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Wizards (1-0) at Hawks (1-0)

Wizards starters: Gilbert Arenas, Mike Miller, Caron Butler, Fabricio Oberto, Brendan Haywood

Hawks: Mike Bibby, Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams, Josh Smith, Al Horford

Line: Hawks by 6.


You already know that the Wizards exercised the fourth-year and third-year options on shooting guard Nick Young and center JaVale McGee, respectively, which will ensure that -- barring a trade -- the two players will remain with the team through the 2010-11 season. But that also means that the Wizards also declined to pick up the fourth-year option on point guard Javaris Crittenton, which will allow Crittenton to become an unrestricted free agent next summer.

The Wizards drafted Young with the 16th pick in 2007 and McGee with the 18th pick in 2008 and both have shown some promise in their time in Washington. Young and McGee have yet to crack new Coach Flip Saunders's regular 10-man rotation, but these recent moves are a sign that the Wizards have been relatively pleased with their talent and overall growth.

Young averaged a career-high 10.9 points last season and has developed a reputation for being a streaky, though inconsistent, scorer. He focused on becoming a better catch-and-shoot player this summer, but has yet to grasp other intricacies of the game, most notably on the defensive end. Young is slated to earn $2.63 million next season.

McGee is an athletic 7-footer who has provided several highlight dunks and block shots but still remains unpolished. He started 14 games as a rookie last season, averaging 6.5 points, 3.9 rebounds and 1.0 blocks and earned an invitation to Team USA camp in Las Vegas last summer. McGee will earn $1.6 million next season.

Crittenton has been sidelined the third day of training camp with a bone bruise and strained tendons in his left foot, an injury originally sustained last summer in the Atlanta Pro League. He had exploratory surgery last Friday and said he expects to miss another six weeks with rest and rehabilitation.

Crittenton faced a major uphill battle for minutes, as the third-string point guard behind Gilbert Arenas and Randy Foye. He has been traded twice since the Los Angeles Lakers drafted him 18th overall in 2007. The Wizards acquired him in a three-team trade involving Memphis and New Orleans last December. He averaged 5.3 points and 2.6 assists in 56 games, including the first 10 starts of his career.

Under the collective bargaining agreement, only the first two years of a rookie contract are guaranteed, with the team having the option to pick up the third and fourth years of the contracts.

Had they picked up his option, Crittenton would have cost the Wizards $2.28 million in 2010-11. The Wizards now have six free agents next summer, with unrestricted free agents Brendan Haywood, Mike Miller, Mike James and Crittenton and restricted free agents Randy Foye and Dominic McGuire, on whom the Wizards having first right of refusal. The salary cap is expected to make another decline next season, after dipping to just $69.92 this season.

By Michael Lee  |  October 30, 2009; 7:21 PM ET
 
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Miller needs to learn that Wood cannot shoot jump shots. :)

Posted by: sagaliba | October 30, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

I thought Tim Donaghy was out of the NBA. It looks like he's made a reappearance on the court in tonight's game in ATL.

NBA: "Where fixed games happen".

Posted by: JPRS | October 30, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Man, after reading Donaghy's book excerpt (http://deadspin.com/5392067/), I started to wonder if ref had made some side bet on this game.

All the calls went Alanta's way. Atlanta used a lot of hands on defense, and yet no calls. Gilbert drives and got call for offensive. Their travel got overruled, and Gilbert got call for travel right before the first half!

Posted by: sagaliba | October 30, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Well right off the bat Rick Sund(Hawks gm) has outdone Ernie with the accquisition of Joe Smith and Jamal Crawford, Crawford is killing the wizards in addition Arenas has six turnovers by himself and is not shooting well Crawford has fifteen points in as many minutes is posing serious matchup problems for the Zards we are settling for jump shots instead trying to get the Hawks in foul trouble by driving to the basket lets see what Flip can come up with in the secong half.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 30, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Wow.

the first half was one of the worst officiated games i can remember. Not surprised at all to see Stafford on Donaghy's cheater list. He seems to either conveniently "not see" certain plays (i.e. Evens slamming the ball into the stands) or sees things that don't happen (i.e. Foye's phantom touch). This is a complete joke so far.

