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Morning brew

The Wizards played at the same time as the Redskins on Sunday, and they ended up having more than just timing in common with the local football team. Like the Redskins, the Wizards lost their fourth in a row, this time 102-90 to the Phoenix Suns in Verizon Center.

It was another fitful offensive performance, as the Wizards (stop us if you've heard this before) had more turnovers than assists. Adding insult to injury, the Suns' Steve Nash had more assists (17) than the entire Wizards team (15). Michael Lee covers all the angles in his postgame thoughts on the Insider. Speaking of angles, be sure to check out staff photographer John McDonnell's fine work from the game.

In his game story, The Washington Times' Mike Jones focused on Gilbert Arenas cooling off after such a hot start, while his colleague Tom Knott weighed in on the Wizards' apparent lack of cohesiveness.

And here's the lowdown from Bullets Forever and Truth About It's live Twitter blog.

From the Suns' perspective, things are looking just fine on what has turned into a productive Eastern swing for them. The Suns are tied with the Lakers (more on them in a second) for the best record in the Western Conference at 6-1.

Highlights package from NBA.com:

Around the league...

Only five other games on the slate. Of note in the late games was the Lakers, who are missing two starters due to injury (sound familiar?), knocking off the Hornets, 104-88, for their fifth straight win. Here's NBA.com's Daily Zap to get you up to speed:

By Ed Guzman  |  November 9, 2009; 3:00 AM ET
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Comments

First!

Posted by: MeviousMan | November 9, 2009 3:16 AM | Report abuse

Repost...

Another game where we have more turnovers than assists.

Anybody wondering why I keep saying Gilbert is a shooting guard and not a one. It dosen't matter if you list him as the point, but you better have somebody else that is capable of handling the point play with him on the court.

They list Tim Duncan as a power forward, but everyone knows he plays the center role for San Antonio.

List Gilbert at the one all you want, but to have him playing the one is just plain stubborn.

Foye should be handling the point play and hopefully Crit when he gets back so Gilbert can really do what he does best and that is score the ball.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 3:42 PM

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 9, 2009 5:19 AM | Report abuse

ANTWAN/MILLER...if this team is to even make it to the 6-8 spot in the east playoffs it will be because of those two names (not GA) antwan is a liability on defense but his leadership/basketball maturity and IQ is invaluable to a squad as immature as the wiz are...miller is a tough nosed savvy vet (even more so now that i see him up close on the wiz)...gil needs these kind of players on a team that he plays for...GA is not ready to "lead" a team to a level of respectability in the NBA...if the wiz are going to contend it will be jamison and miller leading the way...gil must assume more of a chauncey billups role in this offense...if he does not he will be a liability because his offense is just not there yet...once jamison and miller get back you will see a more consistent and professional effort from this team...until then it might not be a good idea for die hard wiz fan to watch this excuse-laden "wait to we get our boys back" JV squad...

Posted by: ronniecope106 | November 9, 2009 6:41 AM | Report abuse

excuses are like comments...in this city we except the "excuses" that we hear from the players, coaches and reps of these area sports teams...every year you hear how extremely optimistic these franchises are about how they have put together a "contender" and how much excitement there is throughout the organization and the city...and then bam!! REALITY!! and here comes the barrage of excuses...it happens every year...i personally believe that the players for these average (WIZ) to below average (SKINS) teams have not been on the level of mentally tougher teams...if you punch washington area teams in the mouth they back up (then DOWN)...the one exception to this is the CAPS!! I like the way ted builds/runs this team...the CAPS will restore pride to the d.c. area (who'd of thunk it?? winning pro hockey in d.c.)...put an OVIE on the wiz/skins and watch it percolate!! the wizards are shaky right now...the season is young so of course there is still hope but they need to take a punch then return some "combinations" ! they have the pieces to do this if they are not afraid...or are they?

Posted by: ronniecope106 | November 9, 2009 6:52 AM | Report abuse

Flip needs to ditch his love of vets and start AB while also giving Dom plenty of minutes rather than DeClank.

Posted by: divi3 | November 9, 2009 7:11 AM | Report abuse

And the reliance on jump shots is a recipe for doom. caron, gil, and blatche all take too many Js when drives are available. I've just about given up on Caron being the player he was for us a few years back, not sure what happened, but he's settled into the role of a mediocre player.

Gil I know can get to the rack at will and he needs to start doing it again. Way too many ill-advised Js early in the clock yesterday.

Note to AB: when steve nash is all that's between you and the basket, dunk on the canuck's head poste haste. There's no need to try some foolheaded wraparound pass ending in a TO.

Man, do we need antawn back!

Posted by: divi3 | November 9, 2009 7:27 AM | Report abuse

The Wizards again finished with more turnovers than assists against Phoenix, a disturbing trend that stands more as the symptom than the actual problem....Gilbert Arenas

Nash had 17 ast Wash had 15 ast?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 8, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

It was another fitful offensive performance, as the Wizards (stop us if you've heard this before) had more turnovers than assists. Adding insult to injury, the Suns' Steve Nash had more assists (17) than the entire Wizards team (15).

By Ed Guzman | November 9, 2009; 3:00 AM ET

"(stop us if you've heard this before)"
Ed of course we've read it before....I wrote it on November 8, 2009 8:16 PM!

