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Heat (3-1) at Wizards (2-2)

Wizards starters: Gilbert Arenas, Mike Miller, Caron Butler, Fabricio Oberto, Brendan Haywood

Heat: Mario Chalmers, Dwyane Wade, Quentin Richardson, Michael Beasley, Jermaine O'Neal

Line: Wizards by 2.5.

According to two league sources, the NBA will upgrade Shaquille O'Neal's crushing personal foul against DeShawn Stevenson to a flagrant foul. With the Wizards leading 41-28 with about seven minutes left in the second period, Stevenson was driving to the basket when O'Neal stepped up and knocked Stevenson on his back. Stevenson was on the ground for several seconds, writhing in pain, before eventually getting up and making both free throws.

Coach Flip Saunders again talked about the importance of his players maintaining their composure in difficult situations. The Wizards built an 18-point lead against the Cleveland Cavaliers but fell apart after several calls went against them, with Shaquille O'Neal putting all of their big men in foul trouble.

"I talked to them about being able to play through bad calls, being able to play through other teams' runs, where they make some three-point shots and not all of a sudden hanging your head and saying, 'Oh, woe is me.' Because maybe you didn't go you your way because what happens is maybe things start multiplying," Saunders said. "There were some bad calls out there last night. You have a couple of bad whistles, but that's what happens in this game. Our referees do as well a job as any professional. It's a hard game to referee. You have to learn how to play through that situation."

After the 102-90 loss, forward Andray Blatche spoke up about how players stopped trusting the system and began to move in different directions as the game started spiraling out of control. Blatche said, "We have to play more as a team, fight through things as a team. We've got to stick together, no matter what. Everybody has to trust everybody."

It was a rare moment for Blatche, who may truly be embracing a more mature role with the team in his fifth season. Asked before the game about why he decided to say something, Blatche said, "This is my team, this is my family," Blatche said. "I've been here five years. Even if they don't want to hear it from me, they hear it from me. We got to stick together. We all got to trust each other, whether we winning or losing. We got be one unit."

Saunders said trust is something that develops over time, but added that the team will have to embrace it in order to overcome rough patches. "Our players want to have success," he said. "When our team is struggling, they believe the one that they are going to be the one to get the team out of it. And then they try to do too much. You start playing more me than we ball. We have to continue to play more we basketball."

Heat Coach Erik Spoelstra was asked about the difference with the Wizards under Saunders. After talking about his familiarity with Saunders's schemes from the Heat's past playoff battles against the Detroit Pistons, Spoelstra went to the obvious. "And they have a dynamic healthy player in Gilbert Arenas, who can take your plans and throw them effectively out the window," he said. "The ball in his Gilbert's hands a lot. He's got the green light to make a lot of plays for the team. He poses a lot of challenges. He looks healthy. He looks as quick as he did, as explosive as he did three years ago."

By Michael Lee  |  November 4, 2009; 6:47 PM ET
 
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I doubt you'll see Stevenson waving his hand in front of his face the next time they play the Cav's.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 4, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Aren't we at home tonight? How about a call please?

Posted by: restonhoops | November 4, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

it's "woe is me" Mike. Other than that, good quotes.

Posted by: Marine4Life51 | November 4, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Just went onto the Heats blog site, their fans are complaining all of the calls are going the Wizards way and the Refs are letting the Wizards back into the game?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 4, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Flip is a dumb A__ coach. The comeback with McGee and Blatche on the floor. McGee makes a move to the hoop and Flip benches him. This is why the Wiz will lose and will not be a 2 tier team. He bring in stiff Haywood and then brings back cry baby Stevenson. Where is Nick. What a joke.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | November 4, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

As much as people hate D-steve...Its obvious that his defense on D-Wade was much better than Mike Miller and he (Flip) went away from it! Bad coaching already! Caron continues to have tooooo many turnovers thats killing this team!

Posted by: rf2litenva | November 4, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

not liking Gil's reluctance to take those 3-pters at the top of the key off the dribble. he's become VERY passive in that aspect...if anything, those are his highest percentage jumpshots anywhere on the floor, he needs to get back to playing via instinct to a certain degree.

Posted by: kman2 | November 4, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Haywood is doing his thing. It aint pretty but its working. Jermaine O'neal cannot guard him.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | November 4, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I doubt you'll see Stevenson waving his hand in front of his face the next time they play the Cavs.

I guarantee you that he will.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 4, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Flip is a dumb A__ coach. The comeback with McGee and Blatche on the floor. McGee makes a move to the hoop and Flip benches him. This is why the Wiz will lose and will not be a 2 tier team. He bring in stiff Haywood and then brings back cry baby Stevenson. Where is Nick. What a joke.

McGee should've sat down. He did something that I'm sure he's been told not to do. Remember the Philly game? That's completely unacceptable. Nick is comfortable on the bench where he belongs.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 4, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

ALL the respect to Miller right now. What a TOUGH guy. Wow.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 4, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Yeah...Mike Miller just earned a lot of respect for the last 3 minutes of the game. You can't help but respect someone that shows that much toughness.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 4, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Why is Miller coming back in this game? our med staff ought to be fired on the spot. He's dragging his arm around.

