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Pistons (4-4) at Wizards (2-6); Return of Agent Zero?

Wizards starters: Gilbert Arenas, Mike Miller, Caron Butler, Andray Blatche, Brendan Haywood

Pistons: Rodney Stuckey, Ben Gordon, Jonas Jerebko, Charlie Villanueva, Ben Wallace

Line: Wizards by 3½

Gilbert Arenas had an announcement to make as walked through the locker room on Saturday. Arenas lifted his headphones from his ears, smiled and proclaimed, "I'm Zero. I'm not Gilbert no more."

"Gilbert's not working out," said Arenas, who claimed that he retired his Agent Zero and Hibachi personas on media day.

Asked why he decided to go back to Agent Zero, Arenas said, "It ain't working if we lost five in a row. Coach told me he didn't want the angry man no more. So, he's back."

Arenas's personal trainer, Tim Grover, is in town visiting him during this long home stand. Grover walked into the locker room, tapped Arenas on the shoulder and said, "Let's go, Hibachi."

Arenas nodded, and they went to the weight room.

Mike Miller was getting dressed at a nearby locker stall and was grinning when he heard Arenas respond to the name, "Hibachi."

"I've been waiting on Hibachi all year," Miller said.

DeShawn Stevenson said on media day that he didn't think Arenas would be able to keep up his mad-at-the-world attitude for an entire season. When he heard that the Hibachi was back, he said, "I told you it wouldn't last."

It lasted eight games. Or less. Arenas certainly appeared to bring back his Hibachi pose --- palms up, hands moving side to side --- after making a long jump shot against Phoenix. Stevenson said he did the same move in Atlanta, when he started out the first quarter of that game on fire. Of course, the Wizards lost both games.

Antawn Jamison's much anticipated debut will have to wait at least one more game. He was unable to participate in the morning shootaround because of an illness that has knocked him out for the past few days.

Miller is back after missing the past three days with a sprained left shoulder. Miller said that he was going to tough it out despite the pain. "To be honest with you, it's one of the worst ones I had, the shoulder," Miller said. "I didn't expect that, but you know, it's a fun pain."

Detroit Pistons guard Richard Hamilton missed his eighth consecutive game with a sprained right ankle. Before the game, he said that a year away from Flip Saunders helped him gain a greater appreciation for him. The Pistons won 59 games in Saunders's final season in Detroit.

"I told him that," Hamilton said. "Having him here, and then having Michael Curry, it was like night and day. It was like, 'Yo, Flip, man, you were great at what you did.' You really appreciate what he brought to the team and how he made the game easy. And how he allowed you to go out there and make plays."

By Michael Lee  |  November 14, 2009; 6:37 PM ET
 
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Comments

Les BouleS should win easily tonight with Rip and Tayshaun out.

BTW, did people not get the memo?

Gilby has retired blogging, Agent Zero, Hibachi, etc.

Get off that already.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 14, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, just read the report above.

Gilby needs to make up his mind and stop Flip flopping.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 14, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Arenas said, "It ain't working if we lost five in a row.

Gil,

Agent Zero never worked either, don't you remember all of the 1st round losses?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 14, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Or you could quit acting like you know (or care) anything about basketball and the Wizards in particular.

Posted by: Blurred | November 14, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey what site can I see the chargers play? I think it starts with a H... if you know the site do you think you will be able to see the fight?

Posted by: WaynefromBowie | November 14, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

BTW...Arenas will drop 42 points and dish out 7 dimes tonight...just a hunch!

Posted by: WaynefromBowie | November 14, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Alright I've seen enough...

FIRE FLIP SAUNDERS

Posted by: amorris525 | November 14, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

villanueva's giving us the business! he can't stay this hot. can he???

Posted by: tgif11 | November 14, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

"Or you could quit acting like you know (or care) anything about basketball and the Wizards in particular.

Posted by: Blurred | November 14, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse "

Sorry, I don't want to be like you.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 14, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

energizer mcgee is in the game. let's see what he brings tonight.

Posted by: tgif11 | November 14, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

"energizer mcgee is in the game. let's see what he brings tonight.

Posted by: tgif11 | November 14, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse "

Huffing and puffing to 2 quick fouls.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 14, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Gil,

If you lose the next 5 as Agent 0 will you please study some games of how a real point guard should play?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 14, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Gilby's game in a nutshell...right before the half...

