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Harden And Evans to Work Out Friday

The Wizards will arguably hold two of their most important pre-draft workouts on Friday, with Arizona State's James Harden, the left-handed shooting guard, and Memphis's Tyreke Evans, the lightning quick point guard, coming to the Verizon Center. Unfortunately for those wishing to see them go head-to-head, Harden and Evans will have separate workouts.

Harden and Evans are two of the top candidates for the No. 5 pick, with Arizona's Jordan Hill, USC's DeMar DeRozan and Davidson's Stephen Curry also in the mix.

The Wizards will have to decide if they want to go with the old school game of Harden, who doesn't do anything exceptionally well but does a lot of things pretty well, or the upside of Evans, who was the best freshman in college basketball last season. Both players have expressed an interest in playing for Wizards. Harden said he wouldn't have a problem playing alongside Gilbert Arenas; Evans said he wouldn't mind backing him up (although he was probably being a bit modest).

Harden has been criticized for his lack of athleticism, but he dispelled those rumors at the draft combine in Chicago. He tied for the fifth-highest, three-quarter court sprint (3.13 seconds) and the sixth-highest vertical leap (37 inches). He also had 11 reps at 185 pounds. The one area where Harden came up poorly was in body fat percentage, which was 10 percent (highest/worst among guards). He will work out at 10 a.m.

Evans didn't do anything special at the combine, and his vertical was just 34 inches. But anyone who saw him play at Memphis knows this guy can get up and down the floor. Also, his 6-foot-11 wingspan and quickness with the ball make him very promising. The Sacramento Kings are considering him for the fourth pick. Evans will work at 2:30 p.m.

The Wizards will also work out Ohio State center B.J. Mullens and Georgia Tech forward Alade Aminu, who will go head-to-head.

By Michael Lee  |  June 11, 2009; 8:39 PM ET
 
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Ok. But Mike what about the Ginobili rumor??

Posted by: Darnell1 | June 11, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

I like both these guys. Evans would be hard to pass up IMO.

Posted by: Darnell1 | June 11, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

You cant come up with all that and not mention the Ginobili rumor, come on mike...

Also I would not consider Evans "lightning quick" and also he is not going to be a PG in the Nba. He is a SG in the NBA.

My vote is for harden. He can score the ball with the best, his shot is pure.

Posted by: mikejc80 | June 11, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

"The Wizards will also work out Ohio State center B.J. Mullens and Georgia Tech forward Alade Aminu, who will go head-to-head."

Wow, Ernie really likes them big and gangly. It's like a compulsion with him.

Posted by: djnnnou | June 11, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

"The one area where Harden came up poorly was in body fat percentage, which was 10 percent."

Huh?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 11, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Anybody have a link to all the stats taken at the combine?

I think Les BouleS should just go with the 6-10 banger, Jordan.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 11, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Confusing.

How can the NBA get a grade of "A" when this huge imbalance persists?

"Almost 82 percent of the NBA players were black, increasing on last year's 80 percent. This is the highest percentage since the 1994-1995 season."

http://blackathlete.net/artman2/publish/Basketball_6/2009_Racial_and_Gender_Report_for_NBA.shtml

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 11, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

If Les BouleS draft Stephon Curry, there will be 10 more years of curse misery.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 11, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AWizinLA | June 11, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Go with Evans, and who says he going to play the one? He would fit in nicely at the two if Young does not mature into the position.

Aminu??? Ick who are they bring in next Luke Harangody?

Would rather see them go with Sam Young, Taj Gibson, Toney Douglas or Dante Cunningham. Hell trade up and get Lawson on the back end of the first round.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | June 11, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Don't diss Luke Harangody...

He out repped Blake Griffin with 23 reps of 185 lbs.

Unfortunately for Grevis Vasquez, he could only do one.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 11, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

"I like both these guys.Posted by: Darnell1"

So do I. Not to beat a dead horse, but it's something of a mystery how Evans can be so effective from mid-range and such a lump of toast from the 3 point arc (17%). You have to think a decent shooting coach could help.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 11, 2009 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Gil,

Are you watching the finals? Players need to make their free throws!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 12, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Odd game in Orlando tonight. The homers are up by 12 after two quarters and lose in OT. The Lakers shot a less-than-mediocre 42% and still had seven more field goals than the Magic. Orlando got 37 free throw attempts (to 20 for LA) and hit only 60% of them. The big difference in the box score was TOs -- 17 for the Madge, 7 for the Leakers.

