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These really are the dog days of the NBA summer, because there is very little going on. Fabricio Oberto is expected to finally make it official and sign with the Washington Wizards this week. But the Wizards are getting considerable buzz around the web, with many national writers buying into the hype around a possible turnaround for the local five.

Vince Thomas of Slam Magazine wrote a column for NBA.com about how he expects the Wizards and Los Angeles Clippers to be two of the most pleasant surprises of the 2009-10 season. Thomas said he thought both teams could possibly win 50 games: "The Wiz will play three All-Stars (Gil, Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison), a stopper (Deshawn Stevenson), one of the better young combo guards in the league (Randy Foye), a long-range bomber (Mike Miller), a rising scorer (Nick Young) and a center (Haywood) that can average close to a double-double. Both rosters are among the league's 16 best -- period. That means what? Playoffs. Yeah, I said it."

ESPN.com's John Hollinger offered a breakdown of the player movement in the Eastern Conference. Hollinger had the Wizards under the category of Mystery Meat, along with the Toronto Raptors, but said, "Only one offseason move can allay my cynicism, and that's the hiring of Flip Saunders. Yes, he's had some playoff failures, but the dude wins ... If somehow Arenas can regain his old form, it might all work out spectacularly well."

David Aldridge of TNT and NBA.com rated the Wizards with the sixth-best offseason, but said that aside from the additions of Miller and Foye, the key to the Wizards will be Arenas: "Well, duh. The Wizards are a lottery team without him; a second-round team with him. Simple as that."

Sports Illustrated.com's Scott Howard-Cooper gave the Wizards an "A" for their offseason moves and added, "The Wizards set themselves up to make the biggest jump in the league, from an injury-induced 19-63 last season to at least .500 and the playoffs in 2009-10."

And finally, SI.com's Steve Aschburner spoke with Flip Saunders about restoring some playoff glory for the Wizards. Saunders had some interesting things to say, but his most entertaining comments were about President Obama. Saunders said his goal is to get Obama to switch his allegiance from the Chicago Bulls to his new hometown team: "I think I'm just going to challenge him to play me in 1-on-1," Saunders said. "Now he's a lot younger than me [actually, Saunders is 54, Obama just turned 48] and he's building a court over there. But if I beat him, he's going to have to go with the Wizards."

By Michael Lee  |  August 10, 2009; 9:04 AM ET
 
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Same Hollinger that murdered the Wiz the past 3 seasons. Go figure

Posted by: OwlWiz | August 10, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

the key to the wiz this season is the play of their big men. haywood needs to double up, mcgee needs to step up, and blache needs to show up.

Posted by: mopp04 | August 10, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

I wish the best for the Wiz this season. They are my home team, and I have much love for the organization.

However, I am not sure if our team is mentally strong enough to go the distance.

I agree with the 'mystery meat' reference. I hope they prove me wrong.

Posted by: abootstrapper | August 10, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Hollinger is a meathead.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | August 10, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

If blatche has the kind of year that kevin garnet had two years ago the zards should win the title

Posted by: wizRjizz | August 10, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

If Blatche averages a solid 15 points,8-9 rebounds, and does it every night this is going to be a team that can run deep into the playoffs.

People need to quit hanging the Garnett comparisons on Andre. Yeah, I know, it was tongue in cheek, to get a few laughs. But if he just becomes a solid enough forward to force his way into the lineup,and turn Jamison into high scoring forward to come of the bench, this will be a deadly team.

I think it could be even more likely that McGee could leapfrog over Blatche by the end of the year. Not that I'm saying Blatche is a bum, like some on the site.

I believe Blatche's potential is much more aligned to be a solid NBA starter that's really not that likely to be a big star. I guy who's upside is in that 18/8-9 range.

But McGee could have a much higher upside, we might be a couple of years from seeing it. He could start to "blowup" this year. He's had a very good summer, and has been exposed to a lot of good coaching.

Haywood is could be the "odd man out" next summer. It will make things interesting with so many guys playing for a contract on this team.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | August 10, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"Hollinger is a meathead"

He's a mystery meathead.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 10, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

"Well, duh. The Wizards are a lottery team without him; a second-round team with him. Simple as that."

Not really that simple. With the addition of Foye and Miller and everyone else healthy the Wizards could still make it to the first round of the playoffs. Definitely not a lottery team.

Posted by: midlevex | August 10, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"Well, duh. The Wizards are a lottery team without him (Arenas); a second-round team with him. Simple as that."

