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Heat 93, Wizards 89


Flip Saunders thought the final minute of the game wasn't as important as the first nine minutes, when the Washington Wizards sleepwalked, turned into spectators to the Dwyane Wade show and found themselves down by 19 points. But even after that miserable start, the Wizards were in position to beat the Heat. Instead, they beat themselves.

The final 90 seconds almost made the valiant comeback unnecessary, because it basically turned what could've been a more acceptable blowout loss on the second end of back-to-back games into an excruciatingly painful loss. After Gilbert Arenas dribbled down the clock, drove left around Heat point guard Mario Chalmers and made a difficult, hanging layup over Jermaine O'Neal, the Wizards led 89-87. The Heat responded with an O'Neal jumper to tie the game and it started to unravel for the Wizards from there.

Wade blocked Caron Butler's drive to the basket, and when Butler appeared to make amends -- he forced a turnover by deflecting Wade's pass -- DeShawn Stevenson grabbed the ball, drove the length of the court, got fouled and missed both free throws. Wade, doing what superstars are supposed to do, took advantage of the mishap and buried a jumper in Stevenson's grille.

It finally was Arenas's turn and it was obvious that it has been more than two years since he was placed in a position to win a game on his cartoonish shoulders. Where there once was calm, Arenas (32 points) appeared frazzled and it led to some sloppy, almost gruesome results. First, he drove into the lane and the ball squirted from his hands before he could draw a foul on O'Neal. Then, after Wade (40 points) made one of two free throws, Arenas had the ball in his hands with a chance to tie the game.

The man who thrilled the Verizon Center with his fearless, late-game shots, decided it was best that he pass -- to Brendan Haywood; to the bemusement of everyone in the arena. Arenas threw a lob that hit the rim and bounced out of the reach of Haywood. Asked about the play afterward, Arenas said, "Obviously it hit the rim. That's it. I mean, it's not rocket scientist."

Rocket scientist? Yep. It was that kind of night. Even the words came out wrong.

You knew this wasn't going to be easy this month. The schedule was unkind from the beginning, and the injury bug continues to be unmerciful to the local five. Already playing without Antawn Jamison, the Wizards had to play the second half of a loss against Atlanta without Butler. And, part of the reason that the Wizards didn't attempt a late three-pointer when they were down by three is because their best three-point shooter was in the locker room, receiving treatment for a left shoulder injury.

Mike Miller will be gone for at least the next seven to 10 days after spraining his left shoulder late in the third period. He came back into the game and played well until he aggravated the injury on a drive that end with him finishing with his left hand and landing on his left shoulder after bringing the Wizards within two points. Even with his damaged arm, Miller made another brilliant play when he zipped a pass to Andray Blatche for a dunk that tied the game at 73.

"I thought he played pretty good with one arm," Saunders joked afterward.

Until Miller and Jamison return, the Wizards face a more daunting task because Arenas and Butler don't appear to be on the same page offensively. Butler had 13 points and 10 rebounds but it was really a subpar performance that frustrated him and Arenas.

After the game, Butler said, "I know my role, it's just obviously you just adapting to the new situation and having guys back and just got to stay aggressive and always be aware, stay aggressive, don't get caught watching the show."

Arenas, who shot 9 of 27, said, "I mean, he has to shoot the open shot. You know, Caron's a rhythm player, so in the old system he had enough time to get into his 'mojo' and shoot those shots. In this system, you have to get a lot of catch and shoots, so the first initial shot he has he doesn't usually take it and then everything just closes up from there. He's just got to get used to catching and shooting."

By Michael Lee  |  November 5, 2009; 12:39 AM ET
 
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Tried to post this whole but it was unaccepted...maybe too long. Will try to post in two parts:

Part 1 -

So...just returned from the game. Was able to see the entire floor and feel I have a very good sense for the issues, at least as related to tonight's effort...or lack thereof.