Dwight Howard had as many turnovers as Los Angeles, all by his lonesome.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 12, 2009 12:44 AM | Report abuse

DC_Mann,

I am not sure what you mean regarding racial diversity in the NBA. I do recall many years ago Michael Jordan said that he felt there was a prejudice against white players in the NBA. He said that he played with and against several white guys in college who were good enough to be in the NBA but they didn't make it.

Interestingly, very few white players in today's NBA are from America. Most are foreigners who have proven themselves in professional leagues overseas first before being drafted. However, there doesn't appear to be many white players in college B-ball who are NBA caliber nowadays. If there is a prejudice against white players, and I am not saying there is one, then it occurs prior to the college years.

So why would there be a prejudice against white players? Well, the claim has always been that they aren't athletic enough to compete. White players tend to score much lower in athletic drills measuring things such as running and jumping abilities. Of course the converse of this is that people then racially stereotype white players as smarter or more cerebral. This was brought up constantly when Larry Bird used to play. But to say that he didn't possess athleticism is ridiculous. Sure he looked funny when he drove to the basket, but his drive wouldn't have been so effective if he didn't posses a certain degree of quickness and athleticism.

So what do you guys think? Is there a prejudice against white American players in the NBA, college ball, or high school and AAU ball? I am curious why there are so few white American players in the NBA compared to 20 years ago.

Posted by: MeviousMan | June 12, 2009 6:42 AM | Report abuse

The Wiz need to bring in Daye for a look. Against Arizona he killed Hill. At 6'10" can shoot run the floor and knows the game he will be a surprise. Everyone will talk about weight and strength the kid can play. Don't trade the pick. there are some really good players even though people are downplaying the draft.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | June 12, 2009 6:43 AM | Report abuse

"... his vertical was just 34 inches."

How high can you jump, Michael? Is 34 inches bad (or even relevant) for a 1?

I hope the Bullets pick a bruiser, with or without lift. Someone to knock down 1s and 2s that stray into the paint.

Posted by: MikeNelmsReturns | June 12, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse

""... his vertical was just 34 inches."
"How high can you jump, Michael? Is 34 inches bad (or even relevant) for a 1?"

Good point. How many times in a game does a PG even get to dunk? Surely there are other skills that are far more important.

I guess it depends on what the offense requires you to do. If you're playing at NJ or Chicago, they ask you to take the ball to the basket -- probably a good idea to have some elevation there. But if you're Steve Nash or John Stockton -- interesting that I cite two melanin-challenged types -- or Magic Johnson (who could barely outjump Bird), I can't imagin it makes a whit's difference.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 12, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

If we keep the pick and have the choice, Harden over Evans, please.

Do we need another back court mate for Gil that can't consistently knock down the long distance shot. I love DS, but it is a crap shoot when he gets those kick outs from the big 3. There's a difference between ball-ers that can naturally shoot and those that get better as shooters keeping their best performances for the practice court. Unfortunately DS and Evans, I feel fall into the latter.

Not to make too much out of combine data, but these two are identical in height and length and surprisingly Harden was stronger, quicker and more explosive. Plus Harden while being more experienced is only 3 weeks older than Evans and said all the right things about Gil in his combine interview.

Posted by: av531 | June 12, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

If Harden was THAT athletic with 10% body fat, you have to imagine that he could be even better if he was in NBA shape.
Pretty amazing that 10% is considered to be out of shape. whoa!


From draftexpress...
In spite of his perceived athletic limitations, Harden was a terrific finisher around the basket this season. Not only did he get to the rim more than any other player on our list (8.7 Pos/G), he ranked in first comfortably at 1.25 PP

Considering the fact that we need a SG who can get to the rim and who likes to play defense, Harden is probably the guy for us if he falls to 5. A #5 pick should be a starter quality guy who can come in and contribute immediately. There's really only one position where we need an immediate upgrade AND where there's kind of an open competition...or should be. That's SG. CB is NOT a SG and while I'm glad we tried it, it didn't work. Curry wouldn't be a starter on our team because our team is already small. I think he'll be a very good player and if we had some erasers in the front court, I'd be ok with he and Gil starting together. We don't and I'm not.
DeRozan has the size you want and is probably the guy we should take a hard look at if Harden is gone.
We don't need Tyreke Evans or Ty Lawson. We already have a quick PG who is a good passer in Crittenden. BTW, Critt is almost 6'5" in shoes and was 194 with 4.5% body fat. Another pg seems redundant.