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 9, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Sure seems like we have a lot of excuses around here. Gil and Cb are shooting poorly but Ab is still shooting a decent % and we have scoring on the bench. NY had a bad game a few games ago and isnt really getting an opportunity to do what he does best. We spent all summer reading about how he is lighting it up off screens like Miller/Hamilton. Where is that right now when we need points?
No more fricking excuses. We have CB and Gil and Ab is giving us numbers and defense. We oughtta be winning.

Posted by: original_mark | November 9, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Larry,

You are unbelievable really trying to get your point across. Gil is a POINT guard (albeit an average one) that can hardly defend point guards, how do you expect him to defend 2-guards.
And noone on this blog is gonna take you seriously if you bring up Crit playing alongside defending shooting guards. Come on now!

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 9, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

"We oughtta be winning"

Haywood misses the dunk in the midst of our late run, then missed both FTs, followed up with no one getting back in transition and an ez bucket for the Suns. Game Over.

not that I am blaming brendon, he is often our best player on the floor.

Just saying we're seeing the same lapses in play (imho) that have plagued the team for years.

If Caron and Gil were hitting their Js we win yesterday, but it would have been Fool's Gold given the lack of ball movement and aggressive play towards the rim...

Posted by: divi3 | November 9, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

You see folks Gilberts forte is scoring. He can't be both the scorer and point guard two for this Team.

In Flips system true point play is a necessity. The point facilitates the entire Team.

Whoever thought that Gilbert could be both the scorer and the facilitator might want to reconsider.

Assist is something that this Team needs and it also needs Gilbert to be the prolific scorer that he has proven he can be.

Those two important things cannot both come from Gilbert.

We need a fulltime assist guy, true point guard, that leads and facilitates the Offense for the Team each night out.

Sure, Gilbert will still have predominent control of the ball, but to attack and score.

When Miller and AJ comes back, hopefully that makes a big difference in our success on the court.

But even if that plays out, IMO the Wizards will be the Team we thought they would be only if someone else is responsible for handling the point play besides Gilbert.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 9, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Gilbert is a leader! He is such an effective leader that everyone is now playing just like Gil, which is to go one on one and shoot as quickly as possible. They say plagiarism is the best form of flattery, so I guess everyone just want to be like Gil (The $111 Million man)! Isn't Gil's shirt number missing some "1"s and "0"s? Oh, I forgot, he wants to be known as "Agent 0" not "Free Agent 111000000"!

Posted by: JohnWWW | November 9, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

You are unbelievable really trying to get your point across. Gil is a POINT guard (albeit an average one) that can hardly defend point guards, how do you expect him to defend 2-guards.
And noone on this blog is gonna take you seriously if you bring up Crit playing alongside defending shooting guards. Come on now!

Posted by: Utilityman1

Q: If you start a 6'3" player and a 6'5" player in the backcourt, is there a league mandate that requires the 6'3" player to guard the opposing team's shooting guard?


Q: Is your skepticism regarding Crit defending two-guards based solely on his height, his position designation or is it based on something you gleened from watching him play defense last season?

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 9, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Gil looks a little lost to me, and like he isnt quite in game shape.

After 2yrs off, let's give him some time to be fully re-adjusted to the nba. Both physically and mentally.

My concern is that while the defense appears better, I do not see Flip's imprint on the offense yet.

Posted by: divi3 | November 9, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Correction:

...something you gleaned...

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 9, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Gil cant guard anyone, it's bizarre.

Foye can though, I like this kid.

Posted by: divi3 | November 9, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

not that I am blaming brendon, he is often our best player on the floor.
Posted by: divi3 | November 9, 2009 10:14 AM |

When Brendan Haywood is your best player on the floor, you are going to lose a lot of games...not just to the Cavs, Lakers and Celts, but to the pacers, Kings, Clippers Wolves, Grizzlies and Bobcats, too.

Luckily, this isn't really the case. I don't know what is going on, though. The Suns tried to give the game to Washington, but in typical fashion, we couldn't grab the handle.

I hope when Miller and AB come back, we will be much improved. Can't see how we wouldn't with a reliable 30 pts, 16 rebounds and 9 assists between them. But you never can tell.

Posted by: Blurred | November 9, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Larry,

You are unbelievable really trying to get your point across. Gil is a POINT guard (albeit an average one) that can hardly defend point guards, how do you expect him to defend 2-guards.
And noone on this blog is gonna take you seriously if you bring up Crit playing alongside defending shooting guards. Come on now!

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 9, 2009 9:38 AM

I already answered this question. But let me answer it further with a question to you.

Is there any rule in the NBA that if you play the two on Offense that you have to guard the two on Defense?

And I keep bringing up Crit because he is a talented 6'5" true point guard and you don't know as well as I or anyone else dosen't know how well he will play if given the chance.

In gametime, with the first team, Rajon Rondo proved to be worthy for one reason and one reason only.

That reason was simply he was put in there and allowed to play and learn. Boston could have kept Rondo on the bench for the same reason you are saying that Crit is not ready and no one would have been any wiser.

I say put him out there and give him some serious play and we will see for sure if he can handle the point role.

It seems that the Wizards has always had a ton of excuses not to play rookies and young inexperienced players. While, on the other hand, Teams all over the League have rookies and young inexperienced players contributing to there Teams play.

It's not like the Wizards are a perennial power house Team that always considered in the Championship hunt.