1st quarter, Wiz were sleepwalking, shaking off last night's game, bad flight or whatever. Serious nose dive after Miller went out early with two fouls. Caron has back to back unforced errors resulting in turnovers, the kind I would expect to see in children's game where they really are still learning positions and how to move the ball around. Lots of tributes to John Woo, or going way back Sam Peckinpah. Actually kind of hard to believe I was watching a Professional Basketball game at that point.

2nd quarter...some signs of life with Gil starting to warm up, frustrating watching him miss so many free throws. Haywood also plays well in the period. Clear that Oneal cannot guard him, and has little appetite to even try. Stevenson misses two wide open threes, gut starts churning.

3rd quarter...bring on the pain. Haywood scores 6 consecutive points and then does not see the ball again for a solid 10 min. Not one look, he establishes position for the first 3 or 4 times down after this series and nobody and I mean nobody gives a thought to throwing it inside. Gil starts getting crazy and jacking like days of old. Stevenson is on the court a lot...guessing to try and stay with Wade, very painful to watch Stevenson as he has terrible court sense. He can stay in front of someone but has no sense of anything else going on around him and is completely lost on offense.


Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | November 5, 2009 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Part 2 -


4th quarter...back and forth. Miller does his tough guy stuff but then needs to go out...could not believe they did not call a time out to get him out of the game as the shoulder was completely dead. Best play of the night was his assist before exit. Still more of Stevenson...stomach really talking now. Gil plays with blinders on the rest of the 4th, seemingly expects Heat to be discouraged after he hits a 3 around 4 or 5 min mark....Uh no. Gil begins to drive recklessly, expecting to get superstar call every time...refs don't bite.

Takeaways:
1. Haywood could have contributed significantly more if Saunders had recognized the mismatch and called plays for him. Of course maybe he did and Gil pretended not to hear him.

2. Stevenson was a tremendous liability on the offensive end...we played 4 on 5 when he was in. On defense he stayed with Wade alright but was still torched for 40, not worth it. Why was Foye not given opportunity in the 2nd half? Even if that means Wade goes for 50 at least there would be some balance at the other end and Wade would have to at least think about where Foye would have been on the court. No such consideration needed with Stevenson on court.

3. Gil looks very good physically, moving very well. Absolutely dreadful floor leadership though.

This team has the pieces but unless Gil and Saunders do a better job of letting others contribute, particularly Haywood this evening, we will not see that potential realized.


Posted by: The_Shadow_Knows | November 5, 2009 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Anytime that you have Stevenson playing major minutes (23 tonight), they will lose. If you add up all of the minutes that he has played this year compared with his production, anyone can tell that he is a waste of time. He played 23 minutes tonight and gave the team nothing while McGuire did not play at all. He should never play ahead of McGuire, as long as he plays major minutes, the Bullets will never win. They lost tonight by a few points and his 23 minutes could have been used on McGuire or even Young. What they see in Stevenson is beyond me, 23 minutes and you get nothing and he is slated as a shooting guard, you have to be kidding me.

Posted by: ellis125 | November 5, 2009 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Anytime that you have Stevenson playing major minutes (23 tonight), they will lose. If you add up all of the minutes that he has played this year compared with his production, anyone can tell that he is a waste of time. He played 23 minutes tonight and gave the team nothing while McGuire did not play at all. He should never play ahead of McGuire, as long as he plays major minutes, the Bullets will never win. They lost tonight by a few points and his 23 minutes could have been used on McGuire or even Young. What they see in Stevenson is beyond me, 23 minutes and you get nothing and he is slated as a shooting guard, you have to be kidding me.

Posted by: ellis125 | November 5, 2009 12:53 AM

I was thinking that, too, but then I looked down at his +/- and it was +7 (at that part of the game). Foye's was in the negative- but still I agree with you- I was praying from afar that Saunders put Foye in- we needed an extra umph offensively and Foye is Mr. 4th qtr., it seems! But, all's I'm saying is Deshawn must've been doing something right.

Posted by: jistutz | November 5, 2009 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Larry,

Of course it would take a Tar Heel fan to understand what this team needs to get over the top is a true point guard.

Gil had 3 ast's and 3 to's and if you look at the games the Wizards have lost he just can't get it done as a point guard. Your point guard can’t have less assists than TO’s and win.

