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Wizards Draft, Trade Chatter

I know the NBA Finals is taking center stage right now, but I also know that people here want to know what's going on with the Wizards. So, I just wanted to send a little update to hold you over for a minute.

The Wizards will begin holding individual and group workouts for the NBA draft Wednesday through Friday next week. Some of the big name prospects, such as Arizona State's James Harden, will be in Washington to audition for the fifth overall pick. When I get an update on all of the players who will be attendance, I'll let you know.

The Wizards sent representatives to both Oakland and Minnesota to watch group workouts this week. Ernie Grunfeld stayed behind, but I hear that he's planning on attending another workout for prospects in New Jersey in a few weeks. These group workouts, with multiple teams scouting the same players is a new system because the Chicago/Orlando pre-draft camp was changed this season from a series of scrimmages into a Chicago draft combine, in which players didn't compete against each other and ran individual drills. If you want to know more about some of the prospects, there is an awesome breakdown on DraftExpress.com. You can also check out the combine data and you'll see that Harden is a better athlete than originally thought.

I know this is a great time for rumors to get started and dream scenarios to get concocted, but I'm still baffled by all of the baseless rumors about Amare Stoudemire coming to the Wizards. I know Stoudemire made his now infamous comments about loving D.C. last week, and there was another rumor put out this week about the Suns trying to pry the No. 5 pick and Caron Butler for Stoudemire. But yesterday, Phoenix Suns General Manager Steve Kerr shot down all that chatter. Without naming teams, he essentially said that he never engaged in discussions with the Wizards about Stoudemire.

"There's a lot of stuff flying around out there that has no basis," Kerr told the Arizona Republic. "There's just a ton of speculation but there really is nothing substantial going on. With most of these deals being speculated about, I haven't even had a conversation with the opposing team. I read this stuff and laugh."

By Michael Lee  |  June 5, 2009; 1:48 PM ET
 
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no General Manager would admit to there being any trade talk

but with the Laws of Attraction, i seriously still think theres a chance we land the star power forward, but it still wont push us over the edge :)

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | June 5, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

What about David Lee Mike? since the Knicks want steph Curry, they could move up and take the 5th while we get Lee. Also, may be we can throw an Etan contract or Mike James contract.

Posted by: brandonjamal13 | June 5, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Yeah make that trade and the Wizards will be the laughing stock of the league,of course Steve Kerr is going to deny the rumour this is a fleecing waiting to happen Amare is damaged goods except our dumb azz GM ain't got a clue.Grunfeld needs to focus on the draft and trying to get Flip some help belive me he's gonna need it.

Posted by: dargregmag | June 5, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Second and third the trade suggestion for David Lee...if NY want Steph Curry who seems to be a great fit for D'Antoni's offense and Lee is due for a big deal in 2010, I'd think that NY migh be interested in deal where we could dump Etan or Mike James' expiring contract on them as well.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 5, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

BTW, Bosh announced yesterday he has no interest in a contract extension with Toronto. I'm sure he's got LeBron on his Fave Five and is probably going to follow him to NY in 2010. Hopefully, the Wiz won't be foolish enough to part with the No. 5 pick to rent Bosh for a year, but EG seems committed to a last ditch effort with the current core group.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 5, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I heard rumors about the mavericks contacting the wizards about the 5th pick since they want jordan hill. i heard they might trade josh howard or jason terry for the pick. has anyone else heard about this?

Posted by: BlackHibachi | June 5, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I still say that there is no way we could get Bosh anyway, without getting rid of the only players worth a durn.

However, trading first round picks w/ Toronto and getting Marion, even if we have to part with a Blatche, seems like a good deal.

I know he is damaged, but if he can rest Caron and/or Jamison for 15-20 minutes a game, they are less likely to get hurt. Plus, even though he doesn'thop like old times, he can still the bucket and get a few rebounds and steals.

use Torontoo's 15th or whatever on another PG prospect and see if Gil can't move to 2 once in a while. I suggest Maynor, since I am a VCU alum who has watched him for 4 seasons...3 of which he was AWESOME.

Posted by: Blurred | June 5, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Sorry I meant "Fill the bucket"

Posted by: Blurred | June 5, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

yep. the Mavericks get the 5th pick and Javele in exchange for the rights to Roy Tarpley and a 2011 2nd round pick.

Posted by: the_shocker1 | June 5, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Funny how Ernie sends his assistants to check-out some of the workouts, while he always endures the hardships of having to do the European scouting trips - to Spain, Italy etc......that's how we ended-up with Pech instead of Rondo.

Posted by: closg | June 5, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

no thats retard theres no way the wizards should give up mcgee he will be another dwight howard. they should traded blatche or pech

Posted by: BlackHibachi | June 5, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"I heard rumors about the mavericks contacting the wizards about the 5th pick since they want jordan hill. i heard they might trade josh howard or jason terry for the pick. has anyone else heard about this?

Posted by: BlackHibachi | June 5, 2009 3:11 PM "

Josh Howard should only be considered in a trade to Les BouleS if Les BouleS were seriously considering adding another moron to the roster. Then, Les BouleS could be the next circus act like Barnum & Bailey's.

He's "clearly" Abe's type of guy.

http://www.dallasnews.com/video/index.html?nvid=284004

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 5, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

The Amare talk always makes me cringe. Not only is it unlikely to happen(and including CB in a trade would be foolish), but Amare is a terrible defender. Just look at the way AJ torches him with ease every time they face eachother.

I just hope the Wiz find a way to trade out of the #5 spot and improve their team with immediate help (I'd like it to be someone with mental toughness). If they can pull that off, I don't care which team they make the trade with. Trade up w/Memphis, trade down w/Bucks, Knicks, Mavs, etc., or trade out of the draft.