If that were so, then you could say Crit is not ready, Javale is not ready, McQuire is not ready, Blatche cannot start, but when you are 2-4 and continually have players out, we ought to know from serious gametime evaluation which players can get the job done.

We need to stop sending them to purgatory for making mistakes on the floor. Javale McGee might not be ready but right now with Miller and AJ out he should be playing.

Is that clear enough for ya'.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 9, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Arenas is trying to do too much. Between the absence of Jamison and Miller and the pressure of expectations for the team and his first healthy season back since signing the big contract, he's pressing, trying to figure out his place amid all of the changes around him. But he's not the only one, so singling him out is a bit unfair.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

meant AJ, not AB.

Ab is doing a fine job, but he is not NBA starter. At least not on a highly competitive team.

Posted by: Blurred | November 9, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I think Crittenton is a player with a lot of potential, but given the long injury layoff that caused him to miss pretty much everything that would have gotten him acclimated to Flip's sytem (training camp, preseason, every regular season game so far) it's highly unlikely he'd be able to step in and be an immediate difference maker.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

somebody tell me how well CB is playing, i missed the game

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 9, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Both Arenas and Foye benefit from having someone else on the floor to share ballhandling duties with, even if it's each other. Problem is, with Miller out, there's no third guy to put out there when Arenas or Foye are resting. Stevenson and Young certainly aren't the answers.

We heard all the raves about the great shape James was in coming into camp. Now might be the time for Flip to put him out there to show something, at least until Miller gets back.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

think Crittenton is a player with a lot of potential, but given the long injury layoff that caused him to miss pretty much everything that would have gotten him acclimated to Flip's sytem (training camp, preseason, every regular season game so far) it's highly unlikely he'd be able to step in and be an immediate difference maker.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2009 11:08 AM

UtilityMan1,

Did you read what Kalo_rama wrote here. Now that makes perfect sense and is a valid reason for Crit not being able to step up, rather than you just dismissing him out of hand.

Also, did you read what he said about Gilbert trying to do too much. I agree with that also and is why I keep indicating that it would not hurt if Gilbert had someone else with him to help run the Team.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 9, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"Ab is doing a fine job, but he is not NBA starter. At least not on a highly competitive team."

With the right coaching, he should be though. Guy makes the game hard on himself, he could be a reliable 15/10 guy if he cut parts of his game out rather than always trying too much.

Dunk everytime you can AB, dont attempt a reverse layup if it's not necessary, dont shoot 3s unless the clock is down, etc, etc

he's as frustrating as ever to watch, now because he appears to be playing better but the results are the inconsistent same

Posted by: divi3 | November 9, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I think Blatche has shown a lot of improvement in terms of consistency of effort and focus. He still has some hiccups in his game, but he shows a lot more bball IQ than in previous seasons (damning with faint praise, but still.

That being said, it would be nice if he (and Haywood, for that matter) could remember that he's seven feet tall when attempting putbacks and layups/dunks in traffic. It's frustrating watching him going up to the rim with the ball held low only to have it turned back. He must get more layup/dunk attempts blocked than any 7-footer in the NBA.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Q: If you start a 6'3" player and a 6'5" player in the backcourt, is there a league mandate that requires the 6'3" player to guard the opposing team's shooting guard?


Q: Is your skepticism regarding Crit defending two-guards based solely on his height, his position designation or is it based on something you gleened from watching him play defense last season?

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 9, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

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No, there is no league mandate smart man. But if you think Crit (who still doesn't know how to play the games) is going to defend 2 guards and play the point RIGHT NOW, you must be smoking something really good.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 9, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Once AJ and MM come back you the Wizards will score more points and win more games.

The question is do you think those two guys are going to change this 2-5 team into a team that can beat a healthy Celtics, Orlando, Clevland and/or Atlanta team in the playoffs on the road?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 9, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I already answered this question. But let me answer it further with a question to you.

Is there any rule in the NBA that if you play the two on Offense that you have to guard the two on Defense?

And I keep bringing up Crit because he is a talented 6'5" true point guard and you don't know as well as I or anyone else dosen't know how well he will play if given the chance.

In gametime, with the first team, Rajon Rondo proved to be worthy for one reason and one reason only.

That reason was simply he was put in there and allowed to play and learn. Boston could have kept Rondo on the bench for the same reason you are saying that Crit is not ready and no one would have been any wiser.

I say put him out there and give him some serious play and we will see for sure if he can handle the point role.

It seems that the Wizards has always had a ton of excuses not to play rookies and young inexperienced players. While, on the other hand, Teams all over the League have rookies and young inexperienced players contributing to there Teams play.

It's not like the Wizards are a perennial power house Team that always considered in the Championship hunt.

If that were so, then you could say Crit is not ready, Javale is not ready, McQuire is not ready, Blatche cannot start, but when you are 2-4 and continually have players out, we ought to know from serious gametime evaluation which players can get the job done.

We need to stop sending them to purgatory for making mistakes on the floor. Javale McGee might not be ready but right now with Miller and AJ out he should be playing.

Is that clear enough for ya'.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 9, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse
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Larry,

There are 2 reasons the Wiz don't play their young guns. They are either not ready (Crit, MGee) or they just can't play (Young).
Young has been tried over and over and over but the guy is just plain horrible and doesn't look like he wants to learn.
Flip has been trying Mgee but he is still learning the game (extremely raw). As for Crit, he has been given chances in Memphis and last year and although he looks promising, he is NO RAJON RONDO. At least not yet, so if your solution to our problems is to play him, we are bound for a very long year!

