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Miller and Butler hurting, Young starting, Arenas talking

The Wizards will possibly be without two starters when they welcome back Eddie Jordan on Tuesday. The team is still waiting on the results of MRIs on Mike Miller's right calf and Caron Butler's right foot. Butler didn't practice on Monday and is questionable after playing with through the injury the past two weeks.

Coach Flip Saunders said the pain became unbearable in the past week. "He decided go to an MRI to see where it's at. It swelled up a little bit yesterday so we'll know more this afternoon. I know that he had trouble being able to push off in San Antonio. He just couldn't get anything going. We thought it would be better to try to see where it's at and try to take care of it."

Miller will definitely be out for an extended period of time after injuring his calf in San Antonio. Miller was on crutches, dressed in warm-ups, and wearing a New York Yankees championship cap after practice. As he walked by reporters, Miller joked, "I'm going to play tomorrow."

When asked how he was going to determine a start lineup against the Philadelphia 76ers, Saunders joked, "Rock, paper, scissors." But he later said that Nick Young will start either way. Saunders is still trying to decide whether he will start Dominic McGuire at small forward, have Randy Foye at shooting guard and Young at small forward, or even start Fabricio Oberto or Andray Blatche and play Antawn Jamison at small forward.

Saunders said he would wait until Tuesday to make a decision on Butler, hoping that the Wizards' late afternoon shootaround would provide him some extra rest.

Young had fallen out of favor with Saunders, especially after forgetting a play that was called for him in Miami. He will go from inactive against the Spurs to starting against 76ers, an incredible turnaround, but somewhat understandable, given the Wizards' constant injury woes.

"He's really had very good practices," Saunders said. Being inactive 'the last game, more than anything, is because of the situation. We knew Caron was a little bit sore. If something happened to him and he couldn't go, we wanted to have a bigger body. But he's had good practices the last week."

What does he have to do to stay on the floor? "Just consistency, play within himself, play hard and try to cut down on mental mistakes but still try to stay aggressive offensively."

There appears that there is some confusion over the dissension within the Wizards. It certainly is there, but there is no rift between Gilbert Arenas and Brendan Haywood. Their comments were not directed toward each other, although some have inferred that. This won't evolve into some Hayood-Etan Thomas feud.

Arenas spoke with reporters after practice for the first time since the regular season began. I asked him if players on the team trust one another and he offered up this doozy: "Most of us feel we're confident in each other on the floor and there are a few that don't. I have no idea," he said. "But for the most part, we all get a long. There are, what, 15 players on the team? Fourteen do."

He may have cleared up that comment a few minutes later when asked who was responsible for healing the rift on the team. "Me and Antawn. That's our jobs," Arenas said. "But at the end of the day, if 15 players don't want to go and it's only 14, you've seen Remember the Titans. It's the same thing, we've just got to play."

Now, the Wizards have a tri-captain system with Arenas, Jamison and Butler. So it was obvious that Arenas left someone out of the leadership mix. I've mentioned the problems that Arenas and Butler have had playing with each other for most of this funk, but it is really starting to heat up even more.

When Arenas was asked if Butler was also part of the equation to resolve some of the problems with the team chemistry, he smiled, leaned in and asked, "Come again?"

Is Caron also a part of that?

"Yeah," he said.

Arenas also said that he thought the team would be 13-2 this month. He said he even made a bet with assistant coach Sam Cassell. He's had to pay up after each loss. "It's kinda frustrating because me and Sam had a little bet thing going on," he said. "Now I'm kinda down in a hole. Every time we lose a game that we weren't supposed to lose, I owe a hundred dollars to the team."

The Wizards need to turn it around soon. Right now, Arenas is on pace cough up $6,100.

By Michael Lee  |  November 23, 2009; 3:55 PM ET
 
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Comments

Oh, the intrigue.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 23, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse


Butler's the odd man out, eh?

Posted by: and_1 | November 23, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

i know these are grown men and they should be able to act maturely and resolve their differences for the good of the team... but that doesnt seem to be happening.

so... isnt this where the coach is supposed to step in and rule with an iron fist and say, "okay, children, this what we need to do to win, no exceptions. you can sit on the bench if you dont like it"

but flip is too soft to do that kind of thing. same thing happened in detroit, right? he seems to be just sitting to the side watching this season slip away.