Just bring in someone who will mixed it up a little. Someone who Gil, AJ, and Caron can all welcome and respect.

Posted by: SportzWiz | June 5, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Grunfeld's style isn't to go around leaking trades to the media. Right now the ESPN guys sit around and dream up stuff to call "insider" information. But most of the stuff you read this time of year is just good natural fertilizer.

Grunfeld's M.O. isn't to trade for an Allstar, he tends to look for guys on the rise, Arenas, Jamison, and Butler were all guys he caught on the way up.

That's why a deal involving Lee from NY could make some sense. I think a lot hinges on what Memphis and OK City do.
Both teams seem to want to move back a few slots and get paid to take the guy they really want.

Memphis and Hill seem to be a good fit, Thabeet would give them two centers and no real power forward. Some think if Memphis doesn't manage to move back a couple of slots they may just pull the trigger on Hill.

OK City seems to be leaning toward Rubio or Harden. There was a rumor floating around that they wanted to deal with the Wiz. Seems like everybody's got the same top 5, just 2-5 are in all different orders.

Thabeet and Rubio could slip a little, or the cost to move up a few slots might not end up being that high. Memphis seems to love to pick up "future considerations"(that means draft picks, instead guys that need to be paid right now) and Cash.

OK City has also had a penchent for piling up future picks. If Ernie is in a win now mode, and the roster's packed with youth, sending along a future number one pick and some of Abe's money might be all it takes to manuver a couple of slots at the top of this draft.

It seems that after Griffin there's a lot of teams looking at different players. Figuring out who Ernie really wants is the 64 dollar question.

I still think it's Thabeet, the guy fits the defensive system that Flip's ran before. The Wiz need defensive rebounding, lane presense and shotblocking, there's not another guy in the draft that provides it. That's my little dose of Tomato Food, and you didn't even have to pay anything to get it.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | June 5, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Hmm... David Lee instead of Amare Stoudemire...

...Shawn Marion instead of Chris Bosh...

Do you people not understand that the "Curse O' Les Boulez" was spelled with trading young/big for old/small?

For Pete's sake these are the Wizards, not the Redskins!

Posted by: mabkhar | June 5, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

why would the wiz take Thabeet? We already have him, his name is Brendan Haywood.

Posted by: the_shocker1 | June 5, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

"Just look at the way AJ torches him with ease every time they face eachother.

Posted by: SportzWiz | June 5, 2009 4:04 PM "

And how easily does everyone else in the league torch MeTawn? Very...

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 5, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Mike thanks for the update....can you give Gilbert a call and see where he's at physically and what he's been up to?

He's been unusually incognito for a while now.

Posted by: insanity999 | June 5, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

While I don't doubt that the Suns would be willing to trade Stoudemire, I seriously doubt the Wizards have anything that would make it worth their while.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 5, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Not saying Marion INSTEAD of Bosh...only that Bosh is not an option. If we can get Bosh and trade picks with toronto and not give up McGee, Tawn, Gil or Butler, then get it.

And even if Blatche is going to be great someday...it ain't gonna be with the Wiz. I hate to see such raw talent go, but it isn't getting much prettier after what? 5 years?

Marion is a serious player with good skills and a lot of heart. He will be better next year and maybe for 2 or 3 than anything in this draft. Griffin is good, but would be a low teen pickup in most draft years.

Plus, the curse goes back to John Hot-Plate Williams - drafted straight out of college, a Sophomore if I recall. The buzz on him was LSU would have one or two national championships had he stayed, see how well that worked out? Can't get much younger than that...except for a #1 pick named Kwame.

Not about old vs young, but having a good blend. Marion could even help extend Tawns glory days by a year or two by giving him a breather.

Posted by: Blurred | June 5, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

if the wizards were to get any onw good this off-season they should get a vetern 2 guard that can lead nick young because he really has potential. id say try and get richard hamilton from detriot for maybe the 5th pick n we could throw in mike james n etans exparing contract because detroit trying to free up sapce for the summer of 2010.

Posted by: BlackHibachi | June 5, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Trading for Amare is a terrible idea. An even worse idea is giving up CB3.

If we are to ship off any of the "big (No D) 3", it should be ATJ.

On the trade front, I think we should draft someone instead..... No need to waste a future pick, cash or Nick Youngs ADD meds when theres no clear cut #2 in this draft.

I would be happy with Hill or Harden. Both are top 5 worth players (probably top 12 last years draft) and could see 10-15 min per game this year.

Though we do desperately need a 3 point threat (not a gunner like ATJ). Not much help in that aspect in this draft though unless you take string bean Stephan (Curry)

Posted by: m1ke3i6 | June 5, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Getting Hamilton would be awesome! Too bad we didn't draft him and have him play here during his peak years.

Posted by: Blurred | June 5, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Alright, I think I've killed the last half hour of this work week. Trade down, get some value and draft Maynor...he is a lights out 3 shooter that can run a floor, get steals and keep the handle.

Posted by: Blurred | June 5, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I saw we trade Mike James and Etan's expiring contract along with the 5th pick and Javarias Crittendon for Dwayne Wade.

I think Miami is down on him because he hasnt won anything yet. He is the type of young player that is on the rise but not at his peake that our GM Bernie Gramfield, likes.

We just have to be carful with Etan, look what happend to Kwomee Brown, he turned really good when he left, maybe Etan will turn into an all star too. He is big and smart to boot!

Posted by: LoJankFilDee19338333 | June 5, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

i wish but thats the only player miami has. no way miami is giving up wade not even for lebron

Posted by: BlackHibachi | June 5, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I saw we trade Mike James and Etan's expiring contract along with the 5th pick and Javarias Crittendon for Dwayne Wade.

I think Miami is down on him because he hasnt won anything yet. He is the type of young player that is on the rise but not at his peake that our GM Bernie Gramfield, likes.

