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Summer League Update

Here are a couple of reports from Dan Steinberg in Las Vegas. The Wizards beat the Cavaliers last night, 96-93, and Andray Blatche made some interesting comments.

By Alexa Steele  |  July 15, 2009; 10:19 AM ET
 
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Blatche's comments sound like the typical blather you hear from people looking to pin responsibility for their shortcomings on other people. He sounds like someone looking to have his hand held and be babied through every step on the road.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 15, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Interesting quote from Wittman:

"I thought the thing Nick really did tonight, he made himself hard to guard," said Wizards assistant Randy Wittman, who is coaching the Summer League team. "Sometimes a young guy that can score and shoot kind of just runs around out there. Nick was moving with a purpose, I thought tonight, stopping, starting, creating a gap to get free. He made himself difficult to guard tonight, and then he made shots....As any coach does when a guy gets hot, you try to continue to go to him, and he's got to learn not to take the chances with the turnovers and stuff. It's like anything else, any coach in this league; if a guy makes three or four shots in a row, that [opposing] coach is saying 'Get the ball out of his hands,' And he's got to realize that, he's done his job, make the easy play, and now somebody else gets an easy basket."


Let's hope Young internalizes that for the regular season.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 15, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

The thing with Nick is that yes he can be potentially an excellent 6-man, but he also potentially can be a excellent starter if he played consistently on defense and learned to shoot off of the pass - running off screen, which is exactly what Flip has him working on. The 2guard position has been a loose link and he has the potential to be better than what we had the last couple years and better then any other 2guard on the roster as well. He can be a better, more athletic Rip Hamilton. Make no mistake about it, as the squad is currently made up, he is the 2-guard of the future, not Mike Miller. Foye is Gil's backup for now and the near future as well.

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 15, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

i think nick also needs the ball in his hands some during the summer league. his decision making has been questionable at times during games and i think he needs more practice having the ball in his hands finding offense for others vs. finding his shot. his abilitiy to make offense easy for his teamates will be the diff b/w him starting and being the 6 man.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 15, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Isn't that the same stuff Blatche said when Tapscott came on? Only to have a good game then revert right back to the normal laziness and random effort he displays... broken record.

When he comes in with a body that looks like a young man in his mid to early 20's and not a 40 year old, and effort to match, I'll believe.

Posted by: HollywoodPlayboy | July 15, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I think that he should be groomed to be a Rip Hamilton. Leave the running of the offense to Gil. Both are in a transitional period in terms of changing their games. Gil from Agent0 assassin to a Chauncey type(Agent0 is always welcome in the 4th qtr), and Nick to a less one-on-one ISO player to a player playing off his teammates, shooting behind screens. Let Antawn dipsy-doo or spot-up, and Caron play the opposite side doing his thing. I am not saying Nick should start this year, he could but he is still in development mode while we have competent vets, but in the future....

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 15, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

maybe we can get david lee in a sign and trade from the knicks from m. james, blatche, and a pick... at least d. lee won't skirt responsibility and is a walking double double!!! i'm done w/ blatche...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | July 15, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Blatche's comments sound like the typical blather you hear from people looking to pin responsibility for their shortcomings on other people. He sounds like someone looking to have his hand held and be babied through every step on the road.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 15, 2009 10:39 AM
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Maybe, but so what? Some people need that sort of positive support. It's unrealistic to expect every player to be a highly motivated self starter. If being babied produces results, then I'm all for it.

Posted by: IrenePollin | July 15, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I am glad my employers were not done with me at 22. I did things much worse than anything Blatche has done. Abe was done with C-Webb and traded him for a bag of beans and lost all of C-Webb's prime years. Remember the years where Webber shot alllllll those 3's? How he was throwing bad passes and they were in a playful basketball style, sort of like Nick and Blatche are now? Abe traded Rasheed too. Webber and Wallace's story did not end with their last season in Washington at about the age of 22. Blatche has a reasonable contract so it is low-risk/high reward and Washington don't need him to start right now. Webber was starting for the Bullets.

What is the FUTURE cap ramifications of trading Blatche and Mike James for David Lee?

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 15, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

"It's unrealistic to expect every player to be a highly motivated self starter."

It's not unrealistic to expect someone who's being paid to do a job and has been on the payroll for 4 years to have some clue what his job is and how to do it without still walking around waiting for someone to show him, step-by-step. Like they used to say when I was a kid: If you don't know, you better ask somebody.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 15, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

p1f: "Didn't we just trade away a 7-foot international with a euro-big-man's game?"

We did indeed, so it's good that Oberto isn't a European big man, huh?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 14, 2009 12:04 PM


I know. I never called him a European big-man. You may want to re-read the quote from me that you posted...huh?

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"It's unrealistic to expect every player to be a highly motivated self starter."

It's not unrealistic to expect someone who's being paid to do a job and has been on the payroll for 4 years to have some clue what his job is and how to do it without still walking around waiting for someone to show him, step-by-step. Like they used to say when I was a kid: If you don't know, you better ask somebody.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 15, 2009 12:22 PM

Gotta agree with Kal on this one.

If you want someone to baby and nurture you through the basics, then go to college and give yourself time to develop/mature into a professional.

When you go pro and take millions from someone else, it's pretty cruddy to turn around and complain that they aren't taking proper care of you.

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

G-Man11
I am glad my employers were not done with me at 22. I did things much worse than anything Blatche has done.
Me too.
But about the time that I caught on I still had 25 years to turn it around.
These guys don't have that much time left to their careers so they need to grow up much faster than you & I did.

Posted by: VBFan | July 15, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Agree 100% with Kal and p1funk. He's had an excellent role model in Jamison who has tried to push him to be more consistent. If you listen to Jamison's comments, he's supportive of Blatche but skeptical as well. Blatche has yet to show the maturity of a pro in any way, shape, or form. I'll be surprised if his better relationship with Flip translates to his performance on the court or maturity off of it.

Under Taps, Blatche had a great 1st game and then said the same things about being given another chance to make his mark. Last year Blatche needed to step up with all of the injuries and was inconsistent at best. I'd be just as happy for him to have a great summer/training camp and then for the Wiz to trade him along with James for a veteran 4/5 bigman who we know will produce and be a defensive presence.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 15, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

""G-Man11
I am glad my employers were not done with me at 22. I did things much worse than anything Blatche has done.""

-got duped by some women and shot in the chest at a club

-mismanaged money and had to sleep at Verizon Center b/c of rent issues

-arrested for solicitation and went to John School

...G-Man 11, what kind of stuff were you into???

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

When you go pro and take millions from someone else, it's pretty cruddy to turn around and complain that they aren't taking proper care of you.