Not really that simple. With the addition of Foye and Miller and everyone else healthy the Wizards could still make it to the first round of the playoffs without Arenas. Definitely not a lottery team.

Posted by: midlevex | August 10, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

'But if he just becomes a solid enough forward to force his way into the lineup,and turn Jamison into high scoring forward to come of the bench, this will be a deadly team.'

Jamison will have to turn 40 before AB is capable of beating him out.

Posted by: divi3 | August 10, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Should be a good season with a solid 9-10 man rotation.

Posted by: Gooddad | August 10, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Looking at the east, cleveland, orlando, boston, atlanta, detroit and miami are locks to make the playoffs....philly, toronto and chitown should be in the mix too...so if the wizkidz make the playoffs which team do you guys think will get bumped out?

Posted by: wizRjizz | August 10, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

locks
Atlanta
Boston
Chicago
Cleveland
Orlando
Toronto
Washington

Indy, Philly and Detroit battle for #8.

Miami will make the lottery.

Posted by: G-Man11 | August 10, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

The East is pretty much wide open. Barring injury, Cleveland, Orlando, and Boston are the only teams that are likely to be sure playoff teams. Everybody else is in a dogfight.

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 10, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Jamison could become a classic 6th man, Red Aurbach often had his second best player be his first man off the bench.

Blatche wouldn't have to play well enough to "beat Jamison out" to make the move work. He'd have to play well enough to bring more length,lowpost defense,and ability to set picks to the starting unit. Along with enough scoring down low to balance the floor by being a legit lowpost threat. Watching summer league games, that seemed to be Blatche's "To Do" list.

That would allow Jamison to become a veteran scorer off the bench and help stabilize the second unit along with Miller. Jamison's lack of real power forward size wouldn't be such a defensive liability if he would be used in a bench role.

Jamison/McGee would give a veteran/youngster pairing off the bench, and Haywood's experience could help Blatche in the starting lineup.

If Blatche could become a player that gives a more consistant effort and could be an upgrade over Jamison in defending the lane, it is a move that could improve the team.

The upside for Jamison is that he could become more productive in less minutes and would be fresh for the 4th quarter.

He'd also become the "go to guy" off the bench with the offense often going through him in the second quarter. Miller and Young could help space the floor to open up the lane for Jamison's quick moves in the lane. Against other team's benches Jamison could be lethal.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | August 10, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

flohrtv

I like the idea, if Jamison would by into it. You know what they say, "it don't matter who starts, but who finishes". Blatche could steal some early minutes, and hopefully boost his confidence and consistency, while Jamison could come in as another weapon off the bench.

Posted by: G-Man11 | August 10, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I would think AB has to play at near 6th man of the year levels before Flip considers starting him over Jamison.

Posted by: divi3 | August 10, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

If the players stay healthy, I believe this season will comes down to Flip . If he can figure out how to keep the vets fresh (for the playoffs)and mix in the young guys and not destroy the team chemistry then they have a chance to be a 4th or 5th seed behind Bos, Clev, and Orl (I still think Atl is a better team).

If they get lucky with who they have to play in the 1st round they might even make it to the 2nd round.

If they get really lucky maybe the western conference will start their own league and they can win a championship?

Considering how agressive the Lakers have been during the off season there is no way the Wizards could beat them if both teams are healthy. Ernie should have spent the MLE for a better player than Oberto and that would have made this a lot better team, but we all know Abe wouldn't allow that to happen.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | August 10, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I doubt there's any chance of Saunders bringing Jamison off the bench unless someone steps up and flat outperforms him for the starting PF role. I don't see any reason to expect Blatche to do that.

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 10, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

'Considering how agressive the Lakers have been during the off season there is no way the Wizards could beat them if both teams are healthy.'

yet if we had used the MLE we could have beat them???

But really tho, who gives a rat's arse about the Lakers? Teams in our own conference are enough to worry about.

Posted by: divi3 | August 10, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Looking at the east, cleveland, orlando, boston, atlanta, detroit and miami are locks to make the playoffs....philly, toronto and chitown should be in the mix too...so if the wizkidz make the playoffs which team do you guys think will get bumped out?

I wouldn't necessarily say Miami and Detroit are locks. I mean Miami has Dwayne Wade and a bunch of young cats. Detroit has definitely lost their mojo. They've got a no name coach and Ben Gordon and Villanueuva have been found wanting.

