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Morning brew, Sunday edition

Was it really only two weeks ago that the Wizards were 2-1? Yes, yes it was.

The losing streak reached six Saturday night as the Wizards were unable to hold off the Pistons down the stretch, falling 106-103 at Verizon Center. The Wizards are now 2-7 with no letup anytime soon. Washington next faces Cleveland at home, then travels to Oklahoma City and San Antonio.

Michael Lee lays it all out on an eventful, though ultimately frustrating, night for the Wizards in his postgame thoughts. And here's the box score, if you want to mull over some positives, such as the return of Mike Miller, the play of Earl Boykins and so forth.

The Detroit News was also on hand for the game, and here's how they saw it.

As usual, highlights courtesy of NBA.com:

Around the league...

On a busy night that featured just about every other sport in action, the NBA had plenty of notables on its 10-game slate. Standing above all others was rookie Brandon Jennings, who dropped 55 on Golden State in the Bucks' 129-125 win. Here's NBA.com's Daily Zap to get you caught up:


By Ed Guzman  |  November 15, 2009; 7:53 AM ET
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So they are staring at 2-10 by the end of next week, wonder if Ernie will fire his boy after a poor start, if we all remember it was just about a year ago that EJ was sent packing after a 1-10 start and that was with no Arenas and no Haywood nothing against Flip but i'd love to send Ernie out the front door yeah i know leave it be but EJ was given the shaft just like Byron Scott in NO by his know it all GM whose got the gall to appoint himself head coach(LMAO) yeah i'm sure that's gonna work out just fine my point is where do these goofballs get off firing coach's after they are the one's who put together the roster's so when the losing start's then head coach is the scapegoat, unbelieveable. Abe Pollin is sickly and out of touch for the most part so whose running this franchise sadly it's Ernie and I don't see things getting better.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 15, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

It’s amazing what a good dose of reality does to people. Glad to see some people have finally come over to my side (even though they will never admit I was right).

I tried to warn everybody that this team can’t win with Gil as their point guard and how overrated Ernie is. Ernie guy drafted Michael Redd and for that he gets to remain a GM?

Looking at the current roster, if this team is 5-20 after AJ is gets back I see a lot of trouble brewing in the locker room.

Like I’ve said before this team has too many egos and not enough desire to win.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 15, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I saw a great defensive effort from DeSHAWN in the last MIAMI game, great defensive effort. This one not so much. GILBERT doesn't even pretend to play defense. The guy has got to go for this team to function. EARL BOYKINS on defense - plueeze.

This club must have five guys on the floor at the same time who understand the importance of defense. HAYWOOD gets it. BLATCHE is seeing the light. OBERTO tries, but can't function on his own without help defense. D-MAC too. MILLER, great. FOYE not so much. Everybody else is just kidding themselves. Whew. They suck.

Offense wins games when the defense allows it to. Without it, you're just padding individual stats. Offense is for show. Defense is for dough. That era is over in D.C. It died with EDDIE JORDAN. Time to focus on defensive players and reconstitute the team. Get rid of the guards and small forwards who don't play defense first.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 15, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Saw quite a few positives in the game last night that gave me hope for the season assuming Foye and Antawn are eventually healthy and in the rotation.

But to beat a dead horse: ENOUGH DESHAWN.

Last night he comes in during crunchtime as the defensive stopper on Ben Gordon, promptly let's Gordon score in his grill. Ensuing Pistons possession, Stevenson fouls Gordon BEFORE the inbound resulting in the tech and ball for detroit- effectively sealing the loss.

yes, the whole loss cant go on him, but bad things consistently happen when he's on the floor!

I really like what I am seeing from AB! No, he isnt quite bringing it every minute like he should, but his bball iq seems to have doubled and he is consistently effective. If anything, he's not getting enough touches.

Miller is huge for us, does many things well and will be the guy who seems to make the offense flow. Having him, Foye, and Antawn in the lineup will make this a completely different team.