People on here give me grief because I speak the truth, know the game of basketball and keep it real. The Wizards made a trade for players they already have…Gil and Foye are the same type of players and Miller is a 3 not a 2? Don’t they have a guy named Butler who plays that position? The most important part of that trade was getting rid of their first round pick!

With Foye and Gil in the game Wade did whatever he wanted, can you imagine what Kobe will do to these two guys? But the consensus on here is the Wizards can win with Foye and Gil in the backcourt together.

Good Luck and if they win I will say I was wrong, but if they lose in the first round and have a fire sale to stay under the cap next year I expect nothing from all of you. Knowing I was right about Abe is enough satisfaction for me.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 5, 2009 1:30 AM | Report abuse

You guys need to relax on DS. He's doing all the little things but scoring right now. That may or may not come back to him, but for now he does bring something to the table. It's just more obvious when the offense as a whole is struggling. Get the offense going and Jamison back, it's a different ballgame.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 5, 2009 1:43 AM | Report abuse

When I watched Wade back Foye down it reminded me of the way Shaq backed down our big guys all night long.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 5, 2009 1:44 AM | Report abuse

There are "levels" of stars in the nba...level one is kobe and lebron (garnett and duncan are consistent legends)...count them as SUPER...level two dwayne wade and dwight howard...count them as great...and then you have the guys who are considered to be knocking on the door...arenas, chris paul, carmelo, etc; i personally do not believe arenas is a superstar in this league...remeber he is a second round draft choice and even at his peak he came up short when it mattered...he is a very good player but you must be able to do it mentally as well as physically and that is where arenas has fallen short...i am not making the statement that gil is not intelligent...i am saying that when it comes to playing basketball and seeing the entire perspective facing you in "championship" moments gil has fallen short consistently...he also makes to many excuses to be taking serious as a leader...i know gil supporters will see this and label it "hating"...but i retort...look at the history of gil and watch the future...and you will begin to understand that unless gil begins to allow his teammates to grow/help him then he will continue to have that "lost" expression on face at the end of games...

Posted by: ronniecope106 | November 5, 2009 1:49 AM | Report abuse

Mike Miller will be gone for at least the next seven to 10 days after spraining his left shoulder late in the third period. He came back into the game (why...what the F@(& were you they thinking) and played well until he aggravated the injury on a drive that end with him finishing with his left hand and landing on his left shoulder (are you kidding me) after bringing the Wizards within two points.

If they would have won, would it been worth more than losing a player for 10 days?

The great Wizard medical staff on top of things the way FEMA and Brownie were on top of Hurricane Katrina? Before everyone gets upset…all I meant is they both seem to be incompetent.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 5, 2009 1:55 AM | Report abuse

...what was flip thinking?? is it that important to him to win a game in early nov...that he risk an important player (miller) to long term injury?? i thought flip was suppose to be basketball savvy...you have a full compliment of players sitting on the bench collecting pretty good salaries to basically occupy very expensive seats in a down economy (go figure)...the wizards remind me of the redskins in this one ominous fact...the redskins did not address the offensive line in the off season and ernie grunfeld did not adequately address the lack of quality in the frontcourt...stay tuned wiz fans...this is probably going to get sticky icky.....

Posted by: ronniecope106 | November 5, 2009 2:21 AM | Report abuse

After the game, Butler said, "I know my role, it's just obviously you just adapting to the new situation and having guys back and just got to stay aggressive and always be aware, stay aggressive, don't get caught watching (Arenas, shoot 9 of 27) the show."

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 5, 2009 2:27 AM | Report abuse

Hey Michael,

"Wade blocked Caron Butler's drive to the basket, and when Butler appeared to make amends -- he forced a turnover by deflecting Wade's pass -- DeShawn Stevenson grabbed the ball, drove the length of the court, got fouled and missed both free throws. Wade, doing what superstars are supposed to do, took advantage of the mishap and buried a jumper in Stevenson's grille."

