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Morning buzz

The Wizards beat the 76ers, 90-89, last night after a comedy of errors in the closing seconds. Plus, Antawn Jamison is lifting weights.

* The Washington Times' Mike Jones writes that settling on an eight- to nine-man rotation is getting easier for Wizards Coach Flip Saunders -- not because players are distinguishing themselves with continued strong play but because players are eliminating themselves.

* Bullets Forever's Mike Prada says that despite the wacky ending, the Wizards played well.

* Truth About It has some fun with JaVale McGee's role in the goofy ending.

* McGee's dunk against the Hawks was No. 1 in Monday's Top 5 on nba.com.

Elsewhere in the league, the NBA referees could be back in time for the regular season.

By Alexa Steele  |  October 21, 2009; 9:48 AM ET
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Posted by: Goelez | October 21, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

The 8-9 man rotation will change game to game.....

.....and has A Blatche distinguished himself as AJ's back-up? Maybe Eddie Jordan is still holding him back?

Posted by: zxhoya | October 21, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

btw, nice dunk from Javale!!!

Posted by: Goelez | October 21, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I dont know if Mike Lee is freezing AB out or what...but now 2 recaps in a row where our supposed starting 4 isnt even mentioned. I did not see either game.

Has Blatche assumed his usual "invisible man" role now that the spotlight is on him? Or is he playing in a serviceable manner and we'll be ok if he needs to start and log heavy minutes for the 1st ten games of the season?

FLIP, DONT HURRY JAMISON BACK UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE

Posted by: divi3 | October 21, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Well, I'm guessing the WIZARDS won't be taking a "W" for granted October 30 when the high-flying HAWKS come to town. ATLANTA's team is on the rise, and the 'ZARDS aren't. Oh, the WIZ will be better than last year, and may ease into the play-offs in the lower rungs. But they are no match for the HAWKS at this point.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 21, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Saw the first quarter of the 76'ers game. Lots...I mean lots of turnover points scored by the opposition. We sure made it easy for them to stay in the game. Things don't look much different from last year running the offense or defense. No wonder the HAWKS cleaned their collective clocks.

BTW, the HAWKS have a blue-veiner where the WIZARDS are concerned. They consider the WIZ easy pickin's. That's four guaranteed "W's", and they play that way everytime they step on the court against AGENT ZERO et.al.

That said, new coach, new players, old injuries finally back on the court, this will be a work in progress. Should be improved by the second half of this season. If not........ouch. Let's don't consider that possibility. We want to reverse the REDSKINS mantra.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 21, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Great to be a WASHINGTON sports-fan isn't it? It's enough to make one become a hockey fan!!!!!

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 21, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Glawrence, are you basing your opinion of the Hawks vs. Wiz from the pre season game? If so I say slow your roll, it was a pre-sea game which dont mean squat, without GA, AJ and MM. We will see.

Posted by: zxhoya | October 21, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Since someone metioned Redskins...

Every time EJ mentioned he "emphasized defense," it always makes me laugh. I am sure Jim Zorn also "emphasizes offense," and yet, his offense has difficulty scoring touchdowns. There is a big difference between "emphasizing" and "coaching." To emphasize is one thing, being able to coach it is another.

EJ has a relatively successful tenure with the Wizards, but please quite talking about he emphasized defense; as his team has constantly among the worse defensive team until the arrival of Ayres.

Posted by: sagaliba | October 21, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Hawks never win anything and never will.

Posted by: divi3 | October 21, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"Saw the first quarter of the 76'ers game. Lots...I mean lots of turnover points scored by the opposition. We sure made it easy for them to stay in the game. Things don't look much different from last year running the offense or defense. No wonder the HAWKS cleaned their collective clocks."

Jeez... don't you know that NBA teams only play the 4th quarter?

Posted by: Samson151 | October 21, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

"Saw the first quarter of the 76'ers game. Lots...I mean lots of turnover points scored by the opposition. We sure made it easy for them to stay in the game. Things don't look much different from last year running the offense or defense. No wonder the HAWKS cleaned their collective clocks."

Jeez... don't you know that NBA teams only play the 4th quarter?

