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Wizards (3-7) at Thunder (6-6)

Wizards starters: Gilbert Arenas, Mike Miller, Caron Butler, Antawn Jamison, Brendan Haywood

Thunder: Russell Westbrook, Thabo Sefolosha, Kevin Durant, Jeff Green, Nenad Krstic

Line: Thunder by 4.

The Wizards are 0-for-Oklahoma City. They've never won at Ford Center, losing to the Thunder, 88-83, last season and twice against the New Orleans Hornets, who spent two seasons in Oklahoma following Hurricane Katrina. And, I know it doesn't count, but they also lost a preseason game against the Los Angeles Lakers here in 2005 in which Eddie Jordan was ejected.

Etan Thomas and Brendan Haywood certainly had their history together, but Haywood might want to give Thomas a hug for what he did this summer. Thomas was the only possible holdup on the Wizards' deal with Minnesota last June. By declaring that he wouldn't opt out of the final year of his contract, Thomas cleared the way for Mike Miller and Randy Foye to join the team. That never really was a concern -- especially since Thomas was due to receive a $1.2 million trade kicker -- but could you imagine what would've happened if Thomas nixed the deal? At the time of the trade, Thomas was the longest tenured Wizard with nearly 8 ½ years of service. With Thomas gone, that title now belongs to Haywood.

Coach Flip Saunders said he would give Fabricio Oberto another night of rest on his sore left hamstring, with the hopes that Oberto will available to guard Tim Duncan in San Antonio on Saturday.

The Wizards didn't have a morning shootaround in Oklahoma City on Friday. They also passed on the morning shoot before playing Cleveland, instead opting to arrive at the arena a few hours earlier to watch film and go over the scheme for the game. Several teams, including New York, Boston and Portland, have skipped selective morning shoots to allow their players more rest. Saunders said that is the reason for the change.

"I think rest is good," Saunders said. "I think it makes sense. Especially at home, because the more I'm around there, with the D.C. traffic and where these guys live. It would be different if our games were 7:30 or eight. Being a 7 o'clock game. By the time they get out of the locker room [after a morning shootaround], it might 12, 12:30. And by the time they get home it might be 1 or 1:15. And they got to leave in a couple of hours to come back, with the traffic. Sometimes, what you want to do with a team in late afternoon, it's fresher in your mind. Now, from that time on, they can start preparing for the game."

Saunders was asked if he's gotten more acclimated to D.C., especially after the team got to spend a rare full week in town. "I haven't learned it that much. I know Subway and Papa John's," Saunders joked.

Will somebody buy the man dinner? You guys got any suggestions for where Saunders can grab a bite in this town?

By Michael Lee  |  November 20, 2009; 7:50 PM ET
 
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Anybody have the website that shows nba games live??
If it ain't on CSN then we don't get it here in the country in rural Virginia.

Posted by: VBFan | November 20, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Those quacks on the Wiz medical staff need to shut Miller down. It's obvious that shoulder has not healed.

Posted by: and_1 | November 20, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Try flipping though the channels. It's on chan. 18 here, which is normally one of the cspan channels.

Posted by: gotbass | November 20, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Frustrating. Every time we get close there is a timeout and then they score 4/6 points straight.

They keep shooting like they are they will win. But, I doubt they will for an entire game.

McGee??? Seems like a good game for some mins. Haywood does not seem to be very effective in this game. Their athleticism is killing us on the boards. Haywood although big and somewhat athletic is not McGee in that regard.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 20, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Might be time for some small ball at some point tonight.

PG Arenas
SG Miller
SF Butler
PF Dom
C Jamison

Dom might be able to slow down Durant and/or Green. They are flying over/around Butler and Jamison.

Posted by: and_1 | November 20, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

The old Wizards are finally back!

They play no "D".

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 20, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait til we get rid of Butler. he is the weak link on our team

Posted by: Blurred | November 20, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

durn...I was just kidding and making fun of all the folks ragging on him yesterday, but then he makes three bad plays in a row...

Posted by: Blurred | November 20, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Thanks NBA Broadband. You decide that tonight you will show me no video of the game, but give me the choice of HOME -vs- AWAY for the radio coverage. Who is the dumb-sounding lughead doing color on WJFK?

Posted by: chinatown | November 20, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Wizards are a sad team. Caron and Gil shouldn't be mad at each other. They should be palin' around, reminiscing on the days when they could actually SHOOT A BASKETBALL.

