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Spurs 106, Wizards 84


Sorry about the delay on the video and the blog. Similar to the Washington Wizards, I was experiencing some technical difficulties at the AT&T Center. How can you have jacked up wireless service at a building named after a phone company?

As for the game, there was one image from the game that really stood out for me. No, it wasn't the sight of Tony Parker weaving into the Wizards' defense; Tim Duncan nearly having a triple double by halftime; the Wizards clanking contested jumper after contesting jumper; Theo Ratliff greeting Randy Foye's drives to the basket with vicious swats, or even Roger Mason Jr. finally finding his shooting stroke as the Wizards conceded in the fourth quarter.

What stood out for me was the sight of Mike Miller being carried off the court, leaning on teammate Dominic McGuire and head athletic trainer Eric Waters. Only a few moments earlier, Miller got hurt setting a screen for Gilbert Arenas. He just happened to be standing in the wrong spot when Arenas came crashing to the floor when Duncan fouled him as he made a layup. Miller immediately reached for his leg and Arenas appeared startled as he stared up at Miller from his back.

I spent a good amount of time last night questioning why Miller was even on the court with his sprained left shoulder. He played, even as he knew that he was absorbing excruciating pain every time he ran through a screen, fought for a rebound or landed on the ground. Miller's shoulder wasn't the reason his night was over in the first period on Saturday night. He was taken out with strained calf muscle that Coach Flip Saunders said might have "popped" and could cost him four to five weeks.

Why am I focused so much on Miller? Because he really cares. He wanted this season to work so badly that he kept trying until his body forced him to stop. Now, I'm not saying that the other players on the Wizards don't care because they undoubtedly do. But not every appears to care about the same thing. That was glaringly obvious on a night when the Spurs had 32 assists compared to the Wizards, who had 12. You could blame the low assist numbers on the Wizards 33.3 percent shooting -- a season low -- and I'll contend that they shot so poorly because they were taking bad shots (and I'll give some credit to that staunch San Antonio defense, which reappeared last night).

"It's very frustrating," Caron Butler said after scoring just eight points on 3 of 9 shooting in 32 minutes. "Guys are battling injuries, still trying to go out there and compete at a high level and it's frustrating. You're looking at it and you look at a game like the night before you compete hard and give yourself a shot then you come back after resting all day and fall very short here in San Antonio. It's really painful."

The Wizards already appear to be splintering after just 12 games, and Saunders said afterward, "We're very much in a bad situation right now."

He mentioned that players frustrated over playing time; that they are playing tight and that they can't seem to put it all together. But it should tell you something about this horrific two-game trip, in which the Wizards lost by a combined 41 points, that Saunders said he felt better at halftime against San Antonio than he did at any point against Oklahoma City. "All we can do is get back to work," Saunders said. "There are a lot of guys right now that are frustrated, including me, but we have to work through it."

It is still amazing to me that after 12 games -- with Arenas and Brendan Haywood back, with new veteran pieces added to the mix, with a new coach with a stellar regular season winning percentage -- the Wizards (3-9) have only one more win than last season, when they finished with just 19 wins. "I don't want to look at the record. Because at the end of the day, you have to win some you have to lose some," Arenas said.

But the Wizards are losing much more than not. I remember a conversation with an NBA observer who told me that the problems with the Wizards were not going to solved when Antawn Jamison return. Jamison provided some heroics in his first game back against Cleveland, but the Wizards regressed in Oklahoma and Texas, and they still look like a team that has no chemistry. Players have yet to take to Saunders's systems and frustration is palpable. Saunders said that he would look to make some changes when the team practices again on Monday. And with Miller out, there certainly will have to be some changes made.

"We just got to plug away," Jamison said. "Right now we just got to really show some character, plug away until we can turn this thing around. We're still a good team."

Not right now.

