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Wizards Announce TV Schedule

The Washington Wizards and Comcast SportsNet released their 2009-2010 broadcast schedule today. It features all 82 regular season games plus three preseason games, including 66 on Comcast SportsNet, 14 on CSN+, one on the Comcast Network and 15 national television appearances. Fifty-two games will be in high definition.

The preseason games to be broadcast are Oct. 9 vs. Dallas (in high definition), Oct. 14 at Cleveland and Oct. 20 at Philadelphia. The regular season begins Oct. 27 at Dallas.

Seven games will be televised on ESPN, one on TNT and eight on NBA-TV.

ESPN: Nov. 4 vs. Miami, Nov. 18 vs. Cleveland, Nov. 27 at Miami, Dec. 18 at Golden State, March 7 at Boston and April 7 at Orlando

TNT: Dec. 10 vs. Boston

NBA-TV: Nov. 21 at San Antonio, Nov. 28 vs. Charlotte, Dec. 26 at Minnesota, Dec. 28 at Memphis, Jan. 18 vs. Portland, Feb. 22 vs. Chicago and Mar. 13 vs. Orlando

For the complete local broadcast schedule visit www.csnwashington.com.


By Alexa Steele  |  September 17, 2009; 7:06 PM ET
 
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15 national television appearances out of 82? I wonder how many national appearances the Lakers, Cleveland, Boston, and San Antonio have?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | September 17, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

So 30 games ARE NOT in HD????? WTF

Posted by: theredskin | September 17, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Whatever the case, let's hope there's no more Bucky with Phil. Bucky can stay tho.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | September 17, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

How many are in Dolby Digital Surround Sound, or, it DDSS a thing of the past?

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 17, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

"Whatever the case, let's hope there's no more Bucky with Phil. Bucky can stay tho.

Posted by: DC_MAN88"

lord dude, you need to find another team to pretend to like.

Posted by: divi3 | September 17, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

"lord dude, you need to find another team to pretend to like.

Posted by: divi3 | September 17, 2009 9:49 PM "

That's why I watch Les BouleS on ESPN whenever possible.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | September 17, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

The only surprise here is no Wiz games on network tv. That's pretty odd actually considering we're on national tv 15 other times.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 17, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

"The only surprise here is no Wiz games on network tv. That's pretty odd actually considering we're on national tv 15 other times.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 17, 2009 10:24 PM "

How many 2nd worst lottery teams get on national tv the following season?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | September 17, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I love watching Phil and Steve do commentary. It's great to have commentators who are invested in the team. Except for the shame of so few NBA League-Pass games in HD, I'd always prefer them to ESPN's bland coverage.

Posted by: k_boogie | September 18, 2009 7:18 AM | Report abuse

Bring back Mel Procter! That guy was great! He was really entertaining and easy to listen to...

I actually watched the game where he screamed: "Barkley for threeeeee! Oh noooooooo!!!" This clip still gets played occasionally by the NBA 20 years later.

Also, he loved telling that story about Chamberlain being told he had to come to the stadium for practice on the day of the game. He responded by saying that he would come to the stadium only once a day, either for practice or the actual game.

Posted by: MeviousMan | September 18, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Phil and Steve's commentary is more knowledgeable about the players and much of the background. But it's always great to catch a game on TNT, in particular, to hear someone like Doug Collins or Magic Johnson or (in the past) Steve Kerr give an honest, un-homer assessment of the team's strengths and weaknesses. I'm not too crazy about the ESPN group -- except for Hubie Brown, whom I consider the best analyst in basketball.

Posted by: Prazak | September 18, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

The best analyst in basketball broadcasting, I should say.

Posted by: Prazak | September 18, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Phil and Buck are the best. They are supposed to be homers and they are, but they also rip the team as much as is called for. The teams announcers are intended for real fans that watch most of the games, not just the types that will only tune into espn and have no investment in the club.

Posted by: divi3 | September 18, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Whatever the case, let's hope there's no more Bucky with Phil. Bucky can stay tho.

Posted by: DC_MAN88"

umm...I hate to say this but, I kinda sorta agree with you on this 1. But to be fair to Phil, I think he had some health issues over the last couple years that have slowed him down. I would like to see the Wiz get some new blood in there. Maybe a 3 man team or something. But trust me, I've had the nba package for 5 years now, Steve and Phil are one of the best in the business! Try listening to a Rockets game with Calvin Murphy sounding like he be drinking during tv timeouts. Or how Cleveland commentators act as if there's no other team on the court (I was watching a Cle/Atl game and every time the Hawks had the ball, the announcers would talk about something else instead of calling the game). Or how Boston accuses every team who beats them at home of cheating and paying off the refs. Trust me, Steve and Phil are good.

Posted by: CBell29 | September 18, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

for instance, you just gotta love the inflection in Buck's voice (after team gives up 18pt lead) "And the 18pt lead is down to 1"

Phil and Steve are in tune with the highs and lows of the season (and years) in the same way the fans are. That's the whole point of teams having these duo's.

