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Suns 102, Wizards 90


Did you ever think you'd be in a situation where the problem with Washington was it's offense, not it's defense? That's where the Wizards are right now after they failed to score more than 90 points for the fourth game in a row. In those games, the Wizards are averaging just 88.8 points. It's no coincidence that they have lost all of those games. You're not going to beat anyone without scoring.

The Wizards again finished with more turnovers than assists against Phoenix, a disturbing trend that stands more as the symptom than the actual problem. Gilbert Arenas wants to blame the low assist numbers on players not catching-and-shooting when they get the ball, but guys taking a few dribbles and driving is only part of it. Flip Saunders mentioned that guys aren't hitting shots -- and it certainly didn't help that they made just 39.1 percent of their attempts. But again, the bigger problem is that they took so many contested shots.

These guys have yet to start trusting one another, and that is obvious from the lack of ball movement. The Wizards started out the game well, getting 11 field goals off of six assists in the first quarter, when they led the Suns, 29-26. But the Wizards had just seven assists in the second half, as the Suns built a double-digit lead that resulted in a get-the-ball-shoot-it offense.

"You can't say, 'Okay, they made their run, it's [isolation]-time.' No, that's when you have to execute the most," center Brendan Haywood said. "Swing the ball around, set a good screen, roll, everybody on the floor touches the ball and you end up with a wide open shot. That's what we have to do. That's what they did in Detroit. That's what Flip Saunders is used to. At some point, that's what we're going to have to do here."

After the game, Saunders and several of his players mentioned how the absence of all-star Antawn Jamison and Mike Miller has affected them offensively. Saunders said that he sometimes has to go with a lineup that includes Haywood, Fabricio Oberto and DeShawn Stevenson. "We have three role-type offense players, that puts a lot of pressure on Caron and Gil."

Arenas said, "Once those two guys get back, it opens the floor. Now you can't just sit in the lane all day. You have Antawn who is a catch and shoot, and Mike Miller is a catch and shoot, and also passes. So between your [shooting guard] and your [power forward] you have 11 assists, and without them you only have 16, and it kinda hurts because you have 17 turnovers."

Suns Coach Alvin Gentry said the Wizards are struggling because "they're missing their best player. With Jamison, they're a different team."

Jamison might not be the best player, but it is becoming obvious that he is someone that the team really needs on the floor. Not just because he can get 20 points and 10 rebounds without holding the ball for long stretches, but also because of his leadership. He also provides the bridge for Butler and Arenas, who are not in sync offensively.

His return won't fix all of the offensive woes, though. Stevenson said he hopes that Jamison will be back on Saturday against Detroit, but that would also require the team to make another adjustment after playing with four different starting lineups the first seven games. The Wizards often look like they were thrown together for a pickup game, when they've been around each other for almost six weeks.

"We got to get it from one side to the other," Butler said. "In our wins, that's why we were successful -- moving the ball from side to side. When more guys are involved in the offense, the energy changes. We definitely got to move the ball from side to side and have confidence in each other."

The Wizards had five different players score in double figures for the first time this season, with Arenas scoring 22, Butler and Andray Blatche scoring 20, Foye adding 16 and Haywood scoring 10. That usually means that there is a lot of sharing and ball movement, but that certainly wasn't the case against Phoenix.

"I think the team is probably frustrated," Stevenson said. "We started out good and we're losing some big time ball games right now. We're not passing the ball well, We're not shooting the ball well. We've looked pretty bad."

By Michael Lee  |  November 8, 2009; 6:59 PM ET
 
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This is why the loss to Miami was so costly. It was a very winnable game that would have the Wiz record at 3-4 instead of 2-5.

Now they're looking at a must win situation going into the Pistons game on Saturday. Presuming they fall in Miami, they'll be 2-6. Clawing back from 5 games under .500 will take either a 5 game win streak or 2-3 weeks of .600 ball. Here's what is in store:

Home games vs. Cleveland and Boston in the next month.

Also roadies in Miami (twice) and San Antonio loom.

If M&M and Twan aren't an instant fix then this team may be digging a hole that will haunt them in April.