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 9, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Arenas is trying to do too much. Between the absence of Jamison and Miller and the pressure of expectations for the team and his first healthy season back since signing the big contract, he's pressing, trying to figure out his place amid all of the changes around him. But he's not the only one, so singling him out is a bit unfair.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

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Whether it's fair or not, you will always be singled out when you have a $111 million contract bigger than Wade, Duncan and Lebron's.
I do believe he will get stronger as the season progresses but he just doesn't give the impression that his head is into games 100%, and that's the scary part.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 9, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Did you read what Kalo_rama wrote here. Now that makes perfect sense and is a valid reason for Crit not being able to step up, rather than you just dismissing him out of hand.

Also, did you read what he said about Gilbert trying to do too much. I agree with that also and is why I keep indicating that it would not hurt if Gilbert had someone else with him to help run the Team.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 9, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse
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Larry,
I never dismissed him, get that out of your head.
I said that he's got a ton of potential but he isn't ready to lead a team YET! He is still raw. Weren't we supposed to contend?
Crit would NOT start on any contending team in the league, PERIOD!!!

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 9, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Arenas is trying to do too much.
Exactly. Miller brings passing ability, rebounding and spacing (because of the 3 point threat) to the starting lineup. Without him, CB and Gil are getting no easy looks. The only way to fix that is to establish someone else as a legit go-to threat. We need to run more plays for AB or start NY and run plays for him. That may kickstart the Big 2.

Posted by: original_mark | November 9, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Hard to see how starting Young will help more than starting Foye, who's better in all phases of the game than Young.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I seem to recall that the Wiz' big problem last season was cohesion on the court. They just didn't play together very well. or for long stretches during the game.

Still a problem, I guess.

They play well for a while, then start missing or forcing shots. When they need to settle down and get back into the offense, they instead begin hiking up jumpers or making errant passes that lead to TOs.

I see this as a problem no matter who is on the court at any given moment. Some player needs to settle them down and remind them that it's a long game and they have plays to run and a defense to execute.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 9, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

One other thing I noticed: when the Wiz play badly, we out here in the blogosphere tend to blame it on the absence of whichever regular wasn't available -- Jamison or Miller this season, Arenas and Haywood last year. But don't you think that an NBA team should be able to execute an offense and a defense with some degree of discipline, no matter who's on the court? Then if they lose, we'll know it's because they lacked talent.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 9, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

It's more than a coincidence that the team's offensive flow became non-existent after Miller went out on Wednesday night. He's the key facilitator and 3-point shooter that made the absence of Jamison less noticeable. Reality is that the Wiz need BOTH Jamison and Miller healthy so there is always a 3rd scorer on the floor.

Arenas is trying to do too much to compensate for the loss of Jamison's scoring and is forcing too many plays. The same goes for Caron who is more effective when the game comes to him. Not much to do in the meantime except play tougher on D. I noticed that the Wiz allowed too many open looks in the 2nd half and Nash had his way with Foye and Stevenson.

Posted by: wizfan89 | November 9, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Q: If you start a 6'3" player and a 6'5" player in the backcourt, is there a league mandate that requires the 6'3" player to guard the opposing team's shooting guard?


Q: Is your skepticism regarding Crit defending two-guards based solely on his height, his position designation or is it based on something you gleened from watching him play defense last season?

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 9, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

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No, there is no league mandate smart man. But if you think Crit (who still doesn't know how to play the games) is going to defend 2 guards and play the point RIGHT NOW, you must be smoking something really good.

Posted by: Utilityman1
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I don't smoke.

When you say Crit can't play "RIGHT NOW" I'm assuming you're referring to after his injury is fully healed and he's back on the court. That said, you don't know that he can't defend shooting guards any more than anyone else knows that he can, so to pejoratively label a prospective Gil/Crit backcourt combination ridiculous, lacking common sense, etc. is a bit over the top. If I look past the blustering, it appears that you believe Crit is simply too inexperienced. I say you get experience by playing, balanced with the ultimate goal of winning the game at hand.
Some may see it as an excuse, but Crit came to this team last year in the middle of the season without the benefit of a training camp and preseason and had to learn as he went along. If I'm not mistaken, Tapscott also made a few adjustments to the Princeton offense and Crit had to learn that, too. He didn't play this preseason either, but he has had a chance to fully immerse himself in the playbook, analyze the plays as they're being run on the court and learn. Can he help at all RIGHT NOW? It's an unknown.


Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 9, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

With a couple of losses the bi-polar contingent of the Wizard fan base have flipped from euphoria to depression.

Without seeing Jamison, Butler, Haywood and Arenas on the floor together for 10 games or so it is too early to draw dire conclusions. Granted it is hard to watch a collection of players without a theme, sometimes without a clue but that's what we've got for the moment. It resembles a second pre-season try-out.

After two years away Arenas has no continuity with Butler and Haywood for the new players to slot into, add to that a new system and the injuries and 2-5 is not much of a surprise.

Interesting that Etan Thomas and Darius Songalia are finding themselves as role players with Oklahoma and NO.

Oberto and Stevenson are fine as roll players but too much is expected of them right now. Problems arise when roll players have to take on major starting responsibilities. What the Wiz are dealing with once again because of injuries.