How anyone could prefer to hear the likes of Steve 'Snapper' Jones droning on about a team he knows nothing about is beyond me.

agree that the occasional TNT game is a great change of pace

Posted by: divi3 | September 18, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

IMO, the team of Kevin Harlan and Doug Collins are the best right now. But I think TNT primarily keeps them on west coast games so you really don't hear them until 10:30 at night. Marv, Reggie, and Mike Fratello are ok (I prefer just Marv and Mike though. Reggie goes overboard.), but the most entertaining out is Mike Breen, Jeff Van Gundy, and Mark Jackson! "Mama there goes that Man!"

Posted by: CBell29 | September 18, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Van Gundy has quickly become among the best in the business

Posted by: divi3 | September 18, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I like Mark Jackson. His commentary is always unbiased and on point.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 18, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Breen, Jackson, and Van Gundy are good and entertaining. And Collins is great at conveying the game at an everyman level. But Mike Tirico and Hubie Brown are the cream of the crop.

Posted by: kalo_rama | September 18, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

"The only surprise here is no Wiz games on network tv. "

Since when are ESPN and TNT not national TV?

Posted by: kalo_rama | September 18, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Given the decline in overall broadcast viewership and the drop in NBA ratings over the years, the difference in the number of people who see a game on ABC vs. ESPN probably isn't that huge.

Posted by: kalo_rama | September 18, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

You all remember when Adrian Dantley did some commentary for the Bullets? I think it was about the time of Cheaney, and Googs, but maybe that first season with Juwan. He had the best comment I have ever heard about pro ball.

Talking about the see-saw nature of most games, he said something like:
"NBA is all about streaks. To win the game you want to have the first, the last and the longest." Way oversimplified, but really sums it up - focus on the now, jump out to a good start, make a nice run in the middle and finish strong.

So I am having the insert installed next week, HD is mounted, new sofa in the remodel. Ready to watch my team win 50+ plus a good playoff run. Hopefully Buck will be screaming "DAGGER!" when Arenas hits the big shot against any number of teams, but especially Cleveland. And far fewer "How do you like that? The wizards had a 13 pt lead and its down to 2 in just under 90 seconds."

Posted by: Blurred | September 18, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

The only surprise here is no Wiz games on network tv. "

Since when are ESPN and TNT not national TV?

Posted by: kalo_rama | September 18, 2009 11:25 AM

Kalo - that's what I thought when I read this, but then I noticed he said "Network" not national. Network refers to having a "network" of local channels that broadcast your offerings, so technically, he is right.

You are correct though that an ESPN or TNT game is probably watched by about the same number of people.

Posted by: Blurred | September 18, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"Network refers to having a "network" of local channels that broadcast your offerings, so technically, he is right."

No, actually, he's not. Cable channels are just as much networks as broadcast channels. They're just carried to the consumer by a different method. Both use a central national programming entity (ABC or ESPN) to provide content to local carriers (broadcast affiliates or local cable providers).

Posted by: kalo_rama | September 18, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Get rid of phil c he is painful to watch steve b is not much better the dagger word is all he knows and phil is about as entertaining as a stone the two of them have been instruments of doom for the wiz wake up wizard management we need some new and especially Young commentators not the old ones that react 20 minutes after a play

Posted by: bbismygame | September 18, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I think the "N" in both ESPN and TNT stands for network, no?

ESPN and TNT are basic cable channels (ie, no additional subscriptions fees payable, as with premium cable channels like HBO). ABC is a free TV channel. With cable TV penetration at about 65%, and much higher than that in population centers, channels like ESPN and TNT still cover more than 100m TV households. That's most people in most cities and bigger towns.

Posted by: Prazak | September 18, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

in other words "New broadcasters" now

Posted by: bbismygame | September 18, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

If we can win all the HD games we'll be fine.

Posted by: VBFan | September 18, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Does ESPN allow local cable providers to produce local programming to be shown on the ESPN "channel" only in the local or regional market? Does ESPN allow the local provider to pre-empt ESPN programming on the designated ESPN channel? Thes do not necessarily define a network, in the media sense, but are usual hallmarks of a network.

So I wrote a long response about the actual technical terms like network and channel vs. station, but the truth is I got sucked into your vortex of stupidity again. You quoted him saying "Network" but then immediately used the term "national" as if they had exactly the same meaning. They don't.

You tried to say that ESPN was a "network." In media terms, it isn't. Those of us who work in media understand that there is a difference and that the terms are quite similar but not interchangeable. they each have discrete definitions.

In the end, there is probably no difference in exposure in being on ABC vs ESPN, but there is a difference in the associated level of prestige. ABC games are reserved for the most popular and highly regarded matchups and the Wiz aren't on there. We all know that is the point he was trying to make and you are just being an donkey.

The traditional broadcast networks sometimes adjust these games as the season goes on to better reflect the acheivements of the teams and the star power that emerges, so we may get on ABC by seasons end, but you can't change someone's words or define them as you like or out of context and maintain any legitimacy.

Posted by: Blurred | September 18, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

'better reflect the acheivements of the teams and the star power that emerges, so we may get on ABC by seasons end'

if Gil drops a 60 spot on Kobe's head again, we'll catch an ABC Sunday game for sure!

Posted by: divi3 | September 18, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I agree that network is a arcane and archaic term and TNT and ESPN used the term in their brand to give them legitimacy in their early years when they were showing frisbee tournaments and bonanza reruns, but the term Network, in broadcasting terms has a specific meaning that neither of them fit within.

