10464 | June 25, 2009 10:00 PM

I never said the strength of Minny was defense. I said he got that team to play good enough defense. All he needs is for the Wizards to play competently.

And give the guy some credit. He won 64 games with the Pistons one year. The guy has proven he can coach in the league. He's not some schlub from off the street. And, yes, he is more of an offensive coach. Well guess what? He has some offensive guys to work with in Washington.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 10:00 PM

On Bullets Forever, someone raised the point that if Minnesota and the Wiz had at least swapped the 28 and 32 in the trade, they'd be in position to pick Blair (gotta figure that Memphis passees here with Thabeet, Marc Gasol, etc. on board)

Posted by: Keith McMillan | June 25, 2009 10:01 PM

All the Gilbert bashers are not allowed on the bandwagon 25 games into the season. Gilbert will be fine next year and so will our team.

DCMAN is the first one off the bandwagon.

Posted by: dominic10464 | June 25, 2009 10:02 PM

"In Detroit Flip managed not to screw up the "tradition". That's alot different than getting a team that doesn't play D to turn around and play D." - p1funk

Too busy to find the reference now, but I read in an article about the Saunders hiring that Detroit's defense actually moved up in the NBA rankings the years that Flip was coaching. Not saying that it was his doing, just thought it was an interesting note about a guy people are saying can't improve our defense.

Posted by: segastyle | June 25, 2009 10:03 PM

Blair = Mike Sweetney...a Georgetown big man that nobody talks about.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 10:05 PM

If Blair is available when the Wiz pick, I don't understand why they wouldn't take him unless they are very, very high on someone else. Who cares if there's a risk that his knees are bad? It's a second round pick. It seems well worth the risk to me.

Posted by: joe_sill | June 25, 2009 10:05 PM

come on blair!!!

Posted by: AaronB1790 | June 25, 2009 10:05 PM

"All the Gilbert bashers are not allowed on the bandwagon 25 games into the season. Gilbert will be fine next year and so will our team.

DCMAN is the first one off the bandwagon.

Posted by: dominic10464 | June 25, 2009 10:02 PM "

And where will you be when his knee acts up again? I know, hanging from the 14 st. bridge.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 10:06 PM

I can't see how Blair continues to fall. It makes this draft more interesting, though.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 10:06 PM

Blair = Mike Sweetney, an undersized "big" man who ate himself out of the league.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 10:06 PM

Carroll 27th.

Posted by: Keith McMillan | June 25, 2009 10:07 PM

At this late in the draft if he can come in and get 10 rebounds a game, then it is a steal. You're no picking him lottery anymore.

Posted by: dominic10464 | June 25, 2009 10:07 PM

Blair has no ACLs please don't pick him

Posted by: anacostia85 | June 25, 2009 10:09 PM

"At this late in the draft if he can come in and get 10 rebounds a game, then it is a steal."

He's 6' 5" and he can't jump.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 10:09 PM

There is no way Abe will let them trade for a first round pick that would mean a guaranteed salary on the books!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 10:11 PM

Lakers won't pick a big, so Young (PG County kid) and Blair will be left. Hopefully one is still around for the Wizards to grab...


If not, Chase Budinger?

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | June 25, 2009 10:13 PM

kal, he's 6-foot-7 and 265. He's a wide body who wants to play in the paint and do dirty work and grab rebounds. I think he's a good fit for these guys and great value at 32. He also averaged 12 rebounds a game in a tough league. Pretty good for a guy who can't jump.

But keep in mind that having hops doesn't necessarily make you a great rebounder. Rebounding is about position and heart. Charles Barkley wasn't a jumper, and he was undersized. (And no, I'm not saying Blair will be Barkley. But the comparison, based on size, is there.)

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 10:14 PM


Wayne Ellington, a third Tarheel in the first round of the NBA draft. Ya' think we might know a thang or two about playin some ball down Carolina's way.

As my father used ta say. Boy I dun' toldya' so.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 25, 2009 10:14 PM

Very problematic that GA is ever the player he once was. Moving THOMAS and PECHEROV sweet. SONGAILA I'm sorry to see leave. Who did we get in the second round?

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 25, 2009 10:15 PM

Just the question of Rubio or Miller and Foye, I'd rather have Rubio. But we did get rid of some "toxic assets" and, if we hadn't made that trade, Minnesota would have aggresively tried to get one of the spots ahead of us, so how do we know he actually would have been there for us at 5?

Posted by: kseandoyle | June 25, 2009 10:16 PM

Wiz probably had a trade for their second round pick done way before Blair started falling... at least my guess.

Posted by: larryn703 | June 25, 2009 10:17 PM

"Charles Barkley wasn't a jumper, and he was undersized." - CDon

I agree with most of what you said except the above statement. Barkley, coming out of college was a freakish athlete for his size.

Posted by: segastyle | June 25, 2009 10:19 PM

lets pray for dejuan blair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: jdgreger@yahoo.com | June 25, 2009 10:19 PM

CLEVELAND SMELLS

just saying...

Posted by: -CN- | June 25, 2009 10:21 PM

OK, segastyle, but my main point is that rebounding is about more than hops. And hell, if Blair is willing stand in the paint, take and deliver a pound, grab the boards and just move guys around, then that would be great. It's something the Wizards don't have.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 10:21 PM

So, what's the risk of drafting Blair with a 2nd? The pick is non-guaranteed and Blair probably wouldn't make more than $800k. If he's John Hot Plate Williams II, cut him... easy as that...

I'd like to draft Griffin with the 32nd, thing is, the only Griffin available at 32 is Taylor, not Blake...

Posted by: -CN- | June 25, 2009 10:23 PM

Ok, so Blair, Pendergraffff, & Brown are available and are "solid" PFs, so I hope this team goes for one of them...

Posted by: -CN- | June 25, 2009 10:24 PM

Pick No. 30 ... NOT DeJuan Blair.

The guaranteed money thing kills the end of the first round.

Posted by: Keith McMillan | June 25, 2009 10:24 PM

Players are getting screwed because of teams over the cap. Teams over the cap are taking foreigners to avoid paying the luxury tax.

Posted by: dominic10464 | June 25, 2009 10:25 PM

I thought we would need to trade up for Blair as I mentioned yesterday. I can't believe he is still there. What is the issue? he is the banger we need. Is there a health issue or character issue? I hope we grab him!

Round 2 is about to begin...

BmoreRev

Posted by: stanlong23 | June 25, 2009 10:25 PM

"kal, he's 6-foot-7 and 265. He's a wide body who wants to play in the paint and do dirty work and grab rebounds."

Which is media guide speak for: He's really 6' 5" and can't jump because he's overweight for his size.

"Charles Barkley wasn't a jumper . . ."

Untrue.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 10:26 PM

Just as long as this team doesn't draft a Terp or Hoya, I'm good...

Posted by: -CN- | June 25, 2009 10:26 PM

Thing looking up for Dejuan Blair at #32!

Posted by: sagaliba | June 25, 2009 10:26 PM

Who did we get in the second round?

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 25, 2009 10:28 PM

"but my main point is that rebounding is about more than hops. "

If you're 6' 10 with long arms and some athleticism it is. When you're 6' 5" and 30 lbs overweight and can't jump over an Amish phone book, they're really not.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 10:28 PM

(OK, I lied. I'm back on DaJuan Blair watch.)

Dang it, Kal. Can't we agree on anything!

Someone thought Thabeet was good enough to go #2. We all watched Dajaun Blair violate his human rights on TV. He's got to be worth a grab at #32...

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 10:29 PM

Blair has energy, heart and passion on the boards. That's something the Wizards need. It's also something they don't have. He's worth the pick.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 10:30 PM

I think the value we got for an undetermined #5 and the players we threw in was good.

However, after seeing Ricky Rubio fall, there's no doubt in my mind that I would have rather had Rubio. I don't care if we are Cleveland-esque knocking on the door for the title, you shouldn't ever pass on a talent like that. We did it inadvertently. Just our luck.

Posted by: psps23 | June 25, 2009 10:30 PM

Blair please

Posted by: Kev29 | June 25, 2009 10:30 PM

32nd?

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 25, 2009 10:30 PM

We need bulk, all our big men are skinny - Blair!

Posted by: sagaliba | June 25, 2009 10:31 PM

Can't lose now, either Blair or Sam Young, both guys can make an impact

Posted by: BBDwrestling | June 25, 2009 10:31 PM

"you shouldn't ever pass on a talent like that."

How many full Ricky Rubio games have you watched?

Posted by: dominic10464 | June 25, 2009 10:31 PM

Don't agree, kal. If you're a rebounder naturally, then your position will always be good. And that will make you a solid boarder in the NBA. And as Van Gundy just said, rebounding translates. Scoring doesn't. Ball handling doesn't all the time. But rebounding is not something you necessarily teach. If you have the heart and you know how to get good position, you'll rebound.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 10:31 PM

Sac is officially on the clock, but ESPN.com reported the Blazers traded the 38th & Sergio Rodriquez to the Kings for #31...

Posted by: -CN- | June 25, 2009 10:31 PM

We're going to get Blair

Posted by: CPortisRun | June 25, 2009 10:31 PM

DeJuan Blair had a vertical of 33' in the predraft tests.

No great but in the middle of the pack.

He can jump a little. With a 7'2' wingspan, he can give up 3-4 inches.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=12826

Posted by: SteveMG | June 25, 2009 10:32 PM

DeJuan Blair is there Ernie.. NAB HIM!!!

Posted by: elfreako | June 25, 2009 10:32 PM

I think the value we got for an undetermined #5 and the players we threw in was good.

However, after seeing Ricky Rubio fall, there's no doubt in my mind that I would have rather had Rubio. I don't care if we are Cleveland-esque knocking on the door for the title, you shouldn't ever pass on a talent like that. We did it inadvertently. Just our luck.

Posted by: psps23 | June 25, 2009 10:30 PM


We didn't do it "inadvertently". It happened because Ernie is losing it.

We could ahve held onto #5 and waited for draft day to make the deal.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 10:32 PM

Yes! EG has to take Blair here

Posted by: CPortisRun | June 25, 2009 10:32 PM

BLAIR

Posted by: merajc86 | June 25, 2009 10:32 PM

Kings take Pendergraph.

Blair is on the board.

Posted by: Keith McMillan | June 25, 2009 10:32 PM

BLAIR BLAIR BLAIR BLAIR BLAIR

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 10:32 PM

Is the AMISH phone-book in the fold? Sounds like just the player for the LIZARDS.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 25, 2009 10:33 PM

HES STILL ON THE BOARD!!! COME ON ERNIE!

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | June 25, 2009 10:33 PM

BLAIR!

C'MON ERNIE, DON'T SCREW THIS UP!?!?!?!?

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 10:33 PM

"If you're a rebounder naturally, then your position will always be good. And that will make you a solid boarder in the NBA."

Doesn't mater what kind of position you get if you're too small and floor bound to actually get to the ball before the bigger, faster, more athletic players you're battling beat you to it.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 10:34 PM

Blair = Robert Traylor...a tractor full of KFC

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 10:34 PM

Blairblairblair

Posted by: detox04 | June 25, 2009 10:35 PM

"Just as long as this team doesn't draft a Terp or Hoya, I'm good...

Posted by: -CN- | June 25, 2009 10:26 PM "

Ain't no Terps eligible to be drafted.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 10:36 PM

DAMMED computer won't show the posts unless I do too. Sorry for the redundancy.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 25, 2009 10:36 PM

You're underestimating the ability to position yourself well. If you're there, you're going to box guys out and get to the ball. The athletic guys can try to run around and jump over you, but that's going to result in a foul or simply be ineffective. And you know, Blair isn't floor bound. You're making it sound like this guy isn't getting more than 20 inches off the floor, which isn't true. He's quite capable.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 10:36 PM

All we need from Blair is some rebounding and to have him knock some guards on their arses when they drive the lane.

He may not be a tall leaper, but he's gonna be tough to move inside when he gets position.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 10:36 PM

Huh?

Posted by: CPortisRun | June 25, 2009 10:36 PM

WTH

Posted by: merajc86 | June 25, 2009 10:36 PM

F u k YOU Earnie

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | June 25, 2009 10:36 PM

Why did Les BouleS draft a boxer?

Jermaine Taylor?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 10:37 PM

ANOTHER GUARD!?!?!??!?!??!

ERNIE YOU ARE THE WORST!?!??!?!?

SOMEONE NEEDS TO TAKE YOUR URINE AND TEST IT FOR NARCOTICS?!?!?!?

I CAN'T BELIEVE WE PICKED ANOTHER GUARD?!?!?!?

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 10:37 PM

WHY ERNIE WHY??!!??

Posted by: elfreako | June 25, 2009 10:37 PM

Jermaine Taylor, UCF.

I predict a lot of resentment for that guy as long as he's here :)

Posted by: Keith McMillan | June 25, 2009 10:37 PM

Ugh....WTF...

Posted by: detox04 | June 25, 2009 10:37 PM

This is simply odd to me, unless they're trading the pick. This, to me, is a bad selection, when the Wizards are clearly in need of a front court player. This smells like a Vinny Cerrato selection. I need offensive and defensive linemen, so I'll take TE's and QB's. Not sure what EG is doing here getting another guard.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 10:37 PM

another guard? We have to have some deal in the works where we're giving up DeShawn, Mike James, and/or Nick Young or something.

Posted by: CPortisRun | June 25, 2009 10:38 PM

What? Another guard? Ernie better has something up in his sleeve already!

Posted by: sagaliba | June 25, 2009 10:38 PM

32?

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 25, 2009 10:38 PM

Jermaine Taylor? I am stunned a guard was picked.

Obviously a trade is going to be made. If Taylor is traded here during the draft, I think we can kiss Stevenson, Young, or both goodbye. A deal will be made.

Posted by: Roman5 | June 25, 2009 10:38 PM

Im so done with this team...

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | June 25, 2009 10:38 PM

Another guard to add to the list.

Last season, biotches on this blog were crying about small ball.

Dare we say "smallest ball" for this upcoming season?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 10:38 PM

I CAN'T FRICKIN BELIEVE WE PICKED ANOTHER GUARD?!?!?!?

SCREW YOU ERNIE!

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 10:38 PM

Oh good the wiz took a guard just what it needed. Blair wouldn't have helped. FIRE ERNIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: hireaaron | June 25, 2009 10:38 PM

Is someone saying Wizards are trading that pick they just made?

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 10:40 PM

Hello...paging the Ernie apologists...hello, are you there?

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 10:40 PM

i wonder how far blair falls...there are some decent guys getting passed.

Posted by: hibachi | June 25, 2009 10:40 PM

Go F u K yourself Ernie.. Are you Susan O'malley in drag?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | June 25, 2009 10:40 PM

Trading player to Rockets?

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 10:40 PM

"How many full Ricky Rubio games have you watched?

Posted by: dominic10464"

Truthfully, 3. That's about the same amount of full games as I've seen of Stephen Curry, James Harden, Jordan Hill, or Tyreke Evans. How many have you seen?

Posted by: psps23 | June 25, 2009 10:40 PM

U-u-o-o-h, ANOTHER guard. I smell a trade coming on. Salary dump drum-roll please.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 25, 2009 10:40 PM

Got to be a trade.

Posted by: larryn703 | June 25, 2009 10:41 PM

Rather have Rubio and Blair??? Taylor looks fine as our 8th guard. we're sooooooo thin on Bigs wtf

Posted by: Chocolate_City | June 25, 2009 10:42 PM

Have any of you guys seen this dude play. He is sick, athletic, and a big powerful guard. He should have been taken in the first round. If he had played at a big school, he would have been a top 10 pick.

Posted by: paulb3rd | June 25, 2009 10:42 PM

Yeah, Ernie has a trade in the works.