Posted by: thecomedian1 | August 10, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Detroit isn't a sure thing by any means, but I don't think that Gordon or Villanueva have been found wanting anything yet. Gordon is a proven scorer on playoff caliber teams. Villanueva put up solid numbers on a bad Milwaukee team, but it remains to be seen how that translates to a playoff contender. Both are still young. It's way too early to close the book on either one.

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 10, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

All of these writers are looking to the past, and therefore expect something bad to happen or further underperformance to occur this season.

However, the make-up of the team is different, starting with the coach and coaching staff. Given that, the questions then become:

Will the players, particularly Arenas, buy into the new approach?

Will the coaches be able to get consistent performance and improvement from AB, NY and possibly McGee?

If you assume that Saunders will get the most out of the talent on the roster (which is likely given his history), then all of a sudden the Wiz are as solid as any team in the East.

That means 50 wins and home court advantage in the first round. After that, anything can happen. Ask Lebron.

Posted by: Izman | August 10, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

According to FoxSports.com, Glen Davis has agreed to a two-year deal with Boston that will pay him approximately $6 million.

divi3

See it's about putting the best players on the court that a team can. Boston is over the luxury cap but the owner and Ainge understand what it takes to win a championship!

Would you rather have Oberto (someone who San Antonio and Detroit didn't want) or Davis, who is 23, averaged 15.8 points and 5.6 rebounds in the playoffs?

Davis would have cost the Wizards their whole MLE and that is the reason the Wizards ended up with Oberto.

But who cares?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | August 10, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Villanohair is the real deal, imho. Only time will of course tell, but the Pistons arent a lock for anything this year.

Posted by: divi3 | August 10, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Not a single team in the league put an offer on Fatty Davis, who was a restricted FA.

Does 'cheap abe' run all the teams? Or is there some other reason no GM in the entire nba saw fit to go after Davis?

Honest question here

Posted by: divi3 | August 10, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, the 'locks' for the playoffs are only Orlando, Cleveland, and Boston. Washington, Atlanta, Toronto, and Philly are probably jostling for position in the middle. Chicago, Miami, and Detroit will be battling for that last spot. This is all based upon healthy teams, of course. If Miami ends up landing Boozer, or Beasley takes a big leap, I'd throw them up into the middle pack. Philly, who had been improving the last couple years, could easily take a step back this year considering they lost their only real PG, but Eddie Jordan's Princeton scheme could help offset that some.

Posted by: segastyle | August 10, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

No other team made Davis an offer because everyone knew that (A) he's not a guy worth overpaying for and (B) the Celtics would match any amount they were actually willing to offer him. If that reported amount is true, I'd bet that it's more than anyone else would have considered offering him.

And comparing Davis's re-signing to Oberto's acquisition is a red herring. Davis was the Celtics own restricted FA, Oberto was an outside guy. If there's any comparison to be made it's between the Wiz spendingg table scraps on Oberto and the Celtics spending table scraps on Shelden Williams, both cheap insurance policies likely to have little to no impact. And of the two, I'd rather have Oberto (he said, damning with faint praise).

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 10, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

As for Jamison vs Blatche, you have one major problem. Of all our players, Jamison is the most consistent, both on the court, and health-wise. You know what he's going to do offensively, and from where on the floor he's going to do it. You know what he can and can't do defensively, and that doesn't change from game to game. That allows a coach to at least put a scheme in place, that helps minimize his shortcomings and maximize his positives.

If you don't know if a guy is going to have injury affect his play, like Arenas or Butler, or if a guy is going to play like a young beast one night and a lost soul another night (Blatche, McGee, and Young), it's very difficult to help them on the court with a scheme.

I think Blatche and McGee will get plenty of time on the court this year, even without starting. With Arenas back at point, and Foye also back there, this team is going to be much more uptempo than it was the last two seasons, and running the floor and finishing are two things both Blatche and McGee do very well.

Posted by: segastyle | August 10, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Before AB entertains visions of supplanting Antawn, he'd better check his rearview for Mcgee. Objects are closer than they appear!

Posted by: divi3 | August 10, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Blatch, Young & McGee are the keys. If the starters can stay healthy and we can get one or two of these 3 to make a major leap in their development the sky's the limit.
These 3 are cursed with talent & "POTENTIAL". they can get by on the talent but if they could develop that talent and work to reach that potential this team would give "any" other fits.

Posted by: VBFan | August 10, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Not sold on Villanueva. He was traded twice and the freakin' Bucks thought he was expendable.

Gordon is the six inch shorter version of Jamison. When he gets the ball, he's not passing it back. Shoots way to many poor shots and raises questions if he's a starter or not.

