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Saunders, Jamison advise Arenas to be patient

Gilbert Arenas has topped 20 points just once in the past seven games after scoring 20 or more points in seven of his first eight games. The decline in production has been especially noticeable the past two games, as Arenas has failed to reach double digits and scored a total of 15 points on 7 for 18 (38 percent) shooting. Arenas opened up last Saturday about his frustrations as the season has dragged on, admitting that regaining his pre-injury form has taken longer than he thought it would.

On Monday, Coach Flip Saunders said that Arenas's passive play, as a scorer and facilitator has been noticeable. "He's not confident right now. Everyone goes through it. Baseball players, hitters go through it," he said. "Right now, it's probably because a lot of factors are involved. But it's not going to stop him from shooting -- it shouldn't. He has to understand, it's going to come at some point."

The drop-off has also coincided with the soreness that developed in his left calf after the Wizards lost to Phoenix on Nov. 8. Arenas nearly missed the next game against Miami, but he changed his mind at the last minute, had a horrific 12-turnover game, and has kept playing. Arenas said he feels fine physically, but Saunders said he has talked to Arenas and reminded him that the comeback trail would be a process and that he has still confidence in him.

Antawn Jamison has also expressed the same sentiment with Arenas, telling him that it would take time. "I think, and I told him this, you haven't played basketball like this in a long time. First couple of weeks it went well, but it's been a while since you've been a month into the season, 15 games. It's almost a learning curve," Jamison said. "I don't think he knew what to expect, I don't think we knew what to expect. So the thing he has to do was be patient. And that's what we have to do as a team. I know he's not where he wanted to be and we're not where we wanted to be. But you've got to be patient and keep plugging away.

"If the season was 15 games long, then you start panicking. But it's going to come to you, just got to be patient. Other guys like myself and Caron have to step up until he's back in that rhythm. Guy hasn't played 15 games like this, a month into the season like this. So it's tough. It's just going to take some more time before the Hibachi and all the other stuff gets going. But if I keep believing in my teammates and myself to get going, then things will get back to normal."

Jamison also said that he hasn't told Arenas to be more aggressive or advised him on how to play his game. "I can't tell him to be aggressive when he's not there yet. I can't tell him not to be aggressive when he's there. That's that guy," he said. "That's the thing. When you start listening, and, 'Oh, my girlfriend said I should do this.' Or 'Media said I should do this, and my little son says, 'Daddy you should do this.' That's when you need to take your eye off the outside distractions, focus in and play your game. That's what I tell him, don't listen to me. Coach says this, you play your game. You do what has gotten you to this point. Now, if you can't do that, then find a way to get close to it.

"He's going to have to get back into the thick of things, he's going to have to understand, how can I get through 15, 20 games into the season? How can I get through four games in five nights?" Jamison said. "I'm trying to figure that out and I've been pretty healthy the last two or three seasons. But it's like I tell him, don't listen to anybody, just do you. That's like somebody telling me, 'Cross people over like Allen Iverson.' I don't do that. That's going to be a turnover and we're going the other way. I don't do that. Two or three dribbles and it's going up. So it's just one of those things, you've got to believe in yourself and be patient and let what you do come to you on the basketball court."

Saunders said he is willing to wait for everything to start clicking again with Arenas, but in the meantime, he would have to come up with a plan to either give him shorter stints on the floor and on the bench so that his left knee doesn't stiffen up.

"Our whole thing has always been aggression. Every point guard I've had is either first or second on my team in scoring. His mentality from that standpoint shouldn't change," he said. "He right now is trying to knock off rust and he's playing a lot of minutes. He's playing more minutes, he's traveling all over the country, so there are a lot of factors that are involved with him just trying to get his body right. It's not going to come back in two or three months."

By Michael Lee  |  November 30, 2009; 8:38 PM ET
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"Saunders, Jamison advice Arenas to be patient"

Hey Mike, that's "advise," not "advice."

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 30, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

"On Monday, Coach Flip Saunders said that Arenas's passive play, both as a scorer and facilitator has been noticeable. "He's not confident right now. Everyone goes through it. Baseball players, hitters go through it," he said. "Right now, it's probably because a lot of factors are involved. But it's not going to stop him from shooting -- it shouldn't. He has to understand, it's going to come at some point.""

Really?

I thought Gilby turned it off as a sacrifice to the team.

