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Former Wizards Swapped


I will welcome AD, but I have to move on without my big bruza. (AP Photo by Nick Wass)


So, was the Mike Miller and Randy Foye trade really all about the Minnesota Timberwolves getting Oleksiy Pecherov? Pecherov is now the only player remaining from the original trade Minnesota made with Washington two days prior to the NBA draft. The Timberwolves dealt Darius Songaila and Bobby Brown to New Orleans for another former Wizard, Antonio Daniels, on Wednesday .

Minnesota has already watched the fifth overall pick (Ricky Rubio) ditch the Timberwolves to stay in Spain for at least two more years and dumped Etan Thomas off on Oklahoma City. Now the Timberwolves have decided to deal Songaila and Brown for Daniels' expiring contract. With an expiring contract being the price for a player that the Wizards really valued, it makes you wonder what would've happened if Ernie Grunfeld had been able to replace Songaila with Mike James in that trade with Minnesota. Say what you will about James, but he was much more productive than Daniels last season (for Washington, at least). I know, Minnesota didn't want James or DeShawn Stevenson, but the Wizards would look so much deeper with Songaila -- and less congested in the backcourt. Wasn't going to happen, but it would've been nice.

The funny thing about this trade that nobody in New Orleans or Minnesota is going to care right now. The only people who this trade might mean something to are fans of the 2007-08 Wizards, who won 43 games and finished with the fifth seed in the Eastern Conference with Gilbert Arenas only able to play 13 games. Daniels and Songaila were both invaluable that season.

Pech has got to be broken up over this trade. Songaila was like "an older bruza" for him. Now who's going to curse him out in Russian?

The Hornets made a solid trade, because they saved more than $1 million and got serviceable big man (Songaila) and a backup point guard (Brown) for Chris Paul. Also, Paul should be pleased that Songaila has doubled the number of Wake Forest alums on the Hornets. The Hornets added Ike Diogu in free agency, but Songaila should have a great opportunity to be a pick-and-pop big man in New Orleans. He'll also have a chance to win some games, after being a true professional during a difficult 19-win season in Washington.

Daniels probably isn't happy about leaving a playoff team in New Orleans to join a lottery squad in Minnesota. He enjoyed playing a limited role with the Hornets, with his body breaking down. The Timberwolves wanted to have a veteran point guard around to help Jonny Flynn (and possibly Ramon Sessions) next season.

The good news for Daniels is that former Wizards don't last too long in Minnesota. Thomas was gone after one month and Songaila was gone in less than three months. Will Pech have a chance to get buckets in Minnesota? Probably so. He is, after all, the last man standing. But given the way Timberwolves General Manager David Kahn is making deals, Pecherov might not last that long.

By Michael Lee  |  September 9, 2009; 6:06 PM ET
 
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FIRST!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Evomaniac | September 9, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

2nd

Posted by: prescrunk | September 9, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

As limited as DSong was, he was good for this team....

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | September 9, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Minnesota.

Where old point guards go to die. Sorry AD.

Posted by: elfreako | September 9, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Maybe its because I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I just can't shake the feeling that this David Kahn fellah doesn't have a clue.

My understanding was Minnesota insisted on Darius in the trade with the Wizards. Either it was an issue with matching up the salaries or...we found new butter knife in the drawer!!

Posted by: bozomoeman | September 9, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz are set at least for a couple of months into the season. Before considering trades, let's see:

1) how good Foye is and whether he can play with Arenas;
2) whether Blatche gets serious and brings it every night
3) whether McGee will improve his defensive positioning and court awareness
4) whether NY can become Rip-like and shoot 45+% from the floor.

If these guys come through, we know what the rest of them can do. There would be need for another player.

Posted by: Izman | September 9, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Songaila was the best playmaker the Zards had. He has a feel for the game and can create space or opportunity off movement without the ball or giving it up easy. He is also capable of creating his own shot, and scoring unusual baskets. Without him, Roger Mason, and Daniels, its as if the Zards will be playing with one eye closed.

Posted by: cohenra | September 10, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

You could be right Michael, all Minnesota wanted was Pecherov. And they got him without giving anything back other than a Cap exception. Proof: Washington's Traded Player Exception for Pecherov of $1,446,720. Equal to Pecherov's salary last year.

Posted by: rickgonz | September 10, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Don't have to be a detective to figure what the Wolves really wanted in that deal was the #5 pick (or that Lee was joking in that first line). Songaila's contract was a necessary evil and Pech was a cheap throw in to balance the books.