By Michael Lee  |  November 22, 2009; 1:13 AM ET
 
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Comments

blow it up. this is ridiculous. who's everyone "discreetly" blaming, anyhow? i mean, everyone's pointing a finger... but at who? i dare flip to bench gilbert for a game, pretend he's injured, just to see what happens.

Posted by: PopeyeJones | November 22, 2009 4:44 AM | Report abuse

I still love ya, Wiz, but DANG! We've got to do this right. We have toooooo much talent not to be producing! You're killing me, but I'm with ya, till the end! COME ON, GUYS! LET'S GO WIZ!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: musicman65000 | November 22, 2009 5:21 AM | Report abuse

^ +1

Posted by: PVGtownAz | November 22, 2009 5:25 AM | Report abuse

Michael,

Thanks for leaving us hanging. You mention that an NBA observer said the return of Jamison was not going to solve out problems, but then don't say what the observer thought the issue was??! A little outside perspective would be interesting.

I got a very bad sense about this season after these last two games. To play this bad when everyone is healthy is not right. You got Haywood and Blatche playing better than ever. We added two solid players in Foye and Miller. Yet, zilch. Nada. It can't all be explained by the sub par play of Arenas and Butler. There seems to be an attitude problem or some sort of bad vibe with the team. I can't put my finger on it exactly, but not liking things thus far at all.

All this while they have played fantastic for a quarter here or a quarter there including defensively.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 22, 2009 5:42 AM | Report abuse

Michael:
You need to watch the video of Miller's injury, because you got it wrong in this blog post and in your story. Miller got injured on the perimeter when Arenas' man ran into Miller's pick. Miller immediately started limping, hopping towards towards the basket. Arenas then drove to the basket and got fouled, and Miller just happened to be there when Arenas fell.

Posted by: disgruntledfan | November 22, 2009 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Michael:
You need to watch the video of Miller's injury, because you got it wrong in this blog post and in your story. Miller got injured on the perimeter when Arenas' man ran into Miller's pick. Miller immediately started limping, hopping towards towards the basket. Arenas then drove to the basket and got fouled, and Miller just happened to be there when Arenas fell.

Posted by: disgruntledfan | November 22, 2009 6:59 AM | Report abuse

That is absolutely correct. They showed it on the replay after the drive. Mike, did you not see that?

Posted by: bpybay | November 22, 2009 7:36 AM | Report abuse

MM's injury is actually a blessing in disguise -- for him. There was a higher power looking after him, since the Wiz crack medical staff wouldn't. This injury will give him sufficient time to rest that shoulder. Hopefully, he's okay when he returns. If they had shut him down like they should have, he wouldn't have been on the floor to get injured in the first place.

Ughhhh!!!

Posted by: bpybay | November 22, 2009 7:41 AM | Report abuse

blow it up. this is ridiculous. who's everyone "discreetly" blaming, anyhow? i mean, everyone's pointing a finger... but at who? i dare flip to bench gilbert for a game, pretend he's injured, just to see what happens.

Posted by: PopeyeJones | November 22, 2009 4:44 AM | Report abuse

@PopeyeJones,
I believe you are right on que! Gil is totally lost on the court. Between trying to find "Agent Zero" and acting as if he is running an offense! Anyone can see he is so desirous of returning to his 'one on one' playground ball (which may be what the Wiz have to do at this point.)

I don't think there is anyone who could even suggest that Gil plays any defense while on the court, and what we as fans are witnessing is an organization who is having a serious difficulty accepting that their best of plans have gone array.

Now we clearly see why Eddie Jordan structured the team the way he did. It's either, let Gil be Agent Zero, or bench him!!!

Posted by: bazteal | November 22, 2009 7:43 AM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure Ernie Grunfeld isn't taking advice from anybody on this blog. But the fact remains, the Wiz are going to play out the hand they're dealt.

They don't have much choice, do they? Not exactly a bunch of helpful trades or free agents out there. Can't change the coach -- we saw how well that worked last season.