Harden if he's there and DeRozan if not.

I can't see any other young guy coming in in and displacing one of the veterans.

Posted by: original_mark | June 12, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

The Wiz need to bring in Daye for a look. Against Arizona he killed Hill. At 6'10" can shoot run the floor and knows the game he will be a surprise. Everyone will talk about weight and strength the kid can play. Don't trade the pick. there are some really good players even though people are downplaying the draft.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | June 12, 2009 6:43 AM

The kid weighs 190-195... hes going to be pushed all over the court for whatever team he ends up with. We dont need a guy like this. We need a defensive minded big or a 2-3 that can hit the 3 ball.

Posted by: DMoney28 | June 12, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: DMoney28 | June 12, 2009 8:40 AM

The kid weighs 190-195... hes going to be pushed all over the court for whatever team he ends up with. We dont need a guy like this. We need a defensive minded big or a 2-3 that can hit the 3 ball.
------

Didn't people say the same thing about Tayshun Prince and look at him now

Posted by: HolleyMvp | June 12, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

The bigger issue with Daye is injuries, right? Not talent, not upside, but health.

The Wiz have to pay attention to things like that.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 12, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Enough with ectomotphic "Prince"-like guys...we got one in every frontcourt spot. Let's get a "fat" guy like the G that hit threes to win last nights game! I'm sure his body fat approaches double digits too.

Posted by: av531 | June 12, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Michael Lee, read a report that the Wiz are looking at trading for Manu Ginobli.........have you heard anything about that??? Any truth to that rumor?

Posted by: SkinsSUPERBOWL | June 12, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

"We need a defensive minded big or a 2-3 that can hit the 3 ball."

100% Agreed. Who are you thinking?

Posted by: cballer | June 12, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

okay todays hoopsworld article says:

The Wizards are said to have an offer for Ginobili on the table, but the details are not known. A deal that makes a lot of sense for both sides is a swap that consists of Mike James, Etan Thomas, the fifth pick in this year's draft, and Nick Young for Manu Ginobili and Fabricio Oberto.

im not too sure about giving up nick young. but given how we are in win mode now i can see why this makes sense. and besides Ginobli is a excellent closer and he is a tough scrappy defender.. but instead of oberto, i would ask for drew gooden...this trade to me is like trading a brand new X box(wizards) for a used play station 2 and 20 good games(spurs). but whats you guys opinion on the trade? heres a potential line up

1- Gilber Arenas
2- Manu Ginobli
3- Caron Butler
4- Antawn Jamison
5- Brendan Haywood

6th man- j critt
7th man- oberto
8th man- mcguire

the issue is there is no scoring coming off the bench, unless we find a Gem in the second round... and a sharp shooter that can just spot up and splash it

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | June 12, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

The game last night between the Lakers and the Majic must have been terrible for Rafer Alston.

There is no way now that Rafer and Jameer can exist on the same Team. Rafer is clearly producing 2-3 levels above Jameer in this champioship series and yet Rafer does not play one minunte in the entire 4th Q' nor overtime.

Jameer Nelson was pitiful. What is Van Gundy thinking about. There were missed plays/free throws, but clearly Nelson's play put the Orlando Majic at an disadvantage.

There is no way that 'Skip to my Lou' should not be running the show for this team right now.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 12, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Ginobili as described above would actually be taking over the two spot from DStev.

But we are loosing Nick Young instead.

Gilbert and Ginobili does not work for me. And dosen't Ginobili, a slasher/shooter, require the ball in his control when he gets it going.

I agree, no PS2 for my Xbox.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 12, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Jameer Nelson was pitiful. What is Van Gundy thinking about. There were missed plays/free throws, but clearly Nelson's play put the Orlando Majic at an disadvantage.

larry i totally agree, rafer and jameer cannot be on the same team, and clearly rafer has been playing better ball and of course he should be because he wasnt out for 4 months like nelson. SVG has been outcoached by the zen master and also the lakers have KOBE bryant the best closer in basketball. with that being said i stand by my prediction... Lakers 4 orlando 2

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | June 12, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Just came from the Majic blog site. There comments lament the fact that they lost/gifted 2-games to the Lakers and should be up 3-1.

