Trade Is Official

From the Wizards' news release:

Washington Wizards President Ernie Grunfeld announced today that the team has acquired guard/forward Mike Miller and guard Randy Foye from the Minnesota Timberwolves in exchange for Etan Thomas, Darius Songaila, Oleksiy Pecherov and the fifth overall selection in the 2009 NBA Draft.
"We are very excited to welcome two solid, proven veterans in Mike Miller and Randy Foye to Washington," said Grunfeld. "Mike is one of the NBA's elite three-point shooters who can really stretch the defense and provide an all-around game, and Randy has shown the ability to create scoring opportunities for himself and his teammates while providing excellent perimeter defense. Their skills complement our core very well and they will provide a boost as we re-establish ourselves as a contender in the Eastern Conference."
A 29-year-old swingman, Miller has averaged 13.9 points and 5.0 rebounds per game over nine professional seasons in Orlando, Memphis and Minnesota. A former Rookie of the Year in 2000-01 and Sixth Man of the Year in 2005-06, Miller has connected on over 40 percent (1,173-2,926, .401) of his three-point field goal tries in his career. Miller's career best statistical season came in 2006-07 in Memphis when he averaged a career-high 18.5 points per game to go along with 5.4 rebounds and 4.3 assists while connecting on 202 of 498 (.406) three-point tries. Miller averaged a career-high 6.7 rebounds the following season in Memphis, and recorded a career-best 4.5 assists per game last season in Minnesota.
Foye, a 25-year-old guard, had a breakout season for the Timberwolves in 2008-09 when he averaged 16.3 points and 4.3 assists per game. He started 61 games for Minnesota, recording a career-high 36 points vs. Indiana on February 20 and recording a career-best 14-assists at Detroit on November 23. Foye has seen his scoring average increase by at least three points in each of his three professional seasons after being selected seventh overall in the 2006 NBA Draft by Boston and acquired in a draft day trade by Minnesota via Portland.
Thomas averaged 6.0 points and 4.9 rebounds per game in 373 career games for Washington, including 3.1 ppg and 2.5 rpg in 26 games last season. Songaila appeared in 184 games for Washington over the last three seasons, and averaged 7.4 points and 2.9 rebounds last season (with a career-high 29 games started). Pecherov, drafted by Washington with the 18th overall selection in the 2006 NBA Draft, averaged 3.6 points and 2.1 rebounds per game in 67 career games for the Wizards.
"We appreciate the contributions that Etan, Darius and Oleksiy made to the team and the community during their tenures in Washington," said Grunfeld. "We wish them the best and we're pleased to have been able to accomplish a trade that benefited all parties involved."

Michael Lee is on his way to Grunfeld's 4 p.m. news conference.

By Alexa Steele |  June 24, 2009; 3:11 PM ET
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Mike Miller will bounce back & Foye will have a career year playing along side Gil.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | June 24, 2009 3:17 PM

This is not the end of the moves

Posted by: cilp33 | June 24, 2009 3:30 PM

flohrtv, we can only hope. i like the GA and Foye backcourt. and the bench could be very potent with miller and young. I was lukewarm on this deal initially, but now i'm coming around.

Now, EG has got to make a move for a big. Are they below the cap, now?

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | June 24, 2009 3:31 PM

The Wiz should go ahead and pay what ever luxury tax is needed to win now. Abe is and has been very sick for a while now. He might as well spend the money and try to get his last championship. Once Abe is gone and the team is sold to Ted L. then the tear down and rebuild can begin ala The Caps. Spend what ever is needed, pay the tax and win one.
But that is what is going to happen sometime in the next 3 or 4 years a Major tear down and rebuild.

Posted by: RichC3 | June 24, 2009 3:34 PM

Maybe with a little cap room and roster space, they could sign a decent mid-level player. I still feel that there will be other moves. Also, the 32nd draft could produce a decent player. Maybe with a little, someone will slip down.

Posted by: Bailey51 | June 24, 2009 3:44 PM

Next year is going to be a dress rehearsal anyway, so props to Ernie for getting rid of Etan's contract and getting some cap flexibility in 2010/11. Of course if Rubio somehow falls to #5, then this trade sucks. I don't see that happening though.

Posted by: djnnnou | June 24, 2009 3:45 PM

Right now the only players with any trade value are NY and maybe MJ's expiring contract? Is that enough to trade for a serviceable big man? Hopefully Ernie has the green light to sign a big man with the MLE and keeps a roster spot or two open in case of injuries.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 24, 2009 3:48 PM

"who's danny green better than sega? I don't know if any rookie outside of blake woulda took someone's job right away bigman or guard (part of the thinking behind this abysmal trade).

i just wanna know why not draft the best available big man vs. another combo 2-3 to split time with miller..." - lilhollywood10

Not saying he's better than anyone we have starting. I'm saying I like his combination of skills, and I think he could be better than McGuire at the 3/2 as a role player.

My main point to you was that we shouldn't zero in on a position and only take someone from that position. Take whoever is the best talent. I'd rather have someone who will make the team and maybe contribute in a season or two, than take someone just because they fill a position of need, then cut them before the season even starts.

I happen to think the Green is much better than his draft ranking. I think he'll be one of the surprises out of the 2nd round. If there is a underrated big man around at that spot who we think is good, that's fine if we take him. I just happen to think Green could be a starting caliber player in this league, or at least a first man off the bench type.

Posted by: segastyle | June 24, 2009 3:50 PM

Hallelujah!!! Hallelujah!!! Hallelujah, Hallelujah, Hal-le-lu-jah!!!!

Hallelujah!!! Hallelujah!!! Hallelujah, Hallelujah, Hal-le-lu-jah!!!!

Hallelujah!!! Hallelujah!!! Hallelujah, Hallelujah, Hal-le-lu-jah!!!!

Posted by: Barno1 | June 24, 2009 3:50 PM

For everyone who don't believe I am a Wizard fan you are right I am a Bullet fan Can't you read my User ID. I say that because back then the NBA was a level playing ground you won by drafting good players and making the right trades.

Today the NBA is all about making the ESPN highlights with dunks or filling up the stats sheet.

That's the problem I have with ABE is he still thinks you run a team the way he did way back then!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 24, 2009 3:53 PM

doesn't

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 24, 2009 3:54 PM

As a T'Wolves fan, I like this trade. Randy Foye & Mike Miller will give the Wizards depth & scoring ability while the 5th pick gives the T'Wolves ammunition to dramatically upgrade their roster.

I suspect that the T'Wolves will eventually wind up with the 2nd & 6th picks, which will translate into Thabeet & either Evans, Curry, Flynn or Harden.

It'll also leave them significantly under the cap at the end of this year.

