Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity
On Twitter: MrMichaelLee and PostSports  |  Facebook  |  E-mail alerts: Redskins and Sports  |  RSS

Wizards Announce Summer League Invitees

The Washington Wizards just announced their summer league invitees, a list that includes Dominic McGuire, Nick Young, JaVale McGee and Javaris Crittenton, some other notable undrafted players and a (sort of) familiar face. Andray Blatche said at the end of the season that he wasn't going to play summer league as he prepares to enter his fifth year, and he meant it.

Some of the notable undrafted players are Gonzaga forward Josh Heytvelt, a 6-foot-11 forward/center who was expected to go either in the late first round or early second after averaging 14.9 points and 6.5 rebounds; Alade Aminu, a 6-10 Georgia Tech center who was slated as a late second-round pick after averaging 11.8 points and eight rebounds as a senior; and Notre Dame swingman Ryan Ayers, son of former Wizards assistant Randy Ayers.

The familiar face is none other than former Wizard James Lang, who was a favorite of the D.C. Sports Bog and provided many hilarious moments during his short stint with the team during the 2006-07 season. Agent Steinz blamed the Wizards' decision to cut Lang as the reason for their terrible collapse at the end of the regular season. Lang averaged 7.0 points and 4.3 rebounds last season for the NBA Developmental League runner-up Utah Flash.

The rest of the team is rounded out by Rhode Island's Jimmy Baron, Kent State's Jon Edwards, Coppin State's Tywain McKie, Tyrese Rice of Boston College, Florida State's Jason Rich, Alex Ruoff of West Virginia, Diamon Simpson of Saint Mary's, Kyle Spain of San Diego State and South Carolina's Brandon Wallace.

The Wizards will hold a mini-camp for the summer league invitees July 10-13. They will play the Cleveland Cavaliers, Denver Nuggets, Minnesota Timberwolves, Los Angeles Clippers and New York Knicks in Las Vegas from July 14 to 19.

By Michael Lee  |  July 1, 2009; 9:58 PM ET
 
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: Post-Flip Funk Continues
Next: Pistons Make Moves

Comments

Groovy. Nice to see some highly-rated undrafted big men coming to camp. Hope Heytvelt and Aminu bring their A games and bang some heads. Schwing!

Posted by: creativefunk | July 1, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

snore.....

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 1, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

The refreshing thing is that the SL team is mostly made of of undrafted rookies. Yes, I know they are undrafted for a reason, but being that this is a summer league squad, this team, as well as any other team, will not be fielding a team of former or current all-star players.

I don't think high scoring averages will do a thing for the guys on the regular roster. They'd better work on other aspects (passing, defense, hustle), else they will be buried on the depth chart behind a veteran heavy team...

Posted by: -CN- | July 1, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Heytvelt is not bad, maybe a good candidate for the 14th/15th man on the bench, after of course the Wiz sign a serviceable big man. ZaZa anyone? Or Gortat? How bout signing both of the Collins' twins, play them at the same time and hope nobody notices. I think the Wiz need more of a backup 5 than a 4.

Posted by: jfromPG | July 1, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

@ JfromPG

I also think this team's going to add a back-up 5, since McGee and Blatche only played the 5 last year b/c of their height, not b/c of their strengths. A seasoned (Gooden) and/or upcoming player (Bass) would be nice, but I think a solid back-up center that can plug in 15 mins/game is more key given how this team is made up. McGee and Blatche would be able to give mins at the 4, not to mention McGuire...

The summer league is about building the games on the guys on the actual roster, so Critt, Young, McGee, McGuire will need to work on their overall game. I don't think Young will get that he needs to work on other parts of his game. I have the same feeling for McGee, but hopefully he'll prove me wrong and hit the gym & weight room consistently & with conviction...

Posted by: -CN- | July 1, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

The problem with going after a C is that they don't have the money it'll take to get someone good enough to start over Haywood (unless it's a trade, and then they'd have to deal with Haywood's inevitable pouting from being benched). They could hire a cheap space filler, but anyone they get (e.g., Foyle, Magloire) isn't going to be good enough to make a difference. Going after a solid PF (which are more available on the market) would improve the front court quality overall and allow Blatche to play as the primary backup C. He'd likely be just as good as any of the players the Wizards could realistically acquire off the FA market.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 1, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

I'll be interested to see how Ben Gordon and Villanueva work out for the Pistons. I see the Clips have sent Zach Randolph to the Grizz for Quentin Richardson.

Really, does any of this make sense?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 2, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Getting rid of Zach Randolph for a gym back and a six-pack of Gatorade is a good move if it means he won't have a chance to infect Blake Griffin with his lousy attitude and nonexistent work ethic. Richardson probably doesn't do much for them on the court, but his contract expires at the end of next season.

As for why the Grizzlies would take on Randolph . . . temporary insanity?

Gordon is a solid 6th man, but I don't know that you pay a 6th man $11-12 mill/yr, esp. an undersized gunner who can't run the point. It looks like Dumars is trying to recreate the glory days of him, Isiah and Vinnie Johnson. (Although, even with Curry gone, it wouldn't surprise me to see Hamilton or Prince traded.)

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 2, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Getting rid of Zach Randolph for a gym back and a six-pack of Gatorade is a good move if it means he won't have a chance to infect Blake Griffin with his lousy attitude and nonexistent work ethic.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 2, 2009 12:25 AM

Randolph averaged 20.8 points and 10.8 rebounds last season. AJ's 20 and 10 plus his nonexistent work ethic (playing no "D") has made him an all star to some people on this blog?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 2, 2009 1:14 AM | Report abuse

"Andray Blatche said at the end of the season that he wasn't going to play summer league as he prepares to enter his fifth year, and he meant it."

Funny, it didn't take Kwame Brown nearly this long to realize he was "too good" for summer league. I've been saying this for 2 years now, Blatche has Kwame Brown disease. I just hope Flip has the cure for it.

Posted by: Barno1 | July 2, 2009 1:25 AM | Report abuse

Every year we think we're going to dominate summer league and every year it seems the guys who should be stepping up don't until the 5th or 6th game. Well, I really do believe this is the year we dominate summer league. Coincidentally, I'll be in Vegas for the Friday, Saturday, and Sunday games and will try my best to check them out at least once.

Posted by: Barno1 | July 2, 2009 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Boo this man: bulletsfan78

We recognize your role on these boards as the obligatory Wizards cynic. You carry the banner. Likewise, as a clown here, I'm going to boo you wherever you go.

Posted by: WilsonVT | July 2, 2009 1:32 AM | Report abuse

WilsonVT


I'm sorry AJ lead this team to 19 wins last year....he deserved the MVP award?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 2, 2009 1:51 AM | Report abuse

James Lang -- definitely a big body. I remember when that fat lard was on the same starting All-American McDonalds team as Lebron James, Chris Paul, and Charlie Villanueva.

Right now he is 285 pounds (came into the league at 316) and has a 7'6" wingspan so he is definitely they type of body that people on here were clamoring for, and he has a past with the Wizards. Just not sure if he is talented enough to be in the NBA.

Posted by: arenasmvp | July 2, 2009 2:12 AM | Report abuse

bulletsfan78,

AJ is a single cog in a plan we haven't seen in action since late January 2006--then merely competitive in the ECP first round. AJ's skills complement and are complemented by the big three. He's not expected to carry a team. Granted a two year old plan is open to worlds of reasonable skepticism, stop your thinly veiled, ridiculous AJ/Abe hate--in the name of good taste.

(boo.)

Posted by: WilsonVT | July 2, 2009 2:14 AM | Report abuse

WilsonVT

Wasn't CB on this team last year? You would think a team with two all stars and a group of guys the greatest GM of all time "Ernie" brought in and/or drafted would win more than two games.

Just because you can't handle the TRUTH don't blame me. Abe/AJ/Wes are all great people but so was George W, but that doesn't give him a pass on being one of the worst presidents this country has ever had.

I have to agree with Sophocles when he wrote (in the play Antigone) "No one loves the messenger who brings bad news."

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 2, 2009 2:31 AM | Report abuse

would win more than 19 games.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 2, 2009 2:37 AM | Report abuse

Finding a taker for Randolph is a coup for the Clippers. Now they don't have to trade away Kaman or Camby. I think at this point we can assume Camby is no longer an option.

Posted by: segastyle | July 2, 2009 2:45 AM | Report abuse

Bullets Fan 78... If you cannot get beyond the comparative statistics on Randolph vs Jamison I truly despair for you... Does it actually need to be said that AJ is someone that people genuinely want to have as a teammate... while Randolph is generally regarded as whatever is 180 degrees from AJ?

Posted by: khrabb | July 2, 2009 4:10 AM | Report abuse

Randolph averaged 20.8 points and 10.8 rebounds last season. AJ's 20 and 10 plus his nonexistent work ethic (playing no "D") has made him an all star to some people on this blog?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 2, 2009 1:14 AM

You really just plain old dumb. Ya he might play the D he should be playing that we would like but why complain about his D when he is a consistent performed every night. We have other players who play D which make up his D...We have Caron, Haywood, Stevenson, Blatche (when he is not in foul trouble or when he is actually playing) and D-Mac.

Posted by: dontecurtis | July 2, 2009 4:17 AM | Report abuse

Micheal,
Any update on the status of Veremenko? The guy had a very solid year in Europe after spending last year on a summer league roster.

Since the current roster cries out for front court help, what's his current contract status?

Heytvelt and Aminu are two solid prospects either could be a canidate for a 14th or 15th roster spot.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | July 2, 2009 5:56 AM | Report abuse

does seem a little odd that VV is not on the summer league roster...