IMO they made some chicken salad when they traded that 5th pick for Foye and Miller instead of taking Rubio. Now Miller's hurt but Foye is playing and Rubio's in Spain, anyway. They could have taken Jennings in the draft, but nobody figured him for the next superstar.

Far as I can tell, the Wiz are going to have to learn to play better as a unit, on both sides of the ball. Our unrealistic expectations notwithstanding.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 22, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Welcome to Ernie and Flip show. Flip don't know who to play. He's got 3 guys in exile who could provide speed and athletism to the team. Ernie don't know who to draft so lets trade it away. I like Mike but he hasn't played a full season in 10yrs. What makes anyone think he would play a season here on this injury prone team. Lets trade our 2nd pick for a guy who can't get out of his own way. To top it off Lets not trade 2 pretend allstars for a bonafide allstar in Amare.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | November 22, 2009 8:06 AM | Report abuse

"Ah, ok. That's profound. So listing the stats in a blowout is your way of saying it shouldn't have been a blowout. Nah. It's you gloating in your own negative misery, although I do agree that it should not have been a blowout. I also don't think with our talent that we should be 3-9. It just is at the moment.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 22, 2009 12:53 AM | Report abuse "

My "negative misery?"

It's actually your reality.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 22, 2009 8:13 AM | Report abuse

"I don't think we adjusted. I think Mike Miller getting hurt really hurt us. He's one of our best ball-movers and scorers on the perimeter," Wizards center Brendan Haywood said. "It's like the same old thing every game. They came out tough. We started playing one-on-one. We started taking bad shots. Can't do it."

The above quote should speak volumes! EG assembled some very good talent for this team, but he assumed the chemistry would be automatic. NOT SO! BLOW IT UP BABY! BLOW IT UP!

Posted by: bazteal | November 22, 2009 8:13 AM | Report abuse

"I hope the Wizards make the playoffs, but I just can't stop thinking about who will be available for the 2010 lottery, and what blockbuster trades Grunfield could come up with.

Posted by: Theone9 | November 22, 2009 1:13 AM | Report abuse "

The first trade needed is for EG to be traded to the unemployment line.

He said he wants to see this team healthy and play together first, when referring to Gilby, MeTawn, and Caron.

He's seen it.

Still no excuse.

EG needs to go.

Not just b/c of the reality now.

Look at his entire body of work especially with the draft and free agents.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 22, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

You have to commend Eminem for his heart and tenacity, but dude could be in better shape.

If he was in better shape, he might be less injury prone.

He's a walking medical ward like Gilby.

When it rains, it pours.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 22, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

"EG is doing a find job against a lot of obstacles.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 22, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse "

His ability or lack there of is his main obstacle....an inability to judge talent and to put together a cohesive team.

BTW, Flip Flop needs to understand what kind of players he has and put them in positions to succeed.

You can pound a square peg in a round hole.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 22, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Do the Washington Wizards have anyone in the organization that is not drunk? Ernie Grunfeld looks like a blimp... does this Front Office do anything else but "front"? What do they discuss when they meet.. or do they meet?... but the big question is... Who is running this pathetic operation for the past few years?

Posted by: notindc1 | November 22, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Why does MeTawn deserve a month off to heal while Eminem only gets a few games?

Dude needs to worry about getting healthy as I think his contract is up after this season.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 22, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Tied for 2nd worse in the East, and tied for 3rd worst in the league.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/standings?season=2010&group=conference&seasontype=2&standType=standings

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 22, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

The problems with this team are not going to go away any time soon. There is not even a hint of progress right now. It's a "one step forward, two steps backward" kind of thing. There are all kinds of issues.

Ultimately, I don't think this team is built for the kind of offense Flip is trying to run. We don't have a Chauncey Billups or a Sam Cassell on this team. We don't have anybody that really knows how to run an offense. Nor are we smart enough to understand that poor offense can be overcome with staunch defensive effort, which I really do believe this team is capable of playing, if only we would want to. The offense and defense never seem to be on the same page on the same night. I'm sure the team is just as frustrated as the fans, but at this point I seriously doubt we have the requisite mental makeup to get this thing figured out.