Posted by: Samson151 | October 21, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

If Josh Smith can avoid a major meltdown (big if) I think the Hawks might have the inside track on the #4 seed in the East.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 21, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Andray Blatch has become the usual scapegoat around here reguardless of what he does.

Posted by: millineumman | October 21, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree with Kal, the Hawks is the team to beat at number 4. Besides Josh, Hortford will be key to the team's success.

Posted by: Dave381 | October 21, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Horford is a major part of their success, but you generally know what you're going to get from him, in terms of both effort and production, night-in and night-out. He's been pretty consistent and dependable from day 1. Smith, on the other hand, is all over the place from game to game, largely because of swings in attitude and focus. If he can get it together upstairs, the Hawks could be a really dangerous team.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 21, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Larry,

Your guy Mr. Lawson had 8 assists last night…I would have loved to see him in a Wizards uniform this year.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 21, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Awesome dunk by Javale!

Posted by: Fontana1 | October 21, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Josh Smith could be the very reason the Hawks will never get over the hump. Werent they supposed to have "arrived" after taking Boston to 7 two years ago? what happened?

hawks-heat round1 last season was the worst playoffs basketball i have ever seen in my life and Smith was a big part of that. People who have complained that Arenas or Jamison are ball hogs who only care about their numbers really should watch Smith play.

Posted by: divi3 | October 21, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

"[theyre] gonna be nice and not even give young a missed shot?!?" Come on!!! That couldn't have been a more obvious off-the-backboard alley-oop! Also, in regards to our defense and big men, they shined last night. Blatche had a great game, made some critical shots, haywood and javale were dominant blocking and rebounding, and oberto stepped up as well with like 9 boards. We turned the ball over tons at the beginning, but by the end we improved on that and our defense was very solid throughout the game. It really shouldn't have been so close at the end. Without three primary scorers including our two best in arenas and jamison, i give the wizards a B plus grade last night. What's with all the negativity here? Fully healthy, and I know that's our problem, we are third best and at worst 4th best team in east, vying with orlando and just above atlanta. only boston and cleveland can beat us on a regular basis, or best of seven series, in the east.

Posted by: bbachrac | October 21, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully Gil watched the top 5 on NBA.com and saw the # 3 play where Kirk Hinrich passed the ball back to the trailing player.

Gil if you listen to the commentator he explains that Hinrich shares the ball like a point guard “SHOULD”.

We all know the old Gil would have tried to draw a foul on a lay up if he had the ball in that position!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 21, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

bulletsfan78 would like Arenas to never shoot the ball I see. He wants to take the best scorer on the team and 1 of the best in the league(when healthy), and have him pass the ball 100% of the time.

Give Arenas a break.

Posted by: G-Man11 | October 21, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Did you see the guys faces on the Hawks bench? Even they were going crazy. That was too funny

Posted by: dlts20 | October 21, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"Werent they supposed to have "arrived" after taking Boston to 7 two years ago? what happened?"

They won 10 more games, got a higher playoff seed, and made it deeper into the playoffs the following year.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 21, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"hawks-heat round1 last season was the worst playoffs basketball i have ever seen in my life and Smith was a big part of that. People who have complained that Arenas or Jamison are ball hogs who only care about their numbers really should watch Smith play."

Smith is a phenomenal athlete who really doesn't have a position or much of a skill game. He's starting at PF even though he's only 6' 7". He has no real inside moves and likes to launch 3s even though he's an awful shooter. If the Hawks had a big-bodied C they could start and move Horford to PF, Smith could really thrive off the bench, using his quickness and athleticism to overwhelm second line players. I agree that Smith's ability to get a clue may make the difference between them becoming or not becoming real contenders. That said, however, the Hawks have gotten better over the last couple years.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 21, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Great to be a WASHINGTON sports-fan isn't it? It's enough to make one become a hockey fan!!!!!

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 21, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

==================================

Watch the Capitals play and you will understand what a true fan should be entitled to with an elite team on the rise! You will also understand what a "franchise" player really looks and plays like.