Posted by: oddjob2 | July 2, 2009 6:15 AM | Report abuse

Can someone tell me what happened to Ivan Carter?

I'm just curious.

Posted by: WizForLifePilipinas | July 2, 2009 7:01 AM | Report abuse

Players with contracts don't take summer league serious. Why should they. Gil should have taken McGee and Young to Chicago with him. As for Jamison this team isn't going anywhere with him at PF. He's a 6th man at best. Does everyone remember how well those Goldenstate teams played with him starting. Dallas had it right.

This team 2 allstars in their own mind. You don't have 2 allstars and win 19 gms. I lot that blame go to Tap not knowing how to use his players especially Young and McGee. Ernie go get Varejao make Jamison the 3, have him come off the bench or trade him and this team in it's current setup will be really good.

HAYWOOD
VAREJAO
BUTLER/JAMISON
BUTLER/YOUNG
GIL
BENCH
MCGEE
BLATCHE
MILLER/MCGUIRE
YOUNG/FOYE
FOYE/CRIT

Posted by: rnbrown4 | July 2, 2009 7:06 AM | Report abuse

I think the Wizards are committed to seeing what they can get out of Blatche and McGee in expanded roles in the frontcourt.

Acquiring Varejao, who withoubt doubt plays with energy and strength, would be expensive (I estimate four years at a total of $30 million) and would relegate Blatche and McGee to spots further down the bench.

Much more likely is signing Rasho Nesterovic for two years max to back up Brendan and giving Heytvelt a good shot at being the 15th man... That gives the Wizards bulk in reserve at an affordable price.

AJ is still going to start at the 4 (and he should), but I suspect his minutes will go down from 37-41 to 30-34.

Building a playoff + roster, like politics, is an exercise in the possible.

Posted by: khrabb | July 2, 2009 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Can someone tell me what happened to Ivan Carter?

He got a new job.

Posted by: jones-y | July 2, 2009 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Ivan moved over to Comcast Sportsnet as host of WashPost Live.

Posted by: SomebodyBeatstheWiz | July 2, 2009 7:59 AM | Report abuse

I find it ironic that Jamison is being blamed for leading the wizards to only 19 victories last year when Caron "tough-juice" Butler gave up on the season and started coasting in games and nobody says a thing.

Don't get me wrong, I don't blame Jamison and I don't blame Caron either. The season was a lost cause as soon as Gil and Brendan went down and ended up missin 97% of the games. This coming the year after they busted their asses while Gil missed 99% of the season.

Some of y'all act like bitc*es!

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 2, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Randolph averaged 20.8 points and 10.8 rebounds last season. AJ's 20 and 10 plus his nonexistent work ethic (playing no "D") has made him an all star to some people on this blog?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | July 2, 2009 1:14 AM

1. Zebo played 50 games last year.
2. 40 of them were on the CLIPPERS.
3. he's a punk


lmao last year Ivan tried several times to convince all the Wiz Insider readers to goto Vegas to watch this shyt

Posted by: prescrunk | July 2, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Heytvelt and his hallucinogenic mushrooms...

AB: see what you missed by not going college!

Posted by: oddjob2 | July 2, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I think Heytvelt is an interesting grab. Hopefully he will use the summer league to make an impression. He had some flashes of real talent last year against some big name schools. At 6-11 with his skillset, he could replace Andray as the up-and-coming skinny 4 on this team, in terms of potential if nothing else. Just lay off the psychotropic mushrooms...

Posted by: minorthread | July 2, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

I agree with the concept of having veteran big man like rasho and a D- league big man.
This action will give a big chance for wiz to be flexible in providing Blache and JM enough minutes in 4 and 5 position.The team will have a great chance to add another veteran by the trade dead line if wiz have a noise to make as a contender.
I personaly do not blame the owner and GM for their slow move on FA.The team is paying dollar to dollar tax, no body is sure what Arenas is going to bring, i think it is the best decision.If Arenas is going well in the 1st 3 months, i think they will have a to be a little agressive to up grade the team.There will be a lot of veterans at the mid season trade dead line.

Posted by: gtefferra | July 2, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

The Wiz have the capability to offer the mid-level exception and the 1.9 veterans exemption if they wish. Considering what happened last year and that they have been depending on health for 3 years and have not obtained it, it is time to use the exemptions. They also have a number 1 and 2 picks for next year that can be included in trades as well as the expiring contract of Mike James. Marcus Camby is probably gone. If the Wiz really want to get better and protect against injuries, now is the time. Drew Gooden is waiting. Let's get him now!

Posted by: JoeC2 | July 2, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Nice grab on Heytvelt!

Posted by: DMoney28 | July 2, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

just wondering, did anyone expect the trade for foye and miller?
nope not me nor did anyone on these threads. my point being..?

signing a big man we can speculate all we want, truth is...were not going to know until whoever he is signed.

if i had to make a guess, id say...drew gooden. but then again i said wed trade the #5 pick for lee so u never know

thanks mike for the updates

Posted by: mrhney03 | July 2, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Funny, it didn't take Kwame Brown nearly this long to realize he was "too good" for summer league. I've been saying this for 2 years now, Blatche has Kwame Brown disease. I just hope Flip has the cure for it.

Posted by: Barno1 | July 2, 2009 1:25 AM

Kwame was the #1 pick overall, andray blatche was selected somewhere in the second round. there was no hype from blatche whatsoever, kwame is bigger can jump higher and is stronger, but cant play basketball. Blatche i dont know what his issue is exactly(conditioning,work ethic, seriousness to the game, low IQ) but i do know he is better than Kwame overall, even though Kwame has better assets as a player

Posted by: mrhney03 | July 2, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line is that neither McGee or Blatche are ready to play any quality minutes at center or offer any real presence against another team's bigman (even a reserve). Blatche has zero work ethic/desire and McGee is a project at this point who can provide energy in limited minutes. Agree that neither Magliore or Foyal are starting quality, but they are both big bodies who can give fouls, rebound, and provide a presence on the defensive end. Every good team has one or more of these type of players to keep their starting center fresh and to avoid foul trouble.

As for Gortat, Houston is going to offer him a starter level contract due to Yao's likelihood of missing the season. Is he worth it? Hard to tell based on last year, but he's a very solid reserve center which is why he's so valuable to Orlando. They may have to pony up more than they would like to keep him for quality depth. Zero chance he would come to the Wiz.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 2, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

BTW, Randolph is a cancer who every team he's played for has tried to move after a couple of season or less. Sure he puts up nice numbers on lousy team like the pre-Roy Blazers, Knicks, and Clippers....no playoff team has any interest in a guy who has a lousy attitude/poor work ethic, isn't a team player, and is only concered with his salary. Interesting to note that only a lousy franchise like the Grizzlies would take him on: the same franchise that traded Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 2, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

I know it sounds crazy, but I like Blatche to have a very good year. His ppg (10) and rpg (5.3) have increased each year. Obviously, he has some areas needing improvement lacks consistency at times, but I like him to be much better with Flip.

No need for him to go to Vegas, and its not typical for a 5th year player to do so. Go Andray!!

Posted by: thebone | July 2, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Any word on trading James or Stevenson? That would free up some cap and provide flexibility to sign a Big.

AJ and CB are all stars but not superstars, they need Arenas to get them good looks.

Posted by: HolleyMvp | July 2, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

The Wiz fans would never except him coming back, but Kwame actually wouldn't make a bad backup center at this point of his career.

The Wiz need an experienced center so Blatche isn't continued to be played out of position. For all of the carping about him, he's willfully played a majority of minutes out of position at center the last two years.

The guy is a much better power forward, packaging Songaila in the Foye/Miller deal cleared the way for Blatche to get major minutes at the 4 this year.

The Pistons two signings make it clear Shhed isn't going back there, McDyess is supposed to be weighing his options. There's not a lot of buyers in this market, by waiting a little, the Wiz could be in position to find a bargain.

I think they sign one vet and one rookie or D league FA. Unless Ernie can find a taker for James.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | July 2, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Back in the 1980's, the NBA instituted the "Ted Stepien" rule that now keeps teams from handing out draft selections in return for garbage.

After acquiring Kwame Brown, Darko Milicic and now Zach Randolph, how soon could we see a "Michael Heisley" rule preventing one from stuffing their roster with boneheads?

Posted by: mabkhar | July 2, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Comparing Z-Bo to Jamison on numbers is stupid. Youtube the clip of Randolph throwing up that airball against Toronto I think when he played for the Knicks. He doesn't care. Jamison is too small for the 4 and too slow for the 3...but he competes every night.

Arenas put up 30 a game his last full season...does that make him the equivalent to Kobe? No. It doesn't. Numbers mean nothing.

The team lost almost the equal of a starting lineup: Arenas, Stevenson, Thomas, and Haywood. 3 starters including your franchise player. Fill in the roster with 22 and under players and see how it works out. Fact is there were a lot of injuries. Take Kobe, Bynum and Fisher from the Lakers and give them the bench they had last season and see how it works out? Gasol and Odom can't carry the team either.

Gasol would get 20/10 like he did in Memphis and people would complain. It's what fans do. Odom would disappear as usual and people would complain. Arenas makes Jamison and Butler better. NEITHER ONE OF THEM IS A FRANCHISE PLAYER. They need each other and that's what it is.

I really don't wanna hear any of you actually cheering if they do well. Geez.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 2, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

"The problem with going after a C is that they don't have the money it'll take to get someone good enough to start over Haywood (unless it's a trade, and then they'd have to deal with Haywood's inevitable pouting from being benched)."