Posted by: CDon | November 20, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Again, Butler with another untimely stupid turnover. It's getting ridiculous with him. Get within a point or two and leave it to Butler to make a boneheaded play.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 20, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz might have more run left in them. They better take advantage of it next time.

Posted by: and_1 | November 20, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

one more run

Posted by: and_1 | November 20, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Mark it down. 81-82 after an entire game of not being able to get over the hump. We got the ball and Butler commits his 4/5th turnover of the game. They go on a 9 point run. GAME OVER!

FS stubbornly sticking to a lineup that is playing ZERO defense. Guess Jamison is back! lmao As soon as he reminds of what we miss, we are reminded of what is not missed. I guess our defensive progress is officially halted.

FS you want to try some different lineups???? I get trying to build chemistry with the main guys, but this is ridiculous. Poor coaching this game.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 20, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Durant goes coast to coast with MeTawn riding him and then KD dunks while MeTawn can only watch.

Yes, nobody is surprised.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 20, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

"I'm an all star" a quote from Caron Butler.

If you could get voted to the all star team because you lead the league in turnovers you'd make it.
The turnovers are jut sickening!

Posted by: zxhoya | November 20, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Absurd. Absolutely absurd lineup to start the 4th. This one is over folks! Blatche at center???! C'mon. This game screams McGee getting 18 mins and he gets none. Worst coached game of the year by FS by far.

Blatche c
Jamison PF
Boykins PG
Foye SG
MM SM

You kidding me??? Can't believe how stupid that lineup is.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 20, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

OK has 99 points with over 9 minutes left. Geez.

Posted by: and_1 | November 20, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Eastern Conference Final rankings:

1) ATL
2) ORL
3) BOS
4) CLE
5) MIA
6) TOR
7) MIL
8) CHI
9) DET
10) IND
11) CHA
12) PHI
13) NY
14) WAS (4th highest payroll and worst franchise player in the league).
15) NJ

Blind followers, sorry to hurt your feelings but it's time you even realize how dysfunctional this team is.

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 20, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I thought FS was throwing in the towel with that lineup and then he puts Haywood and Arenas back in. Just plain stupid. McGee at center tonight would have gotten 4/5 blocks with all the drives in the paint.

They just suck tonight. What a pathetic display of coaching and execution. We can't execute our way out of a paper bag tonight.

Thanks Caron! You blew any chance of us winning this game. Idiot! All-star, yeah right. I hope you sit the entire 4th quarter.

I think FS was trying linueps to see how many points we could give up. MM sucked tonight yet no McGee, no Mc on Durant.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 20, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Not over yet, Wiz are making it interesting

Posted by: Crunkenstein | November 20, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Two rangy small forwards have taken turns killing us and no McGuire.
Score is now 111-100.
Expect a heavy dose of Durant and Green down the stretch.

Posted by: and_1 | November 20, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

GA can't finish a basket at the rim. He bats about .100 on his drives.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 20, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Boykins does a better job finishing at the rim. Why is MM in the game? He can't guard anyone this game, hasn't hit a shot. Just don't get it.

We should be renamed the Washington Force.

Never seen a team force so many jumpers and drives that aren't there.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 20, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Like I said 25 games.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 20, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Game.

Posted by: Crunkenstein | November 20, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Flip's afraid to play the young guys, plain and simple.

Posted by: and_1 | November 20, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Ha, Butler with another idiot drive, dunk attempt, layup attempt?? Don't know what that was.

Sorry guys. Haven't been this frustrated in a long time. FS gives the bench 1 MIN!!!

Just don't get it. They are beating us with athleticism like crazy and FS doesn't play our two most athletic players the whole game. Then he sticks them in the game with one min left. At that point, make your pathetic starters suck out one more minute. Not like they are getting any significant rest. This will go in the vault with all the EJ coaching duds.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 20, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Flip's afraid to play the young guys, plain and simple.

Posted by: and_1 | November 20, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse
__________________________________________
Young guns??? Who?? NY??

Posted by: Utilityman1 | November 20, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Michael,

You want to ask Flip about his rotation tonight? There is a time when a tight rotation is smart and times when it is just plain stubborn ignorance. The best question you can ask him besides the standards is why McGee with all his athleticism was not given any mins tonight to see if he could make guys think twice on those drives.

Jamison got abused. Butler got abused. Haywood did ok, but, again was not able to recover the way McGee could possibly. Blatche at center is unfair and dumb. Blatche with McGee hmmm.... What is Flip worried about with the younger guys? Could they play any dumber or with less execution that what we saw tonight?