Posted by: gmg425 | June 24, 2009 3:55 PM

As reported on the NBA TV's "Gametime Live" show Tuesday, the Wizards had three potential deals from which to choose for the fifth pick -- potential trades with Dallas, New York and Minnesota. The Mavericks deal had little chance of happening, as Dallas was reluctant to part with guard Jason Terry and had no interest in moving Josh Howard. New York hoped to get the fifth pick in order to select guard Stephen Curry, offering guard Larry Hughes and the eighth pick for Thomas, guard Mike James and the fifth pick.

should have done the knicks deal

Posted by: anacostia85 | June 24, 2009 3:58 PM

Next trade: Miller, Butler for Amare Stoudemire. Phoenix craves Butler.

Posted by: bugfun1 | June 24, 2009 4:00 PM

The Atlanta Hawks and Golden State Warriors are closing in on a trade that would find a new home for Jamal Crawford.


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NBA front-office sources say that the Warriors and Hawks will soon complete a deal sending Crawford to Atlanta for Acie Law and Speedy Claxton.

Warriors coach Don Nelson made no secret of the fact that Crawford wasn't in his future plans. By shedding Crawford's longer contract and by virtue of insurance payments that will cover some of the costs of Claxton, Golden State would secure a decent measure of payroll relief with the trade.

Less clear is what impact the move will have on Atlanta's forthcoming negotiations with free agent-to-be Mike Bibby. Although Crawford is not a pure point guard, he's a prolific scorer whose arrival could affect the sort of contract offer Bibby expected

Posted by: anacostia85 | June 24, 2009 4:03 PM

That's the problem I have with ABE is he still thinks you run a team the way he did way back then!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 24, 2009 3:53 PM

This doesn't even make any sense. You like the way the NBA used to be, and yet you're criticizing Abe Pollin because he still thinks you run a team the way he did back then. Um...

Posted by: Barno1 | June 24, 2009 4:04 PM

Huh. I would have sworn Miller was older than 29. Seems like he's been in the NBA forever.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 24, 2009 4:10 PM

I like the deal, and better than the Knicks deal that anacostia mentions because though I appreciate Larry Hughes, he's getting a little long in the tooth and will likely lose a lot of PT to injuries yet again. Miller's 3s and rebounding are definitely going to help. And Foye is proven, which none of the draft picks are. Like a lot of others, I sense some other trade will happen, but even if it doesn't, the Wiz clearly have a potent offense. Now, will Flip turn around the defense? And how much of Gil's former greatness will he still have? If it's 95%+ and the D is good, we'll be seeing a lot of wins this year.

Posted by: 7snider7 | June 24, 2009 4:14 PM

Mike Miller is actually a lot like the young Ernie Grunfeld, in his shooting and open-court flair. I hope he comes in ready to prove himself worthy of a long-term contract.

I agree that Foye and Gil will be a great combination in the backcourt, and Miller is the first person off the bench, at either the 2 or 3. Young and Stevenson are solid reserves and Crittendon deserves a chance to earn playing time.

I don't see Mike James in the plan, and I wouldn't be sad to see him packaged with NY for a mobile big man. But I'd rather just jettison James and his contract and sign the Birdman as a free agent. (Yeah, Abe, pony up and let's win a championship.)

There's a lot to like with this trade. If we luck out and get a good player with the 32nd pick, it's gravy. But it's a weak draft and I don't think the 5 spot did us much good.


Posted by: zinger1 | June 24, 2009 4:15 PM

"But I'd rather just jettison James and his contract and sign the Birdman as a free agent."

This isn't the NBA. You can't just cut a guy to get his contract off the cap. They either have to trade him in a no player-return deal (that's not going to happen) or get him to agree to a buyout (that won't happen and even if it did, it wouldn't give them enough cap space to be active in the FA market).

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 24, 2009 4:19 PM

this isn't the nba?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 24, 2009 4:25 PM

Kalo_rama:

Somebody will need James and EG isn't shy about trading for "future considerations." The question is whether Abe will be shy about busting the cap and paying the luxury tax, if necessary. This may be his last chance to win it all, and the Wiz only need a couple of pieces to do it, in my opinion.


Posted by: zinger1 | June 24, 2009 4:26 PM

zinger, did you mean pony up for the birdman and win a championship?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 24, 2009 4:27 PM

Well, if nothing else they'll be more fun to watch.

More scoring, high octane offense, threes draining from the outside. If they shoot well they can beat anybody in the East. If they don't shoot well they can lose to anybody in the East. Or West. And in between.

No defense and rebounding but, hey....

Posted by: SteveMG | June 24, 2009 4:29 PM

why are they talkin on espn about minn using two of their picks on young guards? i thought the guys they just traded away were starter caliber? i wonder what minn's real feelings on miller and foye were before the trade. i mean you trade away two productive vets just to draft the same positions two days later.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 24, 2009 4:31 PM

We got "better" at positions that we were already good at.

We bolstered areas that did not need much bolstering.

Ernie dumped some salaries/contracts that he was responsible for putting on the books in the first place.

When we start making some moves that will actually address the real needs of this team to make it seriously competitive, I'll check back and give Ernie kudos and join in the warm fuzzy feelings...

Posted by: p1funk | June 24, 2009 4:31 PM

zinger, did you mean pony up for the birdman and win a championship?


Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 24, 2009 4:27 PM

in the crystal meth olympics maybe

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 24, 2009 4:31 PM

lilhollywood10:

Very funny! I think andersen is keeping his nose clean nowadays; nobody works harder all over the court. But he isn't the only option. I like Gooden, too, and McDyess.

Posted by: zinger1 | June 24, 2009 4:36 PM

antonio mcdyess = bruce smith

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 24, 2009 4:38 PM

"Somebody will need James . . ."

James does nothing that any team's going to need, at least not at his current salary. Now, teams may want him, but only for his expiring contract. Which means that the Wizards would have to take a contract back in return. Which means they'd get no immediate cap relief and would be unable to sign Chis Andersen, who is a FA this summer.

"The question is whether Abe will be shy about busting the cap and paying the luxury tax, if necessary."

No, the question is do the Wizards have the money to sing Chris Andersen. The answer is "no."

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 24, 2009 4:40 PM

maybe not as good as when bruce came to washington.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 24, 2009 4:41 PM

"This isn't the NBA."

Obviously that should be "this isn't the NFL."

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 24, 2009 4:41 PM

We got "better" at positions that we were already good at.

We bolstered areas that did not need much bolstering.

Posted by: p1funk | June 24, 2009 4:31 PM
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Gotta disagree. We were weak at SG, and Gil's knee left a huge risk at PG for the upcoming season. We've now got something in Foye to offset the risk of Gil's knee, and we have Mike Miller who is far better than Stevenson. Foye can play both guard spots, so he's versatile. Foye is young and he's getting better each year.