Micheal, did you watch the game? That block was an obvious foul as was pointed out by ESPN, MJ, and the replay. He clearly got all forearm. Wasn't even close to the ball. Kind of hard to flush it when someone (Wade) is allowed to whack you across the arm. Think Wade would have gotten that call???

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 5, 2009 3:01 AM | Report abuse

wade fouled butler, fine we got a wrong basket by oberto that is a trade, wade block that ball well.
Ithink arenas need to be controlled.Atleast we need 6 assists a game.
Why butler and blache where not given more chance? BH should be used more specialy on the days like last night where he shoot over 80% from charity line.
Where is the defense?
I am 100% sure that NY could do the same as DS on wade and gave us better offensively. if you have a problem of shooting you have to try all weapons.
I think NY is told not to dribble the ball and he has a hard time to find a rhythm. I belive he need to minimize it but the action is taking every thing out him.
I would like to see him to be agressive and take the ball to the court, teach him shoot selection, work him hard on defense and give him minutes.I think it is too early for flip to settle to 8-9 man rotation. DM should have been inserted to work on wade.

Posted by: gtefferra | November 5, 2009 6:10 AM | Report abuse

@gtferra,

Not sure where to begin in your ramblings, but I don't equate last min calls of a game with whatever bad calls from earlier. Like I said, overall it was an evenly called game with good/bad calls both ways. We just happened to get the short end of the stick on one of the more important calls at home. That puts us up two most likely with 1+ mins left. Instead, they eventually got the two point lead and won. Speaking of which, what happened to Arenas at the foul line?

Second, to think NY could do as well as DS or virtually anybody guarding Wade is ridiculous. And, you think they are not trying to teach him the things that you list? McGuire might have been the best option to try, not NY.

Third, as stated above, it appears some players are passing up shots they are supposed to take bc they are still getting used to the system and that is part of the reason the offense is bogging down apparently. I found that to be a very interesting point and looking back it makes a lot of sense.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 5, 2009 7:22 AM | Report abuse

@ronniescope,

I have yet to see GA in a "championship" moment bc his team has never made it and never been good enough to do so through no fault of his own. Before injury he was making a case for himself to be on the exact same "level" as a Wade and is climbing his way back to that level now. Also, don't get your point about him making excuses. What excuses? When?

@"bulletsfan"

Ummm...on record as saying I did not like reinserting Miller in the game. But, there is no evidence that his playing again was the reason he is out a week or so. I think FS was told he could go back in and FS was thinking he needed his offense.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 5, 2009 7:31 AM | Report abuse

I watched the game on TV. Flip told Arenas to increase the "pace", so perhaps this is why gil started shooting more than looking for haywood.

Mike Miller never should have come back into the game, so completely obvious that his shoulder was hurting the entire time even before he tweaked it again. I seriously question who is responsible for that.

No one on wiz could guard wade. I wonder how Dominic would have done? Guess we'll never know.

That bad pass at the end IMO was just rust, it's been a couple years since Gil's really played so we gotta cut him slack.

Caron needs to start blending into the offense better and picking his spots. Caron in past years needs to do a little dribbling around to get into rhythm before shooting. Perhaps this offense is geared more towards getting the ball to people in transition rather than isolation plays that Caron typically excels at.

I don't know what to think about Dashwan. When he's not hitting his shot he has zero offense. He puts forth the effort on D but is unable to guard the elite guys, but so are most players!

The last few years the Wiz had a bad habbit of coming out slow and it never seemed to be dealt with. Flip in his first week of the regular season has already identified and is trying to do something about this which I think is something to be excited about.

It's a long season, lets hope things start gellin sooner than later.

Posted by: rock77music | November 5, 2009 7:48 AM | Report abuse

It's kind of funny saying that trading for Foye and Miller. When we don't have a backup PG and Butler has already missed a game. I wonder what two players filled in at those positions. Hmmmm...surely couldn't be the two people we traded for! Unless you were happy with DeShawn and Juan Dixon and Mike James playing PG.

