Pistons Make Moves

The Detroit Pistons were the busiest team in the first day of free agency, as they agreed to terms with former UConn stars Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva, who essentially serve as younger replacements for the departing Allen Iverson and Rasheed Wallace.

The Pistons have added some quickness, athleticism and versatility with two deals ate up all the $19 million in available cap space that they had when the summer began. After a terrible 39-43 campaign, you have to wonder how much they really improved.

But Joe Dumars is staying committed to his plan for building a team around several good, but no great players, and hoping that it will yield success. The only problem I see with this current incarnation is that each team needs a solid leadership foundation and I'm not sure who will emerge as the motivational voice for the team. Everyone liked to talk about how Chauncey Billups' absence hurt the team from a talent perspective, but it was also his leadership that was sorely missing and allowed everything to sour.

When the Pistons won a championship in 2004, it relied on the leadership of Billups and Ben Wallace. Now it has ... Richard Hamilton? Tayshaun Prince? Those guys can play ball, no doubt, but I don't see them inspiring their teammates. It's also hard to see Gordon or Villanueva doing that, either.

Dumars plans on hiring a coach in the next week, and it looks like Avery Johnson is the front-runner after Doug Collins (whose name comes up for almost every coaching vacancy, it seems) pulled his name from consideration. Dumars has to have something else up his sleeve.

In the past weeks, the Washington Wizards added more offensive weapons in Randy Foye and Mike Miller, the Cleveland Cavaliers added Shaquille O'Neal and the Orlando Magic added Vince Carter. The Eastern Conference teams are making some major moves this offseason.

The biggest deal in the Western Conference? The Los Angeles Clippers finding a taker for Zach Randolph in Memphis.

Actually, the biggest news out West may have been Houston possibly losing Yao Ming next season or the remainder of his career. Kobe Bryant, Carlos Boozer and Mehmet Okur chose not to opt out and stayed with their respective teams. Hedo Turkoglu could potentially move West and sign with Portland, but the West might wind up losing Ron Artest and/or Trevor Ariza, who reportedly is upset that the Lakers only want to offer him the midlevel exception. Cleveland is reportedly chasing both of them, while the Boston Celtics are trying to recruit Rasheed Wallace.

But with the East bulking up, where do you see the Wizards fitting in? Brendan Haywood said he thinks the team is at least the fourth-best team behind Orlando, Cleveland and Boston. Did the Pistons bump them down to fifth or lower? What do you think?


By Michael Lee |  July 2, 2009; 12:05 PM ET
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Pistons just waived Oberto; a backup C to consider. Although Wiz is probably more interested in a trade than FA to get rid of James' contract.

Posted by: sagaliba | July 2, 2009 12:23 PM

Right now, the Wizards are paying a whole lot of money to a team with no chance of competing for a division title. If they don't have a big trade up their sleeves, it's gonna be a long season.

Posted by: icehippo | July 2, 2009 12:38 PM

Right now you've still got to give the Wiz an incomplete.

Detroit used all of their cap space, Cleveland's still trying to make moves.

Boston's trying to court Sheed, does Sheed want to be an extra wheel on a group that got there before?

And Orlando could loose a major pc.

The top of the East is way too early to tell.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | July 2, 2009 12:41 PM

hmmm...

as is, 7-8

with drew gooden, 7-8

with Zaza Pachulia, 4-5

Zaza- EG, make it happenCAPTAIN!!!

Posted by: audiohysteria | July 2, 2009 12:41 PM

Snatch up Oberto before San Antonio resigns him. They loved the guy and I do too because he plays tough every second on the floor. We can still work on packaging James and DeShawn for another Big.

Posted by: liveride | July 2, 2009 12:48 PM

Of course, Drew Gooden is my first choice:

*Drew Gooden (6’10”, 11.0ppg, 7.1rpg) Big Dog qualified, not mean but he shoots and scores and get mad offensive rebounds

Posted by: liveride | July 2, 2009 12:50 PM

The Gordon signing is interesting and possibly portentious.

It looks like Joe is trying to recreate/update the 3-guard attack the Bad Boys had with Dumars, Thomas, and Johnson, but that's a dicey prospect. Basically, they have the same problem with Gordon that they had with Iverson: A PG sized SG who can't actually run the point. Playing Hamilton, Stuckey, and Gordon at the same time leaves them with the same vulnerabilities that Iverson, Hamilton, and Stuckey presented. Add to that the ridiculous amount of money they're paying Gordon and trading Hamilton seems like a likely prospect.

Of course, that presents a new problem, because then they'd be starting a 6' 2" SG next to a scoring combo guard who's not really a playmaker.

I really hope Joe D. knows what he's doing.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 2, 2009 12:51 PM

The eastern conference for sure has bulked up. Boston will be in the mix for sure because KG is back, and big baby davis stepped up big time during the playoffs, u kno what ur getting from pierce (dunno about rondo and allen though) and then theres orlando the eastern conference champions i actually expect for them to fall back a little bit. They were exposed during the finals but they have a good big three themselves with: Howard, Nelson and Carter, but chemistry could be an issue. Detroit signed cv and bg..i dont think thats going to change much on thier team. those guys are good players but whats gonna happen with.stuckey? and whos gonna be thier starting center?.. miami hasnt upgraded, atlanta wil be the same. chicago lost a big time player in gordon but they have salmons and deng. now that leaves washington. Washington is a total unknown, sorely based off the fact we havent seen the "big three" in a while but with them being healthy and hungry from last years beatdown.. the wiz should be playing with a chip on thier shoulders the size of a mountain to prove not only to us fans but to thier peers that washington is not a joke. so i see them right up there with orlando,boston and cleveland.

as for cleveland adding shaq...its going to be a disaster which will ultimatley lead to lebron james going to ny (esp if they recruit jason kidd)

wiz 4th in the east 49 wins we will play detroit in the first round and win and that will set up a washington cleveland round 2 part IV

...being under 500 will not get you into the playoffs in the east anymore..

Posted by: mrhney03 | July 2, 2009 12:54 PM

It's only July 2nd. I have no doubt Ernie Grunfeld will make appropriations to shore up the weak front line and in doing so try and find a taker for Mike James' expiring contract. No clue as to who Ernie has his sights on - Zaza...Rasheed...Nesterovic...etc. - heck to be honest I'm not concerned about it right now because regardless of who gets brought in as a backup center/power forward the Wizards have more than enough pieces to make a move this year PROVIDED everyone is healthy. If Gilbert, Caron, Antawn, and Brendan can play 70+ games the additions of Foye and Miller should be a great compliment and ensure a playoff berth. My main concern for the Wizards are the two young guys who have got to step up this season or get out. Blatche and Young have got to get it going this season especially Andray. If he shows some consistency in his game the Wizards can make the 4th seed easy.

Posted by: blackman1 | July 2, 2009 12:55 PM

I think the more important development in Motor City is that Doug Collins pulled out of the coaching search.

Which leaves Avery Johnson the frontrunner for the job by a country mile.

If the current Pistons lockerroom had beef with Curry, they're going to have a hell of a time with a micro-manager like Avery Johnson. I do think that Detroit pretty much replaced Sheed and AI with younger, less talented versions of the same, at the same price.

If Les Boules are actually in playoff contention by next April, they'll probably finish higher than the Pistons. If the wheels come off (because we still don't have a decent medical staff, or we can't get the kind of rebounding help we need), we'll have more lottery ping-pong balls than Motown. (And they'll STILL get a higher pick than we do...Curse O' Goddamn Les Boulez...)

Posted by: mabkhar | July 2, 2009 1:00 PM

"If the current Pistons lockerroom had beef with Curry, they're going to have a hell of a time with a micro-manager like Avery Johnson."

That's another reason why a Hamilton trade wouldn't be a surprise. With him gone, that would leave Prince as the only holdover from the core of the team that went to the Finals, and Prince seems a lot less likely to lead a locker room uprising. That team has clearly had some ego/attitude issues over the years, and until that's cleaned up, it won't matter who the coach is. (of course, it would also help if Dumars stopped sh@tcanning coaches at the drop of a hat, to appease the players.)

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 2, 2009 1:05 PM

"It looks like Joe is trying to recreate/update the 3-guard attack the Bad Boys had with Dumars, Thomas, and Johnson, but that's a dicey prospect."

Very Dicey.

That combo worked because he had guys like Laimbeer, Mahorn and Rodman to put down some nasty. Who's gonna do that now? String beans like Prince and Villanueva? The back-up Kwame Brown?

I'd be very surprised if that squad actually makes the playoffs.

Posted by: mabkhar | July 2, 2009 1:19 PM

"You don't eat Najera's salary to get Josh Boone. You eat salary for a quality player...you can get Josh Boone quality anywhere."
Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 2, 2009 11:46 AM

Care to name some names of these centers who are available "over-the-counter"?

Fact is, even backup quality centers are a very scarce commodity in the NBA. Josh Boone is good enough to start for some NBA teams, he would be a very good backup for us.

Posted by: yop32 | July 2, 2009 1:23 PM

"That combo worked because he had guys like Laimbeer, Mahorn and Rodman to put down some nasty. Who's gonna do that now? String beans like Prince and Villanueva? The back-up Kwame Brown?"

Other than that, there is also a question of whether or not Gordon is willing to come off bench.

Posted by: sagaliba | July 2, 2009 1:32 PM

"I also agree "that the only thing Haywood really has on Camby is size and age," but then you continue to say that "but at this point in each of their careers, it's not helping Haywood much," which I disagree. I believe "at this point in each of their careers," it DOES matter. (Note that my comparison based soley on center position, where size matters more.)" - sagaliba

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Personally, I think Haywood is all hype because of the bad season the Wizards had after overachieving when he was playing. Produciton-wise, his last full season wasn't much better than the last time he average 27 minutes a game, though I do think he played better. More confidence, better intangibles on defense, and less mistakes. But Camby has been a top flight defensive center for a while now. He's maybe not as good as a he was a few years go, but he's still pretty good.

I would be curious to know just how tall they each are. Camby is listed at 6'11" and Haywood at 7'0". Though Haywood looks to have a much longer reach.

Posted by: segastyle | July 2, 2009 1:36 PM

Half of Oberto's contract is guaranteed. Wonder if he is willing to take in less money now?

Posted by: sagaliba | July 2, 2009 1:40 PM

Care to name some names of these centers who are available "over-the-counter"?

Are you serious? You think you can't find a C that can give you 4 points and 4 rebounds per game? How about Theo Ratliff...if you just want a big body down there.

My point was you don't take on Najera's salary for 2 years for Josh Boone, Theo Ratliff, Calvin Booth or anyone of that ability.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 2, 2009 1:46 PM

Haywood was never and will never be the center that Marcus Camby was or is. Camby blocks more shots and gets more rebounds in a game than Haywood gets in a season! Haywood is not in the same class with Camby. Take away Camby's career of injuries, and he'd be a possible HOF candidate. Haywood is still trying to figure out what to do with 7'1 in height!

Posted by: NothingButTheTruth | July 2, 2009 1:57 PM

segastyle wrote:
"I would be curious to know just how tall they each are. Camby is listed at 6'11" and Haywood at 7'0". Though Haywood looks to have a much longer reach."

Haywood has pretty long arms, but Camby is a quicker and better leaper. More importantly (for center position), Haywood is heavier, and can hold his position better, and also better at blocking out.

Camby at his prime is definitely better, but at this point, I would rank them pretty close (different type of players though). That's why I said "Camby? Maybe" (as someone who can start ahead of Haywood). But I would still prefer Haywood starting due to the pounding a starting center has to endure.

I was one of the few who believed in Haywood before the so-called "breakout season," and I believe that he will play even better now that EJ is gone. So we will just have to wait and see. :)

Posted by: sagaliba | July 2, 2009 2:05 PM

"I'm sorry AJ lead this team to 19 wins last year....he deserved the MVP award?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 2, 2009 1:51 AM "

Hmm, wonder why EG wasn't considered as GM of the year?

LMFAO!!!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 2, 2009 2:05 PM

No on Oberto. He was never anything more than a space filler for San Antonio, and he wasn't barely that the last couple of seasons, when Kurt Thomas took his spot in the rotation.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 2, 2009 2:06 PM

Anyway, I think the point is moot. Now that Randolph is traded, Clippers will just start Camby at PF along side Kaman, and have Griffin taking over next season.

Posted by: sagaliba | July 2, 2009 2:09 PM

"You think you can't find a C that can give you 4 points and 4 rebounds per game?"

Boone put up those numbers in very limited minutes. Per 40, he was still on double-double pace. The previous season, in 25 minutes per game, he put up 8.2 pts and 7.2 rebs. Factor in the fact that he won't turn 25 until the start of next season. Also consider the fact that he played very well alongside Villanueva while at UConn. Maybe he can recapture some of that success playing alongside a similar player in Antawn.

Posted by: yop32 | July 2, 2009 2:09 PM

Other than that, there is also a question of whether or not Gordon is willing to come off bench.

Posted by: sagaliba | July 2, 2009 1:32 PM

Gordon's arrival is different, a team source said.

"Ben agreed to come here knowing he would come off the bench," the source said. "That makes it completely different than Iverson coming here ... Gordon is choosing to come here and play the super sub role."

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/david_aldridge/07/01/pistons.signings/index.html

Not a bad gig...multimillions for several years of sitting on the bench. I couldn't complain either.

Posted by: crs-one | July 2, 2009 2:13 PM

"Boone put up those numbers in very limited minutes. "

Boone played 16 mpg last season, which is likely about what he'd be playing as Haywood's backup on the Wiz. He's not going to be seeing 25 mpg here.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 2, 2009 2:14 PM

Boone put up those numbers in very limited minutes. Per 40, he was still on double-double pace. The previous season, in 25 minutes per game, he put up 8.2 pts and 7.2 rebs. Factor in the fact that he won't turn 25 until the start of next season. Also consider the fact that he played very well alongside Villanueva while at UConn. Maybe he can recapture some of that success playing alongside a similar player in Antawn.

You're thinking small. Even if Boone comes in and gives you 8 and 7...you have to eat Najera's salary. Then after the season when Haywood and Butler need to be extended, if Najera and Boone's added salaries end up lowballing Caron and he ends up walking....you basically lost Butler for 8 and 7 off the bench.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 2, 2009 2:16 PM

Boone will be a restricted free agent next summer, so we retain some flexibility to resign BTH.

Caron doesn't become a free agent until 2011. DeShawn's contract also expires in 2011, so we should be OK there, too.

If we can get through the season without any significant injuries to our front court players, then we don't need a fifth or sixth big man. But if we do get hit with some injuries, 8.2pts and 7.2rebs along with 25 minutes of decent defense from Boone might sound pretty good.

Posted by: yop32 | July 2, 2009 2:33 PM

On raw talent alone, I agree with Wood that we're right up there in the top 4. That could change, of course, if Gilbert's injury resurfaces -- but the injury bug could also bite the other top teams in Cleveland (with Shaq) and Boston (older team/injuries). Orlando I think is clearly superior but only if they keep Turkoglu and Gortat -- without those two guys, that team is not deep at all and can be beat. No guarantee that Orlando goes well over the cap in order to sign those guys. So I think we're one frontcourt signing away from being in competition for the ECF. Side note: Memphis's GM must be an idiot for making that trade. Detroit's new line up puts them in contention for the tail end of the lottery.

Posted by: dpclark | July 2, 2009 3:04 PM

IMHO, Detroit should have just sucked it up for one year. Gordon and Villenueva for five years? Good guys for a team, but not worthy of using ALL your cap room. I wouldn't trade Caron for both of those guys, yet they're each making the same as he is.
I'm with Kal on the No to Oberto.

Posted by: creativefunk | July 2, 2009 3:16 PM

What's Peter John Ramos doing these days? We could probably get him back for a buck and a quarter.

Posted by: original_mark | July 2, 2009 3:21 PM

PJR is Gheorge Muresan's caddy.

Posted by: creativefunk | July 2, 2009 3:23 PM

Go Ernie Go - Trade James Trade James Trade James Trade James Trade James Trade James Trade James Trade James Trade James Trade James Trade James


Bring in Marcus Camby, Drew Gooden, Chris Anderson, or Marc Gasol

Bring in Marcus Camby, Drew Gooden, Chris Anderson, or Marc Gasol

Bring in Marcus Camby, Drew Gooden, Chris Anderson, or Marc Gasol

Bring in Marcus Camby, Drew Gooden, Chris Anderson, or Marc Gasol


Bring in Camby, Gooden, Anderson, or Marc Gasol

Posted by: liveride | July 2, 2009 4:14 PM

"Bring in Marcus Camby, Drew Gooden, Chris Anderson, or Marc Gasol

Bring in Marcus Camby, Drew Gooden, Chris Anderson, or Marc Gasol

Bring in Marcus Camby, Drew Gooden, Chris Anderson, or Marc Gasol

Bring in Marcus Camby, Drew Gooden, Chris Anderson, or Marc Gasol


Bring in Camby, Gooden, Anderson, or Marc Gasol

Posted by: liveride | July 2, 2009 4:14 PM "

Yeah, only if EG was playing NBA Live 2010.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 2, 2009 4:16 PM

Report that Knicks want to offer Kidds multi-year contract but do not want to cut into their 2010 cap space. So I think there is a possibility for James – Jefferies trade. Yeah, Jefferies is another lanky tall guy, not really a bruising PF that everyone is talking about, but at least he fits in better than James, and he plays pretty good D.

Posted by: sagaliba | July 2, 2009 4:56 PM

"...Personally, I think Haywood is all hype because of the bad season the Wizards had after overachieving when he was playing. Produciton-wise, his last full season wasn't much better than the last time he average 27 minutes a game, though I do think he played better. More confidence, better intangibles on defense, and less mistakes..."

Were at any games during BH's "break-out" year? Obviously not or you would not be making that statement. BH matured into a real NBA 5 that year. He not only played much better he was the one player on the court with huge heart and toughness. BH was constantly backing up his teamates when the other team threw cheap shots and standing up for CB, and others when the extracuricular activity started under the basket. BH clearly had his teammates back. The only reason his #s didnt improve was because EJ held down his minutes--practicing that same passive agressive petty crap that got him fired. BH has clearly become the heart of the Wiz team. Look for CB and BH to will this team to the playoffs next year.

Posted by: oddjob2 | July 2, 2009 7:11 PM

Well, looks like the World Champs just got better....Artest will be signing there.

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/15861966?source=rss_blogs_NBA

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 2, 2009 7:23 PM

"Well, looks like the World Champs just got better....Artest will be signing there."

Perhaps. But I wonder how the team will deal with Artest, who's unstable on a good day.

Or the bigs, who will bust their butt for another 60+ wins only to see their PT reduced when Shaq decides he wants to play (which will be around Feb. or March).

Or their coach Al Roker, who will have to juggle more crazy and egos. Plus he'll have play criticized next season by coaches who'll be positioning for his job. Maybe he should talk to PhilJax, who tried to juggle the Shaq/Kobe/Malone/Payton foursome that was "destined" to win it all.

Posted by: pryme54 | July 2, 2009 8:29 PM

Damn, scratch those last paragraphs. I have to stop posting on more than one blog at the same time.

I meant to add: "If Kobe can't control Artest, it'll be a short season."

Posted by: pryme54 | July 2, 2009 8:33 PM

Against better judgment, I was hoping that EG's plan to 'comb the leftovers' of free agency was a smokescreen, but now it appears Gortat will sign with Dallas for the full MLE. Don't we have our MLE intact? And even if a long term deal (like the 5 years Dallas is allegedly giving him) conflicts with Caron and BTH's imminent free agency, Gortat's only 25. With our unbalanced roster, are we really sitting on our hands? Am I overrating this guy?

Posted by: gilbertarenasisgreat | July 2, 2009 8:39 PM

I have no clue what Detroit is trying to accomplish. Dumars is losing it. Detroit just spent a whole bunch of money to barely make the playoffs? I don't get it whatsoever.

As far as Cleveland is concerned, their frontcourt was old slow and could not guard the pick and roll etc... I don't think that changes one bit with Shaq. Artest to Cleveland changes everything, but now it appears Artest is going to LA, which basically means everyone else is playing for second place.

If Oberto is out there, I hope we pick him up. Yeah, he is "space filler", but he is very solid space filler and we don't need much more than that.

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 2, 2009 9:03 PM

Cleveland did not get better. Shaq wont play the end of close games, ergo when its time to win, Lebron got no help in the deal. Artest would have been perfect, move Bron to the 4.i hope the Lakers lose Odom too.

Orlando traded Turkoglu Lee Alston Battie and Gortat for Same age same defense as college teamate,traded on draft day, Antawn Jamison; Vince Carter

Does KG ever play again?
Allen and Pierce have miles

Detroit Chicago got worse

if the third operation was to rub some Cream and the Clear on the bone, I could see ECF.
I remember a healthy Gil and if LeTravel gets called, Damon Jones misses, Antawn closes the Baseline, theres a sweep. Healthy Gil and Haywood for 76+ games, they'll be there. And Gil's a closer...

Detroit and

Posted by: Chocolate_City | July 2, 2009 10:23 PM

it is not going tobehard for the wiz to win the south east division title.
1/ they have the best coache
2/ very deep at the back court with three gards shooting behind the arc.
3/ better ball movment
4/ potential improvment in the front court with FA(veteran ) and trade.