'Cause if he's not, I really don't see why the Pistons paid him all that bread.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 10, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"See it's about putting the best players on the court that a team can. Boston is over the luxury cap but the owner and Ainge understand what it takes to win a championship!"

How'd that work out for them last year? How's that working out for the Knicks recently?

The goal for the Wizards has to be to get back into the playoffs and do it while healthy with a balanced roster. If they get that far, they just hope for a little run. That's basically the same as any team that has a core roster that can make a run.

All of these "lock" teams are still completely dependent on their superstar player staying healthy. If Lebron, DWade, or Dwight goes down for an extended period or during the playoffs the whole situation changes.

Posted by: jon_quest | August 10, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

"Gordon is the six inch shorter version of Jamison. When he gets the ball, he's not passing it back. Shoots way to many poor shots and raises questions if he's a starter or not."

Actually, Gordon is a career 44% FG shooter and 42% 3pt shooter. Those are good percentages for a smallish jumpshooting guard.

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 10, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Vince Thomas's "top 16 team" prediction lacks testosterone.

It would be a lot more ballsy for him to go against the conventional wisdom in either direction with a good supporting argument (e.g. "top 8" or even "don't make the playoffs"). It would be interesting to hear his reasoning under those circumstances.

On paper, top 16 seems like a very, very conservative hedge. That's kind of like saying "I expect the Washington Redskins to win AT LEAST 3 games this year".

Posted by: JPRS | August 10, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I don't see Blatche supplanting Jamison as a starter, although a good season could set him up for such a role next year.

I listened to Brendan's radio show last week, and was glad to hear him call out Blatche. The other host asked who needed to have a break out year, and Brendan said it was definitely Blatche. He said if Blatche can live up to his potential and be consistent, the team could really take another step given Blatche's ability to play multiple positions and cause match-up problems.

It was a lot like what Jamison and the coaching staff have continually said, but I'm glad its all still ringing in Blatche's ears, because I still have high hopes for the kid.

Granted, I was a Kwame fan for the first year also...

Posted by: ManuteBogues | August 10, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Not sold on Villanueva. He was traded twice and the freakin' Bucks thought he was expendable.

Gordon is the six inch shorter version of Jamison. When he gets the ball, he's not passing it back. Shoots way to many poor shots and raises questions if he's a starter or not.

'Cause if he's not, I really don't see why the Pistons paid him all that bread.

My sentiments exactly. The folks who pick these "locks" always pick the same teams. Like do they even look at their rosters. Detroit, for instance, traded Chauncey Billups. Ben Wallace was in his prime when he played for them and they were real "locks" then. They've got nothing now so how can they be considered a lock. The Piston uniforms?

Posted by: thecomedian1 | August 10, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Often a coach doesn't start his 5 best players, or even start the best player at each position.

With the perimeter firepower that Arenas, Butler, and Foye (or Miller) will provide, the Wiz starting lineup could use a power forward or center with a lowpost game to provide some inside/outside balance to space the floor.

Jamison is a great scorer and gets a lot of points in the paint. But more on quick moves swooping to the paint. He seems to thrive when the offense flows through him and sure isn't a guy that can survive without a lot of looks.

Defensively Gil and Foye will struggle with really quick points, but a combo of Blatche and Haywood could be effective at shutting down the lane. That would allow the rest of the team not to collapse so much and then giving up easy threes.

If Blatche can improve in the areas that Flip has him working on, it would make sense to use Jamison in a 6th man role.

Blatche doesn't have to play better then Jamison, just bring different strengths to the table.

For anybody that watched the summer league games, it seemed clear that Suanders had given each of the young vets a "to do" list. They were all concentrating on improving segments of their game.

For the most part Blatche did a better job of working in the post and getting down low with his back to the basket. He also seemed more deligent about moving his feet and getting in position for the screen.

Doesn't mean he's ready to start, but it's an indication that he's got an idea about what skills he needs to work on to get ready, to be ready to start.

That's a step in the right direction from years past. It was Jamison who said, "Blatche should be pushing me to start" two years ago.

This should be the camp that he applies some pressure. If he does, this is a far better team.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | August 10, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

'This should be the camp that he applies some pressure. If he does, this is a far better team.
GM'

I may be way off base, but I am hoping Blatche's career starts when he feels some pressure. Namely to the tune of Mcgee pushing him for minutes in the way Pech never could. When your nickname is "summer league" and your 20 year old teamate gets invited to Team USA camp rather than you...it's put up or shutup time. I like the idea of Blatche's minutes no longer being a given for him, and Flip making it clear pt will have to be earned. That's half the battle for AB, bringing it every night rather than every other night.