Posted by: kalo_rama | September 10, 2009 12:58 AM | Report abuse

DSong was exactly what this team needed. Fab may have some height on him but you know what you were getting when DSong was on the floor. He was a decent defender (given his lack of height and movement), an excellent shooter from the high post position and a great passing big man.

Posted by: CBell29 | September 10, 2009 7:34 AM | Report abuse

You really have to wonder what the GM for Minn is doing or if he knows "what" he's doing? I think J. Flynn will be a star in the league but he's waisted players & picks for what?

I'll take MM & RF!

Posted by: zxhoya | September 10, 2009 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Songaila was the best playmaker the Zards had. He has a feel for the game and can create space or opportunity off movement without the ball or giving it up easy. He is also capable of creating his own shot, and scoring unusual baskets. Without him, Roger Mason, and Daniels, its as if the Zards will be playing with one eye closed.

???!!!

Posted by: original_mark | September 10, 2009 7:58 AM | Report abuse

DSong was exactly what this team needed. Fab may have some height on him but you know what you were getting when DSong was on the floor. He was a decent defender (given his lack of height and movement), an excellent shooter from the high post position and a great passing big man.

!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Posted by: original_mark | September 10, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse

My two cents...

Songaila could only reasonably effectively defend one type of player and that was a short power player.

Anyone taller (most players at his position) shot over him. Anyone quicker (most players at his position) went around him. He was a POOR rebounder, an overall below average defender and a liability on this team whenever he was in the starting lineup. As a 8th man, he has some value but our problems have stemmed around players 1-5, not number 8.

Talking up Darius Songaila is like talking up Bill Wennington on the Jordan championship teams. He'll give a couple of good games per year but he is not, was not and will never be crucial to any teams' success.

Posted by: original_mark | September 10, 2009 8:06 AM | Report abuse

...and AD is washed up. He was very effective a few years ago but his 'dives' on every drive to the hoop have taken their toll.

Posted by: original_mark | September 10, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Mike, good article on MJ, but you should have dropped the hammer on Abe with how he duped MJ.
DCMANN88

Don't be naive. Abe allowed Jordan to do with the team as he pleased. Jordan wanted a coach, he got the coach. He wanted Kwame, he got Kwame. Jordan wanted Rip gone for a Carolina Boy, he got a Rip for Stack trade. Jordan wanted to shame the other players into greatness; he was allowed to try it. Jordan wanted the ball for 100+ touches a game, he got the ball for 100+ touches a game.

How'd that work out for us? Full stands and TV time don't get you to the playoffs.

In short, Jordan played himself out of a job. You must be a government worker who's performance doesn't have an impact on your future employment, but in the rest of the world, if you suck at your job, you get fired.

Posted by: Blurred | September 10, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

And I like Song. he worked hard and made the best of his abilities. If only AB could do that.

Posted by: Blurred | September 10, 2009 8:23 AM | Report abuse

As poor a defender as Darius was he's still a better defender than AJ, that's a sad statement.
DS will not be missed on this team (I don't believe), it's time for the young talent to step up, (AB?)

Posted by: zxhoya | September 10, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Minn. is in trouble. There GM David Kahn doesn't know what he is doing. He trades for the Zards 5th pick and gives up a young high draft pick in the process and then he uses the pick on someone who has a huge buy out clause in there current contract. They thought Mchale was bad......

Posted by: punchdaclock | September 10, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

As poor a defender as Darius was he's still a better defender than AJ, that's a sad statement.


Sad but true unless you calculate defensive rebounding as a part of defense as some stats folks do.

Posted by: original_mark | September 10, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Songaila always plays hard but I never understood all the praise he got. Wiz consistantly get out played when it counts and are just not athletic enough to dominate anyone.

Around here we always praise "nice guys" who can't get it done.

Posted by: millineumman | September 10, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Songaila always plays hard but I never understood all the praise he got. Wiz consistantly get out played when it counts and are just not athletic enough to dominate anyone.

Around here we always praise "nice guys" who can't get it done.

Posted by: millineumman | September 10, 2009 9:00 AM


I think that's what's exciting about this team now, ahtletes at all positions, starters and reserves. The only question will be if the young reserves can step up this season and contribute in a meaningful way, especially AB and JMcGee.

