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Young lost in the shuffle

Lost in the euphoria of the Wizards' surprising 102-91 road win over the Dallas Mavericks on Tuesday was that Flip Saunders appears to have settled on a rotation -- and that doesn't bode well for youngsters and summer league superstars Nick Young and JaVale McGee. Young got his first DNP-Coach's Decision, while McGee played a total of 42 seconds near the end of the first half.

Mike James also got a DNP-CD, but that wasn't a surprise. Young and McGee entered training camp with high expectations and both made comments about how determined they were to earn Saunders's favor and get minutes. They still have time over the course of a long, 82-game season (especially given the Wizards poor run of injuries), but they didn't do enough during the preseason to win over Saunders.

Young had the most promising beginning, as he started the first game of the preseason and scored 11 points in a win against Memphis. Gilbert Arenas joked with Young before that game that he could be benched just as quickly if he didn't continue to perform well -- and that turned out to be the case for Young. He started out hot, then hit a slump, but even as he heated up again in games against Atlanta and Philadelphia, Young kept slipping in other areas.

"He's shown inconsistency," Saunders said about Young on Tuesday. "He hasn't shown an ability to grasp everything we're trying to do, the way we, or ideally how we want to play. If one guy is screwing up your offense or defense, the whole team looks bad. I talked to him about that [on Monday]. He has to become direction oriented in order to understand what those assignments are. And be able to follow out those assignments."

Young certainly improved from last season to this season, after working with Saunders and assistant Coach Sam Cassell. He doesn't try the "herky-jerky" dribbling to get his shot off as much and has developed into a better catch-and-shoot scorer. But if his shot doesn't fall, Young continues to sulk and lose track of making an impact elsewhere.

He admitted last week that he struggles when his shot doesn't fall, something that assistant Randy Wittman has urged him to fight through. "It's kinda tough being a young guy and trying to do so well," Young said.

Dominic McGuire played 2:20, with the Wizards limited in front court options, and he got the call off the bench before McGee. I don't think Saunders would hesitate to use McGee in a pinch, especially if Brendan Haywood or Andray Blatche get in foul trouble. Saunders has already made it clear that he wants to limit Fabricio Oberto's minutes.

Young has a greater challenge, because Saunders has several options at shooting guard, with Mike Miller, DeShawn Stevenson and even Randy Foye, who actually played quite well alongside Arenas. "Randy brings that Larry Hughes element where we can both play the one or two depending on who's hot and who's not," said Arenas, who has sorely missed playing alongside another playmaker and scorer like Hughes. "I work one side of the floor, he works the other."

After Foye dropped 19 points on the Mavericks, Saunders said, "He's always played well against Dallas, even when he was in Minnesota. Also, he's a popcorn player, when the lights are on, he seems to play."

Young is still hoping to become a popcorn player.

By Michael Lee  |  October 28, 2009; 4:38 PM ET
 
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Posted by: musicman65000 | October 28, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

great win for my boys, Nick Young will get his time. I feel the rotations may change with match up.

Posted by: Keith28dagger | October 28, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Not surprised.

Sure, Young will play. But, he probably doesn't play consistently unless the unfortunate happens. Right now, the rare occasions this team may struggle offensively, he may come off the bench instead of say DS to try and provide a spark. Otherwise, I see many more DNP's in his future. If you're not with the program, get with it, or sit.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 28, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

NY will get his time. You can tell from the Dallas game how little room there is for error. You cannot afford to get lost for a couple of plays and the coach cannot wait 5 minutes of game time for a player to become motivated. You have to bring the intensity as soon as you come into the game (which is why good players get millions$$$).

Posted by: liveride | October 28, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

No real surprise here. Veteran coaches on teams with playoff aspirations almost always lean most heavily on veteran players. And, like the post says, there are so many proven options in the backcourt that unless Young shows something that really stands out, he's at the back of the line. McGuire won't be in the regular rotation, but he'll be used liberally as a situational guy when his particular assets are needed.

McGee is a bit of a wild card. I still think he'll make it onto the floor before all is said and done, if not as an everyday rotation player, then as a situational relief player or just a jolt of energy when one is needed. Unlike Young, he does have attributes that aren't duplicated by any of the other players at his position and (also unlike Young's situation) none of the guys ahead of him are really know for consistency and reliability over the long haul. He'll get his chances. It'll be up to him to make the most of them.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 28, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

It's hard to argue with much of anything flip has done. That's particularly so given the comparison of the attitute towards the young players by the last two coaches.

Flip is treating the young guys with respect and telling them exactly how they have to fit in. If they don't do it, that's on them.

Young has potential. I wonder what the Clippers would give for him.

Posted by: Izman | October 28, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

The young guys can use this opportunity to watch and learn and to earn time in practice.

During the summer I was involved in discussions on this blog about who would be left out of the rotation, DeShawn, Nick, JaVale, Oberto, Blatche, etc.

I was 100% certain that Nick Young would be part of the rotation over DeShawn, I WAS SURE! But after watchin the game vs. the Mavs, I was very comfortable with DeShawn playig and Nick on the bench and JaVale getting a couple of seconds. It seemed proper, they will have to earn they're time like Blatche has.

Posted by: zxhoya | October 28, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm a huge Nick Young fan, but I think he should look to another one of my favorite young players COURTNEY LEE as a role model. now that kid is a stud.

Posted by: Marine4Life51 | October 28, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Nick Young needs to work on his team play. He would have stagnated what was a fine crisp team pass oriented offense yesterday. Until he learns to adjust his game to a situation where he is not the best player on the court he will continue to sit.

javale just needs to be patient. he clearly busted his ass in those seconds but was a little too enthusiastic and took himself out of rebounding position (didnt hurt cause the shot went in). he'll definitely get burn as the season goes on. right now the spot for fourth big is still open (mcguire did not distinguish) and if he continues to work hard it could be his.

Posted by: PindarPushkin | October 28, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I have never understood the support Young receives on this board.

Foye is clearly an upgrade over Young.