Posted by: divi3 | November 15, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

New blood is needed in D.C. REDSKINS and WIZARDS. Too early to tell with the NATS. A successful BB franchise takes 10 years to perfect, 20 if you make mistakes starting out.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 15, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

People on this board vacillate between two extremes ---either the team is going to win 55 games or its gloom and doom time.

In the past this team always struggles without Jamison in the lineup. Let’s see what happens with him in the lineup for 20 games or so.

If the team continues to tank, then we will have a problem.

I think things are certain to improve with Jamison back.

Don’t forget --- New coach, new system, new players, disruptive injuries to start the season, a difficult schedule, and Gil is returning from a 2 year absence and is having to make all sorts of adjustments.

Posted by: MeviousMan | November 15, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Miller is huge for us, does many things well and will be the guy who seems to make the offense flow. Having him, Foye, and Antawn in the lineup will make this a completely different team.

Posted by: divi3 | November 15, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Man keep saying that over and over. I hope you're right. 'TWAN, MILLER, FOYE - 'TWAN, MILLER, FOYE.

DeBRICK needs the effort I saw throughout the MIAMI tilt, EVERY game. Ain't happenin'. STEVENSON's done. BOYKINS, no. ARENAS, no, CRITTENTON, who knows. No wonder EG's so torked off with him. NY, laughable. JAMES, no. PLEASE. Get some first rate guards in here. FOYE, jury's still out, we'll see.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 15, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

"Arenas is coming off knee surgery, seems to be playing with pain, and in my opinion he is showing a lot of courage. I respect him more this season than ever before. When you see him getting his knees iced up like Michael Jordan in his last couple seasons, that says it all.

That said, I think the Gilbert Arenas experiment is about over -- in the sense that it is clear now that it is too hard to build a championship team around an undersized shooting guard/converted to pg. Time for the Wizards to rebuild in a more conventional way.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | November 15, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse "

Gilby has been coming off knee surgery for the past 3 seasons.

Les BouleS fans have been waiting over 30 years for something of a semblance of a consistent playoff team.

Fans don't pay money to see "pain and courage" that ends up anyway in a loss.

Fans pay to see a well managed team that doesn't make excuses and isn't dysfunctional.

Where the "F" is EG and his bag of excuses now?

Oh, I forgot, his press conferences are useless PR events.

I'm sure somewhere out there, LaSooz is relieved that she doesn't have to dream up/make up stories anymore.

Marketing is hard when your product is garbage.


Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 15, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

What Pistons coach said about his team, opposite is true for the Wizards:

"We have a gutsy group of guys," said coach John Kuester, "What a gutsy win in regards to having a big lead, losing the lead, then playing with a lot of confidence and us not losing our confidence. That's why this is a special group." (For Wizards, if we have a big lead and lost it, we lost is forever. If we were able to come back from behind, doesn't matter, we still would loose it at the end.)

Kuester said, "Our guys are buying into it, understanding they have to take every possession seriously." (Obviousely, this does not apply to the Wizards.)

Posted by: sagaliba | November 15, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

People, people, people- give Gil some time here. If Wade and Amare are any indicators (and they are), Gil wont be all the way back until NEXT season. That's not say he wont play well this season, but it's ludicrous to think he can miss 2 yrs with a bum knee and then step back onto court at an all-star level night in and out.

The issue for this season is digging too big a hole before the wins start coming...and the wins will start coming as Gil improves and our core players are on the floor together.

Posted by: divi3 | November 15, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Questions for the haters:

How do you watch last night's game and not see a solid team when Jamison and Foye are added back into the mix?

Posted by: divi3 | November 15, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Questions for the haters:

How do you watch last night's game and not see a solid team when Jamison and Foye are added back into the mix?

Posted by: divi3 | November 15, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Question for you blind followers:

How do you watch last night's game and see a solid team when Jamison and Foye are added back into the mix considering the Pistons had Hamilton and Prince out?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 15, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

so you dont have any answer? ok, hate away. just dont come crawling back when the team starts winning games.