If Flip doesn't pull the plug on this offense, we're already done for the season. You have to play to your team's strengths, and this offense is not conducive to our strengths. I think any offense would be problematic when you have one guy dominating the ball 80-85% of the time, but especially our team's offense. The Princeton offense would actually be perfect for this team, but of course that's history (and for those of you who would otherwise read into that statement, I am NOT suggesting we should have kept EJ).

It is Flip's job to right this ship. Hopefully, we won't eventually have another Detroit on our hands (players rebelling against coach). Can he do it?

Let's see what happens.

Posted by: bpybay | November 22, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

What does having Critter back have to do with anything?

First off, they already have Gilby/Boykins/Foye to man the 1.

What the heck could Critter provide? He's not a scorer.

Is that the latest excuse? If it is, then it's a whole new depth we're going to now.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 22, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Go back to sleep. I'll wake you when this team is ready to play ball.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 22, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

"Ultimately, I don't think this team is built for the kind of offense Flip is trying to run."

If that's true, then it's EG's fault for hiring the wrong coach for the talent he had on the court. FS believes in his approach and it's unrealistic to expect him to abandon it, just as it would have been unrealistic to expect EJ to abandon his Princeton offense.

I'm not sure GA is suited to running this offense, but if he's going to run it he needs to change his mindset. That mindset is that he wants to get a positive personal stat out of every ball possession. So if he passes the ball to someone he expects that person to put up the shot so he (GA) gets credit for the assist. This is just not conducive to a productive offense, which requires multiple people to get touches.

Mike Lee can you please give us more information on what's going on in the locker room as far as finger-pointing? Seems like there is some serious dysfunctionality, but is it basically GA and CB pointing fingers at each other, or is there a lot more to it? From Haywood's quotes it sounds like he's being critical of GA (which he has been in the past as well, I remember him noting how LH would pass him the ball in good positions to score, implying that GA was not doing the same).

Is it basically GA against the other vets? And whatever the dynamics, is this a correctable situation or is it totally out of control already?

Posted by: shovetheplanet | November 22, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

The Wiz's first three shots were long jumpers made with no attempt to pass the ball first, setting the tone for the pick-up game that ensued. One has to question Flip's power over the players if they start lazily jacking 3's right from the tip-off.

Awful.

This team has decent depth, but it is simply not well-constructed, poorly motivated, selfish and disorganized. Over the past two games it has shown it lacks both the athleticism to run with the young teams (OKL), and the mental savvy and toughness to sit down at the chess board with the veteran ones (SA). Someone remind me... aside from decent, but no transcendent, players at most positions and on the bench - and a few streaky perimeter weapons - just what is it that the Wiz DO have? I can't think of anything to be excited about at the moment.

The only thing that was exciting about that game was seeing Mcgee tear it up for the ten minutes they gave him. Mcgee should be way ahead of career triple-single leader Oberto on the depth chart.

Posted by: SammyT1 | November 22, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

"Go back to sleep. I'll wake you when this team is ready to play ball.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 22, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse "

It's you and the Les BouleS org that's asleep.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 22, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

"I don't want to look at the record. Because at the end of the day, you have to win some you have to lose some," Arenas said.

Arenas is the joke people and this team will never win with the attitude you win some and lose some?


"We just got to plug away," Jamison said. "Right now we just got to really show some character, plug away until we can turn this thing around. We're still a good team."

Still a good team? AJ how about showing some character and play some "D".

I've been saying since the day I came on here that this team will never win a championship with Gil, AJ, and/or CB and I don't care who you get to coach this team.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 22, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

"Ultimately, I don't think this team is built for the kind of offense Flip is trying to run."

If that's true, then it's EG's fault for hiring the wrong coach for the talent he had on the court. FS believes in his approach and it's unrealistic to expect him to abandon it, just as it would have been unrealistic to expect EJ to abandon his Princeton offense.