Stevenson played good defense on Wade. Anyone who played basketball knows great offense beats great defense. Wade is one of the top 3 players on the planet. Example the end of the game, Wade didn't get to the basket like he wanted and his last bucket was a contested basket with a hand in his face. If you get a slasher like Wade to take contested jumpers, it's the best you can do. Oberto is such a non-factor on offense that we're playing 5 on 4 almost. Can't wait for Jamison to get back.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 5, 2009 7:55 AM | Report abuse

I'm just so sick of asking myself WHY the Wizards would give DeShawn "The Stopper...LMAO" a mid-level salary...he is garbage. No production (as many of you have said)..he should ONLY get garbage minutes AT BEST. I've never heard of a SG shoting avg. in single digits and Stopper of what. Wade had 40...I could have guarded Wade (with some help from the other real defensive (lol) players and given him that. My starting five when Miller is healthy (forget abt position title) is Gil, Foye, Miller, Butler & Haywood, first man off the BENCH is Jamison, Blatche and then maybe Young backing up Foye cause the young buck can shot. Foye taking over for Gil. Oberto taking over for Haywood and sometime McGee. Run that rotation into the dam ground. Stevenson...get rid of him...take a 4th round pick or cash...just get rid of him.

Posted by: cevans1019 | November 5, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

I was at the game. Stevenson played good defense on Wade, but you can't expect anyone to shut Wade down. Several times he was forced into bad shots and Wade just hit them. That's what stars do.

Arenas had yet another bad night. His passes were generally a bit off target. Several times he had guys open and his passes were high which allowed defenders to close before the shot or lead to turnovers. Other times, he made the right pass and guys just didn't hit their open looks. He definitely was more selfish with the ball than he should have been.

Stevenson needs to understand that he's usually the worst choice to shoot when he's on the floor. He had 2 wide open 3s that he missed. Those were painful to watch. I can't blame him for taking them, but he's got to hit those.

Haywood has way more fight in him than he used to have in terms of sticking with plays and finishing around the rim. He may not have the greatest moves for a big man, but he made Jermaine O'Neal look slow and short. His only real mistake last night that I saw was when he got the ball too far from the basket with the shot clock winding down and tried to make a move rather than get rid of the ball.

Foye continues to impress. He was overmatched trying to defend Wade, but he is a decent facilitator and made some shots. Miller will quickly become the fan favorite. He shows heart, not just in getting up after taking hard fouls, but going right back after it. He's got a beautiful shot from the outside, passes well and goes after boards. How the heck Ernie got him, I don't understand.

Caron disappeared last night and I attribute that to him trying to take Wade one on one too often. The heat did a good job neutralizing him and forcing us to basically rely on Arenas who just didn't get the job done last night. Arenas needs to recognize the double team faster and pass out of it quicker.

On a side note.. I sat, yet again, in the midst of a bunch of lousy fans. I'm tired of it. Cheer for your team. It felt like I was in the corporate seats with a bunch of people who are only there because they got free tickets and wouldn't know a hard foul unless it got them from behind.

Posted by: jon_quest | November 5, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

I would admit that Gil took a few jumpers that were not in the flow of the offense, but not all of them. And I don't think anyone can complain about any of his drives to the hoop. I honestly felt that Gil had the biggest mismatch on the floor, no matter who was guarding him.

I had no idea why Miller was in the game the second time. Love everything he brings to the team. You also can't knock the toughness or heart he played with, especially after getting hurt the second time. But he was only playing with one arm. The Heat were daring the Wiz to let Miller score on offense once he got hurt. On one possession Wade was guarding him, and I immediately thought that was their way of giving him a breather while on the floor. Another time Aroyo was guarding him, and that was a way for them to keep him on the floor without being ABUSED by Arenas.

They need to get Butler more involved, no question about that. He also needs to be more assertive in getting the ball. Teams are doubling Arenas at the top with whoever is defending the pick. I'm not a great basketball strategist, but why not have Butler set the pick out there? The either double Arenas and Butler is open or they deal with Arenas in a 1 on 1 situation. Thoughts?

Posted by: kyureosity | November 5, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

One-armed Miller and DeShawn Stevenson over Nick Young?