Posted by: p1funk

I wish someone would give me a million$$ Don't hate on him because of what society of basketball has created.

some people are just not prepared for college academically. Making somebody go to college who has learned well below college levels allows the colleges to exploit them. one of the reason more kids turned pro straight out of high school in the first place is because they were uneducated at the high-school level. Now you got the one-and-doners. Dexter Manley went 4 years to college and didn't know how to read. More non-basketball skilled people out their would only hope for a college to pimp itself like that.

Was Blatche college material? I don't know. He needs to be treated like everybody else, like a man. Then he will grow up.

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 15, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Sorry not impressed by summer league play based on stats... unfortunately can not see the game live but from the reports and stats... looks like we did not accomplished much... box score's indicated that Young N Blatched carried this team... as expected we know they can score... but the other team shoot over 45% from the field we did not have alot steals, creat alot of turnovers, nor did we block an ample amount of shoots, and based on the score 96 - 93 looks like a team with far more advanced players with NBA game time experience struggled against a team with players I dont even know if they got more than 1O minutes all years with the Cavs... I want double digit wins with the opposing team barely hitting 40% of there shots, steals, blocks, and holding the opponent to under 80 points... until then... I will not be impressed... dont get me wrong its good to see Blatche and Young dominate offensively againts lesser competition but that was expected I want all the other attributes to follow with other players contributing as well i.e McGuire, McGee and JC... JC put out 8 assist so that was good... but I want more cause I expect more... lets see what happens next game... new system new coach so I am not down on them one bit just expect more out of guys(Young, Blatche, McGuire, McGee, and JC) who lasy year acheive alot more significant game time experience than there oppositions ... improvement as a whole, not just offensively but defensively is what I am looking for... seriously we have 5 guys who either starter last year or played atleast 15 minutes a game for almost a full season... looking at the other Vegas Summer league rosters each team has 1 maybe 2 players with that type of experience...

Posted by: DaGuru | July 15, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

G-Man11, you are missing my point. I'm not hating on him b/c he went pro and took millions. And I've got no beef with anyone using their skills/talents to find a paycheck. In fact, I don't think the mandatory 1-year out of high school rule is very fair. If you are 18 and can make a living, and there is a market for your skills, then you should have a right to do it.

My beef is this: If you are going to go that route, and take the millions, don't turn around and complain about how people treat you like a pro and not like a kid. If you want the kiddie treatment, then stay out of the pros. If you want the cash, then take it...but at least man-up and deal with the realities of that life-track without complaining about how a pro coach treats you like a pro player...

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

-got duped by some women and shot in the chest at a club

p1funk

see that is the problem. I guess you blame him for pulling the trigger. Blatche ain't no different than a lot of young boys. You blame Sean Taylor too?

I understand that Blatche needs to imrove, but I am not one to believe the the Wiz are shooting for the whole thing this year. They are building for a 5 year window, not a 1-2 year window. This is when Antawn will be phased out and Blatche phased in, hopefully.

As for me, what did I do that was worse than Blatche, it ain't nothing to be proud of, but outside of murder, rape, and solicitation of a prostitute, everything else I did, not because I was a major criminal or anything, but young and dumb. But, my employers saw my potential and I woke up. Now those same employers are reaping the benefits.

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 15, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

"Was Blatche college material? I don't know. He needs to be treated like everybody else, like a man."

Exactly. And I'm pretty sure that the other men on the team aren't still standing around waiting for someone to tell them which side of the hoop they're supposed to put the ball through.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 15, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

wanting the kiddie treatment is a creation of the society of basketball or professional athletics created. The bottom line is when he was drafted and re-signed, he was an investment. Sometimes you have to sell your stock, sometimes you let it ride. If he was making top NBA $, I would say get rid of him, but since his contract is reasonable, keep him.

Everybody said that the prior regime didn't develop its younger players. Was that true or not? Let Flip try.

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 15, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Here is another obviously talented player Washington got rid of and regretted...Rip for Stackhouse.

Would I want David Lee, yes! But how much you gonna have to pay him and will he put the wizards to the top? I don't think so.

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 15, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"Everybody said that the prior regime didn't develop its younger players."

No, everybody didn't say that.

Some said that some of the younger players failed to develop because they failed to take the initiative to put in the work to get better (while others, like McGuire and Crittenton did and still are). It's was clear then and remains clear now which category Blatche falls into.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 15, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

McGuire did on his own. I ain't sure if Eddie Jordan did anything. Crittendon hasn't been here long enough to say it was Washington or any of his other NBA stops. Neither has the potential of Blatche.

By the way, yes I hate that Blatche finishes with finger rolls that get blocked and that he is inconsistent and his mid-range jumper aint money, but the money is right, just like Haywood. Washington is getting sweet deals on both contractually.

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 15, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz notoriously suk at nurturing and developing young talent. Until they prove to me that they can take a young player and grow him into a contributing vet, I'm giving ALL WIZ youngsters the benefit of the doubt.
It's no secret that EJ mishandled young players as well as some vets (BTH). Tap mishandled the entire roster. When is the last time we took a young player (21 or less) and 5 years later he was productively playing FOR US besides Gil? Juwan?
Until I see a success story, I'm not putting it all on the players. AB is not blameless but a young Dwight Howard might have floundered for 3 years under Jordan and Tap.

Posted by: original_mark | July 15, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

The most important thing about his comments is... he feels comfortable and feels he has a good relationship with the coach... whether thats his excuse for his slow development in the past years or not... its a good thing none the less... lets just hope he doesnt come up with another excuse if this year is not much different than last years performance... though young minded (he is only 22)... he seems to be saying the right things going forward... though dissappointing looking back...

Posted by: DaGuru | July 15, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I agree on David Lee. Lee is going to cost at least 8 million per. Blatche is only 22. Has improved every season (slowly) has a reasonable contract and is very skilled. He just needs to put the mental part together. Who ever really figures the game out at 22? What age did Kobe figure it out? KG? And those are HOF talents (Blatche is not)

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 15, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

p1funk: "I never called him a European big-man. You may want to re-read the quote from me that you posted...huh?Posted by: p1funk"

And what I said wasn't a criticism. He doesn't actually have a Euro big man's game, in the way I think of it, at least. He's not a jump shooter and he doesn't ride out to the 3 point line. Gets most of his points on putbacks and is known for 'grabby' defense on opposing big men.

To me, Oly Pecherov is a more typical Euro big man.

You know, now that you mention it, the South American players --- Ginobili, Nocioni, Oberto -- seem to play a more inside-oriented style than the Euros.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 15, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

The only thing we can do to guarantee that AB has a good year is trade him away to the Pistons or some other team for some garbage. That'll seal the deal.