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 20, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

our *big 3* are fool's gold. each is too small or too slow to play his natural position and each would be a role player on any other team. on top of that, butler is not all that bright. it's a losing combination.

Posted by: tgif11 | November 20, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey, there is one bright spot for all the DS haters. He had the best +- of any player with BH second. Miller was the worst as my eyes told me, yet he got an awful lot of mins.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 20, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Dear Michael Lee,

May I impose on you to ask the Wizards Head Coach if he has ever bothered to watch any video of Dominic McGuire's play last season?
And if he had, can he give an assessment of McGuire's defensive, rebounding and shot blocking capabilities and compare them to any of the players in the regular rotation?

As a follow up question, Is JaVale McGee in his dog house? And if not, can he explain, why JaVale doesn't play when your team's front court is being run over and jumped over by more athletic teams?

Final question. If this team has so much "depth", what are you saying to ther rest of this team when you continue to rely on a one armed shooting guard, to play extensive minutes?

Posted by: bozomoeman | November 20, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

"Not over yet, Wiz are making it interesting

Posted by: Crunkenstein | November 20, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse "

Out with the old, in with the young and new.

Where are the giddy people praising the return of MeTawn as the savior?

Tonight, Les BouleS were at full strength, but what happened?

Les BouleS can beat an unathletic Cavs team (except for LeBron) that couldn't hit shots and was missing two key people, but had no chance against a young team that was playing above the rim and hitting long bombs.

Les BouleS stats actually don't look bad...bu they still got blown out.

What's the excuse now?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 20, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

@tgif,

Nothing new there, but it has worked before. Now it looks pretty bad. I thought Butler lost 10+ pounds and was quicker?! To me he looks slower and dumber...lol. Do you lose brain cells along with weight?

One problem this team definitely has to address is the turnovers. I guess that goes along with the execution of a new system, but we got 3 turnover machines on this team right now - Arenas, Butler, and Boykins. I can give Boykins a pass for now.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 20, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

MILLER needs a month to heal up. Problem is WIZ are dead without him, and FS knows it. Playing is going to cause more damage in that shoulder, and what we will get is tonight's MM not the one who played before the first HEAT game.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 20, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm dumbfounded that this team as managed to look just as bad as it did last year.

I think I'm having a Buckhantz moment. "NO..NOT POSSIBLE!!"

Posted by: bozomoeman | November 20, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

What ails the team, you ask? Young men with millions in the bank (well, D-Mac maybe 1 mill) and an owner who does not require accountability.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 20, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

"MILLER needs a month to heal up. Problem is WIZ are dead without him, and FS knows it. Playing is going to cause more damage in that shoulder, and what we will get is tonight's MM not the one who played before the first HEAT game.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 20, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse "

This was the same Eminem that played against the Cavs.

Injuries don't get better during the season.

Suck it up.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 20, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Anybody have the website that shows nba games live??
If it ain't on CSN then we don't get it here in the country in rural Virginia.


Posted by: VBFan | November 20, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm with ya VB. I live in VB (Pembroke area, down the street from Town Center -- moved here from Wheaton three years ago) and have had FIOS for a year now. A couple of years ago I could get CSN2 with Cox, but Cox lost CSN2 last year, I believe. At least we can hear the games on the web. Tonight's game was horrible to listen to. I can't imagine what it was like to watch it.

Posted by: bpybay | November 20, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

McGee should be the only one out of NY and DMac who should be seeing at least 10 mins a game. Okl. and Atl have greyhounds on their team and McGee can matchup pretty well with them in spurts.

I understand why NY is not playing. DMac is just caught up in a numbers game because he has no offense. But there is no reason why McGee should not be seeing at least 10 to 15 mins. a game.

I love Mike Miller's game and his grit but he needs to stop and maybe sit down 5 games to get that shoulder right. We are going to need him later in the year.

Posted by: BulletsFever | November 20, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

@bozomoeman,

Exactly. Against SA Spurs the "regular" rotation will probably be just fine, but in a game like this when we are getting run over and jumped over as you put it, you got to at least give those guys a shot. McGee for sure.

And, great point on Miller too. If he was gutting it out and getting buckets and making key playes as he has well then ok.... but, he was getting toasted on offense and defense with his one arm and playing key mins. Just terrible coaching.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 20, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

A real stinker tonight!!