One blogger also indicated that Jameer is not ready to shoot the ball. They seriously question why SVG played Nelson the entire 4th Q.'

Seeing Nelson play last night instead of Rafer reminded of the continuous bad substitutions and rotations our Wizards made.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 12, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Dunno why, but I just get the feeling the Spurs are not going to trade Ginobili for any Wizard who doesn't have the initial CB -- no matter how much our local sages think they should.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 12, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Have you heard the trade rumor of the Wiz trying to get Manu Ginoblili check out link:

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/106273-wizards-spurs-deal-in-works?eref=sihp

Posted by: wstclair | June 12, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

@whoever mentioned Austin Daye

I love Gonzaga basketball and watching him was one of the most painful things ever. Don't get me wrong he has a lot of talent but he is a lazy selfish player, who always takes bad shots and plays NO defense. If he puts on 20 pounds he could have a Lamar Odom type career(the so much talent but only shows up for 20 out of 80 games) and 1 out of 3 playoff games. My preference is someone who shows up every night.

Bring on Stephen Curry...Blake Griffin said he is the second best player in the draft. He put up 44 on the road against OU, one of the toughest buildings to play at. He shows up to play every night and knows how to play.

Posted by: ThePat | June 12, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

The Ginobili trade mentioned above I'm not so sure about. I was ok with the idea of a Ginobili/Butler trade, as I think it was a wash, but that we are able to put people in the wing spot from our current roster that, along with Ginobili, would make for some good team chemistry and hopefully improved defense.

And we'd be able to resign him the following year, if we chose, because of the expiring contracts we still held.

But giving up 2 young players with potential, in Nick Young and the 5th pick, I'm not so sure about. Whether or not Nick Young becomes a starter for this team, he will always be at the very least, a productive guard off the bench. The 5th pick, depending on who's there, could be our future starting 2 guard. If Harden is there, then this trade is bad for us. If he's not there, then it's arguable that this trade would be good for us.

Posted by: segastyle | June 12, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"Dunno why, but I just get the feeling the Spurs are not going to trade Ginobili for any Wizard who doesn't have the initial CB -- no matter how much our local sages think they should."

Posted by: Samson151 | June 12, 2009 11:04 AM

That feeling is called "common sense." Nice to see someone has some when it comes to trade scenarios.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 12, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

SVG has been outcoached by the zen master and also the lakers have KOBE bryant the best closer in basketball. with that being said i stand by my prediction... Lakers 4 orlando 2

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | June 12, 2009 11:01 AM

There is a saying that the 1 or 2 times you make it to the championship, you better do your all to win it, because you might not never see it again.

I thought that the Majic really understood that and is why I picked them to beat the Lakers, but clearly with SVG's decision making in question, he might not understand that, and thusly might not be articulating that to his players.

The Zen Master clearly understands and Van Gundy better get a clue real quick to have any miracle chance of getting to 7-games.

That being said this Majic Team has proven they can play with the Lakers, so it would be a shame to see them flame out at 4-1.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 12, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

"I am curious why there are so few white American players in the NBA compared to 20 years ago. "

Because there are fewer white kids seriously pursuing basketball at the college, H.S., or middle school level. To suggest that there's some kind of bias on the part of the NBA is nonsense. They pull their talent from the available pool, and the number of white kids who stick with basketball through the highest levels has been steadily shrinking over the past 20-30 years. Most of the best players coming out of college are Black because most of the players going into college are Black.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 12, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

What about that old adage.

You don't trade old for young, big for small, and oft injured for healthy.

Two of those goes against us.

And why would I give up my 5th pick, and a young/core player for Ginobili.

The last time I checked Ginobili ain't really that good. Leave out the 5th pick. This trade just gives it away.

You have to leave out the 5th pick to make the deal make any sense in line with the old adages. Have anybody asked themselves why Pop would go for this deal. It is a swindle for him.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 12, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

With this medical staff why would anyone want to trade for Ginobili? We would have half our roster on the IR list next year?