He's trying to move JaVale McGee to pick up another guard...

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 10:42 PM

ROCKETS?

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 25, 2009 10:43 PM

maybe ernie is going to college route and play a 3 guard offense?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 10:44 PM

Have any of you guys seen this dude play. He is sick, athletic, and a big powerful guard. He should have been taken in the first round. If he had played at a big school, he would have been a top 10 pick.

Posted by: paulb3rd | June 25, 2009 10:42 PM

Yeah, that's great. I'm sure he'll get gobs of minutes with Arenas, Foye, Miller, Young and Butler on the roster.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 10:44 PM

Although adding YET ANOTHER GUARD to the logjam stinks of outright stupidity, the Wiz are somewhat vindicated by the fact that so far neither Portland nor Denver have jumped to take Sam Young, Dejuan Blair, or DaJuan Summers.

Still, this sums up my opinion of the draft pick:

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i263/seraphsephirot/picard-facepalm.jpg

Posted by: Crunkenstein | June 25, 2009 10:44 PM

hey he's versatile!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 10:45 PM

There absolutely is no way that there isn't a trade in the works...Blair or Sam Young would have been nice picks at #32.

Posted by: jrraley | June 25, 2009 10:45 PM

.................................................................................................................................................................... sigh.......................................................................................

Posted by: mfkrnnktb | June 25, 2009 10:45 PM

richardjusticeRockets just acquired Central Florida shooting guard Jermaine Taylor

Posted by: theredskin | June 25, 2009 10:45 PM

Its not a choice between the two!
We have 15 million of expiring contracts in the middle of a recession, which is like having bottled water in the middle of a desert, a hot commodity let me tell ya.
We could have a gotten a package just as impressive as Miller+Foye without dealing the draft pick. However, talent wasn't the consideration, but finding a face-saving way to cut costs was. The wizards thought people would forget about the fifth pick, after all look at who would be available at that pick. Then Rubio dropped. and the Wizards look like the most idiotically cheap team in the NBA.

Its no choice. We could have Ricky friggin Rubio and have dealt the expirings for any number of guys, just look at the number of absurd financially motivated trades that occurred today (Vince Carter anybody?)

Posted by: emmet1 | June 25, 2009 10:46 PM

maybe ernie is going to college route and play a 3 guard offense?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 10:44 PM


Ernie's plan is to challenge teams to a game of H-O-R-S-E, instead of the usual game of basketball...

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 10:46 PM

I smell STEVENSON and JAMES gone.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 25, 2009 10:47 PM

If they were going to take a guard they didn't want on the roster - why not Calathes and let him develop in Greece.

I see no logic behind this pick

Posted by: Kev29 | June 25, 2009 10:48 PM

I promise you guys, Taylor will be a star. The guy is sick, mean, and athletic. You take the best talent available and that is what ernie did.

Posted by: paulb3rd | June 25, 2009 10:48 PM

richardjustice : Rockets just acquired Central Florida shooting guard Jermaine Taylor

Posted by: theredskin | June 25, 2009 10:49 PM

TAYLOR HAS BEEN TRADED TO HOUSTON

Posted by: skins1110 | June 25, 2009 10:49 PM

Some of the talk on here makes Rubio seem like the second coming of MJ. C'mon. And as Mike explained earlier, it wasn't about cutting costs.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 10:49 PM

CALM DOWN GUYS

WIZARDS ARE TRADING JERMAINE TAYLOR TO THE HOUSTON ROCKETS

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/draft;_ylt=AgquVHzq1rIE_V.ADJLJ2.XPgq9_?round=2

Posted by: arenasmvp | June 25, 2009 10:49 PM

I see no logic behind this pick

Posted by: Kev29 | June 25, 2009 10:48 PM

Ernie made a deal with devil and signed away "logic" when he inked GA to a $111 mill contract.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 10:50 PM

Who did we send to the ROCKETS?

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 25, 2009 10:51 PM

Why not Sam Young of Pitt? Yes he's a tweener but this team has a glut of guards why in the name of Earl Monroe would you pick Jermaine Taylor? Young can rebound and he can shoot and defend and is a hometown kid and he played in the Big East, Another brilliant move by this clueless GM!

Posted by: dargregmag | June 25, 2009 10:51 PM

Here's Chad Ford's take on the 32nd pick:
The Wizards got a couple of guards in the Minnesota trade and add another with Taylor. He's a sleeper, a very athletic scorer. But I'm not sure how he fits with DeShawn Stevenson, Nick Young, Randy Foye and Mike Miller there. There must be a trade or two coming.

Posted by: -CN- | June 25, 2009 10:51 PM

CALM DOWN GUYS

WIZARDS ARE TRADING JERMAINE TAYLOR TO THE HOUSTON ROCKETS

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/draft;_ylt=AgquVHzq1rIE_V.ADJLJ2.XPgq9_?round=2


richardjustice : Rockets just acquired Central Florida shooting guard Jermaine Taylor

Posted by: theredskin | June 25, 2009 10:49 PM

TAYLOR HAS BEEN TRADED TO HOUSTON

Posted by: skins1110 | June 25, 2009 10:51 PM

kal, turns out Blair is taller than you thought and heavier than I thought. Wizards still should've taken him. It never hurts to have offensive rebounding.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 10:52 PM

What are we getting? Blair could have helped. Hate this f ing franchise

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | June 25, 2009 10:52 PM

Les BouleS trade Jermaine Taylor to Houston for Yao and Artest!


j/k

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 10:52 PM

So who could we have gotten for Rubio? any speculation?

Posted by: crs-one | June 25, 2009 8:37 PM

I'm sure we could have AT LEAST pulled the same deal with the Wolves, but managed to hold onto Songaila and give them DStevenson instead.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 8:44 PM

Ernie was interviewed on WaPo today(before the draft) and was asked about the possibility of Rubio falling to #5 - Ernie said he does not think any of the players they could have drafted at #5 (this includes Rubio) could help or be a contributor this season.

Regarding Stephenson, there were reports that Ernie wanted to trade Stephenson to MN instead of Songalia but the Wolves wanted Songalia.

Posted by: Lisa_R | June 25, 2009 10:53 PM

You're underestimating the ability to position yourself well. If you're there, you're going to box guys out and get to the ball. The athletic guys can try to run around and jump over you, but that's going to result in a foul or simply be ineffective."

I'm not underestimating anything. I'm simply not overestimating it. of course position is important. But part of being able to get position is to beat guys to a spot up the floor. Blair was a beast in college. But people rated down Thabeet's chances to dominate in the NBA because he'd be going against bigger, stronger guys. The same applies to Blair. He's not going to be able to bully Amare, or Duncan, or Garnett the way he bullied Thabeet.

"And you know, Blair isn't floor bound. You're making it sound like this guy isn't getting more than 20 inches off the floor, which isn't true. He's quite capable."

Assign whatever random number you want, however far he gets off the floor, the majority of NBA PFs are getting up that plus. And most of them aren't 6' 5".

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 10:53 PM

Besides TAYLOR?

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 25, 2009 10:53 PM

Why do they keep talking about this jewish kid being the first israeli to play in the NBA?

Isn't Jordan Farmar a jew?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 10:54 PM

the one thing the wizards could not do was grab boards. They had the best rebounder in dejuan blair and THEY DRAFT ANOTHER GUARD.

i can't wait till we score 110 points a game and get outrebounded by 20 a game. Then we get swept first round cause we can't grab a board cause twan jamison is hanging around the perimter wanting to shoot 3 pointers.

HOW CAN THE WORST REBOUNDING TEAM NOT DRAFT DEJUAN BLAIR?

Posted by: jdgreger@yahoo.com | June 25, 2009 10:54 PM

It's vindicating to see the Spurs grab DaJuan Blair.

It's not like Popovich has a nose for talent or opportunity, you know.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 10:54 PM

Horrible trade followed by horrible draft!!!

Posted by: Boogadiggy | June 25, 2009 10:54 PM

If the pick (Taylor) is going to Houston, does it mean Carl Landry is coming here? I could live with that, for sure...

Posted by: keithward64 | June 25, 2009 10:54 PM

@ arenasmvp

Good pull. There was nothing anybody could say about Taylor that would've made things seem better. Other than your post, that is. Thanks for talking ALL of us off the rooftops of our homes...

Posted by: -CN- | June 25, 2009 10:54 PM

OK so who did we get from the Rockets? I hope it's Joey Dorsey.

Posted by: elfreako | June 25, 2009 10:55 PM

TAYLOR HAS BEEN TRADED TO HOUSTON!

For what? We still ned bigs!

Posted by: sagaliba | June 25, 2009 10:55 PM

Sam Young would have been a nice pick.

Posted by: anacostia85 | June 25, 2009 10:55 PM

Taylor, Nick Young and Andray Blatche go to Houston for Tracy McGrady.

Just announced on NBA News:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI

Posted by: isnadd | June 25, 2009 10:55 PM

Jewish is not equal to Israeli

Posted by: amorris525 | June 25, 2009 10:55 PM

????

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 25, 2009 10:56 PM

What was so wrong with DeJuan Blair, Josh Heytvelt or Derrick Brown that we had to get some D-League prospect?

Jermaine Taylor???? Are we in danger of running out of jump-shooters in the next 15 minutes?

Posted by: mabkhar | June 25, 2009 10:56 PM

This is exactly why the good team stay good and the bad stay bad...The Spurs get the steal of the draft....unless Enrie pulls a trade I don't see, why in the world would you pass up Blair?

Posted by: lemekdivine | June 25, 2009 10:56 PM

Taylor for cash or 2nd round next year?

Posted by: Kev29 | June 25, 2009 10:56 PM

@ mabkhar, can you read or are you too lazy to scroll up???? he has been traded. sheesh!!!!

Posted by: skins1110 | June 25, 2009 10:57 PM

Why do they keep talking about this jewish kid being the first israeli to play in the NBA?

Isn't Jordan Farmar a jew?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 10:54 PM

Dumbest post ever?

Posted by: kidbrosweets | June 25, 2009 10:57 PM

I'm sure Ernie is trading Taylor to Houston for Brent Barry...after all, we need to bolster our perimeter shooting, you know?

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 10:58 PM

O.K. guys. Is TRACY McGRADY big enough for you? I still wish we hadn't been screwed AGAIN in the ping-pong ball contest. Could have used THABEET.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 25, 2009 10:58 PM

Why do they keep talking about this jewish kid being the first israeli to play in the NBA?

Isn't Jordan Farmar a jew?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 10:54 PM

Dumbest post ever?

Posted by: kidbrosweets | June 25, 2009 10:57 PM

YEAH, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW ERNIE IS THE JEW

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | June 25, 2009 10:59 PM

"Jewish is not equal to Israeli

Posted by: amorris525 | June 25, 2009 10:55 PM "

Israel considers all jews to be israeli citizens.

Go ask Sammy Sheinbein and his daddy.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 10:59 PM

There goes that term 'logic' again, being thrown around like it's todays newpaper!

Not the WaPo though,


Posted by: Vicc | June 25, 2009 11:00 PM

"Dumbest post ever?

Posted by: kidbrosweets | June 25, 2009 10:57 PM "

No, the above be.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 11:00 PM

not sure what the original comment was, BUT

thanks to the concept of "Aliyah" or the "Right of Return" for Jews to a homeland in Zion, on a technical level, most every Jew has a right to acquire citizenship and residence in Israel. It's constructive citizenship, like how the IRS says you taxes on that check cut in December you didn't cash until August.

Posted by: mabkhar | June 25, 2009 11:00 PM

@ DCMann

Re: Farmar

I know right?? They also said Rubio is spanish, but he has no connection to Mexico at all...

Posted by: -CN- | June 25, 2009 11:01 PM

hahahahahahahahahahaaha

cash

Posted by: theredskin | June 25, 2009 11:01 PM

TRACY McGRADY.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 25, 2009 11:01 PM

effin cash...Blair would have been better...

Posted by: merajc86 | June 25, 2009 11:01 PM

Cash to buy more shooters????

Posted by: skins1110 | June 25, 2009 11:02 PM

Cash!!

I'm losing faith. Quickly.

Posted by: psps23 | June 25, 2009 11:02 PM

yikes, Ernie's got no faith in the 2nd round, I guess.

Posted by: satchmore | June 25, 2009 11:02 PM

There is your big trade folks!!!!

We traded Taylor for Cash.

CHEAP A$$ Abe and his stooge Ernie.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 11:02 PM

Player given to Houston for cash. That won't stop the posters on here from hollering CHEAP at the top of their lungs. I think EG bungled this draft, which is bad considering he only had one pick. I thought the trade was fine, but he didn't do enough with this 32nd pick. There were guys left, and he should've gotten something other than cash for it.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 11:02 PM

They sold Taylor for cash. Just announced on ESPN

Posted by: mikewink44 | June 25, 2009 11:02 PM

The Wiz better use that cash to land a PF in FA. Can't believe they passed on Blair. The banger we needed. sad.

Posted by: jansjay | June 25, 2009 11:02 PM

"I know right?? They also said Rubio is spanish, but he has no connection to Mexico at all...

Posted by: -CN- | June 25, 2009 11:01 PM "

Spanish es de Espana....Mexican es ed Mexico.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 11:02 PM

traded that dude for f'n cash. so f'n lame.

Posted by: the_shocker1 | June 25, 2009 11:03 PM

I am covering all bets the Wizards do not win the nba championship next year and I am giving you 2-1 odds. I know a guy in south philly that will hold the money..........any takers?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 11:03 PM

ERNIE DRAFTED A KID SO HE CAN TRADE HIM FOR F'N CASH?

OMG. GILBERT PROBABLY HAS ANOTHER KNEE SURGERY THEY NEED TO PAY FOR.

WE PASS UP DEJUAN BLAIR...FOR CASH.

SHOOT ME.

Posted by: jdgreger@yahoo.com | June 25, 2009 11:03 PM

For CASH? ARE YOU F-ing kidding??! This is why we will be nothing more than mediocre at best.. YOu don't see Cleveland, or Orlanda saving cash?!!? They actually want to win. JESUS CHRIST I hate this franchise

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | June 25, 2009 11:03 PM

ALL ABOUT THE BENJAMIN'S WITH THIS ORG.

Posted by: bossclifnpooh2 | June 25, 2009 11:03 PM

Well, now Wizards need to unload James and another guard for a big guy or use an MLE on someone tall with a pulse.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 11:03 PM

This isn't the first time a pick was traded for cash by Les BouleS.. Didn't that happen 2 drafts ago?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 11:03 PM

I will NEVER attend a Wizards game until Abe and Ernie are gone. Instead of drafting a rebounder, they draft a guard and sell him to another team.

Posted by: Boogadiggy | June 25, 2009 11:04 PM

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Posted by: glawrence007 | June 25, 2009 11:04 PM

Cash folks.

Because despite all statements about gearing up to compete, the bottom line is that the single most important thing to this FO is that we pinch pennies and don't go into the luxury tax.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 11:04 PM

taylor traded for 2.5 million in cash.

Posted by: jwinches | June 25, 2009 11:04 PM

I have been telling everyone on here abe is CHEAP buy NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you listen to Kal who is the Wizards PR man and he gets paid by the wizards to post comments on here and people listen to him like people listen to Rush the big fat head limbaugh!

Wait maybe kal is Rush?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 11:06 PM

Knock it of, slimbo. Go peddle your ignorant wares elsewhere.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 11:06 PM

I guess the cash helps with the luxury tax.