James is venting about not playing, have to wonder why Flip hasn't given him a little more run. Could he be that poisonous?

Posted by: midlevex | November 9, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

"Some player needs to settle them down and remind them that it's a long game and they have plays to run and a defense to execute."

That's what Jamison and Butler did two seasons ago, when Arenas was first out and the team still managed an improbable playoff run. Last season, between losing both Arenas and Haywood (and later Stevenson), the coaching change, and the influx of expanded roles for the unready youngsters, it was just too much to overcome.

This season, it's hard for anyone to be able to settle things down to normal yet because, with all the new elements, the baseline for "normal" hasn't had a chance to be established yet.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Did you read what Kalo_rama wrote here. Now that makes perfect sense and is a valid reason for Crit not being able to step up, rather than you just dismissing him out of hand.

Also, did you read what he said about Gilbert trying to do too much. I agree with that also and is why I keep indicating that it would not hurt if Gilbert had someone else with him to help run the Team.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 9, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse
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Larry,
I never dismissed him, get that out of your head.
I said that he's got a ton of potential but he isn't ready to lead a team YET! He is still raw. Weren't we supposed to contend?
Crit would NOT start on any contending team in the league, PERIOD!!!


Posted by: Utilityman1
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Utilityman1,

Helping the team does not necessarily mean starting or even playing starter's minutes, IMO.

You previously posted a multitude of major problems that would appear to preclude the Wiz from being contenders (overpaid big 3, team lethargy/apathy, Flip not motivating the team, etc.) If they're not contenders, it would be wise to give him some playing time.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 9, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Larry,
I never dismissed him, get that out of your head.
I said that he's got a ton of potential but he isn't ready to lead a team YET! He is still raw. Weren't we supposed to contend?
Crit would NOT start on any contending team in the league, PERIOD!!!


Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 9, 2009 12:13 PM |

Utilityman1,

What you say could be correct about Crit, but for my money I would like to see him in there with this group of players, a serious trial by fire, and see how he comes out.

Sometimes evaluations must come from realtime instead of what has already occurred.

I see little merit in holding players out until they are ready when the Team needs help.

If you throw Crit in there and he cannot hunt then you can rightfully make him wait if you've determined he is worthy.

As I said about McGee, he may not be ready but he should be playing especially with Miller and AJ out.

You must be as a good Coach, smart enough to use talents like McGee and Crit if your Team needs help. If we were 6-1 or 5-2, then we might could afford the luxury of not using certain players.

If you are 2-5, I say that you still need to be testing which players can help you, rather than not using them at all.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 9, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

BH is definitely doing a commendable job,but why ?, does it take him so much getting his body & feet together for out backs and or offensive rebound dunks.? he brings the ball down for guys my height (5'9") to take it away. He must have very small hands also because anytime he DOES get it back to the rim ,just a touch on the arm or hands and the ball flies out. I do agree on AB (which I am a fan of) needs to be much more of a throw down man when that close to basket. Guys will start to back off when he gets the reputation of throwing it down with authourity rather that the cutesy finger rolls and reverses. I really dont know how NY got so far in the dog house,after watching DS or even DM for that matter. The games I'v e seen Nick in he looks to playing scared ala Jason Cambell of making a mistake. The message sometimes get twisted from coaches to player and causes more harm sometimes. I really hope he snaps out of his funk. Just watch, if he ever gets another chance, no fire and disinterested at best.

Posted by: bossclifnpooh2 | November 9, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards will make the playoffs and the season will be full of ups and downs, but that's how it goes all around the NBA, not just in D.C. How far they go will depend on the coach figuring out the best starters and rotation. It would be nice if the Bullets could package some of their dead weight players with the so called "potential", such as Nick Young and obtain a true point guard so Gil can play the 2.

Posted by: Theone9 | November 9, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Critt----Can he help at all RIGHT NOW? It's an unknown.

Posted by: ArmChairQB

That's for sure.
Can he d up on a 2 guard?
Can he d up on a Pt guard?
Can he run the point?
Can he Score?
Can he get 10 assist/game?
Can he recover enuff this season so we can find out?

To answer any of these ?'s with a YES is pure speculation.

I wish him all the best and hope that he is "Most Improved"
Critt playing anything like Billups or Rondo would put this team in the thick of the Playoffs.
I'm not holding my breath.

Posted by: VBFan | November 9, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Utilityman1,

Helping the team does not necessarily mean starting or even playing starter's minutes, IMO.

You previously posted a multitude of major problems that would appear to preclude the Wiz from being contenders (overpaid big 3, team lethargy/apathy, Flip not motivating the team, etc.) If they're not contenders, it would be wise to give him some playing time.


Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 9, 2009 1:37 PM

And by the way Utilityman1, as ArmChairQB points out, it is not so much about Crit, but it is identifying a weakness on the Team and whom can best eliminate that weakness from the players we have.

IMO, between Foye, James, and Crit, Crit is the best true point of them all. Foye is a good player, but I think that Crit is actually a better point guard.

So I keep plugging him because our point guard play is not good and I believe that Gilberts play will improve exponentially if he gets help handling the ball.

It dosen't matter all that much that Crit isn't ready as you say, but rather can he hold the court with Gilbert.

Amongst what we have, I feel he is the best fit especially as the season goes on and we need to run and score with the best Teams.