On any given night we have 6 players who are capable of scoring 20+ points: GA, AJ, CB, AB, RF, MM.

At times we had 3 of them on the floor at once. At other times we had 4 of them on the floor. Scoring buckets is not going to be a problem for this team.

Last night I was amazed how seamlessly our reserves mixed with the starters. Then I realized that AB, RF, and even DS are all capabable of starting for many NBA teams.

It's like we don't even have a bench anymore. We have starting level talent coming off our bench. We are going to destroy other teams with weak second units. That is for certain!

We present a relentless offensive attack! I have never seen a Wizards team with this much firepower, and I have been watching since 1985.

In the mid-80's the bench was non-existent. The starters would rest and the bench would score 2 for every 12 of the opposition. Then it was time for Moses and Jeff Malone to come back!

Posted by: MeviousMan | October 28, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Good teams don't put players in and then hope they play well. While NY can get hot, he can also let the team down. The difference this year is that he'll be riding the bench on a good team. This will create pressure for him to perform at a high

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | October 28, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Young is a very talented player, probably more talented than Foye. But he's not a very smart or focused player. Foye easily trumps him there. Aside from the obvious evidence that's on the floor, I was really struck--watching the various interview excerpts with Foye that were shown during the preseason games--the level of thoughtfulness and professionalism about the game and his role Foye demonstrated. He seemed like a guy with more experience than he has. That's a sharp contrast to the impression Young gives in interviews of being a carefree kid just havin' fun.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 28, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

If AB and RF continue to contribute to the tune of 30ish points combined per night throughout the season coming off the bench, then the talk of 50 wins and a deep playoff run is a very strong possibility. I've learned to keep my expectations of Blatche low because he's so apt to disappoint, but he looked really solid last night. Let's hope he can keep up the intensity.

RF is everything NY needs to try to become. He's a solid scorer, passer, and defender. At the end of the season EG will have to decide if we need Foye. That decision will really come down to a question of whether or not NY can take his place. In the meantime, NY will be riding the pine and hopefully making the most of his limited opportunities.

Posted by: jon_quest | October 28, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

You know i think the support for Nick Young and DMac and Blatche / McGee all has to do with wanting a young guy to blossom here.

It's just been so long since a wizards / bullets draft really paid strong dividends. People want the a smart choice of their own. But often times it turns into wishful thinking.

If it was easy to draft the best players year in / year out everyone would be doing it. But the fact is you take chances & gambles in the draft.

That said. I think NY is a talent on the level capable of starting in the NBA, but he needs to make that mental adjustment. If he can be a spot shooter and play team defense he could be a real asset for the wizards.

Posted by: gconrads | October 28, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

What a breath of fresh air to have a professional coach that doesn't coddle the players. Flip understands his talent. To break into the rotation, these underachievers will need to supplant someone else. Welcome to the NBA!

Posted by: randysbailin | October 28, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Wizards are first in the league in scoring and third best in defense (points allowed). I smell a championship.

Posted by: NickelsLuvsSkins | October 28, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I think Flip's approach is a refreshing change from Eddie Jordan. He's being clear with each player regarding what the player has to do to get into the mix. Of course, the proof will come when NY starts doing those things and we'll see if Flip will stay true to his word and play him (I have a feeling he would).

I have been critical of McGee but I have to admit I felt a little tinge of excitement when he entered the game. Not bad having a player like that on your roster. And if he can develop some reliable low-post moves...yikes the future could be really good for him.

Posted by: tundey | October 28, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

very refreshing for Flip to pull this on Nick. Hopefully Bean Burrito will buy into whats going on. The time for street ball is over

BTW, good to be back in the mix this season Mike, all the best from your friends at WE

http://www.wizardsextreme.com

Posted by: WizardsExtreme | October 28, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Don't think Young was lost in the shuffle. With Miller and Stevenson doing the non-scoring intangibles from the 2-position, Young's scoring was not needed.

But enough about Young.

I am just thrilled and excited to see ample verification of why I think this Team will be one of the best in the East.

You see, while some like to point out weaknesses in the Team/Organization, I like to point out the strengths and how far we can go based upon them.

I have said that our front court of BH, AB, AJ, JM, FO, will be a top one in the League. MM will be one of the best all around players in the League this year.

There have been many perceived deficiencies that I believe will not be issues, because Teams will have a tougher time of exploiting them due to the fact that they will constantly have to deal with our strengths.

What was evident in this first game is that this is a strong deep Team.

Teams will be trying to figure out how to stop us, rather than exploiting our weaknesses.

Late into the game, it was noted that Flip kept at least two 7-footers on the floor throughout the game. Loving that.

One game does not a season make, but I see some things to really be excited about.

BulletsFan78, I will allow you to up your 15-game pronog' to 10-12 from 6-9.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 28, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I love our top 9 of Haywood, Jamison, Butler, Miller, Arenas with Blatche, Foye, Oberto, Stevenson. Young is a nice option if we need offense off the bench at SG, McGuire is nice for some D, McGee for his athleticism and size, Critt as a 3rd PG, James as a more experienced option to Young or Critt.

I know it won't happen but I'd love to see us pick up Mike Sweetney who was waived by Boston, in place of Davis. He was a last cut and Rivers said he had a strong camp and belongs in the league.

Posted by: Darnell1 | October 28, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

All in good time

Posted by: GshawnJohnson | October 28, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

"It's hard to argue with anything Flip has done" WHAT? One game into the season and the kool aid is flowing freely hey as much as i miss Eddie Jordan i'm willing to give Flip the benefit of the doubt but damn can we wait until say like 25 games in before we give him NBA coach of the year!

Posted by: dargregmag | October 28, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

While I'm not a huge DS fan, I do think that defense is mostly about heart (why else can someone as insanely athletic as GA not really show much on D his first few years?). So I appreciate DS for the commitment it takes to play good D. We can't throw him under the bus for one poor shooting game---surely SOMEONE had to shoot poorly last night, right?

Now, if he does this 6 games in a row, we can reconsider.

