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Adjusting to offense will take time, but how much?

It was a beautiful display of basketball, the kind that the Washington Wizards assumed would be a regular occurrence when Flip Saunders took over as head coach. The Washington Wizards scored 27 points in little more than seven minutes in the third quarter of their 106-103 loss to the Detroit Pistons on Saturday. The ball whipped around at a neck-snapping pace, with confidence rising as open shots fell.

Mike Miller kicked the ball out to an open Andray Blatche for an 18-foot jumper, then Blatche returned the favor as he found Miller open for a three-pointer. Caron Butler took a pass on the wing from Blatche, then quickly found Gilbert Arenas open at the top of the key for another three-pointer.


It's getting harder to score. (Photo by Ned Dishman/NBAE via Getty Images)

All in all, the Wizards had eight assists on 10 field goals and turned an eight-point deficit into an eight-point lead, with the run concluding as Arenas threw a touchdown pass the length of the court to Butler, who dunked emphatically and wildly pumped his arms.

Those moments of offensive efficiency have been too rare for the Wizards (2-7) this season, which is one of the reasons they have lost six games in a row and have the third-worst record in the Eastern Conference. But how complicated is the offense? And, how long should it take for a team to grasp it? It's been seven weeks of training camp, preseason games and regular season games and players are still talking about the need to trust the system.

But Miller said the team's inability to consistently buy into the program is starting to get a little old. "At some point we have to stop using that as an excuse," said Miller, who scored 20 points after missing the previous three games with a sprained left shoulder. "That's where the line is: when is that excuse going to be out the door? I think it's going to be pretty quickly."

Pistons guard Richard Hamilton played under Saunders for three years, but he said that the players didn't immediately take to it. "It takes a while for any new coach to come into a situation. Guys are so used to playing a certain way," Hamilton said. "I remember with us, having Larry Brown and then having Flip, we all were stuck in our ways on Larry Brown's offense because regardless of if it was Flip or anybody else, we were always just mentally stuck on that."

The Pistons were learning the offense on the fly but the transition appeared seamless because they won their first eight games. "We was good, you know what I'm saying," Hamilton said, chuckling, "believing that we had the best five guys that you could put on the floor in the NBA."

Once they bought in completely, he said, the Pistons set a franchise record for wins with 64. Hamilton said that Saunders's offense requires movement from all five players on the court, instead of some typical, dull, two-man, pick-and-roll system. The players have to be in the right spots or the whole play could break down, he said.

"If you trust and believe in it, then the game will be easy," Hamilton said of the offense. "But all five guys have to be on the same page. If all five guys ain't on the same page, it's not going to work. All five guys got to know, and say, 'Okay, I believe in it. I'm going to get a shot, and if I don't get a shot, my teammate is going to get a shot.' "

Gilbert Arenas's problems running the offense were already covered in the newspaper. Caron Butler has also struggled under the new system, averaging just 16.8 points and shooting just 39.7 percent, but Hamilton said he should actually thrive in it.

"In Flip's offense? Caron can do a lot. He's a Connecticut guy," Hamilton said with a smile. "So you know us Connecticut guys, we master coming off screens and getting our shots. One thing Caron is great at doing, he can create his own shot off the dribble. For someone like him, he really has to study the offense. Because if he studies it, he can be great at it because he doesn't have to take harder shots. He can take easier shots."

Saunders said that one the reasons why the Wizards have had difficulty scoring is because they reduce their possessions with turnovers, which has helped their opponents get fastbreak opportunities and put them the Wizards in holes.

"We're not getting points because we're turning the ball over, we're not getting easy shots," Saunders said. "We got through stretches when we play really well. Early against Cleveland we were exceptional, against Miami early we played really well, then you have to trust your execution that when things go bad, what got you the big lead, stay with it and don't think that if things go bad, 'I'm going to try to do it all myself.' We revert back to that some times. When we trust our execution, trust the system, we've been pretty successful."

But those times have been few and far between.



By Michael Lee  |  November 16, 2009; 1:34 PM ET
 
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Posted by: prescrunk | November 16, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

When is everyone going to finally realize that, gifted as he is, Gilbert Arenas is not a quarterback. He's a good (not great) shooter and a good (not great) passer, but for a team to be exceptional, it needs a QB, someone like Chris Paul or Jason Kidd - someone who can orchestrate the game. That's not Gilbert.

Posted by: paulstutz14 | November 16, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

^^ amen.

Posted by: tgif11 | November 16, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Gil is not a true point guard. But the problem with the wizards when Gil was healthy was never scoring, it was defense. I understand Flip bringing in his system, but don't understand people laying things at Gil's feet because they are trying to fix something that was not broke.

The reality is whether the squad is one that can win the ring. You got an undersized 4, an average 5, above average, not great 3, multiple 2's all with flaws, a rusty great scorer at point but no d, and a deep, flexible, partially inexperienced bench. It is a team that can do damage, but with it's best player(GIL) rusty, is not what it could be without the layoff induced rust. In a WWE type league where preferential treatment of the stars is encouraged, you will not go nowhere without everybody playing over their heads to beat STERN.

I just want to see everybody healthy while coming to the realization that in the end STERN will win the ring.

Posted by: G-Man11 | November 16, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Washington has very few players capable of shooting 50% no matter what the scheme. Hence no easy wins. Actually they are lucky they have won any games so far. Against Dallas they had a rare game where they shot a high percentage and didn't turn the ball over. Against NJ, which had a couple of their starters out, they were lucky to have won. I think Miler and Blatche so far this season have showed that they don't need to hog the ball to fit in but who else? If you are going to depend on jump shots to win games, you need better shooters than what the Wizards have. I mean Butler is shooting 17% from behind the arc and Stevenson, who they seem to want to play, is shooting 15% from behind the arc. Wow, maybe they can scare the other teams into losing.