I would much rather have Crit guarding Nash and have Gilbert freelancing, than Gilbert trying to freelance and guard Nash and run the Team too. That is too much, even for Gilbert.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 9, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Well, I know it is still real early in the season, but so far I am happy with AB's performance and maturity.

And super dissappointed in NY's.

Of course dissappointed in AJ and MM's injuries, but hopefully they will recover.

Like Foye; wish McGee would step up, but hopefully by the end of season.

Everyone else is about where I figured they be.

We would be 4-3 if NY was able to play like a pro and keep DS off the court. Unfortunately, he can't, so we have DS playing hard, but being DS - good D and lots of hustle, a couple of great plays and then back to missing 3 shots in a row.

Posted by: Blurred | November 9, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Caron is bad right now. his poor all around play has effected games more than any of NYs miscues (in all of his 42 mins this season).CB is constantly trying to go 1on 1, shooting contested jumpers early in the clock, and not doing anything of not on the other end (did he even try to check Granger,Wade, or Joe Johnson?). I dunno how his game declined so fast but he is not Tuff Juice right now.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 9, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"Can he d up on a 2 guard?
Can he d up on a Pt guard?
Can he run the point?
Can he Score?
Can he get 10 assist/game?
Can he recover enuff this season so we can find out

To answer any of these ?'s with a YES is pure speculation."

Not really. He proved last season that the answer to questions 1-3 is a qualified "yes." He can do all of those things because he's done them previously, to varying degrees. Can he do them consistently at the level that will make a difference for the Wizards if he were to get major minutes? That remains to be seen, but that's true of every player on the team, aside from the big 3.

Question 4 needs some tweaking. The question isn't whether he can score, it's whether he can shoot. That's been the big knock on his game, lack of a consistent jumper. If he can develop that (and word was he was putting a lot of work into it in the offseason), then combined with his existing ability to beat defenders off the dribble and get into the lane, he could be a very effective (if not necessarily big numbers) scorer.

The answer to question 5 is irrelevant, because he doesn't necessarily need to get 10 apg to help the team win. It would be nice, but it's hardly a requirement. He can be a solid PG without doing that. In fact, very, very few PGs do that, but that doesn't mean the ones who don't aren't effective.

Question 6 is the big unknown.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

At one point yesterday Caron found himself isolated against Steve Nash and rather than blow by him decided to take a 22ft jumper, which missed.

When you cant drive by Steve Nash like he isnt even standing there, you really need to question what is going on. Whether it's the offensive philosophy or the player I dont know.

But opponents need to PAY for mismatches like that, and everytime they occur. Yes Steve Nash had 17 assists, but he cant guard ANYONE. And he looks every bit of his 35yrs these days, yet we didnt pound him at all, or force the Suns to adjust to his lack of ability to D up any of our guards.

Come on Flip! You're better than that.

Posted by: divi3 | November 9, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

And Goran Dragic simply outworked our whole team for most of the time he was on the floor. Beating Caron and Hairberto to rebounds, pestering guys on D etc...wasnt til close of the 3rd that Foye clearly took it upon himself to end the silliness and blanketed Dragic ending in a sweet block at the buzzer.

But where was our energy?

Posted by: divi3 | November 9, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

We would be 4-3 if NY was able to play like a pro and keep DS off the court. Unfortunately, he can't, so we have DS playing hard, but being DS - good D and lots of hustle, a couple of great plays and then back to missing 3 shots in a row.

Posted by: Blurred | November 9, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

The difference b/w those two guys is that some of us and the wiz don't know their players. DS was brought in for hustle and d. they drafetd NY out of USC b/c he could score. I don't think Flip instilled any of the qualities we are looking for during this summer, when he was coached up to run and shoot . I would look disinterested too if all i was talked to about was my role and how the coach wanted to use me, and when i get out there all i get to do is watch CB jack'em up fro a couple mins and then get chained back to the bench. It's time to move this kid. I think he can turn out to be a good player, but most scorers thrive off of their confidence. NY's confidence has been killed here with the wiz. see if we can send him,MJ and a 2nd rounder out to LA for Eric gordon or Al Thornton.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 9, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

If Caron has Nash isolated on him, he shouldn't be trying to drive past him. The proper response in that situation is to post Nash up and either get to to basket or wait for the double tam and kick it out.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

but CB did neither, not your response or div3's response. are we gonna start hearing about his bball IQ or is CB just gonna get a pass. he's getting his numbers, but he's hurting the team.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 9, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Not sure how he should have posted up Nash 22ft from the basket...

On the play it looked to me that Caron, who used to aggressively take it to the rim, settled for a jumper over Nash's head when he certainly could have driven right by him and had good things happen much closer to the bucket.

Posted by: divi3 | November 9, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

divi3,

Nice post! Finally something of relevance. I was thinking the exact same thing while watching the game. I thought FS was infamous for finding mismatches and milking it. There was no strategy that I saw. Has not been for most games this season. Now, it could be the proverbial coaching learning team, team learning coach situation, but, man, attack Nash. And not just blow bys, back him down, post him up. That's what Butler should have done to him when presented with that matchup. I think this team leads the league in number of balls slapped out of its player's hands.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 9, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

"DS was brought in for hustle and d."