As for Blatche, he just looked comfortable on offense, and seemed to really hustle. I think at this point, HE has to know that nobody cares until he starts to do it consistently. But if/when he does, he will make playing time decisions really hard for Flip once AJ is back.

But the biggest difference in this game is that the Wizards didn't give up the patented 26-4 run that they did in basically EVERY game EJ coached. Even when we won, we would often build a big lead, watch it COMPLETELY go away, and then either re-build a lead or win a close one.

I am on record as really having liked Jordan, but I think by mid-season it will be clear that Flip is the most valuable addition to this team.

Posted by: psdfx | October 28, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Small and Slow Ball. Gone!

Shake and Bake Ball. In!

Run and Gun Ball. In!

Play like you know something about the game baby. In!

Flip Saunders. In!

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 28, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

One more thought: If AB CAN continue to play like he did last night (and we all have noticed he has the physical skills and just needs to mature/do it regularly), his signing for 5 years at $15 mil will begin to look like a world-class bargain. (I think he has this year plus two more years left on his deal.)

Posted by: psdfx | October 28, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

"What a breath of fresh air to have a professional coach that doesn't coddle the players. Flip understands his talent. To break into the rotation, these underachievers will need to supplant someone else. Welcome to the NBA!"

What?! Eddie Jordan didn't do much coddling and was routinely pilloried for "not giving the young guys a chance." Gotta love relativism.

"I know it won't happen but I'd love to see us pick up Mike Sweetney who was waived by Boston, in place of Davis. He was a last cut and Rivers said he had a strong camp and belongs in the league."

Sweetney is a big fat, fat bust. The fact that he cut cut by the Celtics in favor of Shelden Williams (another bust) speaks volumes. No thanks. If the Wiz are going to keep a cheap insurance big on the roster until Jamison returns, better they go with the 7 footer who still has at least the potential of being a player that the reclamation project trying to claw his way back into the league after eating his way out.

Not that it matters, because they don't have an open roster spot anyway.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 28, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Larry,

It's only one game, I'll stay at 6-9 till we see what they do against really good teams.

Like I said in my last post Dallas was the 6th seed in the West last year.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 28, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

There are gonna be games where Nick gets a lotta minutes & games where he sits. Same with Javale. Fouls, injuries & who's hot & who's not will force Flip to play them.
Only thing is they better make the most of their time on the floor cause when AJ gets back they get pushed back if they don't show that they are ready for Flip Ball.
It's only one game but it was against a perennial 50 win team, at home from the tuff West.
WOW!

Posted by: VBFan | October 28, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Wizards are first in the league in scoring and third best in defense (points allowed). I smell a championship.

Posted by: NickelsLuvsSkins | October 28, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Dude

It's one game. What are you smoking?

Posted by: noups | October 28, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse


AB: 20 points, 7 rebounds.

If he can do this most nights, the team will be fine.

Trade NY now. Get a solid PG.

Posted by: noups | October 28, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Nick and McGee need to get minutes. Dallas is not as good as they use to be. They still have a name but not the same team. When the Wiz play more athletic teams guys like Stevenson, Oberto should not get off the bench. Not sure what they are doing to help develop McGee but he will be a bigger asset near term. Leave Jamison coming off the bench when he come back. The current team actually passes the ball to each other. They play like a team not MeTwan got to get my double double.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | October 28, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

So while taking advantage of the free preview of the NBA League pass I happened onto a familiar site, Eddie Jordan's team has given up 67 points in the first half on an array of open 3 pointers and uncontested drives.
Oops...make that 70 points.

Posted by: bozomoeman | October 28, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

"He hasn't shown an ability to grasp everything we're trying to do, the way we, or ideally how we want to play."


Not...good.


Posted by: Firuz1 | October 28, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

As I said last night, I think it was an overall good game and effort from Les BouleS. If they continue to play like this, they can beat teams better than the creampuff Mavs.

I think AB should remain in the starting lineup even if MeTawn returns. If MeTawn wants to prolong his career, he's better off coming off the bench, and for Les BouleS, they are better off giving more PT to AB who could be the future 4 of this team.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 28, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

So while taking advantage of the free preview of the NBA League pass I happened onto a familiar site, Eddie Jordan's team has given up 67 points in the first half on an array of open 3 pointers and uncontested drives.
Oops...make that 70 points.

Posted by: bozomoeman | October 28, 2009 8:16 PM

Aw shucks Bozomoeman, you better watch out, some folks here was sayin that kinda play was the playa's fault and not Eddie's.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 28, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

I bet Eddie Jordan has them playing small ball, too!!

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 28, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

It may only be one game, but a road win on opening night in Dallas is BIG, especially without AJ. Saunders is an excellent coach and it was nice to see outstanding positioning on defense. Sorry to see Stevenson; he cannot shoot and his defense is not excellent, it is just better than NY. Should be a fun year.

Posted by: bugfun1 | October 28, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Actually, AB came off the bench last night (and Oberto started at PF). Flip indicated he would do it that way so Blatche will be accutomed to the same scenario once AJ returns.

If AB continues to play well, it will be interesting to see what kind of minutes he will get when AJ is back in the lineup.

Posted by: cannontl | October 28, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

dargregmag, what's your prediction for Phily wins this year with EJ? (They are down 30 points tonight so I presume that they will be 0-1).

Posted by: Izman | October 28, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to see Stevenson; he cannot shoot and his defense is not excellent, it is just better than NY. Should be a fun year.

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The book on NY was that he was lost on O and D under Eddie Jordan and, if I'm correctly reading the above quotes from Flip Saunders, NY is once again a tad slow in understanding what he's supposed to do and where he's supposed to be.
As Flip said, the players decide who's in the rotation and who's out.

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 28, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

"Sorry to see Stevenson; he cannot shoot and his defense is not excellent, it is

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 28, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse "

Look on the bright side.

If MeShawn can show that he's completely healed from his back issues, then that will make him a bit more tradeable.