Posted by: gtefferra | July 2, 2009 10:26 PM

"it is not going tobehard for the wiz to win the south east division title.
1/ they have the best coache
2/ very deep at the back court with three gards shooting behind the arc.
3/ better ball movment
4/ potential improvment in the front court with FA(veteran ) and trade.

Posted by: gtefferra | July 2, 2009 10:26 PM "

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

LMFAO!!

Clearly someone who's delusional.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 2, 2009 10:40 PM

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

LMFAO!!

Clearly someone who's delusional.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 2, 2009 10:40 PM

I wish you were literally L'ing your MFAO. You seem like someone who deserves to have his A fall O.

Posted by: satchmore | July 2, 2009 10:52 PM

"I wish you were literally L'ing your MFAO. You seem like someone who deserves to have his A fall O.

Posted by: satchmore | July 2, 2009 10:52 PM "

Just like you wish Les BouleS would stop continuing to be a joke of a f'n team.

Not gonna happen.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 2, 2009 11:16 PM

"Am I overrating this guy?"

You wouldn't be the only one. His name's getting thrown around a lot. He looks to me to be poised to be the next DeSagana Diop or Jerome James, a big man of moderate talent who parlays a small but timely supporting performance in a playoff run into a fat payday only to have his limitations laid bare when asked to contribute in a larger role.

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Posted by: ukhan93 | July 3, 2009 12:24 AM

The Lakers' addition of Artest is one of those moves that looks great at the outset, but will look not-so-good in hindsight. Artest was a better fit in Houston's lineup. It also means a significant change in the personality of the team... expect the Lakers to be wildly inconsistent in the first half of the season, and then show progress in the second half, only to fold by the end of the second round in the playoffs.

The trade of Ariza to Houston just looks like a desperate team that knows their star is likely to be out, trying to compensate however it can. Whatever he's making, you can be sure that Ariza is getting paid too much.

Posted by: satchmore | July 3, 2009 12:34 AM

One interesting titbit on Gordon's move to Detroit:

Some people may recall Gilbert posting some criticism on his blog last year about Ben Gordon and Luol Deng each turning down something in the neighborhood of 5 yrs/50 mil. Gordon subsequently got all huffy about Arenas' statements. Turns out he (&/or his agent) actually thought the same thing, but got rejected. See excerpt from ESPN story on Gordon's latest move:

"Gordon reportedly rejected $50 million offers from the Bulls the last two summers. Bulls chairman Jerry Reinsdorf said Gordon's agent Raymond Brothers wanted to accept the five-year, $50 million offer last summer after initially rejecting it, but the Bulls decided it was too late and took the offer off the table." No wonder Gordon was mad! Arenas hit the nail on the head.

Posted by: satchmore | July 3, 2009 12:55 AM

So it turns out Rubio is taking his ball and going home to Spain for two years. Looks like EG's instincts were correct after all.

Posted by: dgack | July 3, 2009 2:39 AM

Ernie,
What's next? Do you have any desire to win a championship? I look at the stats indicating that the Wizards have the third highest payroll in the NBA and wonder why? The team hasn't been close to winning in several years, and only got to round one or two in the playoffs. Give us your A game for developing a team, you seam to be resting on your laurels of yester-years. All the big time teams are tweaking their rosters, they never stop. What about the Wizards? The East is getting stronger, the Wizards are pulling up the rear as usual. I want something cheer about, to get excited about! How about a big time big man coach or something significant, the addition of Miller and Foye don't qualify.

Posted by: zbopjazz | July 3, 2009 8:39 AM

"So it turns out Rubio is taking his ball and going home to Spain for two years. Looks like EG's instincts were correct after all.

Posted by: dgack | July 3, 2009 2:39 AM "

Please.

EG's instincts told him that RR wasn't going to be there at the 5 spot. That's why he traded the pick.

Of course, EG's instincts were wrong. Nothing new there.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 3, 2009 8:44 AM

" No wonder Gordon was mad! Arenas hit the nail on the head.

Posted by: satchmore | July 3, 2009 12:55 AM "

Gordon was upset that Gilby opened up his mouth about another player's bidness. There's an unwritten rule that players mind their own business when it comes to comment about other player's contracts.

Most other players out there refrain themselves when asked about Gilby and just say that Gilby is being Gilby when asked by reporters. Gilby hasn't shown the same respect or common sense.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 3, 2009 8:50 AM

"The Lakers' addition of Artest is one of those moves that looks great at the outset, but will look not-so-good in hindsight. Artest was a better fit in Houston's lineup. It also means a significant change in the personality of the team... expect the Lakers to be wildly inconsistent in the first half of the season, and then show progress in the second half, only to fold by the end of the second round in the playoffs.

The trade of Ariza to Houston just looks like a desperate team that knows their star is likely to be out, trying to compensate however it can. Whatever he's making, you can be sure that Ariza is getting paid too much.

Posted by: satchmore | July 3, 2009 12:34 AM "

Artest's arrival will bring a lot more toughness and smart basketball instincts to the team. It's a great coup by the Lakers. Artest showed last season that he could control his anger, and with Kobe on the team, whom he respects a lot, there should be no issues.

It'll be akin to MJ putting the kibosh on Rodman's antics and setting the right tone and focus. Lakers easily favored to repeat again next season.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 3, 2009 8:52 AM

I agree with DC_MAN88 - Lakers look really really good now. (Although I don't know where all of his anger came from recently. His posts used to be long, over-written, but focused on an analysis of the Wiz.)

Anyway -
Cleveland brought in Shaq to deal with Howard in Orlando. Orlando brought in Vinsanity to overcome an overpowering closer on Cleveland. Both teams hope that team chemistry will work out. We hope it doesn't.

The Wiz are living a dream from almost 2 years ago. It's possible these guys gel and we're a top 5 team. The NBA is changing -- Although Howard was dominant in the Cleveland series, that team won because of its crazy perimeter shooting. We're hopefully coming close to that.

Posted by: shah11 | July 3, 2009 9:56 AM

"He looks to me to be poised to be the next DeSagana Diop or Jerome James, a big man of moderate talent who parlays a small but timely supporting performance in a playoff run into a fat payday only to have his limitations laid bare when asked to contribute in a larger role."

Bullets fan should remember Isaac Austin, Jim McIlvaine and Calvin Booth. :)

Posted by: sagaliba | July 3, 2009 10:34 AM

"Of course, EG's instincts were wrong. Nothing new there." - DCMan

No, you're actually wrong, as usual. EG made the correct decision not to waste a chance to bring in players who will make an immediate impact on a veteran roster by bringing in an 18 year old overrated European player who could jump ship before the season started.

Whether Rubio was there at the 5 or not wasn't a consideration for EG and his quote said so when he stated that the ONLY player in the draft who could make an impact on the current roster was Blake Griffon.

Posted by: jon_quest | July 3, 2009 12:40 PM

"So it turns out Rubio is taking his ball and going home to Spain for two years. Looks like EG's instincts were correct after all.Posted by: dgack"

I don't know if it was his instincts or just analysis that convinced him that although there were some very good players in this class, nobody was good enough to save his job for another couple years -- except Blake Griffin.

And he very well might have been right. It was hard for me to understand Minnesota giving up Foye and Miller for what amounted to Songaila and the five pick. Plus taking two other undesirable contracts off the Wiz' hands.

But it turns out they're thinking about 2013 and 2014 instead of 2010. Still don't understand them drafting Rubio, however. They had to know he'd be a hassle to sign.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 3, 2009 2:43 PM

Echoing Michael Lee recently, this is a pivotal year for the Wiz and for EG. EG, rightly or wrongly, has put all his eggs in the big three basket in hopes that they will finally get over the hump and go deep in the playoffs.

I don't think injuries will work anymore as an excuse. I think this team probably needs to go to the Eastern Conference finals or perhaps as a minimum making a good showing in the second round of the playoffs. If they don't go this far there will be more and more pressure on EG to break up the big three (and could it have ramifications for EG even keeping his job?).

I am basically more positive towards what EG has done with the Wiz than negative, but I think he could be reaching a croosroads period in his career with the Wiz.

Posted by: cannontl | July 3, 2009 4:25 PM

I don't know how you could predict Artest's impact on the Lakers. That's one of those teams with a strong identity of its own, independent of its stars. From a basketball standpoint, Artest is plainly a big plus. But from a team standpoint, maybe not so much. The question is whether he'll fit in with the personalities in Los Angeles. I'm guessing it's a ring he wants, and the media exposure of Hollywood. He has dreams of fame in the performing arts, remember.

But I agree Ariza is overrated based on his value to the Lakers during the playoffs. Can't imagine he'll be as helpful to the Rockets. That's a team that is bound to struggle in the coming season.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 3, 2009 4:29 PM

I think the current roster of big men the Wiz have could almost suffice if two things could happen:

1. McGee makes a great leap in development in his second year.

2. Blatche finally becomes the consistent player we have been waiting for him to be.

I think McGee will be at least somewhat better than he was last year, but how much remains to be seen.

I know the new coach has been working with Blatche. He needs to finally show the Wiz that he can be a consistently useful player for them or it might be time to part ways with him.

Posted by: cannontl | July 3, 2009 4:40 PM

"I would be curious to know just how tall they each are. Camby is listed at 6'11" and Haywood at 7'0". Though Haywood looks to have a much longer reach.Posted by: segastyle"

Who knows exactly how tall they are now -- we all tend to settle with age, right? -- but Haywood was a true big man when he came into the league, measuring 7'1.5" in his 'Didases with a wingspan of 7'6.5", and a standing reach of 9'5.5". When you're that big, you don't have to jump all that far.

Camby was probably half an inch to an inch shorter, but as somebody pointed out, he's a hell of a lot better leaper, too. And probably a good 20-30 pounds lighter than Brendan.

We'd be a better team with both of them. But I don't see that happening.



Posted by: Samson151 | July 3, 2009 4:43 PM

When I look at Detroit, I don't see a team that's better now than it was before they traded Billups. It's almost like Dumars is trying to play disciplined basketball without a disciplines point guard. I felt better about that team when I thought they were just saving up chips for the LeBron or Bosh derbies next season, but for the life of me I can't see the value of either Gordon or Villanueva if Stuckey stays at the point. Maybe it's just me -- I don't know the team that well -- but I'm getting the feeling that Dumars may actually have succumbed to the 'blow it up and start over' mania you sometimes hear around this blog. You know, 'addition by subtraction'?

This was one of the clubs I admired most.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 3, 2009 4:47 PM

Our current roster of big men is good enough for the regular season, but for the playoffs, we need help at center.

Brendan is excellent, but two months straight of battles every other day against Dwight Howard, Kendrick Perkins, Shaq, and Bynum is asking an awful lot.

I don't see anyone available with the kind of strength needed to battle those guys straight up, unless you want to gamble on Eddy Curry getting his life together.

Instead, we should be looking for someone with decent strength who runs the break and is good in the pick and roll. Someone with the strength to battle in the post for a few minutes per game, once Brendan tires them out a little. Someone to make those big centers run hard all over the court.

Varejao would be perfect, but we probably can't afford him. If I were EG, I'd offer him the full MLE. If we get him, great, if not, at least we helped push the price up.

Ronny Turiaf would be good, but I don't think the Warriors are looking for expiring contracts.

Josh Boone might work and is probably available, but he seems to have regressed as a player over the last season. Another drawback is that we'd definitely have to take on a non-expiring contract or two and maybe give up one of our young players in the deal.

Maybe someone good becomes available at the trade deadline.

Posted by: yop32 | July 3, 2009 5:33 PM

There are two separate issues that go into evaluating Dumars' moves: A) The decision to break up the old team and (B) The decision to start building the new one by spending all of his FA was on Gordon and Villenueva.

The first one was definitely the right call. That team had not only gone as far as it was going to go, it had already started to recede. Age, injuries, cap considerations, and the growing air of arrogance in the locker room had pretty much made it impossible change the direction on the court without making major changes to the makeup. They'd squeezed all the juice they were going to get out of that group of players. And given Dumars's personal experience of how badly and sharply a team and a franchise can head south when management holds on too long, trying to milk one more run out of a team of old horses (the end of the Bad Boys was pretty ugly to watch), I can see why he'd be determined not to make the same mistake. I think he definitely made the right call to go in a new direction now. How he went about it and the direction he chose to go in are more questionable. I have to believe that Gordon and Villenueva are just the first in a series of moves, otherwise he spent a lot of money for the chance to wrestle with Atlanta, Chicago, and Washington for the 5-7 playoff seeds.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 3, 2009 5:41 PM

"Bullets fan should remember Isaac Austin, Jim McIlvaine and Calvin Booth."

Posted by: sagaliba | July 3, 2009 10:34 AM

Good point. Jimmy Mac was the first thing that came to mind when I saw how much teams are offering Gortat.

Also, I wish people would stop quoting M. Lee's stat about the Wiz having the 3rd highest payroll at this time. That's becoming even worse than the tired tune of "we were in first place at the all-star break 3 years ago."

The only thing that stat means is that the Wiz were not in position to make this the offseason where they make a big free agent splash. Period.

Yeah. The Wiz rank in the top three in salary right now, but that is because RIGHT NOW very few teams in the NBA could even field a team of 10 players. Plus unsigned RFAs who will usually come back to their team are not counted on the ranking.

Once the season actually does start I would guarantee that the Wiz will not be in the top 5 and expect them to be somewhere between 10-15. That's right where you expect a playoff team that would be thrilled to finish with a seed as high as #3 in the east.

Posted by: SportzWiz | July 3, 2009 5:52 PM

"Whether Rubio was there at the 5 or not wasn't a consideration for EG and his quote said so when he stated that the ONLY player in the draft who could make an impact on the current roster was Blake Griffon.

Posted by: jon_quest | July 3, 2009 12:40 PM "

Who the F are you? Someone posing with a different name.

It was clear in the draft that Blake was going #1. What was also clear was that many teams were interested in RR.

If EG had waited and not pre ejacked...he would have drafted RR and used that pick to get way more than the bodies that he got from Minn.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 3, 2009 5:56 PM

"I don't know how you could predict Artest's impact on the Lakers. That's one of those teams with a strong identity of its own, independent of its stars. From a basketball standpoint, Artest is plainly a big plus. But from a team standpoint, maybe not so much. The question is whether he'll fit in with the personalities in Los Angeles. I'm guessing it's a ring he wants, and the media exposure of Hollywood. He has dreams of fame in the performing arts, remember.

But I agree Ariza is overrated based on his value to the Lakers during the playoffs. Can't imagine he'll be as helpful to the Rockets. That's a team that is bound to struggle in the coming season.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 3, 2009 4:29 PM "

It's clear to me that Artest has turned a new leaf and isn't the same knucklehead that he was in Indy.

He was able to help carry the Houston Rockets into the playoffs without TMac and Yao where they beat Portland and lost to the eventual champs.

He speaks reverently of Kobe.

I think he'll just try to fit in with the Lakers, but surely, he'll kick some behind if he needs to.

I'll tell you this, if Raja Bell ever tries to pull that clothesline on Kobe like he did back when he was with the Suns, Artest will make him his own personal hand puppet.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 3, 2009 6:02 PM

It was clear in the draft that Blake was going #1. What was also clear was that many teams were interested in RR.

If EG had waited and not pre ejacked...he would have drafted RR and used that pick to get way more than the bodies that he got from Minn.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 3, 2009 5:56 PM

You THINK you know everything!

As jon_quest stated, Grunfield said that he would have still made the trade even if he knew Rubio would be there at #5. Grunfield said the only way he would have been disappointed is if Blake Griffin had fell to 5 - and everyone knew that was not going to happen.

In fact, Grunfield did not even have Rubio as his 2nd choice...his choice behind Griffin was Tyreke Evans.

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 3, 2009 6:45 PM

People who have insisted that the Wizards should've drafted Rubio now find themselves in the difficult position of eating a plateful of crow. Knowing what you know now, would you say that Minnesota enjoys an "improved bargaining position"? The TWolves are about to get hosed. It now appears that Rubio will go back overseas, and in doing so will make more money than he would playing in the NBA. Whether he plays in the NBA is his decision alone, and Minnesota will eventually look to take anything of value in exchange for his draft rights.

Furthermore, under the league's collective bargaining agreement, Rubio has the option of sitting out for a year (i.e., not playing anywhere for a year) and reentering next year's draft, stripping Minnesota of any value to this year's #5 pick. See http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-42-5/Ricky-Rubio-s-Nuclear-Option.html.

Washington would have had an "improved bargaining position" had they chosen Rubio? Don't make me L my AO.

Posted by: satchmore | July 3, 2009 7:30 PM

While it's true that Ernie could have waited until the draft was underway to trade the pick, Rubio's decision to go back to Spain shows why signing him and trading his rights would have been a huge strategic blunder.

Anyone who's ever played Texas Hold'Em knows that this is a universal truth: when you're holding superior cards, it's better to win a moderate pot than it is to lose entirely by being greedy and going for the big haul.

Posted by: dgack | July 3, 2009 7:56 PM

Watching the player movement, I'm still thinking two teams that improved themselves the most so far are the Spurs and the Wiz.

Of course they weren't exactly starting in the same place...

Posted by: Samson151 | July 3, 2009 8:23 PM

All these people saying that the Wizards should've held onto the pick until the draft, what happens when someone makes a deal with Sacremento to jump to 4? And takes Rubio? What if Sacremento takes the Minnesota offer instead? Ernie takes Tyreke....is Evans better than Foye and Miller? I say no.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 3, 2009 8:39 PM

"Watching the player movement, I'm still thinking two teams that improved themselves the most so far are the Spurs and the Wiz.

Of course they weren't exactly starting in the same place...

Posted by: Samson151 | July 3, 2009 8:23 PM "

So I take it you're blind?

Portland clearly didn't improve more than Les BouleS with the signing of Turk.

Lakers clearly didn't improve more than Les BouleS with the signing of Artest.

Detroit clearly didn't get better with the signing of Air Gordon and CVill.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 3, 2009 9:58 PM

"Washington would have had an "improved bargaining position" had they chosen Rubio? Don't make me L my AO.

Posted by: satchmore | July 3, 2009 7:30 PM "

For a guy who bases all his arguments on hypotheticals, it's comical how sure you are of almost everything Les BouleS does as being the best move.

Clearly, it's based on Les BouleS's successful history.

LMFAO!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 3, 2009 10:01 PM

"You THINK you know everything!

As jon_quest stated, Grunfield said that he would have still made the trade even if he knew Rubio would be there at #5. Grunfield said the only way he would have been disappointed is if Blake Griffin had fell to 5 - and everyone knew that was not going to happen.

In fact, Grunfield did not even have Rubio as his 2nd choice...his choice behind Griffin was Tyreke Evans.

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 3, 2009 6:45 PM "

I may think I know everything, but what I predicted the last 2-3 seasons did come true.

How did your boy Gilby do the past 2 seasons? Yeah, you can STFU now.

If you read Mike Lee's post, he commented that EG said he would have done the same thing as he did with trading the 5th pick even with RR on the board, but of course, as Mike Lee said, what else can he say now?

How is that 2.5 mil being used now to improve the team?

How was last season's Bill Walker 750k used?

How is it going now with EG getting rid of the very players that he signed and drafted onto this team?

How is it working now with the team having the 3rd highest payroll in the league, but a gaping hole at the 4 and 5 back up spots?

How did max money work out last season?

How did 2 healthy all stars work out last season?

Why am I asking Lisa_R questions when she knows no more than a 2 year old about basketball affairs?

TFJ!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 3, 2009 10:08 PM

"Portland clearly didn't improve more than Les BouleS with the signing of Turk.Lakers clearly didn't improve more than Les BouleS with the signing of Artest.Detroit clearly didn't get better with the signing of Air Gordon and CVill.Posted by: DC_MAN88 |"

I'd say it's a matter of opinion. Portland was a pretty good club to start with, and it's unlikely you'll see a big jump in their won-loss record attributable to the presence of the tall Turk. LA loses Ariza, gets Artest, and is how much better? They're already champs. Detroit is undergoing so much turnover that the addition of two talented but flawed players may not get them out of the first round.

The Spurs, on the other hand, have protected themselves against another lose season from Ginobili, and the Wiz have great improved their outside shooting as well as gained some protection against more lost time from Arenas.

By the way, I hear that Propofol stuff is really good for a raging case of dyspepsia...

Posted by: Samson151 | July 3, 2009 10:27 PM

Detroit just spent a whole bunch of money to barely make the playoffs? I don't get it whatsoever.

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 2, 2009 9:03 PM

Ernie spent as much and hasn't won anything, but people think he's great?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 3, 2009 10:40 PM

"I'd say it's a matter of opinion. Portland was a pretty good club to start with, and it's unlikely you'll see a big jump in their won-loss record attributable to the presence of the tall Turk. LA loses Ariza, gets Artest, and is how much better? They're already champs. Detroit is undergoing so much turnover that the addition of two talented but flawed players may not get them out of the first round.

The Spurs, on the other hand, have protected themselves against another lose season from Ginobili, and the Wiz have great improved their outside shooting as well as gained some protection against more lost time from Arenas.

By the way, I hear that Propofol stuff is really good for a raging case of dyspepsia...

Posted by: Samson151 | July 3, 2009 10:27 PM "

Turk has since reneged on agreement with Portland, but even if you are able to downplay the improvement of the Lakers and the Pistons, still unjustified is your claim that Les BouleS got that much better, because they didn't. New system, new coach, guys getting back from injuries, overlap in positions, etc. Keep dreaming.