On those two counts, hustle and D, it looks to me that DMac is clearly his superior now. Makes no sense to me why DeClank should be getting more PT than DM

Posted by: divi3 | November 9, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Gil passed on several opportunities to post up Nash in the paint....mystifying

Posted by: divi3 | November 9, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I think you're making a big presumption, that Caron could have easily just blown by Nash. t's always a dicey proposition when a bigger guy tries to drive on a small one.

It's one thing for Nash not to keep Arenas in front of him, but Butler doesn't have anywhere near that kind of quickness or ball skills. Butler's never been one to explode by guys in one-on-one coverage, unless the guy covering him is bigger and slower than he is. That's one of the reasons why he took so many more jumpshots last season when playing SG, because he didn't have a quickness advantage over the guys guarding him like he often does at SF, where he's actually a bit undersized.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

kalo_rama
My point is that he hasn't shown that he can do this to the point where he would be a starter.
Yes he has impressed me sporadically last year when he had the chance but he blew a lot of those opportunities and was pulled by Eddie Tap.
Again I like some of what I saw from him and was bummed when he got injured. I would have liked to see him in the mix. I hope he comes back with a vengeance but I am also a little concerned after seeing him limping into the locker with AJ after one of the last games.

Posted by: VBFan | November 9, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

yeah, that's true about CB...i just consider Nash one of the worst man defenders in the league (not from lack of effort though) and would have liked to see CB exploit the mismatch in better fashion than taking a deep jumper- of the like he has been missing all season.

Posted by: divi3 | November 9, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

It should be noted that several times Wizards drove "past" Nash only to have the refs bail Nash out with a charge. On one play, Nash hit the player with his body and slashed at his arms with both hands while moving backwards into the circle. He still somehow managed to draw a charge. It was pretty pathetic.

On another play, Nash clearly came down with both hands across Blatche's arms as Blatche drove past him. Blatche lost the handle and the ball went out of bounds. Refs called no foul and gave the ball to the suns.

I am not blaming the loss on the refs, but hopefully this explains why the Wiz weren't so anxious to drive on Nash. He gets a free pass to foul if he can fake a fall in the process.

Posted by: jon_quest | November 9, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

DeSHAWN is 28 going on 38. The guy's through, at least at the present. He's a nice guy and all, but plueeze.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 9, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

On another topic.

Foye is 100% better than Nick Young at this point. No reason to ever play Young over Foye unless Foye needs a rest.

DMac is 100% better than Stevenson. Those garbage minutes and defensive stopper minutes need to go to DMac until Stevenson can regain the fire.

Posted by: jon_quest | November 9, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"He gets a free pass to foul if he can fake a fall in the process."

yup. i generally try and leave the refs out of it, "is what it is" type thing. But a 19win team is going to be on the wrong end of any call concerning steve nash until we start winning a bunch of games

Posted by: divi3 | November 9, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

preach it Mr.quest!

deshawn is straight dunzo. Whole arena groans when he spots up for the wide open 3 (which he then misss) and he cant really guard anyone either.

He gives everything he has, and brings much needed toughness in attitude to the team- but it's just not there anymore. DMac deserves those minutes

Posted by: divi3 | November 9, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Mike James out 4-5 weeks with a broken finger, I hear. That puts more pressure on Gil and Foye to produce at the point.

Yeah, I like a NY and MJ trade for Eric Gordon, if the numbers worked. Not sure the Clips would buy it, though.

Posted by: zinger1 | November 9, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

it prolly would take a lot to get gordon that's why i threw in thornton as an alternative. we're 2 guard heavy and thornton can play the 3. he's more skilled than d mac and more athletic than CB.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 9, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeah. That's it. Let's trade our 2 guard that has actually showed something for a 2 guard that hasn't, a PG nobody wants that cant even get garbage time in a blowout and a 2nd round pick that's worth nothing. That makes sense. That's like saying we should trade Foye for Gabe Pruitt, and Tony Allen.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 9, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Yeah. That's it. Let's trade our 2 guard that has actually showed something for a 2 guard that hasn't, a PG nobody wants that cant even get garbage time in a blowout and a 2nd round pick that's worth nothing. That makes sense. That's like saying we should trade Foye for Gabe Pruitt, and Tony Allen.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 9, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

some would say that MJ's expiring contract is attractive. There may even be some that say that NY has a career ahead of him if he can get on the court, and the wiz 2nd rounder from this yr coulda netted Dajuan Blair (still kickin) so the trade isn't horrible (Pau Gasol for Kwame Str8 Up or CB for Kwame). it's not great but that's why i proposed it to the Clippers. BTW with Foye's contract coming up, if not for Ton's gimpl knee, i may consider moving him for TA, GP and a second rounder. we are 2 guard heavy...

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 9, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

scuse me I meant "if not for Tony's gimpy knee.....

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 9, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

There's not a chance in hell the Clippers would take that deal, for Thronton or Gordon.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

not in hell????????that's like saying there's no way in hell abe would pass on the big east player of the year (not in the 2nd round with no guarantee to worry bout) for sum cash, just to sign 2 (OLDberto and Davis) stiffs who don't deserve to play.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 9, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

may i remind u that the lakers got Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown and Critter. or that we got CB and Chuck'em Atkins for Kwame. No way in hell seems a bit strong when we look back at some moves that have been made in the past.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 9, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

^^ agreed.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 9, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

wait...I was trying to agree with Kal.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 9, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

May I remind you that the circumstances surrounding that a deal (an owner of a bad team looking to shed big salaries as a prereq to putting the team on the market) are nothing like the Wizards' current circumstances? May I also remind you that the Grizzlies also got the rights to Marc Gasol, a big, skilled, low post C, currently averaging 15, 12, and 2?