He should have never been resigned though, to begin with. I'd take a DJ Strawberry or Raja Bell over him.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 28, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

I remember when the Wiz drafted NY, Hollinger of ESPN had rated him as about the least likely to succeed potential pick. For his size and athleticism he got astonishingly few rebounds, steals, blocked shots, assists in college where he should have absolutely dominated. To Hollinger that meant he was rarely deeply engaged in the action and wouldn't make a good pro. Don't forget the Wiz really drafted him because he played on Gilbert's dad's AAU team in California and was another Cali buddy for Gilbert. Now in his 3rd year he needs to contribute way more than streaky shooting.

The team on the floor last night seemed to have a bunch of PROFESSIONAL basketball players: Caron, Haywood, Oberto, Miller, Foye, Gilbert, DS. Blatche was very productive, I need to see about 50 games like that from him this year to believe he's really turned things around. Given AJ being out and Miller and DS's small offensive production, that should be an indication of how far down the pecking order NY has fallen.

Posted by: thinker11 | October 28, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

lol @ the Cavs! :)

Posted by: rachel216 | October 28, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Who's got the guts to do this?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjg9yz4

It's not too early to think about tinkering using this wonderful tool.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 28, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

He should have never been resigned though, to begin with. I'd take a DJ Strawberry or Raja Bell over him.

Posted by: DC_MAN88

I think at the time just about EVERYBODY wanted Ernie to give DS the boot and sign Juan Carlos Navarro. Call me crazy but I think DS gives the Wiz a little 'tude, which might not be all the bad.

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 28, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Last night's game was only one game. It does not mean everything will remain the same for every game the rest of the season.

Flip seemed to have good things to say about everybody that played major minutes, including DS. I suspect Flip sees DS as playing a defensive role for the club and will use him when he wants to hinder an opposing scorer off the bench.

I also expect that DS will be able to hit an open jumper again, the way he played when was healthy before. He did hit a three point shot at the end of a quarter, but it was taken away when the replay showed the did not leave his hand until after the buzzer.

Posted by: cannontl | October 28, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

DC,

I don't like it. I think Jamison is actually a really good team guy (despite your name for him), and that many of his points are on odd little in-the-lane flip shots and putbacks (I could do without his funky 3 point shooting form).

Bosh too settles for too many jump shots (without AJ's range).

But it would be a fascinating thing to ponder---if it didn't include McGee. He is still raw and maybe as much as two years away---but you just don't find guys his size with his athleticism. It is relatively easy to find servicable to good PFs, compared to 5s with his potential.

Posted by: psdfx | October 28, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Foye is two years older than Young, after all. That counts.

I think Randy suffered under the shadow of that Portland trade. Brandon Roy came out of the starter's gate looking like a perennial All-Star while Foye languished in Minnesota. But if you recall their respective college careers at Villanova and Washington, it wasn't such an outrageous exchange.

One game. But it was a good one. Next comes Atlanta, a team we seem never to beat, or is that just my memory?

Posted by: Samson151 | October 28, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

My last post wasn't strong enough in support of AJ.

IF the way this team played last night was a legit peek at how they'll play all year, the possibility of adding an all-star to that is amazingly great. And if last night was a mirage, adding AJ will help.

I am confused by your constant harping on AJ as selfish, when EVERYthing you read says that people think just the opposite about him.

Posted by: psdfx | October 28, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Next comes Atlanta, a team we seem never to beat, or is that just my memory?

Posted by: Samson151 | October 28, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of how much last night was truly indicative of where this team is (and just about EVERYone had a good shooting night, other than DS), I suspect one thing we'll see is that with an excellent coach, we'll lose fewer games to teams we should beat. I won't argue that we SHOULD be favorites over Atlanta, but we absolutely played down to the level of our competition in years past.

Posted by: psdfx | October 28, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

"I think at the time just about EVERYBODY wanted Ernie to give DS the boot and sign Juan Carlos Navarro. Call me crazy but I think DS gives the Wiz a little 'tude, which might not be all the bad.

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 28, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse "

The tude ain't so good when you get LeBron mad and can't back it up.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 28, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

IZMAN: I have Eddie and the Sixers winning somewhere between 48-52 games and yes they got hammered in Orlando tonite yeah Eddie will be on a short leash with the Philly fans you know how they are, they didn't look very good not grasping that Princeton offense so far but hey it's one game.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 28, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

The tude ain't so good when you get LeBron mad and can't back it up.

Posted by: DC_MAN88

I don't think LeBron needs to be mad to light the Wizards up.

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 28, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

@DCMAN88: Your trade sucks. Toronto gets +24 wins and the Wizards remain the same. So what's our motivation to trade away McGee and Young?

Posted by: tundey | October 28, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

"I don't think LeBron needs to be mad to light the Wizards up.

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 28, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse "

Which is why you don't want to get him mad.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 28, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I give in...we def screwed up not drafting Blair.

I didn't care one way or the other before, but he had a monster game...esp for a rookie...tonight.

I admit I was wrong.

Posted by: Blurred | October 28, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

DeJuan Blair had a double-double in his first NBA game but there's no way he could have helped this team with Jamison out until Thanksgiving right?

How much are Ernie/Abe paying Paul Davis? Blair has to be worth $100K per year more than him. The kid is an absolute tank in the paint right now.

Posted by: elfreako | October 28, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Wow, 48-52 for EJ and the Sixers! It's a good test. We'll see. I have them at 41.

BTW, their 1st round pick (17th) warmed the bench all night despite the blow-out.

Posted by: Izman | October 28, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

"It's hard to argue with anything Flip has done" WHAT? One game into the season and the kool aid is flowing freely hey as much as i miss Eddie Jordan i'm willing to give Flip the benefit of the doubt but damn can we wait until say like 25 games in before we give him NBA coach of the year!

Posted by: dargregmag | October 28, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

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There's a difference between saying "It's hard to argue with anything he's done" and "he can do no wrong." He's made great decisions throughout preseason and one season game. it's perfectly fair to say you agree with everything he's done to this point. nothing about COTY. No kool aid there.