He gets torched by Stuckey with a drive to the basket as Gilby looks and prays for help, and then right before the 1/2, he throws up a bailout long distance shot and makes it.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 14, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

damn, how quick is will bynum? who is will bynum?!

Posted by: tgif11 | November 14, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

This team is so frustrating. Dumbest plays at the worst times. Haywood traveling standing there holding the ball.

Where is Blatche? Playing one of his best all-around games ever and no 4th quarter mins??? C'mon.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 14, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Arenas keeps blowing games! How many times do we need to see this before we go away from him? He is obviously not the same player at least not yet and sadly he doesn't realize it.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 14, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

The Zards have no rhythm or tempo in their offense.

Posted by: bozomoeman | November 14, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

DeBrick makes a stupid off the ball foul before the inbounds pass. BALLGAME!
WHY IS THIS A$$HULL STILL IN THE NBA?

Posted by: whatyoutalkinboutman | November 14, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Near the end of the game, this team is trying very hard to ... FIND A WAY TO LOOSE!!!

Posted by: sagaliba | November 14, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

A real heartstomper. I know Blatche was gassed at the end of the third quarter, but 4 or 5 game minutes should have been more than enough instead of NINE minutes.
The Wiz shared the ball and looked like a team on offense, but the best player on the Wiz tonight was Blatche and he sat too long. Too bad Flip didn't recognize it.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 14, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

ok they suck as much as they did last year... this team just melts down in the final minutes.. they can't do anything right. arenas keeps turning the ball over when the game is on the line!!

Posted by: rachel216 | November 14, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert i a pretender. He will remind you of the girl that's always making promises, but never puts out. How many jump shots versus drives to the basket. He got inflated assist on fast break layups. Mr agent zero is a ZERO..

Posted by: specialg7master | November 14, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

It should have never come down to that play. Once again, GA has critical turnovers and misses down the stretch. If this is what he is now, it will be a long season. Hell, 20 pts from Miller and Boykins each with double digits from Blatche and Haywood and we still lose to Detroit!!! Sad sad sad. Arenas and Butler are lost. Not good enough!

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 14, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

it does not look like this team will win 30 games, that will be one of the most disappointing seasons in nba history...I wish Daniel Snyder would buy the wizards at least he is in a race to the bottom with abe pollin at least this would make it official.

Posted by: smc635 | November 14, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

@ArmChair,

Have to agree that Blatche was the best all-around player on the team tonight. I too was dumbfounded that he sat virtually the entire 4th quarter. Made no sense to me either. But, generally, this game was lost bc their "stars" outplayed our "stars".

I also think considering the competition it might have been our worst defensive effort. Villanueva, Gordon, and Will Bynum torched us and all three outplayed Arenas and/or Butler.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 14, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

These are must win games at home. Wizards are in jeopardy of no playoffs. The next 3 games will be tough...CLE, @OKC, @SA. Could very well be looking at 2-10.

Posted by: t-train | November 14, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

How can Dewayne Wayde dominate games with no other big stars on the team? Gilbert needs AJ and CB to win and he wants to be considered a SUPERSTAR?? A point guard drives to the basket (Penetration)!!

Posted by: specialg7master | November 14, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

They did show some definite improvement tonight. I hope they can build on this as they start getting some of their better players back.

Posted by: cannontl | November 14, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Lately, whenever Gil thinks he needs to put the team on his back and drive to the basket, he turned the ball over and killed the team's chance of winning.

Oberto cannot stop anybody from going to the basket, other than fouling him. We need to play McGee more. Although at tonight's rate, he picked up 3 fouls in 3 minutes, he will be fouling out in 6 minutes! LOL sadly!

Posted by: sagaliba | November 14, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

It's hard to believe that at this point I would rather see a play run for either Blatche or Miller in the final minutes than Arenas or Butler.

Arenas played ok for an $111 million, but Butler is.... I don't know. He passes up the open shots in the flow to force action that usually results in A) A more difficult shot than he had originally or B) A turnover.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 14, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

@cannon,

It may have been an improvement, but with everyone back in the lineup except Jamison and Detroit playing without Prince/Hamilton. It simply is not good enough. Starting to wonder if we make the playoffs. 2-8 not a good start to the season!