There is a thin line between tough and stupid. Tied with 8 and a half to go. important game... but not that important.

BmoreRev

Posted by: stanlong23 | November 4, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm happy we're hanging tough with the Heat. But it's no secret that we need Antawn Jamison.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 4, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm looking at the stats and I can't figure out for the life of me how we're still in the game. They're shooting 49% were shooting 39%...they've made more 3's...ft's arent much different or rebounds...but they're still in it.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 4, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

stevenson is horrible. nice job missing BOTH free throws. whatever. game over.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 4, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday it was the refs, what is it today?

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 4, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

honesty, the wizards aren't that good.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 4, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm happy we're hanging tough with the Heat. But it's no secret that we need Antawn Jamison.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 4, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

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Happy, are you serious??? The heat isn't even a top 10 team in the league and we lost to them at home!!!!!!

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 4, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Utilityman1- uh, is anyone complaining about anything? NO.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 4, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Utilityman1- Yeah, I'm serious. There's a guy on that team and I think his name is Dwayne Wade. He had 40 points tonight and was unstoppable.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 4, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

It was a good game, but i'm really looking foward to when Jamison come back. There were alot of open shots for Oberto that he know he can't make, but Jamison would knock it down easy. When he come back we are goig on a run.

Good game though, Wade is just too good...

Posted by: ATLredskin | November 4, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I love Arenas but I think he's trying to do too much on his own. Deshawn is done. Start Blacthe instead of Oretoba(sp?). Overall, even when Jamison comes back, I think we're missing a player or two to get on top.

Posted by: demonj21 | November 4, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Damn good game. Did not get over the hump. DSteve though tough is not confident yet. He lacks trust in himself.

We are missing true point guard play. JCrit may be the answer to the flow for this Team. GA and Foye can play point, but the Team dosen't really flow.

We need Gilbert's playmaking and his scoring.

But I think he needs to do it from the two position and not the one.

I could be a dumb butt, but JCrit I think is the answer.

I am not dissatisfied with this loss tonight.

It took the best in DWade to beat us.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 4, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Jamison is a huge piece...people don't even pay Oberto and attention and Blatche is still inconsistent. It's gonna force people to be honest and open up lanes for Gil or Jamison is going to have a lot of open shots. Butler looks like he's having a litte difficulty adjusting to being #2 again.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 4, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Utilityman1- Yeah, I'm serious. There's a guy on that team and I think his name is Dwayne Wade. He had 40 points tonight and was unstoppable.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 4, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

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So we are supposed to lose to every team that has a superstar?

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 4, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Heat (Wade) kicked our butt.
Evem without AJ the Wizzies are much better team on paper. Gil took on too much. We gotta play team ball. Once we figger this out we'll dominate teams like the Heat & Hawks. If Miller's out for extended time it'll take a while longer. You can't win with just one guy dominating the ball.

Posted by: VBFan | November 4, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

We got the home court calls this game, but couldn't close out.

Arenas had about the worst 30+ point performance I've seen. Terrible percentage from the floor and forced a lot of shots inside when he could dish to open players. The ball movement tonight was not there. I'm optimistic that the deeper we get into the season that these performances will be less common as the team and Gil get used to the new offense. Things just didn't look smooth out there, it looked like a scrambling hectic mess with a lot picks at the top of the key.

Who would've thought our biggest problem at this point would be offense?

Posted by: manifested | November 4, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Now, all of a sudden, we BADLY need Jamison. If you are to contend and go on a playoff run like so many hoped and predicted, you beat mediocre teams like Miami at home with or without Jamison, period!!

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 4, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

As long as Gilbert trys to do everything, the Wizards will continue to be average at best. Iverson has made a living thinking he is better than the team. Every time he leaves a team they get better. No more excuses Agent Zero, just make the rest of the team better like Magic and Bird did for their teams. If you won't to make the playoffs and advance past the first round, try to become a team first.

Posted by: kprince14 | November 4, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

We got the home court calls this game, but couldn't close out.

Arenas had about the worst 30+ point performance I've seen. Terrible percentage from the floor and forced a lot of shots inside when he could dish to open players. The ball movement tonight was not there. I'm optimistic that the deeper we get into the season that these performances will be less common as the team and Gil get used to the new offense. Things just didn't look smooth out there, it looked like a scrambling hectic mess with a lot picks at the top of the key.

Who would've thought our biggest problem at this point would be offense?

Posted by: manifested | November 4, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

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Oh believe me, defense is a probelem when washed up SHAQ drops 21 on you in limited minutes.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 4, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad EJ's gone because he would have been taken to task after this loss, Jamison or not he would have been criticized for having having Deshawn in the game because Stevenson is not a good foul shooter but wait he's a better defender than........... and he stopped Dwayne didn't he? yeah he sure did right up until Wade hit that jumper in his i can't feel my face LMAO!! He wasn't stopping anyone and with the Wiz having the benefit of the penalty why would you have Stevenson in the game to begin with he should have left Foye in the game, Wade was on a tear anyway so at least Foye was a better scoring threat and foul shooter,yeah things are sure better with Flip,yeah Flip's the best.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 4, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

As long as Gilbert trys to do everything, the Wizards will continue to be average at best. Iverson has made a living thinking he is better than the team. Every time he leaves a team they get better. No more excuses Agent Zero, just make the rest of the team better like Magic and Bird did for their teams. If you want to make the playoffs and advance past the first round, try to become a team first.

