Wizards Working Out Louisville's Williams

In what could easily be interpreted as a sign that the Wizards are strongly considering moving down in this draft, the team is planning on working out Louisville swingman Terrence Williams today at the Verizon Center today at 11 a.m. Williams is slated to go mid-to-late first round on most draft boards. He is not expected to go as high as five, but there is also the potential that he could slip into the second round, I guess. But the Pistons and Golden State Warriors are reportedly interested.

Williams was first team all-Big East last season after averaging 12.5 points and 8.6 rebounds as a senior, and Sports Illustrated had an interesting profile on him last March, calling him the best player on the best team in the best conference in basketball. The Wizards will also work out former DeMatha and Virginia star Mamadi Diane.

You can follow Williams on Twitter, where he says he's going to DC because "me and Obama have some things to go over." He also says that he got a PhD at Louisville: Poor, hungry and driven.

Here's an interview with Williams, a Seattle native, from the NBA pre-draft combine two weeks ago:


By Michael Lee |  June 10, 2009; 10:04 AM ET
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Here's the last quote from draftexpress about Terence Williams...

"What’s clear is that whoever drafts Williams shouldn’t be expecting much out of him offensively.

Sounds like a younger Deshawn Stevenson. Do we want that?

Posted by: original_mark | June 10, 2009 10:14 AM

I would take Gerald Henderson over Williams and Diane.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | June 10, 2009 10:22 AM

Well (1) he has improved every year and (2) he pretty much said he would play in Europe if he did not get picked in the first round...

The question is, would the Wizards want to turn the #5 pick and an expiring contract into Jamal Crawford and a #14 like Terence Williams? To which, I would think the anwser would have to be, eh, maybe...

Not saying that this is how it will, much less should, go down, but Mike I think you are starting to look at the tea leaves from the right perspective.

Posted by: khrabb | June 10, 2009 10:22 AM

Williams is said to be one of the best, if not the best, defenders in the draft. Yeah, the Wizards kind of need some of that.

Nbadraft.net: "He is a defensive stopper who is able to guard multiple positions."

I think it was Draftexpress that said he is the best wing rebounder in the last 10 years.

Posted by: disgruntledfan | June 10, 2009 11:02 AM

Mavs looking to swap picks with the wizards, ESPN Insider!!!

Posted by: BurgwithaU | June 10, 2009 11:13 AM

ughhh.....

Posted by: the_shocker1 | June 10, 2009 11:14 AM

Salary wise a package of Etan, James, Nick Young and Blatche works for either Amare or Bosh.

Posted by: Darnell1 | June 10, 2009 11:26 AM

I only saw him play twice, but in both games he was (for long stretches at least), the best player on the court. Took the opponent's best scorer and shut him down. Ran the court like an antelope. Don't think I saw him take an outside shot.

But don't Louisville players have a checkered history in the pros? If I recall correctly, they tend to be tweeners who struggle in the NBA half-court.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 10, 2009 11:28 AM

"Salary wise a package of Etan, James, Nick Young and Blatche works for either Amare or Bosh.Posted by: Darnell"

Basketball-wise, however -- why would the Suns or the Raptors want our underperforming bench? They've got one of their own.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 10, 2009 11:30 AM

Samson151, Did you ever see Darrell Griffith? I know I'm going wayyy back but he was Vince Carter before there WAS a Vince Carter. He's the first guy I ever saw do a reverse two handed alley oop.

Out of Service Pervis was pretty good for a little while.

There's only 1 Louisville player to ever play in the league to be a Hall of Famer, though. I think we all know who that is...

Posted by: original_mark | June 10, 2009 11:33 AM

"Salary wise a package of Etan, James, Nick Young and Blatche works for either Amare or Bosh."

But since both Bosh and Amare are both set to be FAs at the end of next season (just like James and Thomas) the Wizards' expiring contracts have zero value to the Suns or Raptors as a cost saving measure. Essentially, what those deals would amount to is a straight up deal of Young and Blatche for Stoudemire or Bosh.

That is simply not going to happen.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 10, 2009 11:35 AM

We have one of the best teams in the L when healthy, give me healthy and hard work on both ends of the floor and Watch'em work.

Posted by: houdini6 | June 10, 2009 11:38 AM

What about some kind of deal with Detroit involving a sign and trade for Rasheed? He is 35, friends w/ Antawn and Haywood, and played under Flip.

Maybe something like Etan, James, Young, Blatche for Rasheed and Hamilton, plus swap of picks (5 for 15)...

Pistons get rid of Hamilton's contract, get alot of expiring room for '10 with Etan and James. Get younger with NY and Blatche essentially replacing Hamilton and Wallace.

Wizards get a more veteran team. Add a couple guys who know Flip's system.

We'd have a lot of flexibility with that roster. Haywood and McGee at center. We can rotate Rasheed at 4 and 5 as well as Songaila, Antawn at 4 and 3, Caron rotate at 2 and 3 backed up by McGuire. Hamilton at the 2, backed up by Stevenson and Terrence Williams. Arenas backed up by Crittenton.

Maybe something like this...

Haywood, Wallace, Caron, Hamilton, Arenas

Jamison 6th man.