Posted by: dandyhuffman | November 16, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

It's tough to get a lot of high-percentage long-range looks when your team (A) has no inside scoring threat and/or (B) doesn't run the kind of ultra-high tempo fast break offense that can lead to quick transition threes (a la Phoenix).

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 16, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

for a team to be exceptional, it needs a QB, someone like Chris Paul or Jason Kidd - someone who can orchestrate the game. That's not Gilbert.

That's funny. Neither of those teams are exceptional. I believe Paul, Deron, Nash, Stockton, Kidd all have the same collective number of rings as Gil. Apparently that's not the key. Tony Parker and Billups are the only PG's even in the top 3 on their championship teams. Before that who? Isaiah? Magic? An "exceptional" PG is not what takes. None of your "exceptional" PGs have orchestrated anything.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 16, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

G_Man11, and dandyhuffman;
Great points I think that personnel is to be questioned.
The " When Healthy, etc..." approach looks like a gamble that we all have to live through, cross our fingers and hope a light comes on.
I still think they need to give an HONEST LOOK at all their players, try to work them in or cut bait.

Posted by: millineumman | November 16, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

......just better records than tha wiz so far

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 16, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Champions are an elite class and using them as the only example is easy cherry pick analysis. A really good PG is still the best way to build a team. All else is working around with the pieces you have.

Posted by: millineumman | November 16, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"I believe Paul, Deron, Nash, Stockton, Kidd all have the same collective number of rings as Gil. Apparently that's not the key."

deron, nash, stockton, and kidd led their teams to conference finals and nash, stockton, and kidd led their teams to the nba finals. that's exceptional by even your high standards.

Posted by: tgif11 | November 16, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Kal, I agree with you. The lack of an inside scoring threat puts a premium on ball movement and/or penetrating and dishing to the open man. When you have an inside scoring threat, the D usually collapeses or doubles down, leaving at least one guy open. Without an inside threat the success of the Wiz offense is predicated upon guys forcing the defense to react to good ball movement. Unfortunately, Gil and Caron have a shoot first mentality once they get the ball, which allows defenses to either stay at home or regroup. The result is often forced/contested shots. That is why M. Miller's willingness to pass is so valuable. Blatche is often a willing passer as well.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | November 16, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I am glad you all have given up on this team already. I haven't.

I still think they will at least make it to and have a competitive second round of the playoffs. At that point, almost anything can happen.

That being said; 90% of the champions from the past 30 years were either the Pistons, Bulls, Celtics, Rockets or Spurs.

If you drop the Rockets from that list, you can see that 25 out 30 championships have been won by only 5 teams. of course 9 of them are the Lakers and 6 are the Jordan Bulls.

The only teams that won won championships with more than one core group or main superstar are Pistons, Celtics and Lakers.

Everyone else built really good teams around their superstar and have not been able to do it again (Bulls = Jordan; Rockets = Olajuwan; Spurs = Duncan).

Boom...thats it. While all those teams had good PGs, None were built around the PG.

Posted by: Blurred | November 16, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Meant to include the lakers in my list of 90% of the champs of the past 30 years.

Posted by: Blurred | November 16, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Meant to include the lakers in my list of 90% of the champs of the past 30 years.

Posted by: Blurred | November 16, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Wallace is in his 9th year in the NBA, so if you have to go all the way back to college or his rookie year to dig up dirt on him, I'd say he's a pretty low-risk personality.

The guy plays all out at both ends of the floor whenever he's on the court and doesn't hesitate to give up his body 9with sometimes painful results). I'd love to have him on my team.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 16, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Kalo - go back to july and august when i was asking we find a way to get Wallace and you'll see I agree.

I think the last name Wallace just made me think he must be a trouble maker. Just Kidding of course. My mistake.

Posted by: Blurred | November 16, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Blurred | November 16, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

so are u saying u can build around the C,PF or SG but not the PG? cuz i would say that zeke really got it in in detroit with a lot of skilled role players. the common factor in all of those champs u mentioned is that they had superstar players that couldn't be matched (MJ,Hakeem,Timmy,Zeke,Kobe or Magic or Kareem) these guys were all NBA top 50th anniv guys. they all had transcendant superstars, guys who changed the game.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 16, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"Boom...thats it. While all those teams had good PGs, None were built around the PG."

The Bad Boys were certainly built around Isiah Thomas, and Parker was the MVP of the last Spurs team to win a title, as both Duncan and Ginobili were beginning to be slowed by age and/or injury. None of which is th say that Arenas is in the same category as those guys (he's not), but there's certainly no hard and fast rule that says the PG can't be the central player on a title team.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 16, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

blurred

we're lacking one thing. a superstar.

Posted by: tgif11 | November 16, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Seems like this is too much of a perimeter team so there is a lot of "settling" on jump shots.

Posted by: larryn703 | November 16, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"Pistons guard Richard Hamilton played under Saunders for three years, but he said that the players didn't immediately take to it. "It takes a while for any new coach to come into a situation. Guys are so used to playing a certain way," Hamilton said"


I predicted this scenario weeks before the start of the pre-season and that the Wizards will struggle in the first 2 months of the regular season because of thise. I have the team finish somewhere between 5 - 9 (I have the Hawks as the 4th seed). Alas a few minutes after posting I was shoot down by rphili, divi and others.

Posted by: Dave381 | November 16, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

tgif11 - I agree...we have no one to match those superstars...hoped Arenas would be it... so far he isn't.

Hollywood & Kalo - I was saying that Celtics, Lakers and Detroit built good teams more than once, so you can't basically say it was the luck to get a great superstar once, especially when you look at Detroit's 2000's champs.

As for the three teams (Rockets, Spurs & Bulls) I was directly referenced for my comment about pg's, they were all bult around a phenom they just happened to get lucky enough to draft. And yes, Parker won MVP of the series, but the key to the Spurs 3 championships was Duncan and whomever he had on the floor with him - Robinson, Parker, et al.

i am not saying you can't build a championship around a PG, I am saying the key is not whther your superstar is a PG or a C, it is that you have a superstar...with the Pistons of the past 10 years the exception.