Posted by: kprince14 | November 4, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Arenas although looking pretty good is still doing too much and making bad decisions at all the wrong times. He's too helter skelter thus far.

Butler? Where are are? More of your two three bad turnovers a game. And, no impact on the game whatsoever although his play on the baseline was the KEY blown call of the game in an otherwise evenly called game (bad calls even both ways). Clearly a foul. Who do you want on the line with the game tied Butler or Stevenson? Of course, it was Wade who committed the foul so it wasn't a foul.

And, my first problems with FS substitutions. First, Miller should have never reentered the game. But, Miller showed me more toughness this game than Butler ever has. Second, if there was ever a game where you might throw NY in there to see if his offense is on this would have been it. This team struggled the whole game offensively with Arenas not shooting well, Butler missing in action, and everyone else doing little to nothing consistently with the exception of Haywood. Sigh! Third, I might have tried McGuire on Wade to see if that would work. I think he is every bit the defender DS is and can't be worse offensively at this point. Plus, he has hops to better challenge Wade's pull ups. If these experiments don't work, then pull them out of the game after a few minutes. Don't see how that would have hurt our chances considering there was no flow to the game whatsoever anyway.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 4, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

...the Heat & Hawks. If Miller's out for extended time it'll take a while longer. You can't win with just one guy dominating the ball.

Posted by: VBFan | November 4, 2009 10:10 PM

VBFan,

...one guy dominating the ball is why I am saying JCrit might just be the key. He is a true point that is fast, big, talented, and smart.

He can handle all the mundane stuff that a point is responsible for and Gill can still quarterback the Team, but much more easily.

Right now Gill is doing too much. I like to see Crit lighten his load. Foye cannot do it, because he also needs what Crit can bring to the table to enhance his game also.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 4, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday it was the refs, what is it today?

Posted by: Utilityman1

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Yesterday the refs were part of the equation. Today they were fine.

Yesterday the Wizards lost by 12; today they lost by 4.

The outcome of today's game could have gone either way in the final minutes, even with Miller out.

Yesterday not so much, because the home team got a nice assist in the 2nd quarter from the officials.

So, what's your point?

Posted by: JPRS | November 4, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Seems like Miller is getting frustrated for not getting the ball more. Anyone see Miller call for the ball when he was open? He looked pissed that he didn't get it. I think it was Foye who didn't pass it to him, then missed a J. Wiz need to work it around...too many bad long jumpers. And they need a wing man who can D up.

Posted by: t-train | November 4, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Arenas although looking pretty good is still doing too much and making bad decisions at all the wrong times. He's too helter skelter thus far.

Butler? Where are are? More of your two three bad turnovers a game. And, no impact on the game whatsoever although his play on the baseline was the KEY blown call of the game in an otherwise evenly called game (bad calls even both ways). Clearly a foul. Who do you want on the line with the game tied Butler or Stevenson? Of course, it was Wade who committed the foul so it wasn't a foul.

And, my first problems with FS substitutions. First, Miller should have never reentered the game. But, Miller showed me more toughness this game than Butler ever has. Second, if there was ever a game where you might throw NY in there to see if his offense is on this would have been it. This team struggled the whole game offensively with Arenas not shooting well, Butler missing in action, and everyone else doing little to nothing consistently with the exception of Haywood. Sigh! Third, I might have tried McGuire on Wade to see if that would work. I think he is every bit the defender DS is and can't be worse offensively at this point. Plus, he has hops to better challenge Wade's pull ups. If these experiments don't work, then pull them out of the game after a few minutes. Don't see how that would have hurt our chances considering there was no flow to the game whatsoever anyway.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 4, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

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NY would have trouble making a D-League team...

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 4, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Michael Jordan was never a point guard. I here to tell everyone here that Gilbert Arenas isn't one either.

Javaris Crittendon is the point guard for the Washington Wizards.

All of you that want him to morphe into a point are just blowing smoke. Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant have no illusions about being a point guard and Gilbert Arenas should not either.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 4, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

It is clear this team is not where they want to be yet. Whether or not they can reach there I don't know.

Looks like we need another scorer out there, Jamison is missed. Hope Miller's shoulder is OK; otherwise we are in trouble for the next couple of weeks at least.

I remember someone brought up Wade as one of the small SGs. Not true, when Wade and Butler stand side-by-side, he is about Butler's height (an inch shorter maybe), and he is clearly bigger than Foye, posting up Foye at will. He first abused Miller with his quickness and then simply post the smaller Foye up, and forced Saunders to send in Stevenson, who did a relatively good job, but not so good on the offense end.