Forget about whether or not Haywood will pout, which center do you have in mind for such a trade? (Don't give me names that has no chance of a trade, such as Dwight Howard). Big Z? No! Camby? Maybe, but I consider him more as a PF/C than a real C. Over his career, he relied on his athleticism to battle against players bigger than him, which contributed to his injuries. At this juncture of his career, I do not think he is better than Haywood "as a C," and is better suited coming off bench than banging against big starting centers of other teams.

As a matter of fact, I think a PF/C is really what this team needs, someone who is a 4 but can also play 5 as a backup, not a pure 4 or a pure 5. Both 'Tawn and Blatche are really 4/3 and not 4/5. McDyess would be nice too, if Wizards can convince him to be a contender.

Posted by: sagaliba | July 2, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Somebody please share that drug that has you love Blatche so much. Barno said it earlier, the kid has Kwame Brown disease. blatche ha snot worked on his game. either the kids need to get on the steroid juice like Dwight howard, or he better be in the gym lifting EVERYDAY and get a real big man's body.

Posted by: simplewords999 | July 2, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Heytvelt and Aminu have a legitimate chance to make the team.
I guess this means the team has given up on Veermenko. I know he did not play that well last summer but he did play quite a bit better in his league last season.

Posted by: jeremybozz | July 2, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

The Wizards don't need a center to put Brendan on the bench. Matter of fact, they don't need a backup center to replace McGee. A 3rd center would get lil playing time.

They do need a veteran behind McGee that could start if Brendan gets hurt and McGee gets overwhelmed as a starter because he is probably not ready to be a full-time starter.

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 2, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Memo to Ernie,

Please do NOT sign Michael Ruffin or Calvin Booth. These guys have had many stints with the Bullets/Wizards and they were/are ALWAYS terrible.

Think it was Ruffin a few years ago that threw the ball up with a lead and the other team caught it and made a basket to force OT (which the Wizards then lost).

I would rather have these undrafted rookies!

Posted by: fearturtle44 | July 2, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

We need a PF rather than a C. Name me back-up C that will walk over McGee and Blatche.

Posted by: Dave381 | July 2, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

The fact that Blatche has improved every year is good.

And isn't he only 22 years old? He might as well be a rookie, who spent his college days in the NBA.

Posted by: Vicc | July 2, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Go after ZaZa PACHULIA of the HAWKS. A most servicable big and can be had with the exception money.

Posted by: glawrence007 | July 2, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

As much as we talk about it, we don't know how much work each player is putting in to improve until we see the results on the court. For that reason, Summer League play is a must see:

http://www.nba.com/summerleague2009/

*Josh Heytvelt:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/players/37943


*Alade Aminu:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/players/46665

Posted by: liveride | July 2, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I especially want to see *Tyrese Rice of Boston College (who dominated NC in a game last season)

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/players/46651

Posted by: liveride | July 2, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

"Camby? Maybe, but I consider him more as a PF/C than a real C. Over his career, he relied on his athleticism to battle against players bigger than him, which contributed to his injuries. At this juncture of his career, I do not think he is better than Haywood "as a C," and is better suited coming off bench than banging against big starting centers of other teams." - sagaliba

I think he's still better than Haywood on a per game basis. He's probably more likely to miss more games than Haywood though. He is able to stay on the floor for several more minutes, he grabs double digit rebounds (in fact, he grabs more defensive boards per game than Haywood does total), he scores better, he blocks shots significantly better, manages to pig up a decent amount of steals for big man, and shoots free throws better.

The only thing Haywood really has on Camby is size and age. Many times, that can be significant, but at this point in each of their careers, it's not helping Haywood much.


"As a matter of fact, I think a PF/C is really what this team needs, someone who is a 4 but can also play 5 as a backup, not a pure 4 or a pure 5."

Which is exactly what you just described Camby as being. He and Haywood could be on the floor together at times. But alas, I'm guessing the Clippers are no longer interested in trading him unless there is a decent offer made.

Posted by: segastyle | July 2, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"Ivan moved over to Comcast Sportsnet as host of WashPost Live."

Ivan's absolutely horrible at it - probably won't be long before he's back. He is agonizing to watch - nothing personal vs. Ivan - seems like a likeable guy, but I have to be honest.

Posted by: BulletsFan1 | July 2, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"Think it was Ruffin a few years ago that threw the ball up with a lead and the other team caught it and made a basket to force OT (which the Wizards then lost)."

Didn't Butler get hurt in that OT and we lost him for the playoffs?

Ruffin simply cannot be allowed back after that.

Posted by: cballer | July 2, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

"Right now he is 285 pounds (came into the league at 316) and has a 7'6" wingspan so he is definitely they type of body that people on here were clamoring for, and he has a past with the Wizards. Just not sure if he is talented enough to be in the NBA."

I remember when James Lang played for the Wizards. He was SLOW in moving his feet. Wonder if he gets any better.

Posted by: sagaliba | July 2, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

That Ruffin blunder at the end of a hard fought game was against Toronto as Mo Peterson caught it and hit the 3 to send it into overtime (& the Raptors won 123-118). A game that will burn in infamy:)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=270330027

Posted by: liveride | July 2, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Trade Mike James' expiring contract to New Jersey for Josh Boone and Eduardo Najera.

Boone is very good for a backup center and runs the floor really well on the break. He's also a local kid, sort of, from rural Maryland.

Najera is a hustle player and solid citizen who is excellent in the locker room and practice.

New Jersey is looking to clear cap space for 2010. This trade gets two years of Najera's salary off of their books.

Posted by: yop32 | July 2, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

The Ruffin game was against Toronto and Morris Petterson tied the game with a 3 pt shot. It was downhill for the team after they loss that game.

Posted by: Dave381 | July 2, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: liveride | July 2, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, wrong year.

Posted by: liveride | July 2, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

And puts two years of Najera's salary on ours...not exactly the type of player you want to commit money to with Butler and Haywood contracts coming up....

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 2, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

At least Najera's salary decreases each year. And he really is the perfect sixth big man for an NBA team-- veteran hustle player, fundamentally sound, always prepared, and always in shape.

Posted by: yop32 | July 2, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Folks say Blatche needs to hit the gym - what about the rest of the front line, including Flip Shot Jamison who plays like a 2 at the 4 --- you'd think he'd want to be jacked as an undersized PF. But, it's easier to criticize the young knucklehead (who's very talented by the way), than a borderline All-Star. By the way, doesn't Jamison lack post moves for a PF? He just floats to one side and flips the ball -- some "Power" Forward. And he stands around a LOT on offense -- just hangs out at the 3PT arc -- just not much of a PF if you ask me. Happy belated 33rd B-day to AJ! Time to package him with Mike James, and get a true PF whose age begins with a 2_. I'd take Villanueva over Jamison any day of the week (think Vill went for $8M/yr, AJ's at $13M). Plus, Ernie needs to cut salary so he can re-sign Foye at the end of the season --- I think there's no chance of resigning Miller as an UnFA.

Posted by: BulletsFan1 | July 2, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I say we go after Gooden or Zaza. Looks like Gortat is not as under the radar as I expected so it would be hard for him to be had at the MLE.

Blatche is on his last leg in DC. If he doesn't wake up this year, we know what he's gonna be for the rest of his NBA life.

Mcgee can handle being the backup C but if he or Haywood goes down we def. need a vet who can come in and be solid. That's why I'm leaning towards Zaza even though Gooden is better because I'm tired of watching Andray pretend to play C.

Posted by: Gtown87 | July 2, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

What we need in a reserve PF/C is some energy, beef to hold post position and 6 fouls to give. And it would be nice if they could reliably make Free Throws in the 4th Q (that alone would be an upgrade over Etan, Ruffin, etc.)

Najera and Boone would not be bad pickups, but are they going to be THAT much better in 10 min a game than vs. our Dleague/undrafted prospects? Neither Boone nor Najera hit FTs over 40%. And they get the same number of Fouls to Give as anyone else who steps on the court.

Unless they are a serious upgrade over off-the-street talent then it might be better to let James' contract expire with us so we have more flexibility at the end of this year.

Posted by: cballer | July 2, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Just because Jamison isn't your classic PF doesn't mean he isn't effective. He's quicker and much more difficult for your "classic" PF such as Jefferson...he's quicker and pulls them out on the perimeter...it's a give and take.

You don't eat Najera's salary to get Josh Boone. You eat salary for a quality player...you can get Josh Boone quality anywhere.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 2, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Which is exactly what you just described Camby as being. He and Haywood could be on the floor together at times. But alas, I'm guessing the Clippers are no longer interested in trading him unless there is a decent offer made.

Posted by: segastyle
-------------------------------------------

Yes, I definitely would like to land Camby, that is the precise reason why I said, "as a matter of fact, I think a PF/C is really what this team needs" after I classified Camby as a PF/C. But I agree with you, the possibility is slimmer now that Clippers has traded Randolph.

I also agree "that the only thing Haywood really has on Camby is size and age," but then you continue to say that "but at this point in each of their careers, it's not helping Haywood much," which I disagree. I believe "at this point in each of their careers," it DOES matter. (Note that my comparison based soley on center position, where size matters more.)

Posted by: sagaliba | July 2, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Bulletsfan#1

Who do you want to replace Jamison with? Cleveland's pf? What about Orlando's pf? Maybe get Rasheed and start him and put Jamison on the bench. There are better prototypical pf's like KG, Duncan, Amare, to name 3, and there are others, but can you get them? How old are they and how healthy are they? What do you have to give up?

What is Jamison? He is a 4/3 pf, not a 3/4 pf. He draws his defender outside. He rebounds more than anyone on the team. More than Haywood. People want a pf that compliments Haywood. Please, Haywood needs to throw his weight around more and rebound better. No Jamison will never be a great defender. He does not have the skillset. He plays 4 because that is where he fits best, not because he is a perfect fit. He is what he is, a veteran who plays against bigger/stronger people on a nightly basis. He plays on a team that gets shafted by the refs annually. Give the man a break.