Posted by: Blurred | November 16, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Kal, I agree with you. The lack of an inside scoring threat puts a premium on ball movement and/or penetrating and dishing to the open man. When you have an inside scoring threat, the D usually collapses or doubles down, leaving at least one guy open. Without an inside threat the success of the Wiz offense is predicated upon guys forcing the defense to react to good ball movement. Unfortunately, Gil and Caron have a shoot first mentality once they get the ball, which allows defenses to either stay at home or regroup. The result is often forced/contested shots. That is why M. Miller's willingness to pass is so valuable. Blatche is often a willing passer as well.

Posted by: ZardsFan1
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Haven't read a better post all season. This team needs to rely on Flip's system and the results when they have have been great. Quarterback or not, I don't get why Arenas and Butler for that matter, are having a tougher time than a Blatche or a Miller. That's what is baffling to me. Nobody has accused Blatche of being a gym rat or having a first class basketball IQ yet he is thriving. Hmmmm...could it be ego?

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 16, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

That's right jump off the wagon. More room for me when they get rolling. All the guys were talking about sacrificing their games in the preseason and now Caron is crying already about not getting his touches in the 4th quarter. You think KG worries about his touches? Have you heard any of the Boston big three ever talk about not getting enough touches when at least one of them nightly is scoring less than 18 points? How about Duncan, Parker and Ginobli? Weak minded teams start pointing the figures at each other when they go through tough stretches. Sports is all about confidence and being mentally tough and being able to sacrifice. The great teams know that. Now is not the time for players to be pouting about playing time and touches. That's the stuff of losers. I am staying on the bandwagon as I believe there are players and a head coach on this team that understand that and will step up and make sure everybody does the same.

Posted by: ptp23 | November 16, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I predicted this scenario weeks before the start of the pre-season and that the Wizards will struggle in the first 2 months of the regular season because of thise. I have the team finish somewhere between 5 - 9 (I have the Hawks as the 4th seed). Alas a few minutes after posting I was shoot down by rphili, divi and others.

Posted by: Dave381
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Shot down how? Yeah, I thought the adjustment period would be less strenuous. I also did not know at the time of the injury bug to come, which has definitely not helped the cause. The verdict is still out on where we finish, but I will cede that Atlanta is better team and will finish ahead of the Wiz barring a miracle.


We've also played the toughest schedule of anyone in league thus far.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 16, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"Nobody has accused Blatche of being a gym rat or having a first class basketball IQ yet he is thriving. Hmmmm...could it be ego?"

Could it be that, as the primary offensive options and the guys in the Wizards' lineup that opposing coaches spend the most time game planning against, Arenas and Butler see a lot more defensive attention than do two role players like Miller and Blatche?

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 16, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I said before the season started that the Hawks had the inside track on the 4 slot and that Josh Smith's maturation could be the key to their success. Well, he seems to be doing his part, having all but eliminated the 3 point shot from his game and concentrating on the things he actually does well. Jamal Crawford has been a real find. Freed from the expectation of being a centerpiece player really seems to have freed up his game.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 16, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Michael Lee! Great interview, man! Very encouraging words from Rip Hamilton. I hope Caron and co. read this because they probably need to hear it.

Posted by: jistutz | November 16, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I think gil's struggles are natural given his injuries and the actual recovery time (2yrs for wade 2yrs for Amare). But i also think that gil is shooting more js b/c he's not getting the whistle on his drives. He's been trying to attack the d, especially in crunch time, but he'snot getting the calls he used to get. i think that discourages him from driving the lane.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 16, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

It'll take 1 year. This season is lost. It took 1 year for them to learn Edddie Jordan's offense.

Posted by: freeflyr61 | November 16, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

detroit learns it on the fly and the wizards take a year.

the ship be sinkin'.

Posted by: tgif11 | November 16, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

There was a point made above about Gilbert being and undersized shooting guard and that we also have an undersized power forward as being reasons I suppose that this Team cannot be a serious contender.

The fact of the matter is that Gilbert is a shooting guard and Jamison plays as a four because, yes, he is damn good.

These are not reasons in themselves for this Team not to contend for a title.

However, Jamison can play the four because he is that good, but Arenas really cannot play the point despite what he as been listed as or what coaches want.

Gilbert is really a shooting guard and mind you, a damn good one. Even when he is all the way back health wise, next year, he will still be a shooting guard.

And I keep saying this, Timme' is listed as a power forward, but he actually controls the Center for San Antonio. List Arenas as a point all you want, but when the game starts he is a two and not a one. To devise your offensive gameplan on Arenas as a point guard is foolhardy.

Flip knows now that Arenas may need to control the ball as a two, but he also needs the off guard running with Gilbert to run the point.

Gilbert right now though needs to realize that this is not the same Wizards team that he rolled with pre-injury. In the fourth quarter with the game on the line he does not need to be the one always to make the winning shot. He needs to learn like Michael did that a drive and pass also is a lethal weapon.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 16, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

It'll take 1 year. This season is lost. It took 1 year for them to learn Edddie Jordan's offense.

Posted by: freeflyr61 | November 16, 2009 5:54 PM

Thats Poppycock!

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 16, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert has played about 30 games in the last 2 years.
It's gonna take some time for him to get back to being Hibachi.
Is he a 1.
Is he a 2.
Who cares what we call him.
Bottom line is he ain't playing very good right now.
When he figgers it out (sooner the better) we're gonna be OK.
Getting AJ & RF back will take some pressure off him.
Getting a string of W's will do it better.
When Flip figgers out how to get Earl in the game at the proper time, that will help also. No more 30+ minutes for that dude or we're in big trouble.

Posted by: VBFan | November 16, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

They are 20-60 since EJ was fired this is all on Ernie, honestly i wish Ted Leonsis would partner with someone and buy the team from Abe(and by the way stop bashing Mr.Pollin) he is obviously very ill.I gonna hold my tongue like i said until 25 games are played and i expect them to get better once Antawn and Foye get back.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 16, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

contender?
some are still in a dream. You think the team has a hard time to learn the offense, i think there is a problem in the locker room.I hope AJ will resolve it. surprisingly the coaching staff is as blind as most of us.