Posted by: larryn703 | June 25, 2009 11:06 PM

For 20 years I've been watching the Bullets pick high in the draft and it's always anticlimatic. The only player they've drafted over the years that truly excited me was Rasheed Wallace. Rubio would have been a great gamble, a possible future star, very possibly. Miller/Foye instead? I would have to believe if Grunfeld thought Rubio would fall to fifth he wouldn't have traded the pick. Chalk it up as nother Bulwiz draft mistake.
And now they sell their second round pick when Blair and Patrick Mills are still out there? Both those players could be great NBA players.
The Bulwiz better get it together fast because without any legitimate young stars their window is fast closing.

Posted by: manwray | June 25, 2009 11:06 PM

Why am I a fan of this team? WHY!!!!!!

Posted by: lemekdivine | June 25, 2009 11:06 PM

Can't believe they did not take Blair. Unbelievable. Traded the guard for cash...wtf?

Ernie is a moron...

Posted by: fullertom | June 25, 2009 11:07 PM

C'mon, Ernie apologists, where are you now?

Didn't Ernie have some great plan?

Wasn't Miller/Foye just the first step in a big move to actually improve this roster??

Now we see what it was really all about. Dumping salary/contracts, avoiding having to pay a #5 pick, and selling a pick for cash.

C'mon, apologists...where are you now??

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 11:07 PM

Unless they're using said cash to buy out DeShawn Stephenson's or Mike James' contract with the intention of making a splash in FA, this is the most pathetic performance I can imagine.

You have a 19-win team, and you're selling your draft selection. I'm baffled.

Posted by: psps23 | June 25, 2009 11:07 PM

WIZARDS NEEDED THE CASH TO PAY FOR WES UNSELD'S COMEBACK.

HE WILL BE OUR SAVIOR ON THE BOARDS.

Posted by: jdgreger@yahoo.com | June 25, 2009 11:07 PM

For CASH? ARE YOU F-ing kidding??! This is why we will be nothing more than mediocre at best.. YOu don't see Cleveland, or Orlanda saving cash?!!? They actually want to win. JESUS CHRIST I hate this franchise

didn't the lakers sell their 1st for 3mil?

Posted by: hcic55 | June 25, 2009 11:07 PM

hurry up and buy your seaons tickets before they are all gone you don't want to miss this season it's going to be a great one.........25 wins!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 11:07 PM

Boogadiggy:

Now there's a lucid post. I've been sayin' all along that ownership must change for this franchise to move forward. Still think STEPHENSON and JAMES are in the wind however. For sure DIXON's toast.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 25, 2009 11:07 PM

Also, Rubio didn't want to play in Washington. Wizards could've drafted him, then he would've begged out, which would have resulted in less value in a trade. Or he would've played in Spain and never impacted the Wizards.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 11:08 PM

Hmmm, I wonder what tricks Ernie and Abe will pull right after season ticket holders renew this season.

I recall last season Gilby didn't declare himself out for the season until after this date.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 11:08 PM

Knock it of, slimbo. Go peddle your ignorant wares elsewhere.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 11:06 PM

Is this your blog?? Differece between fact and Fiction.

Fact - Ernie is a Jew
Fiction - The Wizards are committed to winning a championship

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | June 25, 2009 11:08 PM

STFU '78.
U fricken bigot.

Like I said put up your $250M & then u can do whatever u want.

Otherwise, No1 said anything when the Lakers traded for cash.
How many teams aren't trying to be under the cap u 70's polyester trash.

Posted by: Rocc00 | June 25, 2009 11:09 PM

Hey Irene how are you going to spin this latest move?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 11:09 PM

Relax, take a breath, everyone. If Ernie stands pat now, I'll be screaming along with the rest. If this is about being able to land a solid, UFA PF it could work out well. Let's wait and see.

Posted by: keithward64 | June 25, 2009 11:09 PM

Nice try, slimbo. You can't cover up your comments.

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 11:09 PM

I would have to believe if Grunfeld thought Rubio would fall to fifth he wouldn't have traded the pick. Chalk it up as nother Bulwiz draft mistake.

Posted by: manwray | June 25, 2009 11:06 PM


Mistake? It wasn't a mistake at all.

Ernie and Abe had decided that they were going to dump salary and avoid paying any draft picks bar-none.

There is no mistake here. Simply the cold calculations of a B.S. front office that blows alot of smoke about "competing" but only wants to pinch pennies.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 11:10 PM

Ernie is being interviewed on CSN and he said there will be probably be "something announced" in the morning.

Posted by: Lisa_R | June 25, 2009 11:10 PM

Only possible upside to this is further confirmation that another trade is coming. They have too many guards, somebody's got to go. I'm sorry to say it's probably Young, a hot commodity. But who can they get? Everyone wants Butler. Bosh still needs to be moved. What's happening?

Posted by: satchmore | June 25, 2009 11:10 PM


IS EVERYONE WATCHING AND LISTENING?...

I SAID 2 DAYS AGO THE ERNIE GRUNFIELD IS AN IDIOT!...

WHO SHOWEDIT BY GIVING AWAY THE 5TH PICK...

AND HE REALLY SHOWED HOW DUMB HE IS BY NOT PICKING DEJUAN BLAIR WHEN HE FELL INTO OUR LAP...

WHY DON'T YOU QUIT NOW ERNIE BEFORE THE SEASON STARTS AND SAVE EVERYONE THE HASSLE OF FIRING YOU LATER YOU IDIOT!...

THEN HE DRAFTS A NOBODY GUARD FROM CENTRAL FLORIDA AND TRADES HIM FOR CASH?...

SO BASICALLY, NO PICKS IN THE FIRST 2 ROUNDS...

ABE POLLIN IS A CHEAP YOU KNOW WHAT!...

DOESN'T CARE ABOUT WINNING...HE JUST WANTS SOME CASH!...

SELL YOUR SEASON TICKETS FOLKS...

THE WIZARDS ORGANIZATION DOESN'T WANT TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP, THEY JUST WANT TO WIN 40 GAMES A YEAR AND BE MEDIOCRE...

I FEEL BAD FOR THE PLAYERS, BECAUSE MANAGEMENT ISN'T HELPING THEM AT ALL!...

THIS IS THE THIRD YEAR IN A ROW THAT ERNIE HAS WASTED GOOD DRAFT PICKS...

A EURO BUM 3 YEARS AGO THAT NEVER MADE THE SQUAD...

A DRAFT PICK THAT THEY GAVE TO BOSTON LAST YEAR FOR GUESS WHAT...CASH!

AND THIS YEAR'S FIASCO...

ERNIE YOU STINK!...

GO BACK TO MILWUAKEE!

Posted by: docdwb | June 25, 2009 11:10 PM

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Posted by: glawrence007 | June 25, 2009 11:11 PM

Boogadiggy:

Now there's a lucid post. I've been sayin' all along that ownership must change for this franchise to move forward. Still think STEPHENSON and JAMES are in the wind however. For sure DIXON's toast.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 25, 2009 11:07 PM


I have had enough. I will NOT spend one penny on this team. If ownership and management don't want to spend money why should I?

Posted by: Boogadiggy | June 25, 2009 11:12 PM

Turn off the F'n caps lock. Geesh!

Posted by: paulb3rd | June 25, 2009 11:12 PM

Are you people serious? Rubio is 18 6'4" 180#'s the wizards got 2 potential starters, and got rid of the poet. Ernie G. is the exec. of the year.

Posted by: rskinz34 | June 25, 2009 11:12 PM

WHINING BABIES SUCK AT LEAVING COMMENTS

Posted by: hardiboiled | June 25, 2009 11:12 PM

Otherwise, No1 said anything when the Lakers traded for cash.
How many teams aren't trying to be under the cap u 70's polyester trash.

Posted by: Rocc00 | June 25, 2009 11:09 PM


THE LAKERS JUST WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

That is the dumbest post ever!! COmparing the wizards to the lakers

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | June 25, 2009 11:13 PM

everyone who said Barkley wasn't a next level freak of an athlete should be banned from this blog

Posted by: hardiboiled | June 25, 2009 11:13 PM

Lots of ignorant nobodies here commenting.
Esp. the bigots.

Posted by: Rocc00 | June 25, 2009 11:13 PM

Ernie is being interviewed on CSN and he said there will be probably be "something announced" in the morning.

Posted by: Lisa_R | June 25, 2009 11:10 PM

Hopefully, it will be his resignation announcement.

But he'll probably announce the signing of a great FA guard.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 11:13 PM

Just saw Ernie on CSN with Dave Johnson. He said there'll be more news in the morning.
It better involve a big body becuase if it's about another guard I might puke.

Posted by: elfreako | June 25, 2009 11:13 PM

Rocc00

Hopefully you're not talking to me...I've never brought religon into the mix.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 11:13 PM

Just heard on ESPN.

Abe is selling Jamison and Butler for cash consideration. Coincidentally Wes Unseld and Earl the Pearl Monroe are coming out of retirement to play for the wizards.

Posted by: jdgreger@yahoo.com | June 25, 2009 11:14 PM

Relax newbies. The Wizards don't need another project. What they need is a veteran player who can bang inside and rebound, play a little D. Lots of those guys will be around. If the team does nothing more with the roster before the season starts, then you can start being critical.

Posted by: larryrob | June 25, 2009 11:14 PM

Ernie is being interviewed on CSN and he said there will be probably be "something announced" in the morning.

Posted by: Lisa_R | June 25, 2009 11:10 PM

Breaking News..

Ernie is going to announce he is in fact a JEW on CSN tomorrow morning.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | June 25, 2009 11:14 PM

we already knew EG hated everyone in this weak draft so not surprised. VERY disappointed tho since blair would be worth more to us than 2.5mil

Posted by: hcic55 | June 25, 2009 11:14 PM

"Also, Rubio didn't want to play in Washington. Wizards could've drafted him, then he would've begged out, which would have resulted in less value in a trade. Or he would've played in Spain and never impacted the Wizards."

Dude, he's going to MINNESOTA. You think he was sitting on a beach in Barcelona thinking, "Man, I hope I can relocate to Minnesota and avoid DC!"
It's his agent who's the ass. Rubio will play wherever, even Minnesota.

Posted by: manwray | June 25, 2009 11:15 PM

Guys, lets not sugarcoat this, the Wizards need to know that they've got fans who love the team but don't put up with being shat on by Cheap Abe. They need to know that we know...that we got screwed so Abe could keep some cash.

Posted by: emmet1 | June 25, 2009 11:16 PM

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Posted by: glawrence007 | June 25, 2009 11:16 PM

Just saw Ernie on CSN with Dave Johnson. He said there'll be more news in the morning.
It better involve a big body becuase if it's about another guard I might puke.

Posted by: elfreako | June 25, 2009 11:13 PM

Has this been confirmed?

Posted by: dominic10464 | June 25, 2009 11:17 PM

Exactly, manwray. His agent. He wouldn't have played in Washington. And that had nothing to do with temperature.

Also, what the hell is going on on this blog tonight with some of these tasteless, ignorant, hate-filled comments?

Posted by: CDon | June 25, 2009 11:17 PM

Rubio can go back to Spain easily enough. Remember he said he's breaking even by buying himself out of his contract.

Posted by: larryn703 | June 25, 2009 11:17 PM

We selected Foye and Miller in this draft. We'll see how it works out for us. There could be trades to come - or we could be set.

Fact is, no one (but the idiot Knicks) wants anything to do with this draft for financial or talent reasons. Look what's happening now - good college players are going between 35 and 50 because no one wants to commit three years of money to them. Ernie's logic is actually the norm here. Vitale doesn't get it? Of course, cause he doesn't know a thing about the NBA.

That's my glass half full take

Posted by: Kev29 | June 25, 2009 11:17 PM

You people are complete f'n idiots do you remember life before Ernie?

Posted by: rskinz34 | June 25, 2009 11:18 PM

Good lord fools! Shut up with all the bs. The pick was traded for cash considerations to Houston. It's clear that EG, one the the shrewdest talent evaluators in the NBA, was not impressed with this draft whatsoever.

I am also sure that he is well aware that he needs to pick up some frontline help/depth. SVG and Mark commented how the Wiz and Saunders are in a position to make a lot of noise in the East. So all you couch potatoes need to lighten up a little bit!

Posted by: rphilli721 | June 25, 2009 11:18 PM

Hopefully you're not talking to me...I've never brought religon into the mix.
Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 11:13 PM

U might as well be slime bo.
Or does cheap & abe not in poor taste in your world.

Posted by: Rocc00 | June 25, 2009 11:18 PM

"There is no mistake here. Simply the cold calculations of a B.S. front office that blows alot of smoke about "competing" but only wants to pinch pennies."


That's ridiculous. Look at the over the top money they've shelled out for Arenas and Jamison! And you say they're looking to save 2.7 million? Gimme a break. If only it were that simple. The Bulwiz aren't cheap, they're just incompetent.

Posted by: manwray | June 25, 2009 11:19 PM

Deshawn Stevenson, you da man you da man, Mike James, you da man you da man, CASH, you da man you da man - - that's the reason I'm a Wizards fan!!

Posted by: hamptonpirates89 | June 25, 2009 11:19 PM

Rubio isn't dumb. He knows it's all about making the most money possible. Every year he stays in Spain is another year he has to wait to sign out of his rookie contract. He'll play anywhere.

Posted by: psps23 | June 25, 2009 11:19 PM

I still like the trade. The Wizards game plan is clear -- win now.

They still need insurance in the front court, but no complaints from this fan.

Posted by: JPRS | June 25, 2009 11:19 PM

What about of Vladimir Veremeenko
2nd round pick of 2006. Is he ready to play this year.

We need big bodies....

Posted by: dnaik | June 25, 2009 11:20 PM

rskinz34:

Gotta' agree on getting ANYTHING for THOMAS being a coup of the first order. Too bad they wouldn't fall for the STEPHENSON trap. Took a solid bench/role player in SONGAILA.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 25, 2009 11:21 PM

I have put together just as many NBA Championship teams as Ernie. Abe if you are reading this, hire me. You can pay me less than you pay Ernie.

Posted by: Boogadiggy | June 25, 2009 11:22 PM

I can't believe people are still on Veermenko watch.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 25, 2009 11:22 PM

"What about of Vladimir Veremeenko
2nd round pick of 2006. Is he ready to play this year."

If this is the surprise that's announced tomorrow, I might strangle myself.

Posted by: psps23 | June 25, 2009 11:24 PM

"Just heard on ESPN.

Abe is selling Jamison and Butler for cash consideration. Coincidentally Wes Unseld and Earl the Pearl Monroe are coming out of retirement to play for the wizards.

Posted by: jdgreger@yahoo.com | June 25, 2009 11:14 PM "

IF Abe is in the selling mood, how about selling the team right now?

Leonsis...where are you?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 11:24 PM

You people are complete f'n idiots do you remember life before Ernie?

Posted by: rskinz34 | June 25, 2009 11:18 PM

Good lord fools! Shut up with all the bs. The pick was traded for cash considerations to Houston. . .

I am also sure that [EG] is well aware that he needs to pick up some frontline help/depth. SVG and Mark commented how the Wiz and Saunders are in a position to make a lot of noise in the East. So all you couch potatoes need to lighten up a little bit!

Posted by: rphilli721 | June 25, 2009 11:18 PM

Perhaps not as diplomatically stated as could be, but Amen. There's always the unexpected, but with the addition of that as yet unknown frontline help, the Wiz are looking good.

Posted by: 7snider7 | June 25, 2009 11:24 PM

any good pf's available? birdman is out of our price range, and verejao is overrated. he wont get half those flops called on ateam without lebron. someone else besides gooden?

Posted by: hcic55 | June 25, 2009 11:26 PM

What about of Vladimir Veremeenko
2nd round pick of 2006. Is he ready to play this year.

We need big bodies....