Start Varajo, get rid of Jamison. Not

Posted by: G-Man11 | July 2, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Who do you want to replace Jamison with? Cleveland's pf? What about Orlando's pf? Maybe get Rasheed and start him and put Jamison on the bench. There are better prototypical pf's like KG, Duncan, Amare, to name 3, and there are others, but can you get them? How old are they and how healthy are they? What do you have to give up?

Agreed...and even KG and Amare arent prototypical. Flip the coin, if the Wizards have Varajeo and get rid of Jamison the opposing PF will roam from Varajeo and cause chaos for everyone else because he's not a threat. Jamison makes him stay honest and opens the lanes for penetration. (which they need to do more and I think will do with Gilbert coming back) That penetration leads to fouls, free throws and foul trouble for opposing big men. With no PG last year that never happened and we shot WAY too many jumpers.

If Varajeo is better than Jamison...why were they trying to pick him up? It wasn't to play the 3...that's LeBron's spot. Answer that.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 2, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

To all these Amare lovers..what does he bring that Jamison doesn't? Other than less mileage.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 2, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

"Agree that neither Magliore or Foyal are starting quality, but they are both big bodies who can give fouls, rebound, and provide a presence on the defensive end."

One out of three ain't good. Neither of those guys was a good defender in his prime, which is well past for both of them. And when you break his rebounding down on a per minute basis, Magloire has ever been esp. impressive. He had a couple seasons where he grabbed 10 rpg, but he was playing around 35 minutes per night to do it. By contrast, Blatche grabbed just over 5 rpg in in the last two seasons, playing 20 and 24 mpg, respectively. Foyle was better on the boards in his prime, but he's 34 years old and hasn't logged meaningful minutes for an NBA team in 3 seasons.

And we already know that AB can foul with the best of them.

"Bottom line is that neither McGee or Blatche are ready to play any quality minutes at center or offer any real presence against another team's bigman (even a reserve).

With the injuries to Thomas, Blatche has basically been the primary backup C (and, for some stretches, the starter) for the past two years. Could he have played better, given his talent potential? Sure, he could have played a lot better. He is what he is.

I'm not a big fan of Blatche's, but even in his half-stepping state, he can give them just as much as a couple of aging retreads like Foyle or Magloire could.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 2, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Heytvelt will stick; that wouldn't be bad.

I'm not unhappy with our team at all, except I want to dump Mike James and his contract. If it helps us get a quality backup at the 4 and 5, all the better, but I'm also expecting that Blatche and McGee will improve.

Can they handle Shaq or Superman in the post? Well, no. No one can one on one if they get the ball down low. But it's a team game and if they put the ball on the floor, we take it away and go.

We're going to be running up and down the court, with big-time athletes and great shooters. No big slow guy is going to beat us -- on other teams or on ours.

Posted by: zinger1 | July 2, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"Randolph averaged 20.8 points and 10.8 rebounds last season. AJ's 20 and 10 plus his nonexistent work ethic (playing no "D") has made him an all star to some people on this blog?Posted by: bulletsfan78"

Randolph is the original 'MeZach'. If you give him the minutes, he'll give you the stats. But he has virtually no work ethic outside the games. Which is why coaches and GMs keep getting rid of him.

You notice they don't seem to want to get rid of Jamison. Cleveland was after him last season but the Wiz wouldn't give him up. Even at 33, he's got considerable trade value to a contender. Randolph, meanwhile, has little.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 2, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

"To all these Amare lovers..what does he bring that Jamison doesn't? Other than less mileage.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 2, 2009 12:34 PM "

Low post presence, shot blocking capability, more toughness, etc.

What does MeTawn bring to a team except for his 20-10 that results in the lottery?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 2, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"if i had to make a guess, id say...drew gooden. but then again i said wed trade the #5 pick for lee so u never know

thanks mike for the updates

Posted by: mrhney03 | July 2, 2009 9:06 AM "

Les BouleS actually targeted DG during the draft but took Jared instead since DG was drafted sooner.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 2, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

About Heytvelt -- he's a talented guy who apparently wasn't drafted for two reasons. First, because he has a problem ankle. Second, because after he came back from the injury, he wasn't the same player.

His positives: he's a legit 6'11" with a wingspan of 7'1"-plus. He rebounds aggressively and can step out to hit the jumper. His weight fluctuates from 245-260 and he's strong, meaning he can give you minutes at center. His no-step leap was 27" and max was 34", both quite respectable.

The negatives: apparently he was a terrific 215 lb underclassman whose weight climbed significantly after the injury, causing his speed and agility to suffer. He's still reasonably agile, but not like before.

For all his size and skills, Heytvelt allegedly has trouble establishing position underneath and finds himself forced away from the basket (is this starting to sound familiar, Wiz fans?).

The bigger talent is the Ga Tech center Aminu. He's the athlete in the group. Problem is, he's apparently raw enough to make Javale McGee looks like a polished pro. Like McGee, he needs a strength program, and also like McGee, he needs to learn to establish position underneath. But he's a fascinating athlete with potential (don't you hate that word?) that rivals McGee's, or Jordan Hill.

So there you have it: the skilled guy with the trick ankle, vs the raw talent. Would the Wiz benefit by keeping either one? Hard to think they would -- they've already got a bunch of young players to manage.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 2, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Low post presence, shot blocking capability, more toughness, etc.

What does MeTawn bring to a team except for his 20-10 that results in the lottery?

That's funny. Amare isn't much of a back to the basket post player. I hardly consider him tough and you can't count on him for 70+ games a season. Another defensive liability with injury problems.

I'll pass.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 2, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Besides...Amare's low post presence, toughness, shot blocking ability as well as selfishness and attitude ended up on the lottery on a more talented team.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 2, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Aaron Brooks--that is all I have to say. He was with the Wiz summer league last year but the geniuses who run this team (yeah you EG) didn't think of keeping him and look what he did for Houston.

Posted by: rgraffam | July 2, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Aaron Brooks--that is all I have to say. He was with the Wiz summer league last year but the geniuses who run this team (yeah you EG) didn't think of keeping him and look what he did for Houston.

Posted by: rgraffam | July 2, 2009 3:07 PM


Umm....no he wasnt. He's been with the Rockets since he got drafted in 07.

Posted by: Gtown87 | July 2, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Yeah; The Serial Skirt Chaser ain't got time for no stinkin summer league,he'll be too busy up in da club throwin down with his peeps! "Ba Tenda set em up, drinks on Dray" wait until Flip gets a load of this guys work ethic or lack thereof!!!.

Posted by: dargregmag | July 2, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

"Besides...Amare's low post presence, toughness, shot blocking ability as well as selfishness and attitude ended up on the lottery on a more talented team.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 2, 2009 2:40 PM "

Phoenix's .561 winning percentage and 46 wins would have been good enough for 5th seed in the east even with Amare only playing in 53 games.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/standings

Les BouleS, with MeTawn playing in 81 games could only muster 19 wins with a .232 "winning" percentage.

Enjoy that.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 2, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

To rgraffam:

That was Aaron Miles, not Aaron Brooks. Brooks was drafted, as Gtwon87 said. Brooks easily would have been our starter last year with Gil down - if we had ever had him. Now you're just making stuff to rag on the Wiz. Random guarantee: Blatche will outplay Jamison this year.

Posted by: Urnesto | July 2, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

luvin it urnesto

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | July 2, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Stoudemire isn't really a low post player. He gets most of his inside baskets on lobs, run outs, and fast breaks all of which D.Antoni's uptempo offense provided in abundance. Most of his scoring in a set half-court offense comes either from offensive rebound putbacks or jumpshots from 15-17 feet.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 2, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Wakeup people. Jamison starting at the 4 and Caron at the 3 is not a winning combo. Last year was a throw away year with Tapp coaching. I would bet that the bench (mcgee, blatche, young, crit player x) of he Wiz team last year would beat starters (mj, butler, jamison, songalia, mcguire) in practice all the time. When the bench team was in and started to win Tapp would pull them out time and time again. The team played faster, played D and was more exciting. Other teams are getting better (Detriot, Orlando, Boston, Philly, Nets, Miami). We need a young big proven, athletic PF/C that get points without offensive sets and knows how to play off of big time scorers. Our bigs would be Haywood, McGee, Blatche new player. Varajao is perfect.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | July 2, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Restricted free-agent center Marcin Gortat was scheduled to fly to Dallas on Thursday after giving the Mavericks a verbal commitment to sign an offer sheet with them next week, according to NBA front-office sources.

Sources told ESPN.com that the Mavericks are bringing Gortat to town to tour the area and the team's facilities after extending him an offer believed to be worth Dallas' full mid-level exception -- which could translate to a five-year deal starting at roughly $5.6 million -- in hopes of dissuading the Orlando Magic from matching the offer.

Gortat averaged just 3.8 points and 4.5 rebounds per game last season and 3.3 points and 3.2 rebounds during the Magic's run to the NBA Finals, but his opportunities in Orlando were limited behind All-Star center Dwight Howard.

Since free agency commenced at 12:01 a.m. Wednesday, Gortat has received strong interest from the other two Texas teams (Houston and San Antonio) as well as Atlanta, Cleveland, Indiana and Oklahoma City, sources said.

Orlando will have seven days to match any offer sheet Gortat signs next Wednesday, which is the first day free agents are allowed to sign new contracts. The Magic have stressed their intent to match offers for the 6-foot-11 native of Poland but doing so would almost certainly send them well into luxury-tax territory.