Posted by: JohnWWW | October 21, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully Gil watched the top 5 on NBA.com and saw the # 3 play where Kirk Hinrich passed the ball back to the trailing player.

Gil if you listen to the commentator he explains that Hinrich shares the ball like a point guard “SHOULD”.

We all know the old Gil would have tried to draw a foul on a lay up if he had the ball in that position!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 21, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse


Yes, Gilbert Arenas should play more like Kirk Hinrich. Eliminate 80% of your abilities so you can play like a slightly above average guard, yes, that's what the Wizards need!

Hey Ernie Grunfeld, call up the Bulls and see if they will swap Kirk Hinrich for Gil, I doubt the Bulls will go for this trade but it never hurts to ask.

Posted by: zxhoya | October 21, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

He's starting at PF even though he's only 6' 7".

Smith is listed at 6'9.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/josh_smith/index.html

Posted by: joe_sill | October 21, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Shaq is listed at 325 lbs.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 21, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, Gilbert Arenas should play more like Kirk Hinrich. Eliminate 80% of your abilities so you can play like a slightly above average guard, yes, that's what the Wizards need!"

you gotta remember bullets78/DC_MANN is a Laker fan who posts here for some reason. Hates Gil for dumping 60 on kobe's head right in front of Jack.

Posted by: divi3 | October 21, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

hinrich didn't even need to pass that, he had a wide open layup but instead slowed down to make a highlight type pass, there is no way in hell gil should pass the ball in similar circumstance

Posted by: bford1kb | October 21, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

hinrich didn't even need to pass that, he had a wide open layup but instead slowed down to make a highlight type pass, there is no way in hell gil should pass the ball in similar circumstance

Posted by: bford1kb | October 21, 2009 3:12 PM


If it were Gil out front like that, no one would be able to catch him anyway.

"Those who can, can. Those who can't wish they were Gilbert Arenas"

Posted by: zxhoya | October 21, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

divi3 and G-Man11

Where did I write Gil should never take another shot or I thought he had the skill level of Hinrich?

I'm sorry I want the Wizards to win a championship and believe for that to happen (with Gil as the teams leader and point guard) Gil needs to get others players involved in the game before thinking about scoring his 60 points.

Why is the game of basketball so hard for some of you on here to understand?

Like the commentator stated a point guard “SHOULD” share the ball!


Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 21, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

of course a point guard should share the ball but when a player is an unguardable offensive talent like gil was and hopefully still is, you don't pass to jared jeffries and get an assist, instead you watch jj clang one and remember that you should shoot, when gil was healthy we had two other scoring options(cb and aj) and whole lot of guys who needed the gods to smile down on them in order to drop 15, and so far in the preseason, and his two-game cameo last year, gil has taken a lot fewer early shot clock bombs and looked to pass more often

Posted by: bford1kb | October 21, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I too hope gil becomes more of a faciltator because he has almost unlimited potential in this regard but you can't just hammer him senselessly after two+ years of being out, he may be the same man you love to hate or he may not

Posted by: bford1kb | October 21, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

check out my interview with Coach Saunders this afternoon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hueZ_kNLLjw

Posted by: gaholtzman | October 21, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

bulletsfan get over yourself...

You're acting like it was a gamedefining play... 2 points are 2 points, whether Arenas would've made the layup, or passed it to a trailing player... These kinda plays are not PG defining... If it would be another situation (Gil taking a ill advised jumper instead of passing to an open teammate going inside) you'd have a point... But since it's not, you don't...

Posted by: CaribbeaSkillz | October 21, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

bford1kb,

This part was really all you needed:

"you don't pass to jared jeffries and get an assist"

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 21, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

check out my interview with Coach Saunders this afternoon

Posted by: gaholtzman | October 21, 2009 4:04 PM

hope u didnt quit your day job... good work squandering your 2 minutes with Flip on the same five stupid questions he gets ad nauseam n00b

Posted by: prescrunk | October 21, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

check out my interview with Coach Saunders this afternoon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hueZ_kNLLjw

Posted by: gaholtzman | October 21, 2009 4:04 PM

Nice job on the interview.