Posted by: gtefferra | November 16, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

@Kal,

Irregardless of whether Butler and Arenas receive extra attention defensively, they are still making worse decisions with the basketball within the new offense. If that's the case (and it certainly is true), they should be ahead of everyone else with ball movement bc there should be more open people for them to pass the ball to.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 16, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Irregardless ???

Posted by: VBFan | November 16, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it: even when healthy this team is worse than not only Cleveland and Orlando, but also Atlanta, Miami, Chicago, and Indiana -- probably on par with the 76ers.

Posted by: nadeemsx | November 16, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I think the Wiz should sign Iverson and start him moving arenas to the sg position. This would not only lenghten our bench but it would allow Arenas to do what he does best which is score and not worry about running the team. Yes I know Iverson is not a pure point guard but he is another legitimate scoring threat and this team is not made by the book anyway. At the very least he is a guy who drives constantly to the basket and will put other players in foul trouble while getting us much needed free throw attempts

Posted by: anacostia85 | November 16, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I seem to remember during the "glory" days of best record in eastern conf at the all-star break, gil was handling the ball 85% of the time.

How is that not being a pg?

If we call Gil a 2 and he dominates the ball and racks up 7 assists a night, is he not really a 1?

Gil's problem is not that he is a 2 trying to be a 1. It's that he's attempting to come back from micro-fracture surgery after not playing professional ball for vast majority of 2 years.

We're 10 games in and people talk like Gil is clearly a disaster and his career is over. Same stuff was said about DWade and Amare and we all see how they turned out

Posted by: divi3 | November 16, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

"Irregardless of whether Butler and Arenas receive extra attention defensively, they are still making worse decisions with the basketball within the new offense. If that's the case (and it certainly is true), they should be ahead of everyone else with ball movement bc there should be more open people for them to pass the ball to."

Of course, it's not nearly that simplistic. All kinds of elements, including spacing, passing angles, who else is on the floor, etc. have to be factored in. As Flip himself said, it's hard to get assists when nobody is making shots.

Of course, all of this "Arenas is selfish" "Arenas is not a PG" stuff is coming after a closely contested game in which he dished out 10 assists and had only 2 turnovers. Looks pretty PG like to me.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 16, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

That's funny. Neither of those teams are exceptional. I believe Paul, Deron, Nash, Stockton, Kidd all have the same collective number of rings as Gil. Apparently that's not the key. Tony Parker and Billups are the only PG's even in the top 3 on their championship teams. Before that who? Isaiah? Magic? An "exceptional" PG is not what takes. None of your "exceptional" PGs have orchestrated anything.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 16, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

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Another moronic statement from SDMTSU. I guess that Gil is as god as Lebron or Paul since none of them have rings.
So Adam Morrison is a better player than Lebron since he has a ring.
Sometimes I believe they should hire someone to track these forums and ban people that consistently make no sense.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 16, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Irregardless??? What's your question? It's a word although marked as non-standard. You the blog police? I used the redundancy for effect. Never mind.


Moving on...divi3, nice post. I agree. The problem with GA is not the PG debate. It's that he is not the same player he was before injury. I am just concerned that we are left with a $111 million dollar almost was a superstar player or was for 5 mins. I was worried about that before the contract was signed and more so now after 9 games of this season. We'll see. I got my fingers crossed.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 16, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

"I am just concerned that we are left with a $111 million dollar almost was a superstar player or was for 5 mins."

yup, agreed. But really, there was no choice but to sign Gil and I am glad we did. I mean what else were we supposed to do? Let him go and sign some high-priced mediocrities while watching DC_FAN78 post "cheap abe!!" in caps 300x a day?

Gil looks pretty healthy, rust and all, so keep those fingers crossed...

Posted by: divi3 | November 16, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

we're lacking one thing. a superstar.


Posted by: tgif11 | November 16, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse
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The problem isn't that we are lacking a superstar but the fact that the wiz are paying someone to be one and he is very far from being one. And that my friends is what handicaps teams for years (in this case 6 years).
The same happened with Juwan Howard's contract. It totally destroyed this franchise for 7 years.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 16, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Here's hoping that Gil and Caron get their act together and start making it happen. It's like Gil and Caron are trying to determine who the alpha male on the team is going to be. Who cares! Just win.

Posted by: and_1 | November 16, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

It'll take 1 year. This season is lost. It took 1 year for them to learn Edddie Jordan's offense.

Posted by: freeflyr61 | November 16, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

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Yeah, let's all wait 1 year and it will all be fixed up. Gil wil start playing like all the other max players, you know, Duncan, Garnett, Lebron, Wade...
NY will learn how to play basketball, Deshawn will finally learn how to shoot, Oberto will be even older and wiser...
It will all be great.....one year from now.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 16, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it: even when healthy this team is worse than not only Cleveland and Orlando, but also Atlanta, Miami, Chicago, and Indiana -- probably on par with the 76ers.

Posted by: nadeemsx | November 16, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

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I would add Detroit, Toronto, Milwaukee, Boston, Philly and maybe even Charlotte.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 16, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

I think the Wiz should sign Iverson and start him moving arenas to the sg position. This would not only lenghten our bench but it would allow Arenas to do what he does best which is score and not worry about running the team. Yes I know Iverson is not a pure point guard but he is another legitimate scoring threat and this team is not made by the book anyway. At the very least he is a guy who drives constantly to the basket and will put other players in foul trouble while getting us much needed free throw attempts

Posted by: anacostia85 | November 16, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse
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The team sold an inexpensive 2nd round for cash, so unless Iverson agrees to play for free and makes Abe richer, it won't happen.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 16, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Here we go. Learn to use a context clue. I'm not comparing Gil to any of them. I'm saying that a floor general is by the key ingredient to an "exceptional" team.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 16, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

By = not

iPhones type whatever they want

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 16, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

they can just grab Iverson off of waivers. I am sure his contract is not that bad. Gilbert's career averages of 23 points and 5.5 assists per game are more in line with a shooting guard as opposed to a point guard.
Iverson's averages are 27 and 6..between the two of them they could not only cause headaches for any backcourt in the league but they can share the ball handling and perhaps Gilbert won't turn it over as much.

