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Morning brew

Well, you knew it would take something special for the Wizards to get noticed on a weekend when they played a time zone away and local fans were getting geared up for Dallas Week. And of course, it couldn't be on the court. That would be too easy. How about some locker-room dissension? Yes! It almost needs no introduction, with Michael Lee covering it not only in today's Post, but also in a blog entry we posted last night. Be sure to vote in the poll that comes with said post.

Here's the view from Mike Jones of the Washington Times.

If nothing else, at least Gilbert Arenas isn't shooting at the wrong basket. Yet. (TwitVid courtesy of @jose3030)

(Speaking of the Nets, our Norman Chad wrote a column in which he says New Jersey should aim high: 0-82)

In other Wizards news, Mike Prada of Bullets Forever weighs in on Mike Miller's injury situation, which could be serious. Truth About It takes a look at the curious case of Nick Young. Remember him? He actually started a game this season, at Indiana.

Around the league ...

Six games on the Sunday slate. KG wins it at the buzzer at MSG. The Suns have their way with the Pistons. And out west, the Lakers thrash the Thunder. The full recap, courtesy of NBA.com's Daily Zap:

By Ed Guzman  |  November 23, 2009; 10:45 AM ET
Categories:  Morning brew  | Tags: Brendan Haywood, Gilbert Arenas, Michael Lee, NBA, New Jersey Nets, Norman Chad, Washington Wizards  
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The few athletes on the team(McGee, Nick, D-Mac). The vets aren't athletic(Arenas, Jamison, Butler, Jamison, Haywood)and appear to be passing their primes. Whose fault is it? Ernie has not helped with his draftpicks. He has missed to many times. And when he missed, he missed by a mile. Nick was not a huge miss. OPech was a huge miss when others were available. Re-signing Etan was a huge miss. Resigning Gil was a gamble on his health and I don't blame him for that. Yes there is depth, but are there any 2-way players on the team?

Also, people give Haywood credit, and I do too. He has improved and is playing better. But don't get it twisted. He is the interior version of DeShawn on offense. Opposing defenses don't respect him. It ain't like he commands a double team in the post. I think he thinks he is a lil better than he actually is. This team will not go far until they get a legitimate post threat.

Right now, nobody is dominant(at least offensively). People want to turn Gil into a point guard. What the wizards are missing is his ability to be dominant because Caron never was, Antawn neither. Haywood, please. The only one who has ever been dominant was Gil. Right now he can't be. I wonder if he ever will regain that

Posted by: G-Man11 | November 23, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

We are turning into Clippers East (if we haven't already). Things are not looking good...

Posted by: sargeantmofo | November 23, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Haywood is definitely full of himself but he's playing better than he ever has, so why not?

The play of BH keeps us from losing games which shouldnt be confused with winning games for us.

He shouldnt act like an azz (which he was in that interview) and neither should Gil.

Gil's comments about Caron catching and shooting were telling, because that isnt what Caron is doing but it is what Flip has told us guards should be doing in this offense.

Myriad of problems with this crew, and the only quick fix is for Arenas to start hitting his shots. Bombs away Gil!

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Haywood needs to really stop with the innuendos and sly comments. If you've something to say, why not be a man and just say it. If you think Gilbert's ego is too big, say it. If you think Eddie Jordan's coaching held you back, say it clearly and be done with it.

Posted by: tundey | November 23, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I second that. G-Man,

The core is getting older and even if they are not over the hill, why aren't you noticing that the other teams are OUT PLAYING your team. You can talk about chemistry and offensive flow all you want but you are in denial if you don't see a team that takes bad shots because the KNOW that they cannot CREATE GOOD SHOTS. They are scared and sometimes put up "PLEASE DON'T BLOCK MY SHOT" shots!

This team/area has always been arrogant in reguards to developing your own players. One previous poster wrote "why swing for the fence and draft when you can pick up a servicable vet" LMAO.
So true with this team. The GM and coaches always have show their worth and nobody will put their rep and credentials on the line and BUILD a winner for sustained contention.