Posted by: crs-one | October 28, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

the team played well against a decent team on the road. they didn't fade and let the opponent win the 4th qtr. they moved the ball. what more can one ask? young has major athleticism and som talent, but doesn't appear to know the game. i was hot about them picking up fabricio, be he can play! i would also consider bringing twan off the bench. he could lead the bench and play with the starters at the end of the game or in 'hot spots.' if blatche continues like he did tuesday, why not boost his confidence?

Posted by: dcjazzman | October 29, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

kalo: did you go to western?

Posted by: dcjazzman | October 29, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

How much are Ernie/Abe paying Paul Davis? Blair has to be worth $100K per year more than him. The kid is an absolute tank in the paint right now.

Posted by: elfreako | October 28, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

elfreako,

It was never about how much they had to pay Blair it was about getting the 2.5 million from Houston for their 2nd round pick.

Wizards Payroll this year 78,900,000 (I rounded off to make the math easier). The luxury cap this year is at 69,900,00 so that puts the Wizards 9,000,000 over but you have to consider the 2,500,000 million they got from Houston which puts the number at 6,500,000 they saved 2,824,000 from the Minn trade which now puts the number at 3,676,000 but they saved about 1,438,000 if they got a mid round pick from Minn (Ty Lawson) which puts the number at 2,238,000 minus the money they got from the other owners last year for not going over the cap.

Sorry I work a lot with numbers, but how can you think money wasn't the deciding factor not to draft Blair?

Answer this honestly would they be a better team with Ty Lawson and Blair or Oberto and Davis?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | October 29, 2009 3:33 AM | Report abuse

I swear you must sniff glue bulletsfan.

What on earth are you talking about? A better question would be are we better off with Miller and Foye instead of Lawson, which is a crazy proposition unto itself bc nobody had Lawson as high as 5th on their draft board. The very easy answer is absolutely.

As far as Blair is concerned, yeah, he looks decent so far and if he holds up it is a nice pick up for SA. However, there were a helluva lot of teams that passed on him as well. Hindsight is always so easy. I don't think we
wanted to draft another rehab in waiting either.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 29, 2009 6:48 AM | Report abuse

"Get back to me after he does it during the regular season"

OK. I'm back.

D. Blair...

23 minutes, 14 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists
70% shooting.

Posted by: original_mark | October 29, 2009 6:57 AM | Report abuse

Hindsight is 20/20, but that is PDG BF78.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 29, 2009 6:59 AM | Report abuse

rphilli, thats why passing on Blair was so frustrating to me because it isnt really hindsight. It was actually foresight because half of us were screaming (via this blog) to draft him at the time.
I'm one of those annoying little brother types than can't let it go. I can't help but to wonder how much better our bench would be with a rebounding beast.

Posted by: original_mark | October 29, 2009 7:02 AM | Report abuse

Leave AJ coming off the bench or trade him. He will ruin the chemistry when he gets back. Make the Blatche the starter with McGee backing him and Haywood up. Oberto cannot play with the better teams. He knows the game but physically can't do it. Atlanta will give a true indication where this team is.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | October 29, 2009 7:08 AM | Report abuse

What on earth are you talking about? A better question would be are we better off with Miller and Foye instead of Lawson, which is a crazy proposition unto itself bc nobody had Lawson as high as 5th on their draft board. The very easy answer is absolutely.

As far as Blair is concerned, yeah, he looks decent so far and if he holds up it is a nice pick up for SA. However, there were a helluva lot of teams that passed on him as well. Hindsight is always so easy. I don't think we wanted to draft another rehab in waiting either.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 29, 2009 6:48 AM

Hell yes we are a lot better off with Miller and Foye. But to be fair Rphilli721 and to give BF78 the benefit of the doubt, I think he is saying having Blair and Lawson instead of Oberto and Davis with MM and Foye.

But as you and I point out hindsight is 20/20, but the scenario BF78 is quite logical though Ernie G' would have to have been Red Auerbach genius to have figured it out at the time.

I like BF78's scenario though. It rivals my optimism for this Team.

However, I have to go more with you with this one, for even though Ernie G' I think is earning his keep he would have to have been brilliant to have figured BF78's scenario out.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 29, 2009 7:25 AM | Report abuse

It was never about how much they had to pay Blair it was about getting the 2.5 million from Houston for their 2nd round pick.

Wizards Payroll this year 78,900,000 (I rounded off to make the math easier). The luxury cap this year is at 69,900,00 so that puts the Wizards 9,000,000 over but you have to consider the 2,500,000 million they got from Houston which puts the number at 6,500,000 they saved 2,824,000 from the Minn trade which now puts the number at 3,676,000 but they saved about 1,438,000 if they got a mid round pick from Minn (Ty Lawson) which puts the number at 2,238,000 minus the money they got from the other owners last year for not going over the cap.

Sorry I work a lot with numbers, but how can you think money wasn't the deciding factor not to draft Blair?

Answer this honestly would they be a better team with Ty Lawson and Blair or Oberto and Davis?

You should get a job at Fox News. I love how you twist things to fit your little agenda.

THE WIZARDS PAYROLL IS 78 MIL AFTER THE TRADE. So how are you subtracting the money from the trade from the cap number? Savings? If you're looking at it financially, TRADING ETAN THOMAS WAS A HOME RUN. He's someone making 7 million dollars that doesn't deserve it. From a personnel point of view Mike Miller and Foye are better than Songalia, Etan or Pech. Or the non-existant pick of Rubio.

Answer this. In the 4th quarter of a close game against a playoff team, which one of the 3 we traded would we actually WANT to see on the floor? None of them. Exactly, but Foye AND Miller played big parts in the closing out of that game. So that's a win too.

Then, you're throwing in some magical pick that never existed. I'm gonna take the time on my lunch to go back through my ESPN Insider where it said Minnesota REFUSED to part with a later round pick. So how are you calculating savings from a hypothetical pick that we never had, and never had an option of having? Yeah Blair is doing well, but like I said they may have already had the deal worked out. I thought they would've taken him. They didn't, it is what it is. The only thing any of that nonsense you said that made sense is that we could've used Blair.