We just have to be carful with Etan, look what happend to Kwomee Brown, he turned really good when he left, maybe Etan will turn into an all star too. He is big and smart to boot!

Posted by: LoJankFilDee19338333 | June 5, 2009 5:17 PM

lmao for the rest of the year!!

Posted by: mrhney03 | June 5, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Trading for Bosh, Marion, Amare, Hamilton etc. is just the sort of dumb, .500-ball bar setting, Bob Ferry-era decision we don't need. Our top four players have already seen their best years, and trading for another player on the down slope will only accelerate our fall. There will likely be a few bona-fide stars available at our pick, and into the middle of the first round. Who he will be is hard to gauge, it is always something of a crapshoot, although personally I'd swing for higher boom-bust risk, star potential (Derozan, Jennings, Evans) over safe-with-a-ceiling options such as Hill, Curry, Henderson, etc. Hill strikes me as another Andray Blatche, too skinny, tantalizing potential mixed with maddening apathy, etc. I just do not feel he has, or is willing to work to have, the potential to by one of the premier players at his position. In college he seemed to play down to the competition, and never took over any of the three games I watched (which I believe one should reasonably expect for a top five choice). Harden I'm still feeling out, although he sure tanked in the NCAA tournament. I'm all for trading down a few spaces if it allows us to trade up from the early 2nd into the late first. This draft is weak at the top of the first, but strong at the end of the first. Ellington, Psycho, Mills, Gani Lawal, Collison could all be exceptional pick-ups at the end of round one/early two, and may even end up having more impact on our team than our #5. I say stick with our draft choices and leave aging and/or injury history and/or one-and-done-in-free-agency falling stars to other perennial losers.

Posted by: SammyT1 | June 5, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Eg should consider a trade with the knicks for the #5 for the #8.

Wiz get Jeffries, Hughes and Nate Robinson (sign and trade).

Knicks get Nick Young, plus Etan and James expiring contracts.

Knicks than flip the #5, $3m, and Mobleys contract that is paid by insurance to Memphis for the #2 and Darko and pick Rubio. Memphis picks Evans and Mayo slides over to play SG.

Wiz get two guys who know the wiz players and fit right in, plus a 6th man who can score plus maybe Derozan. hughes contract expires at end of the year so they get cap relief too.

memphis saves money and still gets a similar player at 5 as it would at 2.

knicks get a star quality PG and no harm to the 2010 plan to bring in LeBron.

Posted by: wizfanatic | June 5, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I hope you're kidding. Jeffries was another in the long line of underachieving Washington draft picks. They wanted him to be Tayshaun Prince so bad, but he played more like Purple Rain Prince. And Hughes is a Doctor's dream/Insurance company nightmare. I like Robinson, but we don't need his shoot first, second, and third mentality. Plus, he'll have a short shelf life. The amount of times he dunks has to be doing serious damage to his knees. It's cool how far up he gets, but that also means he has a lot further down to go. One bad knee injury, and Robinson is done.

Posted by: CJHutch7673 | June 5, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Why take Thabeet when we have Haywood?

Did you happen to notice how the Wiz did playing Songaila, Blatche, and a raw McGee at center? Center is the one position that you really have to have filled in order to play good defense. Last year the Wiz's lane looked like an expressway.

Haywood has never been more then a thirty minute a night player. The upper end of his production is about a 10/8 guy. I agree with the guys that will point out how much better the Wiz are on those nights when Haywood plays close to 40 min. Then he puts up more like 15/10 and made the Wiz a remarkably better team. He just doesn't do it more then about 15-25 time a year.

Haywood/Etan actually made a pretty decent tag team, when they weren't fighting each other, before Etan's lost two seasons. Not great, but good enough to fill the five on a 40 some win playoff team.

I'm one that's not willing to beleive that Etan's capable of returning to being relied on for 15-20 minutes a night.

I really like McGee, but really see him as more of a Varejao or in the the role that a young Rodman and John Salley filled back on the "Bad Boy" Pistons. If he turns out to be a true center, there's no better place to be in basketball then to have too many centers.

Besides Haywood will be a FA next year. If he has a decent year, can they resign him? He he asks 10-12m a year for 4-5 years, do they want to? Look around, those are Kaman and Miller dollars. Does Ernie want to tie up those dollars in Haywood?

Thabeet seems well suited to Flip's past defensive schemes, the guy has shown a penchent for going big in the past and the Wiz aren't big now. A healthy Haywood and Thabeet could really change that for the better.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | June 5, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Trade the 1st round pick + Blatch & James for a seasoned vet. Get Eric Maynor!

Posted by: wiz_fan | June 5, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Thabeet makes the most since to me. Though, that may clearly move McGee to PF and possibly force AJ to small forward, so that JM and AB has adequate time at PF. That, also moves CB to the 2, forcing JC for definite backup behind Gill.

NY and DS backs up the 2. and DOM can float 3/4.

All that being said we need to also bring in a body with our second pick that is an upgrade over Etan, Dson, Peck, and MJ.

This is where Ernie earns his money.

Also, if we sign Thabeet, the ramifications it does to our playing positions hopefully for the better will require every once of ingenuity from our new coaching staff.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 5, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

whats wrong with signing haywood for 10-12Mill? If that's the price for an average center then fine. It took haywood a few years to get competent, I'd rather have haywood than 2 raw rooks learning on our prime years with aj, gil, and cb.

I love the comment about EG buying players on the rise. If we're going for a guard then Felton and Brewer might fit the mold of a riser if we can't get Hardin.

Posted by: cballer | June 5, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Trading for Bosh, Marion, Amare, Hamilton etc. is just the sort of dumb, .500-ball bar setting, Bob Ferry-era decision we don't need.