Now Ernie just needs to package Mike James, and some other pieces and get a decent PF/Center to help out in the post.

Posted by: Independent11 | June 24, 2009 4:44 PM

not as obvious as the capitalized letters that say "NBA". it's a typo and it's all good but don't act like it's my fault you made a typo the only thing obvious is that you wrote it and didn't correct it until called on about it.you coulda meant any league acronym.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 24, 2009 4:44 PM

"Thomas averaged 6.0 points and 4.9 rebounds per game in 373 career games for Washington..."

I hope ET's health returns and wish him well, but that's pathetic for what he was paid. And EJ actually started him for a while--geeze. God bless Ernie for finally finding a sucker, ahem, taker for ET. I think this fact alone may have been Ernie's greatest feat. Just kidding.

I am also excited about Foye...other than GA, I dont think we'll see anything like "...a career-high 36 points vs. Indiana on February 20 and recording a career-best 14-assists at Detroit on November 23." from any of the other Wiz guards anytime soon.

Posted by: oddjob2 | June 24, 2009 4:46 PM

"it's a typo and it's all good but don't act like it's my fault you made a typo"

And where, exactly, did i say it was your fault? The idea that you think I actually give you that much thought/credit is rather rather foolish on your part.

As for why it should be obvious . . . because the description of being able to simply cut players with no financial obligation is a pretty obvious reference to how the NFL does business.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 24, 2009 4:49 PM

I give this deal a B-.
Had we pulled off the trade with the Knicks and acquired the 8th overall pick I would have given it a B.
Larry Hughes does miss 25% of the season with injuries but he did help lead us to the 2nd round of the playoffs.
With the 8th pick the Wizards could have gotten a pretty good player.
Oh well.

Posted by: jeremybozz | June 24, 2009 4:50 PM

"why are they talkin on espn about minn using two of their picks on young guards? i thought the guys they just traded away were starter caliber? i wonder what minn's real feelings on miller and foye were before the trade. i mean you trade away two productive vets just to draft the same positions two days later."

The Wolves are rebuilding their team, basically from scratch. They have no use for an expensive vet like Miller. They also don't have a real PG, nor do any of their young guards have great size in the backcourt. Most likely that's what they'll be targeting in the draft.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 24, 2009 4:54 PM

We got "better" at positions that we were already good at.

We bolstered areas that did not need much bolstering.

Posted by: p1funk | June 24, 2009 4:31 PM
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Gotta disagree. We were weak at SG, and Gil's knee left a huge risk at PG for the upcoming season. We've now got something in Foye to offset the risk of Gil's knee, and we have Mike Miller who is far better than Stevenson. Foye can play both guard spots, so he's versatile. Foye is young and he's getting better each year.

Posted by: Independent11 | June 24, 2009 4:44 PM

Gotta disagree.

Gil is already an All-Star caliber combo guard. We bolstered ourselves by getting another combo guard. By the way, Foye is no "insurance" for Gil. If Gil goes down (again), this season is FINISHED. We'd be lucky to eak into the playoffs as a 7 or 8 seed and get slaughtered by (take your pick) the Celtics, Magic or Cavs. Foye does nothing to change that.

We blostered our perimeter scoring/shooting with Mike Miller. We already are gonna have Gil, AJ, and Caron - not to mention Nick Young - shooting jumpers for us. Gil and AJ are already prolific 3-point shooters who cannot defend. Were we really THAT needy for another perimeter scorer/3-pt shooter who can't defend? We "bolstered" and area that needed little bolstering.

What this team needs and has always needed to be competitive was interior defense and rebounding AND (God willing) someone with a post move or 2 to become a legit front court scoring option.

We still need those.

Posted by: p1funk | June 24, 2009 4:59 PM

so if those two guys are inadequate for a 24 win team why are they such a good fit for us? did ernie call up minn and say "boy do i have a deal for you".
kal it wasn't obvious b/c i don't know that the nhl,wnba,mls or any othe three letter league don't have the same rules as the nfl. and while you didn't assign blame to me (ridiculous) however your tone is such that one would think that they were at fault for not understanding your obvious mistake.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 24, 2009 5:02 PM

Lets assume the Wiz will not use the full mid level exception for a solid 4/5 backup big man. Ernie may look to bring in a player like Pollard or Doleac for rebounds and some D. Or maybe go back to the Minn well and pickup a Chris Richard and see if he continues to develop. As usual, there arent a lot of decent big men options out there for league min. They may just wait until the trading deadline...and see where they are in the standings.

Posted by: oddjob2 | June 24, 2009 5:08 PM

I'm wondering why we had to give them the draft pick. Seems like they wanted to trade Miller and Foye and wanted Thomas and Songalia. Pesch was just a throw-in. Instead of the draft pick, couldn't we have thrown in James and Crittenton, too?

I would have liked the Wizards to take Gerald Henderson from Duke. He was amazing against Maryland. Very good shooter and excellent on defense! I don't know why he isn't rated higher in the draft.

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | June 24, 2009 5:09 PM

That's the problem I have with ABE is he still thinks you run a team the way he did way back then!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 24, 2009 3:53 PM

This doesn't even make any sense. You like the way the NBA used to be, and yet you're criticizing Abe Pollin because he still thinks you run a team the way he did back then. Um...

Posted by: Barno1 | June 24, 2009 4:04 PM

Barno1,

I prefer old school basketball where players played as a team, wanted to win first, and didn't care about their own stats. That doesn't mean if you own a business you don't have to keep up with the times. Think about it?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 24, 2009 5:11 PM

DEAR ERNIE,
TAKE VCU'S LARRY SANDERS WITH THE #32 PICK.

He is 6’9”, with an outrageous 7’7” wingspan, Sanders has made his name as a shot blocking menace. He would be a steal at #32 and would give the Wiz some added defense.

Posted by: wiz_fan | June 24, 2009 5:12 PM

p1funk,
How were we strong at SG? Assuming Gil is healed and ready to go then Foye (starting) and Miller (coming off bench) fill that SG spot very nicely. Miller more than makes up what we lost with Mason's departure. Mason's departure really hurt us. We need that kind of three point threat.

I think Foye and Arenas will play great together in much the same way Arenas and Houghes did.

And if Arenas misses the entire season, then we at least have a young point guard who averages over 16ppg, over 4 assists, and over 4 rebounds with all kinds of upside potential. He's only been in the league three years. So in a worst case scenario (Gilbert out another season we have):

PG Foye, James, Crittendon
SG Miller, D.Stevenson, Young
SF Butler, McGuire
PF Jamison, Blatche
C Haywood, Mcgee

instead of this mess:

PG James, Crittendon
SG Stevenson, Young
SF Butler, McGuire
PF Jamison, Blatche
C Haywood, McGee, Thomas, Pech

We are deeper than last year, and we have a lot of risk with Gil's knee and with last year's knuckleheads at the SG spot, so we need more depth there.