Once again...THE CHEAP THING TO DO IS KEEP THE PICK AND DRAFT RUBIO AND LET HIM GO OVERSEAS. OR TRADE THE PICK FOR NOTHING.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | October 29, 2009 7:55 AM | Report abuse

"I don't think LeBron needs to be mad to light the Wizards up.

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 28, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse "

Which is why you don't want to get him mad.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 |

Which is why it doesn't matter.

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 29, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2009/06/trade_breakdown.html

The 18th pick was not coming. So how did we save money on something we never had?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | October 29, 2009 8:17 AM | Report abuse

In hinsight I still think it was better to do as the Wizards did to keep a couple slots open for a bit after the trade was done.

Blair dampens that wisdom, but it gave us flexibility that we still have.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 29, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

"Hell yes we are a lot better off with Miller and Foye. But to be fair Rphilli721 and to give BF78 the benefit of the doubt, I think he is saying having Blair and Lawson instead of Oberto and Davis with MM and Foye."

Except there's no way that could have happened.

The Wizards traded the 5th pick for Miller and Foye, which means the only way they could have drafted Lawson was to not trade for Miller and Foye. They couldn't have had all three. Oberto and Davis have nothing to do with whether they could have had Lawson, therefore an "either/or" comparison between them is inherently irrelevant.

As for Oberto vs. Blair . . . until Blair shows he can guard 7 footers 1-on-1 they way Oberto did against Dirk Nowitzki or make pinpoint through traffic passes that lead to layups, I say Fab's more valuable than the second coming of Danny Fortson.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 29, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

The Wizards blew it with Blair, as did everyone else in the league other than San Antonio. However,if his arthritic knees flame out, then everyone's concerns will be justified.
At any rate, he's not Karl Malone or even a poor man's Blake Griffin. Why all the angst?

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 29, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

With Young I'm afraid he's just too dumb to ever be more than a spark off the bench. From his first summer league games I was worried that his all around game was nonexistent and he looked lost on the court. If he couldn't get assists, rebounds or play D against scrubs, what was he going to do when the players were legit? His basketball IQ was so low but I was hoping it would improve with playing time and getting comfortable. But 2 1/2 years later nothing has changed. There were two things from him in the preseason game against Philly that stand out: the 1st was how his man pump faked and Young bit and crashed into him and fouled him while he was still on the ground with only a few seconds left. Then after the game (which James won on the free throw line), Chris Miller was interviewing Young but none of Young's answers had anything to do with the question asked. That made me think maybe Young's low basketball IQ is because he is just not a very intelligent person and with his mental capacity he is not capable of ever getting those small things to basketball (not tackling a guy off a pump fake in a game winning situation). Which means he won't be a viable option in key moments since other players will continue to be able to take advantage of him

Posted by: detox04 | October 29, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Dallas is not as good as they use to be. They still have a name but not the same team.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | October 28, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

They're not on a level with the Lakers or the Spurs in the West, but they ain't chopped liver, either. I've got them down for 50+ wins again this year.

Posted by: rbpalmer | October 29, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I dont know which game some folks watched but Oberto did not shut Dirk down. Dirk happened to be off to start the game and Oberto racked up a bunch of fouls TRYING to stop him.
His true value (very limited) will reveal itself over the course of the next few games. Blair vs. Oberto is a no-brainer, IMO. And it's not even close.

Posted by: original_mark | October 29, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

In just the very first game of the season, Arenas has once again shown why he is such a valuable asset to this team. His ability to break down the defense off the dribble, get to the rim and finish, is a quality lacking among the teams other players. No one on the team goes to the foul line more than Gilbert, having that ability is so imprtant, espically late in close games.

Posted by: MHEDRLT | October 29, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

until Blair shows he can guard 7 footers 1-on-1 they way Oberto did against Dirk Nowitzki or make pinpoint through traffic passes that lead to layups, I say Fab's more valuable than the second coming of Danny Fortson.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 29, 2009 9:06 AM

I have to agree. The not so obvious, non-glamorous play that dosen't always show up in the stats can never be discounted.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 29, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

"With Young I'm afraid he's just too dumb to ever be more than a spark off the bench."

Posted by: detox04 | October 29, 2009 9:14 AM


He'll never be considered the sharpest knife in the drawer but, if he had a better work ethic I think it would help him overcome his, uh, potential learning issues. He has to know by now that he may have to put in twice (or 3-4X) as much time as the other guys to grasp a concept and make it stick. It's all up to him, IMO.

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 29, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

FIRST!!

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 29, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

About Young,

Detox04, If that is true about him, which I hope isn't, the Wizards need not let that get out of the bag.

We need to facilitate his play so we can trade his butt. I like talent and all that goes with it, but you must have good mental IQ to roll with the Big Dogs.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 29, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Foye and Miller essentially make NY irrelevant on the offensive end and the Wiz can't blame it on youth. Foye is in his 4th year and NY is in his 3rd. No way the Wiz win the game against Dallas if NY is playing heavy minutes at SG in the 4th quarter instead of Foye. Foye's basetball IQ is much higer, he handles the ball well, and is a better defender.

Even thought DSS's shooting was terrible, his role is as a defensive stopper and he only took 2 shots. He can contribute in 10-15 minutes a night by simply playing tough defense on an opponents top scoring guard. Until NY develops a better all around game or the team suffers injuries, there aren't minutes to go around.

I think that there is a good chance the Wiz move NY along with the expiring contract of Mike James at the trade deadline to pick up a veteran bigman who can score inside and rebound.

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 29, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

"...the 1st was how his man pump faked and Young bit and crashed into him and fouled him...Then after the game (which James won on the free throw line), Chris Miller was interviewing Young but none of Young's answers had anything to do with the question asked."

What I noticed from that scene and posted here was that NY was laughing his butt off during the interviiew, mainly because Mcgee had gone all Blatche-like and attempted that coast-to-coast. Ol'Nick didnt have a care in the world, gee this is so much FUN.