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Posted by: SammyT1 | June 5, 2009 6:08 PM

All Ferry did was make the moves that won the Bullets their only championship in 1978 and made them as dominant a team as any in the NBA during the seventies. Far from trashing him, we should wish for the kind of success that the franchise enjoyed during his tenure.

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 5, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Bosh + Toronto #1 pick for Butler and Wiz #1. It is too crowded at small otherwise. Bosh must agree to a long term contract. With Hayward for a full season, this move puts them past Cleveland. With the Toronto pick they take Lawson. He will be a very good pro.

Posted by: NewThoughts | June 5, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

I think this is my favorite time of year for reading people's posts, it simply doesn't get any more entertaining than this. You gotta love the proposals that the Wiz pick up David Lee - I've heard that the Knicks are really salivating over Pecherov! They're really itching to lose their best player. What's that? Somebody said they heard that Dallas contacting the Wizards about trading Josh Howard for a #5 pick in the weakest draft in years? Oh, yeah.. I think I heard that too! Jared Jefferies, Richard Hamilton, Shawn Marion - welcome aboard! But the cake is taken by the comment about how the Wizards are too old, they need to move the older players out and bring in some youth. Well, that's the lesson of the 2008-2009 season in a nutshell, isn't it?

Posted by: satchmore | June 6, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

And to the fellow who said that Haywood was never more than a "10/8 guy" - if you want to know what difference Haywood makes to this team, look no further than the difference in win/loss numbers between this season and last. The loss of Haywood was the only significant difference in the makeup of the team this season.

Posted by: satchmore | June 6, 2009 12:42 AM | Report abuse

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And to the fellow who said that Haywood was never more than a "10/8 guy" - if you want to know what difference Haywood makes to this team, look no further than the difference in win/loss numbers between this season and last. The loss of Haywood was the only significant difference in the makeup of the team this season.

Posted by: satchmore | June 6, 2009 12:42 AM "

I agree.

If BTH returns to the form he had 2 seasons ago, teams will be throwing big money at him when FA hits.

Les BouleS might have to draft Thabeet b/c they won't be able to afford both Caron and BTH.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 6, 2009 2:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure why people are sleeping on Austin Daye. The Wiz are talking about Hill who Daye killed when they went head to head. Daye will be a 3 in the NBA. 6'10", long, can shoot,handle and athletic. He will be a star about the time Jamison is done (next year).

The Wiz have to get bigger and more athletic if they want to complete. You have to look at the up and coming teams. With Gil, Butler, Young, McGee, McGuire, Crit and maybe Blatche that's a good start. Daye would further compliment that lineup with Flips style of play.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | June 6, 2009 7:04 AM | Report abuse

"Daye will be a 3 in the NBA. 6'10", long, can shoot,handle and athletic. He will be a star about the time Jamison is done (next year).

Posted by: rnbrown4 | June 6, 2009 7:04 AM "

First of all, Les BouleS don't need any more 1's, 2's, or 3's.

Second of all, if you can predict that this dude will be a star in this league, then you should also be winning the lottery every week also.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 6, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

A versatile Big Mean Tough Guy.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 6, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

satchmore,
I in no way meant to demean Haywood's importance to the team. I've been one of the few people on here for the last few years that have been saying Haywood's value to the team is under appreciated.

But if Haywood would go down again, opposing gaurds will be flying down the lane with no one to stop them. And Haywood has never been a 40 minute a night guy, and I don't think that will change at this point of his career.

But if the Wiz go into next season with McGee, Songaila, & Blatche as Haywood's backups that could be a major weakness if Haywood would get hurt again. The Wiz are just not big enough up front.

Thabeet backing up a healthy Haywood changes the Wizards' rotations for the better. Songaila playing 5-10 minutes a night as a backup 4 is an effective player. Songaila playing 30 a night at center isn't an effective player.

For all the carping about Blatche not being tough enough, and not stepping up, the kid has played most of his minutes out of position at center the past couple of years. I'll bet you Randy Wittman gets him in shape and we see a greatly improved player next fall.

And 88er, watching how Flip deploys his players in the past, I think you'll finally get your wish and Blatche will see some minutes at the 3 on a Suanders coached team.

My guess is still that Grunfeld has targeted Thabeet. And that's still just a guess, but as Larry laid it out, a Haywood/Thabeet tandom at center changes rotation at every other position. I think for the better.

This team turns it around, grabs a home seat in the playoffs and goes a few rounds in, then maybe Butler and Haywood decide to "buy in" to the turn around and resign for reasonable dollars.

This team eeks in again with Haywood being the only center on a defensively challenged roster, I'd color him gone.
Then what do the Wiz do for a center?

I think it is a big enough need that Ernie would be justified in paying the price to move up if he has to to get him. But he may not have to.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | June 6, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

GM - Great analysis as usual. I'm just not completely convinced that our greatest need is a backup at the 5. I still worry about a reliable starter at the 2. As much as I like DM, I think he is better suited as a back-up to Caron at the 3. NY is not ready to be a starter, and we have no idea of how effective DS will be in the Fall (if the DS on the 2007-2008 season shows up we will be OK, but that is by no means certain)... If DS isn't back in form, that leaves us with MJ as the prospective starter at the 2 - and we know how that worked out last year... This leads me to wonder whether we should be targeting Harden rather than Thabeet...

Posted by: pk24 | June 6, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

"All Ferry did was make the moves that won the Bullets their only championship in 1978 and made them as dominant a team as any in the NBA during the seventies. Far from trashing him, we should wish for the kind of success that the franchise enjoyed during his tenure."

The Bullets signed their two most important players - Elvin Hayes and Wes Unseld - before Ferry was GM. Admittedly, Ferry managed to put enough good players around them to win that one championship and get to another, but he inherited the crucial core. He then proceeded to unravel the team in the 1980s, trading away first round draft picks for aging stars, Gus Williams, Bernard King, Moses Malone, initiating the 30-year mess of an organization we've grown to love. Those that would have us trade a number five and perhaps our last first round pick, Mcgee, for an aging star would do well to revisit the lessons of the 80s Bullets.