Obviously I'm off the Kool-Aid right now. These lackluster Novembers are starting to get on my last nerve.

Posted by: elfreako | November 8, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you, but today was not a lackluster performance. The Indiana game was the big ugly unforgivable loss thus far. I would point to that more so than the Miami game. Although both should have been wins, which would put as at 4-3 right now with reinforcements on the way. Instead, we are already in almost panic mode this early in the season as you point out.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 8, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Who's the person that can't figure out a starting lineup THE COACH. This is the same coach that thinks playing Oberto and Stevenson is going to help the team. He has divided this team with his substitution pattern and has killed the spirit of Young, McGee, McGuire. Flip has done this before. The Wiz are done even with their so called starters coming back unless Flip changes. I just don't see him doing that based on his past. There's a reason Flip was let go when he was coachng good teams. I just can't believe DC has 2 teams and can't figure out how to run either of them. This is so frustrating.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | November 8, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

The Wizards again finished with more turnovers than assists against Phoenix, a disturbing trend that stands more as the symptom than the actual problem....Gilbert Arenas

Nash had 17 ast Wash had 15 ast?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 8, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

What is frustrating is trying to figure out your logic. As if Young, McGee, or McGuire would make one iota of a difference to our record had they played more. They are at the end of the bench bc that is where they belong. But, I'm sure you know better than a more than likely future HOF coach.

Young is simply awful now. McGee can be good in spurts and has played just that role and McGuire is a spot duty defender.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 8, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

What is starting to alarm me as far as the remainder of the season is concerned is Arenas is NOT the same player. He is not shooting like he did, he does not get the same separation, and he can't finish at the rim the same. Not good!

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 8, 2009 3:51 PM

Had to go away but I see I missed a lot. In the Princeton Offense the point guard is on the sideline calling in every play like EJ did.

Pure point play is not required in the Princeton offense because it is an Offense that overcomes the talents of a superior Team by a lesser one.

Point guard play is not as important as it is in a traditional offense. Why do you think that Gilbert was rated as a shooting guard in the Princeton Offense and not a point guard. Because even though we said he was the point, he actually played as a two, which by the way is his niche.

And what you are seeing now in Gilbert, Rphilli721, is a player really trying to play a traditional point guard role which he is unsuited for.

Gilbert is a two guard and he has been one of the best in the League.

It dosen't matter who he has to guard especially if the point guard is a talented 6'5" Javaris Crit who can handle the ball for the Team.

It is just that simple.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

And you folks that are talking about the fact that Gilbert is a ball hog and can't play of the ball.

Whats up with that. Are you serious.

Who ever said that a two guard could not be a ball hog.

Shall I just inform you dimwits that Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade, and Lebron James, are all some of the best ball hogs in the League and they play two guard.

Please!!!

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

And you folks that are talking about the fact that Gilbert is a ball hog and can't play of the ball.

Whats up with that. Are you serious.

Who ever said that a two guard could not be a ball hog.

Shall I just inform you dimwits that Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade, and Lebron James, are all some of the best ball hogs in the League and they play two guard.

Please!!!

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

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Larry, Gil cannot even defend point guards, how do you expect him to defend 2 guards?
Wizards' problems are much deeper than strategic. Some of you trying to come up with "rescue" tactics are being delusional. Here are some of the issues that I have posted on another post. These are just a few examples, NOT all that's wrong with the team:
-Gil making an average of $19 million a year and clogging up the cap (although he is decent, not a superstar, he doesn't deserve to have a current contract bigger than Wade, Duncan, Lebron, Carmelo....). Needless to say that he doesn't look like he gives a damn this year.
-AJ making $10 million/year (also clogging up the cap) and he can't defend anyone (yeah, he may score 20 but he usually gives up alot more.
_Caron making $9 million a year to shoot contested jump shots right inside the 3 point line with plenty of time on the clock. And it doesn't look like he cares either. And let's not bring up his turnovers.
_Believing and continuing to develop a lost cause like NY (I knew since he was a rookie that his head wasn't in the game, it's obvious when you jog to get back on defense). Needless to say that it doesn't look like he cares either and has recently been offered an extension.
_Thinking that Oberto was going to rescue the frontline. Did you all forget that a team like the Detroit, with one of the weakest frontlines in the league just paid him money to get rid of him.