Bench of McGee, Songaila, Pecherov, McGuire, Stevenson, Williams, Crittenton.

Jamison I think would move to 6th man to let his boy Sheed start. His ability to come in at either the 4 or 3 depending on matchup, and give us major scoring off the bench would be ideal. Sheed even at 35 can be a factor at PF, and with Jamison, McGee and Songaila getting pt his minutes can stay at a range where he can get more rest and prolong his effectiveness.

Posted by: Darnell1 | June 10, 2009 11:47 AM

Mavs looking to swap picks with the wizards, ESPN Insider!!!

Posted by: BurgwithaU | June 10, 2009 11:13 AM


Whoa! Slow down! Yes, ESPN Insider mentioned this, but you have to look at the source of which it came. It came from a Washington Times article. And if you read the artilce, the writer also mentions that the only untouchable player on the team is Caron Butler. It's more of an opinionative article with little facts that we know already (think Mike Wilbon, lol).

NEVER TRUST THE TIMES!!!! Its the Post or nothing!

Posted by: CBell29 | June 10, 2009 11:55 AM

Gotta admit thats a real nice top 6... think about Detroit's championship team with Wallace and Rip, basically swapping Haywood for Big Ben, Caron for Prince and Arenas for Billups... Jamison off the bench instead of McDyess.

I think that's a team that could really challange the next 2-3 yrs.

Detroit gets younger, and gets the #5 pick, maybe getting a Pistons type of player in Thabeet or Jordan Hill.

Posted by: Darnell1 | June 10, 2009 11:57 AM

"We have one of the best teams in the L when healthy, give me healthy and hard work on both ends of the floor and Watch'em work."

The problem is its been years since the team was healthy and I heard a lot of things about some of the players and hard work is not one of them. Trust me, it will take a lot more than health and hard work to push this team all the way to the top. This team needs another top caliber player at least.

Posted by: Dave381 | June 10, 2009 12:07 PM

"Maybe something like Etan, James, Young, Blatche for Rasheed and Hamilton, plus swap of picks (5 for 15)

Pistons get rid of Hamilton's contract, get alot of expiring room for '10 with Etan and James. Get younger with NY and Blatche essentially replacing Hamilton and Wallace."

The Pistons are already about $20 mill under the cap now because of Rasheed's expired deal, so re-signing him and trading for two contracts that expire next summer would actually add money to their cap and cost them about $13 mill next season.

To say nothing of the fact that Wallace (A) is old and breaking down physically, (B) is a head case, and (C) hates Flip Saunders.

"Jamison I think would move to 6th man to let his boy Sheed start. "

Where do you get the idea that Rasheed is Jamison's "boy"? Just because they both went to Carolina doesn't make them best friends, esp. since they didn't even play together.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 10, 2009 12:10 PM

That is simply not going to happen.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 10, 2009 11:35 AM


kalo do u ever have your own opinions or do you like just commenting on others??

well anyway.
Nick Young should not be on the trade block unless he is in a package that would bring back a franchise altering player.Because giving up on young talent (hamilton,webber,wallace,wallace) is our history and it always bites us in the behind.
I think Ernie Grunfield has a great track record of making good/decent draft day deals, especially for us[wizards] because i could never imagine anyone(kupchack) trading a player on the rise (caron butler) for a total bust(kwame brown) and the move for jamison was superb as well. But we have to be realistic. Jamison wasnt a major force on that dallas team, he was a sixth man so if there are any trades to be made this season we have to look at players on the rise in the league like: paul milsap,david lee, charlie villanueva, andres biendres, brandon bass. one of those border-line all star players.

so i like the idea of dallas wanting to trade for the #5 pick and they are willing to part with josh howard. instantly we upgrade at the two guard and unload one of our expiring contracts, to be more flexible by the trade deadline.

washington gets

josh howard
brandon bass(farfetched but possible)

dallas gets:
#5 pick (jordan hill, who they want)
andray blatche
etan thomas
next years second round pick

both parties will be happy

1 arenas
2 howard
3 butler
4 jamison
5 haywood

6th- javaris crittenton
7th- brandon bass
8th- nick young
9th- songalia

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | June 10, 2009 12:40 PM

waw, too much speculation.It is true that pistons want to be as ready as posibble to land one of the 2010 free agent, but why should they resign and trade wallace? They might be intertested on the #5 pick and might want to deploy Hamilton's three years contract, they might feel to be young to stay in playoff for 2009-10 season and be competative. I know for sure they like harden but it is not likely that he will be avaliable at #5.If he is there will be a chance to land Hamilton for thomas and the pick.The problem is ,washington will not have a room to stay out of paying nearly 4 million dollar to dollar tax even after they are over with the contract of Mike. The best decision for EG is to trade down and for an easy salary and look at the situation around the end of the trade day.

Posted by: gtefferra | June 10, 2009 12:41 PM

"kalo do u ever have your own opinions or do you like just commenting on others??"
It's my opinion that you're an idiot. How's that.

And since Darnell started his post by asking: "What about some kind of deal with Detroit involving a sign and trade for Rasheed?" it was pretty clear that he was asking for people to comment.

Now, refresh my memory: Who asked for your opinion, exactly?