Kal,

Have you watched a Duke game lately?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 12, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Getting a great player (Ginobli) in exchange for bad players (Thomas) almost never happens. If EG can throw in the #5 and Nick Young and make it work - GO FOR IT!

I'd prefer to keep our pick and young talent, but really...who cares about NY and Hardeen/Evans/Curry/Derozen when we might actually be able to see Arenas, Butler, Manu, Jamison, and Haywood together for a few years?

With Ginobli, I might actually buy a bigger season ticket package for next year instead of reducing it. GO GET HIM ERNIE!

Posted by: cballer | June 12, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

the issue is there is no scoring coming off the bench, unless we find a Gem in the second round... and a sharp shooter that can just spot up and splash it

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | June 12, 2009 10:24 AM

If this trade does-down as you described, we'll still have a high-pick in the 2nd round, and there will be plenty of bench-help available who can help us.

Lester Hudson
Dionte Christmas
Patrick Mills
Rodrigue Beaubois

Bigs
Jeff Adrien
Jeff Pendergraph

Posted by: closg | June 12, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

It's not like NY was being called upon to be the 'instant scorer' off the bench but I hate that trade.
Why not see if Mitch Richmond is still available while we're at it. Mitch was a year older than Manu when we got him but had been more durable and was a much better player. He got here and got old really quick. Manu has a year or two left. MAYBE. THAT's IT.

Terrible deal for us of we pull that off !!

Posted by: original_mark | June 12, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

There is no way now that Rafer and Jameer can exist on the same Team. Rafer is clearly producing 2-3 levels above Jameer in this champioship series and yet Rafer does not play one minunte in the entire 4th Q' nor overtime.

Jameer Nelson was pitiful. What is Van Gundy thinking about. There were missed plays/free throws, but clearly Nelson's play put the Orlando Majic at an disadvantage.

There is no way that 'Skip to my Lou' should not be running the show for this team right now.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD

Totally agree! While the Magic's turnovers and missed free throws totally hurt the team, Stan Van Gundy lost the game for the Magic by putting in Jameer for the final quarter and not playing Rafer at all.

When Van Gundy was asked about this in the post game presser, he said that Jameer appeared to be doing ok and that Rafer had sat so long he was hesitant to put him back in cold (does the first game loss ring a bell, Stan? Same situation except in different quarters.).

The Magic HAD this game but now the Lakers will win the Championship. Why do you do these stupid things, Stan????

Posted by: Lisa_R | June 12, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Someone needs to check and make sure that it really isn't Tapscott wearing a Van Gundy mask.

Posted by: original_mark | June 12, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

If Patty Mills lasts until the 2nd round of this draft that is a crime. If he hadn't gotten hurt midseason he would have been a top 10 pick. He is that good, a true PG and in fact what this team needs. The two best PGS in this draft are Lawson and Mills. I'd compare Lawson to Rondo and Mills to Parker.

Posted by: ThePat | June 12, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

And I mean two best PGs after Rubio.

Posted by: ThePat | June 12, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Someone needs to check and make sure that it really isn't Tapscott wearing a Van Gundy mask.

Posted by: original_mark | June 12, 2009 12:05 PM


LOL couldnt have agreed anymore.

and yes i do think that trading nick young for ginobli isnt the best idea, especially if were giving up the 5th pick overall. if we do pull the trade off we should give them deshawn stevenson, dominic mcguire or andray blatche. i just think nick young playing with Gilbert in the back court would be very powerful. and call me crazy but i think nick young can be a franchise player, if given the opportunity. Lets not forget his playing time fluctuated throughout the entire season with tapsuck not giving him consistent minutes. If you give that boy(young) 25 minutes per game i can promise you he would average 17ppg maybe even 4 assists. Trading young to san antonio nick young will be an allstar catching ooops from tony parker all day and night. I just hope the wizards explore ALL options befor pulling the trigger on this one

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | June 12, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Don't understand the fascination with Evans. He's not a good enough ballhandler to play PG and his shooting form is poor as noted by NBA draft scounts which explains his poor shooting percentage from behind the 3-point line in college. Harden has a much better shot and a set NBA position (2 guard). With the exception of his body fat percentage being on the high side, he measured up very well at the NBA draft camp. I'd think it would be a little easier to get him in better shape with the proper conditioning and diet than trying to teach a player with poor shooting form how to shoot.