And I can go on and on and on...


Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 8, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

And what does all that have to do with the fact that Gilbert Arenas is really a two and not a one.

Please tell me.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

"And what you are seeing now in Gilbert, Rphilli721, is a player really trying to play a traditional point guard role which he is unsuited for.

Gilbert is a two guard and he has been one of the best in the League.

It dosen't matter who he has to guard especially if the point guard is a talented 6'5" Javaris Crit who can handle the ball for the Team.

It is just that simple.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse "

To contradict your point, it seems that all 2 of the games that Les BouleS won, Gilby ended up averaging 8 assists.

The 5 that they lost, Gilby averaged 4.6 assists.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 8, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

"@DCMANN,

I hope you recorded the game today bc recording it tomorrow will not help much.
But, for once, I agree with you. This game was lost by the continued shooting woes of Arenas and Butler. Blatche and Haywood both had nice games as well as Foye. Another very winnable game wasted. At least the effort was there. And, again, another nice defensive game. I think they kept the Suns off the scoreboard for 5/6 straight possessions in the 4th, but scored 5 pts in return. Missed layup, missed open shots, missed foul shots - frustrating to watch and I'm sure frustrating to play.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 8, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse "

I think Comcast will re-air today's game on Monday @ 7pm.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 8, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

It all boils down to making shots - neither Caron or Gil are making shots. If they do all the other ills go away. Also, three point defense was abysmal - just like last year but Phoenix is a unique team so maybe that will not continue.

Posted by: h20law2000 | November 8, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

And what does all that have to do with the fact that Gilbert Arenas is really a two and not a one.

Please tell me.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse
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Did you read all of it? My question to you was: how in the world is Gil gonna defend 2 guards like Kobe, Vince, Wade, Roy, Manu......... while he has troule defending point guards who are usually much smaller????

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 8, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Funny that you list players that are all legit two guards and/or small forwards. Your making up a phantom argument. It's contagious in here. Doesn't change the fact that GA is a PG.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 8, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, it's that simple. Let's do that and watch us win the next 50 games.
90% of posts I read on here lack common sense.

Posted by: Utilityman1

Are you suggesting that if the situation remains status quo the Wiz will win the next 50 games?

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 8, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

I am with you Utility. But, what can you say. Apparently GA played shooting guard for EJ. LMAO

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You already admitted that earlier. Or did you?


Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 8, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Utilityman1,

Coaches are always talking about coaching the team you have, not the team you want. In this case, Foye is the best option to start with Gil among the healthy, able-bodied guards. He tried NY and it did not result in any appreciable success. Should Flip just give up until Miller gets back?

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 8, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Are you suggesting that if the situation remains status quo the Wiz will win the next 50 games?

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 8, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

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No, I am not suggesting that but all these strategic moves being presented are ridiculous. Flip isn't just sitting there doing nothing and collecting paychecks. I don't believe that the issues are strategic, I believe the issues are related to talent (or lack thereof) and some of our decent players clogging up cap space and playing like they don't give a damn.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 8, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Utilityman1,

Coaches are always talking about coaching the team you have, not the team you want. In this case, Foye is the best option to start with Gil among the healthy, able-bodied guards. He tried NY and it did not result in any appreciable success. Should Flip just give up until Miller gets back?

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 8, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

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Please don't even bring up NY, the guy doesn't even belong in the D-League. I am not faulting Flip at all and yes, he is in a tough situation. The only thing that I would fault him for is motivating his player because it looks like the highly paid ones look like they don't want to be there (hence why Jamison was so upset).

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 8, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Please, somebody call up EG to get a quote on the masterful season Les BouleS have kicked off to date.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 8, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Great day for D.C. fans huh? ATLANTA, PHOENIX, what's the diff.? Say did the CAPS roll? At least one WASHINGTON franchise owner knows how to operate.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 8, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

And what does all that have to do with the fact that Gilbert Arenas is really a two and not a one.