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 10, 2009 12:45 PM

Oh, and stating that a trade of Young and Blatche for Stoudemire or Bosh will never happen is not an opinion. It's stone cold, rock hard fact.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 10, 2009 12:49 PM

Rip may be a team player but he would not fit in with this current wizard team. He still needs "his" touches and there's already not enough shots to go around, even if Gilbert gives up some of his shots. He's a good (not great) defender, but i still perfer someone like stevenson (can't believe I just said that). Someone who spot up in the corner and not complain about touches.

Posted by: CBell29 | June 10, 2009 1:26 PM

Josh Howard is a head case (admitted drug usage, wouldn't stand for anthem, summer softball tirade.) Can't imagine a team made up solid citizens like the Wizards would want someone like Howard who's best position is SF. Terry is a little more intriguing, but he's strictly a scorer and not a true PG. If the Wiz trade for him, it would mean that NY was either part of the package or not in our plans. Terry is also over 30 and towards the end of his prime.

A trade that makes more sense would be the No. 5 pick, Blatche and either ET or James to Detroit for Prince and Detroit's 1st rounder. Prince would be an ideal fit at the 3 and allow CB3 to move to the 2. We'd get a top notch defender, excellent ballhandler, and good rebounder who's only 29. Not to mention that he's a guy who is used to play without the ball and is familiar with Saunders' system.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 10, 2009 1:29 PM

if we got prince, and considering we have cassell as our assitant coach, our team would def. have two hall of famers of ugliness on our team, making it one of the ugliest teams ever

Posted by: jasonma1 | June 10, 2009 1:37 PM

Agree with Kal re: any potential trade for Bosh or Stoudemire being a pipe dream. Bosh is a FA in 2010 and believe that Stoudemire may be as well. Neither Phoenix or Toronto is going to trade their biggest asset for the No. 5 pick, some unproven talent, and expiring contracts. The Wiz would have needed to be holding the No. 1 pick (Blake Griffin) to make a trade like that happen. Also, I can't see EG wanting a pending FA who may be gone by the All-Star break like Bosh who already have said they will try free agency.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 10, 2009 1:37 PM

we should be named the washington aliens

Posted by: jasonma1 | June 10, 2009 1:39 PM

I really don't see Howard as a head case, so much as a free spirit. The marijuana thing isn't exactly a hanging offense. He basically just told the truth about something most other players lie about. Remember, he said he only smoked in the offseason and it only came out because he talked about it openly. NBA players are tested for drugs durong the season and, as far as we know, he's never failed one. The National Anthem thing is a complete non-issue. He simply expressed an opinion (albeit rather poorly and, in my view, half-jokingly) that some people didn't like. So what? He's not the first person to express such an opinion and, if you look past the surface of it, it has some valid foundation. I've never heard anything about him being a problem with his coaches and teammates, which is all that matters, really. I'd gladly have him on the Wizards, and I'm sure the players would agree.

All that being said, the Mavs aren't going to trade Howard for anything the Wiz have to offer (assuming they're not offering Arenas or Butler).

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 10, 2009 1:42 PM

Any article that states the CB is the only untouchable on this team automatically loses its credibility with me. I think he's one of the most 'touchable' players on this team.
He's relatively young, has a reasonable contract and is vastly overrated because he has put up numbers in situations in which he SHOULD put up numbers. On a poor team last year, he gets a ton of touches and has been able to produce offensively. Defensive deficiencies get overlooked because he can get 20 ppg. He's similar to Juwan Howard in that respect. We really have to be careful
about falling for the 'best player on a bad team' trap. They are enticing but rarely worth it. There are exceptions, of course. Exceptional players like LeBron or Durant are good no matter how poorly their teams are and it's usually apparent.

Back to Caron....On a good team, he was the third option and subsequently got less defensive attention. That allowed him to put up decent numbers alongside Gil and AJ. The real Caron somewhere in between the star and the average NBA Joe. He is the one that we see in playoff time when he gets defensive attention.

He's an above average scorer when his shot is on but isn't quick enough, bold enough (because of a fear of rejections due to lack of height) or skilled enough to get to the hole with any regularity. Subsequently, he's easy to defend and can be shut down by simply playing up on him and forcing him to drive. I'm not a scout and I know that 9 time out of 10 he'll dribble in place between his legs, give a head fake, stutter step and then pull up for a jumper.

Defensively, he's late on closeouts and is too slow to effectively guard SG's. He tries to rebound but is often outmuscled. This is not for a lack of effort, though. Teams that ignore him on the glass pay for it. He also gambles a lot in the passing lanes (like Gil and LH used to do) and that causes him to get lots of steals but give up lots of open shots.

Here's the bottom line scoop on CB from 82games.com...
Per 48 minutes....

Offense: Pts per 100 Poss.
On the court 107.9
Off the court 102.4

+5.5


Defense: Pts per 100 Poss.

On the court 116.5
Off the court 111.3

+5.3

In other words, when CB is on the court our offense score 5.5 more points per 100 possessions.