Posted by: jesc126 | November 23, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Good move to go back to NY.

The Wiz can't go the 2nd round and beyond unless he starts to get it. He obviously works hard in pratice and stays late to play 1-on-1 so the kid wants to play.

Randy Foye is still hurting and an 80% Foye does the Wiz no good right now.

Posted by: elfreako | November 23, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

OMG, Butler ???

The Gingerbread Man

Is it time to cut bait???

Posted by: millineumman | November 23, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

how many times now has CB been secretly injured?

and Gil, please shut-up.

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

well, last year we had the injury excuses, this year we dont.

problem is as simple as this: the wiz have spent the last 3 years trying to get back to where they were...

we are now back to that level. but, the rest of the league has improved.

caron is not as good as he used to be, gil's shooting is not there like it was, we have no solid 2 guard.

right now, the best players on the wiz are haywood, miller and jamison.

arenas is just smoke and mirrors right now to keep the arena filled, but once we hit 4 and 20, I wont be able to get rid of my lower level tickets for $20 each.

Posted by: m1ke3i6 | November 23, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert and Caron are both stinking up the joint. They should stop feuding and start returning to their '07 and '08 forms, respectively.

Posted by: Dellis2 | November 23, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes you have to allow men to be men and let leaders lead. If there's any kind of beef, i trust that they are grown enough me to discuss and keep it out of the media. At the end of the day, winning is all that matters.

These guys making MILLIONS to play 3-4 games per week, practice, make appearences. Surely in their spare time between video games and more video games they talk. Communication is the most important part of any relationship.

@ Nick Young...don't just jack up shots, play within the offense and your driving lanes will open up.
@ Flip Sanders...if we were winning I could see not dipping into the youth movement, but we'd all like to see more McGee. (BH is playing at an all star level, AB is struggling with the back and forth 4/5.)

Posted by: Gooddad | November 23, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I am getting a lil' bit tired of Caron and this ticky tack injury bull___. Perhaps they should look at moving him.

Posted by: terpwiz | November 23, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I knew Caron was injured. There was just no other explanation for his lack of explosion. Now what?

I don't understand how Nick Young can go from barely playing, to not playing. to starting. It's bizarre. I would prefer for Foye start with AJ, Blatche, but give NY substantial minutes in reserve. The Stevenson experiment should end.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | November 23, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

i think Foye is probably still hurting.

Looking forward to seeing Dom get some quality minutes, NY as well though counting on him seems like we're at the end of our rope.

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

NY starting for this team is a bad sign, probably worse than the fact that we played our best stretch of ball this year with gilbert on the bench (4th quarter, cleveland)

Posted by: m1ke3i6 | November 23, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Well, this shake-up is interesting. The most interesting thing to me is that he still has Gil at the point. If Gil can figure out his role within the system and not revert to jacking up 50 shots like he seems to be considering doing then maybe some continuity can begin. With MM out for a while and Caron down as well the time is NOW for AJ and Gil to figure things out and start gelling.

I am glad he is not changing Blatche's role. Keep him as AJ and Haywood's sub. I do hope that JaVale and DMac get some time to just see if they can contribute. Tuesday against the 76ers is a must game now.

BmoreRev

Posted by: stanlong23 | November 23, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

i guess this qualifies as news when your team absolutely sucks right now.

Posted by: thickman22 | November 23, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

First trade in mid-to-late December; partial overhaul coming right after the All-Star game.

Only relevant question is :What will the rest of the league fleece us for?

Posted by: mabkhar | November 23, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

but once we hit 4 and 20, I wont be able to get rid of my lower level tickets for $20 each.

Posted by: m1ke3i6 | November 23, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I'll pay $17.50 for them

Posted by: Blurred | November 23, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Is is me ... or is it a bad thing when your COACH IS BETTING AGAINST THE TEAM!

This group has more problems than we thought.

Posted by: original2cents | November 23, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Isn't betting illegal?