The Wiz have nothing to offer the Clippers that would make them give up Gordon or Thornton, two young players who have proven themselves to be fairly consistent producers, something Nick Young has yet to do.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I feel like a killjoy, but Thornton plays less than no defense (makes Jamison looks like Bruce Bowen) and Eric Gordon is a future All-Star candidate. So if we got Thornton we fans wouldn't have fewer things to complain about -- we'd have more.

Unless that's what you're secretly hoping for...

Posted by: Samson151 | November 9, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

wait...I was trying to agree with Kal.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 9, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

excellent....can I open this up then and ask if there were a player (or players) we should move and is there a player we should aquire this season to make this team a real contender. gimme yer best wiz trade that is actually doable. all of these useless parts on the bench must be of some value to someone.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 9, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Now that Antawn is hurt and Caron is out-to-lunch, the Amare trade sure looks good right now...think the Suns will still do it?????

Posted by: divi3 | November 9, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

and to answer your question in a serious manner....we aint got doo-doo on the bench to trade other than james' expiring

Posted by: divi3 | November 9, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"all of these useless parts on the bench must be of some value to someone. "

Read that sentence to yourself, slowly (out loud if it helps) and see if you can spot the logical flaw inherent in it.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"one man's trash is another man's treasure"
but thank you for granting my wish Semantic Claus now if i can get a couple colloquialisms stuffed into my stocking

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 9, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Please enlighten us. What kind of "treasure" can the Wiz expect in return for James, Davis, Young, Crittenton, or McGuire?

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Davis ain't woth nothin' to nobody.

James has an expiring $7 mil or so and you make the team take the other player (DMac)for the expiring.

But the point is, DMac and Crit aren't the ones you need to move. At worst, they are cheap backups that can hold down the fort for a few minutes.

At best, one of the towo develops into a contributing player - for cheap $$$. They aren't taking up roster space from someone better and never will.

Posted by: Blurred | November 9, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Well, I just want Gordon, that's all I'm saying. Not that we have any leverage to get him ... unless the folks in L.A. want to bring their hometown boy (Young, not Gil) back to play.

Posted by: zinger1 | November 9, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

the trash would be the bench players, as the saying goes , it is this same trash that may be viewed as a treasure to someone else. there may be someone who thinks NY,MJ,JMac,DM and any pick the wiz are willing to offer is worth something. but you're just being particular now, if u don't wanna talk trade that's cool, but i don't see the point i attacking the language without addressing the issue. I asked about potential trade bait and trade partners, u took me to task for not clarifying my use of the word useless. back to basketball.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 9, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Nope. Not even close.

I wasn't "attacking the language." The language was never the issue.

I was (quite clearly) questioning the logic of thinking that some team is going to trade productive young starters (Thornton, Gordon) for a bunch of guys who can't even get off the Wizards' bench and a 2nd round pick. And I still am.

That's the issue and I addressed it head on.

Still waiting for you to do the same.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"James has an expiring $7 mil or so and you make the team take the other player (DMac)for the expiring."

Nice idea in theory, but there's still the issue of getting a player who's actually worth something in return. Teams will be looking to shed payroll, but they won't start off dealing from the top of the deck. They're not giving away productive all-star caliber players for nothing.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Ernie isnt going to consider trading Mcgee this year, no way.

DMac will be playing all Debrick's minutes by the end of the month.

NY has little to no value, thanks in part to the fact Flip wont play him (not that he should).

james' expiring is all we gots of value, it it aint all that

Posted by: divi3 | November 9, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Utilityman1,

Helping the team does not necessarily mean starting or even playing starter's minutes, IMO.

You previously posted a multitude of major problems that would appear to preclude the Wiz from being contenders (overpaid big 3, team lethargy/apathy, Flip not motivating the team, etc.) If they're not contenders, it would be wise to give him some playing time.


Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 9, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

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I am all for that, I sincerely hope Crt can be developed up to his potential.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 9, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm probably in the minority here, but I don't see the need for a trade at this point in the season.

Not that we could make a decent one anyway. But even if we could, I'm not sure I'd support it.

The Wiz have had a run of ill luck. When the Big 3 and the Little Two (Stevenson and Haywood) need to be playing with and learning to mesh with the New Kids (Foye, Miller, Oberto), instead we've got two of them on the bench. It's not the worst injury luck in the NBA, but it's far from the best.

None of that is fatal. I'd remind everyone that it's early yet, but I remember a certain Washington basketball team made a major coaching change after a measly dozen games in 2008.

An idiotic thing to do, unless your main goal was to seize an opportunity to get rid of the old coach -- as it probably was.

Jamison will return soon, and hopefully Miller, too. Arenas is healthy, and back to his old self, criticizing everybody else.

Then maybe they can start learning to play together.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 10, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

nah a trade isn't necessary i was really just speaking for needing to move NY more for NY's sake than anything else. i don't think any major moves need to be made before jan-feb's trade deadline unless we get a major injury to one of our frontcourt contributors. but you're right it's an 82 game season and we're not even 10% in without 2 key starters. i'm definitely willing to give this team 20 games or so playing together before i make a judgement on them or their chances this season.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 10, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

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