Posted by: anacostia85 | November 16, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Easy.

Sounds like we need to clear some dead weight on this team, give up one guy with potential, and trade for Rip.

Another instance where a former Les Boules player should have never left.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 16, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 16, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

^ please re-post

Posted by: prescrunk | November 16, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Nick Young
JaTravel
Mike James
MeShawn

for

Rip

$$$ work.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 16, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

i like it but why would the Pistons do it? also, who would play defense?

Ernie kinda sucks

Posted by: prescrunk | November 16, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Nick Young
JaTravel
Mike James
MeShawn

for

Rip

$$$ work.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 16, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse
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Ok, and you are going to come up with the money to fill out the 3 roster spots that will result from trading 4 players for 1?
The money sure won't come from Abe's pockets. He sold an inexpensive 2nd round pick for cash.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 16, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Nick Young
JaTravel
Mike James
MeShawn

for

Rip

$$$ work.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 16, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse
___________________________________________
Ok, and you are going to come up with the money to fill out the 3 roster spots that will result from trading 4 players for 1?
The money sure won't come out of Abe's pockets. He sold an inexpensive 2nd round pick for cash.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 16, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

"An "exceptional" PG is not what takes. None of your "exceptional" PGs have orchestrated anything.Posted by: SDMDTSU"

Well, if you confine 'anything' to NBA championships, you have a point. Players like Kidd, Nash, Paul, and Deron Williams haven't won one. But all have distinguished themselves in every other forum, including internationally.

If I was building a team for an NBA title, I'd look for a dominant big man.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 16, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

"Nick Young
JaTravel
Mike James
MeShawn
for
Rip"

That, IMO, is one bad trade.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 16, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

"Ok, and you are going to come up with the money to fill out the 3 roster spots that will result from trading 4 players for 1?
The money sure won't come from Abe's pockets. He sold an inexpensive 2nd round pick for cash.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 16, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse "

It wouldn't be new news for EG to field an undermanned team.

Given that, another trade that works also is this:

Caron
MeShawn

for

Rip

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 16, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

yeah, let's trade a promising 20yr old 7 footer for a 30yr old guard who has never been dominant. great trade, no really.

Posted by: divi3 | November 16, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

"yeah, let's trade a promising 20yr old 7 footer for a 30yr old guard who has never been dominant. great trade, no really.

Posted by: divi3 | November 16, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse "

A 30 year old guard who's never been dominant? Surely you jest.

In case you didn't get the memo from EG and Gilby, there is a small window right now for Les BouleS to maximize the tools they have on this team to make a serious run in the playoffs..

Doubtful that it is dependent upon the contributions from a "promising" 20 year old who gets little PT to begin with.

BTW, what has JaTravel done to give you the impression that he's promising? A few blocks here and there?

Get real and get over the hype.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 16, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

he's a good fouler

Posted by: prescrunk | November 16, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

I wasnt the one who invited Mcgee to the olympic team tryout, so you can ask Colangelo what appears promising in Javale.

Posted by: divi3 | November 16, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

@Kal,

Agreed. As the problem is not as simplistic as them being more of the focus of opposing defenses. Clearly, Miller and Blatche are the best at maintaining and/or generating ball movement within this offense along with the just acquired Boykins - lol. My premise is that the two "all-stars" should be leading the way within the new system not lagging behind role players. A leadership vacuum seems to exist. One that hopefully will be filled with the return of Jamison.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 16, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

"I wasnt the one who invited Mcgee to the olympic team tryout, so you can ask Colangelo what appears promising in Javale.

Posted by: divi3 | November 16, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse "

And how does that equate to regular season contributions and success?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 16, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

what do you think the word "promising" means?

Posted by: divi3 | November 16, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

and rather than focusing on how you can dismantle the whole team, why not just give Caron a chance to get back to his career fg %?

Or (gasp) see what happens when Miller is in the lineup for a few weeks shooting the lights out?

Posted by: divi3 | November 16, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

"what do you think the word "promising" means?

Posted by: divi3 | November 16, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse "

It means nothing.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 16, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

"and rather than focusing on how you can dismantle the whole team, why not just give Caron a chance to get back to his career fg %?

Or (gasp) see what happens when Miller is in the lineup for a few weeks shooting the lights out?

Posted by: divi3 | November 16, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse "

Clearly nobody mentioned anything about trading Miller.

And clearly it's been reported that Caron seems ill fitted for this offense. He is not a catch and shoot kind of guy like Rip is, whom many say has the best medium range jumper in the business.

It'll be a great opportunity to get rid of MeShawn also, and allows Eminem to be a full time starter.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 16, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

And if the Wizards had traded James, then they wouldn't be able to use the cap space provided by his expiring contract to help re-sign whichever of their own FAs they decide to keep at season's end. Which is most likely why James wasn't and is unlikely to be traded.

Sad but too true kalo, sad but true.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 17, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

RICHMOND pounds VMI tonight, 103-62. The WIZ should take a close look at the tape of this game. It clearly shows how the Princeton offense could have worked with all five guys buying into it.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 17, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

"I am just concerned that we are left with a $111 million dollar almost was a superstar player or was for 5 mins."

yup, agreed. But really, there was no choice but to sign Gil and I am glad we did. I mean what else were we supposed to do? Let him go and sign some high-priced mediocrities while watching DC_FAN78 post "cheap abe!!" in caps 300x a day?

Gil looks pretty healthy, rust and all, so keep those fingers crossed...