Posted by: dnaik | June 25, 2009 11:20 PM

Saw this guy come over for our summer league a year or two back. He was awful. Wouldn't expect much if he even does come over.

Posted by: dominic10464 | June 25, 2009 11:26 PM

it would be nice to get an update from our f-ing beat writer. wtf. big ern, you better blow us away tomorrow to make up for that whiff on blair. i feel like i'm taking crazy pills.

Posted by: tcerand | June 25, 2009 11:27 PM

IF Abe is in the selling mood, how about selling the team right now?
Leonsis...where are you?
Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 11:24 PM

Why would he sell to satisfy u - u c0ckroach?

Posted by: Rocc00 | June 25, 2009 11:27 PM

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Posted by: glawrence007 | June 25, 2009 11:27 PM

Yep, Foye and Miller will make them better next year. The only problem is that Rubio would have been a great fit for the next 9 years after that. You don't see many passers (pretty much ambidextrous) available in a draft very often. Most of these guys are scoring PGs who don't pan out. With scorers around him, Rubio will be amazing in this league.

I can't believe they didn't wait until draft time to pull the trigger. They threw away all possible leverage. And, is it really that hard to slide Gil to the 2. The guy does kind of like to shoot afterall.

Posted by: Shanen | June 25, 2009 11:27 PM

looking over the PF FA class for 2009. let's get one of these guys:

1. Drew Gooden
2. Rasheed Wallace
3. Brandon Bass
4. Chris Wilcox
5. Stromile Swift

do we have enough cash for any of those 5?

Posted by: jansjay | June 25, 2009 11:28 PM

You people are complete f'n idiots do you remember life before Ernie?

Posted by: rskinz34 | June 25, 2009 11:18 PM

Good lord fools! Shut up with all the bs. The pick was traded for cash considerations to Houston. . .

I am also sure that [EG] is well aware that he needs to pick up some frontline help/depth. SVG and Mark commented how the Wiz and Saunders are in a position to make a lot of noise in the East. So all you couch potatoes need to lighten up a little bit!

Posted by: rphilli721 | June 25, 2009 11:18 PM

Perhaps not as diplomatically stated as could be, but Amen. There's always the unexpected, but with the addition of that as yet unknown frontline help, the Wiz are looking good.

Posted by: 7snider7

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Amen.

And enough with the b.s. Rocc00 and Slimbo.

Posted by: JPRS | June 25, 2009 11:29 PM

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Posted by: glawrence007 | June 25, 2009 11:31 PM

I am also sure that [EG] is well aware that he needs to pick up some frontline help/depth. SVG and Mark commented how the Wiz and Saunders are in a position to make a lot of noise in the East. So all you couch potatoes need to lighten up a little bit!

Posted by: rphilli721 | June 25, 2009 11:18 PM


How closely do you think SVG and Mark are following the Wizards, for real?

They know that Gilbert and Haywood are coming back from injuries, and so the standard line is - "The Wizards are ready to compete again and make some noise".

"Make some noise"???? WTH does that mean? That's dumb vanilla talking-head space filler. They have no clue what the Wiz are prepared to do b/c they have their eyes on 30 teams and the Wiz are at the bottom of the list.

And I hope to God Ernie see our need for front-line help. EVERYONE UNDER THE SUN SEES OUR NEED FOR FRONT-LINE HELP. I thought he would see it tonight when DaJuan Blair was staring him in the face, but I guess we have to wait for the morning when the crack wears off and Ernie is ready to do something serious to make this team competitive.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 11:31 PM

Haters, please follow these steps:
1) Pick another team to root for
2) Stop posting here
3) Begin hating on your new favorite team's blog

For what it's worth, I liked the Miller/Foye trade. I would have loved to see the Wiz take Blair when he fell to the 2nd round; however they weren't alone in passing on him. Only time will tell if that was a bad decision. It's too early to say one way or the other, just like it's too early to say that trading the pick that could have gotten Rubio was smart. (I think Rubio is wildly overrated at this stage of his career, and I'm not convinced he's the second coming of anybody worth naming yet.) This was a pretty weak draft. If Ernie can continue to deal, there are veteran forwards that will be available in trade or free agency that will be able to help Washington.

Posted by: gophercrow | June 25, 2009 11:31 PM

1. Drew Gooden - As GM'er put it, "soft as charmin." don't need another goofball to go on this team with MeShawn and their beard competition.
2. Rasheed Wallace - Too unpredictable.
3. Brandon Bass - Who?
4. Chris Wilcox - Nice player, but no offense and really only about 6-8. Low blocks.
5. Stromile Swift - Whatever

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 11:31 PM

This team will never get past he first round of the playoffs with a shoot first point guard that can't play a lick of defense.....not to mention who has knees like joe namath.

Gilbert doesn't make his teammates better, he makes himself better.

But imagine if we had Ricky Rubio dishin it to nick young, butler, and twan? Now that is exciting.

Posted by: jdgreger@yahoo.com | June 25, 2009 11:31 PM

I'll take Wilcox as a FA...He shouldn't cost much an will be a great chance of pace as a backup Pf or C

Posted by: lemekdivine | June 25, 2009 11:32 PM

All of you that keep complaining that we did not get VC or Shaq really need to stop. First, you already have three starting scorers, you dont need more. We are already scoring over 100 pts a game, its not like we are gonna score 120 with VC on board. You need some solid role players to come in and solidify the rotation so that the top 3 don't have to be in the game every minute for us to score pts.

Also, stop bashing Ernie because he traded Taylor and did not get Blair, Young or Brown. Maybe he is not trying to save money...maybe he is trying to accumulate money to pay for the taxes that he may incur when he trades our guards for a solid big man.

Since Ernie has been here, he got Caron for Kwame and Jamison for the 5th pick. And yes, I know Devin Harris was that pick, but until last year he was not really doing much. While Jamison was leading us to several playoff appearances. And yea, we only got out of the first round once. You ungrateful fans seem to think that we were the Chicago Bulls during the past decade. HELLO!!! We had not made the playoffs since C-webb made it that once and before that you had to go back to the 80's. So Ernie has given us something to be happy about. Considering we had made the playoffs once in who knows how long, i think ernie deserves the benefit of the doubt. Unless you want MJ back here drafting more Kwame Browns.

Posted by: bstroma16 | June 25, 2009 11:33 PM

O.K. Good night all, haters and others. Looking forward to tomorrow's announcement.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 25, 2009 11:33 PM

NEVER EVER liked this trade. Since Miller was at Orlando, his name seemed to appear as trade bait. Doc Rivers offered him to us for a pick a few years back. I read Arizona press and see that Wiz deal for Amare fell through because Wiz wouldn't part with AJ and would take Richarsonson as part of the deal. Abe did want to go ovder the lux tax and I see the Wiz pick in the draft and we select another guard with Pitt's Blair and G'towns' Siummers still on the board. I hope this thing gets better before it get worse. MM, please prove me wrong and help me understand why you're always on the trading block!

Posted by: zack9633 | June 25, 2009 11:34 PM

"Why would he sell to satisfy u - u c0ckroach?

Posted by: Rocc00 | June 25, 2009 11:27 PM "

Yeah, why would he sell....I mean, he can sell his picks every year and make money, have more family nights, have more bachelor nights, and continue this curse while numbnuts like yourself continue to cheer and hold out hope of getting out of the lottery.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 11:35 PM

"Could of, Would of, Should of"! That is why Ernie gets paid the big bucks to make these real life, high pressure, "gut-wrenching" decisions. I think it was Doc Walker that said the phrase "Could of, Would of, Should of" in reference to "loser's" talk. The decision has been made by a person that is paid to do his job, move on and see the results. If life was all about hindsight then I could have been a billionaire by now based on all the lottery numbers I should have picked or all the stock trades I could have bought. But life still goes on, and so shall the Wizards next year.

Posted by: JohnWWW | June 25, 2009 11:35 PM

OF Course, the Wizards just tanked the remainder of the lottery. At the 32nd pick, they selected Jermaine Taylor where they passed up the chance to draft DeJuan Blair or Sam Clancy who are both noted for their rebounding ability and playing big. I could not believe that the two of them had slipped into the second round. With the need for rebounders, you would assume that the Wizards would take a chance.

Okay, if that was not bad enough then the Wizards sell the Jermaine Taylor pick to Houston for cash considerations, I am starting to wonder about the "Cheap statement" that is going around about the Wizards.

Posted by: RichAbraham | June 25, 2009 11:35 PM

Rocc00

Don't blame me Abe wants to run this franchise like he does....I don't care what religon he is, the facts are the facts and if you can't see that then that is you're problem not mine.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 11:35 PM

something tells me there is deal with the Wiz and the Clips brewing...

Posted by: oddjob2 | June 25, 2009 11:35 PM

Haters, please follow these steps:
1) Pick another team to root for
2) Stop posting here
3) Begin hating on your new favorite team's blog

For what it's worth, I liked the Miller/Foye trade. I would have loved to see the Wiz take Blair when he fell to the 2nd round; however they weren't alone in passing on him. Only time will tell if that was a bad decision. It's too early to say one way or the other, just like it's too early to say that trading the pick that could have gotten Rubio was smart. (I think Rubio is wildly overrated at this stage of his career, and I'm not convinced he's the second coming of anybody worth naming yet.) This was a pretty weak draft. If Ernie can continue to deal, there are veteran forwards that will be available in trade or free agency that will be able to help Washington.

Posted by: gophercrow | June 25, 2009 11:31 PM


Kool-Aid Drinkers, please follow these steps:

1)Make excuses for Ernie Grunfled no matter what.
2)Act like the Wizards are relevant competitors in the East.
3)Turn a blind eye to all the signs indicating that this FO is a penny-pinching cash-grabbing operation that doesn't care if the Wiz are competitive as long as Gilbert is in town to throw his jersey into the stands and make you happy.

WHEN and IF Ernie deals for a veteran forward/center that will amke a difference on this team, then let's give him some kudos. Until then, keep his feet to the fire and make him accountable for the moves he's actually made, not the ones we hope he's going to make.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 11:36 PM

San Antonio has nailed it. They pick up DeJuan Blair and Jack McClinton with 2 2nd round picks, after already dealing for Richard Jefferson earlier this week.

Posted by: CPortisRun | June 25, 2009 11:36 PM

I'd love a blog post right about now. Another doozy of a draft for the Wizards, if you can call it that. The Wizards are no better than 5th right now in the Eastern Conference, and that's with everyone healthy. With little depth in the frontcourt and still not an ounce of defense to be found... I cannot fathom how this offseason works out well for Washington. Rubio would've been a steal at 5, instead we're locked in with Miller as our shooting guard. It's nice that nobody could've stepped in and helped this year, but then again Mike Miller ain't doing anything to make this team better than a 1st round loss yet again. Bad draft, bad start, let's hear something from Mike Lee.

Posted by: wizfan305 | June 25, 2009 11:36 PM

When did it become better to have a point guard who cant shot and is thin as a rail, or a PROVEN point guard and 2 guard who can shoot.

Posted by: rskinz34 | June 25, 2009 11:37 PM

Would NOT take J Rich as part of the deal!

Posted by: zack9633 | June 25, 2009 11:37 PM

numbnuts like yourself continue to cheer and hold out hope of getting out of the lottery.
Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 11:35 PM

who the hell uses numb nuts in the 21st century except a balding twerp from MD like u?
I gotza the money & I can act like fool. U don't.

Posted by: Rocc00 | June 25, 2009 11:38 PM

"Kool-Aid Drinkers, please follow these steps:

1)Make excuses for Ernie Grunfled no matter what.
2)Act like the Wizards are relevant competitors in the East.
3)Turn a blind eye to all the signs indicating that this FO is a penny-pinching cash-grabbing operation that doesn't care if the Wiz are competitive as long as Gilbert is in town to throw his jersey into the stands and make you happy.

WHEN and IF Ernie deals for a veteran forward/center that will amke a difference on this team, then let's give him some kudos. Until then, keep his feet to the fire and make him accountable for the moves he's actually made, not the ones we hope he's going to make.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 11:36 PM "

Amen...someone with some sense on this blog.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 11:38 PM

Whatever this prospective deal is, it better involve the cash considerations we received, or today's trade is unacceptable to me. I don't care if we snatch Amare for a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, selling a draft pick for a 19-win team is absolutely atrocious.

Posted by: psps23 | June 25, 2009 11:38 PM

I found the below stats for our draft picks this decade...

Past First-Round Picks NBA Career Averages
YEAR PICK PLAYER PPG RPG APG
2008 18 JaVale McGee 6.5 3.9 0.3
2007 16 Nick Young 9.3 1.7 1.0
2006 18 Oleksiy Pecherov 3.6 2.1 0.1
2004 5 Devin Harris 12.2 2.4 4.3
2003 10 Jarvis Hayes 8.4 3.2 1.1
2002 17 Juan Dixon 8.4 1.9 1.8
2002 11 Jared Jeffries 5.3 4.4 1.4
2001 1 Kwame Brown 7.0 5.6 1.0


C'mon Abe hire me!!!

Posted by: Boogadiggy | June 25, 2009 11:40 PM

HELLO!!! We had not made the playoffs since C-webb made it that once and before that you had to go back to the 80's. So Ernie has given us something to be happy about. Considering we had made the playoffs once in who knows how long, i think ernie deserves the benefit of the doubt. Unless you want MJ back here drafting more Kwame Browns.

Posted by: bstroma16 | June 25, 2009 11:33 PM


You are exactly the kind of fan that Ernie and Abe are hoping to sell season tix to.

Content with a couple of streaky All-Stars that are good enough to get bounced in the first or second round. Sure, this organization (thanks to its owner) was in the tank for so long. Competing for a title is irrelevant - be happy with a few playoff appearances instead.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 11:40 PM

if you can't see that then that is you're problem not mine.
Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 11:35 PM

Ignorance maybe bliss but it sure ain't getting me to come on a chatboard & b!tch.

Cheap & abe & u still don't think it's in poor taste?
U are from the burb aren't you?

Posted by: Rocc00 | June 25, 2009 11:40 PM

7 (37) San Antonio (from Golden State through Phoenix) DeJuan Blair 6-7 277 PF Pittsburgh
Are you kidding me? How do these guys fall into San Antonio's lap? Tony Parker at 29? Ginobili late in the second? Now Blair here? This is a great pick for the Spurs. He might be able to start in San Antonio if Duncan plays the 5. This late in the draft, his knee issues aren't much of a risk; he's just a really cheap rebounder. The Spurs are getting an A+ tonight.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 11:42 PM

Even ESPN had a long series of articles (on insider) about how much the draft doesn't matter. Everyone knew this was a pretty weak draft going in. Smart to deal.

I agree, probably should have waited until closer, but those are still two very good players who will likely combine for 30+ ppg next year. Foye is by no means a bust. Miller is proven 40% 3-baller with good length.

Everything is contingent on getting another decent big man. After awesomely drafting ANOTHER SG maybe we will trade somebody. Maybe.

Posted by: Redskinnerton | June 25, 2009 11:43 PM

lmfao.. I am going to bed on that note!
Posted by: slimbo-Rice | June 25, 2009 11:41 PM

Die like MJ now - overnight too!

$> u

Posted by: Rocc00 | June 25, 2009 11:43 PM

This team as currently constructed and with Saunders as coach will come close to a 50 win season. Mark my words! Unless there is a "nice" player picked up for the frontcourt, meaning something more than just depth, we will get exposed in the second round of the playoffs. But, right now, that's my prediction.

Right now, this team is better and deeper than the team that was LEADING the Eastern conference a couple of seasons ago before GA went down. Miller is a great pickup!

AND, although there is some redundancy, we will be able to play GA, Butler, and Jamison less than 38/40 mins a game now, which is not a bad thing either! I look for those three to average no more than 36 mins a game for the entire season.