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 14, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Im also glad to see Gil go back to Agent 0. Thats one big worry I had coming into the year. I definatly wanted him to be more serious like Lebron, Wade, Kobe and others but I didnt want him to be so serious that he's wound up all the time and doesnt celebrate anymore. I always think about Sean Taylor. I think it was his 3rd year. He was a beast the first 2 years and I remember thinking how the 3rd year is when you really see guys take the jump and he's going to be a monster. Well our whole D sucked that year and one thing that always stood out to me was that he was acting totally different. Just like Gil, I loved the fact that he was maturing, watching film now, and taking the game way more serious but then there's a point where you draw the line. He always celebrated after big hits and get excited. That year he would just always not do anything and have a regular look on his face after a big play and walk back to the huddle. I honestly think it hurt his play. The next year he again celebrated after great plays and was jumping up & down and started to dominate again. Thats why I like Gil going back to Hibachi. You can still keep all the scouting things and not being friendly with guys on the court because that helps but you also have to be yourself and if you have an outgoing personality then you shouldnt lose that

Posted by: dlts20 | November 14, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

"But, generally, this game was lost bc their "stars" outplayed our "stars".
I also think considering the competition it might have been our worst defensive effort. Villanueva, Gordon, and Will Bynum torched us and all three outplayed Arenas and/or Butler."

Agree, rphilli721. Arenas and Butler made the effort, but Det's guys were unquestionably better.
Our perimeter defense was as bad as I've seen it this year. Bynum, especially, made Arenas, Boykins and Stevenson look slow. We finally got a (nearly) complete performance from the offense and the defense dropped down a notch or two. Frustrating.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 14, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Foye also did not play tonight.

I still maintain that it is early yet. Flip is a very successful coach in this league with a good track record. The Wiz have good players who are still learning to play with each other in a new system.

Most of the Wiz have played the last 3-4 years in a different offense. That is one reason Caron has not found his comfort level. We all know about Gil.

If we are 20-30 games into the season and we are still playing games like this, then I will wonder about how successful this team can be. Right now, I'm not.

Posted by: cannontl | November 14, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

OK, so the Hibachi/Agent Zero moniker is being used now and what happened?

The team was almost at full strength while Detroit was missing both Rip and Tayshaun, and what happened?

I called it during the offseason when I said Les BouleS should have pursued Charlie V. How is Fabricio "The Missing Link" Oberto working so far?

How can Gilby only shoot 2 FT's in a game?

Ben "Air" Gordon, whom Gilby trashed during the offseason, proved his worth.

Earl the Pearl Boykins came from nowhere to help the team and the curse still lives? Boykins will stay on this team....who's going to come with the mystery injury to make room for him?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 14, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

So I see from the article that HAMILTON is lobbying to return to D.C. "We love you too much FLIP." Yeah-h-h-h.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 14, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Gil,

If you lose the next 5 as Agent 0 will you please study some games of how a real point guard should play?

Getting beat on that dribble drive, put the nerxt to last nail in the coffin tonight. DeSHAWN's defense cost us the game - twice. First on a floater in the lane and then the foul on the subsequent trip down the floor. Jeeze, can we get somebody in the backcourt that plays defense first?.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 14, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Earl the Pearl is clearly an offensive spark.

Earl the Pearl is also clearly a defensive liability.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 14, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Les BouleS have a lot of weapons in the backcourt.

What's missing to elevate the team to the next level is a low post player who has a reliable go to shot when you need it.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 14, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

@cannon,

I agree with all that you say, but if this start is not making you "wonder" already.... well. I don't know. I am definitely wondering. I just can't believe the way Blatche and Haywood are playing we are this bad. Had they played like this a few years ago we could have made the Conference Finals, now we are losing and wasting their efforts. I also consider Boykins effort to nullify missing Foye. I actually doubt Foye would have scored 20 against Detroit. Then again, he would have been a better matchup for Bynum.

As far as a new system is concerned, aren't Haywood and Blatche and Miller and BOYKINS playing in the same new system??? Ok...then why are our supposed stars slower to produce in it than our role players???

And, I don't understand Oberto in this game. I know McGee picked up fouls like crazy, but don't you think at the end of the third when we lost our momentum and lead that McGee could have bothered and/or tracked Bynum better coming off the edge. I think that's a no-brainer mistake by FS. I think the game was lost right there. 10-12 easy points for Detroit.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 14, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

@DCMANN,

Yeah, the Wizards and about 25 other teams in the league are looking for that same low post presence. Thx Captain Obvious!