My guess is that the Hawks presented Stafford with an autographed team ball prior to tip off.

Posted by: superwilks1 | October 30, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree about the refs. The refs are responsible for about 8-10 points for the Hawks at this point. Haven't seen such unwarranted lopsided officiating in a long time. Not that we are playing great.

I think we'll make a game of it in the second half if our shooting improves.

Blatche is bringing it for the second game in a row. Probably our best player of the first half.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 30, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Are you guys for real?

They beat the Spurs and you have them the NBA Champs after one game and now they are down and it's the refs fault.

Man it's going to be a long season.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 30, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

NY is god awful! Is he regressing under the challenge to become a real player and thinking too much? Looks like it, which does not bode well for his future.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 30, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Where is Butler?

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 30, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Bulletsfan is in his fantasy world again. Nobody said it's their fault, but there were point swings readily attributable to bad officiating.

I am watching on NBA pass and have Hawks announcers and I have yet to see Butler. Is he sick or something? Missed the first quarter so I assumed he just did not play, but still no Butler.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 30, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Butler played in the first half but is out for the rest of the night with an unspecified knee injury.

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 30, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Home town officiating. Hopefully we'll get the same tomorrow night. As bad as we have played, we should be down by 20. Atlanta's defense is pretty good. Miller can't even get an open look.

Posted by: ptp23 | October 30, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Are you f'ing serious? Butler out with knee injury? Wow. Look serious? No wonder they are playing like they are deflated. And, besides god awful shooting, poor foul shooting, turnovers et al, we are still in the game. But, no Butler and Jamison I would expect to lose. C'mon. Not again. Say it ain't so.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 30, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I am sure Young just had a bad night. He will contribute before the year is out.

I believe they said Butler had a bruised knee.

Posted by: cannontl | October 30, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Please waive Nick Young immediately. He is single handedly costing us the game. I am saying waive and not trade because I don't see any other team dumb enough to trade anyone for him.
And those of you that have claimed to really like him know absolutely nothing about basketball.
I just kills me when he misses and barely looks he is jogging back on defense. Oh my goodness, he's got to be one of the worst first round draft picks in history.
And what happened to Flip's 8-man rotation?

Posted by: Utilityman1 | October 30, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Man, Arenas comes down and jacks up a 3 that would have closed the gap to 5 and then Miller just inexplicably leaves Marvin Williams WIDE open for a 3. What a boneheaded play by him. Probably getting chewed out during the timeout. Ball game right there.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 30, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Well EG just picked up Young's option, which means he could be a Wizard at least thru 2010-2011.

Posted by: cannontl | October 30, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

It's because of comments like cannontl that this team is going nowhere. The Wizards and their fans have the highest tolerance for mediocrity in the entire league. Could you imagine NY playing like this in San Antonio, LA or any other elite teams. They would ship him out before the season starts. But with Wizards'fans, it's always "give him some time" or "he had a decent preseason" or "he got some potential". Seriously??? He is a lottery pick in his 3rd year, I knew from day 1 he wasnt going to be any good, based on his nonchalent attitude. If you Keep tolerating players like this, then don't be upset if we don't win squat!!!

Posted by: Utilityman1 | October 30, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Bad game all around. Offense never got in a rythm. Gave up like 100 offensive rebounds. Way too many TOs. Especially against a team like ATL, you're def. gonna lose.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 30, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

No idea why he picked up his option. He has done absolutely nothing for 3 years, not a half good game. His salary could have been used to sign a much better player.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | October 30, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

It's not Gilbert's night tonight.

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 30, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

We'll just have to beat Atlanta when they come to the Verizon Center - in February.

Posted by: cannontl | October 30, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Nick Young lost this game for us. His cluelessnes when he got into the game cost us big time on both ends of the floor. On offense he was stuck in the corner and jackin up horrible shots. On defense he missed his assignments alot. I really don't know why Flip kept him in the game for so long.

Anyway no Butler and no Jamison meaning there was no one there to pick up the slack. All the big men played well tonight (Blatche, Haywood, and McGee) And what happen to the 8 man rotation ??? FOULS is what happen.