Marc Stein is a senior NBA writer for ESPN.com.

Posted by: anacostia85 | July 2, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

"I would bet that the bench (mcgee, blatche, young, crit player x) of he Wiz team last year would beat starters (mj, butler, jamison, songalia, mcguire) in practice all the time."

I think I might take that bet.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 2, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

"Stoudemire isn't really a low post player. He gets most of his inside baskets on lobs, run outs, and fast breaks all of which D.Antoni's uptempo offense provided in abundance. Most of his scoring in a set half-court offense comes either from offensive rebound putbacks or jumpshots from 15-17 feet.

Posted by: kalo_rama | July 2, 2009 4:40 PM "

And that's exactly what Les BouleS need especially with the abundance of guys on this team who like to shoot from a long distance.

Surprisingly, Amare is a better FT shooter (.755 vs. .734), and has a higher FG percentage (.541 vs. .456) while going to the line a LOT more (7.8 vs. 4.9).

Since Amare is not a good 3 pt shooter, you won't catch this PF out behind the arc too much where he doesn't belong. He'll be in the paint where he belongs, which is probably why he gets 1.5 blocks vs. MeTawn's .4 blocks.

A trade that works right now is Amare for MeTawn and Mike James. According to trade machine, both teams benefit.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m79zwk

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 2, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

@rgraff RE: Aaron Brooks / Miles

Miles wasn't even on the summer league team last year either. 'Twas the year before I believe. You sound like a couple of posters here who are just conjuring up unfounded statements to support your (otherwise) weak argument.

Another one I heard here is that Grunfeld extended Mike James 1 add'l year when he was traded here from the Hornets. Umm, that's unfounded too, as James always had that player option when he signed his current expiring contract a few years back.

We've all got our opinions about the team, so we rag on each other for that. But, if you're going to use facts , make sure you've done the research...

Posted by: -CN- | July 2, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Ok, Miles played two years ago. My bad. He's a scrub. A year off doesn't mean anybody is making stuff up. And who's talking about Mike James? I think Grunfield's a good GM, that Blatche and McGee will be very good but not great, and that it would be practically impossible for the bullets to be a top 4 team while starting Jamison at either 3 or 4. Oh, and I think Gil will be 95% of what he was. But I don't think about Mike James and I don't care about Aaron Miles, and nobody's making anything up and nobody's ragging on anybody. So, just relax -CNot-. It's ok.

Posted by: Urnesto | July 2, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

ATLANTA (SI.com) -- The Los Angeles Lakers are close to reaching an agreement with Houston forward Ron Artest, the Los Angeles Times reported.

Artest, an unrestricted free agent, is expected to agree to terms Thursday after spending the day meeting with Lakers executives.

CBS Sports.com's Ken Berger is also reporting Ron Artest is poised to sign with the Lakers.

"I'm definitely going to L.A. -- to sign, yeah," Artest said. "Lakers, Lakers, Lakers. I'm in L.A. right now."

Artest, 29, averaged 17.1 points per game last season with Houston.

Posted by: anacostia85 | July 2, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

John Thompson described Artest's play with Houston as 'magnificent'.

But Ronny in LA? Oh, my God...

Posted by: Samson151 | July 2, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

@ Urnesto

I'll relax, but you should too. As noted in my post, I was talking to McGraff (not you) who was saying that Aaron Brooks was on this team's summer league team, he wasn't. My point was that the guy the Miles was on the team a while ago, so his memory's way off.

As for James, 'twas someone else who claimed Grunfeld gave him an extension; simply untrue.

CNot, eh??

Posted by: -CN- | July 2, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

We have a solid 10 man rotation, we don't need a "star"...we need a role player. We need to "move" so hefty contracts. Amare is NOT better than Jamison...not by far. He would be good to have but he doesn't play D (trade Caron & #5 for him? NO) can't shoot the 3 (trade Jamison for him? NO), and has knee and eye problems. Stand pat, get a roleee, and watch the sytem work.

Posted by: Gooddad | July 3, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

http://btabasketball.com/forums/index.php?

Join BTA if you like to discuss the NBA and basketball in general with people all over the net. it's a growing forum and it's co owned by a wizards fan! Go wizards!

http://btabasketball.com/forums/index.php?

Posted by: ukhan93 | July 3, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

http://btabasketball.com/forums/index.php?

Join BTA if you like to discuss the NBA and basketball in general with people all over the net. it's a growing forum and it's co owned by a wizards fan! Go wizards!

http://btabasketball.com/forums/index.php?

Posted by: ukhan93 | July 3, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Phoenix's .561 winning percentage and 46 wins would have been good enough for 5th seed in the east even with Amare only playing in 53 games.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/standings

Les BouleS, with MeTawn playing in 81 games could only muster 19 wins with a .232 "winning" percentage.

Enjoy that.

Complete stupidity. Notice I said on a MORE TALENTED team. If you switch Amare and Antawn last season they are still a 19 win team. Would we win 46 with Mike James, Butler, McGuire, Amare and Blatche? No.

Nash, Barbosa, Shaq, Grant Hill, Richardson, and you're comparing wins and losses? Come on dude...be serious.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 3, 2009 2:07 AM | Report abuse

"Complete stupidity. Notice I said on a MORE TALENTED team. If you switch Amare and Antawn last season they are still a 19 win team. Would we win 46 with Mike James, Butler, McGuire, Amare and Blatche? No.

Nash, Barbosa, Shaq, Grant Hill, Richardson, and you're comparing wins and losses? Come on dude...be serious.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 3, 2009 2:07 AM "

That crystal ball between your ears ain't working too good for you. Either that, or you're completely stupid. I'd pick all of the above to describe you.

You said PHO ended up in "the lottery on a more talented team." Yes, they were in a better conference and 10 games above .500.

In contrast, the sorry no account Les BouleS (now with the 3rd highest salary) were in a worse performing conference and ended up 44 games below .500 while 2 of their all stars, guys that EG drafted or brought in as free agents, and his hand picked interim straight to the lottery coach were healthy and available.

To make a baseless statement that switching MeTawn with Amare would have the same results would be pure conjecture pulled from either your behind or the malfunctioning crystal ball between your ears...both interchangeable.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 3, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Real comparison of players on wiz team not fantasy. starters vs bench didn't include 2 spot to many to choose from.

haywood vs Mcgee - haywood bigger body (20lbs)for now and more experience. mcgee better hands, more athletic will make haywood look bad head to head.

jamison vs blatche - jamison better shooter and experience. blatche better athlete, bigger stronger, faster. can gaurd jamison but jamison can't gaurd him. blatche +.

butler vs young - wash. both can get numbers, neither great defensively.

gil vs crit or foye - gil wins easily.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | July 3, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

That crystal ball between your ears ain't working too good for you. Either that, or you're completely stupid. I'd pick all of the above to describe you.

You said PHO ended up in "the lottery on a more talented team." Yes, they were in a better conference and 10 games above .500.

In contrast, the sorry no account Les BouleS (now with the 3rd highest salary) were in a worse performing conference and ended up 44 games below .500 while 2 of their all stars, guys that EG drafted or brought in as free agents, and his hand picked interim straight to the lottery coach were healthy and available.

To make a baseless statement that switching MeTawn with Amare would have the same results would be pure conjecture pulled from either your behind or the malfunctioning crystal ball between your ears...both interchangeable.

LOL...yeah you are an angry guy. Point is wins and losses. You complain about Jamison but having Amare doesn't make the Wizards any better. What is your logic? You're banking on wins and loses but then you throw in Amare only played 53 games. Amare has attitude problems, doesn't play defense and doesn't have much of a low post game. He is going to cost more than Jamison. What does he bring to the table?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 3, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"LOL...yeah you are an angry guy. Point is wins and losses. You complain about Jamison but having Amare doesn't make the Wizards any better. What is your logic? You're banking on wins and loses but then you throw in Amare only played 53 games. Amare has attitude problems, doesn't play defense and doesn't have much of a low post game. He is going to cost more than Jamison. What does he bring to the table?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 3, 2009 3:26 PM "

Yeah, you are a stupid guy, and I have little patience with stupidity.

If you paid attention, you would have read that I said Amare brings the intangibles and abilities that MeTawn doesn't have.

That includes shot blocking ability, a higher FG & FT percentage, more shots at the line, and more Rebs with fewer prayers from behind the arc.

If Amare was here last season, he'd have filled in fine for an injured BTH, and would have allowed AB to focus on the 4 with JaTravel backing up both.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 3, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, you are a stupid guy, and I have little patience with stupidity.

If you paid attention, you would have read that I said Amare brings the intangibles and abilities that MeTawn doesn't have.

That includes shot blocking ability, a higher FG & FT percentage, more shots at the line, and more Rebs with fewer prayers from behind the arc.

If Amare was here last season, he'd have filled in fine for an injured BTH, and would have allowed AB to focus on the 4 with JaTravel backing up both.

I'm stupid enough to keep going back and forth with you. Don't be selective. Make sure you throw in Amare's other "intagibles" His bad attitude, inability to stay healthy and don't forget he turns the ball over almost twice as much as Jamison. Guess which PF turned the ball over more than Amare? NONE OF THEM. Amare would have been 13th in turnovers, right behind Chris Paul. PF's should not turn the ball over as much as PG's especially since they don't have the ball as much.

At least get your stats right. Amare does NOT get more rebounds that Jamison. It's just not statistically true. Higher FG%? Sure. Considering Jamison shoots more jumpers and Amare has a lot more dunks. If I'm not mistaken Jamison was our best 3 point shooter last season or very close to it. He brings just as much that Amare DOESN'T bring. So what's the difference? BTW I hope you're planning Amare's FG% coming down once it's not Steve Nash feeding him the ball.