Please tell me.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse
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Did you read all of it? My question to you was: how in the world is Gil gonna defend 2 guards like Kobe, Vince, Wade, Roy, Manu......... while he has troule defending point guards who are usually much smaller????

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 8, 2009 9:16 PM

Apparently Utilityman1, as you have noticed, Gilbert does not do a good job of guarding 1's or 2's.

So does it really matter, especially if he performs as a two on the offensive end of the court at a level that rivals the best in the League.

Also, if you have like I keep saying 6'5" Crit at the point whom most teams cannot match against, it offsets Gilberts defense liabilities much like when he had Larry H. with him.

It is not the individual concept you keep harping on but it will become a Team concept that increases our guard play overall.

This is not rocket science. What I am proprosing has been done before with Gilbert and Larry.

However, it becomes most important in Flips offense because we need a true point guard to run his Offense.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Utility,

You are right about the off-the-wall fixes. But, I think you are being overly critical about the talent level. It's early still.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 8, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

To contradict your point, it seems that all 2 of the games that Les BouleS won, Gilby ended up averaging 8 assists.

The 5 that they lost, Gilby averaged 4.6 assists.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 8, 2009 9:12 PM

Do you really thinks that contradicts my point?

Think again, examine a little bit deeper. It makes my point.

If Gilbert was really proficient at the point then his assist would be higher in five of the games verses two of them.

He is not a proficients point, thus why I keep making the POINT that he should not be running it.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

No, I am not suggesting that but all these strategic moves being presented are ridiculous. Flip isn't just sitting there doing nothing and collecting paychecks. I don't believe that the issues are strategic, I believe the issues are related to talent (or lack thereof) and some of our decent players clogging up cap space and playing like they don't give a damn.

Posted by: Utilityman1


Not quite sure what "all" the moves are that you're referring to, and I understand this is not a championship-caliber team (sorry, rphilli721) and may have been fatally constructed, but it doesn't look like they're playing to their best player's strengths to keep the ship afloat until reinforcements come (Miller, Jamison), IMO. With that contract and that knee, Gil's not going anywhere anytime soon.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 8, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Apparently Utilityman1, as you have noticed, Gilbert does not do a good job of guarding 1's or 2's.

So does it really matter, especially if he performs as a two on the offensive end of the court at a level that rivals the best in the League.

Also, if you have like I keep saying 6'5" Crit at the point whom most teams cannot match against, it offsets Gilberts defense liabilities much like when he had Larry H. with him.

It is not the individual concept you keep harping on but it will become a Team concept that increases our guard play overall.

This is not rocket science. What I am proprosing has been done before with Gilbert and Larry.

However, it becomes most important in Flips offense because we need a true point guard to run his Offense.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha (sorry I can't help it). So now you are suggesting that Crit should be defending 2-guards??? The kis is still learning the game and this is your solution to our problem?

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 8, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Utility,

You are right about the off-the-wall fixes. But, I think you are being overly critical about the talent level. It's early still.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 8, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

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Yes, I am being critical but I can deal with players trying hard to get better when they are deficient, but when you have some of your top players making millions and clogging up the cap looking like they totally don't care, that bothers me.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 8, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Even I am surprised at how bad the season has started off to date.

But, I must ask all the homers here who got on my case before the season started and raved about how great a job Flip did with all the teams he coached and how many 50+ win seasons he's had, yada, yada, yada...

It's just sad if a team can't win without one of their top players (MeTawn) and for sure now with another player who wasn't even on the team last season (Eminem).

I found it funny how Gilby said that the "leader" of the team, MeTawn, when he went on his tirade that everyone should listen. He needs to stop flip flopping on whether he's the leader or not.

It's really sad when the "leaders" of the team blame the much lower paid players for the losses.

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Arenas, also a co-captain on the team, added that Jamison's absence is noticeable on the floor, and not just from what he provided with his scoring, rebounding and ability to balance the floor.