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 20, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

I love Mike Miller's game and his grit but he needs to stop and maybe sit down 5 games to get that shoulder right. We are going to need him later in the year.

Posted by: BulletsFever | November 20, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

I've been making that point since he came back. I bet we lose him for the season at some point. It's called Wiz History 101 and nobody in management seems to be paying attention.

Posted by: bpybay | November 20, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Good news for Les BouleS.

I think Manu is not playing tomorrow.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 20, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

MM should not be playing and there must be something wrong with the training staff to let him. DC-Man88- you are such a f-in punk. You make me sick every time I read anything you write. You are so full of hate it's disturbing.

Posted by: jistutz | November 20, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Jamison got abused. Butler got abused. Haywood did ok, but, again was not able to recover the way McGee could possibly. Blatche at center is unfair and dumb. Blatche with McGee hmmm.... What is Flip worried about with the younger guys? Could they play any dumber or with less execution that what we saw tonight?

Posted by: rphilli721

Agree. Flip's trying the same things against athletic teams and hoping for a different result, which of course is the definition of insanity. Lots of mental mistakes by our veterans and they continue to play. Give the young pups (McGee and McGuire) some burn, especially when they have capabilities in the very area that were lacking tonight. The Wiz have serious problems against teams with abundant athleticism.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 20, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

"MM should not be playing and there must be something wrong with the training staff to let him. DC-Man88- you are such a f-in punk. You make me sick every time I read anything you write. You are so full of hate it's disturbing.

Posted by: jistutz | November 20, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse "

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

{LOL! I had to reuse this cliche}

BTW, I'm not full of hate, just full of truth.

You be full of excuses....stupid cumbucket.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 20, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

I hope Miller is smart enough to get a second opinion on that shoulder. This was supposed to be a ten-day kinda thing and it's lingering.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 20, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

19 ast's and 20 to's = loss

Where are all of the people who claimed the Wizards were back after the Cav's game?

I tried to warn everybody that a team like the Wizards who have 4 starters (gil pg, mm sg, cb sf, and aj pf) that do not know how or are incapable of playing their positions can not win in this league.

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 20, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

"Agree. Flip's trying the same things against athletic teams and hoping for a different result, which of course is the definition of insanity. Lots of mental mistakes by our veterans and they continue to play. Give the young pups (McGee and McGuire) some burn, especially when they have capabilities in the very area that were lacking tonight. The Wiz have serious problems against teams with abundant athleticism.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 20, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse "


Clearly you don't understand the dynamics of a team.

If you bench the vets and play the pups, you risk alienating and embarrassing these sorry vets.

Giving more "burn" to the unproven pups is basically waiving a flag and signaling that you have given up on the season.

Giving JaTravel any consistent burn would be like putting a gun to your head b/c he can't score unless it's a dunk, and he's not dunking every time he gets down the court. He's got zero moves.

Same goes for DMac.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 20, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

I was impressed by how a young OKC kept fighting off runs by a veteran opponent. The Wizards must have pulled within 2 points 4 times in the game, but OKC kept fighting them back and increasing the deficit in the 10-11 point range. The Wizards didn't have much of a margin of error in that one, and OKC did a good job of exploiting mistakes by the Wizards. It would have been interesting to see how the Boykins-Stevenson-Butler-Miller-Blatche rotation would have worked out tonight in the early 4th quarter -- especially after working its magic against the Cavs. Onto San Antonio.

Posted by: JPRS | November 20, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

A very conspicuous stat in looking at the boxscore was that Brendan played 36 minutes and had a +/- of ZERO. That means the Wiz were a -19 in the 12 minutes that he was not in the game. Very interesting.

Posted by: bpybay | November 20, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

"I hope Miller is smart enough to get a second opinion on that shoulder. This was supposed to be a ten-day kinda thing and it's lingering.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 20, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse "

Really?

So how did he do so well against the Cavs?

Eminem took 4 shots in the game, while everyone else took more than their fair share. The problems were many, and they include a much more athletic opponent, lack of fast break defense, and lack of ownership/responsibility of the highest paid players.

Every starter shot over 50% except for Gilby, who shot 35%, with 25% from three.

Gilby is very ordinary now. He can't hit 3's, he can't finish strong, and the so called "Agent Zero/Hibachi" comeback is bullsh!t at best.

MeTawn got torched by KD.

Again, another instance of Metawn getting his stats (22-12), but still losing because he can't play D to save his life and has .