Posted by: original_mark | July 15, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

DaGuru

picking up on what you said, some people will make some people not want to give you your best. Will Flip be a coach that makes Blatche give him his best? At least the signs are pointing in the right direction.

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 15, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"I hate that Blatche finishes with finger rolls that get blocked and that he is inconsistent and his mid-range jumper aint money"

Mostly what bothers me about Blatche is the turnovers. I hadn't realized how often he was booting the ball away (literally, on some occasions). He has good hands and passes well so I'm not exactly sure where the TOs are coming from -- I confess I wasn't paying close attention.

Not referring to the 7 TOs yesterday, I don't pay any attention to Summer League mistakes (that's when you should be making them). But somebody pointed out that last season he averaged the same number of TOs as assists, in 24 minutes a game. I don't know if that's as disturbing as it sounds, but it can't be good.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 15, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Kalorama explains the less-than-amazing development of our younger players over the last few years by saying they needed to follow this advice: "if you don't know you better ask somebody."

That is obscenely stupid. EJ's job was TO WIN BASKETBALL GAMES, not teach Brendan Haywood manners, stroke DeShawn's veteran ego, or let straight-out-of-highschool kids figure out the NBA for themselves. If his players didn't know something, it was EJ's job to fill them in--not leave them in the dark as some sort of misguided veterans-know-best man-building excercise.

Fact of the matter is that these players are enormously expensive assets, and if a little guidance and yes, even "hand holding" helps get the maximum performance out of the players, then that's what needs to happen. Personally I could care less if Blatche self-motivates to greatness or is coached there by someone who can get in his head and help motivate him.

Standing on curmudgeonly old-man pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps ceremony doesn't win basketball games. Maybe trust, positive motivation, good relationships, and buy-in from ALL players (not just veterans) will help put this team back on track.

Posted by: Plix | July 15, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Mostly what bothers me about Blatche is the turnovers.

Samson151

Webber was like that too at that age. Just don't give up on Blatche.

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 15, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"McGuire did on his own. "

Exactly. He didn't stand in the corner waiting for someone to come over, take him by the hand, and lead him onto the dance floor. He took the initiative to get better by putting in the work without being led around by the nose. So did Crittenton (by all accounts and indications). Blatche is still waiting around for things to be handed to him on a silver platter.

"Neither has the potential of Blatche. "

Which makes his continuing failure to take any responsibility for developing that potential even more disappointing. As others have pointed out, this isn't the first time he's given preseason lip service to a new start. It's pretty much become his annual offseason ritual.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 15, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Plix, I second every word! Coaches should coach...and that means all of the players, not just the vets who are getting most of the pt.

Posted by: original_mark | July 15, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"That is obscenely stupid. EJ's job was TO WIN BASKETBALL GAMES, not teach Brendan Haywood manners, stroke DeShawn's veteran ego, or let straight-out-of-highschool kids figure out the NBA for themselves."

The only thing that is obscenely stupid is your obscene stupidity.

That being said, you did get one thing right (but even a broken clock is right at least twice a day (or only once if it's digital with an AM/PM indicator)). It was Eddie Jordan's job to win games. And he did that job by not pandering to the egos and insecurities of noted sulkers and pouters and underachievers with their hands out, but rather by giving minutes to guys who actually showed up ready and willing to play.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 15, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Every year has seen improvement or at least consistency in his numbers almost across the board. Look at his production per 36 minutes and it'll be clear.
AB is not the problem. Look elsewhere.

Posted by: original_mark | July 15, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Eddie pandered to most of the veterans. He gave max minutes to guys despite an indifference to defense.
BTH showed up ready and willing to play but still had to put up with EJ's partiality. Who knows? Had BTH been given the job outright a few years ago, his improvement might have been accelerated and it could have made a playoff difference. We DID lose a bunch of one point games to Cleveland. No way to tell but it is possible.

Posted by: original_mark | July 15, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"Coaches should coach...and that means all of the players, "

Agreed. But there's a big difference between coaching and base level remedial education.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 15, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

kalo-rama

I understand the frustration. Just like Chicago is probably frustrated with Tyrus Thomas. But, when Blatche was a 2nd round pick out of high-school, then got shot(which hurt his slow progress) what did you think we were getting? It was assumed that you were going to have to be patient. He is 22. Just because you in a mans game don't make you are a man. We call 18 year olds "young men", when actuality, you are an "old boy". That what Blatche was or is, an old boy. Is he getting further away from the old boy phase and closer to the man phase, I don't know. I do know that society will give up on old boys quick. We all wake up sooner or later, I am one to hope that when Blatche wakes up, he is a wizard.

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 15, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

But there's a big difference between coaching and base level remedial education.

That's where we disagree. If the front office is going to draft young players, they need to be given the most basic of training.
For the sake of this discussion, I looked up the word 'remedial' online.
1. affording remedy; tending to remedy something.
2. intended to correct or improve one's skill in a specified field: remedial math.

Synonyms:
corrective.

This sounds EXACTLY like what young players need to me.

Posted by: original_mark | July 15, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

For those who are critizing Blatche's comments, you are wearing a big banner around your pen that says: "I don't know who to manage people".

As Flip said elsewhere, his job is to get the most out of each player in their assigned role. That requires different treatment for each player based on their personality. It also requires the coach to get the buy-in of each player. These things don't happen automatically. It takes skill to manage (in addition to having a good plan of attack).

There are reasons for EJ's record and Flip's record. They are playing out in front of your eyes. Watch and learn.

Posted by: Izman | July 15, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"Look at his production per 36 minutes and it'll be clear."

Given that he's never come close to averaging 36 minutes, I fail to see where that matters. The only thing that matters is what he does with the time he actually plays. And on that score he has fallen short. Moreover, consistency isn't just measured in numbers. it's measured in doing the right things on a regular basis on the floor. Blatche has not done that (unless you count consistently making the same boneheaded mistakes).

"Eddie pandered to most of the veterans. He gave max minutes to guys despite an indifference to defense. "

If he refused to play guys who didn't defend, he couldn't field a team. And given Blatche's defensive nonpresence, I fail to see how that argument really works in his favor anyway. Like I said, he played the guys who showed up ready to play. Blatche was frequently not one of those guys.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 15, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Blatche, Young and McGuire should NOT be playing in summer league. They have enough regular season playing time under their belts. This summer should be about developing McGee and Crittenton, and seeing if Heytfelt deserves a roster spot.

Also, keep your comments short people - nobody reads the blah, blah, blah.

Posted by: travisloop | July 15, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"It was assumed that you were going to have to be patient."

In the NBA (and pro sports in general) where players careers aren't very long and coaches and GMs careers are even shorter, 4 years is an eternity.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 15, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Given that he's never come close to averaging 36 minutes, I fail to see where that matters.