I disagree with Flip about A Blatche. Sounds like he's giving AB a pass cause he's only 23. He's going into his 5th year as a pro. Time to act like a pro. At 23 years old he should have energy, and as a 4 year pro he should have gotten smarter. He has more playing time than most players picked 49th. So far in preseason he has shown some growth as a player. If he keeps it up he should help the Wizzies a lot this year. He still takes some ill advised shots. I hope Javale isn't taking advice from him.


Posted by: VBFan | October 21, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

what would you have asked him?

Posted by: gaholtzman | October 21, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

VBFan - Yeah I think it's now or never for Blatche. I actually said the same thing last year, but I'm willing to give him one more year before I give up on him.

Posted by: gaholtzman | October 21, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

AB may never be a great player, and if he does develop into something special it may not be for several more years...at which point he likely wont be here.

At the same stage of their careers, AB is a poor man's Odom.

imho, truth is expectations are too high for the guy, if he can just be a solid/serviceable pro every night than he was a very good pick.

Posted by: divi3 | October 21, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

what would you have asked him?
Posted by: gaholtzman | October 21, 2009 4:48 PM

off the top of my head:

How are we going to compete with the top EC teams with only one, unproven big man?

Is it possible that we will see another mid-season trade?

Other than health, what is your greatest concern this season?

In light of the fact that we were a lottery team this year, will Ernie be happy with a 1st round playoff exit?

Does Abe pinch pennies with his life insurance too?

u actually had time to plan for the interview... keep it up tho, Vinny Cerrato was a reporter too and now he's a pro GM.


Posted by: prescrunk | October 21, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

BTW, the HAWKS have a blue-veiner where the WIZARDS are concerned. They consider the WIZ easy pickin's. That's four guaranteed "W's", and they play that way everytime they step on the court against AGENT ZERO et.al.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 21, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Good. Let them keep thinking that way, and we'll see what happens when both teams have all their pieces in place, and the games actually mean something.

Posted by: rbpalmer | October 21, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Shaq is listed at 325 lbs.

Kalo_rama, I'm willing to learn from you. Can you point me to evidence that Josh Smith is widely believed to fall short of his listed height by more than the average player does, in the same way that Shaq is widely believed to exceed his listed weight significantly?

Let me help you out. It's true that if you go by his official draft measurements *without shoes", then he is 6'7 (we'll set aside the fact that he was 18 when measured and may have grown since then). That's not the convention that most people use when discussing a player's height. By that standard, Caron Butler is 6'5.25 and Dwight Howard is 6'9:

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=All&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=2

You don't necessarily always follow that convention yourself, since you told someone earlier that Al Thornton is 6'8 when he in fact he was measured at 6'5.75 without shoes pre-draft:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2009/01/crittenton_gets_some_run.html

Posted by: joe_sill | October 21, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

^ even at the high school level it is a common practice to list players 1-2 inches taller then they actually are. no way josh smith is 6-9

Posted by: prescrunk | October 21, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Yawn.

My point was pretty simple, clear, and hardly worth all the hoops you're jumping through trying to shoot it down. To wit:

Whatever his height (true or listed) Smith is undersized for the PF position. Anyone who's seen the Hawks play can attest to that fact. That's the long and short of it.

Have fun.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 21, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

"At the same stage of their careers, AB is a poor man's Odom."

More like a a bankrupt homeless man's Odom. Odom can capably play 3 positions, Blatche has trouble playing one consistently. Yeah, Odom got knocked early on for not always playing hard. But the difference is that Odom is so incredibly talented that even at less than full-speed he could still be effective at a high level. Blatche doesn't have nearly that big a margin for error.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 21, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

gaholtzman

I would have asked about his perceived difference between the Detroit front office and the Wizzies.

Has any player surprised him with their game?

If a couple of guards go down will Sam be activated.


Posted by: VBFan | October 21, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

bford1kb,

This part was really all you needed:

"you don't pass to jared jeffries and get an assist"

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 21, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/WAS/2006.html

Gil had AJ and CB to pass to on that team to get some assists?

Look at the playoff stats Gil had 32 AST and 20 TO in 6 games, but he averaged 34 points and that equaled a first round loss.