I seriously hope we can trade the No. 5 pick for a young veteran who can help us immediately, but would rather pick Harden over Evans if those are our best options.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 12, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Ginobli is no longer a great player and is an "old" 32 whose playing style has caused him to miss a lot of games the last 3-4 years. His drop off in play has coincided with the Spurs decline from champion and I can't see him playing at a high level for more than a year or two. Any trade of young talent for Ginobli would be another reminder of the terrible trade for Mitch Richmond which set back the team for years.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 12, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

"The two best PGS in this draft are Lawson and Mills. I'd compare Lawson to Rondo and Mills to Parker.Posted by: ThePat"

Lawson and Rondo have a lot in common, but Lawson seems much more accomplished as a shooter (Rondo still struggles with his outside shot). Lawson has real defensive skills but is at a bit of a disadvantage in the NBA because he's a compact, strong player rather than a long-arm type. He's at his best in the open court and if he winds up on a running club like the Suns, Blazers, or Lakers, he could really have an impact. The big concern is that toe; any recurring foot injury scares NBA teams half to death. IMO, I'd describe him as somewhere between Rondo and Jameer Nelson.

Mills is more of a classic assists guy -- an adequate but not exceptional shooter who excels at getting up and down the court and finding the open teammate. Defensively I don't know that you'd put him anywhere near Lawson or Rondo. He needs to play on a team with a bunch of superior shooters (so does Rajon). If you watched the Wiz struggle last season, you would probably think that a player Mills would fit in well -- somebody who could come in and settle the team down when they lost focus (as the Wiz continually did).

But Mills is a late first-rounder, I expect. Lawson will go considerably higher.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 12, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I agree why trade N. Young for Ginobli! He stays injured and Nick Young has potential, plus he's young and we were thankful to even get him in the first place!

Posted by: washwiz | June 12, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

(Ginobli stays injured and he's old)!

Posted by: washwiz | June 12, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

... although I would do a CB for Ginobili trade if we could get a pick from THEM along with it. It would strengthen our backcourt defense and open up a SF spot for a player who actually has some size (AJ, AB, DM or #5).

It would look something like this potentially...

Gil, Manu/DM, AJ, AB, BTH
with JM, NY, Critt, #5 coming off the bench.

That lineup has the potential to be very good defensively. It also makes for a pretty good 2nd unit.
It closes our window a bit because in a year or so we'd need to have someone step up and take Aj and Manu's spots but between #5, Nick, JM and DM, we have some guys who might be able to do it.

Posted by: original_mark | June 12, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm convinced we can't win with CB at the 3 and AJ at the 4 because we're too weak and small defensively. CB is easier to move so he's the only realistic trade bait among the two of them.

Posted by: original_mark | June 12, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I guess Lee is waiting to post on Harden after Evans works out. I was hoping to see something by now.

@ HolleyMVP

While the skinny knock on both is true Prince was a proven leader coming out,played 4 years at Kentucky, winning player of the year at least once and leading UK to the tourney every year. I think he even took them to the sweet 16 once.

What did Daye do in comparison to that playing in the 'tough' WCC?

Posted by: DMoney28 | June 12, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

New Chad Ford story just dropped linking the Wiz to Ray Allen. I think I'd prefer Manu, despite his unpopularity on this blog.

Posted by: GshawnJohnson | June 12, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

If the Wiz mentality is to seriously push for a championship, then you've got to trade Manu for NY.

Guy has won multiple championships and even at 32 will give us alot more from the #2 than DeShawn Stevenson (who also likes to get injured, by the way).

On the Spurs he was basically the second scoring option and had to do alot. With the Wiz he won't have to carry as much of the load and won't have to push himself nearly as hard every night.

NY is still a project. Whoever we get at #5 is going to be a project. The Wiz aren't rebuilding; they expect to win now.

Posted by: p1funk | June 12, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Not sure I'd do that trade for Allen. This push for a veteran doesn't make sense. We should just want to get a good player. Magic are in the finals and have Courtney Lee contributing majorly. He's not a veteran. We have veterans. In fact we have three current or recently former all-stars. They are our veterans. We have a veteran starting center. We have a veteran 2 guard coming off injury. We have vets.