That's not really the point, though. The point is that the original poster was trying to say that we were deemed to be worthy of the prestige spots. Trying to quibble over whether ESPN is a network or not was just the fallout from from Kalo trying to make the original poster seem insigniificant.

Posted by: Blurred | September 18, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

sorry meant to say that we were NOT deemed worthy of the prestige spots.

YET!!!

Posted by: Blurred | September 18, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

"The point is that the original poster was trying to say that we were deemed to be worthy of the prestige spots."

Wrong. He was quite clearly trying to say that, by virtue of not being on ABC, the Wizards were NOT deemed worthy of the prestige spots. Which is, as has been explained, simply untrue.

"Trying to quibble over whether ESPN is a network or not was just the fallout from from Kalo trying to make the original poster seem insigniificant."

Wrong, yet again. It was a fallout from the fact that the original poster's implication about the "prestige" of games being on ABC versus ESPN was utterly invalidated by the ongoing decline in the size, viewership, and significance of broadcast TV. There is no inherent "prestige" to being on broadcast versus cable TV (as quite clearly evidenced by the growing number of Emmys awarded to cable TV dramas as the number going to broadcast networks decline year-by-year). He was using "network" as a euphemism for something to which it simply did not apply.

Whatever feelings of insignificance he may have are between him and his shrink and have jack all to do with me. Although I suspect that, in this case, you're simply projecting your own inadequacies onto someone else.

Posted by: kalo_rama | September 18, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Kalo - I assume by now you read my correction that was posted immediately after the post to which you replied, so we can disregard the first part of your rebuttal.

As to whether the the Sunday afternoon ABC games are considerred more prestigious than the tuesday night TNT games, I suggest you ask an NBA owner/player/coach. I am pretty certain they would say they view that as a more prestigious spot than a Tuesday night TNT slot.

You could also ask the programming folks at Disney which channel/slot they use to showcase the top echelon teams and I am pretty sure they would say that the Sunday ABC games are supposed to showcase the best and most popular NBA teams and stars.

It's not just about how many eyeballs there are, but the heritage of the event, as well. However, even if you did discount the actual perceived prestige of the Sunday ABC game over the ESPN telecasts, your argument would be incorrect, as ESPN averaged 1,680,000 viewers for 71 regular-season telecasts, while ABC had an average of 3,684,000 viewers for 18 broadcasts this past season. Meaning that, on average, an ABC telecast has 219% of the viewership (or 2 million more people or over double the viewership) of an ESPN telecast.

And lastly...no one ever said the original poster felt insignificant. Another example of your misquoting. Either get it right or shut up.

Posted by: Blurred | September 18, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"As to whether the the Sunday afternoon ABC games are considerred more prestigious than the tuesday night TNT games, I suggest you ask an NBA owner/player/coach. I am pretty certain they would say they view that as a more prestigious spot than a Tuesday night TNT slot."

Really? And how many NBA coaches and players have you interviewed on this subject? None? Oh well, then STFU.

"You could also ask the programming folks at Disney which channel/slot they use to showcase the top echelon teams and I am pretty sure they would say that the Sunday ABC games are supposed to showcase the best and most popular NBA teams and stars."

None of which has done anything to prevent the ongoing decline of the NBA Finals ratings on ABC (although, I do believe there was a slight uptick last season after years of decline. But that had nothing to do with the "prestige" of being on ABC and everything to do with Kobe and the Lakers being in the Finals).

"It's not just about how many eyeballs there are, but the heritage of the event, as well."

The "heritage of the event"? Nonsense.

Posted by: kalo_rama | September 18, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

"However, even if you did discount the actual perceived prestige of the Sunday ABC game over the ESPN telecasts, your argument would be incorrect, as ESPN averaged 1,680,000 viewers for 71 regular-season telecasts, while ABC had an average of 3,684,000 viewers for 18 broadcasts this past season. Meaning that, on average, an ABC telecast has 219% of the viewership (or 2 million more people or over double the viewership) of an ESPN telecast."

Which, of course, says nothing about "prestige" of the games on ABC and everything about the popularity of the teams involved. The Wizards won 19 games last season. No one in their right mind would expect them to be a top drawing team, which makes expressing surprise at their lack of so-called "prestige" games rather foolish.

And that's not even addressing the inherent fallacy of using "average" viewership as an aggregate measure of individual team popularity on what is, essentially, a variety show (e.g., NBA basketball) that features a different cast every week. In other words, meaningless. People don't watch the NBA broadcast so much as they watch individual teams. The real measure or relative "prestige" between the two is how much do the same teams draw on ABC versus ESPN/TNT? If individual teams draw roughly the same numbers on both, then your "prestige" theory goes out the window.

"And lastly...no one ever said the original poster felt insignificant."

That would include me. but you did say I was trying to make him feel that way, which is what my response referenced. Apparently you can't even keep your own BS straight now.

"Another example of your misquoting. Either get it right or shut up."

Another example of you inserting yourself into a discussion that had f@#k-all to do with you and turning it into a pissing match. So how much is Barno paying you to be his personal bodyguard? If you're going to argue on someone else's behalf like it means the world to you, either do a better job of it or shut up.