Defense is no better but that 1 block a game is just so amazing. Especially when he's either in a suit or turning the ball over.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 3, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

"I'm stupid enough to keep going back and forth with you. Don't be selective. Make sure you throw in Amare's other "intagibles" His bad attitude, inability to stay healthy and don't forget he turns the ball over almost twice as much as Jamison. Guess which PF turned the ball over more than Amare? NONE OF THEM. Amare would have been 13th in turnovers, right behind Chris Paul. PF's should not turn the ball over as much as PG's especially since they don't have the ball as much.

At least get your stats right. Amare does NOT get more rebounds that Jamison. It's just not statistically true. Higher FG%? Sure. Considering Jamison shoots more jumpers and Amare has a lot more dunks. If I'm not mistaken Jamison was our best 3 point shooter last season or very close to it. He brings just as much that Amare DOESN'T bring. So what's the difference? BTW I hope you're planning Amare's FG% coming down once it's not Steve Nash feeding him the ball.

Defense is no better but that 1 block a game is just so amazing. Especially when he's either in a suit or turning the ball over.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 3, 2009 7:14 PM "

WTF are you talking about? You're talking out of your behind.

You said that Amare turns over the ball almost twice as much as MeTawn. Amare's average is 2.56. Metawn's is 1.75. Your "almost twice" would make Amare's average near 3.5. So, STFU because your math is wrong.

MeTawn averages 8.0 rebs on 36.8 min in his career. Amare is 8.9 over 34.2. That means MeTawn is .217 rebs/min. Amare is .260 rebs/min. So, WTF are you talking about?

With regard to shooting, I want my PF to dunk as much as possible....not shoot from the 3 point line like he's not supposed to be doing. MeTawn's "best" 3 point shooting would be great if he was the PG or shooting guard or quick side forward, but he's not. He's the F'n PF who's supposed to be battling in the paint, not jacking 3's to pad his stats while the team loses.

Amare's turnover issue is irrelevant compared to the positives that he brings to the table that are much better than MeTawn's.

Yes, Nash won't be giving Amare the ball if he comes here. It'll be Gilby if he plays at all. That though, means that Amare's career percentage won't change much because he won't get any touches. Touche!

Gilby's got a bad attitude, poor health history, turns the ball over a lot, and makes bad decisions with jacking up shots, and was still rewarded with a max money contract. Focus on him dude.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 3, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

First off.
I'm going off last season Amare turned the ball over almost twice as much as Antawn.
Antawn - 1.54
Amare - 2.83

NO PF SHOULD TURN THE BALL OVER ALMOST 3 TIMES A GAME.

Rebounding? You can use career averages. Remember that Jamison played SF before he came here and was away from the basket and came off the bench with less minutes in Dallas so those may be a little lower. Those 0.6 rebounds a game are great, especially when he missed 30+ games last season. Amare missed more games last season that Jamison missed HIS ENTIRE TIME IN WASHINGTON. Yeah turnovers sure are irrelevant in basketball. Especially when the "intangibles" of being called a terrible teammate, selfish, and not staying healthy are included. Have you ever picked up one and played the actual game?

Who said anything about Gilbert? Don't use that do justify your flawed logic. Trade a gimpy max contract player with a bad attitude for another? Is that you Wes Unseld? So WTF are YOU talking about?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 3, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

"First off.
I'm going off last season Amare turned the ball over almost twice as much as Antawn.
Antawn - 1.54
Amare - 2.83

NO PF SHOULD TURN THE BALL OVER ALMOST 3 TIMES A GAME.

Rebounding? You can use career averages. Remember that Jamison played SF before he came here and was away from the basket and came off the bench with less minutes in Dallas so those may be a little lower. Those 0.6 rebounds a game are great, especially when he missed 30+ games last season. Amare missed more games last season that Jamison missed HIS ENTIRE TIME IN WASHINGTON. Yeah turnovers sure are irrelevant in basketball. Especially when the "intangibles" of being called a terrible teammate, selfish, and not staying healthy are included. Have you ever picked up one and played the actual game?

Who said anything about Gilbert? Don't use that do justify your flawed logic. Trade a gimpy max contract player with a bad attitude for another? Is that you Wes Unseld? So WTF are YOU talking about?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 3, 2009 11:50 PM "

First off, you are wrong. Admit it. Amare's turnovers are not "double" MeTawn's.

Secondly, please don't make excuses for the numbers. It doesn't matter if MeTawn played SF or not. You're wrong once again.

Also, MeTawn missed few games these past few seasons. How has that made a difference to the team? They still went to the lottery this past season. Again, MeTawn is a stats guy.

MeTawn is a terrible captain. He has had no ability or skill whatsoever in leading the youth of Les BouleS in the right direction. All he does is complain and whine, but doesn't accept ownership of his weaknesses.

Clearly, you don't understand basketball, so please stop embarrassing yourself.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 4, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

First off, you are wrong. Admit it. Amare's turnovers are not "double" MeTawn's.

Secondly, please don't make excuses for the numbers. It doesn't matter if MeTawn played SF or not. You're wrong once again.

Also, MeTawn missed few games these past few seasons. How has that made a difference to the team? They still went to the lottery this past season. Again, MeTawn is a stats guy.

MeTawn is a terrible captain. He has had no ability or skill whatsoever in leading the youth of Les BouleS in the right direction. All he does is complain and whine, but doesn't accept ownership of his weaknesses.

Clearly, you don't understand basketball, so please stop embarrassing yourself.

Use your vowels. One every post I said ALMOST twice as many. Put on your helmet and do the math.

Yes Antawn actually shows up and plays and the team didn't do well. 3 starters missed virtually the entire season. Not many teams will be successful with that. Amare didn't show up and his team still won, so I guess that shows his value too eh?

It doesn't matter than Jamison was a SF until he got to Washington? It doesn't matter that he came off the bench? And I don't understand basketball? SF's have lower rebounding numbers.

Jamison is a terrible captain who has no ability to lead the youth and all he does is complain and whine. Yet they say that's who they look up to and who is teaching them how to be a professional.

So Amare Stoudemire is going to be a leader and lead the youth and not complain or whine? Considering it's all he did last season. You're completely mental.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 4, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

"Use your vowels. One every post I said ALMOST twice as many. Put on your helmet and do the math.

Yes Antawn actually shows up and plays and the team didn't do well. 3 starters missed virtually the entire season. Not many teams will be successful with that. Amare didn't show up and his team still won, so I guess that shows his value too eh?

It doesn't matter than Jamison was a SF until he got to Washington? It doesn't matter that he came off the bench? And I don't understand basketball? SF's have lower rebounding numbers.

Jamison is a terrible captain who has no ability to lead the youth and all he does is complain and whine. Yet they say that's who they look up to and who is teaching them how to be a professional.

So Amare Stoudemire is going to be a leader and lead the youth and not complain or whine? Considering it's all he did last season. You're completely mental.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 4, 2009 11:21 AM "

You apparently can't do math. Amare can't have anything near "almost twice as many TO's as MeTawn" when he would need to increase his current average by 37% to be double that of MeTawn. That's not "almost half" dummy....

MeTawn and his fellow all star couldn't keep Les BouleS out of the lottery and looked bad, really bad last season.

Yes, MeTawn has had absolutely no influence and has shown no leadership in taking the team and the young guns by the throat.

Amare won't be called in to be the captain. What he will be called in to do is to get blocked shots, to get points in the paint, to get rebounds, and to get to the FT line and shoot a high percentage. He currently does all that better than MeTawn.

Obviously you are content with status quo, just like EG is, and that status quo means losing with overpaid and overhyped people.

You probably have a MeTawn jersey and that's probably the only reason you want him to stick around. Guess what? You probably look stupid with or without that jersey.

LMFAO!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 4, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

You apparently can't do math. Amare can't have anything near "almost twice as many TO's as MeTawn" when he would need to increase his current average by 37% to be double that of MeTawn. That's not "almost half" dummy....

MeTawn and his fellow all star couldn't keep Les BouleS out of the lottery and looked bad, really bad last season.

Yes, MeTawn has had absolutely no influence and has shown no leadership in taking the team and the young guns by the throat.

Amare won't be called in to be the captain. What he will be called in to do is to get blocked shots, to get points in the paint, to get rebounds, and to get to the FT line and shoot a high percentage. He currently does all that better than MeTawn.

Obviously you are content with status quo, just like EG is, and that status quo means losing with overpaid and overhyped people.

You probably have a MeTawn jersey and that's probably the only reason you want him to stick around. Guess what? You probably look stupid with or without that jersey.

LMFAO!

I'm not going to debate .2 turnovers a game by Amare as opposed to Jamison. Find a PF that turned the ball over as much last season.

Yes they looked bad last season but what does that have to do with AMARE? Focus your point stupid. Amare and Butler with Blatche, McGee, Young, James/Daniels, Dixon, Pech, Songalia, McGuire, Crittenton, and Etan is STILL a lottery team.

Amare is a horrible defensive player, with a horrible attitude, on a gimpy knee, and had 2 eye surgeries if I'm not mistaken. He's constantly out of the lineup and now he wants a max contract as well...but you're talking about overhyped and overpaid? Are you serious? Really? If that's what you really think, you must have on a Gilbert Arenas jersey right now.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 4, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not going to debate .2 turnovers a game by Amare as opposed to Jamison. Find a PF that turned the ball over as much last season.

Yes they looked bad last season but what does that have to do with AMARE? Focus your point stupid. Amare and Butler with Blatche, McGee, Young, James/Daniels, Dixon, Pech, Songalia, McGuire, Crittenton, and Etan is STILL a lottery team.