Uhhh. It's the best way to get the ratio. Per X minutes is the best way to compare seasons wherein players play different amounts of minutes.

Posted by: original_mark | July 15, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"Eddie pandered to most of the veterans. He gave max minutes to guys despite an indifference to defense."

I don't know if you can call that pandering; he was just trying to win. As was Tapscott and now Saunders. Maybe he was wrong, maybe not. All coaches seem to take heavy criticism, even guys like Phil Jackson and Greg Popovich. It's the rare coach who doesn't wind up with tire tracks on his best suit.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 15, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I fail to see how that argument really works in his favor anyway

It doesn't work in his favor necessarily. But you could make the same argument about the lack of defense about vets who are much more celebrated on this blog.

If we're criticizing Ab for lack of d, we should do it across the board. If you criticize for turnovers, look at CB. If you criticize for softness on the boards, BTH is no beast. Blocked shots, where are AJ's?
Ab is young and once he gets an established role, I believe that he will prove naysayers wrong.
Fingers crossed.

Posted by: original_mark | July 15, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

how many years do you give him? He basically had 3 years. He is a backup, not a starter. Do we need him, yes. Will he play a pivotal role? yes. Has he improved yearly, yes.

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 15, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"But you could make the same argument about the lack of defense about vets who are much more celebrated on this blog. "

Which, again, is irrelevant to the discussion of Blatche, because Blatche's issues aren't just at the defensive end. They're all over the court (and off of it).

"If we're criticizing Ab for lack of d, we should do it across the board."

And tell me, where was I criticizing him specifically for defense? Oh wait, I wasn't. I was criticizing him for his lax effort and failure to take responsibility/initiative for his own improvement as a player. That's about way more than defense.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 15, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"He is a backup, not a starter. "

But most would agree he has starter-talent potential. It's his failure to realize that potential that has kept him nailed to the bench, even in situations when there was an opportunity for him to do more.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 15, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

This year is the key for Blatche...like I have posted before...it took Jermain oneal til his 5th year to really be a star quality player. Portland ditched him because they were tired of waiting and Indiana got the benefit.

Tracy Mcgrady took until halfway through his fourth season to break out. Even Kobe and Garnett (who both played far better than Blatche did his first couple of seasons) took until their third year to really put an impact on their teams. At this point I'd be happy if Blatche played like garnett's 2nd season.

If he can take this year to play consistent ball, play some D and go to the rack a little stronger...we have ourselves a steal.

I hope McGee comes up big this year, but I will give him until next year to have his breakthrough.


Posted by: Blurred | July 15, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

He is a backup, not a starter. I was meaing and have said earlier, that when Antawn slows down, hopefully he will be ready to start. Right now, let him be more consistent and show growth. Don't get rid of him as a throw-in, that's all I'm saying.

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 15, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"One source indicated the Clippers' ongoing efforts to trade Chris Kaman were tangentially impacting their plans, and a second source said Los Angeles"...ESPN

I don't see what Mike James & D Steve are not being offered...Kayman & Heyvelt can round out the front court, un-clog the back court, and provide a much need physical presence. Thoughts?

Posted by: Gooddad | July 15, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't see what Mike James & D Steve are not being offered...Kayman & Heyvelt can round out the front court, un-clog the back court, and provide a much need physical presence. Thoughts?

I don't understand why people always say what isn't being done because they haven't read it in a paper. Nobody knew we were discussing Foye and Miller for #5. Nobody knew we were talking with Oberto before the report of the offer came out.

Secondly, why does everybody think people are giving up players for our trash?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 15, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

LOL.... SDMDTSU... You are right on... but I, like others are anxious... waiting to here a rumor or something just to be entertained of the thought of the wizards making some move at getting a viable back up back court player... I know it will take time and for me I am just looking for the entertainment of hearing a rumor or two... I am pretty content with the team we have and finding a spot duty 10 - 15 minute back court vet. back up like Oberto... but the thought of getting more knowing we do have some assest (young talent, exp. contracts, etc.) to do so has some of fishing our thoughts...

Posted by: DaGuru | July 15, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Guru...I love a rumor as much as the next man...but I'm not going to bash the team because I DON'T hear one. I also love hearing the ridiculous trade proposal people come up with where we completely rape other teams.

Mike James and Etan Thomas for Kobe!
It's 2 expiring contracts!

geez.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 15, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Has EG called Tim Thomas yet??? He's just what the Wiz need...

Judging from McGee's performance last night, he will again be a non-factor for the Wiz this year. The "old-boy" still doesnt have a clue on the court.

Posted by: oddjob2 | July 15, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"Blatche said he came to Summer League mostly because he wanted to work on his conditioning, but he added that Gilbert Arenas gave him a nudge.
'Gilbert gave me a call and said he was gonna participate in it,' Blatche said. 'He said it would be good for us, so we can get an early head start on the offense.'"

Despite Blatche's serial misadventures through his early Wiz career and his inability to identify and fulfill his crucial role as a low post player, I've had hopes that he would eventually find his way but I'm starting to have doubts about Blatche; and not just regarding his b-ball IQ.

As to his comments about feeling liberated with a new coach, hardly worth a comment. Much more relevant are actions, what he does on the court. Showing up for summer league was a plus, showing up because he thought Gilbert was going to participate makes it a wash at best.

Posted by: midlevex | July 15, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"Secondly, why does everybody think people are giving up players for our trash?"

Because that's what fans do.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 15, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"Right now, let him be more consistent and show growth."

It's not a case of letting him be more consistent. I'm pretty sure no one in the Wizards organization is actively looking to prevent that. The issue is whether he's willing to do what's necessary in terms or effort and work to become more consistent and grow. So far he has failed to do that (although he certainly talks a ggood game before the season starts).

"Don't get rid of him as a throw-in, that's all I'm saying. "

I'm fairly certain I never suggest, implied, or hinted that they should do any such thing.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 15, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Kamen's a talented player but between his injury issues and salary/contract, trading for him isn't really feasible. He's too good and too expensive to be a backup, and we all know how well Haywood responds to being benched.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 15, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I think part of the issue at hand here is what 'coaching' is. Is it to just field the best team possible and give them plays and direction? Or is it also to help individual players improve on their game in order to help the team overall? I would say it's both. In college and high school, it's also a lot about managing the player's lives, to a certain degree. I think it's less so that in the pros.

So if a coach is supposed to coach the team, and help players improve, then I see nothing wrong with Blatche claiming that this new coaching staff does a better job of coaching young players than the previous one. Players are individuals with different needs. Some are gym rats like Arenas. Some are well trained from college, like Jamison. Some fit needed roles quickly, like McGuire. Some maybe need positive reinforcement and consistency in guidance and playing time, like Haywood and Blatche. It's not like Blatche was the only player to have perceived issues with EJ's coaching style. Haywood clearly did. Arenas at times did, though not much.