Also, here's some news that squashes Gilby's assertion that the 8 free agents have hidden agendas..courtesy of the Wash. Times.

I have to say that Mike Lee is pretty cool with him posting links to the Wash. Times, a competing paper.

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Arenas admitted last week that this season he has been driven by trying to measure up to New Orleans' Chris Paul, whom he views as the best point guard in the game; Arenas' goal is to average 20 points and eight to 10 assists a game. But that desire to rack up assists has made him hesitant to pass to fellow All-Star Caron Butler at times while criticizing him for not being a catch-and-shoot player.

The Wizards indeed appear to be on a few different pages, but whether impending free agency is to blame is debatable. Of the eight free agents-to-be, only five played, and Haywood - the player calling for selfless play - took only four shots. The other four (Randy Foye, Fabricio Oberto, Dominic McGuire and Earl Boykins) came off the bench. Oberto took no shots, recording four rebounds and two blocks in 10 minutes, and McGuire had only one shot attempt in six minutes. Boykins and Foye were asked to come out gunning but both struggled, going a combined 5-for-20.

Arenas has, however, remained the team leader in shots taken, averaging more than 19 a game, but his .390 shooting percentage is the worst of all the starters. On Saturday against San Antonio, Arenas scored a team-high 18 points but needed 18 shots to get there.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 23, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I wont be able to get rid of my lower level tickets for $20 each

Early dibs. I'm the penthaus, will gladly upgrade for that price.
CB got used to jacking up shots the last couple of years, and figures thats the role he has. AB needs to be used more than he has since AJ return. He was playing at a real high level,but now his minutes are sporadic. With the way the team is going ,I cant see how he wouldnt fit in. MM is really gonna be missed, and I agree (stop the DS experiment). Play the young guys so that they can be ready, not like the Redskins ahs done with their young group,now they see they can contribute if given the chance and plays run for them.Also CB can go for something nice in return. Dont know whats out there ,but it has to be something, Look back over the blogs, can I repeat Tyreke Evans over, and over and over like I did before draft!

Posted by: bossclifnpooh2 | November 23, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Gil's comments before about guys coming up for free agency, mixed with today's stuff about only 14 out of 15 guys into it had me thinking maybe Mike James, but that doesn't make sense since he's out injured.

Butler has made comments in the past about Gil being the "star" of the team, making the big bucks, and "face of the franchise" etc. He's gotta be a bit p.o.'d about the star treatment he gets in comparison to Caron who is no chopped liver himself. Butler also more than anyone else voiced his support for Eddie J last season when he was let go.

But we need Caron and Gil to work things out or this team is doomed. Maybe a Caron for Iguodala deal is something that could be good for both teams??

As far as starting NY that's fine. I'd go with either Blatche or McGuire in there instead of Foye, especially if Young is starting.

Posted by: Darnell1 | November 23, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Gil's comments before about guys coming up for free agency, mixed with today's stuff about only 14 out of 15 guys into it had me thinking maybe Mike James, but that doesn't make sense since he's out injured.

Butler has made comments in the past about Gil being the "star" of the team, making the big bucks, and "face of the franchise" etc. He's gotta be a bit p.o.'d about the star treatment he gets in comparison to Caron who is no chopped liver himself. Butler also more than anyone else voiced his support for Eddie J last season when he was let go.

But we need Caron and Gil to work things out or this team is doomed. Maybe a Caron for Iguodala deal is something that could be good for both teams??

As far as starting NY that's fine. I'd go with either Blatche or McGuire in there instead of Foye, especially if Young is starting.

Posted by: Darnell1 | November 23, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Remember all the stories about how "some players feel like they have to take over the game and then start playing one-on-one." This was all about CB in my opinion, having watched the games and the turnovers as CB pressed at critical times.