Yeah, I'm sure you're a user, because no one else on this blog can dream up such magnificent BS.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 3, 2009 10:42 PM

"Ernie spent as much and hasn't won anything, but people think he's great?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 3, 2009 10:40 PM "

C'mon, leave the people in the mental ward alone!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 3, 2009 11:08 PM

As far as who's improved the most, look at it this way. Pretend the Wiz were 19 and whatever without GA, BH, MM, and RF on the team, which is essentially the case. Your telling me the Wiz are not one of the most improved teams for the coming season. There is no argument to be made here. Clearly, a couple teams started from a different spot, but most improved team in terms of win differential from the year before will be the Wiz hands down.

And don't even bring up the Pistons. They will be lucky to grab the 7/8th seed and have no chance in the playoffs. If things go well, the Wiz can be a 4th seed and do something in the playoffs. Orlando has also fallen backwards. Losing Lee, Gortat, and Turk and adding VC is not improving whatsoever. Adding 80-year-old Shaq to Cleveland does not guarantee anything for Cleveland although Lebron does not need much as we have seen.

I like SA's moves and Portland's and LA's (locked up title if healthy), but, guess what, those teams are all in the West. Our competition has remained the same or digressed (Orlando). Go Wiz!

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 4, 2009 12:04 AM

Detroit just spent a whole bunch of money to barely make the playoffs? I don't get it whatsoever.

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 2, 2009 9:03 PM

Ernie spent as much and hasn't won anything, but people think he's great?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 3, 2009 10:40 PM
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Dude, can anything be said without you parlaying it into some negative comment about the Wiz? Why your username is bulletsfan78 I'll never know. Detroit's moves simply don't make sense. Yeah, I get starting over. I don't get spending that much money on Gordon, a sixth man, and CV. CV? Really is that who your going to start your rebuilding process with?

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 4, 2009 12:16 AM

"As far as who's improved the most, look at it this way. Pretend the Wiz were 19 and whatever without GA, BH, MM, and RF on the team, which is essentially the case. Your telling me the Wiz are not one of the most improved teams for the coming season. There is no argument to be made here. Clearly, a couple teams started from a different spot, but most improved team in terms of win differential from the year before will be the Wiz hands down.

And don't even bring up the Pistons. They will be lucky to grab the 7/8th seed and have no chance in the playoffs. If things go well, the Wiz can be a 4th seed and do something in the playoffs. Orlando has also fallen backwards. Losing Lee, Gortat, and Turk and adding VC is not improving whatsoever. Adding 80-year-old Shaq to Cleveland does not guarantee anything for Cleveland although Lebron does not need much as we have seen.

I like SA's moves and Portland's and LA's (locked up title if healthy), but, guess what, those teams are all in the West. Our competition has remained the same or digressed (Orlando). Go Wiz!

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 4, 2009 12:04 AM "

WTF are you talking about?

Reread the original post and it says:

"Watching the player movement, I'm still thinking two teams that improved themselves the most so far are the Spurs and the Wiz.

Of course they weren't exactly starting in the same place...

Posted by: Samson151 | July 3, 2009 8:23 PM "

The post says absolutely nothing in regard to anyone coming back from injury. It's about player movement via free agency and trades and how Les BouleS are within the top 2 "improved" based on that.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 4, 2009 12:19 AM

"I was one of the few who believed in Haywood before the so-called "breakout season," and I believe that he will play even better now that EJ is gone. So we will just have to wait and see." - sagaliba

I was/am too. I was calling constantly for hime to get more minutes. He's certainly the best center we've had the last 4 years. What I have issue with is his so-called "breakout season." His numbers the last time he was able to average 27 minutes a game (in 04-05) were eerily similar to his last full season with us.

Honestly, I think he has definitely improved since then, especially on defense, but actual production on the court (based on stats) has been pretty steady for 5 or so seasons. It makes me wonder if his 'breakout season' was really just getting minutes on the floor. The scary thing is, even without Thomas that season, he still couldn't manage more than 27 minutes a game. I'm hoping that was more of a product of EJ's decision-making than a lack of stamina, skill, or foul trouble.

I'm pretty excited about Flip Saunders. I think he tends to get the best out of his players. He's one of those coaches you will change his scheme in order to put players in the right spot for them to succeed, rather than try and force the players to fit a role or scheme.

Posted by: segastyle | July 4, 2009 12:26 AM

"If EG had waited and not pre ejacked...he would have drafted RR and used that pick to get way more than the bodies that he got from Minn." - DCMan

That's working out great for Minn right now, isn't it? They unloaded a former #7 who is at minimum a long term starter AND a 10M expiring contract for a what was a risk and is already an embarrassment.

Posted by: jon_quest | July 4, 2009 12:34 AM

Segastyle,

Haywood's stats have never been overwhelming. What Haywood brings is an excellent NBA floor game, an improved offensive game to where you can send it to him down low a handful of times a game and let him go to work (like to see more plays called for him), a very solid rebounder especially on the offensive boards, and a very solid defensive presence on the ball or off. He is also by far our strongest player. And, as far as minutes are concerned, I think that was definitely more of EJ's genuis. Everything I've heard about Haywood's conditioning has been that he is always in tip top shape as evidenced by his return at the end of last season and looking like he barely missed any time at all. He jumped right in and played major minutes.

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 4, 2009 12:50 AM

For a guy who bases all his arguments on hypotheticals, it's comical how sure you are of almost everything Les BouleS does as being the best move.

Clearly, it's based on Les BouleS's successful history.

LMFAO!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 3, 2009 10:01 PM

C'mon, where's the Wizards' "improved bargaining position" now? You've insisted all along that they should have held onto the pick, and you've been wrong all along. Or perhaps there's some hypo angle that you would take to make it make sense - a skill you've no doubt mastered playing D&D in mom's basement. "LMFAO!"


Posted by: satchmore | July 4, 2009 1:31 AM

wow, turkoglu is in toronto now!!
i honestly think wizards can beat the magin now because they have lost three important pieces to their easter conference champion team (lee, alston, turkoglu) and it looks like they will probably lose gortat as well. i think orlando have taken a huge step backwards now that turkoglu and VC is not enough to fill to void

Posted by: bullets8890 | July 4, 2009 3:02 AM

The Raptors had been flirting with Shawn Marion for a week or so, before switching their affections to Turk. He had a great season in Orlando, although he actually played better the year before. Hedo's FG percentage was down to 41% in 2008, from 46% in 2006-07, and his 3 point accuracy was down from 40 to 36%. In fact, if you look at his career, there's a fairly wide variation in shooting accuracy from season to season.

The LA TImes is speculating that Portland could now go after Odom, who regards himself as a small forward and not the PF where Jackson puts him. I imagine Artest's signing hasn't improved his morale, either. Hard to imagine somebody leaving a championship squad voluntarily, but it happens.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 4, 2009 6:46 AM

Orlando was a nightmare with the 6'10 Turkolou handling the ball a lot of the time especially in the 4th quarter. Vince makes them have more of a traditional line-up that should be easier to defend.

Posted by: ptp23 | July 4, 2009 6:48 AM

I don't think the Magic considered Alston an important piece of their team once Nelson found his way back on the court. It's a weird team anyway, as so many have pointed out -- a dominant center and four jump shooters. The Lakers defensed them effectively in part because they had quick, tall players on the perimeter and they swarmed Howard underneath. The Lakers match up well with Orlando but I suspect a bunch of teams will be using similar defensive schemes next year. I haven't seen any sign to date that Howard is developing a post-up game but maybe he'll surprise us.

Orlando needs a scoring big man. Where they'll find one, I don't know.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 4, 2009 6:54 AM

By the way, what Nelson provides Orlando is consistent penetration. That's been their best weapon against the Lakers in the regular season. LA had trouble finding anyone to stay in front of Nelson when he drove to the basket. Losing Turk will hurt, but they may be a stronger club in other ways.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 4, 2009 6:57 AM

C'mon, where's the Wizards' "improved bargaining position" now? You've insisted all along that they should have held onto the pick, and you've been wrong all along. Or perhaps there's some hypo angle that you would take to make it make sense - a skill you've no doubt mastered playing D&D in mom's basement. "LMFAO!"


Posted by: satchmore | July 4, 2009 1:31 AM

Whether or not you think I've been "wrong all along" doesn't matter, because it's more likely that you're wrong.

What is important is that EG has been wrong since he's been on the team. Now, he's traded players that he's brought in, has players with overlapping skills and salary ranges, and has needs in areas that are glaring, and has the 3rd highest payroll in the league for a lottery team.

Go figure that out in between sessions of B&D in your mom's basement with your mom watching.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 4, 2009 9:23 AM

"That's working out great for Minn right now, isn't it? They unloaded a former #7 who is at minimum a long term starter AND a 10M expiring contract for a what was a risk and is already an embarrassment.

Posted by: jon_quest | July 4, 2009 12:34 AM "

Absolutely different situation assuming you know the difference between Minn and DC with regard to basketball market and size and exposure.

Also, Minn shot themselves in the foot by drafting 2 guards.

The question you should be worried about is what your GM is doing with the $2.5 mil that he got for the #5 pick, which many said that he would be active in the FA market, but has yet to bear fruit, and probably won't.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 4, 2009 9:26 AM

It is not a dream, the wiz are the most improved team next to spurs.The spurs up grade their weakest starting position by landing jefferson.The wiz upgrade their shooting gard starter and resolved their 3 point shooting problem.They are also expected to improve by 100% on their perimeter defense,flip is a specialist in zone match up defense.With the current difficult market they are in good position to land two big men for back up 4 and 5.They do not need to panic now, every body is on the air.
Orlando get bad with 2009 trade.what will be the up grade of changing carter by turk?they lost their best defender and 3 point shooter who should have been improved.They lost their best center replacement if they do not sign wallace i do not think they will win more than 50 games.I can not see the improvment of cavs.The only improvment is psychological,i do not even know why they were not able to win orlando, i think there is some coaching problem.James was garding Alston instade of puting more pressure on haward and try to put him in foul travel.If james was driving to the basket he would have been in best situation.Do you realize howard played an average of 41.4 minutes against cavs and his minutes were down to 39.3 against LA? In court we have observed the hard time howard gave to big Z, the coaching staff were sleeping , they were supposed to put him in foul travel.I have never seen a jump shooting team to win shampionship, i am sure i will not see it in my life unless NBA change some rules that could help jump shooting teams.Do you remember the 7 consicutive turnovers made by howard when kobe was helping his big men on howard? that was the turning point for LA.James is a good defender, he should have been told to stike on howard.
One can for sure assume that the wiz have a big chance to win the south east division if they make the right move and stay healthy.

Posted by: gtefferra | July 4, 2009 10:10 AM

"It makes me wonder if his 'breakout season' was really just getting minutes on the floor. The scary thing is, even without Thomas that season, he still couldn't manage more than 27 minutes a game. I'm hoping that was more of a product of EJ's decision-making than a lack of stamina, skill, or foul trouble."

I was wondering about the same thing too. We know foul trouble was definitely not the reason, he averaged 2.7 fouls in 27.9 minutes, which amounts to less than 5 fouls even if he played the entire 48 minutes!

To me, EJ's fixation with the "small ball" was the reason.

Posted by: sagaliba | July 4, 2009 10:12 AM

"It is not a dream, the wiz are the most improved team next to spurs"

Just don't forget that's because they had the most room for improvement.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 4, 2009 10:23 AM

According to sources, Washington looks like the favorite for Stephon Marbury's next gig after Boston came up with an initial offer of $1.2 million, the veteran's minimum
(ny post)


LORD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Posted by: mrhney03 | July 4, 2009 11:17 AM

�According to sources, Washington looks like the favorite for Stephon Marbury's next gig after Boston came up with an initial offer of $1.2 million, the veteran's minimum. Flip Saunders and Marbury are intrigued about reuniting. Sacramento also has inquired about the guard.

I like Ernie G but this move will not go well with me.

Posted by: WaynefromBowie | July 4, 2009 11:21 AM

mrhney3 beat me to it....good job. Atleast we agree on this one.

Posted by: WaynefromBowie | July 4, 2009 11:23 AM

that would be the most bonehead move ever. its like buying tires for your car when you need to buy a new windshield..it just doesnt make sense.

i think camby or gooden will be a wizard come next season tho

Posted by: mrhney03 | July 4, 2009 11:41 AM

C'mon, where's the Wizards' "improved bargaining position" now?

Posted by: satchmore | July 4, 2009 1:31 AM

Whether or not you think I've been "wrong all along" doesn't matter, because it's more likely that you're wrong.

What is important is that EG has been wrong since he's been on the team.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 4, 2009 9:23 AM

Oh, so sorry. That answer is incorrect. The answer we were looking for was that the Wizards' "improved bargaining position" is going back to Spain for at least the next two years.

You're right about one thing, though - whether you're wrong or not doesn't matter, and that's because you have no credibility. Had the Wizards drafted Rubio, I'm sure you'd have said from the outset that it was a terrible move. But what Grunfeld does is never the issue in your posts; the issue is what he didn't do - and of course, what he didn't do is always what DC_MAN88 thinks he should have done. "LMFAO!"

Posted by: satchmore | July 4, 2009 11:48 AM

Another team that I doubt improved itself very much: Atlanta with the acquisition of Jamal Crawford. Apparently they're expecting to lose Mike Bibby. Crawford will put up points, at least.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 4, 2009 11:49 AM

Re: Marbury, I don't see it happening. Always consider your sources.

Re: Orlando, the loss of Turkoglu is bigger than the addition of Carter. The Magic would be lucky to stay in the top four in the East next season.

Rasheed going to Boston has the potential to be a significant upgrade.. but then, he's been underachieving in Detroit for years, and who's to say that that won't continue in Boston?

The Spurs had the best draft, though they may not be the most "improved" team. Jefferson will be a great starter for them, and Blair will give good minutes off the bench. Not sure their new guards will see much action.

Posted by: satchmore | July 4, 2009 11:59 AM

Im not getting what they're doin over there at the phone booth.
1.) We sell the 2nd rd pick to get 2.5 mil. so we can get a veteran big man.
2.) We now find out that the big man will come in and play 10-15 minutes. Which veteran big man would agree to come to play 10-15 minutes?
3.) It now comes out we are now thinking of using some of the MLE because whatever vet we get will cost us double because of the LT.
4.) This leaves us with Nesterovich, Wilcox, and Gooden. These guys will require atleast 2 mil/yr. Which will really cost us 4 mil this year which isnt really market value for these guys. I wouldnt pay 4mil/yr for a 10min/g guy, that's another D Stevenson.
5.)Which brings me back to 1, that 2nd round pick we sold. We could've got Blair with that pick, which address our need of a big man who can come in a play 10-15 minutes. His cost to us wouldve been 800K a total cost to us $1.6 mil which is a bargain for a lottery talent. Keep in mind Pecherov was gettig paid $1.5 mil to play a total of 10-15 minutes all year last year.

The only thing I see us doing is trading the expiring contract of Mike James to a team that really needs to unload for 2010. That leaves us with CHI, NO, TOR, MIA, CLE, NY, NJ, and UT.

Ernie dropped the ball on the pick and any free agent signing. I hope he rebounds on the trade with Mike James.

Sorry so long but I had alot on my mind and I haven't been on here in a while. I see familiar people here Kalorama and DCMANN, WHADDUP???

Posted by: WaynefromBowie | July 4, 2009 12:01 PM

"You're right about one thing, though - whether you're wrong or not doesn't matter, and that's because you have no credibility. Had the Wizards drafted Rubio, I'm sure you'd have said from the outset that it was a terrible move. But what Grunfeld does is never the issue in your posts; the issue is what he didn't do - and of course, what he didn't do is always what DC_MAN88 thinks he should have done. "LMFAO!"

Posted by: satchmore | July 4, 2009 11:48 AM "

Your arguments are worth less than a used rubber coming off a homeless man.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 4, 2009 4:13 PM

Another team that I doubt improved itself very much: Atlanta with the acquisition of Jamal Crawford. Apparently they're expecting to lose Mike Bibby. Crawford will put up points, at least.

posted by: Samson151 | July 4, 2009 11:49 AM

I'm not a Jamal Crawford fan by any means, but I don't think that swap really hurt the Hawks much, at least in terms of production. (Granted, it also didn't really help them much, either.) Bibby has always been more of a scorer than playmaker at PG, and in the last couple of years he's basically been a spot up jumpshooter. Crawford can fill that role decently well, as long as they don't expect him to do much else. They actually run most of their offense through Joe Johnson, anyway.

The bigger issue is in the leadership department. The Hawks a re a young tem and their best player, johnson, doesn't appear to be a vocal leader. Bibby pretty much filled that role for them, and it's unlikely Crawford can replace that. If Johnson steps into the void and takes the reins (or if they trade Josh Smith for someone who's not a volatile head case) they should be okay. If not, things could fall apart.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 4, 2009 5:33 PM

"The only thing I see us doing is trading the expiring contract of Mike James to a team that really needs to unload for 2010. That leaves us with CHI, NO, TOR, MIA, CLE, NY, NJ, and UT."

Agree with this list. And if we want to find a center to help us deal with Shaq, Perkins, Howard, and Bynum in the playoffs, we are even further limited. Currently, the only reasonable trades that might work in exchange for assets that we don't mind parting with are:

(a) Eddy Curry for Mike James and DeShawn or

(b) Josh Boone and Eduardo Najera for Mike James.

If we are willing to give up some of our young players, we might be able to do:

(c) Tyson Chandler for Mike James, Javale, and Crit, plus around $4.8 million in extra salary and luxury tax.

Posted by: yop32 | July 4, 2009 6:39 PM

Your arguments are worth less than a used rubber coming off a homeless man.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 4, 2009 4:13 PM

A sight you're all too familiar with. "LMFAO!"

Posted by: satchmore | July 4, 2009 7:20 PM

I never want to see Eddy Curry's name mentioned on this board again.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 4, 2009 7:52 PM

I understand that I'm new to this club but it would seem that folks here actually believe that A. Jamison is an actual NBA starter. As long as Jamison starts or is scheduled to start the Wiz will not seriously contend.

There no way that this has not been said before. He can't check bigs or three's, while deceiving stat lovers with the occasional 10 rebound game.

Then again neither can Mike Miller so at least they'll be consistent in their total inability to defend those monstrous 6'10" three/fours out there.

Posted by: AscotAmos | July 4, 2009 8:58 PM

It's possible that Eddy Curry just needs a change of scenery. Chicago and NYC are probably the two worst possible places for him. But yeah, he's definitely a very, very long shot. On the other hand, he couldn't be less useful to this team than Mike James next year, could he? And if by some slim chance he managed to put it all together, we could be talking about a Wizards dynasty. Riiight.

Posted by: yop32 | July 4, 2009 9:06 PM

ascotamos: "understand that I'm new to this club but it would seem that folks here actually believe that A. Jamison is an actual NBA starter"

No problem, your soulmate is already here. Look for mentions of used condoms involving homeless people.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 4, 2009 9:30 PM

Why The Cavaliers Lost (OSN)
It seemed like the world wanted a LeBron-Kobe finals, but the Magic sent the Cavs home after six games. Here's why:
-Team chemistry somewhat disrupted by LeBron James practicing in Knicks warm-ups
-After the Cavs missed their first shot in Game 1, Coach Mike Brown just shook his head and left the arena
-To avoid getting into foul trouble, many key players left games in the second quarter
-At one point, LeBron passed the ball to a man named Tarence Kinsey
-Flurry of ill-advised, off-balance jump shots didn't pay off as intended
-Wally Szczerbiak broke the "Wally Szczerbiak doesn't get to shoot" rule
-Thought America would just vote them into the championship round
-After years of remarkable good luck fielding many successful sports franchises, karma finally caught up to the city of Cleveland

Posted by: oddjob2 | July 4, 2009 10:05 PM

The Cavs are actually worse than the Grizz without Lebron. Mo Williams prayed after that LB buzzer beater but he was actually praying that his contract was guaranteed. And that dude with the hair has never actually looked at the rim on any low post shots that the b-ball gods allowed to go in.

Posted by: AscotAmos | July 4, 2009 10:18 PM

"No problem, your soulmate is already here. Look for mentions of used condoms involving homeless people.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 4, 2009 9:30 PM "

Do you sniff them or do you drink from them?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 4, 2009 10:34 PM

"A sight you're all too familiar with. "LMFAO!"

Posted by: satchmore | July 4, 2009 7:20 PM "

Sorry, nobody's watching your dad but you.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 4, 2009 10:34 PM

yop32: "On the other hand, he couldn't be less useful to this team than Mike James next year, could he?"

I like Eddie Curry, but coaches keep playing him at the wrong position.

He should be a left tackle.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 5, 2009 5:54 AM

"On the other hand, he couldn't be less useful to this team than Mike James next year, could he?"

Maybe not, but given his history, he could be lot more disruptive. The last thing Blatche and McGee need as an example in the locker room is a veteran big man with loads of talent and a lousy attitude and work ethic.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 5, 2009 7:04 AM

I think we are just going to wait until the trade deadline. There just aren't any great options out there right now. And any trade we might like to make would probably be trumped by the Rockets-- they are desperate for a center, they have a ton of expiring contracts, and they just used up their MLE on Ariza. They have to make a trade for a center this offseason. At the trade deadline, there will probably be more sellers, and with a little luck we might be one of the only buyers.

Posted by: yop32 | July 5, 2009 7:25 AM

"The last thing Blatche and McGee need as an example in the locker room is a veteran big man with loads of talent and a lousy attitude and work ethic.