Posted by: rphilli721 | June 25, 2009 11:44 PM

Everything is contingent on getting another decent big man. After awesomely drafting ANOTHER SG maybe we will trade somebody. Maybe.

Posted by: Redskinnerton | June 25, 2009 11:43 PM

Before the Foye/Miller move everything was contigent on getting another decent big man.

After the foye/Miller move everything is contingent on getting another decent big man.

For 5 years everything has been contignent on getting another decent big man.

Why don't we have another decent big man?

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 11:48 PM

"Right now, this team is better and deeper than the team that was LEADING the Eastern conference a couple of seasons ago before GA went down. Miller is a great pickup!

AND, although there is some redundancy, we will be able to play GA, Butler, and Jamison less than 38/40 mins a game now, which is not a bad thing either! I look for those three to average no more than 36 mins a game for the entire season.

Posted by: rphilli721 | June 25, 2009 11:44 PM "

Really? How so in the 4 spot? What about backup center?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 11:48 PM

what ernie for elgin?

Posted by: merajc86 | June 25, 2009 11:50 PM

Either Ernie is brilliant and has a plan or an idiot. i am going to reserve judgment untill camp starts because obviously he must be confident about a big man that he wants. Young, Blatche, James, Stevenson... are all fair game for a trade. I thought Blair was the obvious choice as it got closer and I am still stunned. Spurs always get it right. Looks like Clippers or Suns are trade possibilities to me. I hope the posts about an announcement tomorrow are correct. Something big needs to happen. And I sure hope it is not for McGrady or Stoudemire unless we also gets some quality defense, bulk and attitude along with it.

BmoreRev

Posted by: stanlong23 | June 25, 2009 11:52 PM

Right now, this team is better and deeper than the team that was LEADING the Eastern conference a couple of seasons ago before GA went down. Miller is a great pickup!

Posted by: rphilli721 | June 25, 2009 11:44 PM "


Are you serious?!?!?!

For one half of one season, the Wiz played out of their minds and EJ coached an All-Star game.

This team, with this core of players has never gotten past the second round when fully healthy and playing well.

Does Miller put them over the top? Does that put us in the same discussion with Boston and Cleveland and Orlando?

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 11:52 PM

"who the hell uses numb nuts in the 21st century except a balding twerp from MD like u?
I gotza the money & I can act like fool. U don't.

Posted by: Rocc00 | June 25, 2009 11:38 PM "

A fool and his money are soon parted....

Sorry, you and your pennies don't have a good future together.

LMFAO!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 11:52 PM

"Dumbest post ever?

Posted by: kidbrosweets | June 25, 2009 10:57 PM "

No, the above be.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 11:00 PM

Posted by: Vicc | June 25, 2009 11:54 PM

That was easy...Now, I understand how you think; I hope you don't mind I used your own tactics agaisn't you twice now.

Can you explain why I continue my bottom-feeder ways?

(Cue Lackluster Response)

Posted by: Vicc | June 25, 2009 11:55 PM

Either Ernie is brilliant and has a plan or an idiot.

Posted by: stanlong23 | June 25, 2009 11:52 PM

Ernie has a plan, alright. No doubt about it.

The plan is to (1) pinch pennies, (2) take your cash, and (3) fuel false hopes of title contention when the team he's built is as good as a second round exit.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 11:56 PM

The Post needs to take responsibility and be accountable for the comments on this board tonight. This is a major American media organization, yet to read this forum, you would think it was a two-bit blog. Where is the gatekeeping? Why should so many ignorant, flame-throwing folks be allowed to hold this forum hostage?

Mike, this is NOT okay. These comments degrade this newspaper, and they degrade your page.

Posted by: DentonTK | June 25, 2009 11:57 PM

7 (37) San Antonio (from Golden State through Phoenix) DeJuan Blair 6-7 277 PF Pittsburgh
Are you kidding me? How do these guys fall into San Antonio's lap? Tony Parker at 29? Ginobili late in the second? Now Blair here? This is a great pick for the Spurs. He might be able to start in San Antonio if Duncan plays the 5. This late in the draft, his knee issues aren't much of a risk; he's just a really cheap rebounder. The Spurs are getting an A+ tonight.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 11:42 PM

Ernie knows more then pops thats why he let mason go ......I'm sorry Ernie how many rings do you have?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 11:59 PM

"The Post needs to take responsibility and be accountable for the comments on this board tonight. This is a major American media organization, yet to read this forum, you would think it was a two-bit blog. Where is the gatekeeping? Why should so many ignorant, flame-throwing folks be allowed to hold this forum hostage?

Mike, this is NOT okay. These comments degrade this newspaper, and they degrade your page.

Posted by: DentonTK | June 25, 2009 11:57 PM "

Stop crying. It's been worse than this.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 25, 2009 11:59 PM

Ernie Grunfeld is the early front-runner for NBA Executive of the Year.

Who are you people attacking Ernie? Seriously, do you people even watch the NBA? The guy is a genius, please go away.

Posted by: Barno1 | June 25, 2009 11:59 PM

"The plan is to (1) pinch pennies, (2) take your cash, and (3) fuel false hopes of title contention when the team he's built is as good as a second round exit.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 11:56 PM "

Hold it, how did you get access to Dishonest Abe's diary?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 26, 2009 12:00 AM

HELLO!!! We had not made the playoffs since C-webb made it that once and before that you had to go back to the 80's. So Ernie has given us something to be happy about. Considering we had made the playoffs once in who knows how long, i think ernie deserves the benefit of the doubt. Unless you want MJ back here drafting more Kwame Browns.

Posted by: bstroma16 | June 25, 2009 11:33 PM


You are exactly the kind of fan that Ernie and Abe are hoping to sell season tix to.

Content with a couple of streaky All-Stars that are good enough to get bounced in the first or second round. Sure, this organization (thanks to its owner) was in the tank for so long. Competing for a title is irrelevant - be happy with a few playoff appearances instead.

You are the ype of person that would have asked the Bulls to trade MJ after he kept failing early on. Why don't you first wait and see exactly what takes place this offseason. This is not the same team that will be starting the year in the fall. Just wait until all the pieces are there before you have your heart attack.

Posted by: bstroma16 | June 26, 2009 12:01 AM

Very, very disappointing second round.

That said, the Wizards should be able to pick up another big as a FA, in a trade, or from the NBDL.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | June 26, 2009 12:01 AM

HELLO!!! We had not made the playoffs since C-webb made it that once and before that you had to go back to the 80's. So Ernie has given us something to be happy about. Considering we had made the playoffs once in who knows how long, i think ernie deserves the benefit of the doubt. Unless you want MJ back here drafting more Kwame Browns.

Posted by: bstroma16 | June 25, 2009 11:33 PM


You are exactly the kind of fan that Ernie and Abe are hoping to sell season tix to.

Content with a couple of streaky All-Stars that are good enough to get bounced in the first or second round. Sure, this organization (thanks to its owner) was in the tank for so long. Competing for a title is irrelevant - be happy with a few playoff appearances instead.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 11:40 PM

You are the ype of person that would have asked the Bulls to trade MJ after he kept failing early on. Why don't you first wait and see exactly what takes place this offseason. This is not the same team that will be starting the year in the fall. Just wait until all the pieces are there before you have your heart attack.

Posted by: bstroma16 | June 26, 2009 12:02 AM

"That said, the Wizards should be able to pick up another big as a FA, in a trade, or from the NBDL.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | June 26, 2009 12:01 AM "

LMFAO!

What in the world would Les BouleS get in a trade for players that either nobody wants, or players that EG won't trade?

The small 3 are pretty much untouchable. EG was not willing to trade Caron for Amare.

The only dude who has serious trade value, and could possibly be traded, is BTH. Without BTH, or an equivalent on this team, it'll be back to the lottery next season, and that means more picks for cash.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 26, 2009 12:04 AM

Well, that's that. The Wizards took Jermaine Taylor out of Central Florida and delt him to Houston for cash. The obvious thinking is that they have a veteran team and a 32nd pick wouldn't help them right now, so why draft him and have him stuck on the end of the bench and paying not only his salary but matching it dollar-for-dollar in a luxury tax payment?

The surprise, however, is that Pittsburgh's DeJuan Blair slid all the way to the second round and the Wizards had a chance to take him -- a move that would've met the need for an additional big body -- but didn't.

Grunfeld actually was rather humorous when speaking with the media after the 32nd pick was made, but before the trade took place.

I asked him what the thinking was and he said "I like guards. The more the better," then laughed. I asked, obviously you're gonna move the pick, right? And he admitted that "there probably will be some news in the morning." Turns out two minutes later, Grunfeld and Co. finalized their deal with Houston to snag some cash in exchange for Taylor.

The Wizards at some point this summer -- whether it's through free agency or trade -- need to address that big man deficiency. We'll see what happens ...

Smartest team in the draft: (Aside from the Clippers) Oklahoma City. Their Five of the Future is now set. Harden should be a great fit at shooting guard, and Mullens gives them the shot-blocking center they need to complement Durant, Green and Westbrook.

Dumbest team: Minnesota Timberwolves for drafting four point guards. They traded Ty Lawson away, but for a future pick. Way to have four first-rounders and not legitimately help yourself get better

this was from the wash times insiders

Posted by: anacostia85 | June 26, 2009 12:04 AM

"You are the ype of person that would have asked the Bulls to trade MJ after he kept failing early on. Why don't you first wait and see exactly what takes place this offseason. This is not the same team that will be starting the year in the fall. Just wait until all the pieces are there before you have your heart attack.

Posted by: bstroma16 | June 26, 2009 12:02 AM "

MJ was an all nba offensive and defensive player. All players on Les BouleS are either one dimensional offensive players, or young bucks who don't care.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 26, 2009 12:06 AM

Ah, so the "news in the morning" was that we sold the pick.

Awesome.

Posted by: psps23 | June 26, 2009 12:08 AM

Ah, so the "news in the morning" was that we sold the pick.

Awesome.

LOL sorry to burst the bubble but there is no master plan the emperor has no clothes yet again folks. Abe has pulled this on us for years and I am done waiting time to bail for another team I will never spend money on the Wizards/Bullets again.

Posted by: anacostia85 | June 26, 2009 12:13 AM

You are the ype of person that would have asked the Bulls to trade MJ after he kept failing early on. Why don't you first wait and see exactly what takes place this offseason. This is not the same team that will be starting the year in the fall. Just wait until all the pieces are there before you have your heart attack.

Posted by: bstroma16 | June 26, 2009 12:02 AM

No I would have applauded the Bulls for picking MJ, which is more than I can say for this organization that sold their picks b/c they were too cheap to pay them.

Why don't you judge this organization for the moves they've actaully made, and not the ones you hope they will make?

The moment Ernie makes a move to bring in a legit F/C to make this team competitive, I will sing his praises. Until then I intend to call this organization out on the shoddy job they've done over the past year to supposedly build a contender.

Posted by: p1funk | June 26, 2009 12:14 AM

"You are the ype of person that would have asked the Bulls to trade MJ after he kept failing early on. Why don't you first wait and see exactly what takes place this offseason. This is not the same team that will be starting the year in the fall. Just wait until all the pieces are there before you have your heart attack.

Posted by: bstroma16 | June 26, 2009 12:02 AM "

MJ was an all nba offensive and defensive player. All players on Les BouleS are either one dimensional offensive players, or young bucks who don't care.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 26, 2009 12:06 AM

Ok, he was a great offensive and defensive player early on, did that translate into playoff victories or championships, NOOOO!!! And the argument is not about statistics, its about advancing in the playoffs with this group. MJ did not advance early on just like this group, it does not mean that we have to give up on them b/c I am sure a lot of bulls fans regretted bad mouthing him for never advancing after he won 3 championships. Who knows if the wizards will ever do that. The point is, don't speak too early cause you never know what can happen.

Posted by: bstroma16 | June 26, 2009 12:16 AM

Kool-Aid Drinkers, please follow these steps:

1)Make excuses for Ernie Grunfled no matter what.
2)Act like the Wizards are relevant competitors in the East.
3)Turn a blind eye to all the signs indicating that this FO is a penny-pinching cash-grabbing operation that doesn't care if the Wiz are competitive as long as Gilbert is in town to throw his jersey into the stands and make you happy.

WHEN and IF Ernie deals for a veteran forward/center that will amke a difference on this team, then let's give him some kudos. Until then, keep his feet to the fire and make him accountable for the moves he's actually made, not the ones we hope he's going to make.

Posted by: p1funk

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So are you saying that the Wizards had great perimeter shooting last year?

As far as trades go, I'm not knocking EG, because he's got a solid history of making good deals.

As far as "penny-pinching" goes, the Wiz are in the middle of the pack along with the Hawks, the Heat, the Pacers, the Nuggets, the Spurs, and Detroit.

They aren't the LAC or other teams that are below $60 mill.

The Wiz. aren't the Knicks either who have the benefit of playing in the world's largest and most profitable media market.

If the Wiz had paid the Knicks money for .500 and below basketball the past few season relying on the DC market to cover payroll and overhead, the franchise would be losing cash right now.

Bottom line if you don't like the Wiz and you don't like the way the team operates -- there are plenty of other teams that will be happy to take your money.

Posted by: JPRS | June 26, 2009 12:18 AM

You are the ype of person that would have asked the Bulls to trade MJ after he kept failing early on. Why don't you first wait and see exactly what takes place this offseason. This is not the same team that will be starting the year in the fall. Just wait until all the pieces are there before you have your heart attack.

Posted by: bstroma16 | June 26, 2009 12:02 AM

No I would have applauded the Bulls for picking MJ, which is more than I can say for this organization that sold their picks b/c they were too cheap to pay them.

Why don't you judge this organization for the moves they've actaully made, and not the ones you hope they will make?

The moment Ernie makes a move to bring in a legit F/C to make this team competitive, I will sing his praises. Until then I intend to call this organization out on the shoddy job they've done over the past year to supposedly build a contender.

Posted by: p1funk | June 26, 2009 12:14 AM

You are telling me not to judge him on moves that he has not made. How about you not judge the team reagarding a season that has not even started.

Posted by: bstroma16 | June 26, 2009 12:18 AM

Ernie Grunfeld is the early front-runner for NBA Executive of the Year.

Who are you people attacking Ernie? Seriously, do you people even watch the NBA? The guy is a genius, please go away.

Posted by: Barno1 | June 25, 2009 11:59 PM


You're right. Spot on.

Ernie should get exec of the year.

He's gonna make the owner tons of cash and sell the fans fools gold.

If I were a penny-pinching money-grabbing NBA owner, i'd want him running my FO too.

Posted by: p1funk | June 26, 2009 12:19 AM

Rasheed Wallace wants to rejoin Flip Saunders. He is going to be our MLE

Posted by: dnaik | June 26, 2009 12:19 AM

How closely do you think SVG and Mark are following the Wizards, for real?

They know that Gilbert and Haywood are coming back from injuries, and so the standard line is - "The Wizards are ready to compete again and make some noise".

"Make some noise"???? WTH does that mean? That's dumb vanilla talking-head space filler. They have no clue what the Wiz are prepared to do b/c they have their eyes on 30 teams and the Wiz are at the bottom of the list.

And I hope to God Ernie see our need for front-line help. EVERYONE UNDER THE SUN SEES OUR NEED FOR FRONT-LINE HELP. I thought he would see it tonight when DaJuan Blair was staring him in the face, but I guess we have to wait for the morning when the crack wears off and Ernie is ready to do something serious to make this team competitive.