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 20, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Ummm, did you watch the game? Scoring was not an issue. We needed some athletes to play defense and rebound and block shots. Are you that obtuse? What is embarrassing and alienating is not playing a couple of players who are sitting on the bench and probably thinking - "I could help this team tonight." The vets did a good enough job of embarrassing themselves.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 20, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Can somebody get EG on the horn and tell him to do everyone a favor and quit?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 20, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

DC,

You're going too far with my comments. I'm not calling for anyone to be benched. The young guys had the potenial to provide what we were missing tonight: frontcourt quickness. Of course, the downside is that they might screw up and make things worse. Understood. But when you're giving up points the way we were, there was little downside to giving those two guys minutes, IMO.
Tell them exactly why you're putting them in the game and give them a chance to deliver and help the "team".

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 20, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

A very conspicuous stat in looking at the boxscore was that Brendan played 36 minutes and had a +/- of ZERO. That means the Wiz were a -19 in the 12 minutes that he was not in the game. Very interesting.

Posted by: bpybay | November 20, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse
_____

Yeah, all the more reason that while he was out of the game a true center named JaVale McGee should have been in the game. Not a PF/SF playing center just bc he is fairly tall.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 20, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

I hope Miller is smart enough to get a second opinion on that shoulder. This was supposed to be a ten-day kinda thing and it's lingering.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 20, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse "

Really?

So how did he do so well against the Cavs?

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 20, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Mike took a nasty spill late in the 4th against Cavs, and it was obvious to anyone who was watching that he reinjured himself. Everyone, that is, except the trainers. Even Hubie remarked about he was hanging his shoulder and that "they need to get him outta there."

Posted by: bpybay | November 20, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

"You're going too far with my comments. I'm not calling for anyone to be benched. The young guys had the potenial to provide what we were missing tonight: frontcourt quickness. Of course, the downside is that they might screw up and make things worse. Understood. But when you're giving up points the way we were, there was little downside to giving those two guys minutes, IMO.
Tell them exactly why you're putting them in the game and give them a chance to deliver and help the "team".

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 20, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse "

Unfortunately, both JaTravel and DMac have zero offensive ability, and clearly Flip Flop doesn't trust NY beyond him tying his own shoe laces.

If Flip Flop goes to the bench...that would clearly show that he is in panic mode.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 20, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

A few thoughts:

Brendan Haywood should never, ever get the ball when the team trying to come back 12 with a couple minutes left.

It was great to see The Poet again... in another uniform.

Let Mike Miller heal before he's out for the season.

Arenas needs to stop complaining when he doesn't get fouls called on his drives, man up, and run back down the court and play some D. Truth is, he doesn't have the full step and four-inch vertical leap advantage he used to have, which used to force opposing players to foul. He has also lost the star status that once made those calls automatic. Deal with it and get back on D.

Some scattered effort tonight, but the team was physically overmatched. Our depth is better than in seasons past, but we have lost youth, speed and explosiveness among the Big Three, while Grunfeld-Jordan-Taps-Saunders' collective fetish for vets over youth has left our team suddenly a bit slow, and our youth too inexperienced to step up. Mcghee, for at least 20 minutes, would have been a nice chess move against that team (and others such as Atlanta that physically outmatch us). It might be the rare case where the team would also benefit from some spot duty from NY and Mcguire before the last 1:20.

Posted by: SammyT1 | November 20, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

"Mike took a nasty spill late in the 4th against Cavs, and it was obvious to anyone who was watching that he reinjured himself. Everyone, that is, except the trainers. Even Hubie remarked about he was hanging his shoulder and that "they need to get him outta there."

Posted by: bpybay | November 20, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse "

If Eminem is hurt and can't play, he should sit his butt down.

Hubie also said that MeTawn and the rest of the ballhoggers need to pass the ball to BTH to thank him for his hustle on D. Didn't see any of that in the Cavs game.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 20, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Really?

So how did he do so well against the Cavs?

Posted by: DC_MAN88

I'm talking about TONIGHT'S game. He went to lockerroom in the 2d Q, I believe, after somehow re-aggravating it.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 20, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

"Mcghee, for at least 20 minutes, would have been a nice chess move against that team (and others such as Atlanta that physically outmatch us). It might be the rare case where the team would also benefit from some spot duty from NY and Mcguire before the last 1:20.

Posted by: SammyT1 | November 20, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse "

So if you put JaTravel in the game, then what is the rest of the lineup?

JaTravel would replace BTH, but BTH was actually playing well and is the anchor of the defense. You don't sub JaTravel for BTH.