Posted by: divi3 | November 15, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

All of you can talk all you want about tactical problems, strategies, coach's decisions..... but the main issue here is strictly Management giving average players star money. Now, if 2 people are in the market for a car and they both have to spend $100,000 to buy the best performance car that amount can buy. The first spends that amount on a Ferrari and the second spends that amount on a Honda, who do you think made the best deal??
LA spends $19 million/year on Kobe, Cleveland spends $16 mill on Lebron, Boston spends $19 million on KG, San Antonio spends 19 million on Duncan and the Wiz spends $19 mill/Year on Gil, who do you think the better teams are going to be?
Now, I understand that we didn't really have a chance to acquire any of the aforementioned players but why "settle" for Arenas instead and pay him superstar money? The money is clogging up the cap for the next 5 years and gives us very little mobility because you know, no GM in his right mind will make a trade for GA unless we are getting worse.
If he doesn't accept 8-9 mill/year (which is what he deserves and I am being generous), let him walk and hurt another team. I am guessing Grunfeld didn't learn anything from his Etan's signing.
Also, the prevalent issue is that the future is looking bleak since our "stars" are almost untradeable. So unless our young players learn how to play the game soon enough (Critt and McGee, not NY, he is helpless), we have a few tough years ahead. So talk strategies all you want, players on this team are PAID to contend but they will struggle to even make the playoffs.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 15, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

so you dont have any answer? ok, hate away. just dont come crawling back when the team starts winning games.

Posted by: divi3 | November 15, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

The reason I didn't see a solid team after the Pistons game was becasue basically it's the same players as 3 years ago and that team couldn't get out of the first round.

Yes, they added Foye (who is a Gil clone) and MM but their front line is thinner and it's a new system where Flip wants ball movement and if you know gil he will never accept playing on a team.

Yes, they are going to win some games once AJ and Foye are back, but just becasue they win some games in the regular season doesn't mean they have a shot in the playoffs.

So, at the end of the season when they get knocked out in the 1st round again, don't start complaining about the players, EG, Abe and Flip.

Remain a blind follower to the end which will only come the day Cheap Abe sells the team.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 15, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Didn't the Pistons spend much of the offseason looking to trade Hamilton? Prince they miss, but Rip I'm not so sure.

A very winnable game. Detroit is playing well enough to win, Washington just well enough to lose.

Somebody said the fans vacillate between euphoria and misery. Too true. I look at this team and see one that could double last seasons's win total, once they get their act together and a reasonable semblance of health. Anything above that is for me, gravy.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 15, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

"Somebody said the fans vacillate between euphoria and misery. Too true. I look at this team and see one that could double last seasons's win total, once they get their act together and a reasonable semblance of health. Anything above that is for me, gravy.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 15, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse "

Why would the fans have a reason to feel "euphoric" whenever?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 15, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"People, people, people- give Gil some time here. If Wade and Amare are any indicators (and they are), Gil wont be all the way back until NEXT season. That's not say he wont play well this season, but it's ludicrous to think he can miss 2 yrs with a bum knee and then step back onto court at an all-star level night in and out.

The issue for this season is digging too big a hole before the wins start coming...and the wins will start coming as Gil improves and our core players are on the floor together.

Posted by: divi3 | November 15, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse "

Give him some time?

I think the fans have already given him 3 years.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 15, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, could Nick Young be any worse than DeShawn?

At least opposing 2's will have to chase him around screens and get tired. All Stevenson does on offense is camp out behind the 3-point line. Not exactly a tough cover.

Frankly I don't think Young is that bad of a one-on-one defender. His size and length bothers guys. It's not like Gordon was gonna pass the rock anyways with Charlie V. out on the bench with 6 fouls.

Flip needs to wake up and replace Fab and DSteve with JaVale and Nick. It can't be worse than what we are witnessing now.