I think that Caron is desperate to make the All-Star team again and his maximized #s playing within his role on this team may only be 15 pts, 7 rbds, 3 assts and 2 steals per game ... not enough and he knows it so he isn't playing within his role, instead trying to get 20 and be a hero at critical junctures. He is a one-on-one guy who stagnates the offense so no brainer for Flip ... have CB concentrate on getting offensive rebounds, defense, picks, etc... Gil, Tawn, Miller, Foye can score and dish in multiple ways that CB cannot. The Wiz need to keep the ball out of CB's hands for the offense to work ... or just run a set where they clear out a side so CB can stand and measure his 20 footer and then make a move if the defender is still clinging after 10 seconds of him holding the ball. We've all seen it, he needs to grow offensively if he wants 20 and Gil is trying to tell him what he needs to do. Team can't win this way and Gil, Tawn, Foye and Miller are legitimately better offensive players so he needs to realize and re-focus on making the All-Star team alongside Gil and Tawn, i.e., the same way Prince did it, by earning respect with the all around game and winning

... or he needs to be traded to a lower tier non-playoff team and get his numbers on a losing team ... I would package him with someone lik NY right now for a guy like Larry Hughes.

Posted by: lyndale5 | November 23, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

"Every time we lose a game that we weren't supposed to lose"

identical to delusions exhibited by redksins players for years. Note to Gil: There is no longer a game we arent supposed to lose.

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

"I would package him with someone lik NY right now for a guy like Larry Hughes."

Posted by: lyndale5

In a NY-minute.

Posted by: and_1 | November 23, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Oh God! People are angling to get Larry Hughes back again. We're in even worse trouble than I thought.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 23, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: nattylite88 | November 23, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

What do you find more intriguing: that Sam would bet against the team, or that were Gil to lose $6100 would be the equivalent of most of us losing two cents?

Julian Tepper

Posted by: jutepper1 | November 23, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

When asked how he was going to determine a start lineup against the Philadelphia 76ers, Saunders joked, "Rock, paper, scissors." But he later said that Nick Young will start either way. Saunders is still trying to decide whether he will start Dominic McGuire at small forward, have Randy Foye at shooting guard and Young at small forward, or even start Fabricio Oberto or Andray Blatche and play Antawn Jamison at small forward.

Are you kidding me?

It sounds like Flip is still guessing about who should play and this is the guy everybody said was going to take us to the promise land?.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 23, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

It sounds like Flip is still guessing about who should play and this is the guy everybody said was going to take us to the promise land?.

With some semblence of a haelthy line up.
Take away (Pierce, & Allen, & a Rondo), or (Mo. Williams, Moon, & LeBron) , or (Wade, Chalmers, & Beasley) or ( Bibby, JJ, & J. Smith), and see where the promised land lies for those teams. We are just snake bitten to say the least.

Posted by: bossclifnpooh2 | November 23, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

"Are you kidding me? "

Yes, actually. He was.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 23, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

"With MM out for a while and Caron down as well the time is NOW for AJ and Gil to figure things out and start gelling."

I 100% agree with Rev, but for whatever reason Caron and Gil don't play well together on the floor. A friend of mine noticed the same thing.

When Gil was out, Caron was a beast. Gil came back last year and Caron all but disappeared.

They really have to consider doing something if this doesn't work out, especially with all of the players that will be available this offseason.

I think Caron is the odd man out. That and dude has injury issues.

I am willing to bet if Caron is out for any length of time the turnovers go down and the Wiz start winning.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | November 23, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Which Nick Young is gonna show up tomorrow?
It won't surprise me if he scores 25 in 30 minutes and misses his first 6 shots the next game and sits 40 minutes.
That boy needs straightened out. Maybe Mrs. Blatch could adopt him.

Posted by: VBFan | November 23, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

[GILBERT ARENAS] "Most of us feel we're confident in each other on the floor and there are a few that don't. I have no idea. But for the most part, we all get a long. There are, what, 15 players on the team? Fourteen do."

Wow, it's really encouraging to see AGENT ZERO admit he's not in sync with the rest of the squad. Maybe there's hope for the "ZARDS yet.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 23, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Maybe a Caron for Iguodala deal is something that could be good for both teams??

darnell

I just had the same thought, BUTLER for IGUODALA straight up. But IGUODALA makes 12.2 mill this year and is signed for four with a player option fifth while BUTLER makes 9.75 this year and is signed for next year as well. In that eventuality, WIZ have to increase payroll however, and with so many expiring contracts, losing one thats set doesn't make good sense.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 23, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

If Nick Young plays like he did in summer league, then he will provide a moving target for Gil to hit for clean looks at the basket.