Posted by: zxhoya | September 10, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

"Don't be naive. Abe allowed Jordan to do with the team as he pleased. Jordan wanted a coach, he got the coach. He wanted Kwame, he got Kwame. Jordan wanted Rip gone for a Carolina Boy, he got a Rip for Stack trade. Jordan wanted to shame the other players into greatness; he was allowed to try it. Jordan wanted the ball for 100+ touches a game, he got the ball for 100+ touches a game.

How'd that work out for us? Full stands and TV time don't get you to the playoffs.

In short, Jordan played himself out of a job. You must be a government worker who's performance doesn't have an impact on your future employment, but in the rest of the world, if you suck at your job, you get fired.

Posted by: Blurred | September 10, 2009 8:22 AM "

You must be a moron who can't understand.

It's not about MJ's performance as a player or GM.

It was about MJ having an ownership stake, giving it up to help the franchise with the "promise" that he could get it back, and the showing him the door afterwards when the promise was reneged.

Abe supposedly cut MJ loose b/c he said MJ was a poor GM.

Well, what has dishonest Abe done the past 30 years besides being a suckee owner? Who was the one who hired Gar Heard b/c "he blew me away during the interview?"

Who was the one who made Unseld a GM?

Who was the one who lowballed Juwan when he was the most popular guy in town?

Who was the one who announced Gilby's season ending injury after season ticket holders renewed last year?

Going by your direction of discussion, who was the one who allowed MJ to be GM and hire the coach?

Yes, it was all Abe.

Puhleaze....go back to panhandling...

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | September 10, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

"My understanding was Minnesota insisted on Darius in the trade with the Wizards"

Mine was that the Wolves rejected Stevenson and Darius was a compromise as a replacement. He's a very skilled player but not the physical force he once was.

As far as Pecherov, be nice to see him get his chance. He seems a little slow afoot to be a real NBA center but stranger things have happened.

The Wolves are a good example of why teams shouldn't indulge themselves in the 'anything would be better than what we have now' mode of management. That's how you get the NY Knicks.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 10, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

To Millineumman - Songaila didn't seem intense, but he was..instense as in meshing real well with Jamison and Butler...especially in the '07-'08 season (so far my fav as a wiz fan). The combo of Butler, Jamison and Songaila whipped up some nice passes and flip up shots that defenders couldn't do anything about b/c it was all about chemistry..which Songaila brings and will be sorely missed. Again, he didn't play 20-30 minutes, but he came of the bench and brought a lift for a few minutes...we need that. To the '07-'08 season...Butler, Haywood, Daniels, Stevenson were amazing...that is the only diff from last year...Butler acted like he was bringing it, but he really wasn't..and I can't blame him either. They took down Boston on back to back nights and the CAVs in important games and Butler took over. Let's hope they get some chemistry back, Gil doesn't wreck them and and they go deep. I don't want to see stellar games against LAL, PHX, CAVS, BOS but have a 40-win season.

Posted by: leopsan | September 10, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

...hmmm I wonder if Ernie talked to Minn about doing the same deal for Mike James' salary? Might have been interesting to have DSong back in the fold as insurance at the 4 spot. He is not a real banger, but is an adequate defender and underrated as a a passer/playmaker--was a very good complementary player to have on the floor when GA and WC where out there at the same time. But I guess making this deal would somewhat limit Ernie's options in Jan/Feb pertaining to a mid-season trade.

Posted by: oddjob1 | September 10, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

People...get a clue! This trade was all about cap space next year for the Wolves. Kahn hasn't made a bad trade yet. The team is now young and athletic and we have cap space for the bounty of free agents next summer. Good luck winning that championship this year Wizard fans.

Posted by: RobMc1 | September 10, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

According to EG....Les BouleS are fine and no more further trades should be anticipated...he's happy with how the team is today, even with no low post offense...too many quick side forwards/guards, and no size in the paint.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | September 10, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

"Songaila was the best playmaker the Zards had."

Are you high? I really like Songaila but the best playmaker?! Better than Jamison or Caron? C'mon.

Posted by: BigRich1 | September 10, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

People...get a clue! This trade was all about cap space next year for the Wolves. Kahn hasn't made a bad trade yet. The team is now young and athletic and we have cap space for the bounty of free agents next summer. Good luck winning that championship this year Wizard fans.

Posted by: RobMc1 | September 10, 2009 9:44 AM


What free agent of worth wants to play in Minn? I'm not trying to rag on the city or team, but who wants to play for the Wolves, nobody.

You can't even get your drafted rookies to come play for you.