Or it could be exactly what they need. Eddy could be just like the guy who breathes through a hole in his neck who goes around to schools telling kids (with one of those vibrating mechanical voice box things): "Don't smoke, or you could end up like me."

Posted by: yop32 | July 5, 2009 8:11 AM

Yea I heard that EG is targeting Marbury but the big name is D. Lee. So it may be a sign and trade in the works. Stevenson,James and #1 for Lee and Marbury.

Posted by: dsquare | July 5, 2009 8:28 AM

oddjob: "Why The Cavaliers Lost (OSN)"

Pretty funny stuff. Look at some of those Cleveland fan sites, those guys are far worse than here. I think if their teams actually won anything the crowd would hit the streets to protest corruption. We're pretty bad with our curse of les boulez nonsense, but these guys are a whole other magnitude of low self-esteem. Typical comment when Orlando won: 'I knew that would happen'. They skipped anger and went right to depression.

Magical thinking is always around in sports and politics. Some guy over on a football blog said the Redskins' problem was that Zorn used the word 'medium' too often. Set a bad example for the players.

You gotta love it.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 5, 2009 9:32 AM

EG should give Dee Brown another shot here. He never had a chance.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 5, 2009 9:39 AM

Yea I heard that EG is targeting Marbury but the big name is D. Lee. So it may be a sign and trade in the works. Stevenson,James and #1 for Lee and Marbury.

Posted by: dsquare | July 5, 2009 8:28 AM

how??

and Dee Brown couldnt shoot a grape in the atlantic ocean

Posted by: mrhney03 | July 5, 2009 10:21 AM

yop32: "On the other hand, he couldn't be less useful to this team than Mike James next year, could he?"

I like Eddie Curry, but coaches keep playing him at the wrong position.

He should be a left tackle.

Posted by: Samson151
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LOL, good one!

James is for sure is more useful to the Wiz:
His salary comes off the book next year, Curry would cost the team more than 11 mil next year, not even counting the tax.

Seriously, why would anyone want to take Curry's salary (one of Isaiah's big blunders) off NY to help them resign Lee?

Posted by: sagaliba | July 5, 2009 10:46 AM

"Or it could be exactly what they need. Eddy could be just like the guy who breathes through a hole in his neck who goes around to schools telling kids (with one of those vibrating mechanical voice box things): "Don't smoke, or you could end up like me."

Except ending up like Eddy Curry means getting paid 8 figures a year despite the fact that he's been coasting for his entire career, because big men with talent and "upside," get plenty of second chances and the benefit of the doubt at contract time.

Yeah, that's just the lesson Blatche and McGee need to learn.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 5, 2009 11:16 AM

I must be missing something. Are people posting comments speaking of Blatche as if he were ever going to be a "real" NBA player. He's done for. Young is done for, McGuire at least tries very hard but is done for also.

Are these Summer League big3 wannabe's gonna make another run of icing the real McGee out of the offense this summer?

Posted by: AscotAmos | July 5, 2009 11:25 AM

AscotAmos,

What is your definition of "real" NBA player? McGuire is certainly not done for and Blatch is a "real" player. He may be inconsistent, but he has improved somewhat and is still only 22, I believe. Young, well, he is a "real" scorer, but the rest of his game is certainly suspect. Besides, your talking about the 7th, 8th, 9th best players on our team. That's not too shabby!

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 5, 2009 4:05 PM

"how??

and Dee Brown couldnt shoot a grape in the atlantic ocean

Posted by: mrhney03 | July 5, 2009 10:21 AM "

LOL!

I said it in pure jest.

EG has a history of bringing in FA's that not only don't pan out, but he has to get rid of. It wouldn't surprise me if the same happened to both Foye and Eminem.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 5, 2009 5:36 PM

I think EG has done very well in the draft, signing new free agents, and especially in trades. That's why he is one of the better GM's in the league. Foye and Miller are coming to the Wiz through a trade, so EG's track record there gives us an extra reason to be excited.

(The area where I think EG maybe could have done better is in negotiations with our own players when they hit free agency. One could argue that he has a history of overpaying (DeShawn, Etan, Gil so far, Antawn maybe) and also alienating players (Larry Hughes).)

Posted by: yop32 | July 5, 2009 6:16 PM

"I think EG has done very well in the draft, signing new free agents, and especially in trades. That's why he is one of the better GM's in the league. Foye and Miller are coming to the Wiz through a trade, so EG's track record there gives us an extra reason to be excited.

Posted by: yop32 | July 5, 2009 6:16 PM "

Really, how so? Surely you jest.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 5, 2009 7:23 PM

look at the squads prior to grunfeld, eg inked gil and traded for aj and caron, before they showed up we were a laughing stock, a team that hadn't won a playoff game in twenty years, in a league where more than half the league makes the playoffs, eg has done positive things that the franchise couldn't for a long time

Posted by: bford1kb | July 5, 2009 7:43 PM

"look at the squads prior to grunfeld, eg inked gil and traded for aj and caron, before they showed up we were a laughing stock, a team that hadn't won a playoff game in twenty years, in a league where more than half the league makes the playoffs, eg has done positive things that the franchise couldn't for a long time

Posted by: bford1kb | July 5, 2009 7:43 PM "

Les BouleS are still the laughing stock. That comes with being the 2nd worst team in the league that ends up with the 5th draft spot.

Now this overpaid team has the 3rd highest payroll with an overabundance of like skilled players playing the same spot after EG got rid of players that he brought in or traded for in the first place.

There isn't a player drafted by EG who's become a consistent and reliable starter. EG just finished getting rid of 3 players that he drafted or signed via free agency.

Maybe with these "positive things," you should ask Abe to put up some banners at the phone booth to commemorate them.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 5, 2009 7:51 PM

ascotamos: "I must be missing something. Are people posting comments speaking of Blatche as if he were ever going to be a "real" NBA player. He's done for. Young is done for, McGuire at least tries very hard but is done for also."

Well, thanks for sharing, ascot, but mind if I ask why? God knows I'm not a defender of the Wiz Kids you mentioned, but 'done'? Hardly.

For instance, compare Blatche and Young with some of their peers from the same draft class. Blatche, you recall, went 49th in 2005 as a HS player and finished the '08 season at 20-some minutes per game with an EFF of 11.8. That's slightly better than, say, Ronny Turiaf, who went 31st, and Amir Johnson, who went 56th, and actually, it's better than first round PFs Linas Kleiza (27th)and Wayne Simien (29th, and OOL). Not nearly as good as David Lee, of course, who went 30, but I imagine Ernie would have drafted him if he had the chance.

Nick Young, probably my least favorite player, was in a group of '07 mid-first round picks averaging around 20+ minutes. His EFF was 7.99. That's a little better than Marco Belinelli (18th) and Daequan Cook (21), but not nearly as good as Rodney Stuckey, who went one spot ahead of Young and plays about 10-15 minutes more per game.

Criticize them as you will, they certainly deserve it, but 'done'? That's a stretch.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 5, 2009 7:54 PM

dcman i hope you enjoy your world of fun, maybe just maybe having gil and brendan out for all but 5 games hurt the squad? take the best player and the starting center off an any team and insert a twenty years removed coach from american (who had losing record no less) and you will get last year, grunfeld made this team competitive, something that only he has done in my lifetime, the worst things he has done is give tap command for 70+ games, match the bucks offer to thomas, and let mason go and resigning aj for too much time and money, you I'm sure would hammer on and on about devin harris and stack being an awful trade but at the time it went down it most certainly was not and we got everything we could have expected from aj, without a doubt I'd take harris now but that's not how it works, I guess hating on a guy who's played ten games in two years got a little tired for you so now it's time to sling mud anywhere, and all those wnba attendance championship banners are enough for me thanks though

Posted by: bford1kb | July 5, 2009 8:08 PM

The Nuclear Arms race is growing by the day! Rasheed to the Celtics? so that makes at least nine teams including the wizards have made upgrades.

Sheed to the celtics
bg and cv to te pistons
foye n miller to the wizards
shaq to the cavs
carter to the magic
turgkolu to the raptors
crawford to the hawks

and im more than sure there is more to come. I wonder which one of these moves will improve the team the most.

i think coming off a 19 win season the wizards (healthy) with the two free agent additions if they can grab another free agent big man or work a trade, the wizards could be a force. I dont want to throw out any names but whatever decent big man we can get to add to our depth we can beat out: det,atl,miami,philly,chicago,indi,.

but sheed to the celtics i got them coming out the east to play la in the west for a rematch of the ages

Posted by: mrhney03 | July 5, 2009 9:24 PM

imean trade additions

Posted by: mrhney03 | July 5, 2009 9:25 PM

"dcman i hope you enjoy your world of fun, maybe just maybe having gil and brendan out for all but 5 games hurt the squad? take the best player and the starting center off an any team and insert a twenty years removed coach from american (who had losing record no less) and you will get last year, grunfeld made this team competitive, something that only he has done in my lifetime, the worst things he has done is give tap command for 70+ games, match the bucks offer to thomas, and let mason go and resigning aj for too much time and money, you I'm sure would hammer on and on about devin harris and stack being an awful trade but at the time it went down it most certainly was not and we got everything we could have expected from aj, without a doubt I'd take harris now but that's not how it works, I guess hating on a guy who's played ten games in two years got a little tired for you so now it's time to sling mud anywhere, and all those wnba attendance championship banners are enough for me thanks though

Posted by: bford1kb | July 5, 2009 8:08 PM "

What are you smoking?

I'm tired of hearing excuses.

Did Houston get eliminated from the playoffs just b/c TMac and Yao had their seasons cut short because of injury and then trading Rafer Alston? Nope, they were the 5th seed and went to the second round of the playoffs losing to the eventual NBA champs in 7 games.

So, for people to get on this blog and yap about BTH and Gilby being gone is a perfect example of idiots giving themselves a false sense of hope.

How did that season turn out when EJ and Les BouleS were leading the east at the all star break? They ended up barely squeaking into the playoffs with MeTawn and Gilby "I'm back" Arenas at almost the 8th seed...and were swept.

Let's hang a banner for that banner season.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 5, 2009 10:34 PM

I'm tired of hearing excuses.

Did Houston get eliminated from the playoffs just b/c TMac and Yao had their seasons cut short because of injury and then trading Rafer Alston? Nope, they were the 5th seed and went to the second round of the playoffs losing to the eventual NBA champs in 7 games.

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Yao was injured during the series with the Lakers. they made a good showing without him, but i doubt they would have done as well this past season if yao missed 70+ games. No matter how you cut it, the Rockets fell to the Lakers after they lost Yao. Argue all the hypotheticals you want about how major of an impact that was.

As for McGrady. He's a non factor. he hasn't been a difference maker for some time. I'll go out there and say he's no gilbert arenas.

now let's just hope that arenas' knee is sturdy enough now so that we never have to say he's another tracy mcgrady

Posted by: crs-one | July 5, 2009 11:00 PM

"Yao was injured during the series with the Lakers. they made a good showing without him, but i doubt they would have done as well this past season if yao missed 70+ games. No matter how you cut it, the Rockets fell to the Lakers after they lost Yao. Argue all the hypotheticals you want about how major of an impact that was.

As for McGrady. He's a non factor. he hasn't been a difference maker for some time. I'll go out there and say he's no gilbert arenas.

now let's just hope that arenas' knee is sturdy enough now so that we never have to say he's another tracy mcgrady

Posted by: crs-one | July 5, 2009 11:00 PM "

And what about Rafer Alston who started 48 of the possible games he played with Houston until he was traded? RA played very well for Houston for 3.5 years and was their starter when he was there.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 6, 2009 12:21 AM

I read the Washington Post to keep tabs on the Federal Government, and I'll check out the sport section from time to time. But, some of the comments of the fans here are kind of hard to believe. Didn't the Wizards have the 5th worst record in the NBA last year?? And some of the fans posting on this blog are saying they'll be better than Detroit?? When has the Wizards/Bullets last amounted to much?? And winning 1 playoff series in over 20 years doesn't count. The Wizards need to get healthy before they talk about a team (Detroit) that's done more in the last 9 years than what the Bullets/Wizards have done since their last Championship.

Posted by: getanaccount | July 6, 2009 4:07 AM

I forgot to add, Double Zero and the rest of the Wizards needs to learn how to play defense too. Offense is one thing, but to win, you have to stop the other side with some determined effort.

Posted by: getanaccount | July 6, 2009 4:10 AM

getanaccount, The thinking around here by most (haters not included) is that last year was an anomaly because of the injuries.

Take last year's team with 2 all star caliber performers, add a decent C, an even BETTER all star and a couple of good veteran backups and there's reason to believe that we've improved.

Whether we can make any noise in the playoffs is TBD but if you can score as prolifically as our talents' history has shown, regular season basketball with limited defense can get you 50 wins.

I believe that it's possible for a team to get hot offensively in the playoffs and win a title but I'm in the minority because it hasn't been done. I just don't see many teams that can outgun us....even when calls are tighter in the postseason.
We have at least 6 or 7 legitimate 20 ppg scorers(GA,AJ,CB,MM,NY,AB,RF) 5 or 6 who could get 30 without raising any eyebrows, 3 who could get 40 and one who has gone for 60. That's a lot of points.

Even with very little defense, if a couple of guys get hot every night, teams would be hard pressed to match that output. I'm certainly not advocating no defense but we're loaded on one side of the court. Lopsided, of course.

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 7:28 AM

Sheed to the Celtics?!!

Rondo, Allen, Sheed, Pierce and Garnett starting? wtf !?

Hopefully age catches up to these guys. Otherwise, they could break some league records.

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 7:55 AM

And what about Rafer Alston who started 48 of the possible games he played with Houston until he was traded? RA played very well for Houston for 3.5 years and was their starter when he was there.

Not only was Yao injured DURING the Lakers series, but Rafer Alston was traded because Aaron Brooks was already outplaying him and was taking his position. Come on Mr. Basketball Encyclopedia...you should know that already. Someone who gets traded fro Brian Cook and Kyle Lowry must not be viewed as very valuable to the team.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2009 8:08 AM

"The Wizards need to get healthy before they talk about a team (Detroit) that's done more in the last 9 years than what the Bullets/Wizards have done since their last Championship.Posted by: getanaccount"

That's very true. Even if the Wiz are among the league's most improved, it's unlikely they'll hit the 45-50 game season that some here have predicted. It's not as crazy as Rob Dibble insisting the Nats would win 90, but it's definitely a long shot.

There have been bigger turnarounds than 26-31 games in a single season, but not many of them. Miami went from 15 and 67 in '07 to the playoffs in '08, largely on the return to prominence of a single star, Dwyane Wade (which stokes the hopes of Wiz fans). But they still lost in the first round -- not something anybody here would be happy with.

So overtaking Detroit is possible but not yet probable. On the other hand, IMO the Piz haven't done much to improve themselves, adding a telented but one-dimensional shooting guard and a talented but inconsistent tall forward. Losing Wallace could easily offset those gains.

Gonna be an interesting season -- I hope. I don't know if the fanz here could take another year like '08, without dying of apoplexy, I mean.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 6, 2009 8:18 AM

That's very true. Even if the Wiz are among the league's most improved, it's unlikely they'll hit the 45-50 game season that some here have predicted. It's not as crazy as Rob Dibble insisting the Nats would win 90, but it's definitely a long shot.

There have been bigger turnarounds than 26-31 games in a single season, but not many of them. Miami went from 15 and 67 in '07 to the playoffs in '08, largely on the return to prominence of a single star, Dwyane Wade (which stokes the hopes of Wiz fans). But they still lost in the first round -- not something anybody here would be happy with.

So overtaking Detroit is possible but not yet probable. On the other hand, IMO the Piz haven't done much to improve themselves, adding a telented but one-dimensional shooting guard and a talented but inconsistent tall forward. Losing Wallace could easily offset those gains.

Gonna be an interesting season -- I hope. I don't know if the fanz here could take another year like '08, without dying of apoplexy, I mean.

Miami lost in the first round but I honestly think the Wizards are more talented that Miami. Dwayne Wade is just that good. Ridiculously good. 6'3'' LeBron good. Just my opinion though. The Pistons it seems it's over for them. Billups and Wallace are gone for Gordon and Charlie V.?
Stuckey, Rip, Prince, Charlie V., Kwame? Who is going to be playing C? The only other player over 6'10" is Austin Daye and he's 200 pounds.

With a healthy roster I see no reason why the Wizards can't return to 45 win territory. And I honestly don't think Detroit is that good anymore.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2009 8:35 AM

I read the Washington Post to keep tabs on the Federal Government, and I'll check out the sport section from time to time. But, some of the comments of the fans here are kind of hard to believe. Didn't the Wizards have the 5th worst record in the NBA last year?? And some of the fans posting on this blog are saying they'll be better than Detroit?? When has the Wizards/Bullets last amounted to much?? And winning 1 playoff series in over 20 years doesn't count. The Wizards need to get healthy before they talk about a team (Detroit) that's done more in the last 9 years than what the Bullets/Wizards have done since their last Championship.

Posted by: getanaccount | July 6, 2009 4:07 AM

Stick to the front page. Detroit has done a lot in the past nine years, but it doesn't count for much more than our 1 playoff win in 20 years. They were miserable last year and i really feel their offseason moves did little to improve them.

not that it doesn't buttress your point, but the wizards had the second worse record, and ended up with the fifth round pick.

the pistons were a force to be reckoned with, but they've been making some poor decisions.

we love our team and want to see them outperform everybody. so we come to wizards insider to talk about next season. last seasons record doesn't change that.

Posted by: crs-one | July 6, 2009 9:30 AM

"League sources tell me that Rasho Nesterovic, Channing Frye, Jason Collins and Jamaal Magloire have all drawn interest from the Wizards." - Washington Times (http://bit.ly/BKjjW)

So any of those signings are for guys only expecting to have minor face-time during a game.

"...they did put in an inquiry with Antonio McDyess' camp, but the asking price (which would require them to use the mid-level exception, but because of the tax would total roughly $10 million) is too high."

I'm glad they didn't use up the entire exception on McDyess (unless it was for only a short-term contract), but with the other free agents listed above, I seriously hope that means they're actively working on a trade. Either that, or Saunders and Grunfeld have watched and decided that Blatche is ready to be consistent and McGee is ready to contribute for real.

But man, Wallace for the mid-level and only 2 years. The Wizards could've used that. His contract would be up the same time Butler's is. No long-term hurt.

Posted by: segastyle | July 6, 2009 9:31 AM

And what about Rafer Alston who started 48 of the possible games he played with Houston until he was traded? RA played very well for Houston for 3.5 years and was their starter when he was there.

Not only was Yao injured DURING the Lakers series, but Rafer Alston was traded because Aaron Brooks was already outplaying him and was taking his position. Come on Mr. Basketball Encyclopedia...you should know that already. Someone who gets traded fro Brian Cook and Kyle Lowry must not be viewed as very valuable to the team.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2009 8:08 AM
Got to agree with that. Both of them have D-League talent.

Posted by: ptp23 | July 6, 2009 9:33 AM

orignal_mark

I agree, and when you consider that the offensive firepower is deep into 2 units, that's gonna put a lot of pressure on other teams benches as well. It will also allow the once-called Big 3 to play less minutes.

People have said that washington is going offense only and that teams with only offense don't win. I don't think they are going offense only, but just to an unstoppable offense. They can still try to play defense.

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 6, 2009 9:37 AM

The Wizards are among the few teams that are actually trying to get better this offseason--it seems like most of the league is just trying to cut salary. With so many teams cutting costs and getting worse, the Wizards will win a lot more games than people expect this year. With a little luck, we could even challenge for the franchise record in wins. (Unfortunately, it also wouldn't surprise me if a new franchise record in wins turned out to be only good enough for a fourth seed in the playoffs.)

Posted by: yop32 | July 6, 2009 9:58 AM

Personally, I would like to see us sign Nesterovic.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2009 10:16 AM

yop32

I agree. I also think the Wizards are trying to build for more than a 1 or 2 year window, not gambling on a Shaq or Rasheed who have 1 foot in the retirement grave. They are trying to accumulate assets that will help win now and later as Jamison declines and hoping that Blatche, McGee, Young, Foye, McGuire, Crittenden, progress.

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 6, 2009 10:38 AM

Jamaal Magloire probably can be had with just veteran's minimum. (Isn't that what he got last season in Miami?) He is over the hill, but he is only 31, and he is physical. He certainly is no longer a starter caliber, but I think he can still be a good backup.

Nesterovic is tall, but probably not as physical as Magloire, and is probably more expensive. Neither of them is quick on their feet. So their values are probably as bodies that can give fouls to the like of Shaq and Howard (neither of them is good free throw shooter).

Jason Collins? Forget about him! Channing Frye? A forward, but I don't think he can play backup at C. McDyess is good, but MLE may be too high a price (with Mike James still on board).

Posted by: sagaliba | July 6, 2009 10:44 AM

"The Pistons it seems it's over for them. Billups and Wallace are gone for Gordon and Charlie V.?
Stuckey, Rip, Prince, Charlie V., Kwame? Who is going to be playing C? The only other player over 6'10" is Austin Daye and he's 200 pounds.