Amare is a horrible defensive player, with a horrible attitude, on a gimpy knee, and had 2 eye surgeries if I'm not mistaken. He's constantly out of the lineup and now he wants a max contract as well...but you're talking about overhyped and overpaid? Are you serious? Really? If that's what you really think, you must have on a Gilbert Arenas jersey right now.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 4, 2009 5:30 PM "

You already did, and lost, and the sad thing was that you based your entire argument on this much ballyhooed TO stat.

Again, your math fails you. If it was only .2 turnovers, then how is that double MeTawn's of 1.75 vs. 2.58?

You again, are a complete moron. A lot of things that were lacking last season for Les BouleS, are Amare's strengths. They include shotblocking, high percentage shots, and toughness in the paint.

You must have slept through all of last season, or was busy doing B&D with your mom in the basement.

Amare being such a "horrible" defender would make him defensive player of the year on Les BouleS .

For example, Les BouleS have no shotblocking at the 4 spot. If Amare was here, he'd lead the team in career block average with 1.47/game and rebs at 9.0/game. He'd also be the team's best big man at the FT line, and gets there 7.8times/game, where Gilby makes it 7.4times/game, so you know Amare is not afraid of physical contact like your girl MeTawn.

Again, my stats and arguments trump you by a landslide. Go home with your tail between your legs and get some B&D with your moms.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 4, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

You already did, and lost, and the sad thing was that you based your entire argument on this much ballyhooed TO stat.

Again, your math fails you. If it was only .2 turnovers, then how is that double MeTawn's of 1.75 vs. 2.58?

You again, are a complete moron. A lot of things that were lacking last season for Les BouleS, are Amare's strengths. They include shotblocking, high percentage shots, and toughness in the paint.

You must have slept through all of last season, or was busy doing B&D with your mom in the basement.

Amare being such a "horrible" defender would make him defensive player of the year on Les BouleS .

For example, Les BouleS have no shotblocking at the 4 spot. If Amare was here, he'd lead the team in career block average with 1.47/game and rebs at 9.0/game. He'd also be the team's best big man at the FT line, and gets there 7.8times/game, where Gilby makes it 7.4times/game, so you know Amare is not afraid of physical contact like your girl MeTawn.

Again, my stats and arguments trump you by a landslide. Go home with your tail between your legs and get some B&D with your moms.

I'm not going on career numbers special boy.
Last season Jamisons TO's 1.54, Amare: 2.83
1.54 + 1.54 = 3.08
3.08 - 2.83 = .25

I'll do you a favor and round it up to .3 for you. You skip all of the important stuff. Amare has not been healthy, wants a max contract. He's not worth it. Stop ignoring the weaknesses. More often than not a turnover results in 2 points the other way. So that's 6-9 points a game just from turnovers. You take your gimpy half blind PF with a bad attitude. While Jamison has his flaws, I'll take him until they find someone better. You know who actually suits up and averages more than 62 games a season. And I don't know what B&D is, whatever you do in your personal time is your business and I'm not concerned. Stick to the basketball.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 5, 2009 12:44 AM | Report abuse

"I'm not going on career numbers special boy.
Last season Jamisons TO's 1.54, Amare: 2.83
1.54 + 1.54 = 3.08
3.08 - 2.83 = .25

I'll do you a favor and round it up to .3 for you. You skip all of the important stuff. Amare has not been healthy, wants a max contract. He's not worth it. Stop ignoring the weaknesses. More often than not a turnover results in 2 points the other way. So that's 6-9 points a game just from turnovers. You take your gimpy half blind PF with a bad attitude. While Jamison has his flaws, I'll take him until they find someone better. You know who actually suits up and averages more than 62 games a season. And I don't know what B&D is, whatever you do in your personal time is your business and I'm not concerned. Stick to the basketball.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 5, 2009 12:44 AM "

It's funny how you attempt to selectively pick and choose data to prop up your already weak arguments. Since when are players judged by one season's stats? Only someone as dumb as you would.

Going by your approach, then you should also agree that the trade for Eminem was gawdawful bad due his decreased 3 pt. shooting percentage and scoring average.

The most important stat for MeTawn last season was that his team went to the lottery as one of the worst teams in the league despite him being perfectly healthy.

B&D is what you and your mom do in the basement.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 5, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Just as your argument that "it doesn't matter that Jamison was a SF" it retarded in relation to his rebounding numbers. He's been a PF since he got to Washington.

- Amare missed more games in 3 separate seasons that Jamison has missed since he has been in Washington COMBINED.

- Amare had microfracture surgery and TWO eye surgeries.

- He's been described as a selfish, terrible teammate and a horrible defender.

- You keep saying that the Wizards were horrible and Jamsion was healthy. Yet you negate the fact that the majority of the rotation was NOT healthy. The roles people had to play were horrible.

- Amare played with Phoenix. A lot of people put up numbers in that system. Quentin Richardson anyone? The numbers will come down.

- BAD ATTITUDE, INJURY PRONE, MAX CONTRACT PLAYER, WITH NO DEFENSE...You have nothing to say about that.

- Answer the question. If you switch Amare for Jamison and have the same cast and same injuries, is the team any better?

And to answer your question about Mike Miller. He would STILL have been the best 3pt. shooter on the team. Jamison (who you say shouldnt be shooting them anyway) or maybe Mike James led the team last year. Foye AND Miller would have led the team. If Gilbert doesn't recover Foye can step in, likewise for Caron and Miller. If they don't work out then they can both leave. We can debate the trade as well...but I think you're over-valuing Amare a little too much.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 5, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"

Just as your argument that "it doesn't matter that Jamison was a SF" it retarded in relation to his rebounding numbers. He's been a PF since he got to Washington.

- Amare missed more games in 3 separate seasons that Jamison has missed since he has been in Washington COMBINED.

- Amare had microfracture surgery and TWO eye surgeries.

- He's been described as a selfish, terrible teammate and a horrible defender.

- You keep saying that the Wizards were horrible and Jamsion was healthy. Yet you negate the fact that the majority of the rotation was NOT healthy. The roles people had to play were horrible.

- Amare played with Phoenix. A lot of people put up numbers in that system. Quentin Richardson anyone? The numbers will come down.

- BAD ATTITUDE, INJURY PRONE, MAX CONTRACT PLAYER, WITH NO DEFENSE...You have nothing to say about that.

- Answer the question. If you switch Amare for Jamison and have the same cast and same injuries, is the team any better?

And to answer your question about Mike Miller. He would STILL have been the best 3pt. shooter on the team. Jamison (who you say shouldnt be shooting them anyway) or maybe Mike James led the team last year. Foye AND Miller would have led the team. If Gilbert doesn't recover Foye can step in, likewise for Caron and Miller. If they don't work out then they can both leave. We can debate the trade as well...but I think you're over-valuing Amare a little too much.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 5, 2009 1:57 PM "

To humor you, I'll do some calculations to prove you wrong again.

Since MeTawn has been here, he's averaged 8.82 rebs/game as a "PF." That means he's averaging .23 rebs/min.

Amare though, with 9 rebs/game at 34.4 min gives him .26 rebs/min.

If they both played 40 min in a game, MeTawn would get 9.1 rebs, while Amare would get 10.4 rebs.

Since you don't understand math, let me tell you that 10.4 rebs > 9.1 rebs.

This, to go along with Amare's better FG, FT, shot block, and trips to the line to go along with a higher career scoring average.

You are a bum if you think it's a valid excuse that even with two all stars on the team, that it was ok for Les BouleS to be statiscally the 2nd worst team in the league, although in reality, they were the worst.

Yeah, those guys can step in, and help take the team back into the lottery. With no inside scoring threat, Les BouleS 3 out side shooters won't get the looks that want.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 5, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Okay....you still ignore the majority of what I'm asking you. If Amare played 40 minutes he would get that...but he doesn't. In reality a large portion of the time he plays 0 minutes, because he's in a suit. Since you like averages so much, how many games a season does Amare average fro his career? 60 maybe? And you're ready to hand him a max contract? So I guess you were in favor of re-signing Gilbert?

- Amare missed more games in 3 separate seasons that Jamison has missed since he has been in Washington COMBINED.

- Amare had microfracture surgery and TWO eye surgeries.

- He's been described as a selfish, terrible teammate and a horrible defender.

- You keep saying that the Wizards were horrible and Jamsion was healthy. Yet you negate the fact that the majority of the rotation was NOT healthy. The roles people had to play were horrible.

- Amare played with Phoenix. A lot of people put up numbers in that system. Quentin Richardson anyone? The numbers will come down.

No answers for those? Give me an NBA team that loses 3 of the top 5 players including their best player and has a successful season. And you act like because he was an all-star player once or twice makes him a superstar. Caron went to one all-star game maybe? Mo Williams was an all-star. Being an all-star means nothing. If anything Butler and Jamison were made better by the presence of Gilbert. Neither one of them can carry a team.

Okur, Josh Howard, have been to all-star games and I know you don't think they would carry a team with 3 of the top 5 out. Be serious.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 5, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

"Okay....you still ignore the majority of what I'm asking you. If Amare played 40 minutes he would get that...but he doesn't. In reality a large portion of the time he plays 0 minutes, because he's in a suit. Since you like averages so much, how many games a season does Amare average fro his career? 60 maybe? And you're ready to hand him a max contract? So I guess you were in favor of re-signing Gilbert?

- Amare missed more games in 3 separate seasons that Jamison has missed since he has been in Washington COMBINED.

- Amare had microfracture surgery and TWO eye surgeries.

- He's been described as a selfish, terrible teammate and a horrible defender.