Posted by: kalo_rama | September 18, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I dunno, Blurred. I'm in the entertainment business myself for a couple decades now and deal with television broadcasters all over the world, albeit not here in the U.S. Maybe there's some term of art or at law here in the States that renders ABC a "network" and TNT "not a network", perhaps for regulatory purposes (maybe you're a lawyer), but in the parlance of the business worldwide, including dealing with US-based film distributors to worldwide television outlets, TNT would be spoken of routinely as a "network", just as would other cable or satellite broadcasters whose carriage is widespread. Maybe that's technically incorrect as a matter of broadcasting law here in the U.S., but that is what comports with the customary vernacular of the biz.

Amazing how eager people are to get into p*ssing matches around here. Reminds me of why I go into hybernation from this board for long stretches.

Posted by: Prazak | September 18, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Amazing how eager people are to get into p*ssing matches around here. Reminds me of why I go into hybernation from this board for long stretches.

Posted by: Prazak | September 18, 2009 4:07 PM

Prazak,

I don't blame you. It seems to be the same person all of the time!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | September 18, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Wizards need all the help they can get period and it starts with the broadcasters. If phil is sick he needs to retire his old self. Some people don't get it and have to be forced out to get some new blood flowing. Maybe phil should stop hanging out all night with the penicillian ladies!

Posted by: bbismygame | September 18, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I would much rather watch with Buck & Phil than any of those "network" play by play guys. They call about half the game and talk about totally unrelated stuff the rest of the game while plays are being made and they miss way too many nuances of the game for being "experts". Van Gundy & Jackson are better than most but they too let the game get away from them at times.

Posted by: VBFan | September 18, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Phil Chenier is severely lacking in his analyst position. He can only make a comment after a lay up or jump shot.

He can't think like a coach, so he doesn't talk strategy, nor can he use the replay screen and explain a play and how it worked or didn't work.

PC is just hanging out and collecting a check.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | September 18, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

DCMAN, we could make the exact same argument about your ability, only you work twice as hard as Phil at it and don't get paid a penny.

Posted by: bryc3 | September 18, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Prazak - You are right, while there is a technical difference that has to do with the contractual relationships, it is, as I said rather arcane and has almost nothing to do with today's television delivery. The colloquial usage of the term "network" refers to the brand or channel. Either way, it doesn't have much to do with anything except that the original poster obviously used it to mean ABC and Kalo wanted to find a way to dismiss someone.

Kalo can argue it all he wants, but anyone can plainly see that the Sunday ABC games are where the NBA and Disney want to see the superstars. Kalo and I both made the incorrect assumption that the ratings were very similar between ABC and ESPN. I checked it out and it isn't so.

I am not surprised that a 19 win team isn't on ABC. Just wishing that they were considered a premier team with a superstar (or two) that was a good enough draw to move to the prestige slot.

Posted by: Blurred | September 18, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

"DCMAN, we could make the exact same argument about your ability, only you work twice as hard as Phil at it and don't get paid a penny.

Posted by: bryc3 | September 18, 2009 6:23 PM "

I wouldn't even consider you with the word "ability" in the same sentence.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | September 18, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

But enough about this stupid argumment. I still maintain the ABC slot is of higher prestige than the ESPN, but whatever. I am sorry I got involved in it.

More importantly...this is not quite shocking:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/18/AR2009091802528.html?hpid=artslot

But good news for us, I think.

Posted by: Blurred | September 18, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I'd like to pat myself on the back for pointing out again what a fraud Gilby is.

He throws the team under the bus by accusing the team of not protecting him from himself, but it was he who said that if he didn't get his way, he'd walk to another franchise for less money. Thus, EG's hands were tied.

Now he also implies that being a pass first point guard is overrated and that he plans to light it up once again because no one can guard him...although he can't guard anyone either.

I feel sorry for those who wasted their time on this blog arguing that he's a changed man based on two games last season. Funny.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | September 18, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Great. Another year of Buck referring to every Jamison shot attempt as a jumper.

AJ hasn't shot a jumper since he was in Dallas.

Posted by: elfreako | September 18, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Delonte West was actually carrying three guns: a Beretta 9mm in his waistband, a Ruger .357 strapped to his leg and a shotgun in a guitar case slung over his back
driving a three wheeler.
Wonder where he was headed?
STUPID!!!!!
Wonder where he'll be playing this season?

Posted by: VBFan | September 18, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

As for Delonte: You can take the trailer out of the park - but its still just a trailer.

Makes the cavs a slightly less dynamic team.

Posted by: Blurred | September 18, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line is...the Wizards are a 2nd tier team who should make it into the playoffs and depending on who they meet in the first round they may not make it past the first round again.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | September 18, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Wiz doctors should be under the gun as we have always stated. Arenas did not go to see Grover until July of this year. How could he have played in the games at the end ofthe year with a leg that looked like it was in a coma and they stated he could only lift like 15-25 lbs with his left leg. Seriously, how could his leg have been that weak in July and yet the Wizards had cleared him to play in March. What exactly were they doing?