On the downside, our defense gives up 5.3 more points per 100 possesions.
Take a look at the Eastern Conf all star reserves and see how they fared in the same category

Granger: Offense +8.4 Defense +1.7
Pierce: Offense +3.2 Defense -.06
Rashard L. Offense + 9.8 Defense -.06
Joe Johnson Offense +6.5 defense +3.5


So based on this, all of these guys' teams fared significantly better when they were on the court.
Not so much with CB. We were .02 ppg better than the other team with him on the court.

Good player, yes. Untouchable, shouldn't be.

Posted by: original_mark | June 10, 2009 1:45 PM

It should be noted that team success is reflected in these numbers and that the other all star reserves played on better teams. However, when Aj and Cb were campaigning for a berth, should the 'ability to make your team better' criteria have factored into the calculation? I think so. Apparently others thought so too....resulting in the snub.

Posted by: original_mark | June 10, 2009 1:50 PM

Just my opinion...

The only untouchable on this team should be JM. As a result of his contract, Gil is untouchable by default. If he wasn't so highly paid, he'd be the other one.

Everyone else can go if it improves our team.

Posted by: original_mark | June 10, 2009 1:52 PM

Caron has stated time and time again that he will not move to the 2 on a regular basis. So all the folks who keep moving him to that spot based off trades can forget it. The only way he moves out the starting lineup is if he's the one involved in a trade.

Posted by: CBell29 | June 10, 2009 2:00 PM

The Wiz need to decide if they are just saving money or want to contest for a championship. If they decide to save money, Abe may not last long enough to see a championship. There are free agents who can help them: Drew Gooden, Flip Murray, Andre Miller, Mike Bibby, Brandon Bass, Lamar Odom, Trevor Ariza, Quinton Ross, Jamario Moon, Steve Blake, Marcin Gortat, and Anthony Parker. I wouldn't mind using the #5 draft choice to reduce salary of players who won't help. However the mid-level excemption is available to the Wiz and using it to acquire a player above would be a requirement if they are serious about winning.

Posted by: JoeC2 | June 10, 2009 2:01 PM

There are no untouchable players on a team that only won 19 games the previous season.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 10, 2009 2:02 PM

There are no untouchable players on a team that only won 19 games the previous season.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 10, 2009 2:02 PM

AGREED!

Posted by: CBell29 | June 10, 2009 2:06 PM

The only untouchable in the organization is Wes Unseld Jr!

Posted by: Dave381 | June 10, 2009 2:14 PM

Just read the new mock draft on espn and it says the rockets and pacers are also in the mix for trading to our pick. Pacers got some talent we could use (bringing jarrett jack home?).

Or maybe the H-Town would be willing to deal Ron Ron or just say "f*** it" and give away T-Mac!

(I know... I know... have fun ripping this apart. lol)

Posted by: CBell29 | June 10, 2009 2:21 PM

origmark: "Samson151, Did you ever see Darrell Griffith? [and] Out of Service Pervis..."

Y'know, I thought of both those guys. Griffith played 11 years, averaged 20+ four times and the Jazz retired his number -- certainly a good career. Ellison -- like you said, when he was good he was very, very good, and then there there was the rest of the time...

But those two excepted, there seem to be a lot of swift tweeners who go on to have solid NBA careers but don't make it to stardom. Francisco Garcia, for instance. The McCrays. Anybody I'm leaving out?

Posted by: Samson151 | June 10, 2009 2:26 PM

No disrespect to Unseld, of course, but that's a different era.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 10, 2009 2:27 PM

Just trade the pick straight up for Andres Biedrins.

Posted by: manwray | June 10, 2009 2:34 PM

Thanks to originalmark for that long post on Butler. I haven't really read it yet but I like it when somebody gives a lot of thought to an issue, even if it eventually turns out to be wrong... it's still thinking.

Not that I don't enjoy those "Hey you guys, why don't the Wiz trade Nick Young for LeBron, huh?" posts.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 10, 2009 2:34 PM

Just trade the pick straight up for Andres Biedrins.

Posted by: manwray | June 10, 2009 2:34 PM

Possible. Highly unlikely though. Now straight up for AK-47 might be a little more feasable. A defensive ace that knows how to play team ball and won't disrupt the team continuity.

Posted by: CBell29 | June 10, 2009 2:38 PM

cbell: "Pacers got some talent we could use (bringing jarrett jack home?)."

Looking over their roster, hard to see who that talent would be. The Pacers without Granger resemble the Wiz without their 3 stars -- competent role players who would be of more value as complementary parts on stronger clubs. As far as the vets go, it's like a whole team of Darius Songailas and DeShawn Stephensons.

Among the kids, I like both Hibbert and Brandon Rush, but stars? Not seeing that.

IMO, this is a team that could find itself in trouble next season.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 10, 2009 2:42 PM

"Possible."

Not really. Can't trade a pick for a player straight up unless the team receiving the player has space under the cap equal to the player's salary. The Wiz have no cap space and are knocking up against the luxury tax. So, no, not possible.

"Now straight up for AK-47 might be a little more feasable. "

No, not really.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 10, 2009 2:44 PM

I know Mike basically shot this down in his chat yesterday, but I agree with the poster who suggested Carlos Boozer. He's a younger, more talented AJ, IMO. Why couldn't a deal be worked out with the Jazz? Give them the #5, Young, Dray, Crit, and the usual expiring deals.