What's wrong with you people...why do you have a problem with Gil playing the game the right way?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 21, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

xzhoya:

Actually, no not on one pre-season game. I follow the HAWKS closely, and have been noting their progress for the past two years. I'm not an absolute expert on the ATLANTA ballers, but I know they've got it together, and that's something the WIZ are still searching for. October 30 will be ver-r-r-y interesting.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 21, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

"Saw the first quarter of the 76'ers game. Lots...I mean lots of turnover points scored by the opposition. We sure made it easy for them to stay in the game. Things don't look much different from last year running the offense or defense. No wonder the HAWKS cleaned their collective clocks."

Jeez... don't you know that NBA teams only play the 4th quarter?

RIGHT. That's how our team plays at any rate.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 21, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

If Josh Smith can avoid a major meltdown (big if) I think the Hawks might have the inside track on the #4 seed in the East.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 21, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

At least the fourth.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 21, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Josh Smith could be the very reason the Hawks will never get over the hump. Werent they supposed to have "arrived" after taking Boston to 7 two years ago? what happened?

hawks-heat round1 last season was the worst playoffs basketball i have ever seen in my life and Smith was a big part of that. People who have complained that Arenas or Jamison are ball hogs who only care about their numbers really should watch Smith play.

Posted by: divi3 | October 21, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

You and I may be watching the same game my friend, but we as far apart in our perceptions as a religious conservative and a flaming liberal. You may take either side of that statement that suits you and I'll be the other.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 21, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

BTW, the HAWKS have a blue-veiner where the WIZARDS are concerned. They consider the WIZ easy pickin's. That's four guaranteed "W's", and they play that way everytime they step on the court against AGENT ZERO et.al.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 21, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Good. Let them keep thinking that way, and we'll see what happens when both teams have all their pieces in place, and the games actually mean something.

Posted by: rbpalmer | October 21, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

You're gonna' get your wish in nine days. Be ready.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 21, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Great to be a WASHINGTON sports-fan isn't it? It's enough to make one become a hockey fan!!!!!

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 21, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

==================================

Watch the Capitals play and you will understand what a true fan should be entitled to with an elite team on the rise! You will also understand what a "franchise" player really looks and plays like.

Posted by: JohnWWW | October 21, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely. Only my total disgust for all things hockey prevent my being a fan. They rate support. And that's because the owners know what they're about. LERNERS, POLLIN, and SNYDER, not so much.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 21, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

glawrence, i'm jumping in this Hawks debate late, but from what I saw the Hawks were the most undisciplined team in the playoffs last year, particularly josh smith. They have great individual players, and on most nights that is probably good enough to win. Josh Smith epitomizes the selfish style that they play.

WIth that being said, I think the hawks will be challenging for the third and forth spot.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | October 21, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

prescrunk

what can i say? those are all good questions.
but the vinny comparison? come on man, i hate vinny just as much as you do.

Posted by: gaholtzman | October 21, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

The weakness in the HAWKS game has been BIBBY on defense. They have attempted to remedy that weakness with rookie JEFF TEAGUE and mainly JAMAAL CRAWFORD. I think BIBBY's minutes will be severely reduced to the improvement of the overall cohesivness of the club on defense. JOE SMITH will get spot duty alongside ZAZA PECHULIA in spelling AL HORFORD, another important upgrade. Their team is going to have to be reckoned with in the NBA east this year unless they are hit with the injury bug like the 'ZARDS.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 21, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey, EG. Take a look at GARRETT SILER, the huge rookie center the HAWKS just cut as a fifteenth man.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 21, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

6'11" 305, 22 years old. Put SILER on the squad for the league minimum and give him some coaching.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 21, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Just two reminders:

Lamar Odom was drafted 42 spots ahead of Blatche.

DeJuan Blair had 15 minutes during the part of a pre-season game that SA was up by 25-30 and had 90 pts midway through the 3rd quarter (before he entered).

That said, Blair maybe worth something.

Posted by: Blurred | October 21, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

On Josh Smith: most NBA guys don't grow a whole lot after they're drafted. If he's six-seven at the pre-draft camp, he's likely to be the same two years later. As he hits his mid-twenties, there should be some minimal compression that lowers his height, if not by much. General rule: the taller you are, the more you shrink when you hit the thirties and forties.