They shun young players and have nothing to show for it. Ernie has missed on too many drafts. He is a reluctant drafter. He uses it as a last option.

What do we have against players that can dunk and get up and down the floor with the best of them?

Maybe after this year they will no longer be able hide in complacancy.

Posted by: millineumman | November 23, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

There are plenty of young players on the team, but only Foye seems to get any real PT.

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

"As Arenas spoke, Haywood walked past him to get something to drink and started singing "Ego," a song by R&B diva Beyoncé: "I've got a big ego-o-o," Haywood sang, offering a musical take on comments he made a few minutes earlier"

yeah, that's really helpful.

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

There are young players on the roster but I don't think they give any real consideration to them. Like I said, they reluctantly draft. They would rather trade a pick or pick a Euro and stash him overseas. So when a Nick Young is or maybe a miss, it stands out.
I have also watched them pass on not great players but ones that might help SOME. When you have had as bad a weakness at big man as the Wiz have had. How do you not take a chance on second rounders like Josh Boone or Sean Williams. Not great players but how can they hurt?

i just think they need to stop thinking they are on the cusp of a Championship and start taking chances on more talent.

and oh yeah, NO MORE DEAD LEG PLAYERS

Posted by: millineumman | November 23, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

"He shouldnt act like an azz (which he was in that interview) and neither should Gil."

"Haywood needs to really stop with the innuendos and sly comments."

Exactly. It's the height of hypocrisy for Haywood to accuse someone else of being selfish and anti-team while pulling stuff like that. Much of the interviews he's given since the season started have been about how the new situation/coach is good for him. Contrast that with Arenas at least trying (before now) to say the right things about sacrificing for the team.

Obviously the frustration of losing is starting to boil over and the finger pointing is starting, but no one is doing anything on the court that gives them a free pass from criticism. But if you're inside the circle, there's a right and a wrong way to do it.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 23, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

"There are plenty of young players on the team, but only Foye seems to get any real PT."

He's the only one who's earned it with his play when he's gotten the chance. Young has looked awful whenever he's gotten on the floor, McGee is his usual up-and-down self, alternating a couple of highlight worthy dunks or rejections against stretches of looking lost or confused. With so many bodies at the 4 spot, it's a numbers game and McGuire has gotten squeezed out.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 23, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

When Haywood injured his hand last season there was a chance he could have played but doctors told him he'd be risking arthritic problem down the line etc. When discussing this and his decision to have seasone ending surgery he said:

"At the end of the day it's not about basketball, it's all about BRENDON HAYWOOD."

i'm not going to rag the guy for choosing to get the surgery, but the way he talks screams of someone with an overinflated ego. And stunts like that singing bs are probably why he and etan fought so often and EJ didnt play him.

Now he's publicly insinuating Gil needs to be more like Paul Pierce knowing full well those two have gotten into it for years. Just what the team needs.

Note to BH: start scoring 25 to go long with your boards, or keep your mouth shut.

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Arenas must be pretty thick-headed not to realize it's him by now. Awful field goal percentage, terrible defense, and 4 turnovers a game. Oh, and his fiancee is nailing Shaq on the side.

Posted by: awb9h | November 23, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

This team dissent story is really getting over blown on this message board and by the media. Not much was said by either party.

Posted by: MeviousMan | November 23, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

You know this locker room stuff went on last year and we blamed the players as well.

I did not blame the players, I blamed Tappscott for not having the discipline in the Team. Winners do not tolerate foolishness. Some of this banter borders on foolishness.

If the players themselves do not have the right perspectives on what it takes to be a winner, then the organization/coach better have it.

Because if neither does and especially the coach then, 'we ain't winnin' nuthin.'

'Yawl keep blamin' the playas' all ya' want' ta'.

Let Flip not figure out a way to have this Team playing as a unit, and I mean all of them, including McGee, this season will go down the tubes.