But, it's true Ernie NEEDS another trade to get us someone who can provide a serious presence down low. But the changes he made were most definitely essential to turning this club around.

Posted by: Independent11 | June 24, 2009 5:19 PM

"The question is whether Abe will be shy about busting the cap and paying the luxury tax, if necessary."

No, the question is do the Wizards have the money to sing Chris Andersen. The answer is "no."

Don't the Wiz have the MLE available which can be used as long as they are still under the luxury cap? I'm not a cap expert but thought this might be an option to go after a player like Milsap, Verajao, or Andersen (although I would think that $4.5M wouldn't be enough to sign a player of that calibre).

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 24, 2009 5:20 PM

has this trade added any wins to our prospective record next year if so how many. i don't think these two guys coming here will translate to wins.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 24, 2009 5:24 PM

now get rid of james and blatche for picks or a solid vet... or butler, james, and blatche for amare...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | June 24, 2009 5:27 PM

A team is allowed to sign one player to a contract equal to the average NBA salary, even if the team is over the salary cap already, or if the signing would put them over the cap. This is known as the Mid-level exception (MLE). The MLE may be used on an individual free agent or split among multiple free agents, and is available to any team that exceeds the salary cap at the beginning of the offseason.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 24, 2009 5:31 PM

I love this trade in terms of value received vs. value given up. It is a below average draft and taking a guy at #5 this year is a crapshoot. Most likely, their highest upside player would be a guy that would have to develop for a year or two.

So giving up three guys who shouldn't ever get PT on a good team and the 5 (again, who knows what you'll get or how long you'll have to wait for results) for two guys who will immediately contribute and who will immediately help shore up a profound weakness (3 point shooting) last season is a good thing. And it seems to me that Foye's upside is pretty high still.

So good trade.

But on a different level, we still must address what sort of shape this leaves our roster in. We now have a grand total of three (three!) legitimate bigs--only one of whom is battle-tested: Haywood. I love Jamison's game (even if I wish he came off of the bench as the 6th man), but he is a tweener. Too small to be a PF, too big (i.e. not quick enough) to be a SF. Yet he rebounds, is a streaky good 3 point shooter, and finds ways to get the ball in the basket. And I appreciate his character.

But I don't count him as a big, which leaves us with 3. Blatche has proven himself to be utterly unreliable despite his obvious skill set. We can hope for something different with maturity, I just hope we don't trade him and watch him mature and star somewhere else. He HAS the talent, but not (so far) the heart. McGee, who I am very high on, is still a work in progress and a ways away. Still, heaven forbid either one get hurt.

We also have exactly one backup SF: DM. This doesn't bode well for a long season, though I guess Mike Miller can play 3 if necessary.

Others have pointed out we are guard heavy. EG obviously sees this. What will he do about it? Almost as fascinating as the question of what he'd do with the 5. I don't think he can even PONDER making this move unless there were a part two.

And I hope that NY and Javaris do not get shown the door. I like developing young guys, we just haven't done it very well to date.

Posted by: psdfx | June 24, 2009 5:33 PM

The MLE could have been used to resign Mason, but the Wizards thought Dixon was better?

Not even Kal believes that!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 24, 2009 5:34 PM

I know I know they could have resign Mason under the Larry Bird rule since he was their player I was just trying to make a point that the Wizards were not willing to go over the cap last year.

My question is what's changed?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 24, 2009 5:44 PM

Sorry McPoop,

I just get sick and tired of Barno's endless BS

Posted by: slipperyrichard | June 24, 2009 2:17 PM

==========================

Yeah, he pulls the exact same BS over on the Terrapin Insider blog.

Guy must be really starved for attention.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | June 24, 2009 5:50 PM

apparently memories run short around here, regarding the NBA beyond the Wiz...

randy foye had some knee trouble during his 2nd year and started a significant # of games for the first time last year (61). he's already a good player who appears to be trending upward- his numbers here depend on whether flip asks him to shoot, distribute, or approximate his current 16 & 4 game...

he's an upgrade over stevenson, critt, ant daniels, mike james, larry hughes, juan dixon and any other current player or trade prospect.

i believe he's a better all-around option than any of the potential 5th pick players (evans & harden will be gone, so that leaves curry, rubio, hill)

the t'wolves GM is shuffling the deck rapidly to make his mark in the post-mchale era... letting foye go (in favor of rashad mccants and whatever rookie guard they take) is not going to be remembered as his best move

i can't knock the wiz for this move- whatever combo guard/shooter hopes they had in curry or evans/harden (who probably won't be there at 5), they got in foye and miller

Posted by: audiohysteria | June 24, 2009 5:54 PM

The MLE was not used on Mason because it would have put us over the luxury tax for a player that offered no chance at getting to the ECF. Mason is not that good. The Spurs tried to trade him in the Jefferson deal. He's a good 3-point shooter who offers little else. Foye is just as good as Mason -- maybe better. And Miller is certainly better. Get over the Mason deal -- no one thought Dixon was better, he was simply cheaper.

Posted by: Chad32 | June 24, 2009 6:00 PM

Since we have all these brilliant posters here penciling in Miller at the 2 please explain to me how he going to check the following 2's just in the division.

C Lee
J Johnson
D Wade

Yeah that is a winning strategy there.

As for the person that claim Miller is much better Stevenson, who would you rather have guarding Lebron in the 4th?

Yeah start Miller at the 2, damn NBA live coaches.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | June 24, 2009 6:01 PM

letting foye go (in favor of rashad mccants and whatever rookie guard they take) is not going to be remembered as his best move


i beleive mcants was traded to sacto last season

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 24, 2009 6:12 PM

p1funk,
How were we strong at SG?

Posted by: Independent11 | June 24, 2009 5:19 PM

If you count Gil as a SG, then we were pretty strong.

It doesn't matter, though. The point is that with Gil in the backcourt, he is gonna dominate the ball on virtually every possession.

Then factor in Caron Butler's touches.

Then factor in the fact that Jamison is a 4 who plays like a shooting guard, and spends most of his time around the perimeter.

With the array of perimeter-oriented guys that we have in our "Big 3", what do we really need out of a shooting guard?

If we start Mike Miller, like alot of pundits are saying, what we've added is ANOTHER jump shooter that doesn't play D.

You're right when you say Ernie NEEDS to do something to adress our front court. Until that happens this team is status quo.