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 14, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

"What's missing to elevate the team to the next level is a low post player who has a reliable go to shot when you need it."

That would be nice DC, but Detroit just beat the Wiz without that. Then again if your guards are quick enough to make the other team's guards look like they're wearing lead shoes, you don't need the low-post presence. Nevermind.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 14, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

ANTIQUE SILVER LUSTER set

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 14, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

ARENAS and STEVENSON

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 14, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Jennings had 53 points tonight i think we could have used him this season

Posted by: anacostia85 | November 14, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Jennings has scored 53!!!! points that's right FIFTY THREE POINTS AS THE BUCKS ARE TRYING TO HANG ON AND BEAT THE WARRIORS THIS KID AIN'T NUTHIN BUT THE TRUTH,BUT.............Luke Ridenour has just missed a free throw to leave the door open for Gol.St. Looks like the Bucks are going to win.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 14, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

55 points 5 assists and 5 rebounds thanks Ernie we don't need that on the Wiz LOL

Posted by: anacostia85 | November 14, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

"As far as a new system is concerned, aren't Haywood and Blatche and Miller and BOYKINS playing in the same new system??? Ok...then why are our supposed stars slower to produce in it than our role players???"

Million dollar question, rphilli721.

Maybe they're not stars (gasp) after all. This might be a very long season indeed.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 14, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

"That would be nice DC, but Detroit just beat the Wiz without that. Then again if your guards are quick enough to make the other team's guards look like they're wearing lead shoes, you don't need the low-post presence. Nevermind.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 14, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse "

That's b/c the Pistons were attacking the basket.

Les BouleS were settling for long J's.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 14, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

I think Brandon Jennings was rated the best or second-best PG coming ot of high school. He went overseas for one year and struggled (playing as mostly a 2 guard) and people soured on him. Talent "evaluators"!!

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 14, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Okay here we go......... now we can't beat a team that is playing without two of it's mainstay's(Hamilton&Prince,not the singer)and Agent Zero had better realize that he's not gonna get a foul call when he drives to the hoop(hey bro they ain't gonna call it so just stop it!!)i'm beginning to think he doesn't have confidence in his jumper or it's the knee that doesn't allow him that lift,anyway like stated in an earlier post a couple of days ago 25 games and then we'll see.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 14, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Return of Agent Zero?

Who cares if the Wizards win (not Abe) did Gil (I'm sorry Agent Zero) throw his jersey into the stands?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 14, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

cannontl said " still maintain that it is early yet. Flip is a very successful coach in this league with a good track record. The Wiz have good players who are still learning to play with each other in a new system.

Most of the Wiz have played the last 3-4 years in a different offense. That is one reason Caron has not found his comfort level. We all know about Gil
".

Thing is, Detroit has about 7 new players, new system, new coach, and two starters injured. Yet they can find ways to win.

These Wizards seem snake bitten. At first Gil talks about how much better this offense is. How its easy to learn. He complained about how with the Princeton, young guys had problems picking it up during training camps, while vets stood around (while the young uns were being taught ... maybe the vets should have taken that opportunity to tighten up their defense). He mentioned how with the ball in his hands most of the time in this offense, things flow easier. Yeah, hows that working out. Seems like the flow comes from Miller, and now Earl.

I still think the wiz will pull out of this funk, maybe when AJ returns. But right now, it sucks to be a Wizards fan. Actually ... Change that! It sucks to be a Washington DC area sports fan!!!

Posted by: original2cents | November 14, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Safe to say he is the front runner for ROY. Wow, he was so pedestrian overseas. I'm sure I am not the only one surprised. He already has a triple double too I believe and not one that involves turnovers.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 14, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Two points:

* Brandon Jennings scoring big doesn't mean anything when we have a big time scorer who hasn't won anything.

* The Gilby of old vs. the Gilby of now is that the latter does not finish strong anymore. He's clearly much lighter/thinner now, and isn't looking to get hammered. Also, with the 3 knee surgeries, he doesn't (or hasn't) finished above the rim anymore. He's not fearless like he used to be.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 14, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

One piece of good news (pun intended)...

There was some seriously hot tail on TV being flaunted by the Les BouleS cheerleaders.