Arenas just made a couple mistakes near the end, he is still learning. Hopefully we can put everything together this season.

Posted by: sagaliba | November 4, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert Arenas is an attacking scoring phenom and he should not be solely responsible for setting up the Team. The point guard should be primarily responsible for getting the Team set and getting the ball into Gilberts hands.

It is not a coencidence that Gilbert appeared to flourish along side of Larry whom could handle the point as well.

LarryInClintonMD.

Get well quick Javaris.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 4, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Oleksiy Pecherov went off for 24 points and 8 rebounds tonight.

Posted by: isnadd | November 4, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Somebody said earlier that Blatche was still inconsistent. I don't see any evidence thereto.

You know who you are. Explain.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 4, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I think the most negative aspect of the season thus far is I see a team that is expecting the worst and hoping for the best. Instead of a team that goes out and imposes it's will to win on the game like they did the first game of the season. So, I'm a little skittish on the team psyche at this point. The injuries to Jamison, Butler, and now Miller have not helped in that regard I'm sure.

The good news is that even when we are not clicking offensively or shooting poorly we are now able to stay in games bc we play good to decent defense. That will work to our advantage as the season progresses and our offense improves through familiarity and getting players back.

Starting to see how much this team misses Jamison as defenses can ignore too many people on the court and concentrate all their resources on Arenas. Butler has done little to nothing thus far as a second option although he loves to remind people that he is an all-star whenever he gets the chance. Start playing like it then Caron!!!

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 4, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

stevenson is horrible. nice job missing BOTH free throws. whatever. game over.

Posted by: rachel216 | November 4, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

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Totally agree with that! What a momentum killer! Neither of the two free throws had a chance! Idiot!

Posted by: JohnWWW | November 4, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Who cares about "flow"? This wasn't a "flow" type of game. Both coaches made reference in the huddle to grinding the game out. That's just the kind of game it was.

After looking primed to get blown out, the game was close down the stretch. They were in good position to win, and they got there with either Miller or Stevenson on the floor. Going to Nick Young, a guy who has looked flat out awful this season at both ends, would have been a ridiculous decision. As for Stevenson's defense . . . no one guy is going to stop Wade. It requires a team effort, just like the Heat required a team effort to corral Arenas. The Heat got it done, the Wizards didn't.

I'll say the same thing to Arenas I said about Miller: Somebody needs to tell him to stop trying to force feed the ball to Haywood in traffic or tossing it to him with his back to the basket 15 feet from the rim. I know Gilbert was away a long time, but not long enough to confuse Haywood with Tim Duncan. If Haywood has a clean look close to the basket or has a lane behind the defense, then lob it to him. But putting him in a position where he has to make a play by putting the ball on the floor is setting him up to fail.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 4, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Arenas although looking pretty good is still doing too much and making bad decisions at all the wrong times. He's too helter skelter thus far.

Butler? Where are are? More of your two three bad turnovers a game. And, no impact on the game whatsoever although his play on the baseline was the KEY blown call of the game in an otherwise evenly called game (bad calls even both ways). Clearly a foul. Who do you want on the line with the game tied Butler or Stevenson? Of course, it was Wade who committed the foul so it wasn't a foul.

And, my first problems with FS substitutions. First, Miller should have never reentered the game. But, Miller showed me more toughness this game than Butler ever has. Second, if there was ever a game where you might throw NY in there to see if his offense is on this would have been it. This team struggled the whole game offensively with Arenas not shooting well, Butler missing in action, and everyone else doing little to nothing consistently with the exception of Haywood. Sigh! Third, I might have tried McGuire on Wade to see if that would work. I think he is every bit the defender DS is and can't be worse offensively at this point. Plus, he has hops to better challenge Wade's pull ups. If these experiments don't work, then pull them out of the game after a few minutes. Don't see how that would have hurt our chances considering there was no flow to the game whatsoever anyway.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 4, 2009 10:19 PM


Lots of great points there. Miller should not have been allowed to return, DMac should have had a shot at Wade.
I will continue to say it after each frustrating game: this team will be at its best when Gilbert gets 9-10 assists per game. He has the talent to do it. Does he have the will? We know he can score. Can, no WILL he make others better? I know he can. His assist stat will be the mosts important stat all season. So believe me, I will continue to harp on it until proven wrong.

That said, I think at full strength we can beat this team. But the Hawks? They really look talented. When they play together they are going to be a tough out.

BmoreRev

Posted by: stanlong23 | November 4, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Well....Les BouleS lost a game tonight that I expected them to lose. The game shouldn't have even been close not only b/c of the big lead, but also b/c the Heat couldn't finish easy shots. JO was awful.

It seemed that the Heat did everything they possibly could to get everyone involved, and there was some of that with Les BouleS, but only when Gilby wasn't in the game.

That's why Gilby ended up with 3 assists. Even though he scored 32 points, he shot 33%, and 25% from 3.

Everytime Gilby was in the game, it seemed that he was the only one who could get a bucket. There was no flow.

When he was out of the game, there was some nice passing (eg. Eminem to AB for the dunk).