Posted by: divi3
________

He may "look" healthy, but he is not playing like he is fully healthy or, at least, not like he was before the surgeries.

As far as what else should we have done, I was on board with some moves suggested by Wilbon at the time. Honestly, don't remember them now, but if we are left with this kind of production for the remainder of his $111 million dollar contract there was surely multiple possibilities that could have been better. Granted these injuries seem to take two full years for the athlete to come all the way back. Well, that means $111 million for 4 years worth of production - assuming. Nice deal, if you're GA. So just saying....they're still crossed!

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 17, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

@Dargreg,

Can a week pass without you mentioning the firing of EJ?

And, just to humor your living in the past, are we to assume that had he not been fired that our record would be any better??? Or that he would have ever gotten this team any further?? News flash: He got this team as far as he could and it was in the best interest of the team and him to move on.

Oh, forgot, this topic is always breached so that you can segue into bashing EG. The best GM this team has had since the 70's. I guess he didn't acquire the players that produced 4 straight playoff appearances...no..did he? Maybe not. Nope, EJ was GM/Coach at that point. Sorry, forgot.

By the way, EJ's turned a good defensive team in Philadelphia into a crappy one in no time at all just as I figured. Plus, they really aren't doing too well nor will they.

44%

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 17, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

"Clearly, Miller and Blatche are the best at maintaining and/or generating ball movement within this offense along with the just acquired Boykins"

That's not clear at all. Neither Miller nor Blatche (seriously, are you f*&king kidding me?) have as much responsibility in the offense or have the ball in their hands as much as Arenas. (I'm not even going to dignify the mention of Boykins, who's played a total of one game.) It's a lot easier to make fewer mistakes when you have fewer responsibilities. Saying that Blatche is a better ballhandler or playmaker than Arenas because he has fewer turnovers is like saying Antwan Randall El is a better quarterback than Jason Campbell because he throws fewer interceptions.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 17, 2009 12:44 AM | Report abuse

I seem to remember during the "glory" days of best record in eastern conf at the all-star break, gil was handling the ball 85% of the time.

How is that not being a pg?

If we call Gil a 2 and he dominates the ball and racks up 7 assists a night, is he not really a 1?

Gil's problem is not that he is a 2 trying to be a 1. It's that he's attempting to come back from micro-fracture surgery after not playing professional ball for vast majority of 2 years.

We're 10 games in and people talk like Gil is clearly a disaster and his career is over. Same stuff was said about DWade and Amare and we all see how they turned out

Posted by: divi3 | November 16, 2009 8:45 PM

Larry Bird was a point forward, so why did we not call him a point guard. Just because Gil needs the ball and can dish assist does not make him a point guard.

Just because he is undersized for a two, so he must be a one, does not necessarily follow.

Gill demands the ball to attack and score and assist when it presents itself. He does not control the ball to run or set up the Team.

That is why the other guard really has to be the point.

Also back when you say Gilbert controlled the ball 85% of the time, the NBA rated him as a two and he is still rated as a top ten shooting guard to this day.

I agree that he is struggling because of his health and being out for two years, but Gilbert plays as a two, even though he requires the ball.

Wade, Kobe, Michael, are all two's that require the ball for major minutes, even Lebron, but there is someone else responsible for the point.

The point controls the ball for the Team. Gilbert has never done that.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 17, 2009 12:47 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: mbrothsc | November 17, 2009 1:01 AM | Report abuse

ok we got all the "key" playas back starting wednesday...i think it will still take 6-9 games to see it start to gel...if by late dec. early jan. this team is below .500 i would say start looking ahead to next season and a major trade for some of these so-called "all stars" that can't stay healthy or compete...remember bloggers we are bullets/wizard fans...i'm starting to think that some of these playas don't care about the uniform they're wearing...as long as the check clears...late

Posted by: ronniecope106 | November 17, 2009 1:49 AM | Report abuse

I'm sick of the cliche' talk..."they just want a check."

Do you even know what that means? They play hard, who looks like they don't care when they get on the court...besides Nick? Yeah Mike Miller is playing for a check playing with one arm...yeah he's playing for stats. It's not clicking 9 games into a 82 game season. They've shown flashes of being a very good team. They're going to be fine.

Get a Zach Randolph on your team if you want to see someone who doesn't care.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 17, 2009 7:49 AM | Report abuse

OOOH, How could I forget? We also let Rip Hamilton go to the Pistons. It is kind of like when the Yankees used to take the Kansas City A's (now Oakland A's) players and give them hamburger for filet mignon!
Washington should never trade with them again because Detroit will take their cakes like a criminal in Lorton would have taken one of our modern day "gangstas" buns.

Posted by: rickywarner49 | November 17, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse

I’ve said it before and I will say it again. We should never have resigned Arenas. He is a gunner (scores a lot of points) but shoots for a low percentage. He is a matador defender. Best case scenario we make the playoffs with this guy and get to round 2 of playoffs. BEST CASE SCENARIO!!!!
Although he was injured last year-he still made over 14 million dollars. When you consider he scored 26 points all season that comes to $538,461 per point. Yes over half a million a point and more than a million per basket. Agent 0- Hibachi or robber. We have all our eggs in one basket and he has all the money in the bank.
We have made stupid moves for so long that I can no longer root for the Bullets-Wizards. We acquired Chris "Timeout" Weber for 3- THREE number 1 draft picks and Tom Gugliotta. Webber thought he was GM and begged us to acquire the true "choke artist" Latrell Sprewell. Thank god we didn't listen to Webber. Meanwhile Sprewell is manufacturing four-fours so that poor ghetto kids can aspire to be like drug dealers with fancy rims. Webber proves to be so dumb that he is popped smoking “doobie” on the way to practice on Central Avenue in his tinted window Caddilac. Strickland, Price et al - the list is long.We can really pick up those over the hill gang guys but unlike George Allen’s they aren’t winners.
On one hand we get rid of Rasheed Wallace –the best draft pick we have had since Wes Unseld. We also give them Ben Wallace and Rip Hamilton. As I said, you cannot build a team around Arenas as he is a “tweener” sizewise and he just aint that good. He puts little or no extra fannies in the seats and doesn’t lead us to many victories. Our home attendance is abysmal –always 23rd-30th in the league. Trust me our road attendance is even worse.
I have since moved to San Antonio and have the pleasure of seeing a class organization now, the Spurs. I still love the Redskins and even the hapless Nats and as a native Washingtonian have never given up on a DC team. I never cared for hockey as it seems like pro-wrestling to me. I am the ultimate homer but I finally give up on the Wizards. How can you call your team the Wizards (like KKK) when you are representing “chocolate city.” Maybe they should become the Bullets again and Pollin should call it a career. I love AI but “the Answer “ is not the answer as he is past his prime. I loved the acquisition of Jamison because he is a class guy and one hell of a player. Caron is pretty good too, but the rest of the cast is mediocre.