With a healthy roster I see no reason why the Wizards can't return to 45 win territory. And I honestly don't think Detroit is that good anymore.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2009 8:35 AM"

Joe Dumars is still the GM of the Detroit Pistons. If they get a big such as Bosh by say, the February trade deadline just like they got Rasheed Wallace in '04 when they went on the run to the '04 title, then anything's possible. No disrespect to the Wizards, but I don't see anything of that sort for them. They still need to do what I said earlier: stop the other team from scoring when it counts. And I've watched the Wizards/Bullets off and on over the years, and I still think that they can't.

Posted by: getanaccount | July 6, 2009 10:55 AM

"Rondo, Allen, Sheed, Pierce and Garnett starting? wtf !?"

Wallace most likely will be coming off the bench for the Celtics, as long as Garnett and Perkins are healthy.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2009 11:01 AM

I think teams will not be able to get stops against the wizards. The wizards may miss shots of course, but they won't be because they got stopped. In fact, teams will have more problems stopping the wizards than the wizards have stopping them. (That last statement is predicated on how the game is called, you know the referee and NBA favoritism thing).

Even if the first units of an opponent stays in the game, the second unit better be able to keep up too becuase that is another problem for teams. So, how close will it be in the 4th quarter for stops to matter?

For example, Cleveland, how many minutes will Shaq and LeBron have to play to keep up the offensive pace? Remember, Gilbert has a legitimate backup, who backs up LeBron?

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 6, 2009 11:07 AM

Since we're in luxury tax territory, doesnt whatever we spend get doubled basically? So if we pay a guy 4 mill per year, doesn't it count for another 4 mill in penalties?
If my understanding is correct and that's the case, there's no way we are going to offer much for ANY player. Fiscally, it doesn't make a lot of sense. Even getting a cheap vet for 3 mill is gonna cost Abe 6 mill. Is a backup to a backup worth 6 mill?

We're stuck right now. We should make no moves unless it involves trading away James' contract for a big or signing a big cheap scrub. Andrew Lang, anybody?

BTH is a 35 mpg C and he should be used that way. The only thing we need is a backup to him and AJ. Between JM and AB, we might have enough. DM may have to sub at PF on occasion but I'm ok with that, too.

If any of them gets injured, it'll be rough (kinda like our pg situation last year). We're walking a tightrope. But if IF IF we remain healthy in the frontcourt, we should be ok.

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 11:08 AM

As far as scrap heap Cs go, Nestrovic and Magloire are both used, recycled goods at this point, but of the two, Rasho's the better player. (He's also likely to be more in demand on the FA market.) Magloire could barely get minutes last season on a Miami team that was starting 6' 7" and 6' 8" guys on the frontline.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2009 11:10 AM

Wallace most likely will be coming off the bench for the Celtics, as long as Garnett and Perkins are healthy.

Will Sheed be ok with coming off the bench? I know he refused to play C for us when he was a rook.
I don't know whether Sheed has played C for the Pistons or not but based on his rep, it'd be hard to see him accepting a bench role. When you've been the man for so long, it's difficult....even if Pierce and KG are in front of you.

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 11:11 AM

"Stick to the front page. Detroit has done a lot in the past nine years, but it doesn't count for much more than our 1 playoff win in 20 years. They were miserable last year and i really feel their offseason moves did little to improve them.

not that it doesn't buttress your point, but the wizards had the second worse record, and ended up with the fifth round pick.

the pistons were a force to be reckoned with, but they've been making some poor decisions.

we love our team and want to see them outperform everybody. so we come to wizards insider to talk about next season. last seasons record doesn't change that.

Posted by: crs-one | July 6, 2009 9:30 AM"

I'm not knocking the Wizards/Bullets. I have friends from that part of the country and we love to talk hoops, after I complain about my tax dollars the federal government is wasting on some idiot program or what have you.

And I repeat: Joe Dumars has a habit of picking pieces up here and there throughout the season and during the following 2-4 seasons, and he has built a Championship club with spare parts and Wizards rejects/people traded away (Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace, Rip Hamilton) for example. If I was a Wizard fan, I would want to ask: why is it that teams like Detroit can go bad (prior to the arrival of Isiah Thomas), get good (the Bad Boys era with Thomas), go bad again (From 1993-2001), get good again (From 2002-2008), go bad again (this past season and for the foreseeable future) and probably get better again within the next 2-4 years(my opinion on this last point, by the way) while the Wizards stay bad, maybe get good one time, then get crappy?

Posted by: getanaccount | July 6, 2009 11:12 AM

Will Abe pay big money for a scrap heap C ?

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 11:13 AM

"BTH is a 35 mpg C and he should be used that way."

Based on what? He's 30 years old and has never averaged more than 28 mpg in a full season (not counting last year's 6 game cameo). And he's only done that once. There's nothing in his resume to suggest that he's a big minutes/heavy load player.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2009 11:13 AM

Well, based on the fact that his backups are AB and JM , for one. No choice, really.

Seriously though, he has relatively low mileage and has been effective when given the minutes. This is the year to find out. I think he can do it but it remains to be seen.

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 11:18 AM

Abe catches hell for being cheap on this blog but I wouldn't pay a ton for a backup either.

EG gets the blame for the roster imbalance on this one.

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 11:20 AM

"I know he refused to play C for us when he was a rook. "

That was 14 years ago.

"I don't know whether Sheed has played C for the Pistons or not but based on his rep, it'd be hard to see him accepting a bench role. When you've been the man for so long, it's difficult...."

Rasheed was never "the man" in Detroit. He's never really been "the man" anywhere in his whole career. In fact, one of the major knocks against him for his entire career is that he's too willing to fade into the pack and be one of the guys on the court rather than asserting himself and taking over like the most talented player on a team should. He's got a lot of issues, but demanding the spotlight on the floor and in the game plan isn't really one of them.

"Will Abe pay big money for a scrap heap C ?"

He won't have to pay big money for one. That's one of the reason's why they're on the scrap heap. The flip side, of course, is that you get what you pay for.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2009 11:23 AM

"For example, Cleveland, how many minutes will Shaq and LeBron have to play to keep up the offensive pace? Remember, Gilbert has a legitimate backup, who backs up LeBron?

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 6, 2009 11:07 AM"

I don't think that LeBron even thinks of Washington as a challenge. They have beaten the Wizards each and every time they've faced each other in the Playoffs.

Another thing I forgot to add, Flip Saunders will soon show you why he's called 'Flop Saunders' by fans of the Timberwolves and Pistons. He had Kevin Garnett in Minnesota, and only got them out of the First Round once. And, he had stacked and talented Pistons players on his roster the 3 years he was in Detroit, yet flamed out in 6 games each year in the Eastern Conference Finals (especially in '07 when he was up 2-0 on Cleveland). When teams have time to scout Saunders' teams, they shut down everything that his teams do, and he never makes adjustments, or uses his bench in the regular season so that they'd be ready for the Playoffs. Enjoy your 45-50 wins, and a early exit in the Playoffs.

Posted by: getanaccount | July 6, 2009 11:25 AM

"Well, based on the fact that his backups are AB and JM , for one. No choice, really."

Aside from not being true, that's not what you said. You didn't say he had to be a 35 mpg C, you said he already was. And the truth is, he isn't and never has been.

"Seriously though, he has relatively low mileage and has been effective when given the minutes."

The fact that he's never averaged as many as 30 mpg in his career indicates that he hasn't been given the minutes that often, and if he'd been as effective as you seem to think when he had, he'd have gotten tem more often. he is what he is, and this late into his career that's unlikely to change.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2009 11:27 AM

"Rasheed was never "the man" in Detroit. He's never really been "the man" anywhere in his whole career. In fact, one of the major knocks against him for his entire career is that he's too willing to fade into the pack and be one of the guys on the court rather than asserting himself and taking over like the most talented player on a team should. He's got a lot of issues, but demanding the spotlight on the floor and in the game plan isn't really one of them.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2009 11:23 AM"

Thanks for letting the people here know why I was always angry with Rasheed the time he was in Detroit: he would control Tim Duncan and score a bunch of points against the Spurs one night, and then the next game only have something like 6-9 and get a Tech or two. What's that old saying: 'Million Dollar talent, 10 cent head.' Rasheed might help the Celtics out, but I'm betting that he'll find a way to screw that team up in the Playoffs when they need him to make a difference.

Posted by: getanaccount | July 6, 2009 11:31 AM

We should be fine through the regular season with the current roster, thin as we are at center. If anyone gets nicked up, we should be able to manage with a stopgap 10-day contract or two.

The playoffs are another story. We will definitely have to beat back some serious muscle in the playoffs. Dwight, Shaq, Perkins, Bynum-- if we are really hoping to have even a sliver of a chance at a championship, we need to be ready to go through all of those guys. Brendan is good, but that's an awful lot to ask.

We'll see who is available in exchange for expiring contracts in February.

Posted by: yop32 | July 6, 2009 11:41 AM

The more I learn about Wallace from the knowledgeable folks here, the more I suspect this Celtics deal is the best possible outcome for him. He won't have to be The Man, he has a good shot at the NBA finals, and the fanz in Boston aren't yet sick of his act.

For a 35 year old in the NBA, that's practically nirvana.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 6, 2009 11:42 AM

"We should be fine through the regular season with the current roster, thin as we are at center. If anyone gets nicked up, we should be able to manage with a stopgap 10-day contract or two.

The playoffs are another story. We will definitely have to beat back some serious muscle in the playoffs. Dwight, Shaq, Perkins, Bynum-- if we are really hoping to have even a sliver of a chance at a championship, we need to be ready to go through all of those guys. Brendan is good, but that's an awful lot to ask.

We'll see who is available in exchange for expiring contracts in February.

Posted by: yop32 | July 6, 2009 11:41 AM"

Good luck. Until Arenas shows that he is interested in playing defense, along with the other Wizards players, I don't see it happening for the Wizards against those teams that you mentioned.

And you still have Flip Saunders. If I was the other team, and Saunders is manning the other side, I'm not worried at all, because he still has to prove he can win in the Playoffs. He's had lousy talent, and lost before. He's had great talent and lost again. Saunders just needs to learn how to coach to win in the Playoffs period.

Posted by: getanaccount | July 6, 2009 11:47 AM

Getting Rasheed may also be an indication that KG's injury has not 100% healed.

Posted by: Dave381 | July 6, 2009 11:51 AM

"The more I learn about Wallace from the knowledgeable folks here, the more I suspect this Celtics deal is the best possible outcome for him. He won't have to be The Man, he has a good shot at the NBA finals, and the fanz in Boston aren't yet sick of his act.

For a 35 year old in the NBA, that's practically nirvana.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 6, 2009 11:42 AM"

When Rasheed has one of his patented meltdowns when the Celtics need him not to, watch the fans on Boston turn on him like they did Bill Buckner when that ball went through his legs in the '86 World Series.

Posted by: getanaccount | July 6, 2009 11:52 AM

and if he'd been as effective as you seem to think when he had, he'd have gotten tem more often.

Completely untrue and flat out wrong. He didn't get the minutes because of his well documented differences with Eddie Jordan. On a lot of other teams he would have seem time and showed just how effective he can be. Everyone from the team captain (AJ) to the coaches and GM have talked about how his absence was the biggest reason for the defensive decline last year.

Conditioning has not been BTH's problem. Coaches have. If conditioning isnt a problem, he could have and should have played more minutes.

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 11:58 AM

But... neither you nor I are experts and we'll see this year. I'm betting on BTH.

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 11:59 AM

getanaccount

LeBron recognizes the difference between the Wiz with a healthy Gil and the Wiz without a healthy Gil.

At the same time, we have also seen how fake LeBron can be. I don't take anything away from LeBron as a player. I think he will surpass Jordan as GOAT, and said that about 4 years ago. But, Cleveland is beatable and has not done anything. They beat the wizards once in 6 games when Gil was healthy. Gil averaged 30+ that series. But don't get it twisted and say they beat the wizards 3 straight while making it seem that Cleveland had a clear injury advantage. Don't act like Gil and Caron played in the re-match the next year when they didn't. Don't act like Gil was on his game and healthy in the 3rd series when in fact he had to shut it down.

Now if you want to say that Gil will never be the same, you can say that.

But Cleveland winning 3 series does not impress me and the Wizards are sure not scared of Cleveland. For the record, the crab dribble did not start this year. LeBron stole a playoff game with it.

Be real, not fake

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 6, 2009 12:02 PM

"He's had great talent and lost again."

He's never had "great talent." He had one great player in Minnesota, but he was surrounded by a below average supporting cast, for the most part. The one year McHale surrounded Garnett with quality talent, Saunders got them to the Conference Finals in the toughest conference and one of the toughest divisions in the league. Realisitcally, that's as far as that team could have gotten.

The Pistons had very good talent, but not one truly great player on the roster. (And all of their talent was in the starting lineup, with little to no bench support.) Every year they lost under Saunders they lost to a team with a great player playing at the top of his game. They had a lot of things break their way the year they won the title, but without the benefit of that good fortune (and with the deficit of the players spiraling egos and Dumars' failure to replenish the roster) they weren't good enough to win another title.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2009 12:03 PM

As for Sheed, more than one player has stated publicly that he was one of the best in the league in terms of overall ability and one of the toughest guys to guard. He's also the nightmare matchup because he's almost 7 feet tall and can score inside or out to the 3 point line. I don't think he's gotten as much credit as he's been due....except during contract time.

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 12:08 PM

G-Man11,
That thing LeBron did against AJ and Ruffin a few years back wasn't even a crab dribble. It was a straight up travel.

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 12:09 PM

BTW,
All of my Wiz related predictions have everything to do with the fact that I renewed my season tickets.

No way I'm telling myself that I just blew $$ on a non playoff team or a 8 seed.

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 12:11 PM

don't know whether Sheed has played C for the Pistons or not but based on his rep, it'd be hard to see him accepting a bench role. When you've been the man for so long, it's difficult....even if Pierce and KG are in front of you.

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 11:11 AM

yea kalo beat me to it. sheed was never the man on any team.

But i have to disagree that perk would still start over sheed. If sheed would succumb to playing center(which im sure they talked about during their meeting) then why wouldnt he start? hes a proven leader and veteran and he played some center for detroit, especially when Big Ben left.

Posted by: mrhney03 | July 6, 2009 12:11 PM

"Completely untrue and flat out wrong. He didn't get the minutes because of his well documented differences with Eddie Jordan."

Completely speculative and based on unproven and biased assumption. Did Haywood and Jordan have differences? Sure. Has it been "well documented" that Jordan refused to play him because of those differences, despite the fact that, according to you, Haywood was so obviously a "35 mpg center" (basically cutting off his own, and the team's, nose to spite his face)? I haven't seen any of that documentation. And, of course, the handy "EJ hated him" explanation does nothing to account for the fact that Doug Collins played him even fewer minutes than Jordan.

What is fact--proven and irrefutable--is that Haywood has, for his entire career, been nothing more than a time share as starting C. Is he capable off being more? Well, that's speculation at best, but the evidence of history suggests not.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2009 12:13 PM

"Saunders just needs to learn how to coach to win in the Playoffs period.Posted by: getanaccount"

I never understand sentiments like this. What do you mean, 'learn to coach to win in the Playoffs.." The presumption being that coaching is the reason they didn't win. We haven't begun to establish that.

In fact, you could argue that Saunders' teams mostly played above their heads -- with the exception of those last couple years in Detroit, when they seemed to tank. He might get blame for that. But in Minnesota? I hardly think so.

This whole line of thinking is what gets teams to do dumb things like fire Eddie Jordan a dozen games into the season.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 6, 2009 12:16 PM

"hes a proven leader"

That's a joke, right? Rasheed Wallace a proven leader?

"As for Sheed, more than one player has stated publicly that he was one of the best in the league in terms of overall ability and one of the toughest guys to guard."

Exactly. Which makes his pronounced and (to use your term) "well-documented" tendency to half-step, melt down, and disappear at crucial moments so maddening and confounding. His talent has never been in question. But it takes more than that to be "the man" and Rasheed has never displayed those qualities on any team. In fact, if anything, he's pointedly avoided the role.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2009 12:17 PM

Fox Sports is saying Marbury is gonna sign with the Wizards. What the f***! God I hope their wrong.

Posted by: rskinz34 | July 6, 2009 12:20 PM

In any case, all the talk about what Wallace has or hasn't done in the past doesn't really count for much. Right now, Kendrick Perkins is a better player than Wallace, and that's the reason he's likely going to be the Celtics' starter.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2009 12:24 PM

"getanaccount

LeBron recognizes the difference between the Wiz with a healthy Gil and the Wiz without a healthy Gil.

At the same time, we have also seen how fake LeBron can be. I don't take anything away from LeBron as a player. I think he will surpass Jordan as GOAT, and said that about 4 years ago. But, Cleveland is beatable and has not done anything. They beat the wizards once in 6 games when Gil was healthy. Gil averaged 30+ that series. But don't get it twisted and say they beat the wizards 3 straight while making it seem that Cleveland had a clear injury advantage. Don't act like Gil and Caron played in the re-match the next year when they didn't. Don't act like Gil was on his game and healthy in the 3rd series when in fact he had to shut it down.

Now if you want to say that Gil will never be the same, you can say that.

But Cleveland winning 3 series does not impress me and the Wizards are sure not scared of Cleveland. For the record, the crab dribble did not start this year. LeBron stole a playoff game with it.

Be real, not fake

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 6, 2009 12:02 PM "
I'm not dissing Washington, I'm just stating fact: they haven't beaten LeBron in the Playoffs, bad refs or not. And I can talk about bad refs (LeBron scoring 25 points in a row in Detroit in the '07 ECF (Game 5) without any whistles called on him for offensive fouls while going to the basket.

Detroit hasn't beaten Lebron since '06, so they can't say anything either. However, Washington still needs a Center, as does Detroit. But, the Wizards are at the Luxury Tax, are they not?? So that means you can't make a trade for someone like Boozer or Bosh at the Trading Deadline.

Until Washington does something serious in the Playoffs, they're considered a second tier team, nothing more. And, like someone said earlier, they had the second worst record in the National Basketball Association last season. You also have a new coach (Saunders) that has a, to be blunt, lousy record in the Playoffs.

Posted by: getanaccount | July 6, 2009 12:28 PM

I like what EG is trying to do.Add an experianced big man with veteran minimum and keep on looking for mid season trade to up grade the team.I prefer Rashio, he has some shooting touchs and knows how to box out opponent centers.

Posted by: gtefferra | July 6, 2009 12:34 PM

"He's never had "great talent." He had one great player in Minnesota, but he was surrounded by a below average supporting cast, for the most part. The one year McHale surrounded Garnett with quality talent, Saunders got them to the Conference Finals in the toughest conference and one of the toughest divisions in the league. Realisitcally, that's as far as that team could have gotten.

The Pistons had very good talent, but not one truly great player on the roster. (And all of their talent was in the starting lineup, with little to no bench support.) Every year they lost under Saunders they lost to a team with a great player playing at the top of his game. They had a lot of things break their way the year they won the title, but without the benefit of that good fortune (and with the deficit of the players spiraling egos and Dumars' failure to replenish the roster) they weren't good enough to win another title.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2009 12:03 PM"

Larry Brown took that same team without a bench to Game 7 of the NBA Finals the season before Saunders took over the team. One of the criticisms of Saunders' run in Detroit by fans there was that he played the starters too many minutes in the Regular Season, and they were gassed by the Conference Finals. And, this is the other important thing: he didn't develop his bench, which you should use whenever you're ahead or behind by a small amount, just to see what they can do in Game Situations. Dumars had to force him to play young rookies like Rodney Stuckey and Affalo a lot of minutes in the Regular Season his last season in Detroit. And that payed off, as Stuckey had a solid game or two in the Playoffs, including torching the Celtics in Boston in Game 2 last year.

Yes, he had to deal with the egos on that team. However, he played it too safe in the Playoffs, and it caught up to him. I could tell what plays he was calling when they were behind, and if myself, a hoops fan, knows what's coming, someone that is paid to stop the other team will figure out a way to stop anything Saunders had planned.

But anyway, that isn't my headache anymore. That's Washington's headache now. And, you'll be ticked off at him in the years to come like I was.

Posted by: getanaccount | July 6, 2009 12:44 PM

getanaccount

We are debating, not fighting so you get respect.

Brendan Haywood has improved into a decent center. That is another thing that people tend to underestimate, his improvement. No he is not a superstar, but neither is Shaq, Kendrick Perkins or Big Z. The only center in the east is Dwight Howard. The starting center position will not be a problem. We do need depth though in that area, but only if Brendan gets hurt. For the record, Boozer and Bosh are not centers.

If you took out the best players off of Cleveland, Boston, Orlando, Washington and everyone else in the east, who would you choose for a team?

That means take out LeBron, Gil, KG or Pierce but not both, Bosh, Dwight Howard, Josh Smith from Philly, Devin Harris from Jersey, Derrick Rose. You cannot include nobody considered the best player on their team in the east.

Now give me 2 rosters of players available and I'd bet washington would have more players picked than any other team in the east.

Don't fall into a trap of basing everything historically, while on the outside looking in.

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 6, 2009 12:47 PM

"Larry Brown took that same team without a bench to Game 7 of the NBA Finals the season before Saunders took over the team. "

No he didn't, because they actually had a better bench those two seasons under Brown than they did under Saunders.

"One of the criticisms of Saunders' run in Detroit by fans there was that he played the starters too many minutes in the Regular Season, and they were gassed by the Conference Finals."

And one of the criticisms of Dumars by Detroit fans was his failure to replenish the bench after those two title runs.

"And, this is the other important thing: he didn't develop his bench, which you should use whenever you're ahead or behind by a small amount, just to see what they can do in Game Situations."