Posted by: SammyT1 | June 6, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Afternoon All,
Been a while since I posted, hope everyone is well.

With respect to GM, I don't believe Haywood has been limited to 20-25 min a game due to fatigue or foul trouble problems. The year before last when Etan was out, BH averaged about 28 min a game but all the preceding years he is closer to 20 a game. EJ never clicked with BH and was very careful to balance his minutes with Etan's. Additionally, the Princeton offense, at least as run here, seemed to mandate the center never touch the ball unless he managed to get an offensive rebound. This translated to a career .527 shooter having virtually zero plays called for him. So, against the tide of opinion I believe Haywood's career numbers are somewhat artificial due to these factors.

Regarding shooting guard, if we are standing pat with Gil, AJ and CB (I refuse to call them the big 3), I say start Nick Young with Gil. They seem to be pretty tight and if Gil is actually able to play this year I could see the two of them developing some chemistry. Flushing the notion of any defense being played which most seem resided to already.

I would take Evans with the pick, I like a freak athlete who can play a couple of spots and he might help some of our young kids locate the weight room. Personally, I see Thabeet as an accident waiting to happen; he looks physically unsteady in the few times I have seen him play.

I have no clue on what is possible for us via trade/free agency. I assume we have no chance of acquiring someone like Ron Artest...maybe Chris Wilcox? Team is way too nice and needs somebody with a nasty attitude on the court and the body to back it up.

I am optimistic about Saunders coming in and I like the assistants as well. I wish to God they would also change the uniforms.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | June 6, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"And 88er, watching how Flip deploys his players in the past, I think you'll finally get your wish and Blatche will see some minutes at the 3 on a Suanders coached team.

Posted by: flohrtv | June 6, 2009 8:53 AM "

Actually, I prefer AB at the 4 as I think he can play back to the basket and can pass out during double teams. I don't like seeing him at the 5.

AB does not have the footspeed or quickness in my mind to play the 3.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 6, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not sure why people are sleeping on Austin Daye." -rnbrown4

A quick check on Daye; he is described as brittle, fragile and recent knee surgery. Has some positives but a 6'10" skeletal frame that's not likely to pick up much more than the 190lbs it supports now is a very long shot to make it in the NBA.

Posted by: midlevex | June 6, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Flohrtv, I see what you're saying about the advantages of having a solid backup big-man. I agree that Songaila shouldn't be at the 5 spot (though he gave a valiant effort in that position this season). But the Wizards have multiple talented big men who can play the 4 or 5, and all of them have more professional experience than Thabeet. And all of them need more experience. For those reasons and others, I just don't see the Wizards giving Thabeet backup minutes that could go to someone else.

I'm starting to buy into the Tyreke Evans talk. What I like about him, from what little I've seen, is that he plays with a lot of energy, and he can score, but more importantly for this squad, he's a good defender. The Wizards' current SGs are like flip sides of the same sorry coin - Young can score (though he's inconsistent), and Stevenson can defend (though he's inconsistent).

What I would like even more than drafting Evans, though, would be if they traded the #5 pick along with a player (personally, I would drop Stevenson in a heartbeat) for a veteran SG who can play D, who can at least help create shots for others (if not create his own). I have high hopes for Nick Young, especially now that he'll be playing alongside Arenas - but obviously, that bottle needs a little more time in the cellar.

Posted by: satchmore | June 6, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

SHADOW:

Where's RICK MAHORN when you need him?

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 6, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm another that doesn't get why there's so much Haywood bashing here.
Before last year he was a very good center. Not dominating but he made the rest of the team better on both ends of the floor. I'm pretty sure that we will be seeing the tag team of Brendan & Etan next season. And it can be effective if Etan can return to before surgery form. Brendan will be playing for the big bucks contract and should have good production if healthy. That's a big IF with this team. I think IF AJ,CB,GA,DS&BH can remain healthy all season that this team can for sure open at home in the playoffs. IF 1 or 2 go down for an extended period----all bets are off. Flip will be COY IF the Wizzies stay healthy.

Posted by: VBFan | June 6, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

"I'm another that doesn't get why there's so much Haywood bashing here. Before last year he was a very good center. Not dominating but he made the rest of the team better on both ends of the floor. I'm pretty sure that we will be seeing the tag team of Brendan & Etan next season. And it can be effective if Etan can return to before surgery form. VBfan"

The thing that surprises me about Haywood is how big he is. He's one of those heavy-built guys so he doesn't look as long as some of the other centers, but his extended reach is the same as Thabeet's so he can alter shots without jumping. That keeps him in games where other, more athletic shotblockers would get in foul trouble.

I hate to say it, but I suspect Etan is done. He had a leaky valve in his aorta and it's a miracle the guy came back at all. I'm sure he's capable of the periodic big performance but over the course of a season, where's his stamina going to come from?

With Haywood possibly leaving and Thomas a shadow of his former self, I can see the Wiz drafting Thabeet if he's there, even though Jordan Hill or Harden might be a better fit.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 6, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I hate to say it, but I suspect Etan is done. He had a leaky valve in his aorta and it's a miracle the guy came back at all. I'm sure he's capable of the periodic big performance but over the course of a season, where's his stamina going to come from?
Samson151

Etan played with energy before he went out after coming back from the BIG surgery.
Thw Wizzies don't need "big performances" from him but he needs to play at a high energy level and spell Brendan for 4 or 5 minutes a quarter. That's where he can be effective.
Can he play like he use to???
Other players have come back from similar surgery. Will he????
I don't think EG will go after Thabeet. If he falls to 5 ---- sure but that ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: VBFan | June 6, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

glawrence007,
Yeah, Mahorn and Ruland would certainly make folks consider how bad they wanted to drive the lane. Both were pretty slow though, so a quick man could chance it. To me Ruland had the look of a man who had cleared out a few bars in his day.