The handwriting is on the wall:

NICK IS A BUST!

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 5, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

"He's just got to get used to catching and shooting."

I think Arenas hit the nail right on the head. Butler, similar to NY, likes to either bounce the ball or hold the ball before he shoots. He is not a catch-and-shoot, Jamison is better suited for that.

Posted by: sagaliba | November 5, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

If you lose to a mediocre Miami team at home, you won't go far, period!! And, no, playing Miami at home isn't considered a tough schedule!!!!!

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 5, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I didn't have a problem with Stevenson's defense, but was curious as to why the Woz didn't give McGuire a shot at some point in the 3rd quarter to see if he could bother him a bit more. Stevenson's missed foul shots were critical as was the one of two by Caron in the last 3 minutes. The Wizards simply didn't play smart in the last couple of minutes and Arenas was forcing things. The absence of Miller was clearly shown in the 4th quarter by not having another good passer and 3-point shooter on the court. He opens things up for the other players on the court.

I seriously question the Wiz medical staff allowing him back in the game in the 3rd quarter at the risk of seriously injuring his shoulder. He was essentially playing with one arm and the Heat knew it. Again, the Wiz credit medical staff makes another poor decision and we could be without one of our top players for an extended period.

Arenas certainly looked rusty in the 4th quarter, out of control on certain plays, and then making poor decisions in hopes of drawing a foul. He doesn't play the smart game that Wade does within the team's offense.

Posted by: wizfan89 | November 5, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

You guys need to relax on DS. He's doing all the little things but scoring right now. That may or may not come back to him, but for now he does bring something to the table. It's just more obvious when the offense as a whole is struggling. Get the offense going and Jamison back, it's a different ballgame.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 5, 2009 1:43 AM | Report abuse

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Doing all the little things??? Come on rphilli, what did all the little things got you beside 3 terrible losses. It's this mentality of tolerating mediocrity that's the problem with the Wizards and their fans. Do you think San Antonio, Boston and Lakers fans tolerate this and say it's the little things after losing to a mediocre Miami team.
I thought we were supposed to contend with them. Maybe on paper we can, but the negative mentality and tolerance for mediocrity will get us nowhere but an 8th seed and 1st round exit!

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 5, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I am a die hard Wizards fan and obviously like Arenas but he is not at the level that Carmelo or Paul are. He is a good player, if he was at their level, the Wizards would contend.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 5, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I caught the last quarter, just as Miller crashed landed under the basket on his bad arm. The camera caught some close ups and he looked like he was about to pass out at the free throw line. Jamison and now Miller; injuries are a part of the game but the last few years have been ridiculous. McGuire and Young fans are probably going to see them get a chance to break a sweat in the next few games.

The physical questions about Arenas' return seem to be answered for the good, he looks to have regained the moves and speed. The mental aspect of his game was the other factor that some of us questioned and hoped that time and experience would lead him to recalibrate.
The assists he was dishing out two games late last season and this preseason led us to believe that he was doing just that.

Arenas has shown he has the tools to be an assist machine but he has not yet shown that he can take that part of his game and gear it successfully to the scoring machine aspect, perhaps he can't.

It's too early to draw conclusions particularly with Jamison out but it is clear that Wizards have a nice set of players and some depth. It is still true that the Wizards are probably just a first round playoff team unless Gilbert has the capacity to adjust his game to maximize the repertoire of talented players around him. How well he can do this is the unknown that makes this team interesting.

Arenas looks a bit confused at times, in the final minutes last night the pass to Haywood that went off the rim suggests he hasn't quite figured out how he fits with the team; ultimately it lies with him and the other players on the team and with Flip to maximize the promising components.

Posted by: midlevex | November 5, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"AT BEST. I've never heard of a SG shoting avg. in single digits and Stopper of what. Wade had 40..."

Well, DS didn't stop Wade, but he did slow him down. Before DS came in, Wade has scored 11 points in 7 minutes. Miller and Foye picked up 3 fouls together in that span as his primary defender.