Can't develop what you don't have.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2009 12:48 PM


And you still have Flip Saunders. If I was the other team, and Saunders is manning the other side, I'm not worried at all, because he still has to prove he can win in the Playoffs.Posted by: getanaccount | July 6, 2009 11:47 AM

I don't think that LeBron even thinks of Washington as a challenge. They have beaten the Wizards each and every time they've faced each other in the Playoffs.

Enjoy your 45-50 wins, and a early exit in the Playoffs.

Posted by: getanaccount | July 6, 2009 11:25 AM

Joe Dumars is still the GM of the Detroit Pistons.

Posted by: getanaccount | July 6, 2009 10:55 AM

I'm not knocking the Wizards/Bullets. I have friends from that part of the country and we love to talk hoops

Posted by: getanaccount | July 6, 2009 11:12 AM

1. What are you even doing here? We should start a pool and bet on what part of the country you're from. My money is on Detroit. You've got nothing but love for Dumars and hate for Saunders. You admit to not even being a Wizards fan...has the vitriol on the Pistons pages over their recent moves gotten so bad that you need to go dump on the worst team in the eastern conference to make yourself feel better? Come back at the end of next season. We'll talk.

2. What about Dumars is so great that causes him to make sense when he spends $85mil on Gordon and Villenueva over 5 yrs right out of the FA gate? Especially on offensive minded players when you fault the wizards for having defense inferior to the Pistons. You just spent $50mil on a player who is planning on coming off the bench and your most reliable big is now Kwame Brown.

3. Lebron doesn't think of the Wizards as a challenge. but we've made them sweat every year we've been healthy (including the previous year when Gilbert still wasn't healthy) and we split the season series with them this season. Let me know if you think Lebron thinks of the Pistons as a challenge.

We have good reason to believe the Wizards can perform as well as the Pistons. And we'll talk about it on our boards all we want. Just as you can go to the board of whatever team you *actually* root for and do the same, which I wish you would.

Posted by: crs-one | July 6, 2009 12:50 PM

getaclue is right about one thing: the Wizards need to dedicate themselves to playing hard on the defensive end to have a shot. Gil and Caron in particular need to start putting in a consistent effort at that end of the floor. In the past, those two have demonstrated the ability to be good defenders when they work at it. They need to show the ability to do it for the entire time they are on the floor. Maybe having competent backups will convince them that they don't need to conserve their energy to play offense for 40+ minutes per game.

If they can do that, it might help allow Brendan to play more minutes, too. If the rest of the Wizards can do a better job of staying in front of their guys, Brendan will be able to avoid the extra energy expenditure that comes with having to always play aggressive help defense. The luxury to stay at home and box out the opposing center should improve our rebounding numbers as well.

Lastly, hopefully we can avoid this sequence in the future: Gil ignores Brendan's defensive call-outs and instead plays matador, so Brendan is forced to foul to prevent an uncontested layup. Then, at the other end of the floor, pissed off at Gil, Brendan stubbornly refuses to move the ball and instead tries to back his man down from the high post to the low post, leading to the inevitable turnover and Brendan getting pulled out of the game.

Posted by: yop32 | July 6, 2009 12:52 PM

getanaccount: "Larry Brown took that same team without a bench to Game 7 of the NBA Finals the season before Saunders took over the team."

Ever wonder why Larry booked at the end of that season? Think he saw something coming?

Larry Brown ain't no dummy.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 6, 2009 12:54 PM

getanaccount, meet kalo_rama.

have at ye, pistons followers.

Posted by: crs-one | July 6, 2009 12:54 PM

"I never understand sentiments like this. What do you mean, 'learn to coach to win in the Playoffs.." The presumption being that coaching is the reason they didn't win. We haven't begun to establish that.

In fact, you could argue that Saunders' teams mostly played above their heads -- with the exception of those last couple years in Detroit, when they seemed to tank. He might get blame for that. But in Minnesota? I hardly think so.

This whole line of thinking is what gets teams to do dumb things like fire Eddie Jordan a dozen games into the season.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 6, 2009 12:16 PM"

You have to earn the respect of your players. You don't do that, you're toast. Saunders should've been fired after blowing a 2-0 lead and Home Court against the Cavaliers in '07. He ended up with 3 straight trips to the ECF, and he didn't get it done. Like I just said, Larry Brown took the same team that didn't have a bench to Game 7 of the '05 Finals the season before Saunders took over.

Saunders to me is like the kid that gets the shiny new Corvette and crashes it into the ditch. I can give him excuses for his Minnesota failures, but when he had talent in Detroit that Brown took to two straight NBA Finals, winning one, and almost winning another, and you can't even get there, and you're given Three Straight Years to get the job done, it's not on the players, it's on you.

Posted by: getanaccount | July 6, 2009 12:54 PM

"Joe Dumars is still the GM of the Detroit Pistons. "

And since the team's owner (and Joe's mentor) died, there's been speculation about how much longer that would last if he doesn't bring home the goods. That team and organization has been coasting on the glory of the title and those two Finals appearances for a few years now. It's prove it time in Detroit, for players and management.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2009 12:54 PM

That's one of the reason's why they're on the scrap heap. The flip side, of course, is that you get what you pay for.

Posted by: kalo_rama
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Magloire as backup C is no worse than Songaila as backup C. He may not be as effective as a outside shooter, but he is a better rebounder. Even played at less minutes last season, he got more rebounds than Songiala (Magloire: 4 rebounds in 13 minutesl Songaila: 3 rebounds in 20 minutes.)

With the current team, I think rebounding is far more important than scoring. In terms of defense, they are both physical, but Magloire is bigger. So if nothing else, getting Magloire will be an upgrade on centers.

Posted by: sagaliba | July 6, 2009 12:55 PM

Would it be possible for the Wizards, particularly Gil, Caron, Antawn, and Foye/Miller at least try more on defense when you take into consideration that they have backups who can give them a break because they are now expending energy on both ends?

It is possible. Will they? Who knows but depth helps on the defensive end.

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 6, 2009 12:59 PM

yop: "Maybe having competent backups will convince them that they don't need to conserve their energy to play offense for 40+ minutes per game."

Even though Gil wasn't there, that was an issue last season: no depth. Not a lack of talent, but talent that wasn't ready to play. When folks here were complaining so bitterly about Tapscott not playing the young guys, it was often because they simply didn't have the fundamentals.

When McGee goes for the showy block and comes down three feet from where he's supposed to be, that's lack of fundamentals. Same when Nick Young passes up a lane to the basket in favor of a delicate fallaway jumper, which he misses of course. Or Blatche lets some journeyman forward shove him out of the blocks so the other team's PG can penetrate for a layup. Poor funamentals.

Which is probably why Ernie didn't want to give up Songaila in that trade. Songaila is far more limited as an athlete, but he doesn't make those same mistakes.

You could argue (and no doubt will) that the only way the kids will learn is through playing, but the flaw is that you don't learn fundamentals about positioning and thinking basketball in the second half of an NBA game. You're supposed to know them already.

Which is what makes this offseason so important.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 6, 2009 1:01 PM

What is fact--proven and irrefutable--is that Haywood has, for his entire career, been nothing more than a time share as starting C. Is he capable off being more? Well, that's speculation at best, but the evidence of history suggests not.

Posted by: kalo_rama
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As far as minutes goes, the history has shown that Haywood was reined in by a coach who liked to play "small ball." As for whether or not he will be effective playing more minutes, the answer "no" is as speculative as the answer "yes," because we haven't seen it yet.

We are all speculating on this board (that's what it is for anyway); why don't we wait till next season to talk about facts?

Posted by: sagaliba | July 6, 2009 1:10 PM

"We have good reason to believe the Wizards can perform as well as the Pistons. And we'll talk about it on our boards all we want. Just as you can go to the board of whatever team you *actually* root for and do the same, which I wish you would.

Posted by: crs-one | July 6, 2009 12:50 PM"

I went on here because the guy that is in charge of the Wizards Insider, Michael Lee, knows as much about the ins and outs of the NBA as I do. I was pointing out his (and the fans here) 'Pie In the Sky' Optimism is unfounded. And, I was warning you that Saunders' act will get old when you flame out in the first or second round of the Playoffs, if you get that far. I'm not dissing the Wizards, I'm just pointing out flaws in your team from a distance.

If you (crs-one) don't like what I'm saying, don't read it. Freedom of Speech, haven't you heard, if you bothered to read in school. Just like I could care less about the Redskins, who haven't done nothing since Joe Gibbs was their coach the first time. (The Detroit Lions really stink, but that's stating the obvious.) I come on here usually to check out what the Morons in D.C. are screwing up with my tax dollars, and don't care either way about the Washington teams. How's the Nationals by the way??

Posted by: getanaccount | July 6, 2009 1:11 PM

Gil and Caron in particular need to start putting in a consistent effort at that end of the floor.

yop32, You gave AJ a break by not listing him. He's probably the worst defensive player we have. At least Cb and Gil will get an occasional steal.

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 1:16 PM

"I come on here usually to check out what the Morons in D.C. are screwing up with my tax dollars, and don't care either way about the Washington teams. How's the Nationals by the way??Posted by: getanaccount"

Well, thanks for giving us some insight into what the Morons are thinking in Detroit. At least they don't have our tax dollars, huh? Oh wait a minute, they do....


Posted by: Samson151 | July 6, 2009 1:21 PM

Would it be possible for the Wizards, particularly Gil, Caron, Antawn, and Foye/Miller at least try more on defense when you take into consideration that they have backups who can give them a break because they are now expending energy on both ends?

Good question, GMan11. Of course, that's assuming that they slacked off on defense because they were conserving energy for offense. I personally think they didn't play defense because they don't know how. AJ's comments last year about how BTH would be missed because he called out defensive assignments and put ppl into the right places on D was alarming.
Repeated wide open shots because of poor rotations and closeouts suggests to me that we may have a problem with team-wide low Wonderlic scores if you know what I mean. I'm not asking for a Mensa squad but come on...

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 1:22 PM

Unfortunately, I don't think AJ is capable of playing much better D. Unlike Gil and Caron, AJ tries hard, he just doesn't have the tools.

Posted by: yop32 | July 6, 2009 1:22 PM

"And since the team's owner (and Joe's mentor) died, there's been speculation about how much longer that would last if he doesn't bring home the goods. That team and organization has been coasting on the glory of the title and those two Finals appearances for a few years now. It's prove it time in Detroit, for players and management.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2009 12:54 PM"

If they would ever fire Dumars, there are at least 20 teams that would take him as their GM in a second. I have never understood this 'what have you done for me lately' mentality in Pro Sports. Jerry Sloan has had 1 or two bad years in Utah, yet he's still the Head Coach out there for over 20 years. And the Pittsburgh Steelers have had only 3 Head Coaches the last 40 years, and each of them have at least one Super Bowl Championship to their resume.

If you don't have the resources and/or nice weather like the L.A. Lakers or San Antonio, or the history of Championships like Boston, you have to do something different. And Dumars is known for picking up rejects from other teams and making them better than the sum of their parts.

I would like to see if the fans in Washington will start to get tired of their current G.M. if the Wizards stay a so-so team that gets to the playoffs, and gets bounced immediately thereafter, or have a few more bad years like last season.

By the way, folks, I'm not trolling. I'm talking hoops, especially in this blog that started with Michael Lee giving his opinion on the Pistons' recent moves. If he was talking about the Wizards' moves, I would've read it and moved on. But, when he is talking about a team he doesn't even cover, I had to respond, because he knows about as much about Pro Hoops as I do, and that ain't much.

Posted by: getanaccount | July 6, 2009 1:23 PM

True. Aj doesn't have the size. This begs the question...Why is he still starting if we're trying to do something on defense? It must be the 10 rebounds per game. No one else on our team can do that. We should have drafted or signed a rebounder.

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 1:27 PM

getanaccount,
You're welcome here as far as I'm concerned. As long as you're not from Cleveland...

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 1:28 PM

"Well, thanks for giving us some insight into what the Morons are thinking in Detroit. At least they don't have our tax dollars, huh? Oh wait a minute, they do....


Posted by: Samson151 | July 6, 2009 1:21 PM"

For the record, I don't live in Detroit (never did), or Michigan for that matter. The State of Michigan, for the record, usually gives a lot of money to Washington D.C. for the idiot politicians to waste away with, especially when the Auto Industry was healthy.

Posted by: getanaccount | July 6, 2009 1:28 PM

..although the Nationals comment was a low blow.
Can't wait to meet the Tigers once we get Strasburg, the Cuban defector and Bryce Harper next year. THEN, we'll talk baseball.

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 1:29 PM

Has it been "well documented" that Jordan refused to play him because of those differences, despite the fact that, according to you, Haywood was so obviously a "35 mpg center" (basically cutting off his own, and the team's, nose to spite his face)? I haven't seen any of that documentation.

Posted by: kalo_rama
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You must have forgotten that EJ refused to play Haywood after he played quite effectively against Cleveland in '06-'07 playoff.

Posted by: sagaliba | July 6, 2009 1:30 PM

"getanaccount,
You're welcome here as far as I'm concerned. As long as you're not from Cleveland...

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 1:28 PM"

Thanks. I was born in Michigan, by the way. Like I said, I want to talk hoops, and not diss the home team or paper. I remember watching the Bullets back in the late '70s against Seattle in '78 and '79 and actually respecting their teams, and the fact that a lot of Bullets/Wizards players seem to go to Detroit eventually (From Mahorn, the Wallaces, and Rip Hamilton.) If you guys would ever face Cleveland, I would root for you guys to beat them.

Posted by: getanaccount | July 6, 2009 1:33 PM

"..although the Nationals comment was a low blow.
Can't wait to meet the Tigers once we get Strasburg, the Cuban defector and Bryce Harper next year. THEN, we'll talk baseball.

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 1:29 PM"

Sorry about the Nationals crack. I forgot to be humble, and remember that the Detroit Tigers went 43-119 back in 2003.

The Good News? 3 years later, we went to the '06 World Series (lost in 5 to a mediocre St. Louis Cardinals team, but that's life.)

So, there is a chance for the Nationals to be good real fast. They have to have the right Management, and let them do the tough decisions.

Posted by: getanaccount | July 6, 2009 1:37 PM

"The State of Michigan, for the record, usually gives a lot of money to Washington D.C. for the idiot politicians to waste away with, especially when the Auto Industry was healthy.Posted by: getanaccount"

Well, think of it this way: the Federal Government provides a great deal of cash to the idiot politicians of Michigan, and of your home state as well, and a big fat chunk of it is wasted, in the great tradition of politics the world over.

For the record, I mean.


Posted by: Samson151 | July 6, 2009 1:38 PM

Looks like the Wiz are doing some bargain basement shopping looking at Nesterovic, Magliore, and Oberto as potential backup bigman. Washington Times reported that McDyess wanted the full MLE and the Wiz are looking for a less costly alternative. Guess than means one of the three stiffs above to provide another big body behind Brendan and to have 6 more fouls on the bench to use. Boston already has signed Rasheed, not that the Wiz were really in the running.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 6, 2009 1:43 PM

"Well, think of it this way: the Federal Government provides a great deal of cash to the idiot politicians of Michigan, and of your home state as well, and a big fat chunk of it is wasted, in the great tradition of politics the world over.

For the record, I mean.


Posted by: Samson151 | July 6, 2009 1:38 PM"

:)

If I understand you correctly, you're telling me that all politicians are corrupt and stupid??

Then we're in agreement then: We can criticize player moves for your or my favorite hoops team, but we all agree to diss the Political hacks of all stripes.

Motion passed!!

:)

Posted by: getanaccount | July 6, 2009 1:43 PM

"If I understand you correctly, you're telling me that all politicians are corrupt and stupid?? "

I'm saying in the final analysis, we all work for morons -- they run the world.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 6, 2009 1:55 PM

"I'm saying in the final analysis, we all work for morons -- they run the world.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 6, 2009 1:55 PM"

True on what you said. You should see some of the clowns I work with on my job.

Back to the Hoops, the Wizards should sign McDyess for th full MLE because he will bring it each and every night, and not take off on defense, like people such as Arenas. You do that, and they can be a force to reckon with in the Eastern Conference.

Besides, McDyess has played under Flip Saunders before, if you want that angle. Also, since he came to Detroit, he's been relatively healthy, given the history of his various surgeries.

Since the start of the '04-'05 season, McDyess has played in at least 62 games a season.

Season Games Played
'04-'05: 77 games
'05-'06: 82 games
'06-'07: 82 games
'07-'08: 78 games
'08-'09: 62 games (had to sit out a month because after being traded to Denver, he was released so he could re-sign with Detroit).

Posted by: getanaccount | July 6, 2009 2:10 PM

McDyess would want the full MLE (5.6 per ?). Since we're at or over the cap, wouldnt that be 11.2 mill total. Isn't there a dollar for dollar penalty?

If so, McDyess is not worth 11 mill.

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 2:16 PM

..or is there a tax threshold which is below the luxury tax cap? (this is what I just read online.

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 2:19 PM

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 2:21 PM

luxury tax is the penalty payment paid dollar for dollar above the soft cap.

So my question remains...

Why would Abe pay double (because of the tax) for a backup?

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 2:25 PM

"True. Aj doesn't have the size. This begs the question...Why is he still starting if we're trying to do something on defense? It must be the 10 rebounds per game. No one else on our team can do that. We should have drafted or signed a rebounder." - original_mark

He's also the best offensive threat we have after a healthy Arenas. Butler is capable of putting up points, but Jamison does it better within the offense and is more consistent.

We can't focus too much on individual defensive talents because we just don't have the players to be effective that way. We need to focus on a solid team defensive concept that plays to our strengths, or at the very least, does it's best to hide our weaknesses. Something that the entire team can buy into, and follow without too many mental mistakes.

Posted by: segastyle | July 6, 2009 2:28 PM

somebody wake up Michael and get him on the phone with some sources.

Posted by: the_shocker1 | July 6, 2009 2:31 PM

I happened to be reading about Michael Jackson and that last sentence takes on a whole other meaning..

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 2:49 PM

Posted by: original_mark | July 6, 2009 2:58 PM

I still have a hard time to understand why we are too hard on AJ.He is hamble,a double double player.He might have a weakness but he has so many ways of compensating it.He lead the team in steal this past season.At 33 he would not mind at all if the team has astrong double double PF who can play better defense.With an excellent point gard,AJ has his unortodox high % shoot for our team, he also post against some PF like the orlando PF.He can not play SF since he could not be fast on lateral movment.As far as i am concerned washington will never fall because of AJ. if the other 4 starters are good on both side of the court Aj would probably could go to #6. It is up to AB to decide his fate and use the opportunity of winning a starting position at PF.
by the way some one said they do not play defense because they do not know how to play defense.I do not agree on this.Evey NBA player knows how to play defense for his specific position.Even AJ knows how to play defense, he just had a long time bad habit that no coach has told him to improve. He has a difficulty to stay infront of his man and contest a shoot.He as a good 3 point shooting PF need not be dominated by a PF like the Atlanta PF.He usualy play good against KG,wallace and west.

Posted by: gtefferra | July 6, 2009 3:14 PM

"If they would ever fire Dumars, there are at least 20 teams that would take him as their GM in a second."

No doubt. And the same is true of Ernie Grunfeld.

Dumars is a good GM, who did a nice job in building a championship team. But pro sports is a what have you done for me lately business, and Dumars really hasn't done much lately. He may have gotten as much mileage as he can out of that title. Now he has to prove it again.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2009 4:00 PM

"You must have forgotten that EJ refused to play Haywood after he played quite effectively against Cleveland in '06-'07 playoff."

Can't forget something that never happened.

In 1he 07-08 season (which, unless my calendar is off, was after the 06-07 playoffs) Haywood played and started in 80 games and averaged a career high in mpg for a full season (not counting last season's 5 game cameo).

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2009 4:04 PM

And (in case I misinterpreted your garbled syntax) you're talking about Jordan only playing Haywood limited minutes in the 07 playoffs after haywood's moderate success against Ilgauskas in the regular season . . . wasn't that the same year where, late in the regular season, Haywood was excoriated by his teammates for sitting on the bench at the end of a game openly rooting for the other team's C to score on Thomas because he was having a tantrum about being taken out of the game?

Yeah, I can't imagine why Jordan wouldn't play a guy like that big minutes.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2009 4:16 PM

"Why would Abe pay double (because of the tax) for a backup?"

That applies to any player he signs for any amount, be it McDyess, Mzgloire, or Nesterovic. The fact is that they're already over the tax, which throws to the wind the idea that supposedly cheap Abe wouldn't exceed the tax. Now that they're their the question is, is it worth it to go all the way? More specifically, is there anyone out there worth going all the way for? By that standard, paying twice as much for McDuess makes more sense than paying twice as much for Magloire, because they'll get more out of McDyess (at least in theory). Not saying they should do it, but if they're of the mind to go all in and think they need a big, he's a better return on investment than anyone else out there.

It's a moot point, of course, because McDyess's services will be sought after by teams that look to be more in contention than the Wiz. The only reason he'd come here is for the money, and the Wizards can't offer him any more than anyone else will.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2009 4:23 PM


If you (crs-one) don't like what I'm saying, don't read it. Freedom of Speech, haven't you heard, if you bothered to read in school.
Posted by: getanaccount | July 6, 2009 1:11 PM

I always find it amusing when people cite freedom of speech and say if I don't like it I don't have to read it. Just because your speech is protected doesn't mean it's not pretty lame to come onto a fan forum and talk down at their team. And I also have the freedom to wish people like you would leave our team's forum. I still think it's rude to come into someone's house and talk about how their opinions are naive and inferior to their own.