The funny thing to me is the shoes. You'd think there would be a standard sole, something that added, say, an inch and a half, but in fact plenty of players get bigger boosts. Whether this is for a psychological advantage, or just personal preference, or part of a shoe deal, I couldn't say.

Leaping ability changes more profoundly with age, on average. There are plenty of players who could could jump out of the gym as rookies who worry about dunking ten years later. A lot of that is cumulative wear and tear plus the various injuries and repairs over the years.

Seems to me the key measurement if you're a young rebounder is that standing vertical leap. The higher you can jump, and the quicker you can get to the apogee of your jump, the more natural advantage you'll have in retrieving the ball.

Unless you're standing next to Charles Oakley, who probably has his foot on your shoelace.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 21, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

"Lamar Odom was drafted 42 spots ahead of Blatche."

Which makes the repeated attempts to compare Blatche to him almost as silly as the comparisons to Kevin Garnett.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 21, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Exactly.

Blatche is good, and as I showed about a month ago, is about 1/2 a season from having the best stats of anyone drafted at his position in the past 30 years (currently held by former Bullet Haywoode Workman).

That said, he was a mid-second rounder, and while occasionally, there are really good players drafted at that point and very rarely a "great" player, getting a solid 15 minute contributor for a few years is more than enough to expect. If he can do that, then we got our pick and money's worth.

If he can exceed that, then we will have been extraordinarily lucky - or - gasp- EG is extraordinarily good at talent assessment.

Posted by: Blurred | October 22, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Look at the playoff stats Gil had 32 AST and 20 TO in 6 games, but he averaged 34 points and that equaled a first round loss.

What's wrong with you people...why do you have a problem with Gil playing the game the right way?

Posted by: bulletsfan78

Do you think the Wizards would have beaten the Lakers if Gil didnt score 60?

When you question other people's basketball I.Q., you need to question your own. It was said earlier by someone, that the only person Gil had to pass to was Antawn and Caron/Larry. Haywood went up weak or shot the ball like he had his eyes closed while falling away from the basket.(He is much better know). But back then, pew, he stunk! Etan, an undersized center, all he was good for was the same spin move. Michael Ruffin? Nuffin! Jarvis Hayes never panned out. He was fools gold. Jared Jeffries blew so many layups it was crazy, not to mention wide open jumpers. DeShawn is only effective playing alongside the Big 3 because he is left wide open. Where do you think his man is cheating to? His man is cheating towards Gilbert. In reality, as proven when Gil and Caron were out for the second Cleveland series, he went from 50/50 to "self-check" just like the rest of them.

So, why should Gil have passed to them? Just to make YOU happy? In reality, you would have complained whatever he did becuase they sure as hell would not have made the playoffs with Gil being a pure point-guard setting those bums up in scoring opportunities but not getting the assist cause they couldn't finish.

And those turnovers you talk about, IF YOU NOTICE, Gil is having an easier time getting into the lane. Why, because he is now playing with people that you have to respect. They respect Miller's 3, they left DeShawn open because they don't respect him so the guards collapsed toward Gil on his penetration making Gil split the double-team which is a "high degree of difficulty". With the new players, the game will be easier for Gil.

Posted by: G-Man11 | October 22, 2009 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Watched part of the game. AB appeared "servicable" during the minutes I saw him play. Watched the second qtr. only. He seems to have developed more upper body strength than he had last year (bigger pipes and shoulders).

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | October 22, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

"If he can exceed that, then we will have been extraordinarily lucky - or - gasp- EG is extraordinarily good at talent assessment.Posted by: Blurred"

What's the difference?

I think if you asked Ernie, he'd say he was a little better than average, with his share of bloopers.

It's a little like over on the football side, where Bill Belichick often gets credit for being a genius at recognizing and exploiting talent. Belichick himself is pretty cynical about the whole thing. He says he drafts a lot of players because a full 50% won't pan out, and he has trouble recognizing which is which.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 22, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

G-Man11

There are people who will still defend George W. for going into Iraq even though they never found any weapons of mass destruction?