Posted by: ATLredskin | October 30, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Blatche had a similar problem, utilityman1, but may be turning it around this year (but we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves with him either).

One bad 5 minute stretch doesn not a season make.

Posted by: cannontl | October 30, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz just aren't playing as well tonight as a team.

I don't see why they don't try to get Miller open for three point shots since they have been behind most of the game by 10-12 points.

Posted by: cannontl | October 30, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

1. NY is disappointing.
2. Wish Miller would shoot more, and not just pass off.
3. At least AB played another good game. Not great, but in control.
4. Hope nothing seriouse with Butler's imuury.

Posted by: sagaliba | October 30, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Flips 8 man rotation is blown up when two guys are out injured and others are playing terribly. Is that hard to figure out?

Well, I expect to lose the game with Butler going down. There is no flow, no anything on defense or offense. Sounds like we started out the game strong, which I missed, but Butler leaves and all floor balance/continuity is out the door.

Oh well, hope he gets back soon. No team is deep enough to miss 2 of their top 3 players and look good vs a quality opponent on their home court. The Curse Le Boulez strikes again.

One nitpick on Saunders this game. Should have left McGee in the game even longer than he did. He was impacting the game, only one boneheaded play - maybe two, and is a better matchup vs the athletic Hawks than BH. He is probably the most athletic guy in the league even more so than say Josh Smith.

Mike Miller? Where are you? You haven't played bad, but your lack of aggression and shots is starting to worry me. Maybe last years career low scoring average was not an aberration. I see nothing dynamic in your game anymore. Hopefully it's just an adjustment thing with a new system new team. Tonight, we could have used 18-20 out of you and you seemed more worried about passing than even considering shooting the ball. Not good!

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 30, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Vince Carter went down tonight with a sprained ankle and did not return for the 2nd half.

Posted by: ptp23 | October 30, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

"Should have left McGee in the game even longer than he did."

McGee was exciting to watch when he was there. But he was taken out after he failed to come back, and Miller had to cover McGee's man, and leaves his own man open for a 3 pointer. Don’t know if McGee just didn't hustle to come back, or he was tired. Either way, he was taken out.

Posted by: sagaliba | October 30, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Since when is QR a small forward? Look at the picture. He and Wade are the same size. And, I don't think that move matters much at all nor the Atlanta Hawks move. Yeah, the Hawks are better, but how many more wins better? I think very few.

Plus, last I checked we were DOA last year so that helped the Hawks victory total and eliminated us from the picture. ----This year we will be in that picture and ahead of the Hawks--------- while battling Orlando for the division.

LOL

HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: hawksfanwithlongmemory | October 30, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

It's because of comments like cannontl that this team is going nowhere. The Wizards and their fans have the highest tolerance for mediocrity in the entire league. Could you imagine NY playing like this in San Antonio, LA or any other elite teams. They would ship him out before the season starts. But with Wizards'fans, it's always "give him some time" or "he had a decent preseason" or "he got some potential". Seriously??? He is a lottery pick in his 3rd year, I knew from day 1 he wasnt going to be any good, based on his nonchalent attitude. If you Keep tolerating players like this, then don't be upset if we don't win squat!!!

Posted by: Utilityman1 | October 30, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse
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Ummm....every team in the league has players that the team is waiting on potential to turn into reality. So, don't make it into a Wizard's only team problem. Some turn the corner, others don't, and then the next wave of players comes in to replace them when they don't. So, just an all-around ridiculous post. Not to mention the fact that NY was not a lottery pick. Not even close!

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 30, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

lol, nice post above from august!!!

Don't talk the talk if you cannot walk the walk!!!!

Posted by: hawksfanwithlongmemory | October 30, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

hawksfanwithlongmemory,

Remember. It's a long season.

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 30, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I would start Foye over Miller from this point on and let Miller come off the bench, i don't think he'll be starting when AJ comes back anyway,tonite was a good example why bench play is important in this league Nick Young should know by now that he has to be ready to contribute immeadiatley ASAP!!! the one difference i think is going to be how well Flip's staff will work with the team, one thing EJ's staff had going for it was experience(O'Koren,Ayers,Hubbard) while Sam Cassell is in his first year and has to earn the player's respect the Hawk's are a force in this division no quastion and they have depth and are well coached still if the wizards play their game the games should be close the Hawk's have now beaten the Wizard's five in a row,hopefully Caron is not hurt seriously home opener tommorow need to defend the home court.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 30, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

"Should have left McGee in the game even longer than he did."