This is going to be an uber-competitive camp, will do nothing but good for the team too

Posted by: divi3 | August 10, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Considering Jamison's consistency and AB's lack of it, I couldn't see Saunders even considering starting AB over AJ A coach needs to know what he's going to get out of his starters and Jamision also provides the oncourt leadership that is often lacking from Arenas. Blatche should be the first bigman off the bench, either playing for Jamison or Haywood depending on the matchup. If a backup plays poorly for 4-5 minutes, it's a lot easier to yank him than a starter who is expected to play most of the 1st and 3rd quarters.

Also, Jamision's offensive skills including his ability to hit the 3 mesh well with both Agent Zero and Butler. His defensive deficiencies are masked when he plays with Heywood as he has for most of his career. Not to mention that AJ's the most durable of all of the Wizards' players.

Posted by: wizfan89 | August 10, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

"I may be way off base, but I am hoping Blatche's career starts when he feels some pressure. "

Agreed. I think a big part of his problem up until now was complacency. He felt too comfortable in his role because he knew there was no one coming up behind him challenging him. That being said, there's no guarantee that pressure and competition will produce better results.

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 10, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

...Ernie didnt really add any new dimensons to the Wiz, rather he added insurance for three of his top players--GA, BH, and CB.

Posted by: oddjob1 | August 10, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Miller & Foye add another dimension in that one is very likely to start at the two.

Miller also brings the dimension of having been a proven 6th man and a scoring option off bench with real 3 pt range. That's something this team sorely lacked when Mason left.

Butler only averages something like 65 games a year, so having a backup that can pick up the scoring load is important.
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | August 10, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

funny how no medai outlets are really going off about the two pro hockey players that beat the breaks off a cab driver for not having their 20 cents change.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | August 10, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

And of the two...(Davis or Oberto), I'd rather have Oberto (he said, damning with faint praise).

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 10, 2009 1:39 PM

You would have taken Juan over Mason last year also. Abe really does tell you what to write on here...and I was joking when I first wrote that?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | August 10, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

indefensible. i can't wait for the backup argument

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | August 10, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

GM you are on point about AB. For several years we've known that Dallas was right in locking AJ into that 6th man role. I've seen him as a John Havilicek-type leader who thrived in the bench role like no one I have seen since. But until Blatche or someone else steps up AJ has to start. We can only hope. I am sure it won't happen in October. But by March??? Maybe. If it does it will be a sign that AB has finally gotten it together!

I agree with many that Detroit is heading south and Atlanta has to prove to us they can advance. They have the talent. But that's not enough. The Cavs and Magic will take steps backwards in my opinion. I still think Celts are clearly the team to beat in the East. They now have Wallace and a healthy KG. If any team can win 65-70 games again it is that bunch up north.

So I see this as the Celts and then everybody else... 6-7 other teams with Toronto, Heat and Bulls in the mix. Could we jump into the 2 slot? Why not? We could get off to a 12-3 start before anybody even notices it! It'll come down to Gilbert, improved D, Flip's rotation decisions and team chemistry.

With a healthy Gil, I can actually right now more easily imagine us in the 2 spot before imagining us out of the playoffs. I hope I have the same confidence after training camp.

BmoreRev

Posted by: stanlong23 | August 10, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

"You would have taken Juan over Mason last year also."

Not that we needed it, but more proof that you're a fool who has absolutely no idea what the hell he's talking about.

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 10, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Not that we needed it, but more proof that you're a fool who has absolutely no idea what the hell he's talking about.

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 10, 2009 8:43 PM

Oberto career stats

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/fabricio_oberto/career_stats.html

3.9 RPG 3.6 PPG

Davis career stats

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3200

3.8 RPG 5.8 PPG

With Garnett out Davis played 14 playoff games and his stats were

5.6 RPG 15.8 PPG

isn't that why you sign a backup in case somebody gets hurt?


Let's see Ainge won a championship as GM and Ernie has none...I would put my faith in Ainge knows more about basketball than either one of us.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | August 10, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

bulletsfan78,

You never explained how come not one GM in the entire nba offered Big Fatty a contract. Why was that? 'Cheap Abe' is contagious or something?

Or is it like kal said, it was known the Cs would match any offer up to a certain dollar amount, and NOT A SINGLE GM IN THE NBA believed Fatty was worth more than what the Cs just paid him.