I don't even think you'd have to give up one of Tough Juice/AJ to make it work, either. And actually, I'd be glad to throw in AJ, if that's what it took. Same for Juice, but a bit more reluctantly.

Not to mention a small bonus would be getting to stick it to the Cavs, seeing as how CB left them in the lurch way back when, and apparently they're going to try to sign him again this time around. Would be nice to tweak LeBron and co. for a change.

Posted by: nittanybruin | June 10, 2009 2:46 PM

Samson151,

Its talent there. Just hard to notice it with all those dollar signs next to them. But a move that would bring Tinsley or Marquis Daniels back would solidfy our bench. And also we get to keep our 2 biggest assests come trade deadline in february (Etan and James' contracts). I think that's a better time to make a deal because teams are in a "fold em" mode instead of optimistic mode at the beginning of the season. Lakers got Gasol during a midseason fire sale. Cavs almost had Shaq for Wally's contract. So just imagine if Toronto falls flat and Bosh indicates that he ain't coming back, they'll take anything back instead of losing him for nothing in the summer.

Posted by: CBell29 | June 10, 2009 2:52 PM

Not really. Can't trade a pick for a player straight up unless the team receiving the player has space under the cap equal to the player's salary. The Wiz have no cap space and are knocking up against the luxury tax. So, no, not possible.

"Now straight up for AK-47 might be a little more feasable. "

No, not really.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 10, 2009 2:44 PM

True. I was gonna finish that post but boss walked by and noticed I wasn't working. I was gonna add that us giving up a top 5 pick for AK-47 would be too high a price to pay anyway.

Posted by: CBell29 | June 10, 2009 2:56 PM

Something more on Jordan Hill: he’s the picture of ‘long’, with a max vertical reach of an inch under 12’. Not many players in the league (and very few forwards) can top that. Plus he apparently measured 31” on his vertical leap without a step. Sounds like he's one of those ‘pogo stick’ rebounders/ shotblockers who doesn’t need a lot of space to do his thing.

Several posters correctly point out that Stephen Curry jumped a lot higher at the Combine than people expected. He also scored quite average in the speed drills. He doesn’t look very fast on the court. Maybe his passing makes up for it offensively. However I’m trying to visualize him staying with Derrick Rose or Rondo or Chris Paul or Deron Williams, or Devin Harris or Baron or Jameer Nelson or Mike Conley or even Rubio and frankly, the picture’s just not coming through. Maybe he’ll surprise me. Don Nelson likes him, right?

Posted by: Samson151 | June 10, 2009 3:07 PM

Caron is a better player than the +/- stats from last year indicate. Those stats are a better indicator of our weakness at SG last year.

Caron played his minutes alongside Stevenson at the beginning of the year and alongside Dominic later. DeShawn sucked this year. And since CB and DM are both SF's, when they played together, one or the other was playing out of position. It's no wonder that Caron's +/- stats sucked this year.

Posted by: yop32 | June 10, 2009 3:24 PM

trade deshawn stevenson for a box of ghram crackers

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | June 10, 2009 3:40 PM

OriginalMark:
You're suspended from the blog, effective immediately, for two violations:
1. Excessivley long post
2. Declaring JM untouchable

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | June 10, 2009 3:51 PM

here,here

Posted by: djnnnou | June 10, 2009 3:56 PM

Don't let the hype fool you, this draft is actually quite deep. Sure, after Griffin there are no obvious 12-year all-stars, but there are many possible stars and solid future starters about five picks into round two. While I'd prefer Derozan, or Evans, Williams would be a nice pick-up if we trade down, adding solid D and rebounding perhaps better offensive skills than the mock drafts give him credit for. He is the anti-Nick Young, the Yang to Young's Yin. If we do trade down, I hope it is not only to give up a dumb contract, ie., Thomas or James. Fixing a bad deal by making a bad deal is how perennial losers are made, and the equivalent of Grunfeld admitting that he effed up and needs to mortgage our future to clean his mess. That's a firing offense, and I can't imagine Grunfeld would so openly admit to his shortcomings. I think he is engineering a first round switch that involves at least one vet coming to the Wiz, and someone going.

Posted by: SammyT1 | June 10, 2009 4:07 PM

Wiz need to trade this pick because its about the only thing ernie has proven he can do. Granted, Ernie pulled off one of the great steals in the nba when he got caron but other than that what has he really done. Look at who we've drafted and ask what impact has anyone had on the team. The team has done almost nothing in the free agent market since ernie came along and the signings he has made have ranged from bust(dee brown) to little impact(darius).

Posted by: hireaaron | June 10, 2009 4:14 PM

SammyT1
Deep Draft????
I don't see it.
After 1,2,3 there is a toss up with about 5 or 6 potentionally good bench players.
I do agree that Ernie will make a move or two before the draft.

Posted by: VBFan | June 10, 2009 4:21 PM

The more I think about it the more I like it.

Rasheed, Rip, #15 for Etan, James, Blatche, Young, #5.


True Detroit would lose Rasheed's salary this offseason, but this allows them to free up the huge space from Etan and James in '10 when they want to do something instead of being stuck with Hamilton the next 3 yrs. Young and Blatche essentially step into Hamilton's and Sheeds spots with more youth and much friendlier contracts.