McGee was exciting to watch when he was there. But he was taken out after he failed to come back, and Miller had to cover McGee's man, and leaves his own man open for a 3 pointer. Don’t know if McGee just didn't hustle to come back, or he was tired. Either way, he was taken out.

Posted by: sagaliba | October 30, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse
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Huh, ok. Thx man! Nice observation. That was the play I mentioned earlier that ended the game where Miller was sucked inside and MW's was wide open for a 3. Guess I missed the full development of that play! Again, nice observation. So make that at least 2 boneheaded plays maybe 3. He can be frustrating. How about the great offensive rebound that few in the league would have gotten then he goes straight into a falling out of bounds, off balance, turnaround jumper from 7 ft. Clank! When he harnesses his game, that is a kick out and reset. Otherwise, that was pretty much a wasted opportunity.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 30, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Ummm....every team in the league has players that the team is waiting on potential to turn into reality. So, don't make it into a Wizard's only team problem. Some turn the corner, others don't, and then the next wave of players comes in to replace them when they don't. So, just an all-around ridiculous post. Not to mention the fact that NY was not a lottery pick. Not even close!
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How long you wait on potential is the difference between a good club and a mediocre club. Dozens of players drafted above 16th (which only 2 spots above the lottery, WHICH IS WAY ABOVE!!!!) have done alot better around the league. Yeah, keep waiting on NY to develop while his salary could be used on people that can better contribute.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | October 30, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Gil 9-22 4ast 7 to isn't going to get it done in the NBA.

Don't worry about CB and AJ ernie got Foye and MM that's going to put this team over the top remember?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 30, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Blatche had a similar problem, utilityman1, but may be turning it around this year (but we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves with him either).

One bad 5 minute stretch doesn not a season make.

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Blatche is a different since he is a big man. Not only are they harder to find but take alot longer to develop. Furthermore, Blatche had shown flashes of brilliance the past couple of years, granted he hasnt been consistent but you could tell if he gets his head straight, he would turn into something special.
NY has done nothing but getting paid and being lazy. He hardly runs back on defense. He actually jogs back, what the heck!!!

Posted by: Utilityman1 | October 30, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Dargreg,

Still can't get over your love affair with EJ I see. I would be willing to bet with EJ and his staff, we would have lost this particular game by 20+. With Jamison and Butler out, his offensive system would have been neutered and with no defense it would have been a blow out. And, we didn't play great defense tonight, but we did play decent defense for stretches.

Also, besides the fact that FS is a better head coach than EJ, you list his assistants as if they are some gold standards in assistant coaches. I, for one, like someone like Sam Cassell as an assistant especially for the guards. A proven winner and a relevant person to those he is teaching. Not someone who may have played in the league 20/30 years ago.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 30, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

would start Foye over Miller from this point on and let Miller come off the bench, i don't think he'll be starting when AJ comes back anyway,tonite was a good example why bench play is important in this league Nick Young should know by now that he has to be ready to contribute immeadiatley ASAP!!! the one difference i think is going to be how well Flip's staff will work with the team, one thing EJ's staff had going for it was experience(O'Koren,Ayers,Hubbard) while Sam Cassell is in his first year and has to earn the player's respect the Hawk's are a force in this division no quastion and they have depth and are well coached still if the wizards play their game the games should be close the Hawk's have now beaten the Wizard's five in a row,hopefully Caron is not hurt seriously home opener tommorow need to defend the home court.

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Foye is 6'1 or 6'2 at the most. He is actually shorther than Gil. He may be a decent player but how is someone this short going to defend 2 guards like Kobe, Carter, Wade, Roy, Manu.....
NY should know by now that he has to contribute???? So he doesnt know that yet? Are they just paying him charity money: here are your millions bud, you don't have to contribute!!!!

Posted by: Utilityman1 | October 30, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

My problem is always the overreaction to one game by the Wiz as a team or one game by a player.