Gilby...sorry for his relationship issues, but with 150+ mil in the bank....can't feel too sorry for him with all that tail available for his personal use.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 14, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

"And, I don't understand Oberto in this game. I know McGee picked up fouls like crazy, but don't you think at the end of the third when we lost our momentum and lead that McGee could have bothered and/or tracked Bynum better coming off the edge. I think that's a no-brainer mistake by FS. I think the game was lost right there. 10-12 easy points for Detroit."

Given his generally difficulties with defensive positioning, McGee would have made minimal difference. It's pretty clear the big guys around the basket don't bother Bynum in the least. They're just targets to him. McGee likely would have just picked up a couple of more fouls and sent Bynum to the line for more easy points. When it comes to help defense on a quick guard, anticipation, court awareness, and being in the right place at the right time are all more important elements for a big man than pure speed. McGee still struggles in all areas.

As a Pistons fan, however, I can't be too broken up over the results. The more I see of Detroit, the more convinced I become that it's only a matter of time before Stuckey gets moved to the shooting/combo guard spot and Bynum gets the starting PG role. Stuckey's a real good player, but the team operates better with Bynum orchestrating the offense.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 14, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

I see someone who clearly doesn't have the same burst. He had it the first game and it has not reappeared since. Don't know if that was just adrenaline the first game, but I thought he was back. Since, he doesn't get the same separation on his drives or on his jump shots. Every jump shot he takes now with a defender around I get the feeling he is going to get his shot blocked - I think he feels the same as his shooting percentage is lousy.

Sad. It's a fine line between being an elite player and just another pretty good professional player. Too bad he cost us $111 million. Thankfully, he gave us the 20 million dollar discount...lmao.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 14, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

And, I don't understand Oberto in this game. I know McGee picked up fouls like crazy, but don't you think at the end of the third when we lost our momentum and lead that McGee could have bothered and/or tracked Bynum better coming off the edge. I think that's a no-brainer mistake by FS. I think the game was lost right there. 10-12 easy points for Detroit.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 14, 2009 10:47 PM

Did not see the game from my usual confines but what I did see I liked even though some of our usual mistakes killed us again.

RPhilli721, what you stated above I noticed also. We come back in the third Q and get a 10 point lead and promptly put Oberto in the game and lose it all at the end except for two points.

Talk about killing momentum, Oberto cannot be continued to be force fed with this Team. The UpTemPo style that we used to forge a ten point lead fit the style of Javale McGee and he should have been the one inserted into the game as a big man substitute. Why is Saunders afraid to let it ride when it comes to McGee.

McGee is one of the best prospects in the entire National Basketball Association and I dare anyone to dispute that. Anyone. And for him to not get measureable playing time on this team is absolutely ridiculous.

You have got to give this man a chance to play through his mistakes. His upside is to damn good not to. The veteran play of Oberto is a joke at this point because we lost this game in the 3rd quarter when we lost that 10 point lead once Oberto was inserted into the game.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 14, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Larry,

Come on now...Ernie had his eye on Oberto once he got cut from Detroit and everyone knows Ernie is a basketball genius...remember he drafted Michael Redd about 20 years ago?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 14, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Didn't see the game. How come Boykins played 30 minutes and only got 3 or 4 assists? I thought he was supposed to be the veteran play-making point guard. From the stat line it looks like he was mainly looking for his own shots.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | November 14, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

"You have got to give this man a chance to play through his mistakes. His upside is to damn good not to. The veteran play of Oberto is a joke at this point because we lost this game in the 3rd quarter when we lost that 10 point lead once Oberto was inserted into the game."

Blaming that on Oberto is ridiculous. They lost the lead in the third quarter mostly because they missed shots, turned the ball over, and committed silly fouls. McGee wouldn't have helped much with any of that.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 14, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Well, considering Oberto's strength is positioning and fundamentals and Bynum consistently beat him around the corner to the rim for about 3/4 mins straight, I would have liked to have seen McGee use his athleticism there. Sure, McGee may or may not have been in a worse position initially, but his athleticism would have been something more for Bynum to think about. As is, he knew he could gain the edge rather easily and then pull up, beat Oberto to the rim, get fouled, or have the defense so out of whack that someone else got an easy look. I saw no counter move by Flip there - McGee IMHO.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 15, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

And, bc we couldn't stop Bynum for about 3/4 mins straight.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 15, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Given his generally difficulties with defensive positioning, McGee would have made minimal difference. It's pretty clear the big guys around the basket don't bother Bynum in the least. They're just targets to him. McGee likely would have just picked up a couple of more fouls and sent Bynum to the line for more easy points. When it comes to help defense on a quick guard, anticipation, court awareness, and being in the right place at the right time are all more important elements for a big man than pure speed. McGee still struggles in all areas.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 14, 2009 11:38 PM

And the above would be a whole lot cows with horns with uncontrolled bowel movements.