Again, honest question here

Posted by: divi3 | August 10, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Here's the hard truth about AB- he's yet to show he is good enough to carry Jamison's jock.

On one hand you have a 20/8 career player who has logged heavy minutes everywhere but once in Dallas when he was 6th MOY. A guy who dropped 50 in consecutive nights once, played in almost 400 consecutive games, all-star, team leader, consummate pro, etc, etc

On the other you have....well, we all know.

Here's to hoping AB has a breakout year, because if he becomes a player of AJs caliber this team is suddenly loaded for bear!

However I'm not gonna hold my breath just yet friends

Posted by: divi3 | August 10, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

And what, exactly, do the career stats of Oberto and Davis have to do with your stinking horsecrap of a claim that I preferred Dixon over Mason? Why, not a goddamned thing, of course. It's just another of your half-assed attempts at deflection when you realized you've been caught with your pants down. (Don't know what the big deal is though; it's not like you've got anything down there worth hiding.)

You didn't really think you'd get away with that did you? (I'd say you can't possibly be that stupid, but we all know better by now.)

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 10, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

And, for the record, (not that you can actually read the record) no one's arguing that Oberto is a better player than Davis. The point is that for what he brings and what the Wizards need, Davis isn't even close to what it would have cost them to pry him away from the Celtics. If he were, someone else would have done it.

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 10, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

And, for the record, (not that you can actually read the record) no one's arguing that Oberto is a better player than Davis. The point is that for what he brings and what the Wizards need, Davis isn't even close to what it would have cost them to pry him away from the Celtics. If he were, someone else would have done it.

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 10, 2009 10:23 PM

And of the two...(Davis or Oberto), I'd rather have Oberto (he said, damning with faint praise).

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 10, 2009 1:39 PM

I don't have to prove my point, all I have to do is wait and let you prove it for me.

Like you said for what it would "co$t" the Wizards (just like signing Juan instead of Mason) it wasn't worth signing the better player?

But the quote that stood out to me is the one where (Flip) defended his eight-man rotation:

"When you start playing too many players, what happens is no one gets in to any kind of flow. My philosophy's always been you play eight players, nine and ten play when you have some foul trouble which you're always gonna usually have in a game. If you're eleven and twelve, you better be working to get to nine and ten."

Flip he really stumbled while trying to pronounce the name of the soon-to-be free agent pickup, Fabricio Oberto. Saunders called him, "Fab Obricio."

By reading Flips comments he doesn't even plan on playing your guy.

Davis would have brought some toughness to the front line which is what the Wizards need and you don't get from the power forwards (AJ and AB).

I'm sure the Boston fans are happy you aren't the GM of the Cetics.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | August 10, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

divi3

The good teams went out and signed unresricted free agents who they thought were better than Davis

San Antonio A. McDyess
Orlando B. Bass
Clevland Varejao
LA Odom

The difference is the Wizards base their player moves on $$$$$$ and not sense and that's the reason they didn't use their MLE this year!

Look at the list of team payrolls and you can tell which teams want to win a championship and which teams are happy by just making the playoffs.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | August 11, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

"By reading Flips comments he doesn't even plan on playing your guy. "

(A) He's not my guy and (B) I said when they signed him that he wasn't going to play much (if at all) and that he was only an insurance policy. So, as usual, you really have no point. You're just talking to get the crap out of your mouth to make room for a fresh supply.

Of course, you still haven't addressed my actual question (there's a shock). What does any of this have to do with your documented bulls**t claim that I wanted Dixon over Mason?

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 11, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

To sign Davis to the MLE (which is likely what they would have had to do to get him away from the Celtics) would have cost about $12 mil when you factor in the luxury tax. Davis is not $12 mill worth of player. As for him adding "toughness" to the front line . . . HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Davis is not an inside player. He scored all of those points by parking his fat ass 15 feet from the basket and waiting for someone to double team Garnett (when he was healthy), Pierce, Allen, Rondo, or Perkins so he could get the kickout. He's an undersized, floor bound jumpshooting PF. He's a shorter, fatter, slower version of Antawn Jamison. Guess what? We've already got a better version of Antawn Jamison, so we don't really need another.

Posted by: kalo_rama | August 11, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

I've been saying for years now that if the Wiz are ever to be "true" championship contender that AJ would likely have to be coming off the bench and I totally agree with all the logical reason as to why. However, it simply is not going to happen and it certainly is not going to happen this year. Flip is not going to come in and replace a solid professional consistent veteran all-star level player like Jamison just to see if it could work and risk alienating Jamison and the team for that matter. AB would have to play out of his mind for an entire season for the move to be justified or Jamison would have to really go down hill in a hurry. Neither is likely to happen even to justify a change in starters in time for next season. But, AB turning it into a more reasonable argument in the near future would be nice!