Every last Timberwolf fan would trade the Wizards team for the Wolves team and cap space.

Posted by: zxhoya | September 10, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

"People...get a clue! This trade was all about cap space next year for the Wolves. Kahn hasn't made a bad trade yet. The team is now young and athletic and we have cap space for the bounty of free agents next summer. Good luck winning that championship this year Wizard fans. Posted by: RobMc1"

LOL stung by those gynormous black flies they have up in Minnesota, no doubt...

Posted by: Samson151 | September 10, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I think people cling to Song because the team was terrible, but he never gave up and continued to play hard. Those kinds of players tend to end up fan favorites. Don't underestimate the white guy angle, either.

Posted by: bryc3 | September 10, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Songaila is like choosing sides in a pick up game and theres only ten players and he is the last one not picked and you look around the park to see if anyone else is coming before you finally pick him.

The reasons why you would always pick a Blatche over a Songaila, which the Zards never realized, is because when you are playing "FULL COURT LETS GO BACK BASKETBALL" athleticism and speed means everything.

Real basketball is to fast and to high on the rim for Songaila. Back in the old 'run and gun' days in the NBA when coaching was less an overall strategy in on the court play as it is now Songaila would not have lasted this long.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 10, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Songaila is like choosing sides in a pick up game and theres only ten players and he is the last one not picked and you look around the park to see if anyone else is coming before you finally pick him.

The reasons why you would always pick a Blatche over a Songaila, which the Zards never realized, is because when you are playing "FULL COURT LETS GO BACK BASKETBALL" athleticism and speed means everything
Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 10, 2009 11:13 AM


If it were a game of pick up basketball, I'd pick Darius everytime over Blatche. Andre would want to play point guard on a team were he was the tallest player and Darius would do what it took to win.

In an organized game I'd take Blatche because of his athleticsm and youth, coaching would command that he play the right way or sit.

Let's not sell Darius short, he is a skilled player limited by his lack of ahletic ability. I wish him the best, that's what he gave us here in DC while he was Wizard.

Posted by: zxhoya | September 10, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Songaila is the greatest player in NBA history. He single-handedly took over games and dominated. The other 9 guys in the floor would sometimes stop playing and just gaze in awe at this Platonic form of basketball elegance.

Posted by: Dellis2 | September 10, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"Songaila always plays hard but I never understood all the praise he got. Wiz consistantly get out played when it counts and are just not athletic enough to dominate anyone."

No tam in the NBA has a roster full of players who can "dominate." Songaila was a role player and he was quite good at fulfilling his normally-called-upon role. It wasn't his fault that injuries required him to try and fill a role (center) that he wasn't really suited for.

Posted by: kalo_rama | September 10, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Make that: "No team in the NBA . . .

Posted by: kalo_rama | September 10, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

People...get a clue! This trade was all about cap space next year for the Wolves. Kahn hasn't made a bad trade yet. The team is now young and athletic and we have cap space for the bounty of free agents next summer. Good luck winning that championship this year Wizard fans.

Posted by: RobMc1 | September 10, 2009 9:44 AM

Good luck winning that championship this decade.

Most of us aren't here to bash the timberwolves. Some of us were sad to see Songaila go, and we think it's odd that all Kahn got out of the trade was Pecherov.

It never ceases to amaze me at how people who aren't even Wizards fans come on here just to bash us and talk about how great their team is, as if they are incapable of civil discussion.
Don't you have your own forums for that?

What free agent of worth wants to play in Minn?

Good point. Also, Minnesota was pretty slow to throw their hat in the ring for the LeBron/Wade sweepstakes

You can't even get your drafted rookies to come play for you.

Posted by: zxhoya | September 10, 2009 10:37 AM

Low blow, but he had it coming:)

Posted by: crs-one | September 10, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

p.s. Michael Lee, no disrespect intended for your boys in the twin cities.

Posted by: crs-one | September 10, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

This trade is looking better and better all the time... Miller and Foye for the #5, a draft pick of a guy who won't play in the league for another 2 yrs at least. In Miller we get a legit starting SG we haven't had since Hughes left town. One of the best 3pt shooters in the league, and nice all around game, size, can handle, pass and rebound. Foye we get a young player with upside who can play both G spots.

It is confusing why Wolves insisted on Songaila in the deal if they didn't intend to keep him. Why not just take James' expiring contract in the trade and let the Wizards keep Songaila?? Strange.

Posted by: Darnell1 | September 13, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

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