We can shuffle all sorts of backcourt players in and out of this lineup and it's not gonna make a dent in our standing in the East, because our biggest glaring area of weakness is STILL our biggest glaring area of weakness.

Posted by: p1funk | June 24, 2009 6:17 PM

I love this trade in terms of value received vs. value given up. It is a below average draft and taking a guy at #5 this year is a crapshoot.

Posted by: psdfx | June 24, 2009 5:33 PM

How can you say this is a good trade in terms of value received vs. value given up, and then in the next sentence say that #5 is a crapshoot?

That means we don't actually know what value we gave up. Maybe that #5 pick turns out to be a nobody, but maybe it turns out to be another D-Wade.

Posted by: p1funk | June 24, 2009 6:21 PM

how does this team stop the defending east champs if they re sign turkey? we're a low seed playoff team at best IMO. how can we get past cleve,orl,bos,atl with this lineup of jumpshooting matadors?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 24, 2009 6:23 PM

letting foye go (in favor of rashad mccants and whatever rookie guard they take) is not going to be remembered as his best move

i beleive mcants was traded to sacto last season

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 24, 2009 6:12 PM

my bad- i meant telfair; yikes, they need to draft 2 guards this year...

Posted by: audiohysteria | June 24, 2009 6:24 PM

"In case your pea brain is hung up, LH's last season here was when they last made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs.
Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 23, 2009 10:04 PM

Still the village idiot. Go die swine.

Posted by: Rocc00 | June 23, 2009 11:17 PM "

The real idiots are people such as you who think it's great that Les BouleS not only were the worst team last season, but also got the worst possible pick in the lottery that they just traded away.

Go die pig face.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 24, 2009 6:27 PM

""Don't laugh. Ernie got Caron for Kwame. And that's a fact.
Posted by: satchmore | June 23, 2009 10:26 PM "
And what did LA get for Kwame?
Some dude by the name of Pau Gasol, who just so happens to have a ring now, while Caron's team is lottery bound.
Figure that out.
Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 23, 2009 10:34 PM
I guess I'm supposed to figure out that the Wizards should have held onto Kwame and preserved cap space for Pau Gasol. Seriously, read what you're writing.. you're an idiot.
Posted by: satchmore | June 23, 2009 10:49 PM
"

What you haven't figured out yet is to not constantly harp on what a great trade it was to get Kwame for Caron. Caron is a great individual player, but this team hit the lottery this past season....a season where he was completely healthy.

Not really much to brag about....moron.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 24, 2009 6:28 PM

"You don't mean Jared Jeffries the guy in NY who hasn't done crap ever since he left DC do ya?? Oh crucify EG already for not stepping up!!
Oh and Larry Hughes?? You mean the guy who continued to get hurt and decline ever since he left DC....AND the guy who was eventually replaced by Caron Butler by not having to sign him to a long term deal.
Oh no EG why aren't you stepping up!!! Noooooooo!!
lol @ u
Posted by: Bullzards80 | June 23, 2009 10:02 PM "
"

Hey poop for brains.....it seems not signing LH and Jared Jeffries would have made sense if EG had a crystal ball and knew they were going to get hurt...but he doesn't.

Now, the funny thing is that EG is supposedly trying to get him back.

Speaking of injuries, EG's dumbest move was to give max money to a one dimensional shoot first guard who had a bum leg and has been out 2 seasons with 3 surgeries.

LMAO @ u!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 24, 2009 6:30 PM

How can you say this is a good trade in terms of value received vs. value given up, and then in the next sentence say that #5 is a crapshoot?

That means we don't actually know what value we gave up. Maybe that #5 pick turns out to be a nobody, but maybe it turns out to be another D-Wade.

Posted by: p1funk | June 24, 2009 6:21 PM

Good point, sort of. I haven't read of many experts who think this is even an average draft class. I haven't read of any who think it is a great draft. I have read of a ton who think it is somewhere between bad and worse than bad. So with the #5 being a crapshoot in the best of times, here's what we know: Probably SOMEbody in the top 20 (somebody other than Griffin and perhaps Rubio) will turn out to be good. Perhaps very good. But if the Wizards felt their need was at guard and they picked one, they would have done well to get one as good as Foye. We ended up getting Miller too--quite a throw in.

The Wiz brass reportedly were convinced that nobody they could draft at 5 would help right away.

So let me return the question to you: do YOU honestly think there is a D-Wade-esque talent lurking that would have been available at 5 THIS year? Let's remember before we get all crazy about D-Wade going 5th that there were three phenomenal talents drafted ahead of him (James, Anthony and Bosh).

Do you REALLY think that if that kind of talent were in this draft that we'd have made this deal? I don't.

Posted by: psdfx | June 24, 2009 6:36 PM

The only way this work is if Jamison plays the 3 come off the bench or leave and let Blatche play the 4. Then the Wiz will need a backup 4. Miller is a bench player. How is Foyer better than Young. Under a real coach Young will be a very good player. I don't want to hear about the big 3 anymore. Did anyone watch the big 3 when they played in the allstar game. They looked lost playing with real allstars. All 3 of them. If you are that good to be call the big 3 then when 1 of you go down you still when more than 20 gms. With all that said I still think the Wiz will be very good this year because of the new coach, much improved McGee, Young and Blatche. Now does no hands Haywood get mad when McGee start showing him up like he did with Etan.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | June 24, 2009 6:43 PM

Good trade for next year, but then what? Miller is an unrestricted FA and Foye is a restricted FA (if tendered), and the Wiz have no cap room. A year from now, we may realize we gave away the 5th pick for nothing (1 season rentals).

Posted by: BulletsFan1 | June 24, 2009 7:09 PM

Great trade, Etan, Pech, and Songaila are all garbage.

Yes, they are all big, but they suck. So who cares?

We basically gave up a James Harden or a Tyreke Evans for both Mike Miller and Randy Foye.

I think Tyreke Evans will be a big-time difference maker (at best, maybe a D-Wade impact?)

but not right away, probably in 3 years.

and our team as currently built doesn't have that window of opportunity. AJ is 33... caron is turning 30 next season.

this trade gives us immediate impact and future upside (foye is a legit starter on anyteam)

Posted by: jzafied | June 24, 2009 7:31 PM

There's absolutely no way Eminem and Caron will be playing together long term.

Both are 29, both contracts are up after this season, and both play the same positions.

Who do you keep and who do you trade?

As made clear in today's article, the Suns coveted Caron, and it seems to me that one of these guys will be dealt for Amare soon.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 24, 2009 7:33 PM

"Don't the Wiz have the MLE available which can be used as long as they are still under the luxury cap?"