Who knew Gilby lacked mojo.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 30, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

why can't he just replicate what he did during the Dallas game? I mean seriously, that opening game was his best game of the season so far and the type of Gil we would all like to see, is it that hard to maintain the performance that he had that one night? i mean we all know what he is capable of...

Posted by: Marine4Life51 | November 30, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Here's some good news though.

Most people know that AB is getting his grill fixed.

Last week during the Philly game, I saw an interview with EJ and it looks like he's finally getting his grill fixed too.

Hooray!

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 30, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Flip: ""Our whole thing has always been aggression. Every point guard I've had is either first or second on my team in scoring. His mentality form that standpoint shouldn't change,"

Flip doesn't get that Arenas is not like every other anything.

Flip needs to face reality. Dump the 1/4 offense and go with Arenas/Foye sharing the ball.

The second unit can be Boykins and Young.

Split the minutes 24/24 until one backcourt outperforms the other.

Posted by: Izman | November 30, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Personal issues concerning POLLIN and SHAQ must be having an effect as well as playing into game shape. Remember it took D. WADE quite a while to round into his old self again as well.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 30, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 30, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 30, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

The wizdogs are done! And put up the Hibachi. Trade AB and Caron to the warriors for Maggette, Radmonavich and a second round pick in 2010. It would give the wiz more versitility and more second unit scoring.

Posted by: TheGodFather | November 30, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

How come the guys with the worst shooting percentage take the most shots?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 1, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Guess we will read all season why the Wizards are not winning games. I will have my crying towel handy. All teams experience injuries, but only NJ & Timberwolves play worse. Another lottery year.

Posted by: NewbillJT | December 1, 2009 5:58 AM | Report abuse

Same reason the biggest idiots leave the most posts on this blog.

Posted by: bryc3 | December 1, 2009 6:02 AM | Report abuse

bryc3

Poor Coaching?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 1, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

The wizdogs are done! And put up the Hibachi. Trade AB and Caron to the warriors for Maggette, Radmonavich and a second round pick in 2010. It would give the wiz more versitility and more second unit scoring.

Posted by: TheGodFather | November 30, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse
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That would be a terrible trade for the Wiz. Neither Maggette nor Radmanovic plays a lick of defense and won't solve our issues whatsoever.
Plus: Butler>Maggette and AB>Radmanovic

Posted by: Utilityman1 | December 1, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

bryc3

Flip told us to keep posting and maybe if we get lucky 5 out of 30 post will make sense?

What does it matter as long as we get 20 and 10 nobody will care anyway, some may even think we are all stars.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 1, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Flip told us to keep posting and maybe if we get lucky 5 out of 30 post will make sense?

What does it matter as long as we get 20 and 10 nobody will care anyway, some may even think we are all stars.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | Dec
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Funny!!!

Posted by: millineumman | December 1, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I luv AJ he's the funniest.

That's like somebody telling me, 'Cross people over like Allen Iverson.' I don't do that. That's going to be a turnover and we're going the other way. I don't do that. Two or three dribbles and it's going up.

That's my game, gimme the ball, I'll dribble it 2 or 3 times then it's going up. The self proclaimation of "black holeishness".

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 1, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Personal issues concerning POLLIN and SHAQ must be having an effect as well as playing into game shape. Remember it took D. WADE quite a while to round into his old self again as well.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 30, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse
folks don't wanna hear that round here. people don't think that the issues going on in his personal life can effect his game. There are kids involved, there are emotions involved, when they were going through the paternity stuff a few years back she was having legal docs served to him during games. he's never been able to check his personal life at the door and go to work.

The Wade comparison is also glossed over for the most part. Wade,Amare, VC afew yrs back, they all had an adjustment period to playing full time when they returned from injury. Maybe folks are so removed from Gil's actual injury, and annoyed that his comeback has taken so long, that they fail to realize that he hasn't played NBA ball full time in almost 3 yrs.

call'em excuses or whatever u want, but we're seeing Gil like we've never seen him before and there has to be some connection to all of the new stress in his life.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 1, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Anybody questioning the max contract to GA? How can a journeyman from Europe run the offense better than our max contract guy? And Boykins didn't have the luxury of going through training camp and preseason games.

Hopefully GA will get back on track (as well as the other Wizards).

Posted by: fearturtle44 | December 1, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

how about 30 & 11?