Posted by: elfreako | November 15, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Season begins on Wednesday to me. Jamison is back...so you Oberto haters will see less of him and hopefully Foye too...so you DS haters will see less of him. The defense is much improved but these scoring droughts are killing us. They're playing nervous at the end. I saw in the 4th Gil took a quick shot and missed and the next time down when he had a shot he SHOULD have taken...he didnt and gave it to Butler...like he doesnt want to shoot too much. It's 4 on 5 when Fab is in the game. Jamison will space the floor more with his ability to hit jumpers and he brings some low post ability and offensive rebounding. They're 2-8. The season isn't over...LOL

It's funny how some are saying they said the Wizards would struggle out of the gate...but then when they do...all of a sudden the season is over. My prediction of 42-47 wins is still solid. The point is to be playing their best basketball at the END of the season. Not magically have it together at the beginning.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 15, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

i'm not the biggest Stevenson fan BUT he only played 10 minutes! CLEARLY not his fault.

Posted by: Wizbullets88 | November 15, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

i'm not the biggest Stevenson fan BUT he only played 10 minutes! CLEARLY not his fault.

Posted by: Wizbullets88 | November 15, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

They need a scapegoat...let em have it.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 15, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

What are you smoking SDMSTSU?!?

The Kings are winning without Kevin Martin. The Rockets are winning without Yao & McGrady. The Pistons are winning without Rip & Prince.

All over the Assocation teams are going next man up and making it happen.

This blows and I'm not gonna sugar coat it.

Posted by: elfreako | November 15, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

They're winning 10 games into the season. So what? 25-30 games into the season then I'll say it blows. Sp of they win 3 straight are they going to the playoffs? No. It's early.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 15, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to play devil's advocate on this one. Despite the fact that we lost this game, there was actually quite a lot to like about it. Remember, we all knew this was going to be a work in progress.

The Good:

First of all, MM is a "playa." With him in the game, the ball moves. I loved his aggressiveness last night, and I love his heart. I just hope he can stay on the floor all season. Looks to me like they need to shut him down for a minute before his shoulder injury becomes a season-ending one. His basketball IQ is off the charts.

The Caron Butler I saw last night is the Caron I've been waiting for all season. He was aggressive, but he was also passing the ball much more. He also is a playmaker, and he had a couple of really nice assists (remember, he AVERAGED over four assists for the past two seasons). We are a much better team when he moves the ball than when he bogs down the offense with his one-on-one play.

Dray can play (on offense anyway). His basketball IQ seems to be on the rise as well. He seems to know when to make plays, is shooting the ball much better than he has his whole career to-date, and seems to always be in the right place at the right time.

Gil was much more in control of himself, taking what the defense was giving him, rather than try to play one-on-five and "get to the hole whenever he wants to." His play off the ball last night was very encouraging, and an example of what many on this board have been saying -- mainly that he is more of a two-guard than a point guard. He and Boykins on the court at the same time was poetry-in-motion for good stretches of the game.

And then there was Earl.

If this team can score 103 points per game, they are going to win a lot of games. For the most part (save for the end of the game) the offense was jelling last night. There were no problems with the offense in the first quarter, except they could not throw the ball in the ocean, which is going to happen to every team from time to time. They got plenty of good open looks, they just couldn't knock them down (Gil was 0-5 in the first, most of them wide open).

The problems they had were, for the most part, on the defensive side of the ball, which I will address in my next post (the bad).

Posted by: bpybay | November 15, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

The Bad:

Dray was abused by Detroit in the first quarter. He needs to have much better recognition on the defensive end. The weak-side guard continually sealed him off his man (Villanueva) and Detroit worked the ball around to him for wide open looks, which he was knocking down consistently. Dray seemed to always be late in recovery. After the first pick, he should have been aware that it was coming and adjusted accordingly. He never did.

We went to a zone when the score got to 17-9, and our rotations were just plain bad. The weak-side help (especially after Haywood left the game) seemed to have disappeared. DSteve, on a couple of occasions, played his man to the middle, where he got burned because there was no help back there. Detroit's guards were turning the corner seemingly at will and we had no answers for them.

As was mentioned by Mike Lee, it seems that Gil and Caron are beginning to have some chemistry problems. That could become a poison that could infect this team. I am in complete agreement that they need their spiritual leader (AJ) on the court. He obviously is MUCH more valuable than just for his scoring/rebounding prowess.