One of the most successful coaches out there, Phil Jackson, is known as being a great motivator and communicator by changing his approach for different players. If you have a coach that isn't like that, then management needs to only give him players that we can properly work with. I don't think the Wizards did a very good job of that with EJ.

Flip might be a better coach for someone like Blatche. Doesn't mean EJ was a bad coach overall, but certainly not the best coach for players like Haywood and Blatche.

Still though, I think a coach is somewhat like a manager or supervisor for a regular company. Yes, you want employees that improve on their own, without any help, but most companies offer ways to help them improve, and a good manager is known to help as well. A manager that just says, do it right, and figure it out on your own, is usually considered a not-so-great manager. Shouldn't that be the same for a coach?

Posted by: segastyle | July 15, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Thinking about it...bringing in Kaman and letting Haywood wouldn't be too bad. Kaman has 2 years left on a contract at about what I'm sure Haywood is going to want on his new contract anyway...just a thought.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 15, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

kalo_rama,

Being abrasive and condescending is apparently your thing, so I can see why you're so enthralled with EJ's coaching style.

It might suprise you to know, however, that acting like a condescending jerk doesn't usually inspire loyalty or respect.

Thankfully, Saunders appears to understand people and is willing to do what it takes to inspire and lead his players. You and Archie Bunker call this "hand-holding"; the rest of us call it "good coaching".

Posted by: Plix | July 15, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I kinda agree with Kal...
Some players have the inner drive to be the best. Some of these players are in the NBA for the lifestyle. Arenas, I think works so hard because he wants to be the best. Andray Blatche seems like the type that wants to oull the I'm in the NBA card at the club. The article on McGuire said it all. He saw he had to see it like a job and did what he had to do. No coach can make a player want to be the best...just my opinion...

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 15, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Is this a conversation about adopting Blatche? Letting him marry your sister? Raise your kids? No? Then who cares if he's lazy. Just coach him up, send him a text message, tell him where to go and what to eat, pat him on the back and tell him "good job fella" ...

Just get something out of him on the floor so we can get out of the the damn first round.

Posted by: jimwest20 | July 15, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I don't recall Blatche's making similar comments last year when ETap took over. But it sounds real good that Flip is texting and getting close with his players. Blatche IS still young, and I think this will help. Hand holding? I don't care. As others have said, it sounds like coaching, like remediating. It sounds like it will be EFFECTIVE.

Posted by: 7snider7 | July 15, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Blatche & Young are BIG inve$tments for this organization. The Wizzies have a position titled "Player Development". This person needs to hand hold,take under the wing and babysit. These are kids that never had to take care of themselves. Basketball is all they know. They were stars in high school. They were used to getting everything the easy way. Now they are expected to act like adults. Be work oriented, do what they are told, take care of their body, manage their money, don't pick up hos -----basics to most "Normal" 20 year olds. The Wizzies need to take care of their inve$tment. Someone needs to get them to live up to their potential. Benching them just prove a coaches point and show other players who is the boss doesn't work for kids that have been coddled all their lives.

Posted by: VBFan | July 15, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I know, I know, it's been said: not keeping Blair was unwise.

He does some dirty work. Other than Haywood, who on this team does that?

Posted by: SteveMG | July 15, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

These kids are not normal 20 year olds. When i was 20 I was expected to support my whole family. These kids are looked at like powerball tickets from 13 on up by their families. Dealing with that pressure and trying to find your way as a young adult is not easy. Let's not give up on the young players too soon. I know I am like a broken record but Nick Young is a future allstar I just hope it will be here with the Wizards. I like the fact that they are showing him how to get easier shots because he is similar to JR Smith in Denver but he is not just a jump shooter he can take it to the basket as he did when he dunked on Lebron.

Posted by: anacostia85 | July 15, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

As for bringing in a center like Kaman it won't work with Haywood as Kal and others say. If we can't get someone that Haywood KNOWS is better than him he will pout. Perhaps we should look to deal Haywood for a center as that could solve that problem as well not having to worry about resigning him.

Posted by: anacostia85 | July 15, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Plix ,

That's some pretty high-falutin', self-righteous talk coming from a guy who opened his very first post here by calling someone who had never said word one (good, bad, or otherwise) to or about him "obscenely stupid." In other words, you're a mealy-mouthed hypocrite who has no claim to any real estate on the moral high ground and certainly has no business snidely calling other people condescending jerks when you blow through the door acting like an ass from jump street.

Feel free to go f@#k yourself.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 15, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

"If we can't get someone that Haywood KNOWS is better than him he will pout."

I'm pretty sure he'll pout regardless.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 15, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I say we go after Ben Wallace, He could be a cheap option for us defensively.

Posted by: silvermarvin | July 15, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Ben Wallace has anything left.

Posted by: anacostia85 | July 15, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

• Before Orlando matched the offer sheet to Gortat, Dallas was aggressively shopping newly acquired Kris Humphries in search of another guard. And I'm told that hasn't changed in spite of the Mavericks' sudden need for size after losing Bass and missing out on Gortat.

He is definitely no allstar but he is physical and at 6'9 235 he would give us some size. I wonder if Dallas would take James or Deshawn for him.

Posted by: anacostia85 | July 15, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Kalo_rama,

Allow me to split hairs and point out that I referred to your comment as "obscenely stupid"--I never said anything about you personally. For all I know you're MENSA chapter president who just doesn't happen to know f*&k-all about how to effectively manage people.

Also, since you seem interested in staking out high ground, telling someone to "go f*&k themselves" is pretty much the wrong way to go about it. Most self-motivated know-it-alls figure that out pretty early on, but there's always the thin-skinned pouty types who need a little guidance. You're welcome, but, no, I won't be sending you any encouraging text messages.

Posted by: Plix | July 15, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Blatche's comments sound like the typical blather you hear from people looking to pin responsibility for their shortcomings on other people. He sounds like someone looking to have his hand held and be babied through every step on the road.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 15, 2009 10:39 AM
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Maybe maybe not. First, I fail to see where Blatche has been a failure based on being a 18 second round HS player. Second, he is still 22 years old. Lord knows what I would have done with that money and time at that age. Granted some of the criticisms of him are well founded and have been talked about ad naseum. What I take away from this is, perhaps, is more evidence that EJ was not the right coach for this team. I mean EJ has a career winning % of 44% for a reason. I am sensing more respect for Saunders across the board. Time will tell I suppose.

For instance, I'm sure EJ tried to get through to NY and change his silly school boy approach much like Saunders and Cassell are doing now. The difference will be can they actually make it happen whether it takes some coddling or stern professionalism I don't care. In Saunder's I trust, thus far!