- You keep saying that the Wizards were horrible and Jamsion was healthy. Yet you negate the fact that the majority of the rotation was NOT healthy. The roles people had to play were horrible.

- Amare played with Phoenix. A lot of people put up numbers in that system. Quentin Richardson anyone? The numbers will come down.

No answers for those? Give me an NBA team that loses 3 of the top 5 players including their best player and has a successful season. And you act like because he was an all-star player once or twice makes him a superstar. Caron went to one all-star game maybe? Mo Williams was an all-star. Being an all-star means nothing. If anything Butler and Jamison were made better by the presence of Gilbert. Neither one of them can carry a team.

Okur, Josh Howard, have been to all-star games and I know you don't think they would carry a team with 3 of the top 5 out. Be serious.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 5, 2009 8:38 PM "

Amare would bring things to Les BouleS that MeTawn could never bring, and is better at many things that MeTawn is good at.

With regard to your question about "if a team loses 3 of their top 5 players..." Yes, I do have an example. They're called the Houston Rockets, sans TMac, sans Yao, and sans Rafer Alston. They still took LA to 7 games in the 2ND ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS!

Dude, you lose the stats argument, you lose the facts argument, and you lose the common sense argument.

Here's some advice. If the horse is dead, get off.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 5, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I'll end it with this since you lack any ability to back up your arguments with facts.

1. Houston lost Yao after Game 3 of the series with the Lakers.

2. Every team is better without T-Mac. Addition by subtraction. It's like getting rid of Zach Randolph.

3. They traded Alston for a reason. Brooks was playing better.

You're a retard. Once again, give me a team that lost it's best player, and 3 of thier top 5 and had a winning season. Since you know so much. Crunch some numbers and find that. Retard.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

"I'll end it with this since you lack any ability to back up your arguments with facts.

1. Houston lost Yao after Game 3 of the series with the Lakers.

2. Every team is better without T-Mac. Addition by subtraction. It's like getting rid of Zach Randolph.

3. They traded Alston for a reason. Brooks was playing better.

You're a retard. Once again, give me a team that lost it's best player, and 3 of thier top 5 and had a winning season. Since you know so much. Crunch some numbers and find that. Retard.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2009 8:21 AM "

I'm surprised you know how to spell "facts." It seems foreign to you.

If every team is better without TMac, then Les BouleS are better without Gilby since they had the exact same level of success without him. Surely, this doesn't justify a max money contract.

In any regard, I noted a team that lost 3 of 5 players and still did well.

They traded Alston b/c they knew Alston would ask for a big contract.

You are a complete retard who has no good arguments or facts to back your ridiculous commments.

Do yourself a favor and learn some basic arithmetic and buy a calculator while you're at it.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 6, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm surprised you know how to spell "facts." It seems foreign to you.

If every team is better without TMac, then Les BouleS are better without Gilby since they had the exact same level of success without him. Surely, this doesn't justify a max money contract.

In any regard, I noted a team that lost 3 of 5 players and still did well.

They traded Alston b/c they knew Alston would ask for a big contract.

You are a complete retard who has no good arguments or facts to back your ridiculous commments.

Do yourself a favor and learn some basic arithmetic and buy a calculator while you're at it.

You have absolutely no credibility whatsoever and anybody that reads this and any of your past posts knows it. You say the Wizards have had as much success without Gilbert as with him? If I recall they made the 2nd round of the playoffs WITH him. Without? Not so much. Has T-Mac EVER been out of the 1st round? Shut up.


The Rockets were without Yao for 4 games. Stand hiding behind words. Gil, Brendan and Stevenson were basically gone the entire season. Not 4 games. Houston TRADED Alston. He was not injured. And he isn't a FA until next year. If it was about money they wouldve saved him and traded him this year as an expiring contract dummy.

So losing in the 2nd round is doing good? The only player they lost for an extended period was T-Mac. Funny that they get out of the 2nd round for the first time WITHOUT HIM. You avoid questions you cant answer. I asked you 4 questions about Amare you didnt answer 3 times. I told you to find a team where 3 of 5 starters were out basically the entire season and had a successful season and you can't. It doesn't happen. Yao missing 4 games? A journeyman PG getting traded so someone else can play? It's not the same. go put your helmet back on.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

"The Rockets were without Yao for 4 games. Stand hiding behind words. Gil, Brendan and Stevenson were basically gone the entire season. Not 4 games. Houston TRADED Alston. He was not injured. And he isn't a FA until next year. If it was about money they wouldve saved him and traded him this year as an expiring contract dummy.

So losing in the 2nd round is doing good? The only player they lost for an extended period was T-Mac. Funny that they get out of the 2nd round for the first time WITHOUT HIM. You avoid questions you cant answer. I asked you 4 questions about Amare you didnt answer 3 times. I told you to find a team where 3 of 5 starters were out basically the entire season and had a successful season and you can't. It doesn't happen. Yao missing 4 games? A journeyman PG getting traded so someone else can play? It's not the same. go put your helmet back on.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 6, 2009 8:35 PM "

I thought you were done. Too predictable.

It absolutely does not matter that MeShawn and Gilby were gone last season. They've made the playoffs without them.

What matters is Les BouleS, with 2 all stars and 3 other guys that EG either drafted or got via FA made it to the lottery in the mediocre east.

Who said Rafer Alston was injured or traded? I said he wasn't on the team, and they still compensated for him, and he was a quality starter for them for 3.5 years with decent numbers. They got rid of him because they didn't want to pay him after this season.

You obviously are going off on a tangent because you were already stomped on with my favorable comparison of Amare over MeTawn. Live with it.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 6, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

You're stupid.
Find me a season when the Wizards made the playoffs without Gilbert and DeShawn.

This all-star thing is stupid. Jamaal Magloire was an all-star so we should be in a rush to pick him up eh?

ONCE AGAIN...FIND A TEAM WHERE 3 OF THE TOP 5 PLAYERS WERE GONE FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON INCLUDING THE FRANCHISE PLAYER AND THEY HAD A SUCCESSFUL SEASON. Take any teams starting backcourt and C and see how that works out for you.

You're stupid. Alston was moved to make room for Aaron Brooks. Yeah decent numbers for a PG is shooting 11 and 6 shooting 38%

You never answered any of the Amare questions and you won't. That's how we ended up here.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 7, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

i most definitely agree with SDMDTSU's argument against the team pursuing amare stoudemire. especially with a huge contract. amare's injury history is formidable. and he does have a reputation for not playing defense and being selfish. it is true that jamison shoots too many shots beyond his optimum range, and that he also puts up too many soft floaters. but compared to stoudemire, i'd much rather have him on my team. stoudemire may be more athletically gifted, but he is oft-injured, lacks almost any concept of how to play TEAM ball.

Posted by: dcjazzman | July 7, 2009 3:07 AM | Report abuse

i most definitely agree with SDMDTSU's argument against the team pursuing amare stoudemire. especially with a huge contract. amare's injury history is formidable. and he does have a reputation for not playing defense and being selfish. it is true that jamison shoots too many shots beyond his optimum range, and that he also puts up too many soft floaters. but compared to stoudemire, i'd much rather have him on my team. stoudemire may be more athletically gifted, but he is oft-injured, lacks almost any concept of how to play TEAM ball.

Posted by: dcjazzman | July 7, 2009 3:12 AM | Report abuse

"You're stupid.
Find me a season when the Wizards made the playoffs without Gilbert and DeShawn.

This all-star thing is stupid. Jamaal Magloire was an all-star so we should be in a rush to pick him up eh?

ONCE AGAIN...FIND A TEAM WHERE 3 OF THE TOP 5 PLAYERS WERE GONE FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON INCLUDING THE FRANCHISE PLAYER AND THEY HAD A SUCCESSFUL SEASON. Take any teams starting backcourt and C and see how that works out for you.

You're stupid. Alston was moved to make room for Aaron Brooks. Yeah decent numbers for a PG is shooting 11 and 6 shooting 38%

You never answered any of the Amare questions and you won't. That's how we ended up here.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | July 7, 2009 12:15 AM "

You are so ridiculously stupid that it's both sad and funny.

Are you talking about Gilby, BTH, and MeShawn as "GONE FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON?"

For your information, MeShawn played 32 games last season, and by that time, Les BouleS were already 7-25! He sucked since the previous season, and Les BouleS, because they suck, didn't have anyone better to put in the starting lineup after they let Mason walk.

What you can't figure out is that with 2 healthy and highly paid all stars on a team, along with veterans (DSong, Juan Dixon, AB, etc) and supposedly capable youth drafted by EG (Opech, NY, DMac, etc.) they still couldn't help being the 2nd worst team in the league, statistically speaking!

You have never been able to provide a valid argument against the stats that Amare has put up much better than MeTawn.

In fact, you can't even do simple math and base your argument against a player because of one season of turnovers that you incorrectly thought was "twice the number of turnovers compared to MeTawn!!!" How stupid are you? Very!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 7, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

"it is true that jamison shoots too many shots beyond his optimum range, and that he also puts up too many soft floaters. but compared to stoudemire, i'd much rather have him on my team. stoudemire may be more athletically gifted, but he is oft-injured, lacks almost any concept of how to play TEAM ball.

Posted by: dcjazzman | July 7, 2009 3:12 AM "

Funny how you contradict yourself by saying Amare is selfish while MeTawn plays "team ball" but "shoots too many shots beyond his optimum range," and "puts up too many soft floaters."

You also mentioned that Amare has "a reputation of not playing defense," but with MeTawn, it's not just a reputation, it's a fact.

So funny!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | July 7, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

The comments to this entry are closed.

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2010 The Washington Post Company