All these problems are correctable, and I, for one, believe they will be corrected. ALL of them. In short, there is a lot of reason for hope with this team, despite the fact that we can't seem to put it all together right now.

I am encouraged.

Posted by: bpybay | November 15, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Addendum: There was a stretch in the third quarter where we finally put it all together. Unfortunately, we could not sustain it.

The flashes of greatness remind me of the potential of this team. We're gonna be okay. Don't give up on this team.

Posted by: bpybay | November 15, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

It's only november. They'll turn it around, once Antawn and Foye are back, and the core guys get used to playing together. We've been getting solid performances from Blatche

Posted by: pjkiger1 | November 15, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Losing close games at home in the final minute is coaching.

These home losses are on Flip more than anything. They should have at least won one of the games vs. Miami or Detroit.

Trust your young players. Who knows they might surprise you. In a good way.`

Posted by: elfreako | November 15, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

The Kings are winning without Kevin Martin. The Rockets are winning without Yao & McGrady. The Pistons are winning without Rip & Prince.

All over the Assocation teams are going next man up and making it happen.

This blows and I'm not gonna sugar coat it.

Posted by: elfreako | November 15, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

After the first quarter of the MLB season, the Kansas City Royals were in first place in the AL West and everybody was talking about how great they looked. By the end of the season they had, as usual, lost almost 100 games.

Every team has its stretches. Some come early, some come late, some in-between. The Nationals had a five or six game winning streak during the season and lost over 100 games.

I wouldn't make too much of the fact that bad teams may be having good stretches right now. We'll see where they end up at the end. We're only nine games into the season. By the end of the season, we'll be there.

Posted by: bpybay | November 15, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

we've also had one of the toughest schedules in league so far, while we've had these key players out and are adjusting to all the new.

excuses? no, just reason not be shi%canning this season 10 games in.

Posted by: divi3 | November 15, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Nah...let em have it...We played Miami twice, Cleveland, Atlanta, Dallas, Indiana (who beat Boston) and Phoenix...

the only cupcake was New Jersey...although I still think we have to beat team like Detroit and Indy.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 15, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Excuses excuses - all I hear is excuses. There is no excuse for the wizards not winning more than 2 games at this point. Excuses is not one of them, but reasons are.
They are not playing as a team, too many worried about their stats, poor conditioning, etc. DeS defense - commits afoul before the ball is in bound.

Saunders play book must be real complicated when Boykin can come in and in 2 days play and score 20 points. NY still has not mastered it.

If this team wins 30 games I will become a Redskin fan!

Posted by: NewbillJT | November 15, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Who honestly thought the Redskins would win 3 games before the Wizards?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 15, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

They are not playing as a team, too many worried about their stats ...

Posted by: NewbillJT | November 15, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't disagree with those two points. They can (and will, IMO) be corrected.

Posted by: bpybay | November 15, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Caron appears to have lost a step and is not nearly as athletic as he was a year ago. Is his knee bothering him or is his hip causing him some problems? Something doesn't appear right to me. He can't get by his man and is therefore drawing a lot of charges. He's also missing a lot of dunks. If he's got decent trade value, he is the guy who should be moved b/c 3s are a dime-a-dozen.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | November 15, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

divi9 and bulletsfan78:

Questions for the haters:

How do you watch last night's game and not see a solid team when Jamison and Foye are added back into the mix?

Question for you blind followers:

How do you watch last night's game and see a solid team when Jamison and Foye are added back into the mix considering the Pistons had Hamilton and Prince out?

Nice. YOU GUYS SHOULD DO STAND-UP. Cool

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 15, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Who honestly thought the Redskins would win 3 games before the Wizards?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 15, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

TOO COOL!!!!

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 15, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I thought MILLER back definitely gave the "ZARDS a boost last game. If STEVENSON had played like he did against MIAMI, we would have won the DETROIT game.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 15, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

"Seriously, could Nick Young be any worse than DeShawn?"

-------------------------------------------

Yes.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 15, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

This group of Wizzies needs to get together. There is no TEAM play on O or D.
AB has some early success and thinks he can make any shot, those 20 foot jumpers look good when the go in but when he shoots them early in the play clock and misses it kills us. And that usually happens after he makes a couple of nice plays.