Posted by: p1funk | June 25, 2009 11:31 PM
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So two guys that eat, breath, and live basketball have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to the Wizards??? And you profess to know how much they pay attention to the Wizards? Give me a break. They know what they are talking about and they like the team that Saunders is taking over. Sorry if it does not fit into your negative perceptions of the team and/or it's recent moves. Gotta love the couch GM's!

As for Dejuan Blair, maybe EG has other plans, and, regardless, there are a lot of other teams that were not too impressed with him either. Think about it. In a universally acknowledged weak draft, Dejaun Blair fell out of the first round. Enough said.

Posted by: rphilli721 | June 26, 2009 12:20 AM

Hold it, how did you get access to Dishonest Abe's diary?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 26, 2009 12:00 AM

Yeah, bro.

It's amazing wht you see when you take off the rosy-shaded glasses. Right?

Posted by: p1funk | June 26, 2009 12:21 AM

Wilbon has his column out for 2morrow. He said we should have kept the pick and taken Rubio. He also said vets are asking him if we are moving to a 6'4 and under league. Ernie has no imagination at all. We are screwed Nellie has Amare there is no big man for the Wizards to bring in.

Posted by: anacostia85 | June 26, 2009 12:24 AM

Rasheed Wallace wants to rejoin Flip Saunders. He is going to be our MLE

Posted by: dnaik | June 26, 2009 12:19 AM
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Wallace was the main voice behind the team dissent that led to Saunders getting canned from Detroit. Don't think that is the announcement or going to happen ever.

Michael Jordan was NOT an all-NBA defender his first few years in the league. In the beginning, he was "only" an otherwordly scorer. The rest came later and led to all his championships.

Posted by: rphilli721 | June 26, 2009 12:28 AM

You're right. Spot on.

Ernie should get exec of the year.

He's gonna make the owner tons of cash and sell the fans fools gold.

If I were a penny-pinching money-grabbing NBA owner, i'd want him running my FO too.

Posted by: p1funk | June 26, 2009 12:19 AM

pfunk, you gonna come back on here and apologize to Ernie if they win 50 games and make a run in the playoffs?

didn't think so

Posted by: Barno1 | June 26, 2009 12:28 AM

So are you saying that the Wizards had great perimeter shooting last year?

As far as trades go, I'm not knocking EG, because he's got a solid history of making good deals.

As far as "penny-pinching" goes, the Wiz are in the middle of the pack along with the Hawks, the Heat, the Pacers, the Nuggets, the Spurs, and Detroit.

They aren't the LAC or other teams that are below $60 mill.

The Wiz. aren't the Knicks either who have the benefit of playing in the world's largest and most profitable media market.

If the Wiz had paid the Knicks money for .500 and below basketball the past few season relying on the DC market to cover payroll and overhead, the franchise would be losing cash right now.

Bottom line if you don't like the Wiz and you don't like the way the team operates -- there are plenty of other teams that will be happy to take your money.

Posted by: JPRS | June 26, 2009 12:18 AM


Puhhhlease. The Wiz sucked at perimeter shooting last year...but I'm going to go out on a limb and attribute that to not having Gilbert in the lineup. Is that a radical thought? Or maybe we sucked b/c we desperately need Mike Miller? i don't know, which one is it?????!?!?!?!?!?

As far as Ernie's "good deals" I'm thinking he breaks even. He brought Caron into town for Kwame. He brought AJ into town (of course Devin Harris is a GREAT guard, and we seem to be guard-happy right now). But then he picked Pech, and signed Etan and Songaila to some deals that runed into dead weight. Then he gave $111 mill to someone on crutches that had 2 knee surgeries.

And I'm not a business exec, so I don't know what to tell you about the Wizards operating costs. All I know is that Abe Pollin is a multi-millionaire who watches the luxury tax like it's the difference between feeding his family or not. I know that Ernie keeps telling me we're serious about "competing" yet we have 9 guards/SFs on the roster and one of the weakest 4-5 rotations in the league.

Bottom line: I WANT to root for the Wiz, b/c I'm from the DC area and have lived here my whole life. I think the way they are being run sucks, so I'm voicing my opinion on a public blog.

Posted by: p1funk | June 26, 2009 12:30 AM

"Ok, he was a great offensive and defensive player early on, did that translate into playoff victories or championships, NOOOO!!! And the argument is not about statistics, its about advancing in the playoffs with this group. MJ did not advance early on just like this group, it does not mean that we have to give up on them b/c I am sure a lot of bulls fans regretted bad mouthing him for never advancing after he won 3 championships. Who knows if the wizards will ever do that. The point is, don't speak too early cause you never know what can happen.

Posted by: bstroma16 | June 26, 2009 12:16 AM "

MJ had no pieces around him early on.

Gilby has 2 all stars to play with and still can't get out of the 1st round!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 26, 2009 12:32 AM

Why draft another guard, is that what Wizards need more guards?

Maybe emulating Minnesota with 7 guards?

Posted by: rickgonz | June 26, 2009 12:33 AM

You are telling me not to judge him on moves that he has not made. How about you not judge the team reagarding a season that has not even started.

Posted by: bstroma16 | June 26, 2009 12:18 AM

I'm juding the moves he's made. How will they pan out, We'll see? Like I said already: I hope I'm wrong, but I'd rather be honest.

Am I making such a huge leap by saying that the roster - as it currently stands - isn't going to win the NBA Championship???

Do you think it will?

Posted by: p1funk | June 26, 2009 12:34 AM

I'm sure we tried to trade the 32 pick for something substantial but there was nothing out there. I was wondering why Blair was falling so much and I was unaware of his knee problems. And that was pretty much the only legit big left. Derrick Brown would have been nice but he is an unpolished athlete at SF. We are in win now mode, and absolutely are not looking for a waste of roster spots.

Posted by: arenasmvp | June 26, 2009 12:36 AM

They did good job in the first round because Evans was gone before the Wizards would have picked. Rubio clearly is not 1st round talent so I'm glad they were not in position to make that foolish move. I thought they would have snatched Blair. As of right now the wizards will not get me to buy a ticket again this season just like last season I turned down free tickets. I may catch them on TV.

Posted by: bonggong | June 26, 2009 12:36 AM

"Why draft another guard, is that what Wizards need more guards?

Maybe emulating Minnesota with 7 guards?

Posted by: rickgonz | June 26, 2009 12:33 AM "

Small ball gets smaller.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 26, 2009 12:37 AM

Even though I don't agree with everything he has done, I have pretty consistently defended Ernie against people who say he is a moron (esp. those with a tendency to use all caps). It's tough though to see the talent available at the top of the second and pass on all of it. Blair, Young, Summers, etc. Even Danny Green. I thought the Cavs got a steal there. I hope there actually is something coming in the morning that will make me feel better about it.

I frankly don't care that Rubio dropped to 5 and we missed him. In 3 years he may be one of the best pure points in the league (a big, big maybe, and I'm not sold on him), but the time for this team is now. I also like Foye and Miller. Is Foye as good as Roy? No. But that doesn't really matter. He's a good fit as a 3rd guard for this team. We traded 2 also-rans, 1 solid but limited player and a maybe for 2 proven NBA players. We're deeper now than we were. We obviously need more frontline help. Hopefully that's what's coming in the morning.

And Kalo, I have to disagree with you about rebounding and about Blair. Jumping is great, being tall always helps, but the two of the best rebounders, Rodman and Bill Russell maintain that it is most important to know where the ball is going to go. Rodman had a freakish ability to jump repeatedly, but he certainly wasn't tall (6' 6") and didn't play above the rim. His best ability was to be able to determine where the ball was going to go and then get there.

Blair has standing reach of 8'10.5" and a 33" vertical, which puts him in about the same class as most every other big guy in this class. At 275, he is going to be able to get and hold his position. More importantly, rebounding is about hard work and desire. There have been a ton of guys who are tall and can jump and can't get a rebound to save their lives. What is generally true is that if you can rebound at a high level in college (especially in a big-time conference) than you can generally board in the pros. Time will tell, unfortunately it will tell for San Antonio.

Posted by: ts35 | June 26, 2009 12:37 AM

I'm with you Barno1. There are a lot of people in here that are going to eat crow, but never admit to their impulsive and wrong assertions.

I seriously doubt the "announcement" that EG was alluding to was the trade for cash. He knew that was coming out tonight as all the other trades that were made tonight were. He is not new to this. Maybe I'm wrong on this, but I doubt it. Regardless, he will address the frontline depth at some point this offseason and I won't be surprised if it's by tomorrow morning.

Posted by: rphilli721 | June 26, 2009 12:38 AM

You're right. Spot on.

Ernie should get exec of the year.

He's gonna make the owner tons of cash and sell the fans fools gold.

If I were a penny-pinching money-grabbing NBA owner, i'd want him running my FO too.

Posted by: p1funk | June 26, 2009 12:19 AM

pfunk, you gonna come back on here and apologize to Ernie if they win 50 games and make a run in the playoffs?

didn't think so

Posted by: Barno1 | June 26, 2009 12:28 AM


Barno,
I said I'd come up here and sing Ernie's praises if he'd simply make a move to get a legit F/C...that's all he has to do to win me over. If' he'd picked Blair, I would have written a poem in iambic pentameter confessing my love for him.

As far as 50 wins - I don't care about that. Do you think fans in Cleveland really care that they won 66 games this past year???

I'm sure this team can win a bunch of games and get to the playoffs. I'm concerned about their playoff "run". Where do you see it going, honestly? Past the second round???

Posted by: p1funk | June 26, 2009 12:38 AM

Ricky Rubio may throw some no-look passes, but Randy Foye could beat him in a jump-shooting contest without any trouble. I think we're better off with Foye and Mike Miller.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | June 26, 2009 12:40 AM

My mistake, I wasn't following the news. So Minnesota traded Calathes to Dallas and Wizards traded Taylor to Houston for cash. Makes a little sense, but not much, still no new PF.

Posted by: rickgonz | June 26, 2009 12:40 AM

"Ricky Rubio may throw some no-look passes, but Randy Foye could beat him in a jump-shooting contest without any trouble. I think we're better off with Foye and Mike Miller.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | June 26, 2009 12:40 AM "

Unfortunately, Les BouleS need more of those who can pass, rather than those who can shoot, in the guard position.

I think if Les BouleS drafted Rubio, were able to close out his situation with his former team and get him NBA cleared, he would hold even more value for future trades.

It's all moot now.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 26, 2009 12:43 AM

Time will tell, unfortunately it will tell for San Antonio.

Posted by: ts35 | June 26, 2009 12:37 AM

Word.

Wes Unseld. Charles Barkley. All under-sized guys with heart, tenacity and a low center of gravity to hold their position in the paint.

Blair ate Thabeet alive when they squared off. He moved him, threw him, hurt him.

Popovich is no dummy. If Blair was such a waste he'd have passed on him.

IMO, time will show that we were foolish for passing on him...

Posted by: p1funk | June 26, 2009 12:44 AM

Ricky Rubio may throw some no-look passes, but Randy Foye could beat him in a jump-shooting contest without any trouble. I think we're better off with Foye and Mike Miller.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | June 26, 2009 12:40 AM

Yeah...with Arenas, Bulter, Jamison and Young on the roster, we were really needy for more jump shooters, eh?

Posted by: p1funk | June 26, 2009 12:47 AM

You guys criticize abe for being a penny pincher, but he is actually doing the exact opposite here. He would have paid blair much less than any veteran they get.
And as for ernie, a lot of us praised him for finding gems in the 2nd rd so there had to be something there that ernie and a lot of the other teams that studied him closely did not like. I mean in a very weak draft, he fell out of the 1st rd, that says something. and we already have an energy guy off the bench to get us rebounds in mcguire and mcgee. we just dont have that toughness.

Posted by: DCsports1 | June 26, 2009 12:52 AM

Since when did Rubio become the second coming of Magic Johnson? I think he is getting way over-hyped particularly in this thread due to the overall weak nature of this draft. Very few of us if any can profess to know much about him other than what has been told to us by the media.

That being said, I've heard that he has no outside shot, lacks athleticism, and is rail thin, which means he is 3/4 years away from being a real impact player. We have about a 3 year window to win with this group so he is not a great fit for us whatsoever. Plus, his agent stated he did not want to play for us.

Posted by: rphilli721 | June 26, 2009 12:59 AM

I'm sure this team can win a bunch of games and get to the playoffs. I'm concerned about their playoff "run". Where do you see it going, honestly? Past the second round???

Posted by: p1funk | June 26, 2009 12:38 AM

I think the Wizards will at the very least make it to the 2nd round this year, which I think every real Wizards fan would take and be happy. However, I think if Boston falters--which is a real possibility--there is a legitimate opportunity for the Wiz to get to the Eastern Conference finals next year and NBA finals a year later--if the core of this team remains intact.

We are currently the deepest team in the NBA with one of the top 10 coaches, statistically, of all time now coaching us. All of our core players are still in their prime or entering their prime (and yes, I'm including Jamison in that group after the season he just had).

Look for the Wiz to win 50+ and get home court advantage at least through the first round and possibly more.

Posted by: Barno1 | June 26, 2009 1:03 AM

The kid is 18 years old... young kids don't win squat in the nba... I'm tired of waiting.. Lets win some games!

We got some bad contracts off the books... who cares how good Rubio is 5 years from now... as far as I'm concerned he is a prima donna who wants to pick where he plays kinda like Stevie non-franchise was when picked by Vancouver... We got valuable pieces if a future trade is necessary, because Etan & Pech have absolutely no trade deadline value.

Posted by: tony325 | June 26, 2009 1:05 AM

"And Kalo, I have to disagree with you about rebounding and about Blair. Jumping is great, being tall always helps, but the two of the best rebounders, Rodman and Bill Russell maintain that it is most important to know where the ball is going to go."

And once you know where the ball is going you need to be able to get there before the other guy. Russell was a very good size for a big man in his day. Rodman was (A) taller than 6' 6" and (B) incredibly athletic, able to tap the ball to himself when he couldn't grab it outright, thanks to his quick jumping ability. He could go up two or three times before the other guy got off the floor one. Both of them were very mobile and nimble. None of that in any way applies to Blair, who is a bruiser with limited explosion and a a few dozen pounds of extra weight on his undersized body.

NBA history is full of undersized college power players who came in for a rude awakening upon joining the pros. Blair will be the next in line. I'm not saying he won't be able to play and compete. But anyone expecting him to be any kind of real force on the boards at his size among the NBA trees is fooling themselves.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 26, 2009 1:07 AM

It is funny how this city is so negative about moves that are made. Other than Griffin & Thabeet, all other players in 2009 NBA Draft are very weak. The Wizard organiztion is not good at developing young players. Period. I am glad they stuck with what u know. I think Rubio would struggle with the Wiz. We got better with the trade. After Gil, James and Crit are turnover prone and weak in attacking defenses. Roye is a huge update grade from what we had. Miller adds depth. We still need bigs. After last year, with a new coach, the Wiz can't afford to start slow. The Wizards will be fine (NO Injuries, of course).

Posted by: sean_mac | June 26, 2009 1:08 AM

Barno,
I said I'd come up here and sing Ernie's praises if he'd simply make a move to get a legit F/C...that's all he has to do to win me over. If' he'd picked Blair, I would have written a poem in iambic pentameter confessing my love for him.

As far as 50 wins - I don't care about that. Do you think fans in Cleveland really care that they won 66 games this past year???

I'm sure this team can win a bunch of games and get to the playoffs. I'm concerned about their playoff "run". Where do you see it going, honestly? Past the second round???

Posted by: p1funk | June 26, 2009 12:38 AM
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So your implying that drafting Dejuan Blair was going to change the fortunes of the whole franchise or turn a very solid playoff team in to a contender? Or change the fortunes of a playoff "run"? Give me a break.