Posted by: shovetheplanet | November 22, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

My observation is a "hindsight" observation -- an analysis based on what they have done to-date. I don't think you can predetermine that they wouldn't have been able to do it. You have to play the game, and attributes get exposed on the fly.

We are always making assessments/judgments as they play the game. It doesn't mean Flip is not the right coach for this team. That remains to be seen. For now, he has to make adjustments from his original plan. The true test of whether or not he is the right coach will lie with how successful he is in making them. I'm not saying he should necessarily abandon his plan, but he sure as hell has to make some changes because what he is doing right now simply isn't working. I'm not sure what those changes should be, but something has to be done. It's his job to figure it out.

Posted by: bpybay | November 22, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Anyone watch Parker drive to the basket and make layup after layup while the Wizards shot jumpers from 14 - 16 feet away? Of course, it went all down hill after Miller's injury because no one else would pass the ball.
Instead of blaming one another they should concentrate on playing professional basketball that they are paid to do. If I want to watch school yard basketball I will go to the school yard.
Said it before this team will be lucky to win 30.

Posted by: NewbillJT | November 22, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Gilbert still ain't right.
Missing FT's, open 15 footers, TO's.
This is 1 on 1 playground basketball.
No D.
Big disappointment.
The talent is there but other team's mediocre players make them look like undrafted rookies.
MM status will not help but teams have players go down and they have someone come in and step up.
We have someone go down and the whole team fizzles.
I hope Flip has a solution to this problem otherwise we'll soon be discussing next years lottery.

Posted by: VBFan | November 22, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Mike, I'm begging you... Can you please do a report on the Wizards' medical staff! They are the worst training staff ever assembled. I want to know, who assembled them and why are they never held accountable for all the injuries that this team suffer and who makes the decisions on when to hold a player back and when to let them play (i.e., Mike Miller). Please. We want answers!

Posted by: CBell29 | November 22, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

The greatest attribute missing from this team is mental toughness. It's the stuff of champions. If talent is male and mental toughness is female, greatness is the offspring of that combination.

You can have greatness without talent (e.g., Pete Rose, who made himself great), but you CANNOT have greatness without mental toughness. Talent is something you are born with. Greatness is the maximizing of that talent. After 12 games, it is obvious the mental toughness is just not there, and for that reason, this team is not going anywhere as presently constructed.

As a unit, there should be a laser-like focus on ONE THING ONLY. WINNING!!!! It's not about numbers, it's not about how good you looking making the play (getting on SportsCenter), it's not about getting up for certain teams. It should be all about WINNING!!! During the game! EVERY GAME!!! Everything that you do (even the most miniscule of things) should be done with one goal in mind. WINNING! If there is ANY other agenda, then you are just not ready.

They are just not ready. Just my observation. I hope I'm wrong, but the handwriting is now on the wall. There is no pulse right now. Hope they can be resurrected.

Posted by: bpybay | November 22, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Mike, I'm begging you... Can you please do a report on the Wizards' medical staff! They are the worst training staff ever assembled. I want to know, who assembled them and why are they never held accountable for all the injuries that this team suffer and who makes the decisions on when to hold a player back and when to let them play (i.e., Mike Miller). Please. We want answers!

Posted by: CBell29 | November 22, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I second that motion.

Posted by: bpybay | November 22, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

This is pathetic. it should just show everyone Chemistry is as important as talent and the Wiz not just don't seem to have it anymore.

Sad to say, but might be time for some wholesale trades to get new pieces. Could we get a Gasol-caliber big man for Arenas?

Posted by: ericdc1 | November 22, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Man this is depressing. I really had high hopes for this team, and if they don't turn things around soon it could get really bad.

Miller being out the next few weeks certainly isn't going to help. He really has quickly become a very important glue guy. It seems a world of difference when he is in there, he really takes on the basic role of PG, and when he's out we just revert to one on one jump shooting team.