Posted by: Blurred | December 1, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Would you prefer jamison try to dribble and turn it over a la Caron?

You guys don't get it. he drives when he can and scores and gets to the line. he catches and shoots when he can and scores. He usually plays Offense well enough off the ball that he draws defenders and gets in good position for rebounds.

He is what he is. a guys who can usually score 25+ pts a game and get close to 10 rebounds. Anyone who can score like that shoudl help the other guys get open, too. If they can't drain their shots, its not his fault.

We are 2 and 0 this season when he gets his. And 2 & 7 when he doesn't play.

That's a pretty small sample size, but it clearly points to a correlation between Jamison being the on court leader and not a "black hole."

Posted by: Blurred | December 1, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

ever heard of passing the ball?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 1, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

meant correlation between Jamison as the on court leader and with ahealthy-ish team and wins and that he is not a "black hole"

At least he knows his abilities and works toward them, rather than be a guy who thinks he should be a point forward.

Posted by: Blurred | December 1, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

what's our record when he doesn't get his?what was our record last year when he was gettin his for 81 games?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 1, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

why pass when you can score?...plus, he does pass - not a lot, but he does. He was obviously explaining that he doesn't do a lot of fancy dribbling..just get it done. He doesn't spend a lot time doing what most posters complain about Butler and Young and Blatche doing - take a lot of unnecessary time with showy dribbling that results in a TO.

His assists may not be off the charts, but neither are his TOs, and it isn't his fault if no one can drop a shot.

Posted by: Blurred | December 1, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

That's my game, gimme the ball, I'll dribble it 2 or 3 times then it's going up. The self proclaimation of "black holeishness".

Maybe it's called efficiency. Not wasting time, energy or movement. He knows what works for him and that what he sticks to. Those quick, ugly flip shots. I hate Caron and his size up and dribbling, Nick needs to leave behind the unnecessary dribbling to...it's counter-productive.

I still can't believe Oberto still averages more assists per game than Caron.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 1, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

wasn't getting that deep into it. you can read the quote at the top of the page "2 or 3 dribbles and it's going up" i didn't say he wasn't a proficient scorer. i didn't say he isn't our best offensive player. i restated what he said about his own game. you reaffirmed it when you acknowledged that he doesn't pass very much and even started your post with "why pass when you can score?..." that's the team mentality right there. don't u wish everyone on that team took that approach.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 1, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

You missed the part about getting his with a "Healthy-ish" team. No reasonable basketball fan would count last year into the equation. He was missing 40% of his starting lineup for the entire season and 60% for well over half the sdeason and was the only projected starter able to play for well over 15% of the games.

You can hate him all you want, but at least make sense.

If you want to look at his past production, look at the winning percentage of his entire career. i would estimate that to be well over 50% and close to 55% if not higher.

Posted by: Blurred | December 1, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

If anything AJ is underrated league wide considering his career stats among active players.

17k points and 6krebs- Shaq, Duncan, KG, Dirk, and AJ

5 straight seasons averaging 20/8- only Dirk and AJ

but we all know that's just him getting his, NY and AB could do the same if they were just more selfish. Right.

Posted by: divi3 | December 1, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Wade, Amare, VC a few yrs back, they all had an adjustment period to playing full time when they returned from injury.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 1, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

lilhollywood10,

There is more to it than the injury; this team is learning a new system.

If you look at the way Flip is using the players on the roster, it looks like Flip isn't sure if his system will work with these players or not.

Now is Flip the kind of coach who can adjust his system to bring out the strengths of his players?


Posted by: bulletsfan78 | December 1, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Who cares?

Posted by: hessone | December 1, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

There were two quality NBA starters on last years team. Nobody is going to win with that lineup. If you took out Jamison and put in Kobe they would STILL have been in the lottery.

And sure if it's a play for Jamison or he's in a position to score. It should be 2 dribbles and put it up. That's his offensive game. He could do some behind the backs and pump fakes like 'Dray....but that's not in his game.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 1, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

If everyone actually did score, then you couldn't really complain about everyone jackin it up.

There is a difference between actually scoring and shooting.

Jamison scores. A lot of guys shoot.

That's what I am saying. His role is to score and get boards. I'd love it if he was triple double threat, but there are few enough honest to god day in and day out double double threats in this league that I'll keep one of the most consistent of them.

Other guys have different roles. At least applaud the one guy on the team who actually knows his role and succeeds at it.