Les BouleS perimeter defense was awful with the Heat shooting 58% from 3. Don't think that MeShawn did an excellent job on DWade b/c at the end of the game, DWade was looking more to slice and pass vice shoot. He shot when it counted. DWade shot 54% from the field.

JaTravel with his 8 min had zero impact. BTH had a nice game with 16-11.

As I noted before, Gilby usually scores a lot when the opposing team's PG's aren't scoring threats in the game. Both Arroyo and Chalmers ended up with 5 pts and 8 assists combined.

If you look at the stats, Les BouleS win in almost every stat category except for points.

Les BouleS had 18 to 25 personal foul advantage, and 28 to 19 FT advantage. Led in rebs, steals, and fewer TO's. Heat had more assists, b/c they played more of a team game.

Oh well.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=291104027

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 4, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

"Now, all of a sudden, we BADLY need Jamison."

It's only "all of a sudden" to the people who were foolish enough to think we didn't need him in the first place.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 4, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Oleksiy Pecherov went off for 24 points and 8 rebounds tonight.

Posted by: isnadd | November 4, 2009 10:39 PM |

Again, seems like somebody is just letting him go play. Something they kept him from doing here.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 4, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Roy Hibbert with 15 & 14? Say it ain't so.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=291104018

Yes, OPech got his numbers, and he started too...against KG, probably the best low post defender now!

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=291104016

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 4, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Good for Pech! He's on a team where he can get the minutes to develop into the player he can be. NY may be on that same path.

Blatche has not been inconsistent. He played a good game once again. His numbers may not jump out at you this game, but he is playing defense - had a nice block at an important point in the game, and is not making boneheaded plays. In other words, he has not been a liability on the court whatsoever at any point thus far. If he is not scoring, he is at least trying to do all the other little things to impact the game. Something that NY needs to learn.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 4, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

How do Les BouleS suddenly need MeTawn when MeTawn wouldn't have been able to stop DWade or anyone else either.

MeTawn will always get his numbers, win or lose....that you can count on.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 4, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

"Now, all of a sudden, we BADLY need Jamison."

It's only "all of a sudden" to the people who were foolish enough to think we didn't need him in the first place.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 4, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse
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You are right, Jamison is needed, however, Miami is a mediocre team that we should have taken care of at home if we are to have a deep playoff run, even without Jamison.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 4, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

C'mon dude. You that much of a dunce.

First, Jamison would not guard Wade.

Second, Jamison would have probably put us over the top and given us the win this game with his offense and/or drawing some attention away from Arenas.

Notice the last two games when Arenas comes down the court he has two defenders standing there waiting for him, which shows the other team is not worried about Oberto or Stevenson or much of anybody else thus far. Again, Butler, where are you?

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 4, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Good for Pech! He's on a team where he can get the minutes to develop into the player he can be. NY may be on that same path.

Blatche has not been inconsistent. He played a good game once again. His numbers may not jump out at you this game, but he is playing defense - had a nice block at an important point in the game, and is not making boneheaded plays. In other words, he has not been a liability on the court whatsoever at any point thus far. If he is not scoring, he is at least trying to do all the other little things to impact the game. Something that NY needs to learn.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 4, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

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Do you have a crush on NY???
This guy does not belong on the D-League, let alone on a team that's supposedly trying to contend.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 4, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

"C'mon dude. You that much of a dunce.

First, Jamison would not guard Wade.

Second, Jamison would have probably put us over the top and given us the win this game with his offense and/or drawing some attention away from Arenas.

Notice the last two games when Arenas comes down the court he has two defenders standing there waiting for him, which shows the other team is not worried about Oberto or Stevenson or much of anybody else thus far. Again, Butler, where are you?

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 4, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse "

You be the dunce.

Having MeTawn in the game who wouldn't and couldn't stop DWade anyway...there would not have been a different ending to that story.

We've seen....what was it...a 16 game Heat winning streak against Les BouleS not long ago with MeTawn healthy. How easily you forget.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 4, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't like the fact that McGee was benched for his foolish drive to the basket. He may have been able to block a few of Wades shots, or throw a few hard fouls at least. I would have liked to see McGuire try and cover Wade too. We are seeing waaay too much DSteve. He can't make a shot to save his life.

Posted by: wiz_fan | November 4, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

AJ would have made a difference. It is not whom AJ would have stopped, but rather, if stopping him might have posed a problem for the Heat.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 4, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

"I don't like the fact that McGee was benched for his foolish drive to the basket. He may have been able to block a few of Wades shots, or throw a few hard fouls at least. I would have liked to see McGuire try and cover Wade too. We are seeing waaay too much DSteve. He can't make a shot to save his life.

Posted by: wiz_fan | November 4, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse "

So how do you reward "foolishness?" More PT?

Surely you jest.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 4, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

"AJ would have made a difference. It is not whom AJ would have stopped, but rather, if stopping him might have posed a problem for the Heat.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 4, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse "

Maybe for Fantasy League basketball, but not reality basketball.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 4, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Just bc a marginal talent or even a talented player who is not getting it done go to a different/bad team and prosper on occasion with more minutes, means little to nothing. As in, it does not mean we made a bad decision whatsoever. It just is.