Different team but I really liked Xavier McDaniel as the enforcer with the Sonics. He felt sincere...we can do it here on the court or step around the corner and get it worked out that way. Scary man...and had a nice stroke..Bonus!

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | June 6, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

vbfan: "Other players have come back from similar surgery [as Etan]. Will he????"

They have? Mourning had a more serious surgery, but not on the aorta. Who are you thinking of?

I know he's been cleared to play, but I cringe when I watch him.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 6, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

"If you want to know more about some of the prospects, there is an awesome breakdown on DraftExpress.com. You can also check out the combine data and you'll see that Harden is a better athlete than originally thought."

About that DraftExpress breakdown -- some of those numbers seem out of whack. For instance, why do some players get a 1.5" boost in shoes, while others get around 2"? Some shoes have thicker soles than others?

But the comments are helpful -- why Xavier players get higher strength marks than others, for instance. And I note Greivis Vasquez doesn't look like much of an athlete, but then, we already knew that. He's tall enough and does the rest on sheer stamina. It worked for Ginobili...

As far as Harden, the thing he's missing is quickness of foot. Would show up if he were asked to guard Kobe or Derrick Rose, but otherwise he's probably the best player in this draft, in terms of all-around skills.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 6, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I like Harden. Just not sure if he'll be there at 5. He's got the size and frame to be a starter sooner than later, he's got that sweet left handed stroke, he's got long arms and can defend, and he's a smart team oriented player with a solid all-around game.

After Harden I would be looking Evans. Try to get a rebounder in trade, either PF or C.

Posted by: Darnell1 | June 6, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Just a note to all you old school hoop fans a sad note all be it on the passing of Randy Smith a guard for the Buffalo Braves he also played for the Cavaliers,Hawks,and Knicks before retiring in 1983, Randy died Friday of a massive heart attack while working out on a treadmill.Randy Smith was a throwback he could do it on both ends of the floor,he would have given the likes of Arenas and Dwayne Wade all they could handle on any given night he played alongside Bob McAdoo and at 6-3 could jump out the gym!! Randy also held the record for consecutive games played at 907 until AC Green broke that mark while playing for the Lakers. Smith was an amazing defensive player and could score at will he went four straight years averaging twenty pts. a game. Smith was also the MVP of 1978 all star game scoring 27 points,Randy Smith was 60 yrs old.

Posted by: dargregmag | June 6, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Samson151
Ronny Turiaf had some good games after similar surgery.
Alonzo was already NBA old.

Posted by: VBFan | June 6, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Off topic, but it's funny how all the talking head experts were yapping 4 years ago about how ballers who played in the Olympics would hurt themselves and their teams during the NBA season and playoffs because they would be hurt.

Well, after the much ballyhooed 8/8/08 olympics, DHoward, Kobe, Lebron, DWade, Carmelo, Deron, CP, etc. looked pretty good these playoffs.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 6, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

vb: "Samson151 Ronny Turiaf had some good games after similar surgery."

You're right, he did -- good enough to get a big contract from the Warriors. But there were some differences:

Ronnie's problem was an enlargement at the base of the aorta which a number of docs thought didn't require surgery (the Lakers' docs prevailed). He was also 23 at surgery. Thomas' problem was more serious and he was 29 or 30 when surgery was performed. Still, despite the differences, it's a good comparison.

Thing is, Etan hasn't looked like the same player -- outside of the occasional game, that is. He was once an energy guy, and now he's not. Is it the heart? I'm sure he'd insist he's fine. I'm just saying how it looks to me.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 6, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

yea i agree the wizards should just start young with gilbert u see what happen wit mcguire just give young some minutes

Posted by: BlackHibachi | June 6, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I was looking at some comments around the web comparing Tyreke Evans (of Memphis) and DeMar Derozen (of USC). Both players are rated very highly. The consensus seemed to be that Evans has the skills to play in the league right now, and that Derozen, while not as developed a player, has more athleticism and more potential to be a star in the league. I dunno, I like both of them. One thing in Derozen's favor is that he plays the two spot, whereas Evans is more naturally a point guard - I don't see the Wizards moving Arenas to shot guard, and they need someone solid to fill that role.

Posted by: satchmore | June 6, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

satchmore,
Was it Derozen who Michael Lee said was a real card in interviews? While I realize this does not necessarily translate to him being immature or unprofessional, it does make me leery given the locker room reports from the past year.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | June 6, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

I would consider Austin Daye (Darren Daye's son) with our second round pick if he is there but I think he is a mid to late first round pick.
Right now, I am taking a second look at Harden. He can help us more right away than many of the other candidates for the #5 pick(other than perhaps Tyreke Evans.)
If OK City does pick DeRozan it could really shake up the draft.
I like Harden on the defensive end, that is where we need help. However, Jay Bilas did call Tyreke a "lock down defender" on ESPN last month.

Posted by: jeremybozz | June 6, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Aren't people talking about abilities of dudes in the draft that were already existent from someone by the name of DerMarr Johnson during training camp?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 6, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

the combined IQ of people on here has to be less than 8. just sayin....

Posted by: toohoes | June 7, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

"the combined IQ of people on here has to be less than 8. just sayin....

Posted by: toohoes | June 7, 2009 12:01 AM "

LOL!

It was 8 before you, and still 8 with you.