Young is great friends with Afflalo on Detroit. At #5 they can take Thabeet or at least Jordan Hill. Etan and James give them a couple servicable vets for a year.


At 15 we get Terrence Williams, who has the size, pg skills and defense to compliment Arenas.

Posted by: Darnell1 | June 10, 2009 4:24 PM

Considering the lack of depth of this draft, what do you all think of trading out of the first round to, say, Indiana, for their 2010 first rounder - unprotected of course.

The wiz could dump salary, and maybe pick up a serviceable bench player, although I think Indiana has one of the weakest rosters in all of the NBA. Then they would have a lotto pick next year when the draft looks like it will be really deep.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | June 10, 2009 4:28 PM

Detroit could also be interested in Curry or Holiday at 5.

Posted by: Darnell1 | June 10, 2009 4:30 PM

With Rip and Rasheed we'd be bringing back 2 former Wizards and both played for Flip and know his system. They are on decline but are solid vets who can compliment our big 3 and are used to winning.

Our lineup has good size with Haywood and Wallace up front with Butler. We come off the bench with Jamison, we can go run & gun bring Jamison in for Haywood and go Wallace, Jamison, Butler. We can go big with Jamison for Butler with Haywood, Wallace, Jamison. Or come with Jamison for Wallace and not miss a beat. We got vets off the bench with Jamison, Songaila, Stevenson. We got youth with McGee, Pecherov, McGuire, Williams, Crittenton. We got defense/energy guys with McGee, Songaila, McGuire, Williams, Stevenson, Crittenton. We got offense off the bench with Jamison, Stevenson gives us 3 pt shooter off bench. Songaila and Rasheed can give us shooters at the 5. Haywood, Sheed, McGee, McGuire give us some shot blockers.


Haywood, Rasheed, Caron, Hamilton, Arenas

Jamison 6th man.


McGee, Songaila, Pecherov, McGuire, Williams, Stevenson, Crittenton bench. Maybe still add another FA with our midlevel.

Posted by: Darnell1 | June 10, 2009 4:40 PM

Draftexpress has us taking Dajuan Summers in 2nd round.

Posted by: Darnell1 | June 10, 2009 4:51 PM

'True Detroit would lose Rasheed's salary this offseason, but this allows them to free up the huge space from Etan and James in '10 when they want to do something instead of being stuck with Hamilton the next 3 yrs."

They've already freed up space to do something. As I said, they're 20 mill below the cap right now. They can go out and sign a big name FA this summer, use the space to facilitate a something-for-nothing trade, or wait until next summer and get in on the James/Wade/Bosh sweepstakes. Trading away their best player for scraps does not help them.

And where do you get the idea that they'd be "stuck" with him? He's a 3 time All-Star SG who's only 31 years old and they just signed him to an extension at the beginning of this season. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that they're in a hurry to get rid of him, esp. for a pair of underachieving backups.

"With Rip and Rasheed we'd be bringing back 2 former Wizards and both played for Flip and know his system. "

No, you'd be bringing back two former Pistons who were quite demonstrative and (in Rasheed's case, vocal) about the fact that they didn't like Saunders' system and didn't enjoy playing for him.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 10, 2009 4:53 PM

"Young and Blatche essentially step into Hamilton's and Sheeds spots with more youth and much friendlier contracts."

To say nothing of a small fraction of the talent, drive, and toughness.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 10, 2009 4:57 PM

that detroit deal is ass

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 10, 2009 4:59 PM

If the Wizards have a shot at Jordan Hill and don't take him they are nuts. Totally. Yeah, he's probably two years away ... from being 20-10. And he'll be playing for the Mavs while Wiz get another undersized nutcase. I'm not renewing my season tickets because I can see this coming. I can see the need to unload payroll, but you don't trade the number five pick and get Josh Howard in return. Complete incompetence. I used to KNOW I could be a better GM than Wes Unseld but now I wonder if the same is true for Ernie. Y'all remember this when Wiz are still winning less than 30 and Hill is playing for Mav contenders.

Posted by: milfordone | June 10, 2009 5:18 PM

From hireaaron, re: CB "Granted, Ernie pulled off one of the great steals in the nba when he got caron but other than that what has he really done."

Also signed Gilbert, traded for Jamison, and signed Stevenson for a below-market contract, i.e. put together the heart of the team that got the Wiz consistently back in the playoffs. Got something productive with second-round picks in Blatche and McGuire (you could argue he does better with 2nd rounders than 1st rounders).

I'm not defending everything he's done, but give the man his due.

Posted by: ts35 | June 10, 2009 5:32 PM

nittanybruin: "Carlos Boozer. He's a younger, more talented AJ, IMO."

What? I'm trying to think of two PFs more dissimilar. So far, no luck...

Posted by: Samson151 | June 10, 2009 5:33 PM

I like the idea of trading with Dallas...the last deal we did with them (Stackhouse/Jamison) worked out well for both. Plus Dallas has a couple of nice young 2 guards and 1 PF to possibly choose from and you know their owner is going to start collecting expiring contracts next year to go after Wade, James or Bosh. I'm not sure who the Dallas 6th man is...maybe the Wiz can get him...again.