Posted by: Blurred | December 1, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

There is more to it than the injury; this team is learning a new system.If you look at the way Flip is using the players on the roster, it looks like Flip isn't sure if his system will work with these players or not.

I don't know if it's a issue of not knowing if they can do it...I just don't think they've fulled grasped it yet. Offensively or defensively.

Offensively they look lost sometimes and defensively it's too many time where people are stuck looking for help that isn't there.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 1, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

You missed the part about getting his with a "Healthy-ish" team. No reasonable basketball fan would count last year into the equation. He was missing 40% of his starting lineup for the entire season and 60% for well over half the sdeason and was the only projected starter able to play for well over 15% of the games.

You can hate him all you want, but at least make sense.

If you want to look at his past production, look at the winning percentage of his entire career. i would estimate that to be well over 50% and close to 55% if not higher.

Posted by: Blurred | December 1, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

more players are hurt from this team (2-0 when he's gettin his) than last year (19-62 with him gettin his)

but that has nothing to do with him saying and i quote "Two or three dribbles and it's going up"

while he was commenting on no wasted motion on offense, it's his single minded focus on scoring that make the comment black holeish. if u pass me the ball i will dribble it 2-3 times and then shoot it- to paraphrase AJ

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 1, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

The realization that Arenas has to get back to being a scorer is coming around.

Flip is starting to realize that he can't be the point guard/facilitator for the Team.

Jamison's comments too seem to indicate that as well.

I've been saying it all along. Once and hopefully Arenas gets back to the scorer he was or close to it, then he might be able to assist the point guard play.

Gilbert should concentrate on scoring first. And that dosen't mean that he has to always shoot. It only means he is looking to score.

More than anything else, for Gilbert to have this one single focus will help to bring his game around more sooner rather than later.

I feel that right now with the dual resposibility, the return from injury, his personal problems are way too much for Gilbert, or anyone else for that matter.

Let him be responsible for scoring only on the court and we might see his game start to come 'round.

Let Foye and Bodkin run the point guard.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 1, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

all that's saying is he's taking the first or quickest shot on offense not necessarily the best one. an off balance one handed backwards floater counts for the same amt of points as an assisted layup off of a back cut, but which one is better basketball. just becasue u can get your shot up quicker than other players doesn't make them "quality shots"

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 1, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

he's hitting close to 50% fg right now, so just how many bad shots is he taking?

and the off-balance flip shot IS a quality shot for AJ, we have seen it for years

Posted by: divi3 | December 1, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

more players are hurt from this team (2-0 when he's gettin his) than last year (19-62 with him gettin his)

Come on man...you can't twist things to make your point.

Mike James, Critt, and Miller are hurt. It's not the volume of players, it's the QUALITY.

Last year the franchise player, starting C, and the starting SG were all out of the lineup.

That's like saying if the Lakers lost Shannon Brown, Adam Morrison and Fisher were out the Lakers have more injury issues than Kobe, Bynum and Odom were hurt.

Seriously, who showed they were capable of being consistent in the NBA last season? Maybe D-Mac.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 1, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

You can tell from Gilberts comments when he talks about getting players off and being asked to attack also, that there is a sense of duplicity that he himself hasn't figured out.

I feel and I am PDS that Gilbert can only accomplish this dual role only when and if he is a prolific scorer again.

And the scoring has to come first without the responsibility of being the point guard two.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 1, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

the point guard too...I meant.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 1, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

divi3 is making my point. Is it a bad shot if he scores?

All I'm saying is that if everyone else on the floor is turning over the ball or shooting 35%, and you can score when you touch it, then score.

Hollywood, you are confusing making shots with taking shots.

Jamison isn't like an Iverson, who got his, even if he had to shoot 46 times. jamison is efficent right now. He was explaining his efficiency and you wanted to make it about his passing.

Again, his job is to score and board. He is the only one on the team, with last game as an exception, doing his job...the same job he has done for years.

And to say there are more injuries now than last year proves you have no idea what you are saying and are using irrelevant data to make a point. Arenas and Haywood out for the season is different than Miller out 2 games with a 2nd/3rd string pg and a benchwarmer out indefinitely.