Cut the crap- specifically Arenas and his salary and start with good draft choices. Jamison and Butler are fine – but Arenas doesn’t fit this puzzle. We are paying him $14-16 million dollars per year. I seriously doubt anybody in the league would pay $5 million for his services. The Wiz should tank their next 3 or 4 seasons so as to acquire some top flight lottery picks. The good news is they don’t have to because they are that bad!

Posted by: rickywarner49 | November 17, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

I forgot to mention the 2 Wallaces and Hamilton were 60% of the championship Pistons nucleus.

Posted by: rickywarner49 | November 17, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

for the record, trading Rip ultimately led to the acquisition of Jamison.

Posted by: divi3 | November 17, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

I thought Arenas was foolish to opt out of his contract in 2008 after two knee surgeries and still being less than 100%. I guess he knew more than us all how much cash he was worth to the franchise. He's paid for what he does for Abe's bottom line, not for any push he may provide toward a championship.

Posted by: tgif11 | November 17, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

for the record, trading Rip ultimately led to the acquisition of Jamison.

Posted by: divi3 | November 17, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Don't tell them anything...let them have it...lol

Let's all talk about Rod Strickland and Gugliotta and all the stuff that has NOTHING TO DO with this team.

And for the record...CHRIS WEBBER WASN'T THAT GOOD ANYWAY.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 17, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I bet U. of Arizona fans are still pining over what might have been if Brandon Jennings had gone to Tucson instead of Europe. Brandon, Jordan Hill, and Chase Budinger on the same college team -- that would have been something to see.

I'm also thinking more HS phenoms and their 'advisors' are seriously considering a tour in Europe rather than college. Even if you don't play much -- and Jennings didn't -- it's easy to convince yourself that playing against older, experienced players is helpful to NBA-readiness, and besides, you're getting paid. There's a 7-footer from San Diego heading over there this season, and more are sure to follow.

Is Jennings really as good as he looks? I can't be sure. He's always been the sort of guard who can take over a game in bursts, controlling the ball and accumulating points and assists in bunches. He's as fast as Chris Paul or Tony Parker. He's not the floor general that Paul is, and he's a couple inches shorter than Parker, but as a rook, a better shooter than either.

He's also around 6' and maybe 170 lbs (I said maybe), and that's not an advantage in the NBA. Maybe he'll have one of those rubber-band bodies that can take a lot of contact, like Iverson. We can only hope.

Plus he appears to need the ball in his hands all the time to be effective. There are some downsides to that, of course.

Still, the most exciting of the current crop, IMO.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 17, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

And for the record...CHRIS WEBBER WASN'T THAT GOOD ANYWAY.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 17, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

R U serious webb was an All Star in washington and a perrenial all star forward in the west after washington. easy there killer....

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 17, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Plus he appears to need the ball in his hands all the time to be effective. There are some downsides to that, of course.

Still, the most exciting of the current crop, IMO.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 17, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

BJ is super effective with the ball in his hands might make an all star case as a rookie. does michael redd still play basketball????????????

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 17, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

R U serious webb was an All Star in washington and a perrenial all star forward in the west after washington. easy there killer....

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 17, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Go look at his career numbers. PF's who shoot 50% 3 times over a 14 year career and play 70 games only 6 times...aren't anything to cry about.

Good rebounder...great passes...but the 4 assists a game are pretty much negated by the 3 turnovers per game.

Funny thing is...as much as people complain about losing Webber...Jamison puts up very similar numbers but they can't wait to get rid of him. It's kinda funny.

And being an All-Star doesn't really mean very much.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 17, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Funny thing is...as much as people complain about losing Webber...Jamison puts up very similar numbers but they can't wait to get rid of him. It's kinda funny.

And being an All-Star doesn't really mean very much.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 17, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse
it would be funny if they put up the same #s as Webb but he doesn't so that point is moot. also people who liked webb as a bullet remember the low posting CB dunking on beast 2 years removed from the University of Michigan the AJ that people want to get rid of is the 30+ yr old jumpshooting pf that refuses to bang in the post. I don't think it's fair to even compare Cwebb from his Wiz days to AJ today, it's not even close. BTW AJ has 2 all star nods; which really doesn't mean much 5 all star nods as a big man in the west though is a bit more respectable.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 17, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

"refuses to bang in the post"

i never get this. AJ scores bunches in the paint/post, and rebounds as well as any PF who can score.

who cares if he 'bangs' or not? He's an inside presence (on offense obviously)