Posted by: oddjob2 | June 10, 2009 5:38 PM

"What? I'm trying to think of two PFs more dissimilar. So far, no luck..."

I think they're actually pretty similar: Both undersized for the PF position, both like to shoot facing the basket, both play little, if any defense, neither a real low post banger. The big differences are that (A) Jamison has better shoting range and Boozer's a little better rebounder and (B) Jamison's team plays worse without him, while Boozer's team played better without him.

Younger? Yes. More talented? Not so much.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 10, 2009 5:43 PM

The Wizards need to package the #5 pick and a veteran player and acquire a power forward who can rebound and improve this team's interior defense.

There is no sense drafting another young big and having him sit for 2-3 years as McGee and Blatche are doing trying to learn how to play in the NBA.

With the ages of Jamison (33), Butler (29) and Arenas (27), it just doesn't make sense.

Posted by: leopard09 | June 10, 2009 5:46 PM

kalorama: "The big differences are that (A) Jamison has better shoting range and Boozer's a little better rebounder and (B) Jamison's team plays worse without him, while Boozer's team played better without him."

I don't think of Boozer as better, just different. Comparing his most recent full season ('07-08) with Jamison this past year, here's what I'm talking about:

Pts per game: Boozer 16.2, Jamison 22.2
FG%: Boozer .547, AJ .468
FTs: CB 393, AJ 452
RBs: CB 844, AJ 721
Assts: CB 233, AJ 153
TOs: CB 210, AJ 125

And the big one:
3 point attempts: CB 1, AJ 319

I don't know if the listed weights are correct (236 vs 266), but Boozer seems to be about 30 pounds heavier.

AJ's game is based around his quickness and energy (used to include leaping ability), while Carlos is something of a leadfoot. Jamison is an open court player by preference, while Boozer's strength is half-court. Neither, as you noted, plays much defense, but Boozer blocks about twice as many shots nowadays.

Does Utah play better without him? Seemed to this past year. Before that, I would argue no.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 10, 2009 8:40 PM

ZardsFan1, LOL>
My bad.

I guess flohrtv (GM) rubbed off. My posts are rivaling his in length.

Posted by: original_mark | June 10, 2009 9:13 PM

If a trade is made I hope we include Pesh in the deal just to get rid of him. Helluva nice guy but a waste of space. Free up that roster spot and use the 32nd pick to add a guy with some real upside.

Pesh had his chance to step up last year and didn't do it. He doesnt have the athletic ability to really contribute in the league. We dont need a 7 footer that just wants to throw up a 3 every time the ball comes his way.

oh yeah, we passed on rondo to take him...

Posted by: DMoney28 | June 10, 2009 9:17 PM

"oh yeah, we passed on rondo to take him...
Posted by: DMoney28"

So did a whole lot of other teams.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 10, 2009 10:31 PM

Dear
Posted by: hireaaron | June 10, 2009 4:14 PM
"since ernie came along and the signings he has made have ranged from bust(dee brown) to little impact(darius)."


I wish every bust was 150k . ha

Posted by: Chocolate_City | June 10, 2009 11:42 PM


Dear Wes,

Please tell Abe that its the future and nobody uses Bullets anymore, and that crime is now committed by Computer Wizards, so we should switch back.

Thanks Champ

Posted by: Chocolate_City | June 10, 2009 11:48 PM

The Kapono-Evans trade was interesting as each player would cover a need on the Wizards, especially Evans who can offer 15 minutes of nastiness along with his 6 fouls. If we trade down, I wonder if DeJuan Blair will be available to fulfill that role.

Posted by: mugsybol | June 11, 2009 2:46 AM

Josh Howard is a potential immediate difference maker. He comes from a quality basketball program at Wake Forest. He has the skill set as a wing defender and scorer that the Wizards need to get to the next level. He has proven himself as a starter and All-Star level player for a quality NBA team. He can be forgiven for saying and doing a couple of essentially harmless things that young men will say and do. His character has, in fact, never been seriously questioned.

If the Wizards can get Howard and Dallas's late first round pick for the #5 pick, Blatche and an expiring contract, IMO they should do that deal in a heartbest.

A starting lineup of Arenas, Howard, Butler, Jamison and Haywood, coached by Flip Saunders has a high probablilty of 50+ wins. Sign Rasheed Wallace as the first big man off the bench and the probability escalates even further.

If it's time to bet the store and roll the dice, these are the types of deals that must get done.

Posted by: khrabb | June 11, 2009 6:43 AM

If we give up Young it will be the biggest mistake just like drafting and trading Devin Harris to the Mavs for Jamison. Harris will be a superstar in the league for a long time and is a complete player. Jamison and Butler are very good players but are not untouchable. They both bring different skills. The guys that should be untouchable are Gil, Young, McGee, Crit, Song (good practice and team), McGuire (same as Song) and new draft pick. If Blatche can get his toughness back and stop trying to play like Jamison he joins that list. Blatche has the skills to be special but he changed his game. The Wiz need to keep the pick and draft another long athletic player.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | June 11, 2009 7:01 AM

Pesh had his chance to step up last year and didn't do it.

You CAN'T be serious.

He's never had a chance and when he DID get a few minutes here and there, he produced more often than not. I'm not saying he's good but he certainly never got a chance to prove that he's not.