We have plenty of people here who think their reasoning is far superior to everyone else's. We don't need to recruit more of those from other fanbases.

However, I can see you taking exception to Michael Lee speaking less than glowingly about (what appears to be) your Pistons. In which case I could see you jumping into the fray. But you sure came into the room yelling pretty loudly, so you're going to get it coming right back to you.

Yeah, our GM is trying our patience right now. He's made good moves of turning nothing into something just like you feel Dumars has. He's gotta make something happen and quick.

Yes, Saunders hasn't gotten past the conference finals before. Not a lot of coaches do, and less become champions. Ultimately, you can't pin success or failure on one coach just like you can't on any one player. If you could, Lebron would be a champion and Doc Rivers would be out of a job. I understand you didn't like what he did in Detroit, and he carries a lot of stigma for you. Your concern is appreciated. We'll see if he can mesh with our team and make something happen...after all, he was one of the two best coaches available.

Thanks for retracting your non sequiter about the Nationals. I will say, the Lerner brothers have yet to command the same amount of respect in my eyes as Abe Pollin after all the controversy over the Nationals stadium.

And I appreciate that you would root for us against the Cavs. I wished the same for detroit this year (although i couldn't watch it.) That always makes for a good peace pipe.

I agree that McDyess would be a good pickup, but I also wonder, along with omark, if he would be worth the doubling effect of the luxury tax.

So i suppose i can't say i want you to leave. but you'd be much more welcome if you toned down the abrasive arrogance.

Yeah, yeah, I know free speech. Whatever.

Posted by: crs-one | July 6, 2009 4:34 PM

Since the start of the '04-'05 season, McDyess has played in at least 62 games a season.

Season Games Played
'04-'05: 77 games
'05-'06: 82 games
'06-'07: 82 games
'07-'08: 78 games
'08-'09: 62 games (had to sit out a month because after being traded to Denver, he was released so he could re-sign with Detroit).


Of course, the flip side of that is when you add all of those games in with 4 straight years of making it at least to the conference finals, that adds up to a lot of miles on a 35 year old body with two surgically repaired knees.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2009 4:47 PM

Ooops. I meant one knee that's been surgically repaired twice. My bad.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2009 4:52 PM

Can't forget something that never happened.

Posted by: kalo_rama
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Then you need something to jar your memory: http://www.nba.com/games/20070428/CLEWAS/boxscore.html

In the second game of '06-'07 playoff, Haywood scored 13 points in 18 minutes (80% FG, 75% FT). EJ played Haywood scrap minutes in game 3, and 0 minutes in game 4.

Posted by: sagaliba | July 6, 2009 4:59 PM

And (in case I misinterpreted your garbled syntax) you're talking about Jordan only playing Haywood limited minutes in the 07 playoffs after haywood's moderate success against Ilgauskas in the regular season . . . wasn't that the same year where, late in the regular season, Haywood was excoriated by his teammates for sitting on the bench at the end of a game openly rooting for the other team's C to score on Thomas because he was having a tantrum about being taken out of the game?

Yeah, I can't imagine why Jordan wouldn't play a guy like that big minutes.

Posted by: kalo_rama
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Interesting, my students at graduate school never have trouble understanding my "garbled syntax." Maybe I should not expect everyone to be on that level. :)

And which teammate told you that? Obviously whoever gave you that information forgot to tell Wizards management. Because, instead of trading Haywood, as was widely speculated at that time, Wizards management forced conciliation between EJ and Haywood. EJ even visited Haywood during the off season, encouraged by EG.

Posted by: sagaliba | July 6, 2009 5:12 PM

"In the second game of '06-'07 playoff, Haywood scored 13 points in 18 minutes (80% FG, 75% FT)."

As I recall, they lost that game. Can't imagine why a coach would look at trying different combos after a game in which his team lost. And it's not like (A) Haywood dominated the game or (B) Etan Thomas played poorly, compared to Haywood (9 and 5 in 16 minutes compared to 13 and 4 in 18 mins for Haywood).

"EJ played Haywood scrap minutes in game 3"

Haywood played 10 minutes in game 3 and scored no points, grabbed no rebounds, and blocked no shots. Gee, I can't imagine why a coach wouldn't play a guy who puts up a line like that 48 minutes in the next game.

So, basically, after a decent game 2, Haywood was given another shot in game 3 and proceeded to put up a big fat goose egg. (And, as I recall, he was pretty much outplayed by Ilgauskas when they were on the floor together.) Since, given his history, it's almost a given that Haywood pouted and whined after being benched in game 3, his game 4 cameo is pretty easily explained.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2009 5:18 PM

"And which teammate told you that?"

None. It was reported by either Ivan Carter or Michael Lee (can't recall which) right here on this very page immediately after the game, including (anonymous) quotes from more than one of his teammates.

"Because, instead of trading Haywood, as was widely speculated at that time, Wizards management forced conciliation between EJ and Haywood. EJ even visited Haywood during the off season, encouraged by EG."

So? The fact that they didn't trade him after it happened doesn't change the fact that it happened. Nor does it change the fact that that's the kind off behavior that might lead a coach not to trust a player in crucial situations.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2009 5:22 PM

Of course, it's all moot. Because contrary to your earlier post, Jordan didn't "refuse to play Haywood" after his okay game against the Cavs. Haywood got off the bench in the next game, stunk the joint up on both ends, and got yanked.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2009 5:28 PM

"Someone who gets traded fro Brian Cook and Kyle Lowry must not be viewed as very valuable to the team.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2009 8:08 AM "

He was valuable enough to start for the for 3.5 seasons, but he wasn't an all star, just like BTH wasn't.

Yao, TMac, and Alston...3 of 5 starters gone.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 6, 2009 5:29 PM

Joe Dumars is still the GM of the Detroit Pistons. If they get a big such as Bosh by say, the February trade deadline just like they got Rasheed Wallace in '04 when they went on the run to the '04 title, then anything's possible. No disrespect to the Wizards, but I don't see anything of that sort for them. They still need to do what I said earlier: stop the other team from scoring when it counts. And I've watched the Wizards/Bullets off and on over the years, and I still think that they can't.

It comes down to assets. Detroit had lots of cap room. I think Charlie V. was a waste. Ben Gordon is a nice spot player but I don't know if he was worth that money. Joe Dumars is the GM...but he has also made some bad moves, it's inevitable. They have $4 mil under the cap and Kwame expires at another $4 mil...so I don't see them bringing in a major impact player. Theyre gonna have to trade Rip, Prince, or Maxiell since Stuckey isn't going anywhere and everyone else is trash.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2009 5:47 PM

There's a rumor out there now that the Pistons and Jazz are talking about a trade of Hamilton for Boozer. On the one hand, it helps them money-wise because Rip has three more years left and appears to have worn out his welcome, while Boozer's contract expires after next season. On the other hand, Boozer and Villenueva are just as much of a bad fit as Hamilton and Iverson. Both play the same position and neither can credibly play either of the other frontcourt positions.

Of course, if they don't re-sign Boozer or Kwame after next season, they'd then have another $16 mil or so worth of cap space to dive back into the FA pool.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 6, 2009 5:55 PM

"Interesting, my students at graduate school never have trouble understanding my "garbled syntax." Maybe I should not expect everyone to be on that level. :).Posted by sagaliba"

I have no graduate students, but if I did, I'm sure they'd find my syntax hopelessly garbled -- quod erat demonstrandum.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 6, 2009 7:19 PM

He was valuable enough to start for the for 3.5 seasons, but he wasn't an all star, just like BTH wasn't.

Yao, TMac, and Alston...3 of 5 starters gone.

You're stupid. YAO MISSED 4 GAMES. And they lost. Alston started for 3.5 years? So has DeShawn Stevenson. Are you a fan?
Traded and injured are two different things. I think you come up with completely stupid points of view just to argue. Must be a lonely existence.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2009 8:43 PM

wade is also demanding improvment.I thinkif pat have the right player with his last year second pick, he might try Boozer.He has been lookingfor him for a while.Boozer is not the right pick at thispoint for wizard.I like a deal to land Dipo.

Posted by: gtefferra | July 6, 2009 8:51 PM

kalorama: "On the other hand, Boozer and Villenueva are just as much of a bad fit as Hamilton and Iverson. Both play the same position and neither can credibly play either of the other frontcourt positions."

That's the problem, isn't it? And I don't know how you resolve that, other than not to sign them. If you've got Boozer, you really shouldn't have Charlie. But if you have Rodney Stuckey, you shouldn't have Allen Iverson.

And yet, these guys sign them.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 6, 2009 9:05 PM

Forget the Luxury tax. Ernies' whole focus has been on getting the big 3 healthy to see what they can do. He dealt the draft pick to get depth in Foye & Miller. Now they won't use the MLE because it will cost them. Well as Herman Edwards says you play to win the game. If you are unwilling to go all in and pursue a player like the birdman or Varejo or any other competent big man then you may as well have dealt butler and Jamison and kept the draft pick to start the rebuilding process. What message does this send potential free agents or to your own team. The other teams in our division are loading for up we need to get in the game.

Posted by: anacostia85 | July 6, 2009 10:56 PM

Wow, no posts from Michael Lee in 4 days.
Is he still alive?

Posted by: mohammed10 | July 6, 2009 11:16 PM

Wow, no posts from Michael Lee in 4 days.
Is he still alive?

Posted by: mohammed10 | July 6, 2009 11:16 PM

There is nothing to post about, the Wizards aren't going to spend any more money (for everyone who thinks the old man planned on going over the cap this year, you have been reading Kal for way too long) and they won't make a trade till the trade deadline.

Maybe we will get some new posts about the summer league.....wow can't wait to see how well the players who couldn't even make it onto the court last year do against a bunch of scubs.

Don't worry the Wizards spin machine will be out in full force telling us they do not need another big man after the great things ETaps did for AB and JM?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 6, 2009 11:44 PM

"Traded and injured are two different things. I think you come up with completely stupid points of view just to argue. Must be a lonely existence.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2009 8:43 PM "

Stupid is what you do.

Go back to being a stats expert, in your mind only.

Again, getting back to the original debate topic, Amare is better at a lot of things MeTawn is good at, and is also great at things MeTawn isn't good at. Amare certainly will be an upgrade at the 4 spot, even though your math of 1 season says Amare only gets .2 rebs.

So stupid, but so funny you be.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 6, 2009 11:54 PM

Yeah and like I said Amare is also good at missing 20 games a season, and having surgery, Jackass.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 7, 2009 1:44 AM

It is very interesting that 15% of voters think the Zards can finish 1-3 as compared to 12% who think they will not make the playoffs.

With the avalanche of the continued negative comments, I would have thought the these %'s would be reversed.

I think it goes to show that these Wizards are better than most want to admit.

Go Wizs.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 7, 2009 9:05 AM

As far as the teams prospects for this upcoming season. When healthy the Wizards were a 4/5 team in the East. Not much is different outside of the loss of Mason, Songalia and DeShawn's back. Adding Miller and Foye plus the slow improvement of Blatche, McGuire stepping up, hopefully more common sense from Nick Young and JaVale and I have to say the Wizards are better than the last playoff edition and I don't see why they can't return to 4/5 status or even exceed expectations if things go well.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 7, 2009 9:29 AM

Amare and Antawn put up similar stats at the end of the game, but Amare gets his in fewer minutes. If they were on the same team, Amare would start, and Antawn would back him up. Amare has more potential in the playoffs, because his minutes increase by a larger percentage: from 34 min to 40+ min for Amare vs. from 38 to 43 for Antawn. Amare is clearly the better player.

However, when it comes to building a team, it's less clear cut. Amare's youth makes him more valuable, but his injury history counteracts that by an unknowable amount. Antawn is a lot cheaper than Amare ($11.64M vs. $16.38M). Furthermore, Antawn's ability to play heavy minutes and avoid injury allows his team to get by with a less skilled and therefore cheaper backup PF. The dollars saved, both in the head-to-head salaries and in the cost of their backups, allow Antawn's team to invest dollars to get better at other positions. Finally, Antawn is reported to be a better locker room presence.

Bottom line, Amare is the better player, but when it comes to building a team, Antawn may be the smarter investment.

Of course, even dumb investments sometimes pay off big....

Posted by: yop32 | July 7, 2009 9:31 AM

None. It was reported by either Ivan Carter or Michael Lee (can't recall which) right here on this very page immediately after the game, including (anonymous) quotes from more than one of his teammates.
None. It was reported by either Ivan Carter or Michael Lee (can't recall which) right here on this very page immediately after the game, including (anonymous) quotes from more than one of his teammates.

"Because, instead of trading Haywood, as was widely speculated at that time, Wizards management forced conciliation between EJ and Haywood. EJ even visited Haywood during the off season, encouraged by EG."

So? The fact that they didn't trade him after it happened doesn't change the fact that it happened. Nor does it change the fact that that's the kind off behavior that might lead a coach not to trust a player in crucial situations.

Posted by: kalo_rama
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kalo_rama,

It only happened in your brain. The report I read was him "giggling on the bench," not "openly rooting for the other team's C to score on Thomas" as you claimed. There is simply no verifiable report to call what you said as a "fact."

Anyway, whatever happened, as you said it yourself, EJ did not "trust" Haywood in certain situation, and that affected Haywood's playing time. So let's go back to what started this, it is possible that Haywood can have more playing time under a coach who will "trust him in crucial situations," no?

Posted by: sagaliba | July 7, 2009 10:24 AM

sdmd: "When healthy the Wizards were a 4/5 team in the East."

The operative word being 'were'. We don't know how good Gilbert will be after such a long layoff. We got a glimpse last season, and it looked pretty good. The Wiz were definitely a much better team when he played, even if his shots didn't drop. But that doesn't tell us much about the coming season.

Maybe it's like politics, another game where people are always making predictions. The researchers tell us that the more emphatic and definite the prediction, the more likely it is to be wrong. So when somebody predicts great progress or great disaster, they're probably wrong. Reality will lie somewhere in between.

I've seen a lot of that in sports, too. When you hear somebody predicting 50 wins or 15, avoid placing money on either extreme.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 7, 2009 10:26 AM

As I recall, they lost that game. Can't imagine why a coach would look at trying different combos after a game in which his team lost.

So, basically, after a decent game 2, Haywood was given another shot in game 3 and proceeded to put up a big fat goose egg. (And, as I recall, he was pretty much outplayed by Ilgauskas when they were on the floor together.) Since, given his history, it's almost a given that Haywood pouted and whined after being benched in game 3, his game 4 cameo is pretty easily explained.

Posted by: kalo_rama
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And you should also recall, they lost all 4 games, it is not like other options are proven better. By all accounts, Haywood has always played well against Ilgauskas (go check Ivan or Michael's writing).

In Game 3 Haywood played "scrap minutes," i.e., 2 minutes here, and 3 minutes there, etc. More like EJ was trying to find a justification for his DNP in Game 4. Judged by your "given his history (more like the history as remembered by you, such as giggling becomes routing for opponent), it's almost a given" line, you don't really remember that game, do you?

Posted by: sagaliba | July 7, 2009 10:36 AM

"...it is possible that Haywood can have more playing time under a coach who will "trust him in crucial situations," no?" - sagaliba

Yes, it's possible, but it's just as possible that McGee could improve enough and also be 'trusted' to eat into those extra available minutes. Haywood has in the past had a concentration problem. He becomes lackadaisical on the court, especially on the offensive end. His last full season, he seemed to get passed that, which is why he 'looked' so much more improved even though his numbers were not significantly better.

This is a big year for Haywood and McGee. Haywood is creeping into the over 30 club, which, unless you are a top flight guy, typically means your salary plateaus or goes down. If McGee shows in practice and in game that he will be ready to become the starting center for this club in his third season, Haywood should not be expecting an offer any larger than his current deal from us.

Posted by: segastyle | July 7, 2009 10:45 AM

sdmd: "When healthy the Wizards were a 4/5 team in the East."

The operative word being 'were'. We don't know how good Gilbert will be after such a long layoff. We got a glimpse last season, and it looked pretty good. The Wiz were definitely a much better team when he played, even if his shots didn't drop. But that doesn't tell us much about the coming season.

Maybe it's like politics, another game where people are always making predictions. The researchers tell us that the more emphatic and definite the prediction, the more likely it is to be wrong. So when somebody predicts great progress or great disaster, they're probably wrong. Reality will lie somewhere in between.

I've seen a lot of that in sports, too. When you hear somebody predicting 50 wins or 15, avoid placing money on either extreme.

I completely agree. I don't think they're in for another 19 win season, and I'm not saving my money for Finals tickets either.

With what you said about Gilbert, that's why I like the pickup of Foye. Up and coming, young guy who can fill that role instead of Daniels/James/Dixon/Critt (even though I love his potential)

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 7, 2009 10:46 AM

McGee just needs some basic understanding of defensive concepts, to relax and put on some muscle. I can't see him being a major force until maybe midway through his 3rd season or his 4th. He's gonna be nice though...I think.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 7, 2009 10:52 AM

Larry, Larry, Larry

Like in any poll you take away the extreme votes (that’s the 15% of voters who think the Zards can finish 1-3 and the 12% who think they will not make the playoffs) and go with the majority. That means the Wizards are a 4th,5th,and /or 6th place team (if healthy) and depending on who they meet in the first round (looking at their history) may not make it to the second round even with the “GREAT” move EG made by picking up the stud Mike Miller.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 7, 2009 10:52 AM

Peter John Ramos.

He's big, he's cheap, he's stupid.

Ok. Scratch that last one.

But if you look at his stats, he has incrementally improved every year in other leagues. Maybe we could use a 7'3.5" 275 pound guy with 6 hard fouls.

Get him or our other retread Lang and then immediately report to your nearest church, mosque or synagogue and pray for BTH's health.

Posted by: original_mark | July 7, 2009 11:00 AM

Posting here again because we have no other articles of relevance.

On Monday, Yahoo NBA rumors column reported that the Wizards are considering Rasho Nesterovic, Channing Frye, Jason Collins, or Jamaal Magloire for 5~10 minutes a game to backup Brendon.

If so, are they also considering an upgrade to Drew Gooden who is considerably better than any of these throwaways, or, would it be worth taking a lesser player if we can trade Mike James $6mil contract in the process?

Posted by: liveride | July 7, 2009 11:09 AM

Can somebody tell Michael the holiday is over.

Posted by: the_shocker1 | July 7, 2009 11:38 AM

Posted by: Dave381 | July 7, 2009 11:57 AM

Clearly the author of that article has something against Gilbert. He mentioned Gil's blog, which has absolutely nothing to do with his performance. Once folks lose their objectivity, it's easy to ignore their viewpoints even they do contain shreds of truth.

Posted by: original_mark | July 7, 2009 12:40 PM

segastyle,

I too, hope McGee can take a big leap forward. He has more physical talent than Haywood, and has potential to be great. But judging by last year, he still has a lot to learn, so we'll have to keep our fingers crossed.

As for Haywood's salary, a lot would hinge on how well he plays under the new coach. But if he plays somewhat decent, the market probably will be higher than his current salary, which is even lower than Etan's, a career backup.

Here is a glance of salaries among starting centers:

Eddy Curry: 10.5 M
Dalembert: 11.4 M
Brad Miller: 12.3 M
Igauskas: 11.5 M
Andrew Bogut: 10M
Okafor: 10.5 M
Dampier: 10.1M
Nene: 10.5M
Kaman: 10.4M

None of them is a clear cut above Haywood, and yet, they earn roughly twice as much as Haywood.

Posted by: sagaliba | July 7, 2009 1:48 PM

The difference between Haywood now and when he had his disagreements with Etan and EJordan, is that Haywood is a better player. He has improved. Back then both Etan and Haywood stunk. Matter of fact, Etan won the starting center position coming out of training camp. Haywood has shown improvement in his offensive game because of practice and getting stronger since then. Thus, EJordan showed more trust in him the year before Brendan was hurt.

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 7, 2009 1:49 PM

Can somebody tell Michael the holiday is over.

Posted by: the_shocker1 | July 7, 2009 11:38 AM

There is nothing new for Michael to post.

With the Wizards what you see now is what you are going to get next year on the court. Which means, hurry up and buy your season tickets.

If Susan was still around they would be printing t-shirts and going with the slogan…..

“One and Done!”

Be happy with what you get………

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 7, 2009 2:30 PM

and why do they only bring up things they perceive as negative? Does he have any idea as to whether Gilbert gets along with teammates or not. Cause as far as I know, he is not a part of a lockerroom problem.

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 7, 2009 3:20 PM

guess i just kinda assumed someone in the biz with inside sources would have a rumor or two to report. the wiz have the MLE and a expiring contract with some young talent. one would think the team may have an interest in signing a player, trading for a player, or something... silly me.

Posted by: the_shocker1 | July 7, 2009 3:44 PM

G-Man 11 makes a strong case why Haywood has improved so much and his value to the team. Eddie never really appreciated BTH's game because he wasn't overly physical and didn't want him to ever be involved in the offense. During the 2007-2008 season (partly out of necessity), Eddie had to rely on BTH more and his hard work in the gym paid off. Another reason his minutes will increase this year is that he's improved his FT % to over 70% and is not a liability to have on the court on the 4th quarter on the offensive end.