I understand you are a Gil guy and he can do no wrong in your eyes.

I believe, until he is willing to get his team mates involved before trying to score his points he will never win a championship.

So far he's been just another AI and how many championships did he win?

Hopefully Flip can convince him to change his game.


Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 22, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

"Hopefully flip can change his game"

bulletsfan78, perhaps you are the hardheaded one.

'Scoring point guards have thrived under Saunders throughout his time in the NBA, and Saunders has shared the same message with Foye that he has with Stephon Marbury, Chauncey Billups, Terrell Brandon and now Arenas..."In this offense, it's always, 'Be aggressive first.' "

Sounds like Gil's game that you constantly knock is exactly what Flip wants.

Posted by: divi3 | October 22, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

G-Man11

There are people who will still defend George W. for going into Iraq even though they never found any weapons of mass destruction?

I understand you are a Gil guy and he can do no wrong in your eyes.

I believe, until he is willing to get his team mates involved before trying to score his points he will never win a championship.

So far he's been just another AI and how many championships did he win?

Hopefully Flip can convince him to change his game.


Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 22, 2009 9:32 AM

Who was the point guard on Jordan's Bulls? Who is the point guard on the Lakers? Cleveland? Those lil guys who bring the ball up on those teams are not "point guards". And neither is LeBron, Kobe, or Jordan. The point is they are ball players. So is Gil. He may not be on there level, but he is. He does pass the ball too. bulletsfan78, why do you act like he does not pass? He is not a pure point guard. Stop trying to make him CP3 or JKidd. But, in the same manner, CP3 or Kidd can't put 60 on you either and how many rings do they have? Also, Mike Miller will be Jordan's Paxson or BJ Armstrong for Arenas. Miller or DeShawn can be to Arenas, what Fisher is to Kobe. And Cleveland, they don't even have a point guard. So, what is your point bulletsfan78?

Posted by: G-Man11 | October 22, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

"That said, he was a mid-second rounder, and while occasionally, there are really good players drafted at that point and very rarely a "great" player, getting a solid 15 minute contributor for a few years is more than enough to expect. If he can do that, then we got our pick and money's worth."

I agree. But that "if" still remains pretty big, at this point. As always, the key is consistency. And Blatche has yet to demonstrate that on an ongoing basis. Doesn't matter where he was drafted, if he's going to be a reliable regular contributor, his coaches and teammates need to have reasonable idea what they're going to get from him on a nightly basis so they can game plan around it. They (and we) are still waiting for that to happen.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 22, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

So, what is your point bulletsfan78?

Posted by: G-Man11 | October 22, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

My point is MJ didn't win a championship until he learned he couldn't win the game by himself since it's a team game.

It took Kobe a few years after Shaq left to learn he needed to get his team mates involved before he won another championship.

LeBron still needs to learn that lesson.

The difference is those guys are capable of taking over a game when needed and Gil who is 6'3" is undersized to do so.

So he can either be another AI for the rest of his career or he can become a great point guard (like an Isiah Thomas) and possiblitiy win a championship.

divi3

How many championships rings does Flip have on his hand?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 22, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Are you telling me that Gil can't take over a game? That is asinine. He did take over games. To say others don't get involved in the game is saying that Caron, Larry, or Caron didn't get touches. Those other bums he played with were role players. Gil should not have to pass them the ball to get them to play there roles. Rodman rebounded. That was his role. They did not run plays for him. Scoring-wise, Rodman was a Ruffin. Gil did his role. As much as you hate to admit it, he did. The offense averaged damn near 100 pts a game at least. Just because they didn't win does not mean they lost but had the better team when they lost but Gil messed up.

Posted by: G-Man11 | October 22, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Bulletsfan78, are you really?

You see how well the team did last year without Gil. And, don't sit here and say that Brendon would have made the difference for the team last year. Yeah, the team may have won a few more games but without Gil this team still would not have been good enough to even consider making the playoffs. I have a question for you.....'Does Gil owe you money?' Is this why you dislike him so?

Posted by: sbowie1 | October 22, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

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