If these comments are as negative as being portrayed, then that tells me there is not unity and comraderie amongst the players.

And guess what folks, UNITY AND COMRADERIE does not begin with the players, it ends with them, but it starts with the coach/organization.

And the only reason why players won't buy into it is because the COACH/ORGANIZATION is not demanding/selling it.

And Kala_rama, you need to get of this kick of players earning a right to play.

Please.

They earned a right to play when the organization signed them to million dollar contracts.

At the rate we determine success and player contribution around here, we won't have to worry about signing our free agents. They all will be looking to sign with other Teams for less money.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 23, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

i'd like to see this lineup next game:

boykins
stevenson
jamison
fabrico
mcgee

bet that'll get some players attention.

Posted by: thickman22 | November 23, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Agent ego. Thank you MICHAEL LEE. Really good stuff.

GIL gets a pass this year. Look how D. WADE played his first year back. NEXT year wil be Agent Zero's defining moment or moments(82+ hopefully).

That said, I go back to my personal premise that ownership has allowed this abortion of a "team" to exist by backing down from GILBERT's ultimatum in the spring of '07. He should have been gone then, and I'm betting he would have if EG had final say-so on a deal. But POLLIN wanted a team built around his talent. He puts fannies in the seats after all.

Unfortunately ABE was influenced by GIL's undoubted charisma and those $$$$ signs lurking behind it.

Not taken into account was an obsessive personality trait which I said here would surely push ARENAS into attempting a comeback before he was ready, with a re-injury occurring.

I said then that it reminded me of LAVAR ARRINGTON's injury, and how "Mr. LB" ruined his career by trying to prepare for play before the injury healed properly.

So we are left with the hope of full recovery by next season, and a center without a new contract for 2010-11 who's having a career year and appears to be issuing an ultimatum of his own, albeit in a much more indirect fashion than GILBERT's in 2007.

It's amazing how that stuff goes around once established as a modus operandi by a pro sports franchise. Thank you Mr. POLLIN for trying to be a genuinely good guy. Remember the old adage: Good guys finish. last.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 23, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

An people though that last season was bad...:(

Posted by: paparulo | November 23, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Jamison and not Haywood made those comments would these people reacted the same. I guess not. Their talk will be something like "That is what leaders/veteran players are".

Posted by: Dave381 | November 23, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"They earned a right to play when the organization signed them to million dollar contracts."

Wrong.

Just. Plain. Wrong.

No one has "a right" to play basketball in the NBA. Everything about it is a privilege that, beyond the money itself, comes with no guarantees.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 23, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

"Look how D. WADE played his first year back"

11 games in DWade was averaging 20pts on 43% shooting and 3.7 TO...Heat were 3-8 and only won 15 games that season.

doesnt bode well for the '09-'10 Zards if it's the proper comparison

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

"I wonder if Jamison and not Haywood made those comments would these people reacted the same. I guess not. Their talk will be something like "That is what leaders/veteran players are".

Guess again.

Leadership is being direct and upfront, like Jamison was in his direct criticism of the young guys when they were more concerned with having fun than getting down to business. What Haywood is doing is childish, passive-aggressive playground nonsense.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 23, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

'I wonder if Jamison and not Haywood made those comments would these people reacted the same. I guess not. Their talk will be something like "That is what leaders/veteran players are".'

If Jamison made those comments it would be behind closed doors, not sung to reporters while strolling by the guy he had an issue with.

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure Gil is gonna get basted for his comments but lets put things in perspective. From Gil's point of view, this team has only been successful when he was scoring a lot of points and 'going for his'. His comments may sound selfish but I think his objective is to win games. There's no financial incentive for him to score a lot of points. If he believes that the best way to win is by him being Agent Zero (and why wouldnt he?) then he's gonna resurrect Agent Zero.

I'm not saying it's right but I can see why he said what he said.

Gil just needs to start making shots and stop talking. Also, Caron needs to step it up.