Young has played exactly 13 minutes so far this season. Let's see his play over 20 games and see how it stacks over his play in the past.

(BTW, Young has shown flashes of talent in the past also or he would not still be here.)

Posted by: cannontl | October 30, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Utility,

Again, nonsense. He is a bench player now with potential to be a starter. You talk about all these what if's, well name the what if's. What if he turns into the starter that he is capable of being? Guess you missed stretches of his career where he averaged 20+ over 7-10 game spans, his 30+ game vs Kobe and the Lakers in LA etc... I am not his biggest fan yet, but your arguments are nonsense at this point.

And the typical ignorant yapping from "Bulletsfan".

Gil 9-22 4ast 7 to isn't going to get it done in the NBA.

Don't worry about CB and AJ ernie got Foye and MM that's going to put this team over the top remember?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 30, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abus
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Yeah, dumb dumb. It makes them a dangerous and deep team when healthy, which we saw the first game. Now, we are already getting hurt by injury, which is nothing you can control.

Just like the first game was one game so was this one. No Butler and Jamison, I expect to lose to most good teams on the road. Particularly when GA has not completely knocked the rust off his game and is not going to carry this team by himself at this point.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 30, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Well, well, well...

The same people here who were going ga ga over the first win of the season over a creampuff Mavs team with a soft 4 and a 36 year old PG who's about 3 steps slow with his knee surgeries.....now they want to blame the refs for Les BouleS loss.

Whatever.

The lesson is not to get too high over wins, and not to get too low over losses.

Les BouleS pretty much got blown out tonight except for last minute run that made it somewhat respectable, although still more than 10 pts loss.

Where are the people who were raving about Gilby's defense with how he bent his knees? Where is the moron raving about Gilby and Foye's instant chemistry together after only one game?

The reason why Les BouleS lost tonight is that they could not match the intensity of the Hawks and they played a team unlike the Mavs, which means athletic bigs and scoring guards....not Dirk the jump shooting stiff and JKidd the passer.

Jamal Crawford did whatever he wanted and neither Gilby nor Foye could stop him. MeShawn and NY had no impact.

Les BouleS had bright spots such as AB and BTH. Gilby got his points...most of them late, but also 7 turnovers including the first play of the game where he bounced a ball off his foot out of bounds.

As expected, JaTravel plays like short candle...fire for a bit, then that's it. AB clearly should have had more touches, but the team settled for too many J's and too many bailout prayers from the refs.

Again people, not too high over wins, and not too low over losses.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 30, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

"Don't worry about CB and AJ ernie got Foye and MM that's going to put this team over the top remember?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 30, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abus"

And with Caron out, Eminem the 3 point specialist shot no 3 pointers and took only 5 shots overall with 7 pts. Sure, he got a lot of boards, and I give him kudos for his hustle, but EG brought him here to score...not to scrap.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 30, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Again, nonsense. He is a bench player now with potential to be a starter. You talk about all these what if's, well name the what if's. What if he turns into the starter that he is capable of being? Guess you missed stretches of his career where he averaged 20+ over 7-10 game spans, his 30+ game vs Kobe and the Lakers in LA etc... I am not his biggest fan yet, but your arguments are nonsense at this point.

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Yeah, wait for him to turn into a starter (which is never gonna happen, not even in the D League) and let him eat away more cap money that could be used to bring in a quality player.....

Posted by: Utilityman1 | October 30, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Tonights performance was what I expected the Zards to look like Tuesday against the Mavs. But the Zards really wowed the fan base and raised expectation.

I'm not too disappointed though. The Hawks are an excellent team...at HOME. So looking at the first 5 road games on the schedule this season:

@Dallas
@Atlanta
@Cleveland
@Indiana
@Miami

A 2 and 3 road record wouldn't be too shabby because that really, really looks like a 1 and 4 stretch.

Of course,if injuries don't completely decimate the roster, there's an opportunity to go 3 and 2.

Nick Young definitely looks like someone that shouldn't see the court until sometime after the all star break.

I concur with sagaliba, Mike Miller must be more aggressive on the offensive end. He passed up good looks to get the ball to lesser shooters!