Wade played 42.5 minutes total; at 11 points per 7 minutes rate, he would have scored 66 points (and forced 18 fouls on his defenders)!

As Saunders said, the game was lost mainly in the beginning.

Posted by: sagaliba | November 5, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

jon_quest,

Agree with your comment.

"How the heck Ernie got him, I don't understand."

Because Minnesota is in a rebuilding mode. I think it is tougher to understand why they give up Foye than Miller, since Foye is still young.

Posted by: sagaliba | November 5, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I think last night Miller DID play better with one arm. :)

Joke aside, wish him a speedy reovery!

Posted by: sagaliba | November 5, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Mike Miller will be gone for at least the next seven to 10 days after spraining his left shoulder late in the third period. He came back into the game (why...what the F@(& were you they thinking) and played well until he aggravated the injury on a drive that end with him finishing with his left hand and landing on his left shoulder (are you kidding me) after bringing the Wizards within two points.

If they would have won, would it been worth more than losing a player for 10 days?

The great Wizard medical staff on top of things the way FEMA and Brownie were on top of Hurricane Katrina? Before everyone gets upset…all I meant is they both seem to be incompetent.


Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 5, 2009 1:55 AM | Report abuse

___________________________________________I appreciate Flip as much as the other guy but he is also to blame for putting him back into the game. he clearly looked in pain and you don't need a medical staff to tell you he was a hurt.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 5, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Deshawn Stevenson and Fabricio Oberto should NEVER be on the court at the same time, unless there's a blowout. We're basically playing 3 on 5 offensively with that, and neither of them is nearly a good enough defender to warrant that. It happened for a few stretches last night.

That is all.

Posted by: psps23 | November 5, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I was at the game last night and lucked up with floor seats, DSteve didn't even look interested in playing. He missed WIDE open 3's, I started yelling for Nick Young or D McGuire to come in. Foye can ball but he's not a professional on the court. There was a play in which Javale took the ball to the hoop instead on outlet passing to Foye, you saw hiw whinning face and grimace until a foul called.

It would appear these guys get bored on the floor and loose focus, Flip needs to make a roster adjustment...who's going to get PT now?

Posted by: Gooddad | November 5, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

@utilityman,

What? Carmelo and Paul in particular haven't won squat. Is Arenas at their level or close to it when healthy? Probably. Carmelo's pulling away a little.

@midlevex,

The insider I think explains some of what you are talking about - players not taking the shots they should in the new system. I think the kinks are being worked out and we are now down two players. A lot of turmoil already. It's a long season and we'll have to see how they look at the end.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 5, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

For some reason, this team over the last few years has really struggled to close games. Gilbert's heroics covered up the fact that they do not execute well when the pressure is on. The only guy who did that well consistently was Roger Mason.

Posted by: jweber1 | November 5, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

"Anytime that you have Stevenson playing major minutes (23 tonight), they will lose"

Nah. Stevenson wasn't the reason they lost last night. If the Wiz are counting on DeShawn for scoring, they're out of luck. And if you let Miami hang around in the 4th quarter, Wade, like Kobe or LeBron, will probably find a way to beat you.

The Wiz took ten more shots than the Heat and hit four fewer of them. You're not beating many teams when you shoot under 40%. And a hair about 30% on sixteen 3 point attempts.

Miller being out for a while is a chance for Nick Young to show something.

I thought the Wiz did a good job on O'Neal, a dangerous player. Not so good defensively on Quent Richardson.

Let's hope this is a learning experience.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 5, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

What? Carmelo and Paul in particular haven't won squat. Is Arenas at their level or close to it when healthy? Probably. Carmelo's pulling away a little.

@midlevex,

The insider I think explains some of what you are talking about - players not taking the shots they should in the new system. I think the kinks are being worked out and we are now down two players. A lot of turmoil already. It's a long season and we'll have to see how they look at the end.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 5, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

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Sometimes your comments are a joke. Does a player have to have a ring to be better than Arenas. Yes, they haven't won anything but that wasn't the point, the point is that they are better than Arenas and have accomplished more.
And that's not a hit on Arenas whom I like, it's just a fact.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 5, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I'm tired of it. Cheer for your team. It felt like I was in the corporate seats with a bunch of people who are only there because they got free tickets and wouldn't know a hard foul unless it got them from behind.