Posted by: Blurred | December 1, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Re: Jamison being a "black hole" . . . Nonsense

A "black hole" isn't a guy who shoots the ball a lot. Some players are on the floor specifically for the purpose of shooting the ball a lot. A black hole is a guy who, when he gets the ball, sucks all the movement and life out of the offense. Jamison doesn't even come close to doing that. The ball rarely sticks in Jamison's hand, and his teammates are rarely forced to stand around watching and waiting for him to do something. Once he gets the ball he generally makes quick, decisive moves with it, either to shoot, drive, or pass. If he doesn't have a shot, he'll keep the ball moving, as opposed to a true black hole (a la Zach Randolph) who will pound the air out of the ball trying to create a shot (that's usually not there) while his wide open teammates stand waving their arms and clapping their hands to no avail

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 1, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Although Miller is a bad ass

Posted by: Blurred | December 1, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Kalo - I love it when we agree. Thanks for your precise and concise comment.

Posted by: Blurred | December 1, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Even if it isn't true that Shaq was messing with Gil's wife he hit a strategy home run in signing with the Cavs and perpetrating the alleged rumor. If it is true then Gil's a victim of using the wrong brain, much like 99% of the male population. Trouble is 99% probably don't pull down 111 million and have 2 kids from said boo boo .. How can that not mess with his head.

Posted by: boblas | December 1, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

That's like somebody telling me, 'Cross people over like Allen Iverson.' I don't do that. That's going to be a turnover and we're going the other way. I don't do that. Two or three dribbles and it's going up.

That's my game, gimme the ball, I'll dribble it 2 or 3 times then it's going up. The self proclaimation of "black holeishness".

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 1, 2009 9:41 AM |

Lilhollywood10'

If you had said it is ...The self proclamation of "braggadocia",.. I would go along with you.

But what Jamison did by that comment was to trash talk that is backed up by his play. If he was missing those shots and throwing the offense out of rhythm and stinking up the joint then your comments might have merit.

However, the way Jamison plays, however unorthodox, is an asset to his Team and not a black hole.

And what he said is sage advice to Gilbert for when Gilbert was a scoring machine it also was an asset for these Wizards.

Don't be fooled by comments that Gilbert needs to be a point guard for this Team to be successful.

No, Gilbert needs to score in order for this Team to be successful and Jamison knows this and that is what his comments were all about.

By the way, for the word proclaim, drop the 'i' when using proclamation.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 1, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

A "black hole" isn't a guy who shoots the ball a lot. Some players are on the floor specifically for the purpose of shooting the ball a lot. A black hole is a guy who, when he gets the ball, sucks all the movement and life out of the offense.


BS and u know it

In bball terms the black hole label is given to a player because the ball goes in but doesn't come back out. plain and simple, now yall can argue all day with me about the merits of one calling himself a black hole, in not so many words, or you can take my lighthearted comment for what it was before blurred steered it out of control. Is AJ a great player? Yes. Is he and has he been great for US (team and fans)?Yes. Is he our most consistent player?Yes. i can answer all of those questions with a firm yes. AJ is one of our if not the best player on the wizards. but when asked about AJ's passing the ball blurred wrote "why pass when you can score?...plus, he does pass - not a lot, but he does" . i was good with that no need to go deeper, but yall wanted to go deeper.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 1, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

i have acknowledged Aj to be the best we have on the wiz. that doesn't mean i have to enjoy watching him play or appreciate anything he does. just get over that. if i don't like his game how ya gonna change that? It's like how folks like eating hot dogs but wouldn't wanna see a hot dog made. I think that's my beef with AJ. The end result is 20ish 10ish every night, but they have to be some of the luckiest looking buckets ever. It's like he said 2 dribbles and it's going up, no looking for a cutter, no taking advantage of the double team or rotations, no kick outs, just 2-3 bounces and everybody else get back on d.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 1, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 1, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

i didn't twist anything he said injuries were and issue last year and they are again this year, in fact possibly more so at this point .eminem may be one of our top 3 players, critt was supposed to compete for the backup pg spot currently held by a 5 footer we signed from Euroland, foye has been back and forth on the shelf as has CB. but you are right it's not the number of players but the quality of the injured players.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 1, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"In bball terms the black hole label is given to a player because the ball goes in but doesn't come back out. "

And, as I've just described in simple plain English that is clearly well beyond your minuscule capacity for basic comprehension, that description does not apply to Antwan Jamison. If he doesn't have a shot, he doesn't hesitate to move the ball out. If he does have a shot, he doesn't hesitate to take it. And since he's not a guy who does much creating off the dribble (and his teammates know this) he usually doesn't get the ball unless he's in some reasonable scoring position.