Teams need to be a mix. If 3 off-and-on all-stars is not enough veteran talent, the it's time to get rid of one or more of the all-stars.

There's a simple question to ask before making any of these trades of our future for a 32+ year old player: will the addition of that one player take us into the finals this year. If the answer is not a definite yes, then the trade is stupid.

San Antonio has one of the best team managements in all of sports. Boston has a solid management team, as well. If both veteran teams, looking to make a move in next years playoffs to get back into the finals, are looking to get our draft pick and shed an older player and salary off to us, that should tell us something. If they think they can get to the finals and win with a rookie picked at the 5 spot, then why can't we?

If the answer is because we aren't as good as that team, then maybe that means it's time to get rid of one of our core players.

Posted by: segastyle | June 12, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to add, making a decision when you're desperate, especially in pro-sports, rarely ends up beneficial.

Posted by: segastyle | June 12, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"The Wiz aren't rebuilding; they expect to win now." - p1funk

The Spurs aren't rebuilding either. So why do they want to drop Manu and get our pick and NY? Something to consider...

Posted by: segastyle | June 12, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

"If the answer is because we aren't as good as that team, then maybe that means it's time to get rid of one of our core players.
Posted by: segastyle"

And maybe it doesn't mean that. Because it doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 12, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

""I am curious why there are so few white American players in the NBA compared to 20 years ago. "

Because there are fewer white kids seriously pursuing basketball at the college, H.S., or middle school level. To suggest that there's some kind of bias on the part of the NBA is nonsense. They pull their talent from the available pool, and the number of white kids who stick with basketball through the highest levels has been steadily shrinking over the past 20-30 years. Most of the best players coming out of college are Black because most of the players going into college are Black.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 12, 2009 11:20 AM "

That's what affirmative action and the EEOC is for.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 12, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Not sure I'd do that trade for Allen. This push for a veteran doesn't make sense. We should just want to get a good player. Magic are in the finals and have Courtney Lee contributing majorly. He's not a veteran. We have veterans. In fact we have three current or recently former all-stars. They are our veterans. We have a veteran starting center. We have a veteran 2 guard coming off injury. We have vets.


Posted by: segastyle | June 12, 2009 2:51 PM

i totally agree. And i also think that nick young should be ready to start. Ray allen by all means did not show up in the playoffs at all. and he is also a shooting guard on the decline, as well as ginobli. Ernie Grunfield make a move that is going to benefit our team short to long term dude. stop looking for these shortcuts, its not going to work. GET A PLAYER in his prime or entering his prime, not that is already peeking...sheesh!

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | June 12, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"So why would there be a prejudice against white players? Well, the claim has always been that they aren't athletic enough to compete. White players tend to score much lower in athletic drills measuring things such as running and jumping abilities. Of course the converse of this is that people then racially stereotype white players as smarter or more cerebral. This was brought up constantly when Larry Bird used to play. But to say that he didn't possess athleticism is ridiculous. Sure he looked funny when he drove to the basket, but his drive wouldn't have been so effective if he didn't posses a certain degree of quickness and athleticism.

So what do you guys think? Is there a prejudice against white American players in the NBA, college ball, or high school and AAU ball? I am curious why there are so few white American players in the NBA compared to 20 years ago.

Posted by: MeviousMan | June 12, 2009 6:42 AM "

I guess the answer is that white people have more sports available to them compared to blacks.

Watching olympic volleyball, soccer, lacrosse, etc., white people are obviously athletic enough to play those sports.

The funny thing about the article that I posted was that the committee that gave the NBA an "A" for diversity also noted how overly represented blacks players are, at 82%, which doesn't follow in line the demographics in the US.

If the reverse was the case, then you'd hear people like Jesse Jackson and Wilbon whine like the biotches that they are.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 12, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Short of getting Wade and Kolby the Wiz are not winning anything this year or next year. They will be pretty good with the team they have and a new coach. They need to continue to develop their young players and maybe with some luck get a missing beast to put them over the hump. They have a good start. Use the 5th pick to pick up more talent. Don't get brokeup Ginolbi and past his prime Allen. Wiz have some budding stars. They need the right coach go to bring it out. Flip might be thea guy. Last I checked Rip, Tashaun and plenty of other good players wehe deemed to small.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | June 12, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

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