Posted by: jon_quest | November 5, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Only one problem jon_quest: Wizards have not created any cheers for the team, or if they have them somewhere in the archives, just never bothered to teach the fans what they are. I get tired of the old loudspeaker pre-recorded tape "DEFENSE" and such nonsense.

Posted by: rickgonz | November 5, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Re. Washington cheers. How about hiring some of those drum circle guys from Meridian Hill to get some distinctive beats and some experienced ex-college cheerleaders to create some useful cheers?

Posted by: rickgonz | November 5, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

With Foye and Gil in the game Wade did whatever he wanted, can you imagine what Kobe will do to these two guys? But the consensus on here is the Wizards can win with Foye and Gil in the backcourt together.

Posted by: bulletsfan78

When have the Wizards over the past 5 seasons every stopped Wade? Hasn't happened yet and probably will never happen. If we can get a clone Gary Payton from 1996 then maybe we could. Remember in the 2005 playoffs 2nd round when D Wade was averaging 31 points, 7 rebounds, and 8 assists per game against us? Yeah I was at those games watching a great player sweep us 4-0.

The Wiz will be fine, but we still can't stop Lebron, Kobe, D Wade, Melo or Howard. We have to beat the Celtics, Magic or Cavs on the road during the regular season, if we want to be a serious contender this year.

And to the person who didn't include Wade as your top talent in the NBA, what NBA have you been watching during the last 5 years? Wade, Kobe and Lebron are the top 3 players/certified Hall of Famers. Dwight Howard, Chris Paul & Melo are a notch below them right now, but not by much. Next game at the Pacers tomorrow. Go Wiz!

Posted by: wizfan81 | November 5, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I am a die hard Wizards fan and obviously like Arenas but he is not at the level that Carmelo or Paul are. He is a good player, if he was at their level, the Wizards would contend.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 5, 2009 9:56 AM


The hornets are sucking pretty hard right now. Paul and Arenas are different players- Arenas is more of a tweener- but, really, he's the WIZARDS best shot for winning a championship and he's surrounded by very good players, fortunately. Maybe not this year- the East is so, so deep- but if we have this team in (sigh) two years?? Ugh- if we had this team two years ago we'd have been champs.

Posted by: jistutz | November 5, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Nah. Stevenson wasn't the reason they lost last night. If the Wiz are counting on DeShawn for scoring, they're out of luck.
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You have to be kidding, nobody is counting on the so called shooting guard to score because he can't score. His minutes should have gone to Mcguire. I will say again, if Stevenson plays major minutes, the team will get nothing in return and they will lose everytime. If anyone thinks Stevenson can play, you have no basketball IQ. How he fools everyone is beyond me. One blogger calls him DaBrick --PRICELESS.

Posted by: ellis125 | November 5, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

DS appears to be averaging 15 plus mins. a nite

He's avg. 3pts, 2 rebounds, 1 turnovers, and leading the team in missed 3ptrs and gets eaten up by the opponent's shooting guard.

What are you DS apologists seeing that the rest of us do not?

Posted by: kahlua87 | November 6, 2009 6:05 AM | Report abuse

There is no DS apologizing going on. He is a hard nosed tough player that does what he is supposed to do. Nobody stops a Wade or any top player when they get going but they can make them work for it. A NY would have been a green light for Wade to get 60 effortlessly. What don't you understand? Is his shot on after 5 games and a year off? No. But, he is not supposed to score on this team anyway. So, don't get down on him for not doing what he is not supposed to do.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 6, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Does what he's supposed to do? What is that?

I just laid out his stats. He's not stopping anyone, nor scoring, nor rebounding, and jacking up 3's and missing. He is not making the team better.

Even the intangibles (grabbing loose balls, drawing charges, hustle plays) are nonexistent.

So AGAIN, what is he DOING?

Posted by: kahlua87 | November 6, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

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