And when is the last time a team came out of nowhere to win an NBA title? Doesn't happen. You start with solid playoff runs and then get the final pieces to put you over the top as Cleveland is trying to do now. And, when you show the league you can be a contender, that is when those final solid role players want to come to your team to push you over the top sometimes at a discount. So, yeah, I'm sure Cleveland was happy with their season and/or should be bc it's all part of the process of winning the championship.

Posted by: rphilli721 | June 26, 2009 1:14 AM

for those of you thinking the team is going to make a big splash by obtaining a big man during the offseason, you might want to think again. i looked at the list, and the unrestricted free agents include lamar odom, trevor ariza, carlos boozer, mehmet okur, rasheed wallace, antonio mcdyess and a whole bunch of little else, including chris wilcox, joe smith, juwan howard... know what i mean? all of those named might help us, but if we wanted any of the cream, we'd have to buy ANOTHER big contract, cuz, let's face it: who good player wants to come HERE for anything other than the money? the various knees are too iffy a proposition, not mention that this has been and still is a dysfuntional organization. until we fix that, we deserve what we're getting.

Posted by: dcjazzman | June 26, 2009 1:19 AM

"The kid is 18 years old... young kids don't win squat in the nba... I'm tired of waiting.. Lets win some games!

We got some bad contracts off the books... who cares how good Rubio is 5 years from now... as far as I'm concerned he is a prima donna who wants to pick where he plays kinda like Stevie non-franchise was when picked by Vancouver... We got valuable pieces if a future trade is necessary, because Etan & Pech have absolutely no trade deadline value.

Posted by: tony325 | June 26, 2009 1:05 AM "

RR is a kid who's been playing international ball since he was 14, and was on his country's olympic team.

He wasn't playing in some stupid And1 league, or summer ball at Barry Farms on 9 ft rims.

If you're annoyed by prima donnas....don't worry about other prima donnas besides the one you already have in town....namely Gilby.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 26, 2009 1:25 AM

Does trading the second pick give us some additional funds to sign a free agent post player? I am trying to figure out what Ernie has in mind for his next move. He seemed to be really pleased with himself after the trade.

http://www.comcastsportsnet.tv/pages/videoswizards

I can see why people are upset about not getting Blair. He seemed to be a rugged rebounder who if he could play a little d would seem ideal for the last big man role. Especially on a rookie contract.
Here are some guys we could look to sign. Hopefully in this market someone good will be excited about an exemption.
Zaza Pachulia - Energy guy offensive rebounder decent defender.
Joe Smith, Anderson Varejao - Just cause I hate the cavs love to steal an important player.
Brandon Bass - Serviceable
Chris Andersen - Blocks shots good rebounder Energy Guy
Antonio McDyess, Rasheed Wallace - Veteran bigs do they still have enough in the tank. Maybe flip could help get them. Wouldn't want either going to cleveland.

Posted by: AWizinLA | June 26, 2009 1:32 AM

what's a slope?

Posted by: HughGRection | June 26, 2009 1:36 AM

"Rodman was (A) taller than 6' 6" and (B) incredibly athletic, able to tap the ball to himself when he couldn't grab it outright, thanks to his quick jumping ability."

Go back and look at Bulls' games from the Jordan / Rodman / Pippen era and you will see that they are all about the same height, as in within an inch of each other. Blair is listed at 6'7" which I believe you said is 'media guide speak' for 6'5". Rodman is listed at 6'8".....

Yes there are freakish athletes who do well rebounding....Rodman was one, Marion another, there are also pluggers who do well, like Unseld. There's more than one way to skin a cat. After Howard this year, the next best rebounder was freakish athlete Troy Murphy.

There are indeed tons of 'undersized' players who fail to board in the pros. There are just as many, if not more, very athletic, very tall PFs and Cs who get drafted and can't rebound either. Rebounders don't come in a particular shape or size. Leaping ability helps, so does strength and girth. And timing. And doing crazy things like boxing out. Moreover, his wingspan and his vertical put him pretty squarely in the ball park as most of the rest of the big men. Easy to compare him to last year's pick of Kevin Love. Similar perceived athleticism issues, similar vertical, similar reach. Love held his own at 9 boards a game.

Not saying he's the second coming of Wes, or going to be an All-Star or average 13 rbs a game. A lot will clearly depend on his knees. The jury is at best still out. Point being, it's not fair or accurate to immediately dismiss Blair as a rebounder based solely on height or perceived athletic ability.

Posted by: ts35 | June 26, 2009 3:11 AM

yOU guys need to step back from the ledge. I don't have a crystal ball, but here's where I think we end up: We will sign a veteran free agent center; we will trade for a younger big man; and we will bring in a slew of unsigned big men who will be as good as dejuan Blair, but without the exposure. James and/or Stevenson will be gone, though I don't think anyone would take Stevenson with his back history. This team is built for a two-year run. By next year we will know if it's time to trade Antawn, Caron or Gilbert for a slew of draft picks and the future Ricky Rubios, DeJuan Blairs, et. al. If we didn't have a stable of 5 under 23 year-olds, I'd be more worried about the future. But the ones we have, if we get the 3 big men, will be playoff tested when the time comes for them to step in. But Foye, Crittendon, Miller, Stevenson can come in with no drop-off in intensity and get you playoff grit. Let's see how this plays out. And I agree that Ernie makes MJ and Unseld look like the amateurs they were. I am happy we have Ernie and he does not deserve to be spat on like this.

Posted by: YoCaps | June 26, 2009 4:14 AM

Also: what we need is not a 19 year-old playmaker, but some outside shooting to bring balance and fear into our offense. Plus, we got a replacement for Gilbert, or a veteran who can push Arenas over to the shooting guard spot when needed, or step in if Arenas is injured. The money we get for Blair pays for a free agent and an unsigned free agent, providing immediate help and future help. A trade will bring in another big man. This is why the 32nd pick for cash will help more.

Posted by: YoCaps | June 26, 2009 4:20 AM

i think the lakers won a championship BEFORE they traded their pick. the wiz trade all their picks and say they are competing for a championship. the lakers have to sign back ariza, a contributor on a championship team. we're trippin over butler, a sf with diminishing skills and haywood a barely avg nba cennter.

Stop bringing uo the lakers trading their pick. they won it all! they get a pass

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 26, 2009 6:45 AM

Ernie should have been fired with Eddie Jordan!!!!

I didn't mind the trade at 1st but since Rubio fell to 5 we once again look stupid. Rubio is going to be a stud. Then we let Dujuan Blair go for cash. Unbelievable typical wiz/ernie BS!!!!!!!! A hard nosed rebounding banger falls to us and we take cash instead. Watch him help the spurs back to at least the western conference finals. Moves like these are what make the Spurs so good, and the wizards a complete joke in the league.

Posted by: beas13 | June 26, 2009 6:49 AM

guys, the proof is in the pudding!
minny wanted rubio, we were in their way, and had we held onto the pick untli it was our turn to draft, i think we coulda gotten more in return for our trade. we showed our hand too early.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 26, 2009 7:23 AM

if we'd have drafted rubio at 5 and blair at 32 we'd have been the talk of the draft and a positive story in the offseason. but judging by the polar opposite viewpoints spread amongst contributors, i have to think that our "no brainer" trade will now be viewed with more skepticism and negativity. we coulda made a splash instead i see a first round exit at best. if i am being shortsighted and the wiz ball out this year like conf finals i'll give them their props for ballin out, and i'll give ern and abe their props, but i don't know anyone who thinks this team is a serious contender.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 26, 2009 7:35 AM

"With Rubio and Curry available at 5, I absolutely think we could have made a trade w/ the Wolves or Knicks (2 teams we were already dealing with) and walked away with a MUCH better deal than the one we got."

It's possible, but far from a sure thing. The Wolves gave up an NBA starting backcourt for Darius Songaila and the pick. The Wiz got to unload three contracts. That's a very favorable equation.

The bloviators are obsessing about Richard Jefferson, Vince Carter, and Shaq, but that's because they went to top contenders. In terms of impact on team performance, Washington's acquisitions could equal or surpass those others.

Especially Cleveland. I'm not sure I see them as improved because of Shaq. They were remarkably strong all the way up to that catastrophe against Orlando. Now they've had a chance to watch the Lakers handle the Magic, you can bet their defensive strategy will change.

The Wiz brought a bunch of guards in for tryouts and claimed they liked the lot. But they didn't hesitate to trade right out of the first round. What does that tell us about how they (including Saunders) felt about this draft class?

The fans in Minnesota, meanwhile, are shaking their heads at the apparent idiocy of their new team management. Rubio and Flynn together? Why? At least we understand the Wolves refusal to include the 18th pick in the Washington trade -- they already had a partner for it.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 26, 2009 7:35 AM

While neither one would have provided an immediate impact, by passing on DaJuan Blair and Sam Young, you have to figure that EG has something planned for a front line addition. At least I sure hope so. Camby or Kamen works, as would Tyson Chandler who is on the block but not a great fit for a trade. Forget Stoudemire as it is unrealistic.

Anyway, contrary to the belief of many on this blog, EG is not an idiot. Maybe some "shaky" decisions at times, like picking Pesh or selling the #2 pick, but not out of touch with the reality of the roster imbalance. He knows what is needed and has plenty of time to make the move.

Posted by: rocky123 | June 26, 2009 7:37 AM

People you can either hate me or love me but one thing you have to finally do is give me my props...here was my post long before the draft even started..

Mike,

Last years 5th pick (Kevin Love) made $3.1 million and the Wizards according to EG...might get out of the 2nd round altogether. Does that mean they sell their pick for cash like last year?

Why would anyone have the perception that Wizards owner Abe Pollin is "cheap"

By Michael Lee | June 25, 2009; 10:15 AM ET

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 25, 2009 12:40 PM

I know by the reaction of last nights posts (which some of you who got personal with the name calling was unacceptable) some of you are starting to agree with me on how Abe runs this team. The moves last night shows you he does not care about winning a championship.

People it's just a stupid game where players get over paid to do what they love. The only way to change things is to quit going to the games and bring back the 70's where people understood what was really important: that sports is just something you watched when you had the time and it wasn't our life.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 26, 2009 7:38 AM

At least we understand the Wolves refusal to include the 18th pick in the Washington trade -- they already had a partner for it.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 26, 2009 7:35 AM

The Wizards didn't want a first round pick...they would have had to pay some big bucks to sign a player that high.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 26, 2009 7:41 AM

Off to the Harley shop to get an oil change can't wait to get home to hear what big news Ernie has for us today.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 26, 2009 7:45 AM

Too much negatives in the trade.I do not understand the reason, may be these negatives are not coming from the real wiz fans. The wiz are trying to be compitative in the east, they are not trying to dominate like cavs. and orlando.Keeping all mistakes that have been done for the last several years, this trade is the best.They put two role players that could fit the system.One can not make washington a defenssive team in a single season with out changing the core.One should not trade for a defenssive specialist and ask him to do everything for the team, he can not do it if others are not helping him. mike miller is going to have his best season in washington, he is going to improve his shooting %.Let me take you to the wiz team that pass the second round in playoff history against chicago. when the ball was out of the hands of AJ,LH or GA every body was sure that either it should be back to the big three or it could be a turnover or bad shoot.Now that is not the case.BH is demanding the ball, Arenas is arenas,butler and AJ are creatives on the offense, we have now miller and foye with NY and even blache, to me it is an exiting season.If we face a taff defense or out side shoots are not falling we have foye,arenas and NY to drive the ball, we have DM,butler,arenas and miller to pass it to open man.I think in paper it is an excellent roster with the famous coache we have i expect 50 wins in the coming season and a possiblity to pass the second round.If this summer give them a veteran PF/C that could take the majority of the minutes after AJ and /or BH in play off, it is going to be clear that they have the noise in the eastern confrence final.

Posted by: gtefferra | June 26, 2009 8:00 AM

EG is going to wait and see what's left after everyone is done signing free agents this summer. With so many teams looking to cut payroll this year, we have a chance to find someone decent for next to nothing. We don't need much-- with a little luck, all we need is a fifth big man to play in garbage time. Hey, I'm sure we could sign Michael Ruffin to a veteran's minimum contract.

The trading deadline in February is when EG will make his big move using our expiring contracts.

Posted by: yop32 | June 26, 2009 8:15 AM

Ernie should have been fired with Eddie Jordan!!!!

I didn't mind the trade at 1st but since Rubio fell to 5 we once again look stupid. Rubio is going to be a stud. Then we let Dujuan Blair go for cash. Unbelievable typical wiz/ernie BS!!!!!!!!
Posted by: beas13 | June 26, 2009 6:49 AM
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Huh? By your logic, Ernie would have alot of company in the unemployment line. For a start, there's the GMs of Memphis, OKC and Sacramento for passing on Rubio, allowing him to slip to 5. Then there's the twenty or so GMs who let Dejuan Blair slip from where he was projected as #15 in the first round to where he was finally picked.
It's always so easy to elevate the capabilities of the unproven draftee to NBA All-Star status before they even get to camp! At this point, from what Foye has demonstrated actually playing in the league, I'd rather him than anyone in this draft except Griffin.

Posted by: phil27 | June 26, 2009 8:35 AM

bulletsfan78: The Wizards didn't want a first round pick...they would have had to pay some big bucks to sign a player that high."

Grunfeld said on the radio they did seek it, but were turned down by the Wolves.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 26, 2009 8:44 AM

Rubio - As trade bait post-draft.

Posted by: Hawaiiexpat | June 26, 2009 8:46 AM

bulletsfan78: "People you can either hate me or love me but one thing you have to finally do is give me my props...here was my post long before the draft even started.."

maybe it's just me, but I read the post that followed and I can't understand your point, let alone agree or disagree with it.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 26, 2009 8:47 AM

Mike Lee needs to step his game up!

No posts at all since 8pm last night???

Not a single post on who we might target with the 2nd round pick.

Not a single post breaking the news that we were selling the rights to Taylor to Houston.

Not a single post on Miller and Foye at the draft party last night.

Nothing at all. That's disappointing. I kept checking back through the night last night and couldn't believe that there were no new posts, especially on one of the biggest days of the year for his blog.

Posted by: DMoney28 | June 26, 2009 8:50 AM

Potentially Stupid Question:

Isn't it true that Rubio doesn't have to play in the NBA next year? can't he just go back to his team in spain if he doesn't like the team that drafted him and try again next year? I'm hearing he wanted to go to LA or Sacramento, and was scoffing at the idea of playing for a "cold weather team."

It was obvious that he didn't want to come here, couldn't he have just gone back to spain if we took him? Then where would we be at?

Posted by: VTDuffman | June 26, 2009 8:54 AM

Huh? By your logic, Ernie would have alot of company in the unemployment line. For a start, there's the GMs of Memphis, OKC and Sacramento for passing on Rubio, allowing him to slip to 5. Then there's the twenty or so GMs who let Dejuan Blair slip from where he was projected as #15 in the first round to where he was finally picked.
It's always so easy to elevate the capabilities of the unproven draftee to NBA All-Star status before they even get to camp! At this point, from what Foye has demonstrated actually playing in the league, I'd rather him than anyone in this draft except Griffin.

Posted by: phil27 | June 26, 2009 8:35 AM


Grunfeld has crippled this team with the moves he has made in the past(gilly) and if he had waited to see who fell to 5 we could have gotten way more for the pick. As for other teams they don't all have the same needs as us. Passing on Blair and not waiting to see if Rubio fell was moronic to say the least.

Posted by: beas13 | June 26, 2009 8:54 AM

I do think Foye would have been a top 5 pick in this draft but still should have waited to see who was there. We made the move to early. We played it safe instead of taking a chance. We could have gotten more from Minn/NYC or probably other teams if we had known Rubio was still going to be on the board. Also Dujuan Blair was exactly what this team has needed for the past 5 seasons.