They're over the luxury tax ceiling, but it doesn't matter because teams can spend the MLE regardless of the tax (as long as they're willing to take the tax hit). The point is that the MLE is all/the most they have to spend and that's not going to be enough to lure Andersen away from Denver (or possibly from another team that has more money to spend). I guarantee you that (A) Denver won't hesitate to match any MLE deal Andersen gets (and, most likely, exceed it) and (B) that id the money is the same in both places, there's no way Andersen is going to leave Denver to come to Washington. The only way the Wiz could get Andersen would be to outbid the Nuggets financially, and they don't have the money to do that.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 24, 2009 7:52 PM

,i>"kal it wasn't obvious b/c i don't know that the nhl,wnba,mls or any othe three letter league don't have the same rules as the nfl."

Fine. So it was only obvious to people who are smarter than you.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 24, 2009 7:54 PM

or more informed on how to decipher an acronym typo jackass

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 24, 2009 8:08 PM

...sorry Lil wood, but you asked for it; in fact we've all been waiting for it!

"Fine. So it was only obvious to people who are smarter than you.
Posted by: kalo_rama | June 24, 2009 7:54 PM"

LMAO...kalo is too funny.

Posted by: oddjob2 | June 24, 2009 8:38 PM

nice cosign handjob2
grow a pair and say it don't wait for it.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 24, 2009 8:43 PM

my bad i meant oddjob2... it was a typo

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 24, 2009 8:46 PM

And what did LA get for Kwame?
Some dude by the name of Pau Gasol, who just so happens to have a ring now, while Caron's team is lottery bound.
Figure that out.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 23, 2009 10:34 PM
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Um, I may be wrong about it but Kobe and Phil may have something to do about Gasol having a ring. Maybe.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | June 24, 2009 9:20 PM

I honestly don't know how this trade will help us unless GA gets hurt then it makes sense; it will be a shame if that is all EG has planned to get us this year.

Posted by: svafai2000 | June 24, 2009 9:28 PM

Back to basketball;

everybody, including me, enjoyed the opportunity to dream a little bit about a superstar at the 5th pick. But we had our enjoyment now, same as the daydreaming of how to spend the money after the lottery ticket you hold hits the big prize. But how many ever hit? The draft is for college stars, not NBA stars. After we watched McGee and Young pushed into heavy minutes this past season and everyone agreed it was too much too soon for them, everyone has to realize the low picks are for greater potential, but NOT necessarily greater rookie performance. In Miller we have a seasoned #5 draft pick (according to wikipedia) and a well-on-his-way #7 pick in Foye. So the guards and small forward are now nailed down: perfect! Everyone knows Grunfeld is going to get another center and PF or two through draft, trades, or free agents, so everyone chill. No need to worry - it is a long summer. Don't forget we already have another tall Russian in Europe too. One or two more moves and we are sitting good, not for the championship maybe, but a strong year. The trade is A-1, primarily because Ernie Grunfeld made it, not a rotisserie league blogger.

Posted by: ragtop4spd | June 24, 2009 9:29 PM

Question:

If we decide not to sign Foye and Miller next year with James gone how much would we be under the cap?

Posted by: svafai2000 | June 24, 2009 9:39 PM

"Um, I may be wrong about it but Kobe and Phil may have something to do about Gasol having a ring. Maybe.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | June 24, 2009 9:20 PM "

The point was that Gasol played a huge role bringing the Lakers a ring.

People can feel good about themselves about trading Kwame for Caron, but LA got an even better deal trading Kwame for Gasol.

I like Caron as a player, but what has Caron helped bring? Two seasons of one and done, and of course, lottery.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 24, 2009 9:43 PM

If we decide not to sign Foye and Miller next year with James gone how much would we be under the cap?

If we allow Foye, Miller, and MJames to walk, then re-sign Brendan and exercise the team options on NY, JC, and JM, we will still be over the cap for 2010-2011.

(Salary info can be found at HoopsHype.com. The salary cap and luxury tax threshold have not been determined yet, but for 2008-2009, they were $58.68 million and $71.15 million, according to Wikipedia.

Posted by: yop32 | June 24, 2009 9:56 PM

The point was that Gasol played a huge role bringing the Lakers a ring.

People can feel good about themselves about trading Kwame for Caron, but LA got an even better deal trading Kwame for Gasol.

I like Caron as a player, but what has Caron helped bring? Two seasons of one and done, and of course, lottery.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 24, 2009 9:43 PM

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So, are you saying that we (the Wiz) should've traded Kwame to the Griz for Gasol?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | June 24, 2009 10:21 PM

Here's my realistic FA wish list:

Brandon Bass
Chris Wilcox
Chris Anderson
Sean May

I think Bass or May could definitely be had for a mid-level contract. Would Wilcox givde us an alumni discount? Man that'd be crucial...Sign pick #32 and Veremeenko and get ready for redemption Wiz fans!

Posted by: elfreako | June 24, 2009 10:32 PM

The point was that Gasol played a huge role bringing the Lakers a ring.

People can feel good about themselves about trading Kwame for Caron, but LA got an even better deal trading Kwame for Gasol.

Posted by: DC_MAN88

No, actually that wasn't the point at all. The point was that Ernie Grunfeld makes excellent trades. Complain about last season all you want, it won't change the fact that Ernie pulled off one of the most lopsided trades in recent history. The Jamison trade was very good as well.

Moving on: I anticipate Washington moves Stevenson (who was originally slated to be part of this trade, before Minn. insisted on Songaila), and the 2nd round pick. It sounds like they're planning to get out of the draft altogether, let's hope they acquire some size.

Posted by: satchmore | June 24, 2009 10:32 PM

"So, are you saying that we (the Wiz) should've traded Kwame to the Griz for Gasol?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | June 24, 2009 10:21 PM "

Did you not get the memo?

I said to those who keep patting EG on the back for the great trade for Caron with Kwame that yes, it was a good trade, but the LA trade was even better. Plus, the Caron trade obviously has not produced dividends in terms of playoff success. So what are people cheering about?

Who knows if EG could have traded Kwame for Gasol, but I do know that Les BouleS could have drafted Gasol instead of Kwame. I don't think Les BouleS even worked Gasol out predraft.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 24, 2009 10:35 PM

Do you REALLY think that if that kind of talent were in this draft that we'd have made this deal? I don't.

Posted by: psdfx | June 24, 2009 6:36 PM

Look, my friend, I don't know what Grunfeld's thinking is, quite frankly. I don't know how to rate his talent evaluation.

I thought it was NUTS for him to splash $160 mill on Arenas and Jamison. Alot of my beef with this trade is wrapped up in that decision; which destined this team to be cash-strapped and fundamentally flawed and unable to win a championship in the league.