Posted by: original_mark | November 23, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

As far as BTH goes, I believe that any veteran who's performing has the right to say whatever he wants to say.
That said, Miller, Antawn, BTH not only have the right to speak up but SHOULD speak up. Gil and Caron should just play ball.

In a few weeks, this'll all blow over and we'll be winning games. The immediate need is to find a lineup that will make up for MM being out. He's a big key to this teams' success.

Posted by: original_mark | November 23, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Gil has always mouthed off and always will, i dont think management really cares nor should they as few people take his comments seriously anymore.

Just get buckets, son.

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

unfortunately Larry Bird consistently misses a month of the season or more, so his health could be an issue all year.

Foye will have to step up in a big way.

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Last I checked, the first amendment was still in effect, so everyone has the right to say whatever they want. But if you say something that, on its face, directly undermines and refutes what you claim to be speaking out for, then you should expect to get called for it.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 23, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

This is crazy.
Arenas' comment about "carrying the team on his back" is nothing more than empty bravado, IMO. He's already tried to carry the team on his back with little success. Gilbertology, Part II.
I'm more concerned about Jamison not doing more to quell the discontent brewing between Arenas and Haywood. Sure they're both grown men and can say and do whatever they want, but both see him as the true leader of the team and respect him from most accounts.
GA and BH should be smart enough to know by now that they can't solve their problems through the media. It's a fool's errand.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 23, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Haywood has an inflated value of himself,when EJ was here all he wanted "Brenda" to do was defend the rim and rebound but nooooooo Haywood didn't like EJ's approach whatever! so other staff members told Haywood what EJ had been saying all along and then Haywood was fine, imo Haywood,Blatche and some others are all crybabies, as far as Gil is concerned Saunders is getting a taste of what EJ had to put up with when he was here,i know most of you are tired of me bringing up EJ but at least Jordan had them playing within a system and yes some of the more immature players complained but damn, at least they won. Internal strife is the last thing this team needs,Flip must be wondering "what have i gotten myself into" or better yet "what has Ernie gotten me into".

Posted by: dargregmag | November 23, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"If Jamison made those comments it would be behind closed doors, not sung to reporters while strolling by the guy he had an issue with."

You're kidding, right? AJ was all over the papers with his tirade. In fact I just watched him saying the same thing at MASN just a few days ago.

Since BH is not an all-star (even if he is one of the guys that is playing above their norm) that he just need to shut up and don't comment on other players' performance. You have to have a C on your jersey to have an authority.

Posted by: Dave381 | November 23, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

No one has "a right" to play basketball in the NBA. Everything about it is a privilege that, beyond the money itself, comes with no guarantees

They same with coaching and management. This fake tough old school approach is okay from franchises that get it done. You have to play with the guys that are on your roster. Of course not playing somebody that is a cold bum, but this attitude is the culture here. Im not convinced that everybody is a knuclehead.

Posted by: millineumman | November 23, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Michael Lee,

Can you get Nick Young's perspective on why he isn't playing and find out what he's been doing, if anything, to get in the rotation? Is he putting in extra work before/after practice or is he just biding his time (which is a bad sign, IMO)? What happened to his much talked about "Rip Hamilton" role envisioned in the pre-season?

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 23, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

thx milleniuam man. just b/c AJ and caron saysomeone is immature or not focused,albeit at the age of 20-22 yrs old, and that sticks with a guy his whole contract here to the point where a guy doesn't play and still gets ragged on. 19 wins is what our leadership got us last year, 3-9 right now under the current system of not playing young players (excluding the 1 from last summer's trade, u know the one that can't get healthy).we may wanna look at flip if we're talkin bout knuckleheads. my only NY related comment: flip said he wanted to run him off screens like rip. i'm cool with NY not earning the spot to do this in the game, but it seemed like it would be part of flip's plan to run someone off of screens like rip. it even seemed like part of his system or at least the plan for his system, but it seems that even he is lacking some confidence in his offense.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 23, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Michael Lee,

Can you get Nick Young's perspective on why he isn't playing and find out what he's been doing, if anything, to get in the rotation? Is he putting in extra work before/after practice or is he just biding his time (which is a bad sign, IMO)? What happened to his much talked about "Rip Hamilton" role envisioned in the pre-season?