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 15, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Kris Humphries at 6.4mil over two years is the kind of contract the Wizards should be avoiding. And with Jamison, Blatche, and now McGee eating up the PF minutes it doesn't look they really need another guy at that position. Maybe he would be better at C than what's left on the free agent market though.

Did everyone else know that Theo Ratliff played in 46 games last year? That dude is old.

Posted by: djnnnou | July 15, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

I think 85% of you dont even like the Wizards. This isnt a video game. Size and weight doesnt automatically mean a player will put up xyz. These are people, not metrics. Blatche basically said "hey i like Saunders, he takes time to talk to me and encourage me" and some of you slam him. Please just find a new team haters.

Posted by: Chocolate_City | July 15, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

"For instance, I'm sure EJ tried to get through to NY and change his silly school boy approach much like Saunders and Cassell are doing now. The difference will be can they actually make it happen whether it takes some coddling or stern professionalism I don't care. In Saunder's I trust, thus far!
Posted by: rphilli721"

I think when players 'turn a corner' and become professionals, it's not so much because of one coach or another but a result of an accumulation of experiences -- all of a sudden, they 'get it'. What they 'get' may be something they've been told a hundred times by a hundred different people, but somehow it didn't click.

Maybe it's like the story, possibly apocryphal, about Phil Jackson telling Michael Jackson during a game that he'd never win a title until he stopped trying to do everything by himself. Obviously that's a lesson Jordan had already learned under Dean Smith, but somehow it got lost in translation to the pros. Jackson was just telling Jordan something he already knew, but for some reason, Jordan heard it that time. Ahd changed his game accordingly.

We fanz tend to give coaches too much credit and too much blame for the performance of our teams. As young as they are, these guys have been playing the game since they were tots, and because of their talent, usually got the best coaching available. And it still takes several seasons in the pros for most of them to blossom -- if at all. So IMO, it's about how people learn, not just how they're taught.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 15, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

'scuse me, that was Michael Jordan. Michael Jackson was too short to play.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 15, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Samson151
Maybe Phil cudda got thru to Mike Jackson too. Maybe they were related.
Who knows????

Posted by: VBFan | July 15, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Agree 100% with Kal and p1funk.

And I disagree with the aforesaid 100%. The comment about Blatche is nothing but a cheapshot.

Blatche was a green nose snotty rookie with talent that did not know his way. What good organization/coach would not have recognized this from jumpstreet and took Blatche from the very beginning and rounded his butt on the proper path.

And don't tell me that good organizations/coaches don't do this with there young assets. NBA teams have been doing this forever and they still do.

It is unfortunate that this Wizard organization did not choose to do this with Blatche, but rather let him fumble his own way.

Blatche is still a young plant, and you must nurture a young plant and if you fail to do so it might die.

But, to Blatche's credit he has not died and he will not with the Wisdom now of Flip Saunders.

Eddie Jordan had no use or time for developing talent and no one else in the organization was either, including Jamison.

You guys that keep crapping on the young players for being young, I wonder if you guys had any wise council in your young immature days. For, it is wise council that pull us all through our young immateurish days.

Blatche has Proper Player Development in place now and Kalo_rama, P1funk, yawl ought to know better.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 15, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

"We've got a new coaching staff, we changed a lot, so it's time for me to change my whole style, my whole mentality," Blatche said Wednesday afternoon. "I'm wearing 7, and that means seven days [a week] of hard work, seven days of being focused. I'm all about business, and I've got a big opportunity I'm gonna take advantage of."


Nice

Posted by: anacostia85 | July 15, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe maybe not. First, I fail to see where Blatche has been a failure based on being a 18 second round HS player."

I didn't say he's been "a failure" per se. In fact I have in the past, more than once, pointed out his improvement as a player in response to those who claim that young talent doesn't develop on the Wizards.

That being said, he has failed to take real initiative in maximizing his talent. Given his talent level, after 4 years in the NBA he should be further along than he is. And the fact that, after 4 years, he's still talking about how he's looking forward to someone showing him the ropes is indication that taking initiative is not something he has any particular affinity for. And people with no initiative almost never reach their potential.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 15, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

""Maybe maybe not. First, I fail to see where Blatche has been a failure based on being a 18 second round HS player.""

To follow up, Blatche's draft position isn't at all relevant to my point, if for no other reason than because bringing it up implies that, because of his draft position,

(A) he somehow can't be expected to succeed beyond a certain level; however, the success of many, many second round picks who achieved more than guys drafted well ahead of them (Arenas, for one) belies that pretty easily; and

(B) as a second round pick, it's okay for him to be unmotivated and lack initiative. Not only is that not true, it goes directly against the evidence. Most second round picks who succeed in the NBA do so because they understand that their lower draft status means they have to work even harder to prove that people were wrong about them and that they're better than their draft position. Have we seen that kind of motivation from Blatche? I don't think so. Without that motivation or initiative, ti doesn't matter who his coach is or how much face time he gets in practice. In order to fulfill his talent, he needs to do more than stand around and wait for someone to tell him what to do. If that's all he does, he'll only ever be as good as a coach can make him. And that's never going to be as good as he could be if he takes the reins himself.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 15, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Kalo_rama, do you know there is a ton of people in this world that don't what initiative is until you explain it to them and show them what it is.

LarryInClintonMD.

I think Flip Saunders is letting Andre Blatche know exactly what initiative is.

Appratently, Blatche was devoid of initiative under Jordan and Tapscott. Lets see if he shows any under Saunders.

My bet is he will. Whada' Yawl' Thank.'

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | July 15, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know where online I can watch the game?

Posted by: WaynefromBowie | July 15, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Wiz trail denver 19-14 nick has 10 of the 14 on 5-7 shooting.

Posted by: anacostia85 | July 15, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

sorry i meant 4 of 8 shooting for nick

Posted by: anacostia85 | July 15, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

29-23 nuggets lead the wiz in the 2nd quarter

Nick leads the wiz with 10 blatche has 8

Posted by: anacostia85 | July 15, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Appreciate the updates anacostia85

Posted by: babbtong | July 15, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

well it is half time and the wiz have taken the lead 40-39

sonny weems leads the nuggets with 12 points and 8 rebounds ty lawson has 7 points and 1 assist in support. The new and improved Blatche has 19 points and 6 rebounds with 2 turnovers Nick Young has 10 points and 2 rebounds mcgee has 4 points and 3 blocked shots

Posted by: anacostia85 | July 15, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

crit is not playing tonite i don't know why Rice is at point with 3 points and 2 assists

Posted by: anacostia85 | July 15, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

58-52 nuggets with about 1 minute left in the 3rd. weems leads the nuggets with 15 points and 11 rebounds, Ronald Dupree has 10 and Lawson has 7 points and 4 assists

Blatche leads the wiz with 21 points and 8 boards Nick has 13 he has only taken 2 shots since the 1st quarter the nuggets are paying attention to him Mcgee has 8 points and 5 blocks but he and mcguire are a combined 3-14 from the floor

Posted by: anacostia85 | July 15, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

66-57 nuggets lead they open the 4th with a 5-0 run.