You can guarantee Flip saw that and wasn't impressed.

Flip's comments indicate NY may not put the necessary work in to ever get PT. He wont see the floor until the head coach believes he fully understands what he's supposed to be doing on court. Clear choice for Nick- ditch the PS3 and learn your role, or sit on bench until traded.

Javale will play plenty this season, no doubt.

Posted by: divi3 | October 29, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I watched DeJuan Blair last night. He played the entire fourth quarter. He is an exceptionally gifted low post scorer. He can create room to get his shot off against bigger defenders. He got that wide body that allows him to be effective in boxing out of rebounds.

However, Okafor had him for lunch on the defensive end. Blair is 6' 6" and not an explosive jumper. His entire game is below the rim. He couldn't play behind Okafor. He couldn't front Okafor.
He fits well with a defensive minded team that boasts Duncan, McDyess, Ratliff.
Now if the light stays on for Blatche and McGee has an epiphany and starts to channel Kevin Garnett, then we have a different story.
Besides, we already have a PF that excels on the offensive end, and is "Katie bar the door" defensively.

Posted by: bozomoeman | October 29, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"What I noticed from that scene and posted here was that NY was laughing his butt off during the interviiew, mainly because Mcgee had gone all Blatche-like and attempted that coast-to-coast. Ol'Nick didnt have a care in the world, gee this is so much FUN."

Posted by: divi3

Could not agree more. It's not unusual for an athlete to not answer the questioned asked, but Nick just seemed like he was about to burst with unbridled glee that McGee had done something more foolish than even HE would do and he couldn't wait to get in the locker room and clown on him about it.

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 29, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"I dont know which game some folks watched but Oberto did not shut Dirk down."

No one said he did. But what Oberto did do was hound Nowitzki into working hard for every shot and force him into taking (and missing) some really tough ones. That's the best you can hope for when defending a guy like Dirk.

On the flip side, Okafor and West scored over the top of Blair like he wasn't there.

"I watched DeJuan Blair last night. He played the entire fourth quarter. He is an exceptionally gifted low post scorer."

Not really. Very few (if any) of his points came off actual set low post scoring moves. Most of his shots came from offensive rebound putbacks (released well below the rim) or cuts to the basket when the defense had its back turned.

Blair is what he is: An undersized, floor bound hustling banger who looks okay coming off the bench as the 4th level big on a championship caliber team.

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 29, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Foye has gotten better every season in the league, and is going to play so well feeding off Arenas (as 2s always do)...he will look like an absolute steal to nba talking heads by the end of the season.

Ernie didnt fall for the silly Rubio hype, then capitalized on Minny's buying into it. Foye is likely better right now then Rubio ever will be, and we got Miller in the deal to boot along with dumping the Poet Laureate's ludicrous salary.

beautiful thing, what a good GM can do for a team!

Posted by: divi3 | October 29, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

"I think that there is a good chance the Wiz move NY along with the expiring contract of Mike James at the trade deadline to pick up a veteran bigman who can score inside and rebound."

I think the chances of that are exceedingly slim because I can't imagine that any team who has such a big man would be willing to part with him for so little return, unless it's a guy who comes with a bloated contract and a ton of undesirable baggage (a la Zach Randolph or Eddy Curry, neither of whom I want anywhere near the Wiz)

Posted by: kalo_rama | October 29, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

bringing javale along is how we'll get another effective big, which is why i think flip will try and develop him into a contributor by the end of the season.

Posted by: divi3 | October 29, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Leave AJ coming off the bench or trade him. He will ruin the chemistry when he gets back. Make the Blatche the starter with McGee backing him and Haywood up. Oberto cannot play with the better teams. He knows the game but physically can't do it. Atlanta will give a true indication where this team is.

If none on this post can see all the intangibles that Oberto bring to this team than I would have to say their analyses of pro championship ball is EXTREMELY limited and they just like shooting from the hip! aka: talkin'smack!)

Oberto does all the things a Dennis Rodman type player did on a championship team and was highly recognized by hall of famers for his contribution despite (Rodman)being a jerk. The same could be said of Bill Lambier.

So please, if we have any basketball knowledge, stop looking at Oberto as a player who does not satisfying your highlight real! Dude simply gets the job done. Fact!!!

Posted by: bazteal | October 29, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I loved the way Oberto plays and HE DID bother Dirk. His experience and BBall IQ is undeniable and his value will prove itself in many ways this season.

I think his value is already showing in the play of Blatche especially on the defensive end and will also show in the near future for McGee.

Posted by: zxhoya | October 29, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"Oberto does all the things a Dennis Rodman type player did on a championship team and was highly recognized by hall of famers for his contribution despite (Rodman)being a jerk. The same could be said of Bill Lambier."

Posted by: bazteal

While I agree that Oberto gives us some intangibles as well as vereran savvy, I would not put him in the class of Rodman or Laimbeer on any level. Rodman was a top-notch defender and both Laimbeer and Rodman were elite rebounders. That said, I respect what Oberto brings to the table and feel that he deserves to be on the court.

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 29, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Nick Young- DNP-CD. McGee plays a total of 42 seconds. Saunders' message is quite clear: "we have a WIN NOW mentality."

Miller and Foye showed us what they can provide for this team this season. Anybody still wish that Grunfeld had drafted Rubio? C'mon!!!!!

The only mistake that Grunfeld made this offseason was not drafting DeJuan Blair in the second round. That guy had 14 points and 11 boards in his first game with the Spurs last night. I think the Wiz could have definitely used him this year.

Posted by: tgravely1977 | October 29, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"I think at the time just about EVERYBODY wanted Ernie to give DS the boot and sign Juan Carlos Navarro. Call me crazy but I think DS gives the Wiz a little 'tude, which might not be all the bad.

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 28, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse "

The tude ain't so good when you get LeBron mad and can't back it up.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 28, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

What did Lebron getting mad cause him to do that he doesn't normally do? Or is he mad all the time?

Posted by: GoEagles | October 29, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

i would also consider bringing twan off the bench. he could lead the bench and play with the starters at the end of the game or in 'hot spots.' if blatche continues like he did tuesday, why not boost his confidence?