Ironically, some people that declared the Pech pick as being a terrible pick might now want to declare moving Pech as a mistake. It's the viewing the Wiz through a negative prism disease.

For the record, I never said anything about us not missing Jamison. I just thought we would be much better offensively with our depth than we have been thus far. At least consistently. Arenas is getting too much attention thus far from the other team's defense with nobody else scaring the opponent offensively. It's like last season, when everybody is in their intended roles everyone prospers. When players are forced into roles which they are neither intended or suited, it can be hit or miss. I think we are seeing that reflected in our play.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 4, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

What part of the fact that Jamison would not or has not ever guarded Wade are you missing??? In case you haven't heard, Jamison plays PF and Wade plays SG/SF. You are arguing just to argue apparently. In a 4 pt game, if you don't think 20 and 10 would make a difference, there is no hope for you. Then again, I never thought there was.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 4, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

"Just bc a marginal talent or even a talented player who is not getting it done go to a different/bad team and prosper on occasion with more minutes, means little to nothing. As in, it does not mean we made a bad decision whatsoever. It just is.

Ironically, some people that declared the Pech pick as being a terrible pick might now want to declare moving Pech as a mistake. It's the viewing the Wiz through a negative prism disease.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 4, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse "

You don't want to go down that road.

A player stagnant on Les BouleS who suddenly gets a new opportunity with another team and not only survives, but thrives, shouldn't be new news. It's happened all too often.

Given that, let's see what OPech can deliver over the course of the season and from there, if OPech shines, we can all start trashing EG again for what a sorry GM he is.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 4, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

FS's decision to bench McGee after a completely knucklehead play was absolutely the right decision. He was having no impact on the game anyway. See above for the things FS might have tried that he did not. This was not one of them.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 4, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

"AJ would have made a difference"

Agreed.


I would like to see this lineup:

Arenas/Foye
Miller/Critt
Jamison/McGuire
Blatche/Butler
Haywood/McGee

Posted by: wiz_fan | November 4, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

@DCMANN,

Again, you are clueless. Apparently you don't know the difference between a marginal talent and someone like the Wallace's. And, EG had nothing to do with the latter.

If Pech prospers elswhere it means he finally got to the right place at the right time, and I'll feel good for him. He seemed like a good kid.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 4, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Fast Healer ain't healing so fast is he?

The main concern right now is with Eminem and what is up with his sprained shoulder. He's the main scrapper on the team so far and this team will miss his passing and hustle if he's out for an extended period.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 4, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

"@DCMANN,

Again, you are clueless. Apparently you don't know the difference between a marginal talent and someone like the Wallace's. And, EG had nothing to do with the latter.

If Pech prospers elswhere it means he finally got to the right place at the right time, and I'll feel good for him. He seemed like a good kid.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 4, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse "

Sorry fool, it's the history of the franchise, be it EG, Unfeld, MJ, Nash, or whomever. EG would just be the latest chump to succumb to the curse.

Remember, EG was hedging that this season would be injury free. Not a very auspicious start so far.

BTW, it was great to see the game on ESPN, rather than the D-league broadcast team of Bucky and Phil. The only thing I miss was probably hearing Bucky scream Dagger when DWade hit the J.

The ESPN team did remark about Gilby's extended stay on the bench near the latter part of the 4th quarter. If he's healthy, let him play. Gilby did take a bad spill during the game.

Gilby seems to have regained his quickness, but a lot of the layups he made tonight while driving to the hole would have been dunks by him prior to his knee issues. I don't think he has that elevation anymore, and he freely admits that after knee surgery, nomatter how hard you train, you'll never be 100%.

I'm liking the new Gilby more...the one who shuts up and plays. It's still the peanut gallery who still are waiting for him to return to his Agent Zero self. Leave dude alone and let him play. Get over his past BS.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 4, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Do you have a crush on NY???
This guy does not belong on the D-League, let alone on a team that's supposedly trying to contend.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 4, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse
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Show me where I said anything about having a crush on NY? Far from it. I completely agree with FS that he should not be in the rotation. That being said, on a night when we are struggling to score with Miller injured, Butler struggling, etc..., it might have been worth a shot to see if NY's offense was working tonight. For all he doesn't do, NY is a scorer and a shooter. He could have easily entered the game and made 3/4/5 shots in a row that would have made all the difference in the world. Again, if he comes in and doesn't have it and is doing little else then you pull him after a few minutes. Very simple. Not like he would have upset the flow bc there was none and everyone else was missing too.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 4, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

The ESPN team did remark about Gilby's extended stay on the bench near the latter part of the 4th quarter. If he's healthy, let him play. Gilby did take a bad spill during the game.
_____

Yeah, they did. MJ commented that he understood FS keeping him on the bench bc it's a long season, past knee issues, etc.... Basically, FS is pacing GA, which is what many on here have been screaming for the past few seasons for the big 3. And, we lost no ground while he rested. Guess you didn't here that part conveniently.