The Wiz can pick and roll EJ and his 76ers to death, if they commit to moving without the ball and passing it when the opportunity is there.

And play defense. That's the big question. Can these guys lock down Brand, Iguadala and Williams? We have to guard the perimeter as well as close the lane.

In short, we have to do everything we didn't do in San Antonio and Oklahoma City. Guys have to step up and play ball and not just run their mouths.

Posted by: zinger1 | November 23, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

"I think Caron is the odd man out. That and dude has injury issues.

I am willing to bet if Caron is out for any length of time the turnovers go down and the Wiz start winning.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | November 23, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse "

Please...

If Caron has injury issues, what does Gilby have?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 23, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: and_1 | November 23, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

"I just had the same thought, BUTLER for IGUODALA straight up. "

And, as usual, the question must be asked: Why would Philly make that deal? It does nothing to improve their team, given that Iguodala is better, younger, more athletic than Butler at the same position.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 23, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

There are many SF's in NBA.Butler is not a bad leder even if he is not that much vocal.
The best leder is arenas ,he is singling out the problem of the team, if he found unstable players he can cause distruction.Butler is a matured man he will get focused and resolve his issue.Chicago will be happy to get him for salman if that is what we are looking.

Posted by: gtefferra | November 23, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Next thing we'll hear is that Gilby will say he wishes he was as short as Earl so that he'd get even more attention.

Gilby is an attention wh0re....

Please medical staff, somebody give him some drugs for his diarrhea of the mouth.

I know Caron is tight with Shaq, so I'm sure they share some stories about how Shaq squashed Laura.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 23, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

"And, as usual, the question must be asked: Why would Philly make that deal? It does nothing to improve their team, given that Iguodala is better, younger, more athletic than Butler at the same position.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 23, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse "

Probably b/c EJ likes him some tough juice.

If you look at their stats though, the only difference really is their age...with Caron being 4 years older, and has had two seasons scoring over 20 pts/game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=2386

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=1705

Even still, I seriously doubt if AI would agree to come here to play for Les BouleS if he had the choice. It was Gilby who badmouthed AI when he was a free agent.

Seems like a funny pattern....Gilby likes to bash those who are about to hit the market (Okafor, Ben Gordon, Luol Deng, AI, 8 players on Les BouleS, etc.), while he likes to prop himself up.

I can hear BTH singing "ego...right about now."

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 23, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

"The best leder is arenas ,he is singling out the problem of the team, if he found unstable players he can cause distruction.

Posted by: gtefferra | November 23, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse "

Talk about losing all credibility right off the bat.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 23, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

I suspect any sign of tension between players on the Wiz upsets the media so much they fall all over themselves figuring out how to exploit it.

Lot more interesting than some boring old basketball game....

Posted by: Samson151 | November 23, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

"Are you kidding me? "

Yes, actually. He was.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 23, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Saunders joked, about choosing his players by playing "Rock, paper, scissors."

But he later said that Nick Young will start either way. Saunders is still trying to decide whether he will start Dominic McGuire at small forward, have Randy Foye at shooting guard and Young at small forward, or even start Fabricio Oberto or Andray Blatche and play Antawn Jamison at small forward.

This wasn't a joke the man still hasn't a clue who to play and it's showing on the court.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 23, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

"I suspect any sign of tension between players on the Wiz upsets the media so much they fall all over themselves figuring out how to exploit it.

Lot more interesting than some boring old basketball game....

Posted by: Samson151 | November 23, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse "

Not worse than a player such as Gilby volunteering to call out his teammates and implying how he is the savior.

Gilby knows the press and how to exploit it to his favor. Don't shoot the messengers.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 23, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

A few reasons I see for Eminem getting beat up so early is that Flip Flop is having him play SG.

Eminem, at about 6-9 and 230 cannot chase smaller and quicker SG's around and through screens.