Posted by: ptp23 | September 19, 2009 12:56 AM | Report abuse

He throws the team under the bus by accusing the team of not protecting him from himself, but it was he who said that if he didn't get his way, he'd walk to another franchise for less money. Thus, EG's hands were tied.
Posted by: DC_MAN88 | September 18, 2009 6:50 PM
Not sure I agree with all of that.
It's comical that the Wizards have posted Gilbert's workout on their site with Grover talking about how weak his leg was when he got there. I mean, if you're a Wizard player, would you want to hear that Gilbert was cleared to play when he could have actually injured himself again with a left leg that could only lift 25 lbs 4 months after the seaosn in which they had cleared him to play? Something doesn't sound right about this and the Wiz doctors need to respond becasue it's quite embarrassing if what Grover stated was true and it just backs up what Gilbert stated.

Posted by: ptp23 | September 19, 2009 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Summer Sucks, no basketball(unless u like wnba), no Hockey and the redskins start play(and loose) depressing...i'm looking to start a midget wrestling with Polar bears League. Midgets and polar bear applications now accepting.

Posted by: BBallFOO | September 19, 2009 6:48 AM | Report abuse

worst of all my Girlfriend wont leave me alone saying how she's left single from the months of November to June...damn only if she wore a TV with Pure unadulterated Sports during those months we wouldn't have problems.

Posted by: BBallFOO | September 19, 2009 6:52 AM | Report abuse

does that really mean i have to spend MORE time doing crap NOW?

Posted by: BBallFOO | September 19, 2009 6:53 AM | Report abuse

Amazing how eager people are to get into p*ssing matches around here.

Posted by: Prazak | September 18, 2009 4:07 PM

It's virtually always Kalo.

While DCMAN stirs up chatter by writing consistently negative things about the Wizard players, coach and now broadcasters, his posts have become a caricature and he is hard to take seriously.

The typical Kalo tactic: Pick a fight over a a perceived misuse of a word in a post, be rude and mock it, make a grand proclamation of how wrong it is, and (in the case that Kalo begins to lose the argument) redefine terms--or the argument itself--to make it seem like he is somehow winning. If he clearly gets beaten in the argument, he drops it and nitpicks some other point (see how he dropped the discussion when it became clear he was in over his head on the discussion of whether ESPN/TNT are technically considered to be networks.) And when he is really against the ropes, he resorts to a tactic many of us stopped using when we were teenagers: He'll say something profound like, "STFU." Nice.

Blurred, the rest of us get your point: obviously and clearly the best and biggest NBA matchups (whether we call them prestige games, or, in Kalo's redefinition of terms, games between "popular teams") end up on ABC.

The reason ABC does this is obviously because the big four broadcast networks STILL have far greater reach (are in far more homes) than is ESPN or TNT. They want the games most likely to have the broadest appeal to be available to the largest number of homes. It's quite simple, really.

Kalo wrote:

He was quite clearly trying to say that, by virtue of not being on ABC, the Wizards were NOT deemed worthy of the prestige spots. Which is, as has been explained, simply untrue.

Posted by: kalo_rama | September 18, 2009 1:40 PM

To use one of Kalo's favorite words: Wrong.

Kalo loves to say "as has been explained," as if his previous explanations are always correct. Kalo, just because you kindly "explains" something to us doesn't mean that your explanations hold water.

Pick any reasonable metric: whether we define it by relative numbers of viewers, ad revenue generated, popularity of teams playing (interest in the matchup), the ABC games are clearly the pick of the litter---and the Wizards were not deemed worthy to be shown during any of these premier time slots.

Posted by: psdfx | September 19, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I was going to leave this alone, but I can't. (Sorry.)

Kalo wrote:

the difference in the number of people who see a game on ABC vs. ESPN probably isn't that huge.

Posted by: kalo_rama | September 18, 2009 11:27 AM

Oh really?

Blurred wrote:

ESPN averaged 1,680,000 viewers for 71 regular-season telecasts, while ABC had an average of 3,684,000 viewers for 18 broadcasts this past season. Meaning that, on average, an ABC telecast has 219% of the viewership (or 2 million more people or over double the viewership) of an ESPN telecast.

Posted by: Blurred | September 18, 2009 2:10 PM

Kalo (undeterred by numbers or facts, but changing tacks):

Which, of course, says nothing about "prestige" of the games on ABC and everything about the popularity of the teams involved.

Posted by: kalo_rama | September 18, 2009 3:34 PM

Um, what? Isn't this Blurred's point? Kalo actually inadvertently supports Blurred's point again:

People don't watch the NBA broadcast so much as they watch individual teams.

Posted by: kalo_rama | September 18, 2009 3:34 PM

Precisely. You argued that we have to compare numbers for the same two teams when playing on ABC vs. ESPN/TNT, but the whole point is that ABC cherry picks the best (you took issue with them being called prestigious, so you called them popular, same general idea) games.

See Kalo? If you talk long enough, sometimes you'll eventually come full circle and realize that perhaps the original post was correct in the first place. If you simply thought a bit before spewing, you could save us all the headache of having to read your incessant bickering.

Posted by: psdfx | September 19, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I wish NBC gets the TV package back when ESPN's contract runs out. I've been watching some of the old playoff series from the late 90s on YT and NBC's coverage of the NBA was so much better than today's ESPN games. While they have a couple good announcers with Hubie Brown and Van Gundy, ESPN's overall coverage is boring. (at least in my opinion, it is.)