Posted by: original_mark | June 11, 2009 7:07 AM

"oh yeah, we passed on rondo to take him...
Posted by: DMoney28"


Coming off a year where our pg was among the best players in basketball with 29ppg, 6apg, 3.5 rpg averages, would YOU have drafted a pg?

Posted by: original_mark | June 11, 2009 7:15 AM

Draftexpress has us taking Dajuan Summers in 2nd round.

Posted by: Darnell1 | June 10, 2009 4:51 PM


No they haven't...
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2009/

They have us taken Markus Thornton

Posted by: Goelez | June 11, 2009 8:21 AM

Trade with Clippers !!!

How about CB plus #5 for their number 1 pick and selection of Griffin. Or Arenas + #5 for #1 and B Davis.
We have three all stars that can not defend. There is no way they will bring a championship to DC.
Jamison will be a great off the bench person for 3 or 4.
Wizards are better off without CB. Addition by subtraction for the way this team is presently set. Trade him while he has value and get one of the top picks in this draft.
Clippers can not sign any star to their team as free agent. Having all stars such as CB, Arenas or Jamison under contract should be very enticing to clippers.
What do all think ?

Posted by: PointCenter | June 11, 2009 9:14 AM

nick young is the future of the wiz!!!! why bring back former bullet/wiz player (hamilton and sheed) when they didn't want be w/ the team in the 1st place!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | June 11, 2009 12:07 PM

jimmycrick: "nick young is the future of the wiz!!!! "

Go practice, Nick.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 11, 2009 12:17 PM

Coming off a year where our pg was among the best players in basketball with 29ppg, 6apg, 3.5 rpg averages, would YOU have drafted a pg?


Posted by: original_mark

Yeah my man, considering they were talking about taking him or Marcus Williams since AD was starting to show wear and tear.

Bottom line we just dont do well with our 1st round picks.

Track that back to Kenny Green over Karl Malone in '85. Jefferies over Prince in 02. Hayes over West, Howard and Pietrus in 03.

Tell me the last first round pick to do something for this franchise.

Posted by: DMoney28 | June 11, 2009 3:14 PM

"Sign Rasheed Wallace as the first big man off the bench and the probability escalates even further."
Posted by: khrabb | June 11, 2009 6:43 AM

Do people pay absolutely no attention to what goes on in the NBA outside of Washington?

Wallace and Saunders had a terrible relationship in Detroit. Awful. They couldn't stand each other. It wouldn't be going too far to say that Wallace's disregard for Flip's authority cost them a second title.There is zero chance he'd play for Saunders again. Saunders wouldn't want him because he'd be a detriment to team chemistry. To say nothing of the fact that he's old and his skills and body have been very obviously deteriorating for a few years now. (And I won't even get into the report a few weeks ago that he's looking to get paid $8 mill next season.)

"Coming off a year where our pg was among the best players in basketball with 29ppg, 6apg, 3.5 rpg averages, would YOU have drafted a pg?"

Posted by: original_mark | June 11, 2009 7:15 AM

If he was the best player available? Yes. And, of course, the obvious breakdown in your argument is that they drafted Pecherov, a jumpshooting PF, when their second best (and highest paid) player was . . . a jumpshooting PF.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 11, 2009 3:56 PM

kalorama: "Do people pay absolutely no attention to what goes on in the NBA outside of Washington? "

LOL I'd say that's a big YES.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 11, 2009 6:25 PM

"Draftexpress has us taking Dajuan Summers in 2nd round.Posted by: Darnell1
"No they haven't...They have us taken Markus Thornton.Posted by: Goelez"

I can't even figure out who they should take in the first round, let alone the second.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 11, 2009 6:27 PM

TERRENCE WILLIAMS!!!

4 year player, mature, good defender of the 1-2-3 positions, great passer with great vision, slasher, athletic, can finish at the rim.

The only thing he needs alot of work on is his jump shot, wasnt that true of Lebron, D-Wade, basically everybody else who came into the league???

Posted by: Gtown87 | June 12, 2009 9:57 AM

Summers wouldn't be a bad pick in the 2nd. He's got size, can shoot and defend, comes from a good program. He's the kind of guy who can develop into a solid utility player off the bench.

Posted by: kalo_rama | June 12, 2009 11:10 AM

To asperhneyaolcom, kalo_rama, & khrabb:

I'm a Mavs fan. You would not want Howard as a 2 guard. He is a natural 3, or SF, and never plays the 2 for us. At that, he is undersized, usually lazy, unaccountable, and frequently hurt. The best you guys could do would be to get Terry. He's also undersized for a 2 guard and doesn't play a lick of defense, but the guy can shoot the lights out. Pair him with Arenas and you have one of the best scoring back courts in the league.

If you think Terry makes you a legitimate contender, then get after it. We'd ask for the #5 pick and the two expiring contracts of James and McGee to make the salary work. Could you do that? Would it take the #22 to make that happen and would that make it palatable? I'm not sure, though, that Cuban would really want to throw in the #22 pick also. I think Terry is all you'd get. So, you have to decide if that's enough for you.

Posted by: Texan1st | June 17, 2009 3:53 PM

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