He is being run ragged and hammered during screens.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 23, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

I think for every action there is a re-action and I think Caron's action goes like This: Over the summer the Wizards aquired SMALL Forward Mike Miller and Randy Foye thus making the wizards deep with talent. Last year the team listend to offers to gauge where his team was and Caron's name keeps poping up.....(The Suns deal) But you give up to much in losing Butler plus some of your future (McGee, Blatch) to do a deal. Well guess what? Ernie can throw a package together now that could not only include Butler but keep a core group together that could contend for a championship. The sad part is to keep from being traded Caron has to show he's worth keeping, making a all-star appearance could help or not. I think i read a question on the post about Do we think Ernie G. was loading up to do a deal and the answer was it was possible. Before the trade deadline this year was questionable and at the end of the year was going to depend on the outcome of the season. Im sorry but caron can go if we can get a Amare Staudamire type player and keep AJ, GA,BH,JM

Posted by: joe_eg98 | November 23, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

"If you look at their stats though, the only difference really is their age.."

Which is why it's always a good idea to judge players by how they play, not just by stats. Iguodala is better. (But on the subject of stats: Iguodala is averaging twice as many assists as turnovers. Butler is averaging twice as many turnovers as assists.) And last I checked, Eddie Jordan wasn't the GM in Philly, so he doesn't get to say who gets traded.

Miller has played both SF and SG throughout his career. This is nothing new.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 23, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

"Which is why it's always a good idea to judge players by how they play, not just by stats. Iguodala is better. (But on the subject of stats: Iguodala is averaging twice as many assists as turnovers. Butler is averaging twice as many turnovers as assists.) And last I checked, Eddie Jordan wasn't the GM in Philly, so he doesn't get to say who gets traded.

Miller has played both SF and SG throughout his career. This is nothing new.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 23, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse "

He should be better...that's why he's getting paid about $2.5 mil more than Caron this season, but is that worth an extra 1.4 assists career wise over Caron?

BTW, let's not overemphasize the "averaging twice as many assists as turnovers." If you look at AI's career average, it's more like 1.76, while Caron's is 1.3.

Keep in mind that as SG and SF's, they usually aren't judged by their assists/turnover ratio unlike PG's.

EJ may not be GM, but he's close with Ed Stefanski as they both worked together in NJ.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20090602_Stefanski_says_Jordan_was_right_fit.html

WRT Eminem...it's nothing new for him to play SG or SF, but he's no spring chicken anymore, and for him to chase around smaller and quicker 2's, well, you see what the end result is.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 23, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

"If Gil could drop 28 a night right now Flip would be all for it, and Arenas is going to have the green light until he proves conclusively he'll never be near the player he once was.

And we're a long ways off from that.

Bottomline is nothing will work until Arenas is again a primary threat that kills you if you dont focus on him. That ability and what it creates is what we paid him for (mainly).

Haywood's childish behavior and overinflated view of himself is probably just angling for his big deal elsewhere- gotta make sure everyone knows he isnt the problem.

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse "

It's funny how a single posting can be full of contradictions....calling BTH childish when Gilby is the biggest child on the team.

Gilby can get his extra 8-10 pts/game by going buck wild from now on with his shot selection, but those shots will come at the expense of other players on the team and if you look back, that extra 8-10 pts would have still resulted in a loss against both OK and SA.

And for sure, nobody on the team will be backing him up on defense. He'll have to check his own man from now on.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 23, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

So IGUODALA is better than CARON? Wow, just wow. How's that? What stats you playing with ka-lo?

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 23, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

"DC_MAN88 where you at? Now that's one take I agree with. Especially, "He's[ARENAS] won already with that max money contract." Ain't it so, ain't it so. Thank you Mr. DC_MAN88 and thank you Mr. POLLIN.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 23, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse "

So Gilby won at the bank, but how do the fans and the owner win?

They clearly don't.

Abe deserves what he gets though, for paying good money for a egotistical lemon.