Posted by: rxs85 | September 19, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"It's comical that the Wizards have posted Gilbert's workout on their site with Grover talking about how weak his leg was when he got there. I mean, if you're a Wizard player, would you want to hear that Gilbert was cleared to play when he could have actually injured himself again with a left leg that could only lift 25 lbs 4 months after the seaosn in which they had cleared him to play? Something doesn't sound right about this and the Wiz doctors need to respond becasue it's quite embarrassing if what Grover stated was true and it just backs up what Gilbert stated.

Posted by: ptp23 | September 19, 2009 1:02 AM "

The doctors don't moonlight as the training staff.

The doctors tell management/player that the knee is structurally sound and healed.

It's up to the player/organization/training staff to get him into NBA shape.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | September 19, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

"While DCMAN stirs up chatter by writing consistently negative things about the Wizard players, coach and now broadcasters, his posts have become a caricature and he is hard to take seriously.

Posted by: psdfx | September 19, 2009 9:14 AM "

To you, it's considered negativity....in truth, it's reality...Les BouleS's sad reality.

I make my posts tongue in cheek....I laugh about it. Given all that though, virtually all of my predictions and opinions turn into reality.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | September 19, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

DC_man88 is right about all of it, I know steve and phil they are nothing but collecting paychecks for out of town game golf trips,escort service hook ups and smiling cause they have the groupie left over crowd. If it is young and dumb they start flashing there media badges. They are the two most over paid egotistical losers and neither one gets it, they smile with checks in hand to the bank. They are not monitored by anyone and you wonder why they never have there heads in the game. It is called trying to shake off the night before,that is the representation of the team? I think twice about my children being wiz fans. Especially when those two dirty old men are taking pictures with the kids so they can hit on the mom. It is time to revamp this part of the team also. Enough is enough.

Posted by: bbismygame | September 19, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

BulletsFan78, I know what you mean by refering to the Bullets as a 2nd tier team. But thats not right, it just ain't appropriate.

We have a fair chance of winning everything, just like all the other Teams.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 19, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Larry,

They are until they prove it, which means getting out of the first round of the playoffs,

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | September 19, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

"virtually all of my predictions and opinions turn into reality.
Posted by: DC_MAN88"

LOL except that one.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 19, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

"the ABC games are clearly the pick of the litter---and the Wizards were not deemed worthy to be shown during any of these premier time slots. Posted by: psdfx"

Certainly the network time slots draw more viewers. But isn't that true of free TV in general? So I'm wondering how ABC or any other network chooses the games it wants to broadcast. Is it based solely on overall past ratings, or is partly on other criteria, such as the advertising demographic? Network TV schedules are like baseball lineups, designed to provide lead-ins and follow-ups that boost the overall scores for the day in question.


Posted by: Samson151 | September 19, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"LOL except that one.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 19, 2009 1:50 PM "

That was wasn't a prediction nor an opinion...it was a fact.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | September 19, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

"We have a fair chance of winning everything, just like all the other Teams.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 19, 2009 11:56 AM "

Do you not realize that teams don't have the same probability? Duh.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | September 19, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"DC_man88 is right about all of it, I know steve and phil they are nothing but collecting paychecks for out of town game golf trips,escort service hook ups and smiling cause they have the groupie left over crowd. If it is young and dumb they start flashing there media badges. They are the two most over paid egotistical losers and neither one gets it, they smile with checks in hand to the bank. They are not monitored by anyone and you wonder why they never have there heads in the game. It is called trying to shake off the night before,that is the representation of the team? I think twice about my children being wiz fans. Especially when those two dirty old men are taking pictures with the kids so they can hit on the mom. It is time to revamp this part of the team also. Enough is enough.

Posted by: bbismygame | September 19, 2009 11:50 AM "

At least with Bucky, he's still a bachelor. He can get all the groupie tail or sloppy seconds he wants.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | September 19, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"I make my posts tongue in cheek....I laugh about it. Given all that though, virtually all of my predictions and opinions turn into reality." -DC_Man88

The oracle speaks from his virtual reality. Hey we're laughing too bub. DC Man, a legend in his own mind.

Posted by: midlevex | September 19, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Local NBA announcers mostly incredibly suck, so by that standard Phil and Buck are superlative. What I really can't stand are the occasional interviews with marginal celebrities and News Channel 8's annoying habit of repeatedly shrinking the game into a teeny window so they can flash the DC lottery numbers and snow warnings for remote parts of Virginia. Also, all copies of that commercial with the computer guy who wakes up on a beach surrounded by bimbos need to be destroyed. They've been showing that since Tyrone Nesby was on the team, for chrissakes.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | September 19, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

what you talking about Phil Chenier is 3 times divorced and definitly out there I have seen him with sloppy seconds and thirds. Is he in the NBA,someone needs to break it down to him and his sloppy bimbos! getting back on subject those two old A** men make me want to listen to the game on the radio at least, I know my kids are safe.

Posted by: bbismygame | September 19, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

"The oracle speaks from his virtual reality. Hey we're laughing too bub. DC Man, a legend in his own mind.

Posted by: midlevex | September 19, 2009 4:43 PM "

You're the one giving me attention on this blog....apparently can't focus on the topic.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | September 19, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

DC man the haters are out, why the heck they don't like the truth is beyond me. I am not so sure it is not egghead and little red face! Give it time and they will see who is right, when people turn blind eyes to what is around them and wake up one day and say what happened they are the ones that will be sitting with steve and phil under the overpass talking about the good old days.