Bulletsfan, can you complete a single entry without a "cheap" Abe reference? Your tiresome and an unoriginal retread.

divi3,

No reasoning with the unreasonable. The whole point to his posts is to find an angle where he can work in his "cheap" Abe comment whether it makes real sense or not is immaterial. In do so, he consistently makes himself look like an idiot and a racist.


Posted by: rphilli721 | August 11, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

...Ernie didnt really add any new dimensons to the Wiz, rather he added insurance for three of his top players--GA, BH, and CB.

Posted by: oddjob1 | August 10, 2009 4:07 PM
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Ernie didn't really add anything, but he "added insurance?" Classic doublespeak. It's called depth and in Miller, Foye he got more than just "insurance." He got two players sure to be in the regular rotation.

Posted by: rphilli721 | August 11, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

'In do so, he consistently makes himself look like an idiot and a racist.'

That latter point kind of stinks through, just terrible. Link shows Wiz as having the #8 payroll and Abe is cheap? After signing Gil to how much? Ugly stuff.

'It's called depth and in Miller, Foye he got more than just "insurance." He got two players sure to be in the regular rotation.'

Agree 100%. Miller can play 3 positions in a pinch, while Foye will log heavy minutes and be more productive than any player we could have drafted 5th.

Posted by: divi3 | August 11, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Of course, if all these experts are wrong as they usually are, then it'll just be swept under the rug and business as usual as they continued to get paid to give out best guesses.

Nothing new there.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | August 11, 2009 1:24 AM | Report abuse

San Antonio A. McDyess
Orlando B. Bass
Clevland Varejao
LA Odom

....you really think any of these players would have signed with the Wiz over S.A., Orl., Clev. or LA for the Wiz's midlevel exception?
What are you smoking? And please pass it along.

Posted by: oddjob2 | August 11, 2009 7:01 AM | Report abuse

If the success of the upcoming season is even partially dependent upon McGee stepping up his game to challenge Blatche for minutes off the bench, then lottery hear we come. Please, someone tell me one thing that McGee did well last year other than block a few shots and throw down a few dunks during garbage time? The answer is nothing. He doesn't do anything well except display incredible leaping ability, and he only does that when no one has a body on him. He may be an impact player down the road, but to suggest that he can make an impact this year ignores his performance last year, unless you believe NBA basketball is nothing more than a glorified AND1 tourney.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | August 11, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

"He scored all of those points by parking his fat ass 15 feet from the basket and waiting for someone to double team Garnett (when he was healthy), Pierce, Allen, Rondo, or Perkins so he could get the kickout. He's an undersized, floor bound jumpshooting PF. He's a shorter, fatter, slower version of Antawn Jamison. Guess what? We've already got a better version of Antawn Jamison, so we don't really need another."

LOL. How true.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 11, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

"Please, someone tell me one thing that McGee did well last year other than block a few shots and throw down a few dunks during garbage time? posted by zardsfan"

Not much, you're right. That's why it probably wouldn't have made a whole lot of difference if he'd gotten, say, 25 minutes a game instead of 15. The stuff he needs IMO -- more skills, a strength program, and a bunch of practice games -- he wasn't going to get during an NBA regular season.

He looked better in Las Vegas this summer, so maybe something took. Now getting him some court time during the season could produce real improvement. Or so I hope.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 11, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

As a Wizards fan I refuse to heed Hollinger's word. He has had it out for the Wizards ever since ESPN started posting his charts and formulas. Go Wiz.

Posted by: eternale5150 | August 11, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

'If the success of the upcoming season is even partially dependent upon McGee stepping up his game to challenge Blatche for minutes off the bench, then lottery hear we come.'

Watching AB over 4 seasons it's easy to forget young players are supposed to improve from one season to the next, and that guys who are gonna be somebody usually do.

Mcgee definitely looked stronger at summer league and will probably appear even moreso by the time season rolls around, so that's a good sign.

But yeah, he has a long way to go, no doubt there.