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 23, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse


i'd be more interested in hearing the coaching staff and his teamates think about his effort in practice and his focus. it seems too simple that we can asses his lack of pt as maturity and focus issues.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 23, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

if you ever want to see NY play again, don't ask Mike Lee to interview him. A single misconstrued comment or smile while discussing losing and he'll be under the doghouse.

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I hate all this locker room BS, usually a sign of a team going nowhere but down the tubes. Not sure how anyone that isn't a cast member of this hardwood soap opera has a clue whose head needs some liposuction.

As far as balling: whether GA, CB or anyone is court selfish may be misreading why these players are jacking up a poor selection of jump shots without much ball movement. When they do try ball movement they execute badly, like they're passing just to prove they can pass the ball.
They obviously have not learned Flip's playbook, or more to the point they've learned it but it hasn't embedded in their unconscious; to be successful at this level it needs to be second nature.

Which brings us back to where we are in the season; that would be too early to write them off but late enough to start to worry. We're approaching the point of no return; either players that haven't played together and Flip's new system start to gel in the next ten games or it goes from bad to worse. It's always darkest before the dawn or just before it goes completely dark.

Posted by: midlevex | November 23, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"They same with coaching and management. "

No, it's not the same. Coaches and GMs are the employers. Players are the employees. The employers get to decide who gets the corner office. Do they sometimes make the wrong decisions? Sure. But it's still their decision to make.

"You have to play with the guys that are on your roster."

Kinda obvious, isn't it? But you don't have to play ALL of the guys on your roster. Again, it's up to the coach to decide who plays and who doesn't. That means he gets to set the criteria that determines whether players deserve to play. If the players don't meet his criteria, they don't play. It doesn't matter what criteria other coaches on other teams use, or what criteria the fans prefer. They don't get a say-so.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 23, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Now, all that being said, I wouldn't have any problem with McGee or McGuire getting more time (I think Young is a lost cause). But I certainly wouldn't be under the illusion that playing those guys is going to result in a sudden turnaround. It'll just be change for the sake of change.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 23, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Flip says we'll see changes in the lineup, maybe we finally see Dom get some well deserved extended PT

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

No, it's not the same. Coaches and GMs are the employers. Players are the employees. The employers get to decide who gets the corner office. Do they sometimes make the wrong decisions? Sure. But it's still their decision to make

Yeah but losing catches up to eveyone eventually. Fans are patient and want for their favorite team to finally achieve something but that good will and benefit of the doubt can even run out for the "Bosses".
They can't hide forever, ask Daniel Snyder.

Posted by: millineumman | November 23, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

coach is an employee just like the players maybe that's where things get screwed up, the coaches perception of themselves. if they think they are the bosses then how do you explain nearly every player form a 19 win team coming back the next year, after 2 coaching changes. and would any roster changes really be for the sake of change or for the sake of being 3-6 and not finding a consitent winning mix?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 23, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

seems like employers are droppin like flies round here the past few yrs (EJ,ET, ACTA,Bowden,Gibbs, Zorn??????) how do all the "employers" end up outta work before the employees??????

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 23, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I am unable to see any clear reason why some of us just are negative on BH.We all know he is not a star,he knows himself very well.He understand his limitations very well.As a vetran player what he said it right.Does it not matter to some off us if jamison said it? we might not like it, for now BH is the only player in the team to do everything right with his limitations.MM injured, AJ is just coming.
The other players are either in prison or unable to discharge their responsiblity.