Posted by: dcjazzman | October 29, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Blatche came off the bench on tuesday. FO was the starter. I love AB's talent (the future at PF) but I trust AJ more against the other team's starters right now.

Posted by: GoEagles | October 29, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Through training camp and early in the preseason, it seemed NY had a grasp of what was expected of him. I saw him revert to holding unto the ball too much, not running the baseline, and being lax on D. These were all habits I thought he had broken. I believe his problem is mental toughness. Unfortunately, he still sees himself as a "young guy." He needs to take a cue from AB (ha! ha!), so far.

Posted by: GoEagles | October 29, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Young sucks, that's why he didn't play.

It killed me that they started him in the preseason, I knew he would never crack the starting rotation.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | October 29, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Anybody could see last year that NY, DM, and JM were, at best, marginal NBA players. They had to play last year because of the injuries. they are on the bench this year where they belong, and no doubt will remain. Each has gigantic holes in their game. NY is completely one dimensional, DM can't play any offense, and JM has no idea how to play basketball. if even one of them ever becomes a decent player the bullets will have done well.

Posted by: stevie2 | October 29, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

If Young and McGee stayed out of the local clubs, then maybe they could grasp what Saunders is doing with this team.

I told McGee one time when I saw him in the club, that if you kept this partying up you won't stay in the league long...

Posted by: ENJOYA | October 29, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Problem with Nick Young is that sometimes he's on auto pilot, boarding on ball hog. He need to learn to run the play instead of just looking to score. Hopefully he will learn this while sitting on the bench so that when called upon he could play team basketball.

Posted by: Nxau | October 29, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"I told McGee one time when I saw him in the club, that if you kept this partying up you won't stay in the league long..."

Posted by: ENJOYA

Athletic 7-footers are hard to come by and will always get 2d, 3d, and 4th chances.
See, Kwame Brown.

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 29, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

""I don't think LeBron needs to be mad to light the Wizards up.

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 28, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse "

Which is why you don't want to get him mad.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 |

Which is why it doesn't matter.

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 29, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse "

Which is why it does matter. You end up with egg on the face like MeShawn and Les BouleS.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 29, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

I'll repost this response in case anyone is still reading this thread. Basically, you guys are making much out of very little if anything per usual.


Besides the fact that the Blair argument is a moot point, Kal has argued the point perfectly. Blair is a much better fit for the team he is on than he would be for us. It's very simple. You think Blair would have harassed Dirk into misses the way Oberto did or even make him break a sweat while he goes off. Hell no. Dirk would have abused Blair. Assuming Blair instead of Oberto again, Blatche is now your starting PF for sure with Blair/maybe McGee backing him up at PF. If you like that scenario, then there is no help for you. For this team this season and perhaps next season, I'll take Oberto over Blair in a heartbeat. No pun intended. lol

Too much emphasis on stats and no credit for experience, savvy, veteran toughness, defense and limited to no boneheaded plays. Same applies to the NY vs DS debate.

And, if you don't believe me, here is a quote from BH:

"Fab is the ultimate teammate," center Brendan Haywood said. "He's the guy that every winning team needs. He plays hard, practices hard, doesn't care about his stats, doesn't care about self, is always in the right place. To be successful, every team needs an Oberto, and we're just glad we have one."

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 29, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I think Young's time in DC is coming to an end. As talented as he is, he seems more like a "potential" player than a guy who could help right away.
That's also the difference between EJ and Flip. Saunders has a rotation of players set that he knows can get the job done right away, whereas EJ would have to "coach to develop", as well as "coach to win". If he gets his act together (and matures into a real pro) he could be an instant offense bench guy. Otherwise, I'd like to see what we could get on the open market for him.

Posted by: brianptaylor1911 | October 29, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Now, imagine the quote from BH had we had Blair and I'm sure you'd get the usual mixed bag review that is the same for all rookies or even "Young" players. Something this team does not need more of.

We've got a perfect balance at the moment between young and old, veterans vs young guns, and those in between. Blair instead of Oberto would tip the scale in the wrong direction for a team trying to win now or soon and not 4/5 years from now.

DCMANN, I see you're spewing your usual nonsense. You're telling me that LeBron James needs motivation to play at his best during a playoff game against a hated "rival"? C'mon. Absurd. The bulletin board stuff has been debunked over and over by players, analysts, and the like. Do some players claim to use that stuff as "extra" motivation? Sure. Is it true? Put it this way, if there is nothing obvious they will find something, anything to accomplish that same goal. So, again, it's all hogwash. Hell, according to Jordan, he was still using his being slighted in HS as a means to motivate himself.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 29, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of the Cavs ans LeBron, they are not looking so good. Will they make the playoffs? Sure. Are they a automatic top 3/4 team in the league? I don't think so.

Said it in the off season, adding Shaq to this roster at this point in his career is not a sure fire smart move. You added a slow old big man to the list of other slow and/or old big men already on their roster. In other words, they have no versatility or balance on the team.

And, an offense that consists of LeBron going 1 on 5. Something has to give and it might be the coach before too long if they continue to struggle. Right now it looks like Boston and Orlando clearly at the top with perhaps 3 teams that are going to fight for the 3rd slot. Cavs, Hawks, Wiz.

Posted by: rphilli721 | October 29, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

"I think at the time just about EVERYBODY wanted Ernie to give DS the boot and sign Juan Carlos Navarro. Call me crazy but I think DS gives the Wiz a little 'tude, which might not be all the bad.

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 28, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse "

The tude ain't so good when you get LeBron mad and can't back it up.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | October 28, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

What did Lebron getting mad cause him to do that he doesn't normally do? Or is he mad all the time?

Posted by: GoEagles

------------------------------
DC_MAN88,

Since you're willing to go down in flames with your circular argument about getting LeBron "mad", please answer GoEagles question, which I've re-posted here, if you'd be so kind. Enlighten us.

Posted by: Firuz1 | October 29, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

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