"He's the leader of this team, so his voice is very powerful," Arenas said about Jamison, who is expected to return from his shoulder injury in the next week or so. "We just have to keep moving, keep ticking away, keep learning, keep getting better until our pieces get here. We can keep saying the same thing every night, but eventually, we have to turn this around."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/07/AR2009110702914.html

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 8, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

BTH is clearly a cut to the chase, frank guy. In his comments here, he's pretty much calling out Gilby, and based on the games I've seen, I totally agree.

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"You can't say, 'Okay, they made their run, it's [isolation]-time.' No, that's when you have to execute the most," center Brendan Haywood said. "Swing the ball around, set a good screen, roll, everybody on the floor touches the ball and you end up with a wide open shot. That's what we have to do. That's what they did in Detroit. That's what Flip Saunders is used to. At some point, that's what we're going to have to do here."

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 8, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha (sorry I can't help it). So now you are suggesting that Crit should be defending 2-guards??? The kis is still learning the game and this is your solution to our problem?


Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 8, 2009 10:19 PM

My solution to the problem is not just Crit ole' fella. That is just one of the many small adjustments that this Team can make to be better.

And I can tell you are from the School of Thought that believes young inexperienced players only contribute from the Bench.

I am not from that School of Thought.

Dave Cowens was from that School of Thought and that is why Kobe Bryant ended up in LA rather than Charlotte. Dave Cowens only wanted veteran players that had already proved they could play.

So he traded the rights to Kobe to LA for three of there veterans whom I can't recall right now and they helped him accomplish nothing.

If the Boston Celtics thought that way Rajon Rondo would not have been the point guard who helped them win another NBA championship.

Please!!!

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

You can't say, 'Okay, they made their run, it's [isolation]-time.' No, that's when you have to execute the most," center Brendan Haywood said. "Swing the ball around, set a good screen, roll, everybody on the floor touches the ball and you end up with a wide open shot. That's what we have to do. That's what they did in Detroit. That's what Flip Saunders is used to. At some point, that's what we're going to have to do here."

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 8, 2009 10:40 PM

Sounds like to me he is saying we need a real point guard on the floor. I agree wholeheartedly.

I don't think I am reading this wrong.

Gilbert is a two. He is not a point.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

"Sounds like to me he is saying we need a real point guard on the floor. I agree wholeheartedly.

I don't think I am reading this wrong.

Gilbert is a two. He is not a point.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse "

Sounds to me like you read it wrong again.

You need to drop your wasted argument.

Gilby will never give up the ball handling duties. He considers himself a shoot first point guard, and that is that.

Get over it.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 8, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

"He is not a proficients point, thus why I keep making the POINT that he should not be running it.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse "

Which is why Les BouleS should have drafted and signed Ricky Rubio.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 8, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

My solution to the problem is not just Crit ole' fella. That is just one of the many small adjustments that this Team can make to be better.

And I can tell you are from the School of Thought that believes young inexperienced players only contribute from the Bench.

I am not from that School of Thought.

Dave Cowens was from that School of Thought and that is why Kobe Bryant ended up in LA rather than Charlotte. Dave Cowens only wanted veteran players that had already proved they could play.

So he traded the rights to Kobe to LA for three of there veterans whom I can't recall right now and they helped him accomplish nothing.

If the Boston Celtics thought that way Rajon Rondo would not have been the point guard who helped them win another NBA championship.

Please!!!

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse
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No Larry, I am not from that school of thought, not at all. I am all for player playing when they are ready to play, regardless of age. If we had Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Kevin Durant or even Teague, Lawson, Luis Williams, OJ Mayo, Love, Blair, Jennings......(and I can go on and on), I would be crazy not to want them playing.
Crit and McGee are not ready (although it looks like they should be in a couple of years) and NY will never be ready.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 8, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

DC_MAN88,

He can consider himself a shoot first point guard all he wants. I got no problem with that. But what I do have a problem with is not having a true point guard on the floor with him to handle the point for my Team.

And his name would not happen to be Ricky Rubio.