Posted by: anacostia85 | July 16, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Wiz fall 77-70. Blatche led with 27 pts 15 rebs 3 assists nick young had 17 mcgee had 12 pts 5 blocks and 8 rebs they were sunk by the combine shooting of mcgee and mcguire which was 4-19. Mcgee did shoot 6-6 from the charity stripe though. I think you really don't give yourself a chance to win when you don't put a pg on the floor. On another note I see that Blair debuted the other night with 13 points and 10 rebs hmmm

Posted by: anacostia85 | July 16, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

David Thorpe's tweets tonight.

"Nick Young looking sharp."

"His 3 ball looks great. Balanced and locked in."

"Blatche has filled out. But it's natural, not unnatural. Unnatural is better, because it means he'd be bigger and tighter. He's just bigger."

"Blatche. Odom. Thomas(tyrus and tim). Smith(Josh). Clark. Very similar guys. Too talented for their own good."

"Blatche can still end up being a difference maker. I'm impressed he's here."

"Blatche and Young best players on floor. No surprise. Thorpe out. Back tomorrow."

Posted by: psps23 | July 16, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Andray Blatche continues to be one of the most confounding talents in the league. He flashed moments of sheer dominance Wednesday night with swift, whirling post moves off good recognition that made his defenders look silly. At other times, he tried to improvise and failed spectacularly. Blatche could be a top-shelf talent, but his preference for raw instinct over tactical strategy on a given play renders him inconsistent. He needs a plan. Still, between the potent face-up game at the top of the key, and the fancy footwork and explosiveness down low, it's hard to take your eyes off him. Let's see how he fares this season against NBA talent.

Posted by: anacostia85 | July 16, 2009 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Why is Ab even playing in the summer league? Same for NY? They are CLEARLY above average NBA players (when coached). We need to be looking at a backup big rather than pumping up these veterans' stats.

Posted by: original_mark | July 16, 2009 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Original_Mark

They both probably have been told to work on certain areas of their games. Case-in-point, Flip wants Nick to work on using screens like Rip Hamilton so in the first summer-league game, that seems what the game plan was for him to work on. As you know, Nick has always been an ISO player. This is a big change in his game-style. Nick said that he has never been so exhausted running around all those screens being set for him during his 36 point outburst. That statement reminds me of Hamilton's claim to be in better shape than anybody. You have to be in great shape to be constantly in motion.

Blatche just decided to play even though he doesn't have to. My guess is that he knows he has a bunch of detractors like those here and that he is trying to prove his detractors wrong. Hopefully he does over the long haul. We shall see.

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 16, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Take the two games and put it all together and we have progress... 8 blocks, 8 Steals, cReated 16 TO's, held opponent under 40% shooting.... good defensive effort... unfortunatley we turn the ball over 19 times (no Critton), got out rebounded slightly, and shoot even worst than they did... hmmmmmm... though we lost I think this game was better progress than last game... Defense Defense Defense... the offense will come plus they had no Critton which would of (maybe) led to less turnovers, better shooting percentage (per more transition plays, better shot selections via assist/placement from Critton)... who knows but I like the defensive effort...

Posted by: DaGuru | July 16, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Flip Saunders eluded to the issue with Andray Blatche, and its not his skill set because obviously he is a talented player. He needs to have some structure to his game and find a signature move. Rarely do we see KG, Duncan, Oneal (jermaine) in his prime, Webber running around dribbling trying to cross-over and finger roll layups. He [blatche] needs to have some structure to his game, and before you can play the game of basketball you have to be in "Phenominal Shape" When your not in a great physical shape and your tired on the court, your mind is telling your body that you are tired, And instead of your mind focusing on the game your focusing on catching some wind. You turn the ball over, take a bad shot, dont hustle on getting back in defense, ill advised passes, failing to rebound, not enough energy to jump an inch higher and dunk the ball with authority...
Once Blatche gets the sense of urgency to become better than average and stop thinking ("oh well i have an all star in Jamison ahead of me and I wont be starting anyway") and he starts turning that pencil frame into a warriors body and get in great shape, the rest of his game will come. and he could be a dominant player and a key contributor to the Wizards success. I honestly see him in the mode of a Lamar Odom/Jermaine oneal type player that could have a big impact on the team as well as the league.

He just needs to commit to no donuts,twinkies,smoking J's, Burger King, and commit to living a healthy and hard working life.

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | July 16, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

waaa! waaa! eddie jordan was mean to me!!

no andre, YOU never put in the effort required to take your game to the next level.

I'm all for Flip having a positive, better relationship with the young players...on the assumtion he doesnt coddle them thus making a SOFT player like blatche even softer (mentally)

At the end of the day, there are no excuses AB. none

Posted by: divi3 | July 16, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

He just needs to commit to no donuts,twinkies,smoking J's, Burger King, and commit to living a healthy and hard working life.

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom

Damn! Commit to no donuts, twinkies (overrated), BK, and most importantly, no burnin' j's?

That'll suck.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 16, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, and excuse me if I'm being short-sighted here, but it is an absolute embarrassment that Andray Blatche is still playing f'n summer league -- entering his FIFTH season.

He can talk that "Change the world" sh*t all he wants, but until I see some results on a real court, all his talking is just that - talk.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 16, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

hey man! if he cant do it then just get a job at Dunkin Donuts, and stop giving us false hope of a team that wants to compete for a world title.

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | July 16, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

"no andre, YOU never put in the effort required to take your game to the next level."

And his brilliant coach did an excellent job of letting that be.

That's the type of guy I want managing my players. 'You want to be a better player? Do it yourself. I'll just sit back and draw up plays.'

Shocker that the Wizards have yet to develop one home-grown player into a key member of the squad since EJ's tenure began.

Posted by: psps23 | July 16, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Whether you're a janitor, accountant, doctor or pro basketball player, you need to take pride in your work and give your best effort to reach potential.....Blatche has never put forth maximum effort as evidenced by his poor conditioning. AJ who is 11 years older than Blatche never signals he needs to come out because he's tired. Blatche even admitted (and Flip mentioned it as well) that he's not been in peak physical condition. That's totally unacceptable for a pro who is being payed $3M/year and has team trainers and strength coaches at his disposal.