To me the biggest disapointment has been Butler. I don't know what's going on with him. He just looks really bad. He seems to have lost the ability to attack the basket. He has become a jump shooter, and not a very good one. Otherwise he goes too much one on one even when well guarded, tries to force it and almost always turns it over or commits offensive foul. He seems to really be hurt by the change from Eddie's offense where he benefited from all the slashing to the basket, cutting when away from the ball and going back door. But even more than that he just looks out of place, isn't bringing his usual toughness and gritty play, isn't rebounding, and isn't defending.

At this point I think we'd be better off if Eddie Jordan was still here. He really did have a knack for tweaking his offense to bring out his players' strengths (see Gil, Caron, Larry Hughes, etc). Also guys like Songaila, Antonio Daniels, and even Etan really were pretty valuable role guys off the bench.

I don't know what to do at this point. Maybe some kind of a trade?? I keep thinking Detroit could be a good team to deal with, maybe bring in a guy or 2 we know play well in Flip's system (Rip and/or Prince), or maybe Philly where we could deal a player we know does well in Eddie's system.

Posted by: Darnell1 | November 22, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

For example.. here's something I just threw in a trade checker and it seems to work..

Gil to Philly for Elton Brand.

Caron, Mike James and Nick Young to Detroit for Rip and Prince.


We'd could put out a team of Haywood, Brand, Jamison, Rip and Foye with Blatche, Prince, Miller and Boykins off the bench. Rest of bench would fill out with McGee, Oberto, McGuire, Stevenson, Crittenton. Not too bad.. we'd have alot more size, more defense, and still just as much offense. Brand and Jamison would control the boards in the frontcourt and are ideal for Flip's pick n pop offense. Rip and Foye could replace the offense we lose from Gil. Blatche, Prince and Miller off the bench would be excellent. Losing Gil would be huge.. but bringing back local favorite Rip would help, and still have a couple promising young PGs with Foye and Crit.

Just saying.. may not be realistic, just threw this off the top of my head. We can make moves if it comes to it.

Posted by: Darnell1 | November 22, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Washington:
Gil to Philly
Caron, James, Young to Detroit

Philly:
Brand to Washington
Carney to Detroit

Detroit:
Rip and Prince to Washington

Posted by: Darnell1 | November 22, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Or we can just make a change to the starting lineup..

Maybe start Haywood, Blatche, Jamison, Stevenson, Arenas, bring Caron off the bench.

Posted by: Darnell1 | November 22, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Butler, Young, McGee for Iguodala??

Posted by: Darnell1 | November 22, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Definitely something wrong in the chemistry department. The lack of assists, forced shots, no-help defense. We're looking not like a basketball team but like a group of individuals, some of whom have little respect for others.

Flip recognizes the "bad situation," and I'm sure Ernie does as well. Guys are not playing together, and that's poison in a team game. We need the Reggie Jackson quotient -- the player who stirs the drink. We need a facilitator, not a hand-waving Superman.

We definitely need a shake-up. Flip needs to challenge this attitude, and these bad vibrations. And if it doesn't change, Ernie needs to shuffle the deck.

Posted by: zinger1 | November 22, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Some nights they are going to be the Seven Samurais, but most nights they are going to be the Over the Hill Gang. My hope is that some of the young bench players will step up -- if they are given the chance.

Posted by: PostSubscriber | November 22, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

"Go back to sleep. I'll wake you when this team is ready to play ball.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 22, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse "

It's you and the Les BouleS org that's asleep.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 22, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Ha,ha,ha,ha. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 22, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

"Or we can just make a change to the starting lineup..

Maybe start Haywood, Blatche, Jamison, Stevenson, Arenas, bring Caron off the bench."

Posted by: Darnell1

- - -

Start Dbrick over Caron!? Are you smoking crack?

Posted by: wiz_fan | November 23, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Larry Sanders would look great in a Wiz uniform next year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0t3iKQCkzY

Posted by: wiz_fan | November 23, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

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