DC_MAN88, I'm gonna take your PIMP card.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

"DC_MAN88,

He can consider himself a shoot first point guard all he wants. I got no problem with that. But what I do have a problem with is not having a true point guard on the floor with him to handle the point for my Team.

And his name would not happen to be Ricky Rubio.

DC_MAN88, I'm gonna take your PIMP card.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse "

Put the pipe down.

I've said it once and I'll say it again.

Gilby will not give up the ball handling duties.

There are no 30 pt. scorers in the league who don't dominant the handling of the ball.

Gilby, win or lose, made his max money from shooting.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 8, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Gilby will not give up the ball handling duties.

There are no 30 pt. scorers in the league who don't dominant the handling of the ball.

Gilby, win or lose, made his max money from shooting.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 8, 2009 11:17 PM

Can anybody out there in blogging heaven tell DC_MAN88 that he is really describing a shooting guard and not a point guard.

He keeps coming back and validating what I've been sayin' that Gilbert Arenas is a shooting guard.

It does not matter that he ball hogs and wants the ball.

He is not a point guard.

Is Kobe? Was Michael? Is Dwade? Is Lebron?...They are all 2's and ball hogs.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

"Can anybody out there in blogging heaven tell DC_MAN88 that he is really describing a shooting guard and not a point guard.

He keeps coming back and validating what I've been sayin' that Gilbert Arenas is a shooting guard.

It does not matter that he ball hogs and wants the ball.

He is not a point guard.

Is Kobe? Was Michael? Is Dwade? Is Lebron?...They are all 2's and ball hogs.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse "

Get over your silly point.

It does not matter what you think...Gilby will continue to handle all the PG duties.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 8, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Ball hogs like Gilbert have to give up the ball for the benefit of the Team but what they don't do and cannot do is run the point guard play like Gilbert is being asked to do.

Michael and Kobe had to learn this lesson. What they are asking Gilbert to do is to manage the Team and to be the Star player that he really is.

That is two jobs people. I know times are bad, but that does not translate to the basketball floor.

Stop Playin'.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Get over your silly point.

It does not matter what you think...Gilby will continue to handle all the PG duties.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 8, 2009 11:41 PM

I truly beg to differ...for if he does this Team will not prosper.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

I missed game but I see Gil had 6 assists and Nash had 17. That is the statistical story. Dmac- 2 steals in 11 minutes. interesting that he got some PT.

Hope AJ's return can solidify things soon. We are digging a hole quickly.

BmoreRev

Posted by: stanlong23 | November 9, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

ANTWAN/MILLER...if this team is to even make it to the 6-8 spot in the east playoffs it will be because of those two names (not GA) antwan is a liability on defense but his leadership/basketball maturity and IQ is invaluable to a squad as immature as the wiz are...miller is a tough nosed savvy vet (even more so now that i see him up close on the wiz)...gil needs these kind of players on a team that he plays for...GA is not ready to "lead" a team to a level of respectability in the NBA...if the wiz are going to contend it will be jamison and miller leading the way...gil must assume more of a chauncey billups role in this offense...if he does not he will be a liability because his offense is just not there yet...once jamison and miller get back you will see a more consistent and professional effort from this team...until then it might not be a good idea for die hard wiz fan to watch this excuse-laden "wait to we get our boys back" JV squad...

Posted by: ronniecope106 | November 9, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

"And what you are seeing now in Gilbert, Rphilli721, is a player really trying to play a traditional point guard role which he is unsuited for.

Gilbert is a two guard and he has been one of the best in the League.

It dosen't matter who he has to guard especially if the point guard is a talented 6'5" Javaris Crit who can handle the ball for the Team.

It is just that simple.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 8, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse "

Are you and Javaris Crittenton related or something? You always mention how talented he is, eventhough is extremely mediocre.

Crittenton is not good enough to be a starting point guard in the NBA, even if he is playing alongside a dominant guard like Gilbert Arenas. He is not even a good back up point guard.

There is a reason why Ernie Grunfeld didn't pick up his option which will allow Crittenton to be an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season.