Let me put it this way - I would feel better about this team going into the season if the roster had Darius Songalia and Jordan Hill on it instead of Randy Foye and Mike Miller.

I mean what do we do with this personnel?? Do we start Arenas, Foye, Miller, butler and Jamison and roll 3 basketballs out on the court??

What are we supposed to expect from a team that is counting on Brendan Haywood, JaVale McGee, Dominic McGuire and Andray Blatche to provide interior defense, rebounding and low-post scoring??

Ernies' Bucks couldn't win with the all-perimeter dream team, neither could the Suns, neither can the Cavs. And I believe those casts of perimeter guys are more talented than ours.

Once again, I'm waiting for another big trade - one that will bring in a legit low-post scoring and rebounding presence. Until that happens, I can't get excited about a team that looks to be good enough to get bounced in the second round.

Posted by: p1funk | June 24, 2009 10:36 PM

For your consideration: "Mike Miller shoots":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjKk092NupI

Posted by: satchmore | June 24, 2009 10:37 PM

"No, actually that wasn't the point at all. The point was that Ernie Grunfeld makes excellent trades. Complain about last season all you want, it won't change the fact that Ernie pulled off one of the most lopsided trades in recent history. The Jamison trade was very good as well.

Moving on: I anticipate Washington moves Stevenson (who was originally slated to be part of this trade, before Minn. insisted on Songaila), and the 2nd round pick. It sounds like they're planning to get out of the draft altogether, let's hope they acquire some size.

Posted by: satchmore | June 24, 2009 10:32 PM "

Depends on how you define great.

Sure, those players have had individual success.

Team success, which is what really counts?

Not so great.

EG can swing a good trade here and there, although I'd rather have Devin Harris on this team than MeTawn, but EG sure as heck sucks with regard to overpaying Les BouleS free agents (MeTawn, Gilby, DS, and AB), drafting (OPech, Peter John Ramos, NY, etc.), letting players that are highly valued by other teams walk without compensation (Mason, LH, and JJ), and FA acquisitions (Dee Brown Jr. among others).

BTW, keep dreaming about "moving on" with EG moving MeShawn. Nobody tendered an offer to MeShawn when he was a free agent, and now, with his sorry shooting streak, bad back, and inflated salary....who in their right mind would want him now?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 24, 2009 10:44 PM

Sure, those players have had individual success.

Team success, which is what really counts?

Not so great.

Posted by: DC_MAN88

This is the simply lamest argument you've ever made.

Yes, team success matters. Tell me how much team success you think the Wizards would have had grooming Devin Harris for years, coming of the bench to spell Arenas. Heck, let's say they traded Arenas to start Harris during that stretch. With no Jamison, because the trade shouldn't have happened, right? You think 19 wins is bad, that would've been God awful.

And sure, they should've held onto Kwame for years, for "team success", for the opportunity to obtain Gasol. Maybe.

Agreed, team success is important.

Posted by: satchmore | June 24, 2009 10:54 PM

"This is the simply lamest argument you've ever made.

Yes, team success matters. Tell me how much team success you think the Wizards would have had grooming Devin Harris for years, coming of the bench to spell Arenas. Heck, let's say they traded Arenas to start Harris during that stretch. With no Jamison, because the trade shouldn't have happened, right? You think 19 wins is bad, that would've been God awful.

And sure, they should've held onto Kwame for years, for "team success", for the opportunity to obtain Gasol. Maybe.

Agreed, team success is important.

Posted by: satchmore | June 24, 2009 10:54 PM "

The lamest argument you've ever made is right here where you're basing your weak argument on your theory about "grooming Devin Harris for years."

The only thing worth discussing are the facts, and that is with Caron and MeTawn and Gilby healthy, they all get good numbers, but the team did absolutely nothing in the playoffs, and last season, when two all stars were completely healthy and had great individual numbers again, they led the team into the lottery.....losing not just to great teams, but to piss poor sorry ones too.

No hypothetical theories there....just facts.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 24, 2009 11:06 PM

The lamest argument you've ever made is right here where you're basing your weak argument on your theory about "grooming Devin Harris for years."

Posted by: DC_MAN88

You're getting confused, that was your argument. My argument was that Ernie Grunfeld makes great trades. And I'm right.

But as long as you're entertaining us, go ahead and spell it out: what exactly are you saying the Wizards should have done? Obviously you think they should have kept Devin Harris. Harris did not produce overnight for Dallas, and he wouldn't in D.C. Arguably he would've taken longer to mature here. And you must be upset about this latest trade, so by all means, share your feelings. We're here to help.

Posted by: satchmore | June 24, 2009 11:18 PM

What you haven't figured out yet is to not constantly harp on what a great trade it was to get Kwame for Caron. Caron is a great individual player, but this team hit the lottery this past season....a season where he was completely healthy.

Not really much to brag about....moron.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 24, 2009 6:28 PM

Did you not get the memo?

I said to those who keep patting EG on the back for the great trade for Caron with Kwame that yes, it was a good trade, but the LA trade was even better. Plus, the Caron trade obviously has not produced dividends in terms of playoff success. So what are people cheering about?

Who knows if EG could have traded Kwame for Gasol, but I do know that Les BouleS could have drafted Gasol instead of Kwame. I don't think Les BouleS even worked Gasol out predraft.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 24, 2009 10:35 PM

The point was that Gasol played a huge role bringing the Lakers a ring.

People can feel good about themselves about trading Kwame for Caron, but LA got an even better deal trading Kwame for Gasol.

I like Caron as a player, but what has Caron helped bring? Two seasons of one and done, and of course, lottery.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 24, 2009 9:43 PM

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First in regards to the Wizards drafting Kwame over Gasol. EG was not the GM. Unless I misunderstood your point, the point you made was irrelevant.

Second, did the Lakers need Kwame to make the Gasol trade work? would the grizzlies still have made the trade if Butler was in there instead of Kwame?

Lastly. You make the point that gasol played a huge role in bringing a ring to la. You also say that Caron is a great individual player but was not enough to bring the wizards to the playoffs.

All you've proven is that gasol can contribute to a championship team and that Caron is not good enough to lead a team from the bottom all the way to the playoffs without a supporting cast. There's no evidence that we should have held on to Kwame in there. No evidence that it wasn't a good trade.

Maybe LA had a better trade (maybe??? highway robbery...), but that doesn't diminish the quality of the trade EG made.

Posted by: crs-one | June 24, 2009 11:19 PM

Yeah, he pulls the exact same BS over on the Terrapin Insider blog.

Guy must be really starved for attention.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | June 24, 2009 5:50 PM

This is hilarious coming from the one person that is universally despised by everyone over at the Terrapin Insider blog. Go do some more acid and brag about it on a blog again tough guy.