Figure that out.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 7, 2009 1:33 AM | Report abuse

Ernie is not going to change the lineup that much this year. He's going to wait and see wait Flip can do with this team. So your starters will be Gil, Young, Butler, Jamison, Haywood baring a trade. Blatche will play 4 off the bench. Song 4 never to see center again. McGee will be the 5 as he continues to get size with age and play some 4. McGuire will be the 3 Critt the backup 1. Everyone else will get whatever minutes are left.

There is no one in this draft that's going to make the Wiz championship material this year. Flip will make them a competitor. The game has changed. Long athletic players is the the need the way the game is being called. Jamison is limited at the 4. Eventually he will be coming off the bench (6th man) or moved. I haven't mentioned Pech. Someone needs to tell this guy he is 7 feet tall. If the coaches can get him to understand that then you have another big body. The Wiz will be very good if the coaches can get the players to perform their rolls. I believe Flip now call the shots were Jordan couldn't and Tapscott had no business being there.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | June 7, 2009 7:38 AM | Report abuse

"Ernie is not going to change the lineup that much this year. He's going to wait and see wait Flip can do with this team."

Unfortunately for Les BouleS, every season is planned with the wait and see approach.

"I haven't mentioned Pech. Someone needs to tell this guy he is 7 feet tall. If the coaches can get him to understand that then you have another big body."

Sorry, but just being 7 ft. does not qualify one to be a banger. Pech isn't the first, and won't be the last "big man" who likes to stay outside and just shoot all day and show off during meaningless gym rat games.

"The Wiz will be very good if the coaches can get the players to perform their rolls. I believe Flip now call the shots were Jordan couldn't and Tapscott had no business being there.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | June 7, 2009 7:38 AM "

Let's just hope that Flip doesn't get more credit than he deserves. This team, sans Gilby, made the first round of the playoffs two seasons ago. The question is what is the bar for this team.

Also, nowhere will you find anyone from the Les BouleS organization saying that "Flip is calling the shots."

That's pure conjecture on your part. Keep dreaming.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 7, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Good One 88!

Randy Smith was a good player for a long time, there was a streak for four or five years that he was one of the best in the league.

The old Buffalo Braves, haven't thought about them for a while. Boy did they lock up with the old bullets for a great playoff series. Bob McAdoo and Elvin Hayes went at it like a couple of real Warriors.
What a pair of great scorers.

The Wiz's two positions of need are Center and somebody to take control of the two guard position. Evans and Derozen are a pair of guys that seem to be in discussion at the 5th pick.

But are either of these guys the scorer that Young is right now? The knock on Young is his D, and he has the tendancy to go one on 5 on offense. Young really did seem to start to get it last year. If the new coaching staff can get his attention and harness that talent, this is the year he should take the step and claim a bigger role on the team.

Evans is likely to be a very good pro, but at this point he really dominates the ball and is a poor shooter. You guys think Gil is a shoot first guy, wait to you see 82 games of Evans. And his shot needs about as much work as Critt's.

I've not seen near as much of Derozen, some have him rocketing up the board to where OK City is taking a hard look at him. That indicates to me OK City might still be thinking in the direction of moving back(to the 5???).

People keep bring up David Lee from the Knicks in a trade. If Lee moves, I'm inclined to think it would be to Memphis. I've still got to think D'Antonio has got to be the one guy in the league that really wants Rubio.

It just looks like a fit to me. The two teams could swap picks, Memphis could pick up a starting power forward and still have a top 10 pick.

The Knicks could save cap room for a run a LaBron and Bosh next summer, and have Rubio to distribute the ball. It just makes more sense to me then any trade with the Knicks that involves the Wiz.

If Rubio goes at the two, my gut tells me the Wiz move up to the three and take Thabeet, and McGee will not be involved.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | June 7, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

88,I was talking about the IQ joke...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | June 7, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Great NBA insight in the NYT Book Review http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/07/books/review/Bradley-t.html?ref=review

Of course, this has nothing to do with the Wizards.

Posted by: dabing | June 7, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Comcast sports news this morning said that Chris Miller got a text from Gilbert saying that he's faster than ever now and is the same weight that he was when he first came here to DC (207 lbs) and that he has his full ability back. He was also coming into town (Gil) to practice/train with Sam Cassell. (the text said - he's doing great)!

Posted by: washwiz | June 7, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

"Comcast sports news this morning said that Chris Miller got a text from Gilbert saying that he's faster than ever now and is the same weight that he was when he first came here to DC (207 lbs) and that he has his full ability back. He was also coming into town (Gil) to practice/train with Sam Cassell. (the text said - he's doing great)!

Posted by: washwiz | June 7, 2009 12:43 PM "

Too bad this has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not he'll be ready for basketball this November, or what kind of player he'll return as.

If this rumor is true though, none of us better not hear any BS this coming season about not practicing, not playing back to backs, and coming back slowly.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | June 7, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Why isn't anyone talking about trading for Andris Biedrins of Golden St? He's a 4 guy, he's 6'11, 240 and he's a rebounding and shot blocking machine that averaged a double double last season is is way younger and in better health than any of the guys folks are talking about.

Posted by: dreds_20019 | June 7, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

i mentioned biendres and was the laughing stock of the blog.

i suggested, trading the #5 pick with blatche,mike mike james and d stevenson for j crawford and andres beindrens but like i said..i was the laughing stock of the blog

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | June 8, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

when i think about it though...tyreke evans might be the next dwayne wade...

seriously he might be a superstar.

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | June 8, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Ok, forget Amare and draft Harden. Maybe a sign a trade deal with Deshawn, Etan, and our second round pick for Rasheed Wallace.

We can't give the farm for a damaged player in Amare especially if he may not resign with the Wiz. My gut says he'll opt to play in NY 2010 - 2011 with his old coach. IF we get him from draft picks and expiring contracts cool.

Also, we have yet to see what Pesh can do, hard to judge with Tap. He could be a real asset with Flip and a healthy Gil. I'm for standing pat and drafting James Harden.