Posted by: SELAHSIXX | November 9, 2009 6:17 AM | Report abuse

it is not about being a PG or SG, he is an above average basketball player, he need to open his mind to what the coaching staff and his temate are saying. He has to move the ball, ultimately he might be the one to take the shoot.To me I saw better actions in the 19 games wining team than this team in the last 4 games.

Posted by: gtefferra | November 9, 2009 6:38 AM | Report abuse

Right now, Gil is the only one I see with playing with confidence and trying to win the games. He tries to take over scoring when no one else is trying to do anything. I think most of his turnovers come from legs not being as strong as they need to be.
I like Foye and actually think the offense should be more cattered to him. He has the skills strenth and atheletic ability to produce.
Blatch is improving and playing decent considering he scores a little plays D. and facilitates the offense a little, but he is not ready to give you 18 every night.

Everyone else looks a little scared to me. Before Mike Miller got hurt he was scared to shoot.
They need to ask Caron Butler if he still wants to play here. I thought he was an allstar? How does he get the green light to go isolation all the time and get a lot of turnovers but Nick Young gets scrutinized for the same thing. At least Nick Young will try to get to the rim when he gets a rhythm.

Bottom Line; I still think they are a little better, but sometimes I still see the same team that get scared to be aggresive at anything other than shooting contested jumpers.

Posted by: millineumman | November 9, 2009 7:40 AM | Report abuse

"They need to ask Caron Butler if he still wants to play here. I thought he was an allstar? How does he get the green light to go isolation all the time and get a lot of turnovers but Nick Young gets scrutinized for the same thing."

Did you notice Nick and Javale doing their littlee dance before the game? Also notice neither of them played one second.

Caron appears to care whether we win or lose, and take the game and the situations seriously. NY doesnt, and Flip will ice him out until he does.

Posted by: divi3 | November 9, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse

The Wiz have a bunch of players that play out of position. That's what Ernie want and Flip is confused as usual if he continues to think that Oberto and Stevenson should be playing. For those that dog Nick, McGee and McGuire keep hyping MeTwan and Butler. You can't improve and gain confidence with DNP or minimal minutes.

The Butler, Jamison dou played the majority of the minutes last year and produced 19 wins. Flip has never given young guys playing time. Blatche should be the starting PF even when Jamison return. Butler should be the 3 until Miller come back then Miller should start.

Posted by: rnbrown4 | November 9, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

No way on Earth that AB should start ahead of Antawn.

Oberto and Stevenson border on useless, gotta get Dom some serious PT. He was effective defensively in the little time he got yesterday. Gets back on D everytime, unlike the rest of the team that allows easy layups in transition.

At this point, Dom is a much better defender than DeBrick and doesnt lose us anything offensively in comparison. Play the kid Flip!

Posted by: divi3 | November 9, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

The Wizards again finished with more turnovers than assists against Phoenix, a disturbing trend that stands more as the symptom than the actual problem....Gilbert Arenas

Nash had 17 ast Wash had 15 ast?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 8, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

@ bulletsfan78,

I would have to agree with you 100%! Gilbert Arenas is bringing the ball up the court, and doing too much thinking instead of getting into some offensive play. It is as if he is waiting for an excuse to go one on one rather than just move the ball and trust he will get his points in the flow of the game.

When you hear players on the team saying "We have to trust our teammates" they are primarily speaking about Gil. None of the guys on the team what to run around the court simply to be a diversion to Gils offensive attempts to score. Gil must take note from Steve Nash and other great point guards, or move back to shooting guard.

Posted by: bazteal | November 9, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

"At least Nick Young will try to get to the rim when he gets a rhythm. "

No, actually he won't That's one of the biggest weaknesses in his game, his over reliance on that herky-jerky fadeaway of his.

Posted by: kalo_rama | November 9, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

So then what is Caron Butler waiting for???

Posted by: millineumman | November 9, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

WAS Wizs obviously have no PG and don't have a C.. and ... everything in-between looks like a Xhore house... a reflection of upstairs suits?
EG must be getting drunk a lot lately...and the others just waiting to see where the bodies will fall... must be fine place to work.

Posted by: member8 | November 9, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

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