Posted by: gtefferra | November 23, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

seems like employers are droppin like flies round here the past few yrs (EJ,ET, ACTA,Bowden,Gibbs, Zorn??????) how do all the "employers" end up outta work before the employees??????

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 23, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

They earned a right to play when the organization signed them to million dollar contracts."

Wrong.

Just. Plain. Wrong.

No one has "a right" to play basketball in the NBA. Everything about it is a privilege that, beyond the money itself, comes with no guarantees.

Couldn't agree more k-lo. Good take.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 23, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"GIL gets a pass this year."

NO he does not!

He needs to play up to that $100 mil contract and like right now!

A pass? Why?

My complaints on the Wiz this year are these:

1) Gil is forcing ALL of his shots. He needs to move to the 2 and let someone else run the offense because he just can't(at least right now). He complains too much about not getting fouled. He should be looking for baskets, not assists(yeah I know that's crazy to say, but they need his points not his assists).

2) Caron is at his best when attacking the rim and getting the foul. He turns the ball over too much and throws errant passes when the team starts to get momentum and kills whatever momentum they did have. Drives me nuts. I always pray when he gets the ball on a defensive rebound that a PG is standing next to him and he passes it to him. If no one is near him he always throws crazy long passes to other side of the arena. The rule should be that he gives whatever PG is on the floor the ball. He should be looking for the PG at all times in those situations.

3) Haywood is a beast inside but still gets chumped out by players as big as he is. Shaq is a good example of this. Dunno if that's just a mental thing or what. He's not that boney little kid anymore that he used to be. Blatche is more aggresive then he is. SLAM IT DOWN YOU BIG B*TCH!

4) The Wiz as a team give up WAY TO MANY layups. This has always been a problem, even with EJ as coach. When someone shoots all 5 guys should run back and attack for the rebound. Instead they would rather just watch and hope someone else gets the rebound while running up the court. Then Caron throws it away. This is not acceptable.

*******

Gil gets no pass, screw that. I will say in his defense however that he is finally learning how to be a point guard. EJ never taught him how to do that and Flip/Cassell are finally trying to do that.

Wait until January. If they are still playing like this then EG might want to consider trading Caron or Gil(if they even can). Those two guys just do not seem to play well together and I am not the only one who has noticed it.

Maybe it's just me, but it seems like Flip is playing them both more at different times during the game. Caron seems to be on the floor more with the bench players, and Gil with the starters.

Maybe that's just me....

There's still tons of time left this season, no reason to panic.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | November 23, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Brendan Haywood is a cancer. I thought he was just a soft player. Now I realize, he's a cancer. Ernie should have traded him instead of Etan.

Posted by: Matte | November 23, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

'how do all the "employers" end up outta work before the employees??????'

Organization is on the hook to Gil for what, another $90million or whatever? You pay somebody to be The Man and then he is The Man whether you like it or not.

Star players have had more pull than coaches in the nba for years now, with some noticeable exceptions of course

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

He understand his limitations very well............

This comment was made about BTH. if this were true he would shut up. If this were true he would know that he has been spoonfed most of his points in the paint, from good entry passes from Gil, and if he is having a career year as some of you want to say, part of his scoring has to be attributed to our reluctant pg feeding the vigfella on tha block. but i think we've all seen BTH's head swell along with his career stats(the dome is swelling faster).

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 23, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

all that being said, Matte, i couldn't disagree with you more.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 23, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, it is not good for any player on this team to point fingers.

In addition, I do not think Arenas ought to think about "putting the team on his back." So far, he hasn't shown that he can do it. He has himself blamed his low FT% on tired legs. So how is he going to put the team on his back with his tired legs? Maybe he eventually can regain his form, but not now. I think the team needs to work together to get out of this problems, not individual heroism.

Posted by: sagaliba | November 23, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

@Dave381:
Jamison would not say that to the media. He'd say it direct to whoever was the culprit.

Posted by: Matte | November 23, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

'how do all the "employers" end up outta work before the employees??????'