Maybe it's his way of coping with the fact that Shaq has been chop chopping on Laura and his unborn baby.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 23, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

"DC_MAN88 where you at? Now that's one take I agree with. Especially, "He's[ARENAS] won already with that max money contract." Ain't it so, ain't it so. Thank you Mr. DC_MAN88 and thank you Mr. POLLIN.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 23, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse "

So Gilby won at the bank, but how do the fans and the owner win?

They clearly don't.

Abe deserves what he gets though, for paying good money for a egotistical lemon.

Maybe it's his way of coping with the fact that Shaq has been chop chopping on Laura and his unborn baby.

That was a questionz? I clearly missed your point if it was. If not....... aw hell, forget it.

"Abe deserves what he gets though, for paying good money for a egotistical lemon."

Another great line though. You're with it today DC_MAN. Couldn't agree more. Been sayin' that for years now.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 23, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

'thank you Mr. POLLIN." DC_MAN. You missed the sarcasm in my comment. I'm AGREEING with you. Truce O.K.?

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 23, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

FROM MICHAEL LEE's article of this morning.

[GILBERT ARENAS] "The NBA's a ship. It's going to keep moving. Teams are not waiting for us," Arenas said. "As the captain, I've got to steer my ship. If I've got to steer it to land until everybody wants to jump on, then I'm going to do it. . . ."

Let's see....... "I've"..."my"..."I've"..."I'm"...words that seem pretty egocentric to me

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 23, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

"The NBA's a ship. It's going to keep moving. Teams are not waiting for us," Arenas said. "As the captain, I've got to steer my ship. If I've got to steer it to land until everybody wants to jump on, then I'm going to do it. . . .""

I'm sure Shaq thought the same thing when a preggers Laura straddled him.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 23, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Arenas also said that he thought the team would be 13-2 this month. He said he even made a bet with assistant coach Sam Cassell. He's had to pay up after each loss. "It's kinda frustrating because me and Sam had a little bet thing going on," he said. "Now I'm kinda down in a hole. Every time we lose a game that we weren't supposed to lose, I owe a hundred dollars to the team."

Oh now this is just what we need next: For the league to look into a gambling scandle with the Wizards! Why not? Everything else has gone wrong...

Posted by: bazteal | November 23, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Funny. Last thread the conjecture was running wild on the dissension front with most of it being wrong. So, now it is actually coming into focus. The "ego" has been outed as CB, which I can believe. Is he the only problem? No. Has he been perhaps the biggest problem? Yes. I've lost count of the surges or rallies he's killed with a horrible shot or horribly untimely turnover. Mr. "I am an all-star", but probably should have been benched a few games ago. Now, miraculously he has a mysterious foot ailment, which is par for his career. Every time he is playing poorly he comes up with mystery ailments with both happening way too frequently.

Anyway, good on you Flip. Mixing things up! NY forgetting a play called specifically for him during a timeout vs Miami. How classic and non surprising! Goofball. Here is your chance to get out of the doghouse goofball! Don't blow it.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 23, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

LOL...Young starting, huh?

He'll be jacking up more shots than a repo man's tow truck.

So when his shot ain't falling and Zero's shot ain't falling and DS shot mos def ain't gonna be falling, then what? Earl?

Posted by: kahlua87 | November 24, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

I made a comment over the summer and got blasted by some people for it:

Gilbert Arenas is the second coming of Steve Francis - a quirky combo guard who does one thing and that is score.

He doesn't play D.

He's not a true facilitator.

He's not a "leader" in any other category except being a self-conscious stat-minder. He's not passing the ball to Caron b/c Butler won't pad GA's assist stats?? That says it all.

He's a captain?? What a joke.
Gilbert is a $100 million child who needs a round-the-clock sound byte editor to make sure he doesn't say something to destroy team chemistry.

Posted by: p1funk | November 24, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

He's not a "leader" in any other category except being a self-conscious stat-minder. He's not passing the ball to Caron b/c Butler won't pad GA's assist stats?? That says it all.

p1funk:

Another statement with which I am in complete accord. Ownership which sees such machinations between its players and does nothing gets what it deserves. All things WIZARDS will begin to improve the day a new owner of the LEONSIS ilk arrives to resurrect operations in WASHINGTON, and only then.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 24, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

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