The D in the last Q killed us. GA,EB & DS got abused by Bynum, Stucky & Gordon as they turned the corner on them like they were wearing lead shoes and either finished or passed for an assist.
EB was a nice switch up but it just goes to show how desperate we are that he had to play such heavy minutes after being with the team for only a couple a days.
Don't look for AJ to provide the missing ingredient to make this a functioning TEAM it's gonna take some time to get everyone on the same page.


Posted by: VBFan | November 15, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Team definitely looks out of whack. Gil is still rusty and out of sync, I think he is trying to figure out how and when to facilitate.

The health issues clearly have had us undermanned. We will have better feel for the team, after 15 games if AJ can return and the core can stay healthy. I am not ready to panic. With these health issue this start is very understandable.

The big 3 don't have to be what they once were. We now have MM, a better Haywood and better Blatche. The chemistry issue, finding their comfort in lesser roles is the big issue. I think coaching an AJ as vet leader will make a difference.

I still stand by my statement that Gil needs to look to get others involved. But if Boykins actually is a keeper, and i have no reason to believer he is not, and he plays 15 minutes a game, then my 10 assists per game desire for Gil may drop to 8 because he will be playing those minutes as the 2 guard rather than at the point.

Main point- we are a team searching for a new identity while going through major nagging injuries against a tough schedule. Patience people. Unless frustration in the locker room gets out of hand they can right the ship.

Bmore Rev

Posted by: stanlong23 | November 15, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Undermanned? How weak the excuse!

The starting lineup is really hurting just one full time starter...two all stars and a solid center.

They lost to some teams that were "undermanned" also. What were their excuses?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 15, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

the wiz are who we thought they were. they were non-athletic under jordan and they're still non-athletic. why all the shock and disbelief? rest assured they'll scratch and claw to get in the playoffs then promptly lose in the first round and everybody can say wait til next year. and we can do it all over again.

Posted by: tgif11 | November 15, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Arm Chair is on meth.

NY is a career 36% 3-point shooter and is a more than respectable 84% from the line.

Raise your hand if you think Nick would have missed BOTH FTs like DeBrick did against the Heat at home in the final minute.

Flip should be going offense/defense sub out with Dom and Nick down the stretch. Dom is a way better defender than DeBrick and Nick will at the very least be more than a decoy on offense.

Please Flip: End the abortion known as DeShawn Stevenson.

Posted by: elfreako | November 15, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

All of the wailing and teeth gnashing is making my head hurt.

The Wizards actually played pretty well against Detroit, despite coming up short. When they get all their pieces back, they should have the chance to be pretty good. Contender good? no. But we already knew that, right?

"Didn't the Pistons spend much of the offseason looking to trade Hamilton? "

Not that I'm aware of. There was speculation that Hamilton would get traded (I still think this is likely his last season in Detroit) but I don't recall reading anything suggesting they were actively shopping him.

"How do you watch last night's game and see a solid team when Jamison and Foye are added back into the mix considering the Pistons had Hamilton and Prince out?"

What does the Pistons missing Hamilton and Prince have to do with how good the Wizards will be when Jamison and Foye come back? Two completely unrelated things.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 15, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

It's about getting an undermanned squad to compete harder in this league. The Rockets are giving the Lakers fits right now.

The credit must go to Rick Adelman for playing guys you've never heard of and allowing them to max out their capabilities.

Every team made changes to their roster and many of them have new coaches as well. If the Wiz get 10 games below .500 the 2nd round of the playoffs is a pipe dream. That hole will be too big to dig.

I want to see urgency and execution.