Posted by: divi3 | November 17, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

he's an inside contributor, but i would stop short of saying "presence". when i think of a "presence'down low u think of Howard, Shaq, even Ben Wallace was a low post presence but not a low post scorer. AJ has a go to move in the post, but it's often based on his ability to flip a janky shot at an awkward angle. now he does this with the best of them, but he is not imposing on offense and, he's fairly inviting on defense. He's not physical enough for my liking, and considering the lack of overall toughness on the team i'd wanna see more "bullyball" from my bigs. but to his credit at least 19.5 and 7.5 rebs for the past 5 yrs makes him no slouch.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 17, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

btw those comments were based on a comparison b/w CWebb(bullets/wiz) and AJ(present day). when Cwebb was here he had a solid back to the basket game and was a real force down low. Jamison is a solid contributor down low but not the same type of physical presence theat Cwebb was, but that's no indictment of jamison he's 30 something the cwebb i was talkin bout was 21-24 during that period at the oldest i can see why Aj might be less physical as he gets older, not to mention he was never a real banger to begin with.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 17, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

it would be funny if they put up the same #s as Webb but he doesn't so that point is moot. also people who liked webb as a bullet remember the low posting CB dunking on beast 2 years removed from the University of Michigan the AJ that people want to get rid of is the 30+ yr old jumpshooting pf that refuses to bang in the post. I don't think it's fair to even compare Cwebb from his Wiz days to AJ today, it's not even close. BTW AJ has 2 all star nods; which really doesn't mean much 5 all star nods as a big man in the west though is a bit more respectable.

Maybe you should do some research. "dunking on people" doesn't mean anything. Check the numbers. Webber wasn't much different than Jamison. He was more explosive...he was still a jump shooting PF. Maybe you don't remember people being upset that he "refused to bang"

Jamison gets points in the post ugly or not. It works for him. The career numbers aren't much different and he spends a lot less time in street clothes anyway.

All-Star game so what...it's a popularity contest...why do you think A.I. started when he clearly shouldn't have been anymore? He definitely didn't play in 5 All-Star games for the West anyway...LOL

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 17, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Now that Radja Bell has been traded in that Stephen Jackson trade, we should trade Stevenson for him. He's a tough defender and nice scorer...just what we need in a 2 guard.

Posted by: kahlua87 | November 17, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

CWebb was vastly overrated and we gave up the ranch to get him. He lacked something called cajones and common sense. His numbers seem OK but if he gets in the Hall of Fame ( very unlikely) the busts of Bill Russell, Oscar Robertonson, Kareem and all the rest will urinate on him.

Arenas is stealing Pollin's money. Someone stated that he contributes to the bottom line. Check for home and away games and attendance in 2007-2008 avg 17,802 per game, 2008-2009 17,962
this year so far 17,662. We drew more fans without Arenas' than with him. We are the 4th largest market in the nation and can't crack the top ten in attendance. So much for contributing to the bottom line. The Wizards are coming to San Antonio this weekend and people are giving away tickets.

Posted by: rickywarner49 | November 17, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

That poll should have an "all of the above option". We're just dreadful on the offensive end.

But honestly I think it has the most to do with Gil. He hasn't played in 2 years, and I think we're seeing it. He can't finish at the rim the way he used to. I believe he'll get back to it, but he's not there now. And he's trying to do too much himself, taking difficulty 10 shots as opposed to passing from the lane. Those 2 things combined account for way too many empty possessions for us. I think Gil will be in the flow by the all star break. And then, look out!

Posted by: Matte | November 17, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Losing Webber was a great thing- as my grandfather used to say he was a "bum" and a crybaby when one considers his ability and his ultimate impact on wins and losses.
I stated that if we had kept Wallace, Ben Wallace and Rasheed only a few pieces would have been needed to be a real contender. We would not have needed AJ. I don't know who to blame but this looks a lottery team to me! I've seen it for so many years that it makes me ill! Resigning Arenas , an LA native is no big keeper. He may have a nice sideshow out west but nobody around the league cares to see him, particularly on the east coast.
The front office makes nothing but stupid trades that never benefit us. This franchise should try to build through the draft as the other teams always outsmart us! The current cast will only disappoint!

Posted by: rickywarner49 | November 17, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I meant if we kept Hamilton, Wallace and Wallace then we would have been on the right track! Being on the right track would be a novelty for this franchise. If you make it to the playoffs and lose every year in the first round that is no big deal. Sub 500 teams are frequently in the playoffs. We'll never be a "true" contender paying superstar money to someone like Arenas.

Posted by: rickywarner49 | November 17, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

The reason Wiz are in this shape is because of bad GM decisions. Oberto for a 2nd round pick and plenty of other bad contract moves. A new coach that has had more talent in the past than the Wiz have and couldn't get past the 2nd round. His system sucks. A good coach adapts to his talent. Flip has had KG, Rip, Sheed, Prince, Wallace, Billups, Cassell and a host of others. I don't see any rings on his fingers. Instead he's killing Wiz young players. People dog Young and McGee. You can't dog what you haven't seen.

What team would you trade the Wiz current roster with in the east. By my count the Wiz don't make the playoffs. Thanks Ernie for another lottery year. Are you going to trade that pick for another Oberto type stiff.

celtics
cavs
magic
hawks
bulls
toronto
miami
pistons
pacers or bucks

Posted by: rnbrown4 | November 17, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

This s is my last post to this madness. We need to revamp this whole squad and forget about the playoffs. For damn near 20 years Wes Unseld's sorry decisions got us into the playoffs with no real cance of winning it all. This lowered our draft status before rhe ping pong balls were a big deal for 1 day a year. Lets get more balls in the hopper so we can get some good picks. I think it eould be wise to get rid of Arenas -first. He is a guard and has lost several steps - translation he is finished.Big body big men can play for 20 years but when guards slow down it is curtains - Gilbert's flash in the pan is over.

I respect and like Jamison's character and his game but see if we can get a first round pick for him. Ditto for Caron. We need a real star and if he is just coming out of high school make sure his name aint Kwame! We could at least be exciting with some guys who can jump out of the gym. Go for youth , talent and upside and character. This team is a big bag of sh_t with a rope tied around the middle and boring as hell!

Posted by: rickywarner49 | November 18, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Just a small correction:
Wes Unseld's decisions got us into the playoffs only one time. Everyone thought the team was on the rise, then he traded Webber and kept Juwan, his worst decision by far, IMO.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 18, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

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