Organization is on the hook to Gil for what, another $90million or whatever? You pay somebody to be The Man and then he is The Man whether you like it or not.

Star players have had more pull than coaches in the nba for years now, with some noticeable exceptions of course

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

well if that's pretty much common knowledge then who's the knucklehead the star player who tries to do what he's most comfortable doing, of the coach who tries to force said player into his system at the expense of losses? Gil sees playing in Flips offense as a sacrifice to his game.....tell me who goes first again the superstar player or the retread HC?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 23, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"We accepted his idiosyncratic ways when the team was winning and he was playing well, but now his oddities do make you wonder where winning ranks among his basketball desires.

Posted by: 2020doc | November 22, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse "

He's won already, with that max money contract.

That's why he can sit back now and rip his teammates who are trying to get paid also.

Not surprising, because he did the same thing when other dudes were trying to get paid too when he badmouthed them (eg. Okafor, Ben Gordon, Luol Deng, Iguodala, etc.).

At least they were all classy enough to not respond.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 22, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

DC_MAN88 where you at? Now that's one take I agree with. Especially, "He's[ARENAS] won already with that max money contract." Ain't it so, ain't it so. Thank you Mr. DC_MAN88 and thank you Mr. POLLIN.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 23, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"if you ever want to see NY play again, don't ask Mike Lee to interview him. A single misconstrued comment or smile while discussing losing and he'll be under the doghouse."

Funny.

It's not so much wanting to see him play as being curious about how much heart he has. Flip said he didn't have a good grasp of his assignments 3-4 weeks ago and recently Flip has said that others are struggling to grasp everything in terms of execution. So "not fully grasping assignments" may not be the only reason Nick isn't playing.
I thought it would be interesting to see if Nick's just cruising along or if he's doing everything in his power to convince Flip that he's a basketball player. With Mike Miller out now for 4-5 weeks, yet another opportunity is presenting itself to him and if he has an ounce of fight in him, he'll seize it. It's on him.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 23, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that other teams seem to be winning with their young guys playing maojor minutes? How in the heck is Milwaukee winning with their two best players out with injuries? The rookie point guard is nice but he's not scoring 100 points a game. Chralotte won against Atlant with 2 rookies in the back court (Collison and Thorton)

Posted by: ptp23 | November 23, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Gil is going to be ok. He's clearly still explosive. He's getting to the rack. He's not finishing at the rack (or from anywhere else on the floor) the way he used to. But it'll come back. The knee was the question mark, and I think that's fine.

By the all star break we'll be cruising.


IF IF IF ... Flip can keep this group from imploding. Brendan and Gil both need to get penalized for their obnoxious comments. But Haywood started it. And he's got a history of feuding with teammates. Hence my assessment ... cancer.

Posted by: Matte | November 23, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

If Gil could drop 28 a night right now Flip would be all for it, and Arenas is going to have the green light until he proves conclusively he'll never be near the player he once was.

And we're a long ways off from that.

Bottomline is nothing will work until Arenas is again a primary threat that kills you if you dont focus on him. That ability and what it creates is what we paid him for (mainly).

Haywood's childish behavior and overinflated view of himself is probably just angling for his big deal elsewhere- gotta make sure everyone knows he isnt the problem.

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"GA and BH should be smart enough to know by now that they can't solve their problems through the media. It's a fool's errand."

armchairQB:

GA will NEVER learn that, it's his mantra, it sells tickets, and HAYWOOD is in his contract year and needs big $$$$. Plus he's 31 in four days and this contract will be his max deal. For him its now or never.

Right now he's making 6 million not 16 mill+ like GA. Thinking he contributes well with solid play and does care about winning now, it must be galling to see ARENAS' attempts to be what he once was end in frustrating failure.

Not to mention BRENDAN's standing on the FA market when this misery of a season draws to its woeful conclusion if the WIZ win 15 like DWAYNE WADE's MIAMI HEAT did his first year back.