Perhaps Caron should become the 6th man on this team. I don't think he can play an entire season without something as simple as diving on the floor, or blocking a shot causing a relevant injury!!

Gil was knocked the floor countless times, gets up, no problem. Caron hits the deck once, intentionally, gets hurt and can't finish the game...Un-believable!!

Anyway, ON TO OPENING NIGHT AT THE PHONE BOOTH!

Posted by: bozomoeman | October 30, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

You mean the same creampuff Mavs team that is beating the Lakers in LA right now and will most likely win 50 games for the 9th straight season? Just goes to show your absurd bias and pessimism.

And, an 11 point loss on the road to a good team when your 2nd best player is out of the game early, is not a blow out. In fact, GA had a 3 attempt to make it a 5 pt game with 6 mins left. Wow, yeah, what a blowout. That is with virtually nobody playing well and some like NY playing horribly. To me that is progress bc in the past this game would have been a true blow out. Hell, we probably missed 11 foul shots.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 30, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

One positive -- the Wizards continued to play pretty good perimeter defense; and they stayed close throughout the second. Their defense wasn't good enough to shut down ATL when they needed too; and the shots just weren't falling.

Free throw shooting too was a killer.

If the Wizards want to beat a team like ATL on the road and overcome home-town cooking by the NBA's Donaghys they need to make every possession count. After the 15 point run in the first quarter they started settling for shots (e.g. what in the world is a guy like Haywood doing jacking up a shot 18 feet from the basket with time on the clock?).

Posted by: JPRS | October 30, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Which team will finish with the higher seed? WASHINGTON 86% to HAWKS 14%. REALLY!!!!! I told you the HAWKS think the WIZ are an easy four wins this year. We didn't play them tough. Too many early turnovers, etc. Lack of focus. No outside shots. Almost looks like the ATLANTANS have the WIZ's number.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 30, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

This is a slightly above average team (average = .500) which mean they are going to lose almost as many games as they win.

The people on here who blindly follow the organization will always see things their way and will never place blame where it belongs (refs, bad luck, and injuries). CB gets hurt every year so please save the sad stories for another day.

I stated (before the season even started) that I agreed with Mike’s assessment of the team and thought they would have trouble with team chemistry early on.

I see this team for what it is…a point guard (Gil) who plays like the me first master AI, a shooting guard Foye and/or MM who will never be able to guard a guy like Kobe, a small forward who was born in a shooting guards body, a power forward who plays soft, and an average center. The bench is going to be good some nights and bad some nights but never consistent.

The best we can hope for is the Wizards make the playoffs and Abe gets the 3 million he spent this year to go over the luxury cap?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 30, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

"You mean the same creampuff Mavs team that is beating the Lakers in LA right now and will most likely win 50 games for the 9th straight season? Just goes to show your absurd bias and pessimism.

And, an 11 point loss on the road to a good team when your 2nd best player is out of the game early, is not a blow out. In fact, GA had a 3 attempt to make it a 5 pt game with 6 mins left. Wow, yeah, what a blowout. That is with virtually nobody playing well and some like NY playing horribly. To me that is progress bc in the past this game would have been a true blow out. Hell, we probably missed 11 foul shots.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 30, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse "

Yes, that same creampuff team, and before you crap your knickers, right now, it's only the 2nd quarter with 5:11 left and the Mavs are 40-37 against the Lakers. Don't get too excited over this game just yet to justify your weak argument.

The Les BouleS game was a blowout, and don't give me the "2nd best player is out," when there's are two new starter quality players on the team to go along with AB and BTH making nice contributions.

Again, not too high, not too low, despite your absurd example about a Mavs-Lakers game in the 2nd half.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 30, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

One nitpick on Saunders this game. Should have left McGee in the game even longer than he did. He was impacting the game, only one boneheaded play - maybe two, and is a better matchup vs the athletic Hawks than BH.

He was impacting the game in the "ZARDS' favor. But McGEE was losing his focus and becoming a bit unglued. Out of position, looking for spots to get the ball away from the close-in basket area. Getting a little winded on the "d" end.

And BH is the veteran. Show time. Unfortunately, BRENDEN ran and hid.

I do agree, J-Mac's athleticism is astounding. Those alley-oop jams, one and both hands. WOW!!!! Double WOW!!!!