Posted by: Gooddad | June 8, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Ok, forget Amare and draft Harden. Maybe a sign a trade deal with Deshawn, Etan, and our second round pick for Rasheed Wallace.

We can't give the farm for a damaged player in Amare especially if he may not resign with the Wiz. My gut says he'll opt to play in NY 2010 - 2011 with his old coach. IF we get him from draft picks and expiring contracts cool.

Also, we have yet to see what Pesh can do, hard to judge with Tap. He could be a real asset with Flip and a healthy Gil. I'm for standing pat and drafting James Harden.

Posted by: Gooddad | June 8, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

"Additionally, the Princeton offense, at least as run here, seemed to mandate the center never touch the ball unless he managed to get an offensive rebound. This translated to a career .527 shooter having virtually zero plays called for him."

Calling Haywood a "shooter" is vastly overstating the case.

The reason he's a career .527 shooter is precisely because he rarely touches the ball on offense unless he manages to get an offensive rebound (or the occasional spoon fed lob pass at rim). Haywood is not a low post scorer nor is he a guy that any sane coach would be running a lot of offensive sets for. He's strictly a garbage player on offense, feeding off the scraps left over from the work of better offensive players.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 8, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad Mike Lee debunked the Stoudamire rumors. The Wizards don't have the talent the Suns are looking for. I would see Steve Kerr trading Stoudamire to the Hawks. The Hawks have more young talent and they need size.

I would like the Wizards to go after Chris Bosh, but there is talks he might go to the Pistons or the Nets so I don't know if that would happen. I guess the Wizards will likely have to use the pick I hope they find someone who can help right away. I don't know much about Harden, but looking at some of the YouTube clips, he doesn't impress me as much has Treke Evans are DeMarr Rozen. We can only hope that Ernie makes the BEST DECISION for this Wizards squad.

Posted by: rcnasa | June 8, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse


The upside, the Wizards have a high second round pick and from past drafts, there have been very solid to all star players picked high in the second round.

Posted by: rcnasa | June 8, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

How's this: Butler, Blatche, MJames, Dsong, Stevenson and Pech for Shaq and Jrich?

I think this works for both teams. Shaq gives us a legit big that can pass and understands his limitations with age. Can try to tag along for our two year window. Jrich solves our need for a quality SG.

Phoenix sheds Shaqs salary and dimishing skills for Butler and Blatche. The expiring deals help their luxury tax woes and the remaining pieces can fit with their up-tempo style.

We can swap picks, but personally I'd be willing to throw in the #5 for a chance to win now. WIN NOW WIN NOW!

Lineup: Gil, Jrich, McGuire, Jamison, Shaq
Bench: Haywood, Young, McGee, Critt, draft pick.

Posted by: jbisdaman | June 8, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Best case scenario would be to get a veteran somehow with this draft and stay under the salary cap. I thought I read Richard Jefferson was interested in playing with the Wizards and his Arizona buddy. I LOVE THE DRAFT though and if we keep the pick...Griffin, Harden, Thabeet, and Rubio should all be gone by the time we pick. I really like JONNY FLYNN as the 5th best player in the draft. Jordan Hill is not impressive! I expect the Wizards to draft an international player in the second round because they don't have the money. I like Jon Brockman or Jeff Adrien for the Wiz though!

Posted by: gredskinsrock | June 8, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Please don't post this nonsense anymore. What are you smoking?

"How's this: Butler, Blatche, MJames, Dsong, Stevenson and Pech for Shaq and Jrich?

I think this works for both teams. Shaq gives us a legit big that can pass and understands his limitations with age. Can try to tag along for our two year window. Jrich solves our need for a quality SG.

Phoenix sheds Shaqs salary and dimishing skills for Butler and Blatche. The expiring deals help their luxury tax woes and the remaining pieces can fit with their up-tempo style.

We can swap picks, but personally I'd be willing to throw in the #5 for a chance to win now. WIN NOW WIN NOW!

Lineup: Gil, Jrich, McGuire, Jamison, Shaq
Bench: Haywood, Young, McGee, Critt, draft pick."

Posted by: Gooddad | June 8, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Gooddad wrote: "Ok, forget Amare and draft Harden. Maybe a sign a trade deal with Deshawn, Etan, and our second round pick for Rasheed Wallace.

We can't give the farm for a damaged player in Amare especially if he may not resign with the Wiz. My gut says he'll opt to play in NY 2010 - 2011 with his old coach. IF we get him from draft picks and expiring contracts cool.

Also, we have yet to see what Pesh can do, hard to judge with Tap. He could be a real asset with Flip and a healthy Gil. I'm for standing pat and drafting James Harden."

Gee, I didn't realize we had a better chance to win with Harden, Sheed and Pech than with Shaq and Jrich. Good luck with that - seriously. Gooddad = FAIL.

Posted by: jbisdaman | June 9, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Here's how you know Michael Lee is a good, solid, objective beat reporter:

If the Wizards do end up trading for Stoudamire, Lee will likely NOT write a series of blog entries about how dishonest Grunfeld and the Kerr are, and how they wonder why no one takes them seriously, etc. These are the kinds of things Jason La Canfora wrote about Vinny Cerrato when he traded for Jason Taylor after denying trade rumors about him. La Canfora did not understand that GMs lie for a living, it's part of the business, and instead attacked him relentlessly for being "dishonest."

SOOOOOOOOO glad La Canfora is gone from the Post.

Posted by: Barno1 | June 9, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Draft Harden. This is a weak draft and there aren't any big men worth having after the top 3 picks are off the board. Harden will fit in nicely day 1. He seems to me to be a player who is smart enough and savvy enough to adapt to the NBA and help the team win. He will be a pleasant surprise.

Posted by: pick5 | June 10, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

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