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 1, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Re: Jamison being a "black hole" . . . Nonsense

A "black hole" isn't a guy who shoots the ball a lot. Some players are on the floor specifically for the purpose of shooting the ball a lot. A black hole is a guy who, when he gets the ball, sucks all the movement and life out of the offense. Jamison doesn't even come close to doing that. The ball rarely sticks in Jamison's hand, and his teammates are rarely forced to stand around watching and waiting for him to do something. Once he gets the ball he generally makes quick, decisive moves with it, either to shoot, drive, or pass. If he doesn't have a shot, he'll keep the ball moving, as opposed to a true black hole (a la Zach Randolph) who will pound the air out of the ball trying to create a shot (that's usually not there) while his wide open teammates stand waving their arms and clapping their hands to no avail

Posted by: kalo_rama | December 1, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

you made up a really wordy definition of a player that is a black hole. while this may be your opinion and definition of a black hole, i think some if not most would just go with the simple "ball goes in doesn't come out" definiton. if that's what you mean than all of this imagery of the life being sucked out of the offense is super extra.
in addition there must be a few instances when AJ plays that contradict your arguement, which is why you preface these instances with the word "rarely"

"the ball rarely sticks..."
"teamates are rarely forced to stand around watching....."

so these things happen, you just think they happen rarely. it has been my position since last season that this happens more often than one might think or care about. while they may not have to wait long, they are defintely watching him dribble twice and put it up without the ball coming back out.

like i said before, blind scoop shots under your opponents armpit while you 've got open shooters doesn't seem like a quality attempt. his fg % tells me otherwise, which takes me back 2 posts ago; i like hot dogs but i don't think i like the way the're made.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 1, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Back @ Lilhollywoood10,

For all the very reasons you say that AJ is a good player and our best player is why he isn't a black hole.

Just accept the fact that you gave a bad analogy to a good player.

I don't know how old you are, but if you look far enough back you will find some NBA players that had terrible looking shots and they were everybit as great and better in some cases than AJ.

It has only been, with modern coaching and basketball teachings from a very early age that quote proper form for everthing on the court has been institutionalized across the board.

Some unorthodox players like Jamison still make it through because they are good and not a black hole.

Keith Wilkes had a terrible shot just to name one, but there are a great many players with crazy looking shots that were good NBA players but were never considered black holes because they shot funny and took there shot when they had it.

And if my memory serves me correctly Earl the Peal Monroe gets the credit for making the scoop shot famous, a shot that Jamison also uses.

If you really knew NBA history you would never mention black hole and Jamison in the same sentence.

A Quick Shot Artist you might want to call him but certainly not a Black Hole.

LarryInClintonMD.

By the way is Shawn Marion a Black Hole?

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 1, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

"but they have to be some of the luckiest looking buckets ever"

nobody is lucky to the tune of 17,000 points and 6,000 rebounds.

definitely a case of diff strokes for diff folks....personally i really enjoy watching AJ's junkball game. They should play the Sanford&Son theme when he hits some of those shots. Nobody else in the entire league can play like that, which to me makes for enjoyable viewing

Posted by: divi3 | December 1, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Beep. Beep.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | December 1, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Have to agree with lilhollywood to the extent that every time I've heard the term "black hole" used it basically meant that the ball was going the player and it wasn't coming back. It reminded me that I *think* they used to call Blatche and Pech "Black Hole / White Hole" in practice because of their penchant to jack up a shot whenever they got the ball. Never seen anyone go all cosmological on it though, like Kalo. Makes me wonder if the ball gets stretched taller and thinner as it approaches Zach Randolph.

AJ is definitely not a black hole, but I too just thought his comment was funny. I like parts of his game, like the scoop and the tear drop, but let's be more accurate....he's maybe our best / most consistent OFFENSIVE player. He's consistent on D as well, but not in a good way.

Posted by: ts35 | December 1, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Apologies it was Nick Young and Pech who were "Black Hole / White Hole"

Posted by: ts35 | December 1, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't it only like a week or 2 ago that he was threatening to "carry the team" because they sucked?

Was that his dillusion or was he just tryin to take a shot at his teammates?

Posted by: Max_in_Missouri | December 1, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

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