For once, I will agree with you that the production on ESPN is 20 times better.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 4, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

"Show me where I said anything about having a crush on NY? Far from it. I completely agree with FS that he should not be in the rotation. That being said, on a night when we are struggling to score with Miller injured, Butler struggling, etc..., it might have been worth a shot to see if NY's offense was working tonight. For all he doesn't do, NY is a scorer and a shooter. He could have easily entered the game and made 3/4/5 shots in a row that would have made all the difference in the world. Again, if he comes in and doesn't have it and is doing little else then you pull him after a few minutes. Very simple. Not like he would have upset the flow bc there was none and everyone else was missing too.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 4, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse "

Stop making excuses.

How is the team struggling to score?

Caron shot almost 50% and had 13 and 10.

MM when he was in the game wasn't looking to shoot anyway. He was looking to run the offense and hustle.

Stop making stuff up.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 4, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Tried to post unaccepted...maybe too long. Try to post in two parts:

Part 1 -

So...just returned from the game. Was able to see the entire floor and feel I have a very good sense for the issues, at least as related to tonight's effort...or lack thereof.

1st quarter, Wiz were sleepwalking, shaking off last night's game, bad flight or whatever. Serious nose dive after Miller went out early with two fouls. Caron has back to back unforced errors resulting in turnovers, the kind I would expect to see in children's game where they really are still learning positions and how to move the ball around. Lots of tributes to John Woo, or going way back Sam Peckinpah. Actually kind of hard to believe I was watching a Professional Basketball game at that point.

2nd quarter...some signs of life with Gil starting to warm up, frustrating watching him miss so many free throws. Haywood also plays well in the period. Clear that Oneal cannot guard him, and has little appetite to even try. Stevenson misses two wide open threes, gut starts churning.

3rd quarter...bring on the pain. Haywood scores 6 consecutive points and then does not see the ball again for a solid 10 min. Not one look, he establishes position for the first 3 or 4 times down after this series and nobody and I mean nobody gives a thought to throwing it inside. Gil starts getting crazy and jacking like days of old. Stevenson is on the court a lot...guessing to try and stay with Wade, very painful to watch Stevenson as he has terrible court sense. He can stay in front of someone but has no sense of anything else going on around him and is completely lost on offense.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | November 4, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Part 2 -


4th quarter...back and forth. Miller does his tough guy stuff but then needs to go out...could not believe they did not call a time out to get him out of the game as the shoulder was completely dead. Best play of the night was his assist before exit. Still more of Stevenson...stomach really talking now. Gil plays with blinders on the rest of the 4th, seemingly expects Heat to be discouraged after he hits a 3 around 4 or 5 min mark....Uh no. Gil begins to drive recklessly, expecting to get superstar call every time...refs don't bite.

Takeaways:
1. Haywood could have contributed significantly more if Saunders had recognized the mismatch and called plays for him. Of course maybe he did and Gil pretended not to hear him.

2. Stevenson was a tremendous liability on the offensive end...we played 4 on 5 when he was in. On defense he stayed with Wade alright but was still torched for 40, not worth it. Why was Foye not given opportunity in the 2nd half? Even if that means Wade goes for 50 at least there would be some balance at the other end and Wade would have to at least think about where Foye would have been on the court. No such consideration needed with Stevenson on court.

3. Gil looks very good physically, moving very well. Absolutely dreadful floor leadership though.

This team has the pieces but unless Gil and Saunders do a better job of letting others contribute, particularly Haywood this evening, we will not see that potential realized.

Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | November 4, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah, they did. MJ commented that he understood FS keeping him on the bench bc it's a long season, past knee issues, etc.... Basically, FS is pacing GA, which is what many on here have been screaming for the past few seasons for the big 3. And, we lost no ground while he rested. Guess you didn't here that part conveniently.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 4, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

When the game is close, you don't keep your max money player on the bench during a home game against a division rival.

WRT to your silly "didn't lose any ground" statement, that's a testament to the fact that the team can still easily be competitive without Gilby in there, esp with BTH healthy.

As I stated before, the movement of the ball was really good while Gilby was out. Once he entered the game, he took almost every shot with a one on one move.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 4, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Wiz will be fine. As bad as thye played, they were right there at the end. Caron not exerting himself which leaves Gil no choice but to shoot. Caron passed up a bunch of shots tonight and then missed the free thrown down the stretch. Then DeShawn "Why is he still playing?" Stevenson bricked 2 foul shots with 44 seconds left. Miller out now. Looks like the same injury as Jamison. Miller was having a nice 4th quarter playing with one arm. Too bad we lost him when we did. I do think that Gil is getting in the paint at will but needs to kick it out to his shooters sometime instead of trying to get the foul.

Posted by: ptp23 | November 4, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

I noted it before and I'll note it again:

Although Gilby had 32 pts, he shot 33% from the field and 25% from the 3 pt. line. With that he had 3 assists.