Javale McGee hasen't played nearly enough this season to receive an evaluation such as that. But...Oberto has. I think you got your players mixed up KALO_RAMO.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 15, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

@Larry,

Yeah, I hear ya. Only, I am not soured on Oberto. He is a nice role player in certain situations like harassing a less athletic Dirk or when he is surrounded by a full compliment of offensive players. When he is put in the game with say Blatche, Stevenson etc...against a more athletic opponent he tends to not be such a positive factor bc A) he is not extremely athletic and B)he has no offensive game. Playing him in a game against Atlants is probably not a good idea. Playing him some minutes against say the Celtics would probably work.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 15, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Beep Beep.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 15, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

One play tonight that sums it up:

Oberto gets a rebound or pass can't remember which, but then is about 3 ft from the basket. Instead of even attempting an easy shot, he passes the ball out to Stevenson for a wide open 3 pt attempt. Clank! Wrong people taking the wrong shots at the wrong times.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 15, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

"And the above would be a whole lot cows with horns with uncontrolled bowel movements."

Yawn. Even if it were written in competent English, it still wouldn't be particularly clever.

"Javale McGee hasen't played nearly enough this season to receive an evaluation such as that."

Nonsense of the highest order. It has nothing to do with how much he's "played this season." It has to do with what he's done in the minutes he has played. (A) He played all last season and had problems with positioning and court awareness and (B) whenever he has played this season, he's had problems with defensive positioning and court awareness.

Nick Young hasn't played much this season either. So then can we not "evaluate" that he's a poor defender who takes too many jumpshots? Of course we can because he was a poor defender who took too many jumpshots last year and this year, whenever he's played, he played poor defense and took bad jump shots.

If a guy's walking the wrong way, you don't need to follow him for a mile to realize he's lost. A couple of blocks will tell you the same thing.

"Sure, McGee may or may not have been in a worse position initially, but his athleticism would have been something more for Bynum to think about."

He didn't seem to give it much thought when he was posterizing Tyson Chandler and Gerald Wallace, two of the most athletic guys in the league. McGee's athleticism wouldn't have been much of a deterrent to Bynum if he was on the wrong spot on the court defensively to use it, which he too often is.

"And, bc we couldn't stop Bynum for about 3/4 mins straight."

And I've yet to hear a compelling argument how McGee would have changed that. Even if McGee were the interior deterrent you imagine he is (he's not), then Bynum would have just done what he also did several times: pull up in the lane and float a high-arcing shot over the arms of the big man.

"Instead of even attempting an easy shot, he passes the ball out to Stevenson for a wide open 3 pt attempt."

He's not a shooter and he knows it. Ben Wallace did the same thing several times during the game, and countless times in his career. So did Dennis Rodman. I've got no problem with a guy understanding his role and not trying to play outside of it. Stevenson can make wide open 3 pointers. It's part of his role on the floor. He took a makeable shot and missed it. It happens. It's one thing to criticize Miller for passing up shots (which I've done previously) because taking and making shots is why he's on the floor. That's not why Oberto is out there.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 15, 2009 1:51 AM | Report abuse

Hey Flip did you and Tapscott go to the same school of coaching. Let's put my team in a bad situation and see if they can overcome my dumbness. Flip keep playing Oberto and Stevenson we don't need to win look at the Skins they're losing and still selling out. Ernie Amare said thanks for not making the deal. Ernie SA said thanks for taking Oberto off our hands.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | November 15, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

The team that we see playing is just a carbon copy of Flips Minn. team w/o Garnett. Everybody keep on talking about when Twain gets back, heck when the dickens did he ever play defense? Talk about not having enough ball to shoot with, with the Twain it's just that a blackhole once the ball gets in his hands. DS is not a stopper or a good player, Oberta gotta sit and just be a foul giver, Arena can't go lateral, if you ever notice has he attemted a shot on the move left or right (I don't mean going to the hole) if you know of any holla.

Posted by: getagripped | November 15, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

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