Posted by: elfreako | November 15, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

"The big 3 don't have to be what they once were. "

I agree with much of everything else you said, Bmore Rev, but I have to take issue with this. It's great that they (finally!) have some depth. But that depth is there to support the Big 3, not supplant them. None of the guys in support are good enough to be lead players, so if the Big 3 slip significantly, it's going to be 1 step forward 2 steps back. They need Arenas, Jamison, and Caron to play with the same power and energy (if not necessarily achieving the same numbers) as they did at their "height." Otherwise, the new guys won't be enough to propel this team past where they've always ended up.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 16, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Well, this dude is scoring in bunches and his team is 5-2. What would be the argument on how he would have helped Les BouleS if we had drafted him?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3997

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 16, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

elfreako,

Those are decent career stats you listed for Nick.
What's his FG percentage this year? I'll help you: 21.1%. That number is a direct reflection of his shot selection. The only reason to put Nick in the game is for offense and he's been abysmal. He has little other redeeming qualities. He's not a defender, not a playmaker (he has zero, that's right ZERO assists), and is therefore literally the last man on the bench. Flip challenged Young to become a basketball player and so far his resolve and results have been, to be kind, underwhelming. If Flip could trust him more often than not to do what he's supposed do when he's supposed to do it, he'd be playing. If Nick were outplaying DS, we'd all be happy because he has the physical tools to be a player, but it's not all about the physical, is it?

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 16, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

fellas...the wiz are just not that good right now...it's not rocket science...it's plain and simple...ga is dealing with adjustment problems after not really playing nba level ball for almost 2 years (not to mention his "at home" situation-whats up with that? true or false mike lee? get the real on that...enquiring minds want to know :-)...caron needs to go back on the dew! (jus kidding)...i just don't think it's wise for him and ga to start animosity in the paper (just will boil up into one more thing the team will have to deal with/overcome)...antwans' leadership qualities will help but he will not raise them to a 3-4 spot in this conference (see heat/hawks)...new coach, new system, new key players...all of this is asking a whole lot from a team that is at best a 6-8 team in the east...they will get wins/should make the playoffs...the wiz have the talent for a 6-8 spot (first round exit though :-(...gil is the most talented player on the team but he truly is not ready to "rise" up (no fault of his own-just physically and mentally gil is not ready to lead- ask flip)...i still think that once they get aj back they will struggle but wins/losses should start to even out...the wiz biggest issue is mental focus...they lose games in the fourth quarter...thats coaching and conditioning but stay tuned...it can't get any worse...can it?

Posted by: ronniecope106 | November 16, 2009 4:36 AM | Report abuse

I don't remember a problem with the offense before Gil was injured. The media and naysayers wanted to turn Gil into a pure point guard. Now you want to sit hear and throw Gil out with the trash because he is not a true point guard. How many pure point guards won a ring in the last 15 years? Stockton? No! Nash? No! CP3? No!

The main problems with Gil is rust and confusion. Will he get rid of all the rust? I don't know. He obviously needs to get used to the pace of the game during the latter stages of the game because he was one of the best 4th quarter players in the league.

Then Caron has no role because he is not a catch and shoot. What he should be is the garbage player, playing d, rebounding, and scoring when he can get isolated on his man. Jamison should be the second option on offense after Gil with Miller being the catch and shooter. I am glad to see Miller finally starting to shoot more when open. He passed up too many shots before he got hurt this year. Brendan should get some touches too, but let Gil be Gil.

Also, Oberto has been ok, but with Jamison back, he will see limited minutes with Blatche backing up Jamison. Blatche has been one of our better players this year. Oberto has been what he is, a third stringer starting, but should not be starting. Jamison being out created a domino effect in the front line.

Posted by: G-Man11 | November 16, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Raise your hand if you think Nick would have missed BOTH FTs like DeBrick did against the Heat at home in the final minute.

The difference is: Nick probably would've given up 10 more points and would have never been on the line because instead of going to the basket he would've taken a contested fadeaway jumper.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | November 16, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

yall gotta get away from this DS sefense angle, he got a lot of D Wades 80+ points in the past 2 meetings put on his head. He couldn't keep Will Bynum in front of him and commited a critical away from the ball foul in the last minute (low B-Ball IQ?? u gotta know tha rules). There has to be a value in being able to contribute on both ends of the court. All yall DS lovers can go 'head with that, dude is terrible.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 16, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

"defense angle"

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | November 16, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

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