BTH will play a minimum of 30 minutes a game this year while the veteran big they sign such as Magliore is used 10-15 minutes or if another team goes big. Considering the window is rapidly closing on this Wizards' edition, McGee will be seeing most of his action in games against weaker teams, blowouts, or in limited 4-5 minute bursts.

Also, his teammates including the Big 3 have come to the realization that Haywood is a necessity for this team to contend against good teams....he will never be a great center, but is more than serviceable.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 7, 2009 4:11 PM

"And you should also recall, they lost all 4 games, it is not like other options are proven better. By all accounts, Haywood has always played well against Ilgauskas (go check Ivan or Michael's writing)."

Except in Game 3, where he played 10 minutes and did his best impression of a corpse. What he did 3 months or even 1 game prior against Ilgauskas was irrelevant. The goal was to win the game they were playing that night and Haywood did a grand total of nothing to aid in that cause. The fact is, he came out and sleepwalked his way through a crucial playoff game and, as a result, got yanked in that one and benched in the next one. Again, nothing shocking or unusual about that (esp. for a player with a history of butting heads with the coach over his lax efforts and attitude).

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2009 4:14 PM

"In Game 3 Haywood played "scrap minutes," i.e., 2 minutes here, and 3 minutes there, etc. More like EJ was trying to find a justification for his DNP in Game 4."

More like you're spinning, still trying to cook up justification for the conspiracy theory whereby everyone is responsible for Haywood's shortcomings but Haywood. He was ineffective for the time he was on the court. How that time was divided up is meaningless and irrelevant. Last I checked there was nothing in the rule book that prevented a player from grabbing a rebound or blocking a shot if he plays fewer than a certain number of minutes at a time. (i.e., "Section 4, Article 3 clearly states that a player is not allowed to attempt a rebound unless he has played at least 5 consecutive minutes of the game. Violation of this rule results in a technical foul and possession for the opponent.")

"Judged by your "given his history (more like the history as remembered by you, such as giggling becomes routing for opponent), it's almost a given" line, you don't really remember that game, do you?"

I remember it well enough to know that your take on it is a bunch of obvious spin doctoring and convenient omissions.

"The report I read was him "giggling on the bench," not "openly rooting for the other team's C to score on Thomas" as you claimed. There is simply no verifiable report to call what you said as a "fact."

How it actually happened I can't say because I wasn't at the game, and it wasn't shown on the TV broadcast. But it was, for a fact, reported as Haywood celebrating when Thomas got beat on the court. You can quibble about the semantics of "rooting" versus "giggling" all you want, but it all comes down to the same thing: A guy sitting on the bench openly expressing pleasure at the failure of a teammate (and, by extension, his team) on the court. If you can't understand why such behavior is unacceptable, then there's no point even attempting to explain it to you.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2009 4:15 PM

"Anyway, whatever happened, as you said it yourself, EJ did not "trust" Haywood in certain situation, and that affected Haywood's playing time. So let's go back to what started this, it is possible that Haywood can have more playing time under a coach who will "trust him in crucial situations," no?"

Of course, that isn't where this started. It started with you claiming that Jordan "refused" to play Haywood after he'd played a good game 2. That is simply not true because (A) Haywood did play in Game 3 and (B) Haywood's production in Game 2 was not of the sort where it would somehow demanded more PT (he was on the court 18 minutes and only grabbed 4 rebounds). And his lack of effort in Game 3 resulted in his benching in game 4.


As for Haywood becoming (as OM called him) "a 35 mpg C" (which he is not and has never been): Is it possible he could be in the future? As I've already said, sure, anything's possible. But the likelihood of a 30 year old, 9 year vet who's never been a big minutes starter all of a sudden becoming a 35 mpg workhorse are slim to none. That's where history comes in because that kind of thing has rarely happened in the past (if ever) and there's nothing about Haywood to suggest he'll be bucking that trend anytime in the future.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2009 4:16 PM

Larry,

Your boy hansborough is garnering a lot of attention over at nba.com.

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/07/06/summer.orlando.1/

It seems like that, for as little hype that he had at the draft, he sure is getting a lot of face time there now, even if it is only summer camp. Sounds like a good potential underdog storyline. Count me in.

Posted by: crs-one | July 7, 2009 4:21 PM

guess i just kinda assumed someone in the biz with inside sources would have a rumor or two to report. the wiz have the MLE and a expiring contract with some young talent. one would think the team may have an interest in signing a player, trading for a player, or something... silly me.

Posted by: the_shocker1 | July 7, 2009 3:44 PM

unfortunately, the name "insider" is a little misleading, because they still maintain certain journalistic standards and don't report rumors. I for one enjoy rumors, but it's just not in the cards.

Posted by: crs-one | July 7, 2009 4:22 PM

Here is a glance of salaries among starting centers:

Eddy Curry: 10.5 M
Dalembert: 11.4 M
Brad Miller: 12.3 M
Igauskas: 11.5 M
Andrew Bogut: 10M
Okafor: 10.5 M
Dampier: 10.1M
Nene: 10.5M
Kaman: 10.4M

None of them is a clear cut above Haywood, and yet, they earn roughly twice as much as Haywood.

In terms of actual on-court talent and ability all of them (with the possible exception of Dalembert and Dampier) are a clear cut above Haywood. Now, as things currently stand several of them have issues beyond talent (age, injury, attitude) but in terms of basketball, most of them are pretty easily better than Haywood.

Ilgauskas and Miller are former, multiple all-stars; there's no real question that their talent level is higher than Haywood's. Now it can be argued (as I'm sure you will) that age has taken something away from them (although, even with that, Miller is still better), but at the time they signed their current deals (when they were close to the same age Haywood is now) they were unquestionably better. And among the ones younger than Haywood, Nene, Bogut, and Kamen are all more talent, athletic, and better all-around, and they all (unlike Haywood) are still young enough to have room to improve.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2009 4:24 PM

On the Pistons front (since that's the topic of the inciting entry): It looks like Avery Johnson won't be the new Pistons coach. Good news for all the Jordan bashers, though. Apparently Tom Thibadeau is one of the remaining candidates for the job.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2009 4:31 PM

HAWKS blogsters over at the ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION are laughiing at your WIZARDS and saying they are going to suck really bad. We need a solid back-up big for HAYWOOD. McGEE will have to gain 60 pounds to be effective in there. That will probably take away his athleticism. Besides he's a great four waiting to happen IMO. I'm inclined to agree at this point with the nay-sayers. EG, what have you got up your sleeve, and how much tax is ABE willing to pay to change our front court situation?

Posted by: glawrence007 | July 7, 2009 4:46 PM

"Yeah and like I said Amare is also good at missing 20 games a season, and having surgery, Jackass.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 7, 2009 1:44 AM "

And MeTawn is good at totally missing at the defensive end of the court.

And Gilby's good at missing entire seasons and having multiple surgeries. Gilby easily trumps Amare at that....lameass.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 7, 2009 6:00 PM

"Clearly the author of that article has something against Gilbert. He mentioned Gil's blog, which has absolutely nothing to do with his performance. Once folks lose their objectivity, it's easy to ignore their viewpoints even they do contain shreds of truth.

Posted by: original_mark | July 7, 2009 12:40 PM "

This coming from the Kool-Aid man himself.

OH YEAH!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 7, 2009 6:04 PM

"Here is a glance of salaries among starting centers:

Eddy Curry: 10.5 M
Dalembert: 11.4 M
Brad Miller: 12.3 M
Igauskas: 11.5 M
Andrew Bogut: 10M
Okafor: 10.5 M
Dampier: 10.1M
Nene: 10.5M
Kaman: 10.4M

None of them is a clear cut above Haywood, and yet, they earn roughly twice as much as Haywood." - sagaliba

Looks like kal beat me to it. Most of those guys on that list were either former All-Stars, former top 10 picks, or signed deals after career years. They were also younger than 30 when they signed those deals. I'd also argue that all of them were better than Haywood is now when they signed their previous current contract, with the exception of Dalembert and Nene. Both of whom belong to teams that have tried to trade them away in the past because they signed them for too much money.

Anderson Varejao is a better comparison. I think Haywood is better, but Varejao is 3 years younger. If Haywood has a career year, he could be looking at 8-10 mil next season. Given his previous 8 years though, I wouldn't count on it. I'd suspect he'll be more in the 6-8 mil range after the season. Of course, it also depends on the Wizards needs. A team will overpay to keep someone if they feel they have no other viable option.

But if I'm the GM, and I feel assured that going into 2010, McGee is my clear-cut starter, I'm not going to want to pay Haywood $8 mil a year for 4 years to be his backup.

Posted by: segastyle | July 7, 2009 6:07 PM

And MeTawn is good at totally missing at the defensive end of the court.

And Gilby's good at missing entire seasons and having multiple surgeries. Gilby easily trumps Amare at that....lameass.

It's amazing that both of those statements describe Amare as well. And you want to give him a max contract. No thanks Mr. Unseld. How many surgeries for Amare in the last 2 years?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 7, 2009 6:09 PM

Considering the window is rapidly closing on this Wizards' edition, McGee will be seeing most of his action in games against weaker teams, blowouts, or in limited 4-5 minute bursts.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 7, 2009 4:11 PM

wizfan89,

Where were you last year? McGee couldn't get action in games against weaker teams, blowouts, and/or in limited 4-5 minute bursts and the Wizards only won 19 games?

I was on here last season wondering why they didn't play the young guys? It would have been nice to see if they can play in the NBA, but nooooooooooooo kal and ETaps wouldn't let the young guys play! They thought the fans would still come out and spend their money if AJ and CB logged 40 mins a game?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 7, 2009 6:26 PM

HAWKS blogsters over at the ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION are laughiing at your WIZARDS and saying they are going to suck really bad.

Posted by: glawrence007 | July 7, 2009 4:46 PM

I was never really impressed with the journalistic quality of the AJC. Not really concerned with what their fans think.

Posted by: crs-one | July 7, 2009 7:29 PM

DEAR ERNIE,

I KNOW YOU WON'T SEE THIS BUT I AM COMPELLED TO WRITE THIS IN VIEW OF OUR LACK OF MOVEMENT WATCHING OTHER TEAMS GETTING BETTER AND BETTER...


PLEASE, I AM NOW BEGGING. I AM NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING CRAZY... NO AMARE DEALS, NO 5 TEAM TRADES, ETC.

JUST 2 MOVES. 2 VERY MAKABLE REASONABLE MOVES TO BALANCE OUR ROSTER FOR THIS UPCOMING SEASON.


#1 TRADE MIKE JAMES TO NY FOR JARED JEFFRIES. (MAYBE INCLUDE VEREMEENKO TO GET IT DONE?)

#2 SIGN FA JOE SMITH


THAT'S IT. NOT TOO MUCH TO ASK IS IT? IF YOU CAN DO THIS, I WILL BE VERY HAPPY!!


I WANT THESE GUYS BECAUSE WE NEED VETS, GUYS WHO WE KNOW WHAT THEY BRING, KNOW THEIR ROLLS, WILL FIT IN WITHOUT COMPLAINTS, AND PROVIDE CHEMISTRY. I WANT THESE GUYS BECAUSE OF THEIR DEFENSE, REBOUNDING, AND VERSATILITY.

SMITH CAN PLAY C AND PF, JEFFRIES CAN DEFEND THE 2 THROUGH 4 SPOTS. THEY ARE GUYS WE CAN COME OFF THE BENCH TO THROW AT SOMEONE LIKE LEBRON, AS WELL AS STEVENSON AND MCGUIRE. SOME PHYSICAL DEFENDERS WITH LENGTH.

IT BALANCES THE ROSTER. WITH THESE 2 MOVES IT GIVES US 6 GUARDS, 6 FORWARDS, 2 CENTERS. IT GIVES US 3 PG, 3 SG, 3 SF, 3 PF, 2 CENTERS. SMITH AND BLATCHE CAN ALSO GET SOME PT AT CENTER WHEN NEEDED FOR ADDED DEPTH THERE ALSO.

C - HAYWOOD, MCGEE
PF- JAMISON, BLATCHE, SMITH
SF- BUTLER, MCGUIRE, JEFFRIES
SG- MILLER, YOUNG, STEVENSON
PG- ARENAS, FOYE, CRITTENTON

THAT'S A SOLID 14 MAN ROSTER.

Posted by: Darnell1 | July 7, 2009 7:43 PM

NY wants to move JJ, and wants an expiring contract in return (James). We know he can fit in here with the players we have. It just makes sense.

It gives us a very balanced and versatile roster...

7 scorers (Arenas, Foye, Young, Miller, Butler, Jamison, Blatche)

7 defenders (Crittenton, Stevenson, McGuire, Jeffries, Smith, McGee, Haywood)

Posted by: Darnell1 | July 7, 2009 7:47 PM

No GM with even a passing interest in staying employed is going to trade an expiring contract for the overpaid uselessness that is Jared Jeffries.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 7, 2009 8:00 PM

Are you talking from your heart? Why JJ? what miracle you expect from him and decide to load your self on his ecessive money? EG already made the decision not to mach the offer made by idiot Thomas.That is one of the best move EG made for wiz but he blew it on arenas and jamision.

Posted by: gtefferra | July 7, 2009 9:01 PM

EG did make a good move in not keeping JJ. Whether he has blown it with keeping Arenas and Jamison remains to be seen. Another 2-3 years ought to tell us, if not sooner.

Posted by: cannontl | July 7, 2009 9:53 PM

BulletsFan78, just thought it was curious that 1-3 got more % than not making the playoffs. But, to your synopsis, they will kick in the second round door.

And, Orlando might not be as good as last year. Skip to my low might be more valuable to that team than they think.

And Tyler H. CRSOne. Welcome, he's NBA ready.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 7, 2009 10:13 PM

"EG did make a good move in not keeping JJ. Whether he has blown it with keeping Arenas and Jamison remains to be seen. Another 2-3 years ought to tell us, if not sooner.

Posted by: cannontl | July 7, 2009 9:53 PM "

It was a good move not to keep JJ, but given that, it was another wasted draft pick for the Les BouleS organization.

Gilby and MeTawn have already played 3 solid seasons together for Les BouleS. What do they have to show for it? I don't think any more needs to be seen.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 7, 2009 10:24 PM

"It's amazing that both of those statements describe Amare as well. And you want to give him a max contract. No thanks Mr. Unseld. How many surgeries for Amare in the last 2 years?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 7, 2009 6:09 PM "

Sorry, the folks on this team aren't working. Time for a change, but clearly, you prefer status quo.

If they don't bring Amare here, that's fine. But, EG also shouldn't have resigned Gilby and MeTawn.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 7, 2009 10:27 PM

Dear kalo-rama,

I humbly request that you reveal your secret; the one where DCman_88 never eh eh ever responds to your post with snide remarks? No one else can seem to avoid his daily farts and parrot-like 'Les Boules' talk the way you can. (He's probably typing his response as I speak)

At first I thought that he just always agreed with you, but that would mean he sniffs your jock straps. I don't believe this is true...

Then I thought he was scared of you or at the very least intimidated. But that would mean he loses his street cred in DC.

I just want to post my opinion like you do without fear of DCman88 mumbo jumbo.

HOW DO YOU DO IT? I'm gonna keep asking until I learn it!

(btw DCMan_1988-congrats on finally being able to go to a bar and buy a drink son)

Posted by: Vicc | July 7, 2009 10:32 PM

Sorry, the folks on this team aren't working. Time for a change, but clearly, you prefer status quo.

If they don't bring Amare here, that's fine. But, EG also shouldn't have resigned Gilby and MeTawn.

Actually the status quo would be bringing in Amare. After microfracture surgery and 2 eye surgeries. Change to what exactly? So Jamison and Gil walk last year and what do they do? Then you'll complain a team that had been to the playoffs 4 years in a row got rid of 2 of it's best players and one who is a 26 year old former MVP candidate. It's a lose lose with some people.

I guess you would've said sign Elton Brand. How did that turn out for Philly? Baron Davis? Sign who? People always have complaints but no answers.

Unfortunately, it's not a good idea to break teams up and start over in the NBA every 3 years. Teams that stay together and take their lumps get better. This season is make or break in my opinion.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 7, 2009 11:31 PM

"Actually the status quo would be bringing in Amare. After microfracture surgery and 2 eye surgeries. Change to what exactly? So Jamison and Gil walk last year and what do they do? Then you'll complain a team that had been to the playoffs 4 years in a row got rid of 2 of it's best players and one who is a 26 year old former MVP candidate. It's a lose lose with some people.

I guess you would've said sign Elton Brand. How did that turn out for Philly? Baron Davis? Sign who? People always have complaints but no answers.

Unfortunately, it's not a good idea to break teams up and start over in the NBA every 3 years. Teams that stay together and take their lumps get better. This season is make or break in my opinion.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 7, 2009 11:31 PM "

Check your dictionary. Status quo means stuck with the same, and that means stuck with Gilby and MeTawn.

Also, I would have gladly gotten rid of Gilby and Metawn as I've said in the past. You must be new here.

How did resigning Gilby turn out for Les BouleS? Don't bring up Baron Davis and Elton Brand b/c there's no guarantee they wouldn't have blossomed elsewhere. Make some sense due and stop coming up with stupid scenarios that you think apply across the boards.

You only keep a team together when the team has shown success, and Les BouleS have not shown any success in the playoffs whatsoever. Your plan of status quo is weak. It's not make or break when it's already broke.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 7, 2009 11:44 PM

"Dear kalo-rama,

I humbly request that you reveal your secret; the one where DCman_88 never eh eh ever responds to your post with snide remarks? No one else can seem to avoid his daily farts and parrot-like 'Les Boules' talk the way you can. (He's probably typing his response as I speak)

At first I thought that he just always agreed with you, but that would mean he sniffs your jock straps. I don't believe this is true...

Then I thought he was scared of you or at the very least intimidated. But that would mean he loses his street cred in DC.

I just want to post my opinion like you do without fear of DCman88 mumbo jumbo.

HOW DO YOU DO IT? I'm gonna keep asking until I learn it!

(btw DCMan_1988-congrats on finally being able to go to a bar and buy a drink son)

Posted by: Vicc | July 7, 2009 10:32 PM "

Vicky, I'm glad you wasted 1/2 hour of your life typing this worthless post.

BTW, the "being able to buy a drink" remark is weak at best. I'd buy your mom a drink, but I don't have to.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 7, 2009 11:47 PM

Dear WaPo and Michael Lee,

We are in the middle of NBA Free Agency and this blog has not been updated for 5 days. That is F'in awful. If Lee is on vacation, get someone else to post something on the blog. Terrible coverage of the Wiz the last couple days. Awful.

Posted by: dominic10464 | July 8, 2009 12:00 AM

Check your dictionary. Status quo means stuck with the same, and that means stuck with Gilby and MeTawn.

Also, I would have gladly gotten rid of Gilby and Metawn as I've said in the past. You must be new here.

How did resigning Gilby turn out for Les BouleS? Don't bring up Baron Davis and Elton Brand b/c there's no guarantee they wouldn't have blossomed elsewhere. Make some sense due and stop coming up with stupid scenarios that you think apply across the boards.

You only keep a team together when the team has shown success, and Les BouleS have not shown any success in the playoffs whatsoever. Your plan of status quo is weak. It's not make or break when it's already broke.

Clearly, you haven't mastered the English language. Status quo or "stuck with the same" would be advocating the signing off a 26 year old all-star, coming off of microfracture surgery, and 2 more surgeries, with a bad attitude, that doesn't play ANY defense and has a knack for missing games in bundles across multiple seasons.

Yes, I'm new here...so what? Stupid is as stupid does..and the majority of what you say is stupid. So tell me this, Wizards let Gilbert and Antawn go and sign who? What would have been your masterplan?

The Bulls sure didn't have success getting smacked around by the Pistons. So I guess you would've gotten rid of Jordan huh?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 8, 2009 8:38 AM

The last time the big three were healthy they were seemingly the best team in the East, and now they have a better supporting cast. Of course various teams in the East have improved as well.

It remains to be seen if the major Wiz players can stay relatively healthy, and if so, compete with the better teams in the East.

Posted by: cannontl | July 8, 2009 8:45 AM

Ernie really never had any solid backups for Gilbert and Caron if they got injured. Hopefully they can play less minutes and stay fresher and if they do get hurt Foye, and Miller are at least adequate.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 8, 2009 9:30 AM

"Clearly, you haven't mastered the English language. Status quo or "stuck with the same" would be advocating the signing off a 26 year old all-star, coming off of microfracture surgery, and 2 more surgeries, with a bad attitude, that doesn't play ANY defense and has a knack for missing games in bundles across multiple seasons.

Yes, I'm new here...so what? Stupid is as stupid does..and the majority of what you say is stupid. So tell me this, Wizards let Gilbert and Antawn go and sign who? What would have been your masterplan?

The Bulls sure didn't have success getting smacked around by the Pistons. So I guess you would've gotten rid of Jordan huh?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 8, 2009 8:38 AM "

And everything you describe about Amare is exactly the current situation, and maybe even worse, with Les BouleS. Admit it.

It's clear that stupid is as stupid does, which is why you're stupid. You're so stupid that you're completely happy being fat and dumb with the same players who haven't brought the team any playoff success, but did bring the team to the lottery this past season.

You are totally stupid with your Jordan example. Jordan didn't have a team full of all stars and with the 3rd highest payroll in the league. Gilby, MeTawn, et all do!

Stupid!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 8, 2009 6:42 PM

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