Posted by: divi3 | August 11, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

About Glen Davis -- he fell to the second round in the draft largely based on a game against UCLA when he was completely overwhelmed by the Bruins, who countered his bulk with fast, tall, stringbean types. He was literally getting his dunks blocked at the rim. UCLA players were zipping past him on their way to the basket like he was an old Kelvinator somebody had left out by the curb. All of a sudden the scouts noticed that Davis was a midrange jumpshooter with no back to the basket game, and had no hope of keeping up with your average NBA PF on defense. Next thing you knew he was out of the lottery and getting picked around 37th.

You know who Glen Davis is? He's Jonathan Ogden if the Ravens tackle had stuck with basketball instead of the NFL.

Guys like Davis can be very useful in certain matchups, particularly in the playoffs, where the game slows down and physicality is at a premium. That's what Ainge likes about him. But for getting to the post-season in the first place, I'd much rather have Leon Powe. He's undersized, too, but far more productive.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 11, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

It's hard to imagine what more Ernie could have done to improve the Wiz this offseason. He added quality vets in Oberto and Miller, a talented combo guard in Foye who's improved every year, and gotten rid of a ton of flotsam in Thomas, OPech, etc.

The Wiz, from top to bottom, are significantly better talent-wise than last year. They got the best coach -- by a mile -- available. Their depth is greatly enhanced. They have an excellent mix of youth and veterans. It's a team that won't get old overnight, and won't be overwhelmed by inexperience. And the bench will actually be able to compete with other teams' benches.

I'm excited by the upcoming season. Come on November.

Posted by: keithward64 | August 11, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Can anybody tell me who is the big man coach is?

Is it Wes Unseld Jr or are we going to bring in amother volunteer like last year?

I guess it doesn't matter if we have good assistant coaches like Orlando has with Patrick Ewing (who has helped Howard with his game).

I'm sure AB has it within himself to learn on his own?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | August 11, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I like the move not to use MLE to sign a bench player.Davis,Bass and others will not take washimngton to the next level.
It is better to use the money with the expiring contract to land a better player of starting caliber in 4 position.

Posted by: gtefferra | August 11, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Look at the list of team payrolls and you can tell which teams want to win a championship and which teams are happy by just making the playoffs.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | August 11, 2009 12:07 AM

and from the list, which team is guaranteed to win the championship? You can't guarantee any team. You can give odds, but no guarantees. Ask the Yankees, for as much as they have tried year after year to buy a championship, they have not had the success in terms of championships the last few years. What was the Florida Marlins payroll the year they won the World Series? So to say Abe should spend as much as everyone else does not mean that they aren't trying as hard as everyone else. That is just whining and Im sure you have something better to do than to complain about every lil thing.

Posted by: G-Man11 | August 11, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Can anybody tell me who is the big man coach is?

Is it Wes Unseld Jr or are we going to bring in amother volunteer like last year?

I guess it doesn't matter if we have good assistant coaches like Orlando has with Patrick Ewing (who has helped Howard with his game).

I'm sure AB has it within himself to learn on his own?

It's always something....

Posted by: SDMDTSU | August 11, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

'I guess it doesn't matter if we have good assistant coaches like Orlando has with Patrick Ewing (who has helped Howard with his game).'

Yeah, what a sweet jumper DHoward has developed. Right.

Posted by: divi3 | August 11, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz blow, people. While they will certainly finish this year with a much better win/loss record and are improved talent wise let us be honest here. Barring some kind of serious "character" infusion, the team doesn't have the heart or dedication to become an elite team. Talent and potential alone, yes, the Wiz should be able to compete with Orlando, Boston and Cleveland. But the Wiz won't buckle down and play D. They are going to take time to gel with all the new faces (and returning players like DeShawn, Gil and Brendan). And while I hope I am wrong, does anyone here see Andre "Dummy" Blatche playing consistently? Yes, I have seen what he "can" do on a court and he can be incredible when he wants to be. but I also saw him get a rebound last year and try to take it coast to coast and end up dribbling it off his foot or his knee or making some bonehead pass. I think what the Wiz need to pray for is maturation for Young, Blatche and Mcgee. If the 3 of them can up there BBall IQ the Wiz would be well served.

Posted by: storers11 | August 11, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

'but I also saw him get a rebound last year and try to take it coast to coast and end up dribbling it off his foot or his knee or making some bonehead pass.'

'Coast-to-coast' is ABs nickname in my section. And you saw that particular play at least 2 dozen times.

Hope springs eternal though! Flip is one of the best coaches in the league, any chance of AB becoming the player we want him to be started with Saunders hiring

Posted by: divi3 | August 11, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Using that logic, Utah should end up with the second best record in the West. I don't think so!

Posted by: G-Man11 | August 11, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

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