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 30, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

You're the absurd pessimist. I am trying to enlighten your brain with fact. But, believe what you like. A creampuff does not give the defending champs all they can handle in their building. A good team does no matter the final outcome.

Some interesting stats:

14-22 on foul shot vs 31-34 for the Hawks

- Besides our inept shooting at the line it also points out the *fact* that the Hawks got more calls and it was not based entirely on play either. The Mavs game was called straight up. This game was not.

We shot 44% from the field vs 41% for Hawks

- Surprised our percentage was that high, but impressed that once again we played decent defense. So used to the 48%+ percentages we gave up in the past and it's exactly why we were still in the game til late.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 30, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Only saw 2nd half. Quick observations:

*Miller needs to shoot a lot more.
*Foye was ice cold and should have shot less.
*Gil's dribbling is rusty.
*Haywood makes major difference on defense
*McGee is potentially a real sparkplug.
*Even without 2 of our 3 all stars we stayed with the Hawks on the road. You really can't be mad at that.
*Great to see AJ working out and shooting. should return more like the 4 instead of the 6 weeks.
* Our first goal should be to win 3 of the first 5. then 6 of our first 10. Still quite obtainable.

BmoreRev

Posted by: stanlong23 | October 30, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

rphilli721

The Lakers only beat the Clippers 99-92.

It's called a championship hangover!

I understand why Wizard fans wouldn't know what that is since they haven't won a championship in over 30 years.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 30, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

"You're the absurd pessimist. I am trying to enlighten your brain with fact. But, believe what you like. A creampuff does not give the defending champs all they can handle in their building. A good team does no matter the final outcome.

Some interesting stats:

14-22 on foul shot vs 31-34 for the Hawks

- Besides our inept shooting at the line it also points out the *fact* that the Hawks got more calls and it was not based entirely on play either. The Mavs game was called straight up. This game was not.

We shot 44% from the field vs 41% for Hawks

- Surprised our percentage was that high, but impressed that once again we played decent defense. So used to the 48%+ percentages we gave up in the past and it's exactly why we were still in the game til late.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 30, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse "

You are a moron.

Please reread the statement that I've posted many times: "not too high, not too low."

Note something else. A total of 23 PF's were called on Les BouleS. A total of 24 PF's was called on the Hawks.

23 is pretty close to 24 if you ask me.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 30, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

@gl

I hear ya. As pointed out to me, he did not get back on defense for that one back breaking 3 with about 6 mins left, which sucked Miller into the lane.

Believe me, I am not one of the blind McGee bandwagoneers on here that says he should play 20 mins a night right now. I just thought for this game he was playing really well and it was a good match up for him. But, it seems FS made the right move at the right time.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 30, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse


The Les BouleS game was a blowout, and don't give me the "2nd best player is out," when there's are two new starter quality players on the team to go along with AB and BTH making nice contributions.

Again, not too high, not too low, despite your absurd example about a Mavs-Lakers game in the 2nd half.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 30, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Blowout? You really do hate the Wiz. You're not a Wiz fan.

Posted by: ptp23 | October 31, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

23 fouls vs. 24 fouls. Sadly, the Wiz's fouls resulted in 34 free throws for the Hawks (I guess they were just about always in the act of shooting when fouled) and the Hawks' fouls resulted in 22 free throws for the Wiz. Golly Gee.

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 31, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

"23 fouls vs. 24 fouls. Sadly, the Wiz's fouls resulted in 34 free throws for the Hawks (I guess they were just about always in the act of shooting when fouled) and the Hawks' fouls resulted in 22 free throws for the Wiz. Golly Gee.

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 31, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse "

With the same amount of fouls but different trips to the FT line, that usually means most of the fouls on the Hawks were shooting fouls....Hawks were more aggressive.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 31, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

@ DC,

I am not too high, but you certainly are too low/pessimistic per usual. So, take your own advice. Your assertion that the Mavs are creampuffs is what is moronic and that has nothing to do with the Wizards.

52-45 at half. Damn, the Mavs suck. Oh yeah, forgot the Lakers have a championship hangover so it doesn't count or matter. Dunderheads!