Posted by: Barno1 | June 24, 2009 11:27 PM

Arenas
Miller
Butler
Jamison
Haywood


Foye
Young
McGee
Blatche
McGee

Posted by: photoassign | June 24, 2009 11:35 PM

Arenas
Miller
Butler
Jamison
Haywood


Foye
Young
McGuire
Blatche
McGee


sorry

Posted by: photoassign | June 24, 2009 11:36 PM

What about Kwame for the MLE, young defensive rebounding legit Big ? Good trade, swap DSteve for Dsong and it's almost perfect. I wish we went after Rondo instead. Caron out Amare in?? Gasol vs Caron arguement is just dumb. Odom for Shaq best trade ever? ... Each team got a ring with the centerpeice of the trade. It's a Fact, and I can't think of another.

Bench is nice
Foye NY McGuire Blatche/ Mcgee/Kwame

Don't discount that next year we will have an actual coaching staff, with plays and strategy

Posted by: Chocolate_City | June 24, 2009 11:45 PM

Seems like DeShawn Stevenson is being overlooked a lot by the readers. Personally, I think he's a quality player IF he is playing along side a superstar PG. But when Arenas is out and he's asked to create his own shot, that's when things start to break down for him.

That said, he shouldn't be overlooked simple bc he had surgery last year.

Posted by: Barno1 | June 24, 2009 11:54 PM

Brandon Bass and Drew Gooden are two players that can help the Wiz. The mid-level exemption with either player is the way to go to make the Wiz very competitive and do more than just make the playoffs in the East.

Posted by: JoeC2 | June 25, 2009 12:30 AM

This is hilarious coming from the one person that is universally despised by everyone over at the Terrapin Insider blog. Go do some more acid and brag about it on a blog again tough guy.

Posted by: Barno1 | June 24, 2009 11:27 PM

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Again, just more lies and lies from someone who is off his rocker.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | June 25, 2009 12:34 AM

The BOTTOM LINE regarding the Wiza trade is that they could've gotten more in TODAY'S MARKET. We've seen two major deals the past few days involving contenders who have fleeced their counterparts, i.e., Cavaliers, Spurs. I'm not saying necessarily that the Wiz's is a BAD trade per se, but it isn't a steal as we've seen other teams pull off in recent days. That is the reflection of the of the market...

So now we wait and see if EG can pull of such a lopsided trade/steal in our favor with the remaining James chip (expiring contract) to bring in a big, rugged player.

And as I've said before, Foye is the "wild card" in this deal. Does he elevate his game in the same way that Caron Butler elevated his game here in Washington? That remains to be seen...but will ultimately determine the long end implications of the deal.

Posted by: humen8r | June 25, 2009 8:45 AM

All you've proven is that gasol can contribute to a championship team and that Caron is not good enough to lead a team from the bottom all the way to the playoffs without a supporting cast. There's no evidence that we should have held on to Kwame in there. No evidence that it wasn't a good trade.
Maybe LA had a better trade (maybe??? highway robbery...), but that doesn't diminish the quality of the trade EG made.
Posted by: crs-one | June 24, 2009 11:19 PM

Nicely put crs-one. douchbag88 is a Wiz terrorist who usually rant without any validity. He's like bin laden with those tapes.

Once his body of rants are illuminated, he usually pays.

Posted by: Rocc00 | June 25, 2009 11:03 AM

BTW, keep dreaming about "moving on" with EG moving MeShawn. Nobody tendered an offer to MeShawn when he was a free agent, and now, with his sorry shooting streak, bad back, and inflated salary....who in their right mind would want him now?
Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 24, 2009 10:44 PM

Funny all I see is u yakking MeC88 all the time - right Jannie Brady?
As to DS - as a sucka, u should know that there is 1 born every minute.

Posted by: Rocc00 | June 25, 2009 11:07 AM

If we decide not to sign Foye and Miller next year with James gone how much would we be under the cap?

If we allow Foye, Miller, and MJames to walk, then re-sign Brendan and exercise the team options on NY, JC, and JM, we will still be over the cap for 2010-2011.

(Salary info can be found at HoopsHype.com. The salary cap and luxury tax threshold have not been determined yet, but for 2008-2009, they were $58.68 million and $71.15 million, according to Wikipedia.

Thanks for the info

Posted by: svafai2000 | June 25, 2009 12:09 PM

This is ok, but i think we gotta package a big deal.
1)James, Stevenson for Larry Hughes
or
2)James, Stevenson, Nick or Foye for Rip
or
3) (my Favorite)
Jamison, Foye or Young, Blatche, James, maybe Stevenson(i dont like him btw) for Boozer and Milsap

Posted by: rico002 | June 25, 2009 3:38 PM

"3) (my Favorite)
Jamison, Foye or Young, Blatche, James, maybe Stevenson(i dont like him btw) for Boozer and Milsap"

Posted by: rico002 | June 25, 2009 3:38 PM

I assume that is a joke, cuz there is no way Utah trades away BOTH Milsap and Boozer.

However, staying on that subject, I think the Wiz should make an offer to Milsap. Even though Utah definitely wants to keep him, they are having Lux Tax issues and forcing them to make a decision on Milsap's worth (in all likelihood Detroit will do this first) would probably push them to do something with Boozer or AK47.

Don't forget they also have to decide what to do about Okur and Kyle Korver. An expiring contract could be very tempting for the Jazz if they want to keep a chunk of this team together for 2-3 more years.

Posted by: SportzWiz | June 25, 2009 5:54 PM

As a TWolves fan and a Flip fan (thus now a Wizard's fan, although tough call with KG still in Boston), this looks good for both teams, even with us getting Ricky. Foye is really good, and comparable to Chauncy Billups as a player who is destined to get better every year and perhaps be an all-star for several years. His defense isn't great, and his problem in Minnesota is he was neither a pure 1 or 2, and he's best on a team with a very strong 1 or 2 that he can rotate time with depending on the situation. He's an all-around good teammate who's nickname here was "Fourth Quarter Foye" as he's good in the clutch. Miller was a bust here, but his track record suggests he could be a great playoff teammate. No head cases, lots of talent, and the right age to compete right now and for the next few years. Minnesota needed to sell tickets, and Rubio will do that, and Minnesota needed major changes just to spark interest in this town, and Rubio (and really, even trades just to shake things up) is what the team needed to get on the local sports radar. It seems win-win based on what we know today, and my hunch is looking back the Wizards have a better chance to look like they got a better career player (in Foye), but Rubio is such an unknown right now, who can tell for sure. Foye is fun to watch, and Flip should get more out of him than any coach has thus far having coached Chauncy for so long.

Posted by: TWolvesFan | June 26, 2009 1:47 AM

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