IMO, the Wiz would be doing themselves a world of good if they could trade Blatche and James as part of a sign and trade to get David Lee from NY assuming he'd come here for $7-8M. Long-term Blatche will never be the answer at PF because he is a finesse player and doesn't have the strength/bulk needed for that position. I wrote off Blatche after last season when he was given the chance to start under Taps and showed little improvement. I've seen nothing from Blatche accept the tired rountine every summer for the last 3 years.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 16, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

given the chance to atart at C not PF

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 16, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

start

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 16, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 16, 2009 10:11 AM

absolutley i agree with your last post. Jamison an 11 year vet is in top notch shape. Playing in 81 games close to 40 minutes each game. And hes about 33 years old. Now Blatche a young man with "fresh legs", should be flying up and down the court. If i got paid 3 million to play basketball and i was 6'11 250??, Jeez louise! i would hire a great trainer, shoot jumpers everyday, eat good/great (no fast food at all) food, run, work on post moves, blocking techniques, rebounding drills. imean the money is enough to make you hungry. and it shouldnt even be enough, i think it starts with the mindset too. If you feel all that you are best at is playing back up pf, instead of wanting to be an all-star, wanting to be an MVP, wanting to be a world champion, wanting to be a HOF then back up pf is where you will always be. and then you wont have to work as hard because you figure your not going to be that good anyway.

hopefully the coaching change will help his mindset and he can become an effective player. for the Washington Wizards, and not the Kings, Pistons, or whoever,

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | July 16, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

i believe that makes you one of those people who doesn't need to be pushed. there are many of us who, at one time or another, have required a swift kick in the ass to get us on track. i know i was on the receiving end several times during my early late teens early 20s. i would have been twice as ignorant if i was rich.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 16, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

"Whether you're a janitor, accountant, doctor or pro basketball player, you need to take pride in your work and give your best effort to reach potential"

And where do you think that ethic comes from? Do you think some people are born with the immediate intention of working harder than others?

Somewhere, somehow, someway, that work ethic is learned. Be it as a youngster that grows up hoping to emulate his parents, a youngster that grows up pushed by his parents, a youngster growing up hoping NOT to emulate his parents, a student that gets inspiration from a teacher, an athlete that models themselves off another athlete, an athlete that makes a connection with a coach, etc. It's never just innate. Environment and atmosphere is always the crucial aspect.

Now, some people are definitely quicker to pick up on it than others. And that doesn't excuse Blatche for his consistent inconsistencies.

But...EJ seemed to hardly do anything to help the cause. And it wasn't just with Blatche either. It seemed to happen as a pattern. Players essentially did what they wanted, and however they turned out, EJ would use them accordingly. Truly "a veteran's coach." Nothing about him seemed proactive in the development of his players. Kwame, Blatche, Young all exhibited the same patterns. Even Arenas had free reign to do what he pleased as he attempted returns from injury.

EJ loved to coach in the moment. He was truly an "I'm only worrying about the next game" kind of guy. Whatever players I have for that game, I'll do my best to win with them. Well, sometimes there needs to be a little vision beyond that. Sometimes, you have to say "this guy could be special for us," then go a little out of your way to help make that happen. Flip seems to be doing it with both Young and Blatche. EJ, as far as I can recall, never really did.

Posted by: psps23 | July 16, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

EJ never had that confidence in AB. Remember when Gil said EJ took him to the playoffs to watch J Kidd play? He said they went so that Gil could watch a great pg play and EJ could show Gil the type of player he needed him to be. He did that b/c Gil was/is obviously special and a huge part of the team. Maybe EJ never made such a gesture to Blatch b/c he didn't see him the same way he saw Gil.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 16, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

"If i got paid 3 million to play basketball and i was 6'11 250??, Jeez louise! i would hire a great trainer, shoot jumpers everyday, eat good/great (no fast food at all) food, run, work on post moves, blocking techniques, rebounding drills."

Easy as that, huh? I don't think you appreciate just what kind of physical specimens NBA players are. They're practically a different species.

A friend of mine was present when the Heat were checking out Alonzo Mourning to see if he was ready to rejoin the team after his kidney problems. This was a guy who was nowhere near ready to play NBA ball yet. He just wanted to be cleared to be able to start to get back into playing shape with the Heat trainers. In order to stress his body enough to collect the data they needed, a treadmill had to be cranked up to the maximum speed and maximum incline and jacked up on cinder blocks (to further increase the incline). "Out-of-shape" Zo ran on that treadmill for over 30 minutes before his reserves were depleted enough for them to collect the needed data.

Posted by: yop32 | July 16, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Easy as that, huh? I don't think you appreciate just what kind of physical specimens NBA players are. They're practically a different species
Posted by: yop32 | July 16, 2009 11:51 AM

actually i do have an appreciation for professional athletes because i was once a baller on the highschool and college level. and i have studied the game for years. No it is not that easy thats why everyone is not in the NBA. but to those that are in the NBA you should be priviliged to belong to such a fraternity. Competitive nature alone should be enough motive for him to condition himself. and dedicate his life to the profession that has made him financially free. no its not easy but when you work hard the results show, and so does the fame and even more money. So i dont get what you are trying to say..if you get paid money to do something..why not go all in to max out your potential?

Posted by: jasperhneyaolcom | July 16, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

you don't cut corners at ur job, or take an extra 5 mins on ur break? almost everyone tries to get over once and a while, which explains why i'm posting on wiz insider while i'm being paid to do research.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 16, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe maybe not. First, I fail to see where Blatche has been a failure based on being a 18 second round HS player."

I didn't say he's been "a failure" per se. In fact I have in the past, more than once, pointed out his improvement as a player in response to those who claim that young talent doesn't develop on the Wizards.

That being said, he has failed to take real initiative in maximizing his talent. Given his talent level, after 4 years in the NBA he should be further along than he is. And the fact that, after 4 years, he's still talking about how he's looking forward to someone showing him the ropes is indication that taking initiative is not something he has any particular affinity for. And people with no initiative almost never reach their potential.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 15, 2009 10:03 PM
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I am not defending Blatche per se. My point about him being an 18 year old second round draft pick is that should temper expectations somewhat. I would guess 80% of the players drafted in his second round are not even in the NBA anymore. Plus, I believe he has improved his consistency etc...ever so slightly.

As for as initiative or whatever, he is still young enough to mature in many ways on and off the court, which makes his selection and contract a pretty decent bargain in my opinion.

Ha! Checked out his draft and Gortat was selected after Blatche. Find that somewhat interesting. Anyway, to me Blatche is still a big wild card for this team. If he makes a decent leap in consistency and professionalism, the Wiz can become extremely dangerous. Although I think this team is already going to turn heads this season.

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 16, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

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