I think Les BouleS could have tied it up when Gilby drove to the basket and tried a little cute pass to BTH, but the pass hit the rim as BTH jumped to receive it. Game over.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 4, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

"Wiz will be fine. As bad as thye played, they were right there at the end. Caron not exerting himself which leaves Gil no choice but to shoot. Caron passed up a bunch of shots tonight and then missed the free thrown down the stretch. Then DeShawn "Why is he still playing?" Stevenson bricked 2 foul shots with 44 seconds left. Miller out now. Looks like the same injury as Jamison. Miller was having a nice 4th quarter playing with one arm. Too bad we lost him when we did. I do think that Gil is getting in the paint at will but needs to kick it out to his shooters sometime instead of trying to get the foul.

Posted by: ptp23 | November 4, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse "

Let's not make excuses.

I actually thought Les BouleS played pretty well, but just plain lost to a better team that was more clutch.

If you look at the stats, Les BouleS led in almost every category except for assists, and most importantly, points.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 4, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

And, the refs called more fouls on the Heat: 25 to 18

and,

Les BouleS had more trips to the FT line:
28 to 19.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 5, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: ptp23 | November 4, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse "

Let's not make excuses.

I actually thought Les BouleS played pretty well, but just plain lost to a better team that was more clutch.

If you look at the stats, Les BouleS led in almost every category except for assists, and most importantly, points.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 4, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Excuses? Missing free throws down the stretch is a fact. Getting down by 19 in the first quarter is not playing well.

Posted by: ptp23 | November 5, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, you're such a goofball. We shot 37% as a team and scored 89 points. Sure, we didn't struggle offensively. And, our supposedly second best player scored 13 points - Yippee!

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 5, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

@DCMAN,

Done arguing with fools. As soon as I make a point, you purposefully change topics bc you have no real arguments or at least not any you can back up. Nice try though! Just don't join a debate team.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 5, 2009 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Larry,

Of course it would take a Tar Heel fan to understand what this team needs to get over the top is a true point guard.

Gil had 3 ast's and 3 to's and if you look at the games the Wizards have lost he just can't get it done as a point guard. Your point guard can’t have less assists than TO’s and win.

People on here give me grief because I speak the truth, know the game of basketball and keep it real. The Wizards made a trade for players they already have…Gil and Foye are the same type of players and Miller is a 3 not a 2? Don’t they have a guy named Butler who plays that position? The most important part of that trade was getting rid of their first round pick!

With Foye and Gil in the game Wade did whatever he wanted, can you imagine what Kobe will do to these two guys? But the consensus on here is the Wizards can win with Foye and Gil in the backcourt together.

Good Luck and if they win I will say I was wrong, but if they lose in the first round and have a fire sale to stay under the cap next year I expect nothing from all of you. Knowing I was right about Abe is enough satisfaction for me.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 5, 2009 1:18 AM | Report abuse

"Wiz will be fine. As bad as thye played, they were right there at the end. Caron not exerting himself which leaves Gil no choice but to shoot. Caron passed up a bunch of shots tonight and then missed the free thrown down the stretch. Then DeShawn "Why is he still playing?" Stevenson bricked 2 foul shots with 44 seconds left. Miller out now. Looks like the same injury as Jamison. Miller was having a nice 4th quarter playing with one arm. Too bad we lost him when we did. I do think that Gil is getting in the paint at will but needs to kick it out to his shooters sometime instead of trying to get the foul.
Posted by: ptp23 | November 4, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse "
Let's not make excuses.
I actually thought Les BouleS played pretty well, but just plain lost to a better team that was more clutch.
If you look at the stats, Les BouleS led in almost every category except for assists, and most importantly, points.
Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 4, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse
The players and coach just backed up my analysis I said after the game.

"Flip Saunders thought the final minute of the game wasn't as important as the first nine minutes, when the Washington Wizards sleepwalked, turned into spectators to the Dwyane Wade show and found themselves down by 19 points. But even after that miserable start, the Wizards were in position to beat the Heat. Instead, they beat themselves.

Even with his damaged arm, Miller made another brilliant play when he zipped a pass to Andray Blatche for a dunk that tied the game at 73.
"I thought he played pretty good with one arm," Saunders joked afterward.
Until Miller and Jamison return, the Wizards face a more daunting task because Arenas and Butler don't appear to be on the same page offensively. Butler had 13 points and 10 rebounds but it was really a subpar performance that frustrated him and Arenas.
After the game, Butler said, "I know my role, it's just obviously you just adapting to the new situation and having guys back and just got to stay aggressive and always be aware, stay aggressive, don't get caught watching the show."

I mean, he has to shoot the open shot. You know, Caron's a rhythm player, so in the old system he had enough time to get into his 'mojo' and shoot those shots. In this system, you have to get a lot of catch and shoots, so the first initial shot he has he doesn't usually take it and then everything just closes up from there. He's just got to get used to catching and shooting."

Posted by: ptp23 | November 5, 2009 7:50 AM | Report abuse

"@DCMAN,

Done arguing with fools. As soon as I make a point, you purposefully change topics bc you have no real arguments or at least not any you can back up. Nice try though! Just don't join a debate team.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 5, 2009 12:51 AM | Report abuse "

You clearly should take some of your own advice.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 5, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

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