Posted by: bbismygame | September 19, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

All it takes is time to prove the Gilby lovers wrong in that Gilby ain't as good and honest as they think he is.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | September 19, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Redskins fans this should make you chuckle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1O7rs6dEdY&feature=related

Posted by: VBFan | September 19, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

The doctors don't moonlight as the training staff.

The doctors tell management/player that the knee is structurally sound and healed.

It's up to the player/organization/training staff to get him into NBA shape.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | September 19, 2009 11:19 AM

Doctors, trainers, organization, either way, my point is that the they obviously did not have him in shape if 3 months after the season his leg was that weak and yet they had cleared him to actually play in March. I would not trust that staff after hearing what Grover stated in the video. Arenas sought out Grover apparently after Larry Hughes recommended him.

Posted by: ptp23 | September 19, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

"You're the one giving me attention on this blog." -DC_Man

You must be joking, you're fingerprints are all over the last five blogs; you either put the last nail in the coffin or were the penultimate poster on every one.

Posted by: midlevex | September 19, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

"You must be joking, you're fingerprints are all over the last five blogs; you either put the last nail in the coffin or were the penultimate poster on every one.

Posted by: midlevex | September 19, 2009 9:13 PM "

You must be stupid...then why are you directing posts at me?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | September 19, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

"Doctors, trainers, organization, either way, my point is that the they obviously did not have him in shape if 3 months after the season his leg was that weak and yet they had cleared him to actually play in March. I would not trust that staff after hearing what Grover stated in the video. Arenas sought out Grover apparently after Larry Hughes recommended him.

Posted by: ptp23 | September 19, 2009 8:44 PM "

Agreed, and I wouldn't trust Gilby either.

He throws the team under the bus, but then says he harbors no ill feelings.

I can't see how ownership/management can continue to live with this BS.

It's ownership/management that's checking their pride at the door.

Sad.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | September 19, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

I know BulletsFan78. I was just bemoaning the fact that you said it.

"That ain't right" was in jest. Its one of those things like it is probably true but don't say it out loud.

You doggone right we got prove we can bark with the big dogs, but don't call me no puppy in the mean time.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 19, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Larry,

They are until they prove it, which means getting out of the first round of the playoffs,

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | September 19, 2009 12:18 PM

I know BulletsFan78. I was just bemoaning the fact that you said it.

"That ain't right" was in jest. Its one of those things like it is probably true but don't say it out loud.

You doggone right we got prove we can bark with the big dogs, but don't call me no puppy in the mean time.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 19, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

More inane arguments over nothing. Clearly ABC is watched by more people than an ESPN and ABC is where the big stars and games get showcased. That being said, I really don't care what is considered a "nationally" broadcast game for us. We just need to win games and all that will take care of itself.

As far as commentators, Phil has annoyed me for years and Steve is not great either. But, I watch on the NBA package and hear a lot of the other team's announcers and some are just pathetic. Some markets like Orlando it's understandable while in places like Boston you have to deal with Tommy Heinson (sp?) who is the most biased announcer I've ever heard. The Celtics commit no fouls nor do they get enough calls during the game. He's a pathetic homer. So, comparatively, I think our crew is a closer to the top than the bottom, but new blood would not be bad. The old stories are simply old.

Posted by: rphilli721 | September 20, 2009 3:33 AM | Report abuse

Good point about Phil and Buck, RP.

While the fact that Buck will drive me crazy by yelling "dagger" at points in games when there is still plenty of time left for the game to turn (or turn, and then turn again, and then turn again), I do suspect that there are other markets that have it far worse.

There are other things I could nitpick as well, but I generally like their tone: they are pulling for the home team, clearly, but still not afraid to be critical when appropriate. That is actually a hard balance to strike. You want your own team's broadcaster to be excited about the team's successes, but to be honest as well.

Posted by: psdfx | September 21, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I have a question for those who use NBA League Pass Broadband. Can anybody relate their experiences with it? I don't want to get cable because the I rarely watch tv, and I only really want the NBA games. I'm afraid of lag, game availability, and picture quality if I go with the Broadband though. I know they blackout the games that appear on national tv, but they show all the games that only appear on Comcast Sportsnet and it's affiliations, correct?

Posted by: babbtong | September 21, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Two weeks til Training camp!

Posted by: Blurred | September 21, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

""LOL except that one.Posted by: Samson151 | September 19, 2009 1:50 PM "
That was wasn't a prediction nor an opinion...it was a fact.Posted by: DC_MAN88"

Which would be your opinion. But not mine.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 21, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

"See Kalo? If you talk long enough, sometimes you'll eventually come full circle and realize that perhaps the original post was correct in the first place."

I'll bear that in mind if/when it it actually turns out to be true. But since the "original post" in this case incorrectly disparaged TNT and ESPN as not being "networks" when, in fact, they quite clearly are by any reasonable definition, that brilliant little observation is meaningless here.

"If you simply thought a bit before spewing, you could save us all the headache of having to read your incessant bickering."

Given that I haven't posted (or even visited) here in more than 3 days, the fact that you all are still arguing over it has jack-all to do with me. If people really thought the argument wasn't worth continuing, then they would have stopped by now. Not my fault you can't let go.