No, it's pretty fair to say HAYWOOD's feeling pretty unappreciated right now, and is plenty sore. I would be, even though I never grossed much more in my business than the league minimum in any year of my financial life. If millions were riding on this season and ARENAS' play. I'd blow off some steam too if things weren't going according to HOYLE.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 23, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"They earned a right to play when the organization signed them to million dollar contracts."

And there you have your problem. It feels like the young players think the same thing.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 23, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I respect McGuire last season. He wanted time and he worked hard and MADE them play him. Blatche seems to have put some work in over this summer. Make it so a coach can't help but to put you on the court.

And I agree...Haywood needs to accept his level of responsibility in this too. Singing Beyonce songs really helps.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 23, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

ArmChairQB,

While others may not grasp FS's system, I think NY has trouble grasping the game, at least at the NBA level.

Posted by: sagaliba | November 23, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

FROM MICHAEL LEE's article of this morning.

[GILBERT ARENAS] "The NBA's a ship. It's going to keep moving. Teams are not waiting for us," Arenas said. "As the captain, I've got to steer my ship. If I've got to steer it to land until everybody wants to jump on, then I'm going to do it. . . ."

Let's see....... "I've"..."my"..."I've"..."I'm"...words that seem pretty egocentric to me.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 23, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

"While others may not grasp FS's system, I think NY has trouble grasping the game, at least at the NBA level."

whoever mentioned NY not getting a chance to fulfill the 'Rip' role makes a great point. However complicated this system may be- hard to see how a natural scorer like NY hasnt gotten a chance to come off these mythical screens and drill midrange Js.

No way he is THAT bad a performer in practice.

But Dom gets no PT either and we know he has the right 'tude.

Gotta pay your dues somehow first I guess

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I like Beyonce songs too, but you wouldn't catch me singing them to Gilbert in the locker room. BTH was doing a good job making his point on the court by playing with effort. Throwing a teammate under the bus doesn't help.

Posted by: jon_quest | November 23, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Matte,

I don't think you can consider "check your ego at the door," or "pass the ball more" as wrong things to say.

But he should have left it at that, his singing during Arenas' interview was definitely inappropriate and wrong; though that may be after Arenas accused FA-to be teammates as having their own agenda. So I am not sure "who started it."

Now, players are pointing fingers, and fans are fanning the fire, this is not good!

Posted by: sagaliba | November 23, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

whoever mentioned NY not getting a chance to fulfill the 'Rip' role makes a great point. However complicated this system may be- hard to see how a natural scorer like NY hasnt gotten a chance to come off these mythical screens and drill midrange Js.

When Nick did get in he didn't do anything. Personally, I was a little disappointed when he said he'd try what the coach wanted but eventually he would go back and do his own thing. I see serious defensive issues...the same ones as usual. It's like he's constantly in cruise control. That hunger from training camp seems gone. I really wish he could pull it together...but he just isn't.

I would have like to see Dom get some clock against Durant. He was perfect for guarding Beasley though...I think he's gonna break his way into the rotation real soon.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 23, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

From what I read, Brendan interviewed first then Gil. It's a team problem. Haywood definitely needs to check his ego as well.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 23, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

well, somebody needs to shoot off these dam* screens! Flip talked like that was a staple of the offense and all we get is CB dribbling in place for 10secs before missing a shot!

*rant over*

Posted by: divi3 | November 23, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

well, somebody needs to shoot off these dam* screens! Flip talked like that was a staple of the offense and all we get is CB dribbling in place for 10 secs before missing a shot!

I feel you...they just look confused on offense.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 23, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"Personally, I was a little disappointed when he said he'd try what the coach wanted but eventually he would go back and do his own thing."

Exactly. And that was in preseason. He just didn't get it and still doesn't.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 23, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

NY is one dimensional with low bball IQ. He doesn't do anything but score. He can't defend, doesn't rebound, and he has no court vision so he rarely if ever passes the ball for assists.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | November 24, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

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