Posted by: beas13 | June 26, 2009 8:59 AM

hollywood: "if we'd have drafted rubio at 5 and blair at 32 we'd have been the talk of the draft and a positive story in the offseason."

Maybe, but it would have been meaningless. The way you get positive comments from the media and the fanz is to draft somebody with a big rep, preferably a player who's been on TV and in the NCAA tournament or the Olympics. Better still if the various draft sites and publications picked that player going higher so it looks like he 'fell' to your team. And if you happen to make somebody like Jay Bilas right (meaning he called your pick correctly before the draft), that's all the better.

The other course is to trade your top pick for some current pro with a high profile: a Shaq or Vince or (at the least) a Richard Jefferson. You can be sure you'll get an 'A' rating from the media the morning after the draft.

But from a basketball standpoint, such encomiums don't amount to much. If this draft is as weak as most NBA GMs think, for example, then trading up to get a second Top Ten choice (as Minnesota did) makes no sense. Even if one pans out, the odds say the other won't. Or San Antonio taking somebody like DaJuan Blair - did they know something the rest of the League didn't? Or did they just figure a talented guy with bad knees was worth a measly second-round draft choice?

A number of teams grabbed foreign players who won't show up in the US for at least two seasons, if at all. You see how well that worked out for Pecherov. The Lakers just sold the damn pick. What does that tell you?

I have no idea how Randy Foye or Mike Miller will perform for the Wiz, but I can't imagine they won't contribute more next year than Ricky, Jonny, or Jordan would have. Plus Etan and Pech get a chance to play somewhere else, on somebody else's dime.

Songaila I'll miss, he's a soldier, but at least we won't have to read about his PER. There's still Stevenson and Mike James to deal with.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 26, 2009 9:04 AM

Anyway just look at Ernie's track record he is a subpar GM. He overpaid for players in NYC, the bucks, and the wizards. Also the knicks and Bucks have been at the bottom of the league since he ruined their teams and left. I'm sure he will leave the wizards the same way. I can't wait til he is gone.

Posted by: beas13 | June 26, 2009 9:04 AM

@ VTDuff

Kahn, Minn's GM said that Rubio will be spending at least 1 year or two in Spain due to contract issues. Fegan (Rubio's agent) talked to Kahn just before the selection was made. Heard it on Mike & Mike around 8:30 AM.

Soooo, had Wash drafted Rubio, he wouldn't be on the roster for a year or two. That, coupled with the statement that Fegan didn't want Rubio in the same backcourt as Arenas... Makes the Foye trade that much better...

Posted by: -CN- | June 26, 2009 9:05 AM

maybe it's just me, but I read the post that followed and I can't understand your point, let alone agree or disagree with it.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 26, 2009 8:47 AM

People on here get on me because I call ABE cheap and I think last night proved my point, since I predicted he was going to sell the 2nd round pick for Ca$h.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 26, 2009 9:05 AM

Think about it. If Ernie stayed put with his picks, he could have had Ricky Rubio and DeJuan Blair.
Would you rather have those two guys or Foye & Miller?

Me thinks this quesiton will haunt Ernie the day he gets canned in DC.

Posted by: elfreako | June 26, 2009 9:08 AM

We could have gotten more from Minn/NYC or probably other teams if we had known Rubio was still going to be on the board.

Posted by: beas13 | June 26, 2009 8:59 AM

We could have pulled a Kobe and drafted him and then traded his rights the way the old Charlotte Hornets did?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 26, 2009 9:09 AM

"Isn't it true that Rubio doesn't have to play in the NBA next year? can't he just go back to his team in spain if he doesn't like the team that drafted him and try again next year? I'm hearing he wanted to go to LA or Sacramento, and was scoffing at the idea of playing for a "cold weather team."
It was obvious that he didn't want to come here, couldn't he have just gone back to spain if we took him? Then where would we be at?Posted by: VTDuffman"

He could have stayed in Spain, that's correct. I think he would have wanted to play in Washington, being an international city. Minnesota took a big risk, not only by drafting him but by worrying his handlers with the Flynn pick. Not impossible the Wolves have trouble signing him and wind up trading his rights to another club, probably the Knicks.

This whole thing with the PG dilemma -- call my crazy (I know you will), but Jonny Flynn doesn't seem like a traditional PG to me -- he's more like Gilbert, a scorer and ball handler who can't defend bigger shooting guards. Why couldn't Ricky take the off-guard on defense? He's certainly adept enough, if not all that quick. And he's terrific at stealing the ball.

Rubio gets compared to Maravich, but they've got little in common. Skill-wise, he reminds me more of the young Jason Kidd. Not as strong, of course, but Jason couldn't shoot, either.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 26, 2009 9:14 AM

"The Spurs always seem to find a way to make a little into a lot. With no first-round picks they were still able to come away with some terrific players.

Blair, if his knees stay sturdy, is the steal of the draft."-Chad Ford

This is what I'm talking about. It's moves like this that makes teams like the Spurs so good and the wizards look like cheap jokes. If blair sucks cut him and you don't lose a cent.

Posted by: beas13 | June 26, 2009 9:16 AM

Wilbon's basketball acumen or Grunfeld and Saunders'? Um, I'm going with EG and the coach on this one. It doesn't appear that Wilbon has been paying much attention to the details regarding the home team's situation. His column seems half-baked this morning. Anyway, I presume he will publish a retraction when the Wizards' moves bring success and when Rubio doesn't make the big splash in the NBA that those on the entertainment side of things project. Miller and Foye are two fine players who bring a lot to this team. Granted, we still need another big but he's coming, just you wait.

Posted by: 7snider7 | June 26, 2009 9:32 AM

And when is the last time a team came out of nowhere to win an NBA title?

Boston, last year.

The trade doesnot redefine our team like Boston did two years ago, but good health does and we match up as well with these moves to the East's best.

I can't see what there is not to like in the fit of Miller on our team. Orlando was probably scratching the playoffs without Turk. He works as a long play maker and facilitator that fits in when needed, is not afraid of the clutch shot... When Miller played in Memphis all of this applied. Slotted in between our potent scoring options CB and AJ at the least makes us very fun to watch.I would not trade either for Lewis and we have both! Miller can produce himself but will also create better opportunities for our stars.

Gilbert coming back is better than Vince Carter arriving with no Gilbert.

We are as good right now as the team that made it to the finals + Carter. Haywood historically keeps Howard in check...

Foye has more size, quickness and potential than Nelson.

We just need a side of beef to knock folk around and Championship is not that far of a reach.

Posted by: yankeevicar | June 26, 2009 9:36 AM

Or San Antonio taking somebody like DaJuan Blair - did they know something the rest of the League didn't

Samson151,

i think they always seem to make an unconventional move that makes their team better (ie manu, parker,horry ) they don't always make the sexy pick, but ususally it's a good pick. blair can be a maxiell type of player off the bench. we missed on him. come back torealtiy and say it. when criticizing thabeet people always referred to how blair ate his luch in head to head matchups.if thabeet is a no 2 prospect in the nba then blair should be able to fit in with a 19 win team.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 26, 2009 9:36 AM

"The Spurs always seem to find a way to make a little into a lot. With no first-round picks they were still able to come away with some terrific players.

Blair, if his knees stay sturdy, is the steal of the draft."-Chad Ford

This is what I'm talking about. It's moves like this that makes teams like the Spurs so good and the wizards look like cheap jokes. If blair sucks cut him and you don't lose a cent.

Posted by: beas13 | June 26, 2009 9:16 AM

that's what i'm talkin bout samson. enough people feel this way to make it a very depressing offseason for wizfans. just like the skins, with their offseason acquisitions and draft decisions, the wiz are gonna be judged on those decisions until the games are played. a lot of folks think we coulda cone much better.


or maybe it just bothers me cuz i'm a wiz fan. i think ananlysts and radio guys know the wiz were being cheap they just don't care cuz the wiz isn't their team.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 26, 2009 9:44 AM

This is a no contest poll. The Wiz got immediate help and dumped some expensive dead weight. I kind of wish they had picked up DeJuan Blair being that he was available when they made their second pick. Possible a huge blunder on the part of the Wiz and a lot of teams. Obviously they still have to be looking to make another trade. We have too many sg/sf type players on our roster and we need another big man terribly.

Posted by: MaxnDC | June 26, 2009 10:02 AM

Rubio will be a superstar in the league for 11-12 years and is fun to watch. As a season ticket holder, how great to see his passing night after night as opposed to what is likely to happen. Arenas will get injured, Foye is good but a steady, unexciting player, Jamison or Butler will be injured as always, and the team will suck to watch once again. I thought we got miller to get Stoudamire but now that is dead. I think the Wizards bad luck or stupidity has come through again.

Posted by: bugfun1 | June 26, 2009 10:11 AM

It's stupid to say we were too cheap to pick a 2nd rounder -- by definition, a 2nd round pick is about as cheap as you can get in this league.

I'm scratching my head about DaJuan Blair too - it obviously means there's another trade or 2 in the works, but why not take a gamble on him -- but the $200k Blair would make next year doesn't factor into the discussion.

Posted by: mik_smith1 | June 26, 2009 10:26 AM

I agree that we need to add another big.

I am just curious as to how much progress JaVale hasmade/is making this offseason. Had he been in this years draft, he would have been a top 3 pick. If he beefs up like he claims to be doing and the games clicks in his head, then we have an allstar PF/C for the next 10 years. Its a big "if." Think Jermaine Oneal after his third year (which is where McGee should be now).

It would be great if Blatche finally comes around, too, but I have less hope for him.

A healthy Wiz team last year would have been at least a 40 win team. Another year of improvement for NY, Critt and JaVale improves that team. Adding Foye and Miller improves it even more.

If we can get a decent 4/5 to add 10 & 6 and play 20 minutes, we are even stronger.

I'm calling 50-55 wins next season, assuming we can stay moderately healthy and we can pick up a nice 2nd stringer Big to help cover the innevitable injuries.

Posted by: Blurred | June 26, 2009 10:32 AM

"Songaila I'll miss, he's a soldier, but at least we won't have to read about his PER."

HA! Post of the day, right there.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 26, 2009 12:12 PM

"After Howard this year, the next best rebounder was freakish athlete Troy Murphy. "

Who, last I checked, was 6' 10 or 11", not 6' 5" or 6' 6". And, oh yeah, he's also not 20-30 pounds overweight.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 26, 2009 12:15 PM

Bringing up tall guys who rebound without being great athletes, or great athletes who rebound without a height advantage does nothing to further the argument for Blair. Because, as I've said, Blair's problem is that he lacks both height AND athleticism. Add the wight issues into the mix and he's a hat trick of a guy who's poised for a rude awakening in the transition from college to the NBA.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 26, 2009 12:17 PM

I speculate that having Rubio would have given us more trade leverage. For that reason, I wish we had held onto the pick until draft day. But ultimately, I'd rather have Miller/Foye.

Posted by: wwc4g | June 26, 2009 12:19 PM

This is why I gave up on the Bullets years and years ago. Every now and then I read an article about them, but everything just confirms what I believed years ago - profit comes first, second, and third with Abe Pollin. It's his team and he can do with it what he wants. BUT some of us stopped buying into this loser a long, long time ago.

The Wizards have been a bunch of losers for a long time.... and the fans who keep propping them up are enabling the franchise just like [insert celebrity idiot here] handlers.

WAKE UP!


.

Posted by: oldnova | June 26, 2009 12:32 PM

I Love Ernie's trade that got rid of Etan, and brought in two high quality players. I remember how highly regarded Foye and Miller were coming out of College and we addressed two of our three primary needs: 3-point shooting & Ball handling/passing.

Foye has improved every year in the league, and Miller averages over 48% and Rebounds and Passes well.

Now we need the Big(s) for Defense and Toughness as well as git rid of James and Stevenson. These Bigs fit the bill:

*Drew Gooden
*Anderson Verajao
*POPS Mensah-Bonsu
*Fabricio Oberto

Posted by: liveride | June 26, 2009 3:02 PM

"I still contend Curry should have been the pick. He reminds me of Mike Bibby. Always under control with a big shot. Oh well I guess we'll have to wait and see.Posted by: rnbrown4"

I think Don Nelson hopes Curry will be quite a bit better than Bibby.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 26, 2009 3:35 PM

GrunfeldĀ“s trade was plugging holes in a sinking ship. Championship teams are built with bold strokes, high draft picks, lopsided trades and luck. You need to be deep with exceptional talent to contend, and trading the chance to draft a potential star like Rubio for two unexcptional role players was ruinous for our team. Miller and Foye fill roles, so what? Do they fill them at a high enough level to contend? No. Grunfeld is aiming for .500, while other teams trade marquee players and have the hope of a young potential star on their teams. Awful. We will regret this for the next 14 years. Fire Grunfeld, somebody.

Posted by: SammyT1 | June 27, 2009 5:08 AM

Does anyone believe that Gil, Miller, Butler, Jamison and Haywood are better than what Orlando, Boston or CLeveland have to offer? Does anyone see them beating out those teams to earn a spot in the 2010 NBA finals? Didn't think so. Back to the drawing board after this year I guess. We'll be fun to watch, and competitive, but we don't have what it takes to get to the finals. That requires a ton of heart. I don't believe every player on the Wiz combined equals KG or Lebrons heart and will.

Posted by: storers1 | June 29, 2009 7:46 AM

"I think he would have wanted to play in Washington, being an international city."

Not according to his agent.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 29, 2009 10:52 AM

Should the Wiz go get 24 year old, 6'11" Villanueva and try to trade Jamison? It's definitely worth considering - the guy put up big numbers for his minutes played last year. Could his defense be any worse than Jamison's?

Posted by: BulletsFan1 | June 29, 2009 6:23 PM

Rubio is PURE HYPE. What a joke people pretend they know something about this kid when almost no one has seen anything but youtube highlights.

What does it tell you when the ONE team rubio worked out for passed on him for tyreke evans? And that Kings scouts called his performance "underwhelming"?

And that espn now reports GM's are enamored with his "mop hairstyle" and "marketability"?

means he cant play for crap, and thank god we passed

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2009 12:54 AM

Rubio is PURE HYPE. What a joke people pretend they know something about this kid when almost no one has seen anything but youtube highlights.

What does it tell you when the ONE team rubio worked out for passed on him for tyreke evans? And that Kings scouts called his performance "underwhelming"?

And that espn now reports GM's are enamored with his "mop hairstyle" and "marketability"?

means he cant play for crap, and thank god we passed

Posted by: divi3 | June 30, 2009 12:55 AM

"Anyway just look at Ernie's track record he is a subpar GM. He overpaid for players in NYC, the bucks, and the wizards. Also the knicks and Bucks have been at the bottom of the league since he ruined their teams and left. I'm sure he will leave the wizards the same way. I can't wait til he is gone."
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No fool. The Knicks and the Bucks have been at the bottom of the league since he left exactly bc he left and was no longer making better decisions for those teams. He actually got the Bucks to the Conference Finals and were in the playoffs perennially with him. The Knicks probably would have won a title or two if not for a guy named MJ when he was their GM. Get a clue dude!!!!

Posted by: rphilli721 | June 30, 2009 4:35 AM

As far as making bad decisions, every GM in the game makes a bad trade or signs someone to a bad contract or makes a bad pick. It's the nature of what they do! Didn't the Lakers just recently trade Caron Butler for Kwame Brown? And they just won the title partly bc they were able to mitigate that mistake and, in turn, fleece Memphis for Gasol. I think this trade works well in getting something for not much and takes a couple of bad contracts off our books!!!

Posted by: rphilli721 | June 30, 2009 4:40 AM

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