Posted by: kalo_rama | September 21, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

another topic.
Was looking on nba.com and saw the lebron highlight movie, but isn't highlight nr. 7 a travel violation?

curious what you guys think...

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/top_plays/2009/09/18/nba_20090918_cle_top10.nba/

Posted by: Goelez | September 21, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

DW :: Criminal as
KR :: DB

Posted by: Blurred | September 21, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Blurred

You are right training camp is in a couple of weeks and we haven't had a new post in 5 days....the Washington Post wonders why I quit getting their paper sent to my home.

Wake up people you have fans who are interested in this team...but you don't care?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | September 21, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

phil is lame and boring.
he's pressed to be neutral on a local broadcast.

"I DON'T KNOW, LOOKS LIKE CARON MIGHT HAVE GOT AWAY WITH A TRAVEL ON THAT"

Posted by: millineumman | September 21, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

You know '78 - I think you give honest Abe too hard of a time, but nonetheless, I'd probably enjoy watching a Wizards game with you!

Posted by: Blurred | September 21, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

My favorite "Lebronism" was when he proclaimed that the ref's were taking away his "signiture move", which he then named the "crab dribble".

Even ESPN had to make fun of the guy since "the move" consisted of Lebron taking a minimum of 4 steps with the ball on his hip.

The guy's good, but the league should make an effort keep him near three steps...

Phil & Buck could be better, but for some of you guys that are moaning, you should listen to some of the clowns on other team's home feeds. Some of them are bad to the point of sounding like they're doing a spoof of basketball announcers like in the movie "Semi Pro".

I'd like to see the Wiz start to break in a new color man and mix up the pairings a little like MASN does with the Oriole broadcasts.

When you have a long time color guy like the O's do with Palmer, there's only so much the man can say without starting to rant about how bad the team is, for how many years?
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | September 21, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

abe gets a hard time, people are riding the skins like seabiscut after a win and we're too hard on abe.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 21, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Seabiscut could score from inside the Red Zone...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | September 21, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Seabiscut could score from inside the Red Zone...
GM

Posted by: flohrtv | September 21, 2009 6:19 PM

Not with that O line.

Posted by: VBFan | September 21, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

""LOL except that one.Posted by: Samson151 | September 19, 2009 1:50 PM "
That was wasn't a prediction nor an opinion...it was a fact.Posted by: DC_MAN88"

Which would be your opinion. But not mine.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 21, 2009 12:31 PM "

Nobody really cares...

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | September 21, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Haven't posted in a while so here are a few catch-up thoughts:

I have always felt that though I like our Buck and Phil, I wish they would talk more about the nuances of what is happening on the floor rather than reading numbers, stats and telling old stories. Even though as an old guy I even like the stories, I wouldn't mind seeing new blood have a shot at the broadcast.

I do enjoy hearing opinions by non-local commentators thoughts on our team, whether opponant broadcasters or national network voices. They often confirm things that we all see but that Buck and Phil won't (or can't?) say. Buck and Phil do criticize the Wizards, but they are the kings of understatement whenever they do. Ever notice how many times Phil will see a Wizard who is ice cold from the field and describe them as "a little off?" Little is his favorite word! Drives me crazy.

I remember once last year hearing an opponent's announcer essentially say after Jamison had a hot streak that the player AJ was guarding was nevertheless having an easy time due to AJ's horrible D. Our guys just don't (can't?) say things like that about the Wizards. (No, I ain't hatin' because I think AJ plays hard. He just limited defensive ability. Those who say good defense is all heart have never seen him play).

Well camp is 2 weeks away! My enthusiasm was challenged a few days ago seeing Gil's quotes. We don't need him trying to make all NBA. He needs to be talking like AJ...about rings, not personal awards. We need 25 point and 11 assists, not 33 points and 4 dimes. With this supporting cast that is the formula for success.

I hope Flip, or AJ, or Caron sit him down before camp starts and straightens his head out. If not there is going to be a lot of disappointment around here.

BmoreRev

Posted by: stanlong23 | September 21, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about anyone else on here but back when I use to work, if I took a couple of days off for a vacation they expected one of two things.

1. I take my laptop and cell phone with me and do my work while I was away. 2. Have someone else do my work for me.

They would never tell clients sorry the person you need to speak too is on vacation call us next week when he comes back!

What happened did the news stop happening over the last week?

The Washington Post sucks as a newspaper!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | September 22, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

100th

Posted by: prescrunk | September 22, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

bulletsfan78
Yeah that's the way it was when I worked too.
The other thing that I remember about work is that it SUCKED.
The W Post isn't perfect but I moved and compared to what I get now it's Pulitzer Quality.

Posted by: VBFan | September 22, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

the times has has an update of flip's presser...MIKE JONES!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: BurgwithaU | September 22, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

So NOTHING for those of us without cable? It's getting to be that you have to have cable/satellite to be even an occasional sports fan. If the leagues/networks are so much into niche programming, I say just blow up the whole broadcast rights model and make everything ala carte and pay per view. Why should I pay Verizon for a 100 channels that I'll never have time to watch when all I want to do is watch the Wiz in HD?

Posted by: canda | September 23, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

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