Guess the 8 straight seasons with 50+ wins while adding Marion to a team with two HOF's means nothing either. So absurd.

Finally, I don't care about total fouls. The fact is the game I watched we should have had just about as many foul shots as they did. You're telling me most of our fouls were committed while they were shooting while most of their fouls were not. Yeah, right. It may have been how it was called, but that does not make it correct.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 31, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

"

@ DC,

I am not too high, but you certainly are too low/pessimistic per usual. So, take your own advice. Your assertion that the Mavs are creampuffs is what is moronic and that has nothing to do with the Wizards.

52-45 at half. Damn, the Mavs suck. Oh yeah, forgot the Lakers have a championship hangover so it doesn't count or matter. Dunderheads!

Guess the 8 straight seasons with 50+ wins while adding Marion to a team with two HOF's means nothing either. So absurd.

Finally, I don't care about total fouls. The fact is the game I watched we should have had just about as many foul shots as they did. You're telling me most of our fouls were committed while they were shooting while most of their fouls were not. Yeah, right. It may have been how it was called, but that does not make it correct.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 31, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse "

Really, utter stupidity is usually a example about a game only in the 2nd quarter to justify your weak argument. Check that at the door.

And BTW, past performance is no guarantee of future returns.

As I said, Dirk is a 7 ft. jump shooting nonatheltic dude, JKidd is a 36 year old passer who is about 3 steps slower, and Marion is new to the team.

Gilby can do well against teams that don't have scoring guards, but not so well on the opposite when he actually has to play defense.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 31, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, it's only a 19 point lead now. God they suck. Kidd is a washed up HOF and the only person calling DN just a non-athletic shooting dude is you - moronically so. He is only one of the hardest to guard most athletic 7 footers in the league to go along with being one the best shooters. But, keep showing your utter lack of basketball knowledge, it's quite amusing. Seems like you got many who agree with you in here as well. lmao.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 31, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

@DCMad

I don't think you can hang tonight's loss on poor defense by Gilbert. It was a team effort.

I'd be as inclined to chalk it up to early season adjustments. This is a new system and we were relying on many 'newsed' players. Glibert's recent return probably has a lot to do with his loose handles. Caron being out didn't help, he is a guy who can turn it on and make a difference at both ends during key parts of the game.

I think any shooting guard in the league is going to have a tougher night when they play a team with another active shooting guard. That's like discovering the ocean (as they say)...

Looking forward to tonight's home opener, and hopefully the team will be up for it.

Posted by: gconrads | October 31, 2009 12:43 AM | Report abuse

It was not a poor defensive showing period. I'll take the opponent shooting only 41% any game. There were breakdowns at key moments in the game, but overall it was fairly solid defense. Again!

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 31, 2009 12:55 AM | Report abuse

"Yeah, it's only a 19 point lead now. God they suck. Kidd is a washed up HOF and the only person calling DN just a non-athletic shooting dude is you - moronically so. He is only one of the hardest to guard most athletic 7 footers in the league to go along with being one the best shooters. But, keep showing your utter lack of basketball knowledge, it's quite amusing. Seems like you got many who agree with you in here as well. lmao.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 31, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse "

Please, your narrow view is ridiculous.

JKidd has 2 pts in the game with 1:36 left in the 4th quarter. As I've said, Gilby does well against guards whom he doesn't have to worry about scoring on him. Not so well the opposite.

And since Les BouleS beat the Cavs last season where they ended up in the lottery at the end of the season, then during the Cavs game, that was supposed to mean something too? Guess what, it didn't. Les BouleS were still lottery bound.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 31, 2009 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Ummm...again you obfuscate with no real point. Anytime your cornered and wrong, you switch topics or use some sort of nonlinear logic. Mavs = creampuffs not true. I don't care how many points Kidd got in the game. They blew them out. He also had 11 assists. And, I brought this game up to debunk your theory that somehow although they have won 50 games for 8 straight seasons they are all of a sudden washed up "creampuffs". They just blew out the champs on their home court. Game was never in doubt after the half. And game over on your arguments, which is really just about your lame anti-GA anti-anything positive outlook.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 31, 2009 2:33 AM | Report abuse

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