So, you sub him for MeTawn? Doubt that.

AB is already hurting for PT with MeTawn back, and AB was actually doing well. He's like a diesel...needs consistent PT to get going.

Funny, Oberto was declared by EG as the key piece, and he hasn't played/produced squat lately.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 20, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Giving JaTravel any consistent burn would be like putting a gun to your head b/c he can't score unless it's a dunk, and he's not dunking every time he gets down the court. He's got zero moves.

Same goes for DMac.

Posted by: DC_MAN88

I have some breaking news for you. Brendan's offensively limited, too.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 20, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

I am mad as hell. This Team can play better. Miller should be sitting so his shoulder can heal. The Thunder took pity on him. They did not need to really exploit him to win.

I still think Flip is going to get the job done but I am getting kind of sick of his traditional approach to the game.

I can tell from the comments above that others are pissed as well.

I don't like this cerebral game strategy that Flip is having Arenas run. Arenas has got to push the game more and shoot more.

Our fast break game sucks and we should be good at fast breaking. Athletic teams make us look bad, not because we aren't, but because we are really playing slow.

I never wanted to go here, but Flip might be to old and afraid to let it all hang out.

One thing is very disturbing to me. Javale McGee.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | November 20, 2009 11:59 PM | Report abuse

"I have some breaking news for you. Brendan's offensively limited, too.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 20, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse"

And still BTH manages a double double this season so far and can actually hold his position on D...go figure.

If you're even implying that JaTravel could replace BTH at the 5 as a starter, then you and EJ are joined at the head.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 21, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

And still BTH manages a double double this season so far and can actually hold his position on D...go figure.

If you're even implying that JaTravel could replace BTH at the 5 as a starter, then you and EJ are joined at the head.

Posted by: DC_MAN88

Use some logic for once. I said Flip should have played McGee tonight to try to counter OK's athleticism. Nobody's talking about McGee starting. Except you.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 21, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

"Use some logic for once. I said Flip should have played McGee tonight to try to counter OK's athleticism. Nobody's talking about McGee starting. Except you.

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 21, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse "

If you call your thinking logic, then you don't know what logic is.

Les BouleS got steamrolled tonight b/c the starters, except for BTH, couldn't play D as expected.

JaTravel is only good for a few blocks, a lot of PF's, and a lack of offensive threat.

Posted by: DC_MAN88 | November 21, 2009 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Interesting note from the box score: The only Wizard starter to not shoot 50 percent or better (Arenas) took the most shots (20).

Posted by: Cerealman | November 21, 2009 12:50 AM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone in their right mind believed the Wizards were really going to play better "D" this year.

Did you?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 21, 2009 12:55 AM | Report abuse

"We play teams like this and we tend to play the way they play," Durant said. "We got away from some of our defensive concepts tonight."

So did Washington, which had 20 turnovers to go with a poor defensive showing, something Coach Flip Saunders didn't like.

"They had 25 points off our turnovers," Saunders said. "We didn't defend. The one thing we've learned as a team is we have not evolved to be a total team. We are not able to grasp everything."

Posted by: ArmChairQB | November 21, 2009 1:13 AM | Report abuse

"Mentally, we just broke down today. And they just took advantage of it," said Arenas, who finished with 23 points and eight assists.


"It's one of those things that's going to keep lingering and hopefully, it's going to go away sooner than later," Miller said. "Right now, its something that I got to deal with. The doctors said there isn't a chance for it to get worse structurally so it's going be really painful. Right now, I can bear it, so I'm going to play. It's not an excuse."


Part 1, Arenas continues his excuses and whining. Part 2, Miller at least mans up.

When is Arenas going to quit blaming the new offense or whatever else. He needs to say - "I got to play better. I've been playing poorly and in order for this team to excel I got to play better."

This season is not over by any means as December is a very easy month schedule wise. But, with Butler and Arenas playing like this, it could be a long season. It's like we've gotten old and slow over night and we are not even that old. The Celtics are looking ancient as well, but they are.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 21, 2009 1:16 AM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone in their right mind believed the Wizards were really going to play better "D" this year.

Did you?

Posted by: bulletsfan78 | November 21, 2009 12:55 AM | Report abuse
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Except that they are currently 12th defensively after tonight's game and 24th offensively. They were 8th.

So, they have played better defensively. Tonight, not so much.

Posted by: rphilli721 | November 21, 2009 1:25 AM | Report abuse

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